Hagin didn't write his books, I hear. Others wrote books out of the transcripts of his sermon. He had a unusual memory and could quote a quarter of the New Testament without trying to memorize it. If he quoted Kenyon, it could have been unintentional. The comment about supernatural things dying out in the NT doesn't hold up to scrutiny, btw.
Setting aside context of Paul's comments, if they want to apply 'going beyond what is written in this way', doesn't it apply to limiting what God cannot do as much as it do to saying what God can do? If God didn't make someone fall under the power (though there are Biblical examples) , that wouldn't prove He couldn't do so. Saying otherwise is adding something.
@SaudaraLink God didn't make people fall under His power- they voluntarily prostrated themselves before Him. Mostly out of fear for who was before them and His complete holiness. Of course you can argue "wouldn't prove He couldn't do so" but neither does that prove that he does do so! It's a "roundabout" argument that leads nowhere fast. Better to stay within the bounds of Scripture- you are free to prostrate before the Lord but the Spirit "slaying"? Not in there.
@TheB1nary It would seem the people in the garden falling on their backs when Jesus said, "I am" was not voluntary. The priests in the temple were not able to stand to minister. That doesn't sound like voluntary prostration.
@SaudaraLink Nor does it sound like "being slain in the Spirit", after all the people in the garden falling when Jesus spoke "I am" was either fear over His declaration or else fear because He made the declaration. They were arresting Him for (they believed) wrongly stating that He was equal with God. Think about that. And the priests in the temple? Are you sure this is a valid precedent for being slain in the Spirit? Really???
@TheB1nary At times at least, this is not something people choose to do, so your 'valid precedent' thing doesn't quite make sense. God is God. If priests could not stand up when his kavod filled, then we should acknowledge there may be times when God's glory might make it difficult for people to stand. Did the men in the garden fall because of fear? That's speculation. It makes more sense for the soldiers at the tomb, perhaps, who also fell down when the angels came.
The case here against 'slain in the Spirit' is weak. The term is a rather poor term to describe it. Sometimes I think people fall back because the preacher is pushing on their head.
Hagin didn't write his books, I hear. Others wrote books out of the transcripts of his sermon. He had a unusual memory and could quote a quarter of the New Testament without trying to memorize it. If he quoted Kenyon, it could have been unintentional. The comment about supernatural things dying out in the NT doesn't hold up to scrutiny, btw.
SaudaraLink 1 year ago
Setting aside context of Paul's comments, if they want to apply 'going beyond what is written in this way', doesn't it apply to limiting what God cannot do as much as it do to saying what God can do? If God didn't make someone fall under the power (though there are Biblical examples) , that wouldn't prove He couldn't do so. Saying otherwise is adding something.
SaudaraLink 1 year ago
@SaudaraLink God didn't make people fall under His power- they voluntarily prostrated themselves before Him. Mostly out of fear for who was before them and His complete holiness. Of course you can argue "wouldn't prove He couldn't do so" but neither does that prove that he does do so! It's a "roundabout" argument that leads nowhere fast. Better to stay within the bounds of Scripture- you are free to prostrate before the Lord but the Spirit "slaying"? Not in there.
TheB1nary 3 weeks ago
@TheB1nary It would seem the people in the garden falling on their backs when Jesus said, "I am" was not voluntary. The priests in the temple were not able to stand to minister. That doesn't sound like voluntary prostration.
SaudaraLink 3 weeks ago
@SaudaraLink Nor does it sound like "being slain in the Spirit", after all the people in the garden falling when Jesus spoke "I am" was either fear over His declaration or else fear because He made the declaration. They were arresting Him for (they believed) wrongly stating that He was equal with God. Think about that. And the priests in the temple? Are you sure this is a valid precedent for being slain in the Spirit? Really???
TheB1nary 2 weeks ago
@TheB1nary At times at least, this is not something people choose to do, so your 'valid precedent' thing doesn't quite make sense. God is God. If priests could not stand up when his kavod filled, then we should acknowledge there may be times when God's glory might make it difficult for people to stand. Did the men in the garden fall because of fear? That's speculation. It makes more sense for the soldiers at the tomb, perhaps, who also fell down when the angels came.
SaudaraLink 2 weeks ago
The case here against 'slain in the Spirit' is weak. The term is a rather poor term to describe it. Sometimes I think people fall back because the preacher is pushing on their head.
SaudaraLink 1 year ago