If everybody in the world withdrew all their money from their bank accounts and not go to work a day, the same day, that would give a nice heads up to everyone. Imagine the same scenario for a week - huge loss. What about for an unlimited period of time? They would crumble.
@ratedrsuperstar6666 long time...look at the growth rate..it stagnated on 25th of sept. Might feature this again in my Project Z-Feed here on youtube.
"You really don't care. You don't care for your children if they get murdered. If you had, you would prevent all wars! So, apparently none of these things mean anything to you!"
These statements mean so much to me. They alone are the driving forces behind my ambition.
@voiceofreason467 As I mentioned before, when I first discovered TZM I was impressed by its apparent rationalism; at last, there was a group (besides transhumanists, who've been advocating these things for decades) that realized that automation (= technology) is ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL for improving society and liberating mankind from the curse of (artificial) scarcity and wage slavery. Or so it seemed. In reality, TZM is just a (too) loose collective of mostly traditional, clueless lefties. Fail.
@voiceofreason467 "the Economy is not a natural byproduct, it is a construct of civilization just like moral "norms," nation states, and even legislative government."
Actually, civilization as a whole is a natural byproduct. We are genetically predetermined to fight over resources and to create ever larger hierarchical groups (among other things). The evolution from small hunter gatherer tribes smashing each other with rocks to giant nation states bombing each other's cities is 'natural'.
@voiceofreason467 "You do realize that their is no such thing, beauty and ugly are all relative again to your upbringing and culture."
Bull. Google 'Golden Ratio for beauty'. Physical attraction is based on certain universal rules. Beauty is all about ratio, and ultimately physical fitness. Culture can cause us to prefer certain details over others, but at the end of the day we all want a fit mate with good proportions. Babies naturally prefer pretty faces over ugly ones, look it up.
@voiceofreason467 "For example, some cultures hold that exercising physical strength and fighting people over means of conflict is a show of great respect and strength, whereas in other cultures it's a sign of weakness and worthy of disrespect if you cannot find a way first to resolve a conflict without resorting to physical violence."
So where did these different values originally come from, eh? Can't blame 'social' factors for everything.
@voiceofreason467 Groups of people we commonly call 'races' clearly have different *average* intelligence and temperament. Belonging to a certain race doesn't automatically make you smart, dumb, calm, aggressive etc, but it does make it more likely that you have a certain combination of traits. How much of this is nature or nurture isn't quite clear yet, but it *is* obvious that there are limits to what upbringing can do, and that you can't just blame the 3rd world's failure on colonialism etc
It seems that for many lefty secularists evolutionary theory has become something of a religion. They see 'the natural order' as something beautiful, balanced, sophisticated etc; as something that shouldn't be questioned but just accepted, even though it's even more brutal and inefficient than capitalism. They are fools and hypocrites, who talk the talk but don't walk the walk, because the latter would mean living like an animal.
@voiceofreason467 Capitalism mimics evolution in its brutality, inefficiency, and lack of higher goals. Evolution is a continuous struggle for dominance & resources that pits (groups of) animals against each other, and capitalism does the same with people. In evolution animal species are regularly wiped out more or less arbitrarily, and the same happens in capitalism with products and companies. Neither system is truly meritocratic, and neither system tries to become something better.
The idea for the zeigeist movement although interesting to think about will never work sure people will all get mad one day but in the end it will probally just be in the form of traditional revolution and nothing will really get done. Not to say that we shouldn't try and do it the right way just that people like to stick to what they know.
Evolution simply put is adaptation. If you adapt to a cold climate you are evolving . Evolution at its earliest form. Science aids us and helps us . We can adapt to using science in our everyday lives, and possiabley evolve into humans of our own design.
I'm new to all this, i agree with it all, like i already knew it, it all makes perfect sense.
But how do we change governments and people who are not willing to listen most people i talk to about it think im nuts. I worry it will not change in time
@PepperNinja0069 yes didnt you lose all your sense of self control? ( joke) some people dont understand sarcasm - i wish it were possible to flash a suare and some sounds at people and make them throw non stop conditioning of mass media - but its not - you should study what this movement is about and how we can make things dreat for all people amd the planet - if we throw off the shackles of profit and the inhumanity of working against someone else - we can do so much more together
In other words, if we have the potential to offer every single human being the best nutrition, education, health care and social stability what's there to be afraid? Really this outdated socioeconomic system must go, it has come to pass that humans will follow the course of natural evolution and collective consciousness!
Evolution is inevitable, but when nature is repressed, it only slows the process. I dream of one day waking up to a world that is not filled with one minded parasites.
W.e dis shit is bullshit.u want the solution take your money outhe bank and everyone stop wrking.lets see wat these demons will do.there will never be a perfect world.power corrupts.
@AllithiaReid "As for nature,well,I don't know what to tell you if you don't see the intelligence at work in the grand orchestration of the universe.Pick up a book on quantum physics or even just the human body!"
Look at the world around you, it's a mess. Entropy destroys everything, including planets, stars, and eventually the universe itself. Humans and animals suffer and die in countless ways. Pointlessly, as none of this will lead anywhere (sun dies, lights out). So yeah, fuck 'nature'.
@AllithiaReid We are a flawed design regardless of wanting to live forever; aging is just of our many defects.
"I am more concerned with our species surviving at all."
