Message of the gospel of Thomas is simple to understand: The kingdom of heaven is within. The light of love and truth is within. You must bring that forth in the world to have eternal love and peace.Be the change you want to see in the world.Ghandi understood this. There is nothing esoteric about this if your in touch with intuitive wisdom. church fathers say that salvation is through belief in resurrection.... and that they were the go between. You dont need the church, if the temple is within
I think back then the average person couldn't write and that most of the scriptures were written between 40 and 300 AD by scholars. (I heard that somewhere)
Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go forth from among us, for women are not worthy of the life. Jesus said: Behold, I shall lead her, that I may make her male, in order that she also may become a living spirit like you males. For every woman who makes herself male shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I’ve thought of the vs 29 of the Gospel of Thomas as special; in the 1st part, about the flesh coming about because of the spirit, is the traditional Adam and Eve scenario where the supreme being has bestowed life ('a marvel'); but in the 2nd part, I see the flesh as having been created without a spirit, as a hybrid by other humanoid beings, but then, as a 'marvel of marvels', the spirit is bestowed upon this creation by the supreme being, even tho this creation is 'in poverty' (not deserving).
Jesus died to send the Holy ghost. the old covenant was called the ministration of death and condemnation, it was done away, abolished, and fulfilled. now men have taken the same law that killed Jesus and they call it by his name. king James was born 6, 1566,6th of scotland, he authorized 66 books and called them the word of God. Jesus is the word of God. THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST
Regardless of date, the Gospel of Thomas does show a much more kind and caring Jesus than the first four Gospels show, and one who tells us how important it is to use our HEADS and not just our 'hearts' (the feeling/emotional/spiritual ones) to interpret Scripture. Nothing in it wholly contradicts other Gospels, and it adds in a lot of missing pieces Christianity should have if Christians really want to prove that they're not brainwashed by their clergy.
The Gospel of Thomas is succour for enlightened souls only. Thus, it can only be understood by anyone who has been touched by God or been genuinely Baptised by the Holy Spirit, as Jesus was. There is no place in any church in the whole world for christs or true gnostics, least of all Christianity. Thomas' teachings in India were erased by RC in 16th cent. But India is the only place in the world where paintings of baby Jesus include his physical father Joseph, as the virgin birth is untrue.
@turtle4aire That's just stupid. The Gospel of Thomas is real. I know it goes against everything you've been taught but you're going to have to just deal with it.
Gosphel of Thomas was written around the year 200 A.D. and suppose to be written by Thomas and Thomas would be over 200+ yrs. old at the time when he wrote it ! It is a Joke to say Thomas wrote it when he would have to be 200+ yrs. Old at the writting at the time !
As you say Thomas could be older than any of the other gosphel. I could have wings and fly,but really i can't ! If i can fly, Thomas could be older than any of the others ! I can't fly, so Thomas was not older than any Ones.
I think they say that the physical document that has survived was written at 200 AD. This 200 AD doc is a copy/translation of an older document, which we *don't* have, the *original* gospel of Thomas.
I think they say that the physical document we hold today was written at 200 AD. This 200 AD doc is a copy/translation of an older document, which we *don't* have, the *original* gospel of Thomas. Remember, they didn't have printing presses.
@turtle4aire What's more funny is that someone would bother to entertain an argument against Thomas being 200+ years old. It's obvious to anyone involved with the gospel's distribution that Thomas isn't that old. It's common knowledge that the authorship of many of these gospels are meant for a kind of rhetoric, or spiritual meaning.
And neither are the synoptic gospels written by the apostles themselves. They too have been written by people who have put the name of a famous apostle on their gospel to give it more credibility.
Also, the gospel of thomas is a mixture of sayings attributed to Jesus from different sources. There are fragments that are indeed from 200 AD, but also fragments that are dated much earlier than the synoptic gospels by a lot of scholars.
@turtle4aire Some things are true weather you believe it or not but saying it was created in 200AD is simply not true. The current believe is that it was written between 50 - 150 AD and scientists are leaning toward 50 AD. The same scientists who dated the 4 gospels. The TRUTH is that it was not included in the Bible because it suggests that clergy was not needed. No priests, no church, no pope so Constantine left it out.
he who understands these words will never know death.... i heard that quote and i think it came from this gospel.. intresting.. now if theres a way to figure out its meaning.. who wouldnt want to live forever and never experience death.
I'd like to point out that the reason the church rejected this gospel is not so much that it made only people in the know worthy of salvation, but because it cuts through the power structure of the church. Gnosis is direct and personal, with no need of churches or any other sort of intermediary.
@albertsneijMD The Gosphel of Thomas is a Gnostic Gosphel and makes it being written around 200 A.D. . None of the Gnostic Gosphets are any older than the year 150 A. D. .The Gosphels of Mary, Thomas, and Judas are Gosphels written after the year 150 A.D. for sure. They would be pushing 150 yrs. old to have written them. Yes, none of the Prophets lived over 100 yrs. of age ! John live to close to 100 but not over it ! if any of them live over 150 yrs. the Gnostic Gosphets could be true !
@albertsneijMD ...remember Egypt before the Romans had been conquered by the Greeks (Alexander the Great, founder of many Alexandria cities in Egypt, etc) and therefore they spoke a version of Greek, not the same as of Greece, but close to it. This is what that is.
@albertsneijMD the coptics did hange their letters to greek for 2000 years ago, their letters are quite different from the greek, ut they almost look the same....
they pronounce them different and have other letters than the greek!
@albertsneijMD In Nat Geo's "Jesus, the man behind the myth" it is said that it is Coptic writen in Greek characters.... (Just passing on, I have no way of knowing is this is true.)
1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...
1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...
1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...
1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...
1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...
@oztronix Rubbish! It's extant in Coptic but most scholars view it to be a translation from an original Greek copy. Coptic however is an Afro-Asiatic Egyptian language, spoken in Egypt around the first century up to about the seventh or eighth when Arabic too over.
@oztronix Rubbish! It's extant in Coptic but most scholars view it to be a translation from an original Greek copy. Coptic however is an Afro-Asiatic Egyptian language, spoken in Egypt around the first century up to about the seventh or eighth when Arabic took over.
a false christ appeals to the human nature rather than jesus as he was truthfully, the thrill of finding out some secret, or knowing something special that others might not understand entices a man to believe anything, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. salvation has no secret, eternal life is given freely to any man that believes in the resurrection of our lord jesus christ and his sacrifice in our place.i pray that satan loses his grip of confusion and obsession on you.
@northernpike56 the Roman empire created the Bible to fit it's own agenda...in the 3rd century Roman Emperor Constantine hand-picked which gospels would most likely encourage followers and rule the people...Constantine had full awareness of other gospels but chose to pick only gospels that best suited his cause (Mathew ,Mark, Luke,and John).
Sad, but even the Bible fell victim to personal best interests and corruption.
@col1n1234 The Holy Trinity of WHAT??? God then other God then other God...This is a NOT Holiness or what Jesus believed this is a PAGANISM. God bless you...
@col1n1234 simple explanation: to whom jesus prayed??? to trinity,,,to holy spirit or ghost and holy son of God OR JUST to the only ONE God... I known Bible upside down if you find information that Jesus p.u.h pray to trinity or said anything about holy son of God and holy spirit I will kill myself OK...God bless you...
Jesus Prayed to his Father (GOD ), Then when he was killed on the torcher stake, he ascended into Heaven and now sit's at GOD'S right hand. This make's Three, The Father , The Son, The Holy Spirit. Together as ONE .
@col1n1234 1st Jesus p.u.h was not killed on cross.2nd 1+1=1???I don’t think so.3rd yes Jesus pray to OUR FATHER not only Jesus Father probably you forget pray “OUR Father(not Jesus father) Who is in heaven, Holy is Your Name(not Jesus name) Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven(God power not Jesus) Give US this day our daily bread, and forgive US our sins, as we forgive those who sin against US and lead US not into temptation, but deliver US from evil. Amen.