Wow, how noble and selfless of you! News flash: unless we (at the very least) colonize space, we'll sooner or later go the way of the dinosaur. Guaranteed. Technology is crucial for both our survival as individuals and as a species.
The structural problem we face in our society is as a result of the taking of our liberties & the that power comes with it. The economy is fake because it's not free, it's imposed upon by government intervention thus artificial. We have succumbed to the idea that the government must provide all basic human needs through bureaucracies & deny any other possibilities for how basic human needs can be more than achieved for all. Liberty is empowering the individual thus unleashing the mind!
Anyone who is against Zeitgeist/ Venus Project deserve the crap they are in. That is my opinion and then again I love you all, ye are my brothers/sisters and we all only have one home. We are Earthlings nothing more nothing less so lets all unite and make this home the heaven we all know it can and should be!
@TheFreedomforall2011 Part 1 on religion will always be my favorite. Religion remains a serious issue. I'm disappointed TZGM chose to leave part 1 & Acharya behind. Acharya substantiated part 1 more than anyone has for any other part & she wrote the Sourcebook - so, I'm disgusted with TZGM for not supporting her efforts to return the favor. They wouldn't even share Acharya's new Mythicist Position video to TZGM members so they could be made aware that it even existed!!!!!!
Beautiful work! I had chills and tears coming to my eyes, and mind opening up, and all this trembling inside, and wanting to be out there, and inspire the change, and see the better world.
@Parapon3ra One more question.On what basis do you deem our biology weak and flawed?Because we age,get sick,and die?I thought that just made us subject to the same laws as everything else in nature!Rather,it is our choice to resist these laws that has led to our suffering and decline as a species.Our future prosperity lies in a deeper inquiry into nature and the laws that shape the universe.Intelligent design can only be a product of our respect for universal law, not trying to step outside it.
@AllithiaReid Although i generally agree with what you're saying we must not be rigid in our belief of scientific proces. There are certain situations that we cannot duplicate and if we are too understand certain mysteries we must observe with a more open mid.
@northwestblazinfire I absolutely agree that rigidity of any kind will only hinder us in our evolution of consciousness. Observation of what is, without attachment or bias, is the only way to see clearly.
@AllithiaReid "On what basis do you deem our biology weak and flawed?Because we age,get sick,and die?"
Yes, among other things. The too narrow female pelvis, cancer, lethal allergic reactions & autoimmune diseases, and aging are all evidence of a flawed 'design'.
The 'laws' of nature are simply the way things currently are, there is no wisdom or intelligence behind them, and they sure as hell weren't created for our benefit. Nature (evolution) isn't a god, and doesn't deserve your worship.
@moochabod I suggest you look up the TED talks about transhumanism (Aubrey de Grey, Ray Kurzweil, Nick Bostrom). Evolution created a hell of suffering and death, but intelligent design can create a heaven of infinite pleasure and happiness. We are all natural born transhumanists; we use technology to improve and extend our lives on a daily basis. All this sanctimonious 'accepting the natural order' (i.e. death, suffering, entropy) BS is in fact UNNATURAL.
@Parapon3ra i'm aware of the inevitability of genetic manipulation and potential for good AND bad.noone denies the technology exists.also, who says nature should care about one species?nature's in favor of and dependent on balance only.i also know that living forever has no merit for life,as our only natural function is to copy and die.no progress comes from immortality. these things are for selfish reasons only.it's bad for the planet. it may be good or bad for us, but it is NOT natural
@moochabod "i also know that living forever has no merit for life,as our only natural function is to copy and die.no progress comes from immortality."
Fuck our 'natural function' (if such a thing even exists; nature has no goals and no purpose); suffering, disesease & death SUCK, and need to be eliminated, just like capitalism (=evolutiony principles applied to economics) needs to be eliminated. Is this really so difficult to understand? Btw, progress comes from science, not evolution.
@Parapon3ra oh, i thought that we were arguing about facts and things that are actually real, not arbitrary vague statements about how you might feel about your existence. yeah, we all agree, dying sucks, but scientifically, does it "need to be eliminated"? no. not according to basic sustainability. not according to any real axiom of logic. and you are in a TZM video, we all know capitalism is flawed. what are you trying to say? and science is evolution. they work by trial and error, mr. smarty
@Parapon3ra@Parapon3ra scientific theory is also a TOOL that could explain if dying needs to be eliminated by any scientific reasoning.did that go above your head?and how does logic serve emotion?an axiom is an irrefutable truth- yeah;very emotional.you spew this rhetoric like its your second nature.i must commend you for that.also,noone glorrified evolution.you think we are not evolving right now through science?science is evolution,only until you give us your revolutionary methods,that is.
@moochabod "cientific theory is also a TOOL that could explain if dying needs to be eliminated by any scientific reasoning."
We don't need science to tell us that disease, aging & death suck; good old common sense will do just fine.
"and how does logic serve emotion?"
Everything starts with emotion; everything from basic desires to lofty ideals is ultimately emotional, subjective, and (largely) arbitrary. Logic can merely make us more efficient at achieving emotional objectives.
@Parapon3ra again with the circular logic, sigh.MY POINT WAS that you assume you speak as the sole voice of the universe.you say death "needs" to be eliminated.that's YOUR POV.you SHOULD say"i don't want to die".you think you're entitled to immortality but you're not.death and desease are mear wieghts in the balance of life.our immunities and proficiencies are the counter weights.i AM SPEAKING LOGICALLY, NOT EMOTIONALLY, because of course i don't want to die either.see, science can be objective.