@XBAGREMX john 10:30 "i and the father are one", jesus also talks about the spirit of the lord descending like a dove on him when he is baptised, and he talks about the comforter coming after him, thats the holy spirit. so there you go, jesus father god, and the holy spirit. but knowing these things doesn't make you want to die my friend, but it brings life, you already have everything backwards in your mind, be set free.
@Terrybob123 Let start from beginning you bible said that Jesus p.u.h died on cross so basically we don’t have GOD for period of 2000 years who control universe and life on earth…answer me how is the possible to kill GOD???John 14:28 My Father is greater than I. John 20:17 I ascend unto my Father, and your Father and to my God, and your God. I waiting for answer…God bless you.
@XBAGREMX if you want to quote john read chapter 1, in the beggining was the word and the word was god and the word was with god, the word became manifest in the flesh as jesus, jesus existed before he was born, he was just born into a man's flesh thats all, when he talks about being ascended to glory, he prays for god to restore his former glory, as in before to be the same as he was before he was born in a man's body read john chapter one.
@Terrybob123 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???DID YOU EVER READ BIBLE??? Gesesis chapter 1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the waters.Chapter 26 Then God said “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness(ADAM NO FATHER NO MOTHER)so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky"(NOT RULE OVER THE GOD) there was NOT JESUS.
@XBAGREMX Purely metaphor, never concretize the Bible! It blends in beautifully with all other religions bringing all mankind together under one consciousness instead of war on the infedel, gentile etc. Just release the ego, read the bible as metaphor, of the chaos that is going on within each individual being. Find the Christ-Consciousness within and embrace it, find the evil of ego-satin and release it.
@XBAGREMX wow man, what do you think it means when he says "US* the godhead jesus the father and the holy spirit thats the us, thats why it says us. jesus is god, the flesh of god, just like we have our body mind and spirit, god obviously also has seperate parts since we are made in his image. use common sense brother, the gospel of thomas is nothing but a book of lies inspired by satan, just like the book of mormon, and the Quran, and the book of enoch(which makes you believe ufos are alien)
@XBAGREMX god wrote it in his word. unlike muhhamad's book of lies and death and sexual immorallity and power crazy ways of leading people, sheria law is the law of satan. Isa is NOT JESUS. your prophet is your god, not the lord god of israel, the one true god, muhhamaad did not see gabrielle he saw satan in disguise, and if you don't realize the evil in his teachings, then you will not find jesus christ, the only one who can save, the only one who can bring peace to you, and comfort. be wise
@XBAGREMX i've studied it some yes, and i know enough to discern the differenc ebetween the truth and a lie. but my brother, lets not argue and fight over small things, the lord jesus works in his own time and will. let us be good hearted in knowing that we hold the name of jesus highly. at least you know of him, many many people never get a chance to even hear his name, god bless my friend, and i hope the lord finds you worthy when the day comes to be redeemed.
@XBAGREMX but the quran says that the way jesus is talked about in the bible is a lie, and that jesus of the quran is the real jesus, but thats not right, if you believe in the quran's version of jesus, then you believe the same as the world. it's all the same.
@Terrybob123 Your bible disrespect Jesus p.u.h(his name is not Jesus do your home work and find real Jesus name) punish him and put him on cross and killed him so your bible in fact killed the GOD(because you call Jesus p.u.h a GOD who never claim to be a God),,,,In Quran Allah resurrect him and take him to haven …That is a huge differences.
@XBAGREMX jesus' real name is yeshua in hebrew, we jsut pronounce it different because of the different tounues, different sounds. i know jesus' real name my friend, but jesus was not killed, he gave his life, he did it himself, and suffered for us brother.. the flesh and blood son of god could have caused all thsoe men to fall to death just by saying it, he was not being forced to die, he gave himself as a sacrifice, so he could die in our place, for our wrong doing. he was ressurected.
@Terrybob123 Jesus was not killed, he gave his life ???I don’t understand what are you talking about??? if I telling you that John hang himself on tree what would be your first reaction??? you call Jesus p.u.h a GOD and he died on cross and resurrected so where his gone??? Finally according to Christians you can kill and do whatever you like no problems because we have a Jesus he sacrifices himself for our sin??? so easily if you kill someone you can blame Jesus in court...
@XBAGREMX john the baptist didn't get hanged he got his head choppe doff because of a prideful king. he is not a god, he is the god, just in the body of a man, god can do anything, if he wants to be in the flesh with us he can be. and being saved is NOT a free pass to sin, and do what ever you want, jesus said if you love me follow my commandments. it means your heart changes, to where you do less evil, and the evil thast you do as a human naturally because of our corruptness is forgiven.
@Terrybob123 Witch commandments from whom??? FROM OUR FATHER WHO IS IN HAVEN…human being including Adam, Abraham, Mosses, Jesus, Mohamed is just spot of sand in desert…our galaxy is spot of sand in universe,,, universe is spot of sand compare to the GOD…GOD doesn’t need small human who eat GOD food do poo etc to be a GOD…think about that...
@XBAGREMX what if what your referring to as god is just the collective soul and we all become part of this collective soul in death. I'd care about that small human who now lives and is making the same mistakes i made as a human being. maybe god is the being who created life and Jesus is one of many who are sent to earth to preach that we need to relies there is more to life then what we know and we are all sleeping souls.
@Terrybob123 God is the English name given to a SINGULAR being in theistic and deistic religions.Swinburne, R.G. "God" in Honderich, Ted. (ed)The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, Oxford University Press, 1995. JESUS P.U.H IS NOT A GOD...
@Terrybob123 Is that you're way of trying to bring someone to Jesus? Insult his beliefs? "A tree is known by its fruit… Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things" (Matthew 12:33-35).
Gnostics are the seekers of His Word. In Jesus, we have One Fold, Church of God and One Shepherd, Christ Jesus. Then why we have so many divisions in the name of Christ Jesus? What position Peter holds in the Fold? Jesus told us that in My Father's House, there are many Mansions. So, where is the Mansion of Peter placed in the Fold, our Father's House? Could you accept Mammon while serving God? Where would you put these hireling Dog-Collared Priests in Churches? God or Satan?
THOMAS: Whosoever finds the interpretation of these sayings
shall never taste death......John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God...John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
I can find similarities from the bible to writing of thomas...THOMAS: These are the secret words which Jesus the living one spoke ... 1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery... Romans 16:25 the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began... Ephesians 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ........
Has anyone noticed how the end of this line of thought is "Your knowledge and understanding will save you"? No need for Christ other than his hidden knowledge?
I can understand how the typical person would be turned on to this. A satanic line of thought.
Like the Tree of Good and Bad in the Garden of Eden ?
The Apostle Thomas, wanted to see the wounds on Jesus Christ human body, so had no doubt, he moved to North west India and built a Church, this Church still stands, unless this is also misleading,
I know Jesus sit's at God's Right Hand, And I read as much as I can to try and build a picture of His teaching and how we could be saved from Satan.
I Believe.
To live as Jesus Christ did I find hard in these times,
Is it not possible that Jesus came to make you realize your own divinity? Didn't he say if you had even a little faith of the size of a mustard seed, you would move mountains!? Your mind sounds more like a typical person who is tuned to your own limitations.
Is it not possible that Jesus came to make you realize your own divinity? Didn't he say if you had even a little faith of the size of a mustard seed, you would move mountains!? Your mind sounds more like a typical person who is tuned to your own limitations.
Is it not possible that Jesus came to make you realize your own divinity? Didn't he say if you had even a little faith of the size of a mustard seed, you would move mountains!? Your mind sounds more like a typical person who is tuned to your own limitations.
You must bring forth that which is within you--your perfection that has existed since beginningless--in the image of "god."
@TheTransme Indeed. I am divine. Created in the image of God.
However, we have been currupted by sin. Our birthright stolen away. To see perfection, one must look to Christ Jesus and His victory that only He could win. If a mountain moves, it is not by me it moves, but by the power of God.
We must repent of sin and strive to be like Him. In myself, by myself, there is only weakness and death. Thank you Christ Jesus for forgiveness and grace. Amen.
@MaxSafeheaD You believe it is arrogance to accept this book and throw away the rest it conflicts with, or just my understanding of it's contents? You called me arrogant in the midst of your own.
Believe what you will and call me what you feel. If God don't agree with Himself, how can you agree with anything He said?
Sorry to be harsh, I was already pissed off by something else.
There are numerous contradictions between the biblical gospels and you still consider them holy, yet testimony from another of Jesus' own disciples you consider to be satanic.
You seem to forget the bible was compiled hundreds of years after christianity had began.
@MaxSafeheaD The Bible contradicts and this book is true? The author is Thomas? I disagree. People will see and hear what they want. Your welcome to your view. All a person can hope for is that God will open eyes and ears.
I would expect contradictions. After all Gospels are testimony by followers of Jesus' disciples - the bible was not written by Jesus directly. As you say people believe what they want and I understand that it's probably too painful for most christians to even contemplate there are no 100% accurate or complete records from the early church.
I'm not bothered either way to be honest, there's nothing obviously holy about any of these books IMO.
traditional religion then and now controlled the type of information that suited the leaders agendas only giving teachings that they wanted their following to know and never to be questioned...whereas the gnostic teachings were probably secretive or two reasons...1. to allow their followers to go within and find their own enlightenment or 2. to stay alive since the powers at be would kill anyone that was different...
I like this very much. Hopefully one day the true dating of this gospel will be found.The fact that its opposite and disregarded by the OrthodoxChristians, speaks volumes in itself.I just listened to the full translation of the gospel and it felt better to hear this.If this IS one of THE true accts of what Jesus said,then Christianity should embrace this,not fear it.No matter how you slice up religion and faith in whatever form,its all under the umbrella of the personal relationship to the lord.
btw, my belief lies within me and nor do i favor one religion over another and nor do i believe anyone faith is correct. Im more for Philosophy and what every faith has to offer. The question of God predates christianity. Therefore, don't let my statements be interpreted as favoring one side or another. I respect all faiths and their philosophy to life. No one has it right yet who is to say anyone of them is wrong? Live virtuous and with love and one can only ascend.
That anyone would consider the Gospel of Thomas authentic is a disturbing look into power of esoteric nonsense to captivate the minds of the brilliant.
@fgsltwhghobstwbihsnp The apostles only endorsed Matthew Mark Luke and John. They did not endorse Gnosticism. Gnosticism was an entirely different religion.
Speculating that the Gospel of Thomas is "likely older" than the canonical gospels, particularly the synoptics, based on the idea that there is no biographical framework, is really feigned logic, because biographical writings were very popular during the early-to-mid first century. The exclusive and "secret" sayings of Jesus as a format is quite unusual - hence the lack of other documents of this form.
@Overbeek1991 Why do you assume the canonical gospels are automatically the oldest or the most accurate when the reason why they were chosen had nothing to do with such info? The bible as we know it; was put together by a meeting initiated by Emperor Constantine known as the Council of Nicea. The books that ended up making it in the bible were specifically chosen for political reasons, not out of any honest scholarly effort to find out what is authentic.
@rehzon The nag hammadi texts are real and proved to be so. the religion of christianity itself was prtactised secretly fearing roman persecution. thanks col1n1234
@rehzon Elaine Pagels (Prof of Religion at Princeton) and other theologians regard John as a response to Thomas which would place the Gospel in the first century. Stevan Davies believes that Thomas might PREDATE the canonical Gospels because it is just a series of sayings of Jesus without the biographical padding that appears in the canonicals. Many theologians believe this is how the teachings of Jesus were first transmitted.
@rehzon You sound like an expert and I'm curious to know which of the two Nativity stories is fake - they differ so much they can't both be true/real?
ahh but "God"contradicts himself on this topic. In 2 Thess 2:11, 1kings 22:23, and ezek 14:9 he lies, not only by proxy but also by sending forth "lying spirits" to deceive
ahh but "God"contradicts himself on this topic. In 2 Thess 2:11, 1kings 22:23, and ezek 14:9 he lies, not only by proxy but also by sending forth "lying spirits" to deceive
ahh but "God"contradicts himself on this topic. In 2 Thess 2:11, 1kings 22:23, and ezek 14:9 he lies, not only by proxy but also by sending forth "lying spirits" to deceive
I have not spoken in secret - (See the notes at Isaiah 45:19). The idea here is, that he had foretold the raising up of Cyrus, and his agency in delivering his people, in terms so plain that it could not be pretended that it was conjectured, and so clear that there was no ambiguity
@rehzon No.The Romans are fake.This is why they don't teach the people to stop lying to their children about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.All those who think find it disturbing to lie to children around the time they try to teach the children of Jesus.Jesus never taught Christianity ,the Romans did and mixed in old pagan practices so that the people could accept Jesus.This is why there is no peace in the world today.This is why crooked politicians rule you.The masses are crooked.
If indeed Isaiah 48:16 is true, then that means that these Gospels that were part of the original Bible were never a "secret" to begin with. The only reason they are secret is because they were banned and had to go underground perhaps. They are esoteric and continue to be nowadays to prevent them from people like who (who dont understand them) from destroying them...much like years ago.
The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, 'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.' (Luke 8:10)
*** "Secret sayings of Jesus"? Isaiah 48:16 God says he hasn't spoken in secret
ver 77 jesus said the kingdom of god is inside you, and all around you, not of wood and , not in mansions of wood and stone, split a piece of wood... i am there lift a stone... and you will find me...
This is stupid, Gnostics believe that before the world was created, 2 gods were fighting and the good god prevailed and thats how the G-d we know came to be. lol
The true meaning is that you will never taste death because there is no such thing... that is why once you realise you will taste it.. btw I just accepted jesus as my spiritual guide and i will be with him as far as he will take me.. let me pick up that stone now ... need to chat to him :)
I have watched this film and see one thing the BBC and the National Geographic Mag. making out like they hace found something of great Value. the Gosphel of Thomas was wriotten by the Gnostic group of the church during the 1st to 4 th centrury that wanted the Pagan symboles be put into the church and these Pagan symboles came from the Roman Belief system where you had gold statues and gold calf put into the worship. Gnostic wrote the Gosphel of Thomas and Thomas never knew he wrote it.
Jesus is essentially saying to find your inner self. Discover the true nature of reality and you will become enlightened in eternal life. This gospel is certainly much more on the mark.
@Overbeek1991 Well it's really a matter of opinion, whether you view Jesus Christ as some divine ruler of the universe that demands obedience, or a wise teacher who wants to liberate "his children". Personally, the gospel of Thomas is much less egotistical than the other gospels which just want to glorify the life of the guy and not his teachings (broadly speaking). For me though, love does not mean you want to rule over someone. Someone who loves you would rather liberate than rule over you.
@silverbackman this gospel contradicts all the other books of the old testament and new testament. it's not an inspired book my friend, i hope that you will listen to what i've said. god bless
sif people would bother to read then you would know that chrstianity heavily borrows from the greco roman mithras belief system. thats a fact, g of t shows jesus as what he was a spiritual leader who taught that we are children of god. not only himself,he taught you can seek god by yourself not through institutions like temples or churches.FOR the romans however this proved perfect,we got the 10 commandments, add heaven and hell to make people slaves to the authorieties. 666 means nero btw.
My one problem with this narrator is his sensationalist assertion that, despite the given translation of the first line, Thomas' Gospel offers 'exemption' from death.
What is claimed is that the knowing reader will not 'taste' death (as is seen in the doc in this video)
I think the tradition's idea is that if one discards the illusory mental construct of the continuity of the self, we view death in the context of an evolving global consciousness. see alan watts / siddharta guatama for details.