@moochabod "and science is evolution. they work by trial and error, mr. smarty"
Science has and serves specific goals, evolution just happens. Trial & error is a primitive, slow, and wasteful process that will gruadually be phased out as science advances and our knowledge of the universe increases.
@Parapon3ra i'll tell you the goal of science, as a whole;TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE.applications are what you are talking about.because if science isn't objective,it isn't science.didn't you watch the video i recommended.it shows the application of very fast paced evolution of design.you take a design,the computer will model it and make random variations,then pick the most efficient,and repeat.it is VERY efficient.too much so to even understand why the designs work so well.
@Parapon3ra also, you seem to believe that humans are somehow devine or special, and actually matter to the universe. what meaning we aquire comes only from ourselves, but i assure you, it is arbitrary and certainly not universal. poor us and animals have to suffer and die :(. guess what; the universe doesn't care. that's what's supposed to happen and it's not fair. if we do something else, that's fine, but don't presume that for some reason it "shouldn't be this way".
@moochabod You're right, the universe doesn't give a fuck about us (or anything else). There is no plan and no purpose, just shit happening because it can. So what? Aging, disease & suffering are simply engineering problems that can be solved with reason, science & technology. Just Do It.
@Parapon3ra It seems we are getting hung up on semantics here. I do not see anything as existing outside of evolution. Even "intelligent design" is an evolutionary response to all the factors that preceded it. You want to separate "intelligent design" from evolution whereas I see intelligent design as a byproduct of evolution. It's all connected. My question to you is what do you define as intelligent design? What does that look like to you?
Fact: Every human on the planet could be fed several times over. THe problem is not technical, but "financial" The whole world could be run by renewable energy. If we spent the war-money on creation instead, the world could have adundance. Not a technical problem, a "traditional" one.
Question? WHAT THE FUCK DONT WE DO THIS RIGHT NOW!!?
guy's u have to watch the real speecht from that girl at 10:03. really really good. And he speaks to grown up how don¨t seem to care at all. Just search for the girl how made the world silence for 5 min
I understand where the "utopia" reference come from. Jaque Fresco, when introducing the Venus Project, assured people that there would be no war, poverty, famine, police, and so on. It sounds very idealistic, it would have been much better to express what he generally talks about when more in depth about the RBE: "it is not a perfect society, it is just much better than the one we have now", which means less wars, less poverty, less famine and less police.
I'm totally behind this movement and am moved by each and every film. I hope one day this vision of a better world is realised and will dedicate my life to this end.
Utopia is an Absolute state. And as everyone knows... NOTHING IS ABSOLUTE. Therefore TZM is not Utopian... it is merely an enhanced version of the current... nothing new here.. think of how far we have come! It never stops changing and growing... it flows like a river forever and ever... LONG after we are gone. Nothing to fear. Just thank ourselves for the Internet. BTW... Learn how to Critically Think... learn to Program in C on the computer... training your brain in LOGIC.
@freeadplanet great to see a C programmer. I guess only people with an already developed logic background can understand the values proposed by these complex set of ideas.
Some people might want to skip computer programming and at least understand basic formal logic and critical thinking. But there's no way to cheat to a computer, so verify logic is to compile your source code and verify. So, yes, ultimately computer programming is the ultimate tool for building a solid base for logic.
Where was this before the Media Festival? Oh well. The Toronto one went very well. Go TZM!!! I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS VIDEO. IT'S TO RE-EVALUATE OUR VALUES PEOPLE. SEE LOVE NOT FEAR. WE ARE ONE!!!!!!!!
Excellent work. Please consider outputting these in 1080p so they can be downloaded and distributed in high definition. Perfect material for viewing after a few glasses and a joint or ten.
that was extremely uplifting and powerful. even though i have heard a lot of those quotes before, it was the ultimate bundle of information. I love the bill hicks stuff, what a beautiful way to honor him. TZM/TVP/Post Scarcity Anarchism provide bulletproof 2+2=4 explanations for global sustainability. We will spread positive propaganda like a virus.
@tallicalad Did you see or hear anything related to an RBE in this video?? That's not what it's about and that's not even what TZM is mostly about. If you don't like my model, build your own - John Rogers. In other words, if you don't like the RBE, than build your own. An RBE is actually a logical and necessary transition from an economy, such as ours. Albeit, it is an extreme project.
A profound political question is suddenly on the table: Must the country continue to give precedence to private financial gain and market determinism over human lives and broad public values?
I love everything TZM and TVP does. I want to comment on Peter Joseph's amazing skill as a music composer. Compelling music in all his films. Great job PJ!
Nice video, but imo its potentially powerful message is somewhat compromised by the retro-naive love, peace & unity talk. We are not 'one'. We are, generally speaking, a territorial, hierarchical, aggressive species, and if you want to change that you'll need to bring out the big guns like psychotropic drugs and genetic engineering. Talk alone won't cut it; it didn't work in the '60s, and it won't work now. Human nature, like everything else, is an engineering issue.
@Parapon3ra are you trolling or are you really that unfamiliar with tzm? it is about changing the VALUES of society through education and addressing the root causes of aberrant behavior. what you speak of are examples of the said aberrant behaviors. talk leads to action, and the more educated people are, the more likely they will ascend the illnesses of society. also, in the 60s, they did not have anywhere near the capacity to communicate on such a massive scale.