Helpful, am presenting Bart Erhmans lecture series and banging head on wall trying to wade through the series. This was kind of like having "Cliff Notes" to the lectures!
Yeah, I could see why the original church founders had problems with the Gospel of Thomas... it hints of gnosticism and adds nothing new to the gospel account of what Jesus said.
Even as a child i suspected the new test stories as having been parsed and corrupted by centuries of ominous and utilitarian politicking. Who are these 'original church founders' who distilled your reading list' - you have no clue!
No, it is not "secret". Even at the time of its writing its language was "off the grid".
We are comforted by rote - what is accepted as truth by a the established: "good or iffy" - this kind of writing is "uncomfortable". Makes one think...wonder, question, etc. Then the answers need to come from within.
Each of the G. books, or what fragments are left, offers a complimentary aspect to the same sayings.
You have it Backwards, they are not Cryptic or Gnostic. They offered a Direct connection to God, through Jesus' Words. We tried keep the River open not narrowed.They are not "Obvious" because some of them needed to survive intact to today without Redaction. You might want to check out What the students of Jesus that followed his Brother Thomas after Jesus Died. We are reaching out to the Trinitarians to share what you should know right now. Peace,
Correction: There's not a single word or promise about eternal life in the Gospel of Thomas. The focus is on this only life that we have and will ever have. The promise is: You shall not TASTE death, i.e. you won't be concerned about it while you're alive.
You are Definitely Correct ! But there is more than You Know about Thomas Gospel. Jesus told Thomas Things that Were only Revealed To Thomas And Not Other Apostles....
@byronic80 What does that mean, "intuitively feel closer"? You mean to say that this is a Jesus that you can better relate to? A Jesus who speaks "secretly" with esoteric knowledge only to those who are deemed worthy of hearing? And how could the Gospel of Thomas have been "earlier" than the synoptics if it has material that is verbatim from the Gospel of John, which wasn't written down until 90-100 AD?
the earliest mention of Jesus is found in the Hindu Bhavisha purana
ahamatmabrahman 2 weeks ago in playlist Ancient Mystery Cults
Message of the gospel of Thomas is simple to understand: The kingdom of heaven is within. The light of love and truth is within. You must bring that forth in the world to have eternal love and peace.Be the change you want to see in the world.Ghandi understood this. There is nothing esoteric about this if your in touch with intuitive wisdom. church fathers say that salvation is through belief in resurrection.... and that they were the go between. You dont need the church, if the temple is within
charronfamilyconnect 4 weeks ago
i have a feeling that one of mani's disciples is not so far off the mark as the writer and may be a sort of “informed” compilation
btw regarding mary's “female becoming male” if you look at outstanding women in history they have strong male streaks !
osip7315 2 months ago
I think back then the average person couldn't write and that most of the scriptures were written between 40 and 300 AD by scholars. (I heard that somewhere)
Gooodwitch 3 months ago
Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go forth from among us, for women are not worthy of the life. Jesus said: Behold, I shall lead her, that I may make her male, in order that she also may become a living spirit like you males. For every woman who makes herself male shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Parakupto 3 months ago
Women=mankind
Man= like God(genesis1:27) our original ... he was referring to the renewal of the mind of mankind
Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go forth from among us, for women(mankind) are not worthy of the life.
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youneekk 4 months ago
Thomas felt partly to blame for the death of his beloved Jesus.
He felt like the chosen one of the disciples, the favorite, which Judas resented.
eastariel 4 months ago
I’ve thought of the vs 29 of the Gospel of Thomas as special; in the 1st part, about the flesh coming about because of the spirit, is the traditional Adam and Eve scenario where the supreme being has bestowed life ('a marvel'); but in the 2nd part, I see the flesh as having been created without a spirit, as a hybrid by other humanoid beings, but then, as a 'marvel of marvels', the spirit is bestowed upon this creation by the supreme being, even tho this creation is 'in poverty' (not deserving).
birdyboyblue 4 months ago
moses dindt wrote tora literally
amsiermann 7 months ago
Jesus died to send the Holy ghost. the old covenant was called the ministration of death and condemnation, it was done away, abolished, and fulfilled. now men have taken the same law that killed Jesus and they call it by his name. king James was born 6, 1566,6th of scotland, he authorized 66 books and called them the word of God. Jesus is the word of God. THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST
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GahdeMalprigi1488x 7 months ago
Regardless of date, the Gospel of Thomas does show a much more kind and caring Jesus than the first four Gospels show, and one who tells us how important it is to use our HEADS and not just our 'hearts' (the feeling/emotional/spiritual ones) to interpret Scripture. Nothing in it wholly contradicts other Gospels, and it adds in a lot of missing pieces Christianity should have if Christians really want to prove that they're not brainwashed by their clergy.
kirby28645 7 months ago
The Gospel of Thomas is succour for enlightened souls only. Thus, it can only be understood by anyone who has been touched by God or been genuinely Baptised by the Holy Spirit, as Jesus was. There is no place in any church in the whole world for christs or true gnostics, least of all Christianity. Thomas' teachings in India were erased by RC in 16th cent. But India is the only place in the world where paintings of baby Jesus include his physical father Joseph, as the virgin birth is untrue.
gnosticjohn 8 months ago
if you accept the Gosphel of Thomas I will write a Gosphel for myself about Jesus and want it included in the Bible !
turtle4aire 8 months ago
@turtle4aire That's just stupid. The Gospel of Thomas is real. I know it goes against everything you've been taught but you're going to have to just deal with it.
joecane6340 1 month ago
Gosphel of Thomas was written around the year 200 A.D. and suppose to be written by Thomas and Thomas would be over 200+ yrs. old at the time when he wrote it ! It is a Joke to say Thomas wrote it when he would have to be 200+ yrs. Old at the writting at the time !
As you say Thomas could be older than any of the other gosphel. I could have wings and fly,but really i can't ! If i can fly, Thomas could be older than any of the others ! I can't fly, so Thomas was not older than any Ones.
turtle4aire 8 months ago
@turtle4aire
I am surprised that there is no Indian Translation, as that was where Thomas settled and built his Church.
colin
col1n1234 8 months ago
@turtle4aire It could be that, the documents we have are a later reproduction. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all occured long after the fact.
stumodman 6 months ago
@turtle4aire
I think they say that the physical document that has survived was written at 200 AD. This 200 AD doc is a copy/translation of an older document, which we *don't* have, the *original* gospel of Thomas.
wovenlander 5 months ago
@turtle4aire
I think they say that the physical document we hold today was written at 200 AD. This 200 AD doc is a copy/translation of an older document, which we *don't* have, the *original* gospel of Thomas. Remember, they didn't have printing presses.
wovenlander 5 months ago
@turtle4aire What's more funny is that someone would bother to entertain an argument against Thomas being 200+ years old. It's obvious to anyone involved with the gospel's distribution that Thomas isn't that old. It's common knowledge that the authorship of many of these gospels are meant for a kind of rhetoric, or spiritual meaning.
robokou 4 months ago
@turtle4aire
And neither are the synoptic gospels written by the apostles themselves. They too have been written by people who have put the name of a famous apostle on their gospel to give it more credibility.
Also, the gospel of thomas is a mixture of sayings attributed to Jesus from different sources. There are fragments that are indeed from 200 AD, but also fragments that are dated much earlier than the synoptic gospels by a lot of scholars.
eelke81 1 month ago
@turtle4aire Some things are true weather you believe it or not but saying it was created in 200AD is simply not true. The current believe is that it was written between 50 - 150 AD and scientists are leaning toward 50 AD. The same scientists who dated the 4 gospels. The TRUTH is that it was not included in the Bible because it suggests that clergy was not needed. No priests, no church, no pope so Constantine left it out.
joecane6340 1 month ago
@turtle4aire A person can live to be 200. I don't know if this was the case for Thomas though.