@moochabod I know what TZM is about, and I largely agree, but I think it's fundamentally wrong re [its denial of] 'human nature'. Society's messed up values are a manifestation of our messed up evolutionary heritage; they are the effect, not the cause. Think about it... evolution is like capitalism: amoral, unguided, brutal, and terribly wasteful. It is only natural that we, as the products of a flawed and primitive process, are flawed and primitive as well. Only technology can fix this.
@worldpeace05 Human behavior is flexible *within certain limits*, it is not a blank slate. What was shaped by millions of years of evolution can't be changed with a few words. Evolution is a messy process, therefore we are messy as well. Get over it and start fixing it.
Also, regardless whether you think it's nature or nurture, the simple fact it that we live in a world where psychosis (regarding the economy, religion, death etc.) is the norm. Most people are too messed up to listen to reason.
@Parapon3ra Once again, you are stating observation; not causality. And in the end- it doesn't matter. either we move into such a system or we ALL parish. Your choice. And people are not blank slates- but they are formed by culture fundamentally as far as values. it is all that is needed to make this work.
@worldpeace05 "you are stating observation; not causality"
I'm simply stating the obvious. If certain behaviors consistently manifest themselves across ages and cultures, they're almost certainly hardwired, i.e. part of 'human nature'.
"in the end- it doesn't matter. either we move into such a system or we ALL parish."
You're right, in the end it doesn't matter what we say or believe; technological developments will shape the future, as they always have.
@Parapon3ra I agree that society's values are the effect, not the cause. Yet evolution is not like capitalism. Evolution is a natural fluid response of an organism to its changing environment for the purpose of its survival. Rather than being wasteful, it is an incredibly efficient facet of nature. Capitalism, on the other hand, is an attempt to manipulate and control nature, not a response of the organism to nature.
@AllithiaReid 1) It took evolution several roughly 3.5 BILLION years to create a truly intelligent species (us). It took us only approx. 10,000 years to get from stone age to space age, and within a few decades we'll have created intelligences smarter than ourselves. In other words, evolution is slow and inefficient compared to 'intelligent design'. 2) Evolution allowed countless species to go extinct (for no good reason), and didn't manage to save a single individual. Therefore, it is wasteful.
@Parapon3ra '3.5 billion yrs to create an intelligent species''10000 yrs from stone to space age''evolution is slow compared to intelligent design'wtf.we have never designed ourselves.and if evolution is wasteful for dying species,life is wasteful for dying individuals,that's an irrelivent arguement.and you assume that we can ever understand our lives enough to manipulate them safely without destroying our species forever.also,idealism is the only thing to ever produce social change
@moochabod No, of course we didn't design ourselves, but we did create culture and technology. With genetic engineering, bionic implants, nanotechnology, and other advanced near-future tech we can finally start redesigning ourselves. Is this potentially dangerous? Perhaps, but we're all dead anyway thanks to evolution's sloppy, lazy programming, so nothing to lose.
"idealism is the only thing to ever produce social change"
Idealism without technology is just wishful thinking.
@Parapon3ra idealism is why we don't aren't openly racist,sexist, or sexually and religiously chauvanistic.these things have greatly reduced the amount of hate in the world,and had nothing to do with technology and the more they are swept to the back of our conciousness,the less likely they will infect the next generation.we are talking about VAlUES here;not physically enhancing tech.if you raise a hitler,they will be hitler.if you raise a ghandi,they will be ghandi.you can't dispute that
@moochabod "idealism is why we don't aren't openly racist,sexist, or sexually and religiously chauvanistic."
Actually, it was scientific and technological progress that (at least partially) ended slavery (mechanization and industrialization made traditional slave labor largely redundant), castrated religion (Darwin etc), and gave the women's rights movement teeth (in the form of effective, user friendly contraceptives). Idealism without technology = wishful thinking. Also, Ghandi is overrated.
@Parapon3ra so before, idealism without technology=useless, now its wishful thinking. so by your reasoning, there's some technological deficiency that compels us to treat each other with judgement and hostility, and has nothing to do with the social, economic and educational environment? also, without industrialisation, slavery is inescapable? and without birth control, women are still less than men? that's a reach, to say the least. our minds are more capable than you apparently think.
@moochabod Nature made us unequal. It burdened women with pregnancy & childbirth, made them (generally) smaller and weaker than men, made certain groups of people ('races') smarter than others, made some of us strong and beautiful, and others ugly and weak etc. Inequality is the default, the 'natural order'. It's a genetic thing that can't be fixed with idealism alone. Technology is the great equalizer, the only thing that can fundamentally challenge the tyranny of nature.
@Parapon3ra so what i understand,basically,is that you believe that people are inherently evil,i.e.born into sin,lol.what you suggest ignores the fact that humans have never lived in an abundant society,and have never created a system based on one,so we have always had to compete for resources.also,you ignore the fact that this competitive "nature" is instilled in us by almost every facet of our environment.some of us know that humans can BE more because we ARE more,now,so we believe in others
@moochabod What I believe is that certain behaviors, some good, some harmful, have been hardwired by millions of years of evolution. If basics like food, energy & housing are no longer issues, we'll just fight over other, more trivial things (hell, we already do). Not all of us, but enough of us to mess things up. Compared to people from the stone age or even the 19th century we live like kings, yet there's still plenty of violence, hatred, and other (unnecessary) problems. That's human nature.
@Parapon3ra so you are totally ignoring the whitehall study,which indubatably shows that the reason for sickness and violence is inequality.that's like,one of the foundimental understandings of TZM.i don't think you know as much as you'd have us believe about TZM.you're arguing in circular logic,and seem to only want to WIN;not actually get somewhere in these discussions. some people illogically refuse logic no matter what the cost, because of a previous belief and will never be enlightened
@moochabod One study explains everything, awesome! (yes that's sarcasm). No, dude, the reason for sickness is our weak biology, and violence is part of human nature (though it can indeed be worsened by inequality). TZM has some nice ideas, but its naive leftist dogmas will be its undoing. The bitter irony of TZM is that its most valuable insight (automation = liberation) also tends to be the most ignored by its fanbois.
@Parapon3ra Also, give me a link to reliable research program/s that prove violence is part of human nature. For example, I watched a documentary of inuits( or might have been some other aboriginal group of people) long time a go, and they barely had any criminals. Very peaceful society. There are many small societies like that, and suprise suprise, they're all pretty isolated from rest of the world and it's values.
@Parapon3ra first,human nature cannot be studied absent an environment.that arguement's a simple cop out that ignores the fact that if a person's raised with what they need and without what is detrimental,they will be loving,caring,moral individuals;like i said:you can't argue that.and our biology is amazing.we have a system that adapts to desease automatically,and you think pharmaceuticals want to cure desease if they did,they would.also, idk who you think ignores the imprtance of automation
@moochabod "ignores the fact that if a person's raised with what they need and without what is detrimental,they will be loving,caring,moral individuals"
That is a totally unfounded assumption. Some people are simply born 'evil', look up psychopathy on Wiki. The rest will be influenced by both genetic and environmental factors to varying degrees. The point is that even a 'perfect' environment, there would still be (plenty of) trouble because human psychology is imperfect and often irrational.
@Parapon3ra unfounded? it is founded by the fact that most all criminals come from poverty. it's founded by the fact that almost all violent offenders were victems of violence or grew up in a violen evironment. it is founded by the fact that crime DIRECTLY coresponds with the equality level of the society. genetics respond to environments too. what is the founding of your belief in inherent evil? i know; the status quo and the bible.
@moochabod "our biology is amazing.we have a system that adapts to desease automatically"
Tell that to all the people who died of cancer, heart disease, AIDS etc.etc. etc. Also there's the little issue of aging...
"you think pharmaceuticals want to cure desease if they did,they would."
I know the pharmaceutical industry isn't interested in curing disease, one of the many side effects of capitalism. That doesn't change the fact though that only science & technology can fix the human condition.
@Parapon3ra cancer is caused largely by radiation and various pollutants caused by our system trying to be profitable. heart desease is caused by obesity, stress, poverty, bad nutrition and values, caused by the system. stress makes us vulnerable to viruses and bacteria along with poor nutrition etc. etc.etc. technology is going great places for medicine, and noone disputed that.
@moochabod "idk who you think ignores the imprtance of automation"
Practically everyone, even within Zeitgeist. This video basically proves my point; it's all about feelgood idealism, and hardly about practical solutions. That's a real shame, as the realization that a RBE, and better world in general, is impossible without automation (technology) is the only thing that sets TZM apart from other utopian lefty movements (which want to go 'back to nature' etc.).
@Parapon3ra okay, go to the TZM chanel and try to find another abstract video dealing solely with "feelgood idealism". the fact is, almost all their posts are education on why our current system sucks, and what to do to fix it, and why. automation is very important, again, i don't know why you think people ignore it, but education of why our system is flawed and what we can do is far more important because they are the fundimentals of the movement, and without them, automation simply takes jobs
@Parapon3ra one scientific, repeatable study only proves that the health of people(mental, physical, and social) is dependant on the equality level of the environment in which they are. that's actually very profound. nowhere did i say it proves anything else. your beloved automation, by the way, actually requires a leftist sentiment to be possible; automation=no purchasing power= no capitalism. :)
@worldpeace05 I'm pretty sure this video isn't meant to be sarcastic, if that's what you mean. Peter Joseph seems to think idealsm and education can change the world, but it doesn't work like that. Greed, envy, fear, ignorance & aggression will prevent people from embracing a resource based economy, or at least from implementing it successfully. The first step towards fixing a problem is recognizing it exists. Human nature is real, but it can be changed with technology.
@laitela01 If you keep denying human nature, or the fundamental messiness of our species, you will fail like the communists have failed before you. What's your problem, anyway? If you understand and accept that technology (automation) can fix our economy, then why not accept that it can fix our biology as well? EVERYTHING is an engineering issue, get it?
@laitela01 Human nature are those characteristics and behaviors that can be observed across ages and cultures, and can therefore be deemed (more or less) universal. It's things like envy, lust & greed, but also love and the desire to be free; things that may be temporarily suppressed through social engineering, but never fully eliminated.
"What the hell are you suggesting then? Transhumanism?"
Indeed. If TZM is serious about making life better for everyone, it needs to embrace transhumanism.
@Parapon3ra Well of course people had those features since there was scarcity and culture had immense control over people since it was all they had. You realize that there were those type of traits in the past. But ignore the environmental factors that cause it. Transhumanism extends human capabilities but it can't change someones neuron connections in brains to make him behave different way..