Jaboie 1 month ago
@turtle4aire , no, you don't understand. This is a copy of a much earlier text, and was probably translated from Greek.
tabletalk33 3 weeks ago
what egyptian coptik u fucking moran narrator,,,its GREEK
MTLSPARTAN 8 months ago
I appreciate doubting in general. we need to doubt a lot of "truth{ in our time.
albertsneijMD 9 months ago
you are right about the Coptic/ Greek connection.
albertsneijMD 9 months ago
can you explain " people in the know" for me. thanks.
albertsneijMD 9 months ago
he who understands these words will never know death.... i heard that quote and i think it came from this gospel.. intresting.. now if theres a way to figure out its meaning.. who wouldnt want to live forever and never experience death.
aressephcloud 9 months ago
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secrets1111 9 months ago
What's up with the Indian Jones Hat?
alienhybrid 9 months ago
was the text Coptic? for sure?? it seems to me to be Greek, 99.9999%.
albertsneijMD 10 months ago
@albertsneijMD
I have just tried the sentence in Google translate, and they are not that similar.
colin
un less Greek was diferent then.
col1n1234 10 months ago
@albertsneijMD
Coptic is greek but with some additional letters
knutomy 9 months ago
@albertsneijMD Coptic script is based in greek script, with only a few changes.
kaimialana 9 months ago
I'd like to point out that the reason the church rejected this gospel is not so much that it made only people in the know worthy of salvation, but because it cuts through the power structure of the church. Gnosis is direct and personal, with no need of churches or any other sort of intermediary.
kaimialana 9 months ago
@albertsneijMD The Gosphel of Thomas is a Gnostic Gosphel and makes it being written around 200 A.D. . None of the Gnostic Gosphets are any older than the year 150 A. D. .The Gosphels of Mary, Thomas, and Judas are Gosphels written after the year 150 A.D. for sure. They would be pushing 150 yrs. old to have written them. Yes, none of the Prophets lived over 100 yrs. of age ! John live to close to 100 but not over it ! if any of them live over 150 yrs. the Gnostic Gosphets could be true !
turtle4aire 8 months ago
@turtle4aire That's what you've been taught but it's not true.
joecane6340 1 month ago
@albertsneijMD ...remember Egypt before the Romans had been conquered by the Greeks (Alexander the Great, founder of many Alexandria cities in Egypt, etc) and therefore they spoke a version of Greek, not the same as of Greece, but close to it. This is what that is.
luistpuig 7 months ago
@albertsneijMD the coptics did hange their letters to greek for 2000 years ago, their letters are quite different from the greek, ut they almost look the same....
they pronounce them different and have other letters than the greek!
al4381 5 months ago
@albertsneijMD In Nat Geo's "Jesus, the man behind the myth" it is said that it is Coptic writen in Greek characters.... (Just passing on, I have no way of knowing is this is true.)
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1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...
A Biblical literalist must accept Thomas' Gospel.
Mirkwood90 11 months ago
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1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...
A Biblical literalist must accept Thomas' Gospel.
Mirkwood90 11 months ago
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1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...
A Biblical literalist must accept Thomas' Gospel.
Mirkwood90 11 months ago
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1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...
A Biblical literalist must accept Thomas' Gospel.
Mirkwood90 11 months ago
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1 John 4:2-3 (NIV) "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
Thomas 28. Yeshua says: I took my stand in the midst of the world, and incarnate I was manifest and appeared to them...
A Biblical literalist must accept Thomas' Gospel.
Mirkwood90 11 months ago
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weracnaim 11 months ago
well holy god
weracnaim 11 months ago
It's not in Coptic, as he sais in video.
It's in ARAMAIC.
oztronix 1 year ago
@oztronix Rubbish! It's extant in Coptic but most scholars view it to be a translation from an original Greek copy. Coptic however is an Afro-Asiatic Egyptian language, spoken in Egypt around the first century up to about the seventh or eighth when Arabic too over.
Monies1899 1 year ago
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@oztronix Rubbish! It's extant in Coptic but most scholars view it to be a translation from an original Greek copy. Coptic however is an Afro-Asiatic Egyptian language, spoken in Egypt around the first century up to about the seventh or eighth when Arabic took over.
Monies1899 1 year ago
a false christ appeals to the human nature rather than jesus as he was truthfully, the thrill of finding out some secret, or knowing something special that others might not understand entices a man to believe anything, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. salvation has no secret, eternal life is given freely to any man that believes in the resurrection of our lord jesus christ and his sacrifice in our place.i pray that satan loses his grip of confusion and obsession on you.
Terrybob123 1 year ago
it is said, there may be up to 50 missing gospels
northernpike56 1 year ago
@northernpike56 the Roman empire created the Bible to fit it's own agenda...in the 3rd century Roman Emperor Constantine hand-picked which gospels would most likely encourage followers and rule the people...Constantine had full awareness of other gospels but chose to pick only gospels that best suited his cause (Mathew ,Mark, Luke,and John).
Sad, but even the Bible fell victim to personal best interests and corruption.
northernpike56 1 year ago
@northernpike56
There where 12 Apostils, who knew Jesus Christ, what happened to them all?
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
@col1n1234 church kill them and church took what it suitable for they criminality.
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX
There was no Church at that time.
Love, Light and Peace.
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
@col1n1234 think about who is the church???if you say Jesus you are wrong...
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX
The Holy Trinity, will guide us.
Love, Light and Peace
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
@col1n1234 The Holy Trinity of WHAT??? God then other God then other God...This is a NOT Holiness or what Jesus believed this is a PAGANISM. God bless you...
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX
Please send more information
Love, Light and peace
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
@col1n1234 What kind of information would you like from me???God bless you...
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX
Information that say's there is no trinity, other than your words.
I can tell you Truly There is.
Love, Light and Peace
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
@col1n1234 simple explanation: to whom jesus prayed??? to trinity,,,to holy spirit or ghost and holy son of God OR JUST to the only ONE God... I known Bible upside down if you find information that Jesus p.u.h pray to trinity or said anything about holy son of God and holy spirit I will kill myself OK...God bless you...
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX
Jesus Prayed to his Father (GOD ), Then when he was killed on the torcher stake, he ascended into Heaven and now sit's at GOD'S right hand. This make's Three, The Father , The Son, The Holy Spirit. Together as ONE .
Please do not kill your self .
Truly this is how it is.
Love, Light and Peace
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
@col1n1234 1st Jesus p.u.h was not killed on cross.2nd 1+1=1???I don’t think so.3rd yes Jesus pray to OUR FATHER not only Jesus Father probably you forget pray “OUR Father(not Jesus father) Who is in heaven, Holy is Your Name(not Jesus name) Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven(God power not Jesus) Give US this day our daily bread, and forgive US our sins, as we forgive those who sin against US and lead US not into temptation, but deliver US from evil. Amen.
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX
I Think and believe differently to your first words.
But say the Lords Prayer often.
Love Light and peace
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
@col1n1234 you dont need to believe differently just believe in ONE GOD...
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX john 10:30 "i and the father are one", jesus also talks about the spirit of the lord descending like a dove on him when he is baptised, and he talks about the comforter coming after him, thats the holy spirit. so there you go, jesus father god, and the holy spirit. but knowing these things doesn't make you want to die my friend, but it brings life, you already have everything backwards in your mind, be set free.
Terrybob123 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 Let start from beginning you bible said that Jesus p.u.h died on cross so basically we don’t have GOD for period of 2000 years who control universe and life on earth…answer me how is the possible to kill GOD???John 14:28 My Father is greater than I. John 20:17 I ascend unto my Father, and your Father and to my God, and your God. I waiting for answer…God bless you.
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX if you want to quote john read chapter 1, in the beggining was the word and the word was god and the word was with god, the word became manifest in the flesh as jesus, jesus existed before he was born, he was just born into a man's flesh thats all, when he talks about being ascended to glory, he prays for god to restore his former glory, as in before to be the same as he was before he was born in a man's body read john chapter one.
Terrybob123 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???DID YOU EVER READ BIBLE??? Gesesis chapter 1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the waters.Chapter 26 Then God said “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness(ADAM NO FATHER NO MOTHER)so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky"(NOT RULE OVER THE GOD) there was NOT JESUS.
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX Purely metaphor, never concretize the Bible! It blends in beautifully with all other religions bringing all mankind together under one consciousness instead of war on the infedel, gentile etc. Just release the ego, read the bible as metaphor, of the chaos that is going on within each individual being. Find the Christ-Consciousness within and embrace it, find the evil of ego-satin and release it.
chakrachaser 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX wow man, what do you think it means when he says "US* the godhead jesus the father and the holy spirit thats the us, thats why it says us. jesus is god, the flesh of god, just like we have our body mind and spirit, god obviously also has seperate parts since we are made in his image. use common sense brother, the gospel of thomas is nothing but a book of lies inspired by satan, just like the book of mormon, and the Quran, and the book of enoch(which makes you believe ufos are alien)
Terrybob123 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 WHO TOLD YOU THAT JESUS P.U.H IS A GOD???
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX god wrote it in his word. unlike muhhamad's book of lies and death and sexual immorallity and power crazy ways of leading people, sheria law is the law of satan. Isa is NOT JESUS. your prophet is your god, not the lord god of israel, the one true god, muhhamaad did not see gabrielle he saw satan in disguise, and if you don't realize the evil in his teachings, then you will not find jesus christ, the only one who can save, the only one who can bring peace to you, and comfort. be wise
Terrybob123 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 YOU ARE SICK MAN OK...DID YOU EVER SAW QURAN OR READ IT???
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX i've studied it some yes, and i know enough to discern the differenc ebetween the truth and a lie. but my brother, lets not argue and fight over small things, the lord jesus works in his own time and will. let us be good hearted in knowing that we hold the name of jesus highly. at least you know of him, many many people never get a chance to even hear his name, god bless my friend, and i hope the lord finds you worthy when the day comes to be redeemed.
Terrybob123 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 You can not call yourself or be a Muslim if you not believe in Jesus p.u.h(read all Quran)
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX but the quran says that the way jesus is talked about in the bible is a lie, and that jesus of the quran is the real jesus, but thats not right, if you believe in the quran's version of jesus, then you believe the same as the world. it's all the same.
Terrybob123 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 Your bible disrespect Jesus p.u.h(his name is not Jesus do your home work and find real Jesus name) punish him and put him on cross and killed him so your bible in fact killed the GOD(because you call Jesus p.u.h a GOD who never claim to be a God),,,,In Quran Allah resurrect him and take him to haven …That is a huge differences.
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX jesus' real name is yeshua in hebrew, we jsut pronounce it different because of the different tounues, different sounds. i know jesus' real name my friend, but jesus was not killed, he gave his life, he did it himself, and suffered for us brother.. the flesh and blood son of god could have caused all thsoe men to fall to death just by saying it, he was not being forced to die, he gave himself as a sacrifice, so he could die in our place, for our wrong doing. he was ressurected.
Terrybob123 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 Jesus was not killed, he gave his life ???I don’t understand what are you talking about??? if I telling you that John hang himself on tree what would be your first reaction??? you call Jesus p.u.h a GOD and he died on cross and resurrected so where his gone??? Finally according to Christians you can kill and do whatever you like no problems because we have a Jesus he sacrifices himself for our sin??? so easily if you kill someone you can blame Jesus in court...
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX john the baptist didn't get hanged he got his head choppe doff because of a prideful king. he is not a god, he is the god, just in the body of a man, god can do anything, if he wants to be in the flesh with us he can be. and being saved is NOT a free pass to sin, and do what ever you want, jesus said if you love me follow my commandments. it means your heart changes, to where you do less evil, and the evil thast you do as a human naturally because of our corruptness is forgiven.
Terrybob123 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 Witch commandments from whom??? FROM OUR FATHER WHO IS IN HAVEN…human being including Adam, Abraham, Mosses, Jesus, Mohamed is just spot of sand in desert…our galaxy is spot of sand in universe,,, universe is spot of sand compare to the GOD…GOD doesn’t need small human who eat GOD food do poo etc to be a GOD…think about that...
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX what if what your referring to as god is just the collective soul and we all become part of this collective soul in death. I'd care about that small human who now lives and is making the same mistakes i made as a human being. maybe god is the being who created life and Jesus is one of many who are sent to earth to preach that we need to relies there is more to life then what we know and we are all sleeping souls.
FourKicksOG 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 God is the English name given to a SINGULAR being in theistic and deistic religions.Swinburne, R.G. "God" in Honderich, Ted. (ed)The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, Oxford University Press, 1995. JESUS P.U.H IS NOT A GOD...
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@Terrybob123 Is that you're way of trying to bring someone to Jesus? Insult his beliefs? "A tree is known by its fruit… Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things" (Matthew 12:33-35).
joecane6340 1 month ago
@Terrybob123 Baptism is Jews ritual bath called a Mikveh.
XBAGREMX 1 year ago
@XBAGREMX yes, a bath t o be clean, your spirit needs to be cleaned just like your body does, and it symbolizes being made clean in different ways.
Terrybob123 1 year ago
Not satanic, just out of kilter with the pauline, roman creation we call 'christianity'.
AkiliNeil 1 year ago
Hi,
Gnostics are the seekers of His Word. In Jesus, we have One Fold, Church of God and One Shepherd, Christ Jesus. Then why we have so many divisions in the name of Christ Jesus? What position Peter holds in the Fold? Jesus told us that in My Father's House, there are many Mansions. So, where is the Mansion of Peter placed in the Fold, our Father's House? Could you accept Mammon while serving God? Where would you put these hireling Dog-Collared Priests in Churches? God or Satan?
nijjhar1 1 year ago
THOMAS: Whosoever finds the interpretation of these sayings
shall never taste death......John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God...John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
1Mazzaroth 1 year ago
I can find similarities from the bible to writing of thomas...THOMAS: These are the secret words which Jesus the living one spoke ... 1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery... Romans 16:25 the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began... Ephesians 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ........
1Mazzaroth 1 year ago
Has anyone noticed how the end of this line of thought is "Your knowledge and understanding will save you"? No need for Christ other than his hidden knowledge?
I can understand how the typical person would be turned on to this. A satanic line of thought.
taaronemore74 1 year ago
@taaronemore74
Like the Tree of Good and Bad in the Garden of Eden ?
The Apostle Thomas, wanted to see the wounds on Jesus Christ human body, so had no doubt, he moved to North west India and built a Church, this Church still stands, unless this is also misleading,
I know Jesus sit's at God's Right Hand, And I read as much as I can to try and build a picture of His teaching and how we could be saved from Satan.
I Believe.
To live as Jesus Christ did I find hard in these times,
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
@taaronemore74
Is it not possible that Jesus came to make you realize your own divinity? Didn't he say if you had even a little faith of the size of a mustard seed, you would move mountains!? Your mind sounds more like a typical person who is tuned to your own limitations.
TheTransme 1 year ago
@taaronemore74
Is it not possible that Jesus came to make you realize your own divinity? Didn't he say if you had even a little faith of the size of a mustard seed, you would move mountains!? Your mind sounds more like a typical person who is tuned to your own limitations.
TheTransme 1 year ago
@taaronemore74
Is it not possible that Jesus came to make you realize your own divinity? Didn't he say if you had even a little faith of the size of a mustard seed, you would move mountains!? Your mind sounds more like a typical person who is tuned to your own limitations.
You must bring forth that which is within you--your perfection that has existed since beginningless--in the image of "god."
TheTransme 1 year ago
@TheTransme Indeed. I am divine. Created in the image of God.
However, we have been currupted by sin. Our birthright stolen away. To see perfection, one must look to Christ Jesus and His victory that only He could win. If a mountain moves, it is not by me it moves, but by the power of God.