@laitela01 Transhumanism, or rather the advanced technologies it predicts and promotes, can change literally everything, including the way our brains work. In fact, we can already change people's minds through neurosurgery, brain implants, and drugs. It's all a bit crude and hit & miss now, but it won't be like that forever. Transhumanism is change we *really* can believe in.
@Parapon3ra You know, it's not really stable to relay on something in it's very early stages. I mean, human nature cannot be determined just by observing how people lived in the past, they had all "brainwashed" values due to dominant cultures and now when we have a bit more choices... I don't need to be greedy if I have abundance on everything I need. And people who are rich won't need to steal from stores.. It's conditioning that makes our personalities, genes give ways to react to enviroment.
@laitela01 Assuming you're right (which I doubt), how are you going to change centuries of social conditioning -- with a bunch of videos? Good luck with that...
@Parapon3ra 1. It's not going to be bunch of videos.
2. we are different from rest of the animals, our heads grow after the birth and that is what makes us who we are. From genetic point of view, what my ancestors did might have affect on me. Like some rather disease. Other than that, you can grow a kid to adopt any culture. I advocate RBE. So it would take a change in thinking from others too. TZM tries to achieve that.
Ok, enough philosophy, been there I thought this up in 1998. Anyone gotta plan? First step? Further steps..?
Or should we just keep on waxing lyrically:-?
hellooooo000 2 months ago
His stage performance, playing that background music by himself, was also unbelievable, would be great to see it uploaded if it was recorded. :)
avashurov 3 months ago
If everybody in the world withdrew all their money from their bank accounts and not go to work a day, the same day, that would give a nice heads up to everyone. Imagine the same scenario for a week - huge loss. What about for an unlimited period of time? They would crumble.
khameeleeon 4 months ago
Amazing work, what an artist!!!
nengisuls 4 months ago
when will it reach 1 Million views?
ratedrsuperstar6666 4 months ago
@ratedrsuperstar6666 long time...look at the growth rate..it stagnated on 25th of sept. Might feature this again in my Project Z-Feed here on youtube.
Seventy4K 4 months ago
"You really don't care. You don't care for your children if they get murdered. If you had, you would prevent all wars! So, apparently none of these things mean anything to you!"
These statements mean so much to me. They alone are the driving forces behind my ambition.
Peter1992t 4 months ago in playlist Peter1992t's Favorited Videos
@voiceofreason467 As I mentioned before, when I first discovered TZM I was impressed by its apparent rationalism; at last, there was a group (besides transhumanists, who've been advocating these things for decades) that realized that automation (= technology) is ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL for improving society and liberating mankind from the curse of (artificial) scarcity and wage slavery. Or so it seemed. In reality, TZM is just a (too) loose collective of mostly traditional, clueless lefties. Fail.
Parapon3ra 4 months ago
@voiceofreason467 "the Economy is not a natural byproduct, it is a construct of civilization just like moral "norms," nation states, and even legislative government."
Actually, civilization as a whole is a natural byproduct. We are genetically predetermined to fight over resources and to create ever larger hierarchical groups (among other things). The evolution from small hunter gatherer tribes smashing each other with rocks to giant nation states bombing each other's cities is 'natural'.
Parapon3ra 4 months ago
@voiceofreason467 "You do realize that their is no such thing, beauty and ugly are all relative again to your upbringing and culture."
Bull. Google 'Golden Ratio for beauty'. Physical attraction is based on certain universal rules. Beauty is all about ratio, and ultimately physical fitness. Culture can cause us to prefer certain details over others, but at the end of the day we all want a fit mate with good proportions. Babies naturally prefer pretty faces over ugly ones, look it up.
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@voiceofreason467 "For example, some cultures hold that exercising physical strength and fighting people over means of conflict is a show of great respect and strength, whereas in other cultures it's a sign of weakness and worthy of disrespect if you cannot find a way first to resolve a conflict without resorting to physical violence."
So where did these different values originally come from, eh? Can't blame 'social' factors for everything.
Parapon3ra 4 months ago
@voiceofreason467 Groups of people we commonly call 'races' clearly have different *average* intelligence and temperament. Belonging to a certain race doesn't automatically make you smart, dumb, calm, aggressive etc, but it does make it more likely that you have a certain combination of traits. How much of this is nature or nurture isn't quite clear yet, but it *is* obvious that there are limits to what upbringing can do, and that you can't just blame the 3rd world's failure on colonialism etc
Parapon3ra 4 months ago
@voiceofreason467 "What does Darwin have to do with religion?"
It seems that for many lefty secularists evolutionary theory has become something of a religion. They see 'the natural order' as something beautiful, balanced, sophisticated etc; as something that shouldn't be questioned but just accepted, even though it's even more brutal and inefficient than capitalism. They are fools and hypocrites, who talk the talk but don't walk the walk, because the latter would mean living like an animal.
Parapon3ra 4 months ago
@voiceofreason467 Capitalism mimics evolution in its brutality, inefficiency, and lack of higher goals. Evolution is a continuous struggle for dominance & resources that pits (groups of) animals against each other, and capitalism does the same with people. In evolution animal species are regularly wiped out more or less arbitrarily, and the same happens in capitalism with products and companies. Neither system is truly meritocratic, and neither system tries to become something better.