We must repent of sin and strive to be like Him. In myself, by myself, there is only weakness and death. Thank you Christ Jesus for forgiveness and grace. Amen.
taaronemore74 1 year ago
@taaronemore74
"A satanic line of thought."
It's only satanic if you've already descided not to believe what you have not read.
That is the very definition of arrogance.
MaxSafeheaD 1 year ago
@MaxSafeheaD You believe it is arrogance to accept this book and throw away the rest it conflicts with, or just my understanding of it's contents? You called me arrogant in the midst of your own.
Believe what you will and call me what you feel. If God don't agree with Himself, how can you agree with anything He said?
taaronemore74 1 year ago
@taaronemore74
Sorry to be harsh, I was already pissed off by something else.
There are numerous contradictions between the biblical gospels and you still consider them holy, yet testimony from another of Jesus' own disciples you consider to be satanic.
You seem to forget the bible was compiled hundreds of years after christianity had began.
MaxSafeheaD 1 year ago
@MaxSafeheaD The Bible contradicts and this book is true? The author is Thomas? I disagree. People will see and hear what they want. Your welcome to your view. All a person can hope for is that God will open eyes and ears.
taaronemore74 1 year ago
@taaronemore74
I would expect contradictions. After all Gospels are testimony by followers of Jesus' disciples - the bible was not written by Jesus directly. As you say people believe what they want and I understand that it's probably too painful for most christians to even contemplate there are no 100% accurate or complete records from the early church.
I'm not bothered either way to be honest, there's nothing obviously holy about any of these books IMO.
MaxSafeheaD 1 year ago
interesting...7:00
traditional religion then and now controlled the type of information that suited the leaders agendas only giving teachings that they wanted their following to know and never to be questioned...whereas the gnostic teachings were probably secretive or two reasons...1. to allow their followers to go within and find their own enlightenment or 2. to stay alive since the powers at be would kill anyone that was different...
ilindah 1 year ago
I like this very much. Hopefully one day the true dating of this gospel will be found.The fact that its opposite and disregarded by the OrthodoxChristians, speaks volumes in itself.I just listened to the full translation of the gospel and it felt better to hear this.If this IS one of THE true accts of what Jesus said,then Christianity should embrace this,not fear it.No matter how you slice up religion and faith in whatever form,its all under the umbrella of the personal relationship to the lord.
dvsmike 1 year ago
btw, my belief lies within me and nor do i favor one religion over another and nor do i believe anyone faith is correct. Im more for Philosophy and what every faith has to offer. The question of God predates christianity. Therefore, don't let my statements be interpreted as favoring one side or another. I respect all faiths and their philosophy to life. No one has it right yet who is to say anyone of them is wrong? Live virtuous and with love and one can only ascend.
dvsmike 1 year ago
That anyone would consider the Gospel of Thomas authentic is a disturbing look into power of esoteric nonsense to captivate the minds of the brilliant.
fgsltwhghobstwbihsnp 1 year ago
@fgsltwhghobstwbihsnp
Why wouldn't it be authentic, do you think Jesus only had four disciples?
MaxSafeheaD 1 year ago
@MaxSafeheaD Because it is Gnostic.
fgsltwhghobstwbihsnp 1 year ago
@fgsltwhghobstwbihsnp The apostles only endorsed Matthew Mark Luke and John. They did not endorse Gnosticism. Gnosticism was an entirely different religion.
fgsltwhghobstwbihsnp 1 year ago
And how can they say that it was discovered in it's entirety? How can they possibly know that?
Overbeek1991 1 year ago
@Overbeek1991
perhaps it had a front and a back cover?!
MaxSafeheaD 1 year ago
Speculating that the Gospel of Thomas is "likely older" than the canonical gospels, particularly the synoptics, based on the idea that there is no biographical framework, is really feigned logic, because biographical writings were very popular during the early-to-mid first century. The exclusive and "secret" sayings of Jesus as a format is quite unusual - hence the lack of other documents of this form.
Overbeek1991 1 year ago
@Overbeek1991 Why do you assume the canonical gospels are automatically the oldest or the most accurate when the reason why they were chosen had nothing to do with such info? The bible as we know it; was put together by a meeting initiated by Emperor Constantine known as the Council of Nicea. The books that ended up making it in the bible were specifically chosen for political reasons, not out of any honest scholarly effort to find out what is authentic.
silverbackman 1 year ago
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Thomas McEvilley on 'The Shape of Ancient Thought'
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Greco-Buddhism
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
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qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
in my eyes the gospel of thomas was removed
because it made jesus look to human to '''' normal '''
and less god - like..
which isnt what you want people to know
if you want to control them ,
ORALORALSEX 1 year ago
This gospel is the most profound . Why was this gospel eliminated from the holy bible ? no one knows.
thanks col1n1234
sonny19xx 1 year ago
@sonny19xx What makes it profound? I like dialogue. What depth of insight is exclusive to this text?
Overbeek1991 1 year ago
"Secret sayings of Jesus"? Isaiah 48:16 God says he hasn't spoken in secret
from the beginning. There's a reason The gospel of Thomas was left out..
its a fake.
rehzon 1 year ago
@rehzon
Hi,
Yet His Church still stands in North West India ?
love, light and Peace
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
@col1n1234
Nothing against Thomas or his church..just that gospel.
rehzon 1 year ago
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@rehzon
"Nothing against Thomas or his church..just that gospel."
errr ... contradiction!
MaxSafeheaD 1 year ago
@rehzon
Hi,
They are not sure the text are real, But i understand quite a lot of what is writen, it is not a riddel. it is what it say's.
Also Mary went on to build a city in Turkey , please look at some other video's i posted, especially Mary Magdalene’s Monastery and city,
Thanks for your reply, but for some reason it has not been posted on this page yet ?
Love Light and Peace
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
@rehzon The nag hammadi texts are real and proved to be so. the religion of christianity itself was prtactised secretly fearing roman persecution. thanks col1n1234
sonny19xx 1 year ago
@rehzon don't be a noob, Thomas wrote down it was "secret sayings" and we all know Thomas was a man, a drunken spirit in a body
ultamatepower 1 year ago
@ultamatepower "these are the secret saying Jesus spoke to Didymos Thomas"
That is the actual quote, proving that neither Jesus or Thomas called them "secret" but rather one of THomas's personal followers
ultamatepower 1 year ago
@rehzon Most theologians would regard the four canonical gospels as pseudoepigraphical "fakes".
Caracalla23 1 year ago
@rehzon Elaine Pagels (Prof of Religion at Princeton) and other theologians regard John as a response to Thomas which would place the Gospel in the first century. Stevan Davies believes that Thomas might PREDATE the canonical Gospels because it is just a series of sayings of Jesus without the biographical padding that appears in the canonicals. Many theologians believe this is how the teachings of Jesus were first transmitted.
Caracalla23 1 year ago
@rehzon You sound like an expert and I'm curious to know which of the two Nativity stories is fake - they differ so much they can't both be true/real?
MusicStudyMan 1 year ago
@rehzon
ahh but "God"contradicts himself on this topic. In 2 Thess 2:11, 1kings 22:23, and ezek 14:9 he lies, not only by proxy but also by sending forth "lying spirits" to deceive
thouartthebuddha 1 year ago
@rehzon
ahh but "God"contradicts himself on this topic. In 2 Thess 2:11, 1kings 22:23, and ezek 14:9 he lies, not only by proxy but also by sending forth "lying spirits" to deceive
thouartthebuddha 1 year ago
@rehzon
ahh but "God"contradicts himself on this topic. In 2 Thess 2:11, 1kings 22:23, and ezek 14:9 he lies, not only by proxy but also by sending forth "lying spirits" to deceive
thouartthebuddha 1 year ago
@rehzon
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Come ye near unto me - (see Isaiah 48:14).
I have not spoken in secret - (See the notes at Isaiah 45:19). The idea here is, that he had foretold the raising up of Cyrus, and his agency in delivering his people, in terms so plain that it could not be pretended that it was conjectured, and so clear that there was no ambiguity
CafeAfrique 1 year ago
@rehzon No.The Romans are fake.This is why they don't teach the people to stop lying to their children about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.All those who think find it disturbing to lie to children around the time they try to teach the children of Jesus.Jesus never taught Christianity ,the Romans did and mixed in old pagan practices so that the people could accept Jesus.This is why there is no peace in the world today.This is why crooked politicians rule you.The masses are crooked.
arnibah 1 year ago
@rehzon
"from the beginning. There's a reason The gospel of Thomas was left out.."
You do know the bible was compiled centuries after christianity began don't you?
MaxSafeheaD 1 year ago
@rehzon
If indeed Isaiah 48:16 is true, then that means that these Gospels that were part of the original Bible were never a "secret" to begin with. The only reason they are secret is because they were banned and had to go underground perhaps. They are esoteric and continue to be nowadays to prevent them from people like who (who dont understand them) from destroying them...much like years ago.
Chichiri520 1 year ago
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@rehzon
The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, 'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.' (Luke 8:10)
*** "Secret sayings of Jesus"? Isaiah 48:16 God says he hasn't spoken in secret
from the beginning. ***
zigota2008 1 year ago
ver 77 jesus said the kingdom of god is inside you, and all around you, not of wood and , not in mansions of wood and stone, split a piece of wood... i am there lift a stone... and you will find me...
RENTAMOB1 1 year ago
Diddymus mean's Thomas, lol. apparently man dosn't know what Metempsychosis mean's, and that the Soul is twin's with it's body, lol.
KaOssis 1 year ago
so , what to belive?
skycladwow 1 year ago
This is stupid, Gnostics believe that before the world was created, 2 gods were fighting and the good god prevailed and thats how the G-d we know came to be. lol
cthunder1000 1 year ago
The true meaning is that you will never taste death because there is no such thing... that is why once you realise you will taste it.. btw I just accepted jesus as my spiritual guide and i will be with him as far as he will take me.. let me pick up that stone now ... need to chat to him :)
thetruth786110 1 year ago
I have watched this film and see one thing the BBC and the National Geographic Mag. making out like they hace found something of great Value. the Gosphel of Thomas was wriotten by the Gnostic group of the church during the 1st to 4 th centrury that wanted the Pagan symboles be put into the church and these Pagan symboles came from the Roman Belief system where you had gold statues and gold calf put into the worship. Gnostic wrote the Gosphel of Thomas and Thomas never knew he wrote it.
turtle4aire 1 year ago
I posted this, because his Church still stands in North West India.
Everyone Teaches differently,
Also Christen Women where put to death by the Romans for there belief as well as Men, Why ? If Women Where not thought of as worthy.
colin
col1n1234 1 year ago
Jesus is essentially saying to find your inner self. Discover the true nature of reality and you will become enlightened in eternal life. This gospel is certainly much more on the mark.
silverbackman 1 year ago 11
@silverbackman By "on the mark" you mean that it's much more comfortable with your gnostic worldview.
Overbeek1991 1 year ago
@Overbeek1991 Well it's really a matter of opinion, whether you view Jesus Christ as some divine ruler of the universe that demands obedience, or a wise teacher who wants to liberate "his children". Personally, the gospel of Thomas is much less egotistical than the other gospels which just want to glorify the life of the guy and not his teachings (broadly speaking). For me though, love does not mean you want to rule over someone. Someone who loves you would rather liberate than rule over you.
silverbackman 1 year ago 2
@silverbackman this gospel contradicts all the other books of the old testament and new testament. it's not an inspired book my friend, i hope that you will listen to what i've said. god bless
Terrybob123 1 year ago
sif people would bother to read then you would know that chrstianity heavily borrows from the greco roman mithras belief system. thats a fact, g of t shows jesus as what he was a spiritual leader who taught that we are children of god. not only himself,he taught you can seek god by yourself not through institutions like temples or churches.FOR the romans however this proved perfect,we got the 10 commandments, add heaven and hell to make people slaves to the authorieties. 666 means nero btw.
moroihunter 2 years ago
My one problem with this narrator is his sensationalist assertion that, despite the given translation of the first line, Thomas' Gospel offers 'exemption' from death.
What is claimed is that the knowing reader will not 'taste' death (as is seen in the doc in this video)
I think the tradition's idea is that if one discards the illusory mental construct of the continuity of the self, we view death in the context of an evolving global consciousness. see alan watts / siddharta guatama for details.
robowenyt 2 years ago
Helpful, am presenting Bart Erhmans lecture series and banging head on wall trying to wade through the series. This was kind of like having "Cliff Notes" to the lectures!
Yeah, I could see why the original church founders had problems with the Gospel of Thomas... it hints of gnosticism and adds nothing new to the gospel account of what Jesus said.
betz151z 2 years ago
Even as a child i suspected the new test stories as having been parsed and corrupted by centuries of ominous and utilitarian politicking. Who are these 'original church founders' who distilled your reading list' - you have no clue!
haha Less blind faith please.
robowenyt 2 years ago
No, it is not "secret". Even at the time of its writing its language was "off the grid".
We are comforted by rote - what is accepted as truth by a the established: "good or iffy" - this kind of writing is "uncomfortable". Makes one think...wonder, question, etc. Then the answers need to come from within.
Each of the G. books, or what fragments are left, offers a complimentary aspect to the same sayings.
Choose from the One Tree.
Abandon the tree of division.
WE resurrect as I AM.
asachildtobecome 2 years ago
You have it Backwards, they are not Cryptic or Gnostic. They offered a Direct connection to God, through Jesus' Words. We tried keep the River open not narrowed.They are not "Obvious" because some of them needed to survive intact to today without Redaction. You might want to check out What the students of Jesus that followed his Brother Thomas after Jesus Died. We are reaching out to the Trinitarians to share what you should know right now. Peace,
Angel Eliza, Minister in the Church of Thomas.
angeleliza41 2 years ago
@angeleliza41 Can You Find The Quote From Jesus that Is Referring to Reborn or Removing Ones Sins? I Can...Can You?
reverendjohnsloan1 2 years ago
Actual content is only slightly touched on. Thomas Gospel was the find of the 20th century (Prof.Quispel).
Read Thomas Gospel, think about it.
Haasenpad 2 years ago
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ArgusSlayer 2 years ago
Correction: There's not a single word or promise about eternal life in the Gospel of Thomas. The focus is on this only life that we have and will ever have. The promise is: You shall not TASTE death, i.e. you won't be concerned about it while you're alive.
ArgusSlayer 2 years ago 2
@ArgusSlayer Your Wrong..Gospel of Thomas...has Reborn in it...I know where it is...Can You Find It?
reverendjohnsloan1 2 years ago
Your Wrong...Jesus meant.. You will Live Forever. And Yes..You Will Not Be concerned or Fear Death!
reverendjohnsloan1 2 years ago
The Gospel of Thomas does seem to be more of a conversational Jesus than what we have in the canonical gospels.
TheJerMac 2 years ago 3
You are Definitely Correct ! But there is more than You Know about Thomas Gospel. Jesus told Thomas Things that Were only Revealed To Thomas And Not Other Apostles....
reverendjohnsloan1 2 years ago
The irony is that reading Thomas you intuitively feel closer to the real Jesus than in the "authorised" gospels.
byronic80 2 years ago 10
@byronic80 What does that mean, "intuitively feel closer"? You mean to say that this is a Jesus that you can better relate to? A Jesus who speaks "secretly" with esoteric knowledge only to those who are deemed worthy of hearing? And how could the Gospel of Thomas have been "earlier" than the synoptics if it has material that is verbatim from the Gospel of John, which wasn't written down until 90-100 AD?
Overbeek1991 1 year ago
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silverbackman 1 year ago