Parapon3ra 4 months ago
The idea for the zeigeist movement although interesting to think about will never work sure people will all get mad one day but in the end it will probally just be in the form of traditional revolution and nothing will really get done. Not to say that we shouldn't try and do it the right way just that people like to stick to what they know.
duces02 4 months ago
Evolution simply put is adaptation. If you adapt to a cold climate you are evolving . Evolution at its earliest form. Science aids us and helps us . We can adapt to using science in our everyday lives, and possiabley evolve into humans of our own design.
OakTheDestroyer 5 months ago
OCCUPY WALL STREET!!!
1979bastardo 5 months ago
damn Peter you're a great musician
slamblambacid 5 months ago 12
I'm new to all this, i agree with it all, like i already knew it, it all makes perfect sense.
But how do we change governments and people who are not willing to listen most people i talk to about it think im nuts. I worry it will not change in time
rosscobosco 5 months ago
what's the deal with that thing at the beginning? is it some sort of hypnosis technique?
PepperNinja0069 5 months ago
@PepperNinja0069 yes didnt you lose all your sense of self control?
MrIzzyDizzy 5 months ago
@PepperNinja0069 yes didnt you lose all your sense of self control? ( joke) some people dont understand sarcasm - i wish it were possible to flash a suare and some sounds at people and make them throw non stop conditioning of mass media - but its not - you should study what this movement is about and how we can make things dreat for all people amd the planet - if we throw off the shackles of profit and the inhumanity of working against someone else - we can do so much more together
MrIzzyDizzy 5 months ago
wow. That was powerful. Wish I could have been at the ZM Media festival to see it live.
vchampea88 5 months ago
you guys could have edited " the golden age" by kreator at the end
jorn1233 5 months ago
those polyrythmic beats are awesome what is this music called?
jorn1233 5 months ago
In other words, if we have the potential to offer every single human being the best nutrition, education, health care and social stability what's there to be afraid? Really this outdated socioeconomic system must go, it has come to pass that humans will follow the course of natural evolution and collective consciousness!
IgnotusPerIgnotium 5 months ago
Love it! x
yandoo003003 5 months ago
Money isn't real!
We created it, we must destroy it!
Before it destroys us!
pedroalvesmkt 5 months ago 12
Evolution is inevitable, but when nature is repressed, it only slows the process. I dream of one day waking up to a world that is not filled with one minded parasites.
dyablo24Osx 5 months ago
Try to make your own happiness and be in peace.fuk everyone else
ortega305 5 months ago
W.e dis shit is bullshit.u want the solution take your money outhe bank and everyone stop wrking.lets see wat these demons will do.there will never be a perfect world.power corrupts.
ortega305 5 months ago
Make a video so the scientists find their calling to save the Earth!
mletouutube 5 months ago
@AllithiaReid "As for nature,well,I don't know what to tell you if you don't see the intelligence at work in the grand orchestration of the universe.Pick up a book on quantum physics or even just the human body!"
Look at the world around you, it's a mess. Entropy destroys everything, including planets, stars, and eventually the universe itself. Humans and animals suffer and die in countless ways. Pointlessly, as none of this will lead anywhere (sun dies, lights out). So yeah, fuck 'nature'.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
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Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@AllithiaReid We are a flawed design regardless of wanting to live forever; aging is just of our many defects.
"I am more concerned with our species surviving at all."
Wow, how noble and selfless of you! News flash: unless we (at the very least) colonize space, we'll sooner or later go the way of the dinosaur. Guaranteed. Technology is crucial for both our survival as individuals and as a species.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
The structural problem we face in our society is as a result of the taking of our liberties & the that power comes with it. The economy is fake because it's not free, it's imposed upon by government intervention thus artificial. We have succumbed to the idea that the government must provide all basic human needs through bureaucracies & deny any other possibilities for how basic human needs can be more than achieved for all. Liberty is empowering the individual thus unleashing the mind!
Moibroadcast 5 months ago
"It all goes back in the box"
When I was a kid, while the other children were figuring out how to play "the game", I was trying to figure out why I should want to play at all.
If "it all goes back in the box" I would prefer to design a better game to play.
One with just winners, no losers. If only one can win, then that one enjoys the victory alone. And being alone sucks more than losing.
MolotovPolitics 5 months ago 62
@MolotovPolitics How about we get rid of winning and losing and simply have humanity. Nothing more and nothing less.
blackyblackblack505 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
Anyone who is against Zeitgeist/ Venus Project deserve the crap they are in. That is my opinion and then again I love you all, ye are my brothers/sisters and we all only have one home. We are Earthlings nothing more nothing less so lets all unite and make this home the heaven we all know it can and should be!
TheFreedomforall2011 5 months ago 39
@TheFreedomforall2011 Part 1 on religion will always be my favorite. Religion remains a serious issue. I'm disappointed TZGM chose to leave part 1 & Acharya behind. Acharya substantiated part 1 more than anyone has for any other part & she wrote the Sourcebook - so, I'm disgusted with TZGM for not supporting her efforts to return the favor. They wouldn't even share Acharya's new Mythicist Position video to TZGM members so they could be made aware that it even existed!!!!!!
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Hercules2345 4 months ago
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When they show support for Acharya's Mythicist Position then, I'll maybe support TZGM again.
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I will never forget how much work she did supporting ZG1 for them & they turned their back on her. That's just wrong.
Hercules2345 4 months ago
I proposed the Dutch National Ballet to write a choreography to this... Curiously waiting for their response!
satsanga125 5 months ago
Beautiful work! I had chills and tears coming to my eyes, and mind opening up, and all this trembling inside, and wanting to be out there, and inspire the change, and see the better world.
augustlionvideos 5 months ago 2
Love, love, LOVE, the Severn Suzuki speech, I suggest anyone interested watch the whole thing.
Great work overall here, quite a unique experience much like the films.
masterkl16 5 months ago
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Ghost2743 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra One more question.On what basis do you deem our biology weak and flawed?Because we age,get sick,and die?I thought that just made us subject to the same laws as everything else in nature!Rather,it is our choice to resist these laws that has led to our suffering and decline as a species.Our future prosperity lies in a deeper inquiry into nature and the laws that shape the universe.Intelligent design can only be a product of our respect for universal law, not trying to step outside it.
AllithiaReid 5 months ago
@AllithiaReid Although i generally agree with what you're saying we must not be rigid in our belief of scientific proces. There are certain situations that we cannot duplicate and if we are too understand certain mysteries we must observe with a more open mid.
northwestblazinfire 5 months ago
@northwestblazinfire I absolutely agree that rigidity of any kind will only hinder us in our evolution of consciousness. Observation of what is, without attachment or bias, is the only way to see clearly.
AllithiaReid 5 months ago
@AllithiaReid "On what basis do you deem our biology weak and flawed?Because we age,get sick,and die?"
Yes, among other things. The too narrow female pelvis, cancer, lethal allergic reactions & autoimmune diseases, and aging are all evidence of a flawed 'design'.
The 'laws' of nature are simply the way things currently are, there is no wisdom or intelligence behind them, and they sure as hell weren't created for our benefit. Nature (evolution) isn't a god, and doesn't deserve your worship.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra ...as to your obvious distrust with evolution... look up ted talks and find the lecture by tim harford: trial, error and the god complex
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod I suggest you look up the TED talks about transhumanism (Aubrey de Grey, Ray Kurzweil, Nick Bostrom). Evolution created a hell of suffering and death, but intelligent design can create a heaven of infinite pleasure and happiness. We are all natural born transhumanists; we use technology to improve and extend our lives on a daily basis. All this sanctimonious 'accepting the natural order' (i.e. death, suffering, entropy) BS is in fact UNNATURAL.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra i'm aware of the inevitability of genetic manipulation and potential for good AND bad.noone denies the technology exists.also, who says nature should care about one species?nature's in favor of and dependent on balance only.i also know that living forever has no merit for life,as our only natural function is to copy and die.no progress comes from immortality. these things are for selfish reasons only.it's bad for the planet. it may be good or bad for us, but it is NOT natural
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod "i also know that living forever has no merit for life,as our only natural function is to copy and die.no progress comes from immortality."
Fuck our 'natural function' (if such a thing even exists; nature has no goals and no purpose); suffering, disesease & death SUCK, and need to be eliminated, just like capitalism (=evolutiony principles applied to economics) needs to be eliminated. Is this really so difficult to understand? Btw, progress comes from science, not evolution.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra oh, i thought that we were arguing about facts and things that are actually real, not arbitrary vague statements about how you might feel about your existence. yeah, we all agree, dying sucks, but scientifically, does it "need to be eliminated"? no. not according to basic sustainability. not according to any real axiom of logic. and you are in a TZM video, we all know capitalism is flawed. what are you trying to say? and science is evolution. they work by trial and error, mr. smarty
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod 'yeah, we all agree, dying sucks, but scientifically, does it "need to be eliminated"?'
Science isn't normative, it's just a tool like a spade is a tool. Your statement makes no sense.
"not according to any real axiom of logic."
Logic, like science, is a tool that ultimately serves emotion. Logic by itself is meaningless and aimless.
"we all know capitalism is flawed. what are you trying to say?"
That rejecting capitalism but glorifying evolution is hypocritical & illogical.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra @Parapon3ra scientific theory is also a TOOL that could explain if dying needs to be eliminated by any scientific reasoning.did that go above your head?and how does logic serve emotion?an axiom is an irrefutable truth- yeah;very emotional.you spew this rhetoric like its your second nature.i must commend you for that.also,noone glorrified evolution.you think we are not evolving right now through science?science is evolution,only until you give us your revolutionary methods,that is.
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod "cientific theory is also a TOOL that could explain if dying needs to be eliminated by any scientific reasoning."
We don't need science to tell us that disease, aging & death suck; good old common sense will do just fine.
"and how does logic serve emotion?"
Everything starts with emotion; everything from basic desires to lofty ideals is ultimately emotional, subjective, and (largely) arbitrary. Logic can merely make us more efficient at achieving emotional objectives.
Parapon3ra 4 months ago
@Parapon3ra again with the circular logic, sigh.MY POINT WAS that you assume you speak as the sole voice of the universe.you say death "needs" to be eliminated.that's YOUR POV.you SHOULD say"i don't want to die".you think you're entitled to immortality but you're not.death and desease are mear wieghts in the balance of life.our immunities and proficiencies are the counter weights.i AM SPEAKING LOGICALLY, NOT EMOTIONALLY, because of course i don't want to die either.see, science can be objective.
moochabod 4 months ago
@moochabod "and science is evolution. they work by trial and error, mr. smarty"
Science has and serves specific goals, evolution just happens. Trial & error is a primitive, slow, and wasteful process that will gruadually be phased out as science advances and our knowledge of the universe increases.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra trial and error is used to test theories of science, so maybe you should enlighten modern scientists on your revolutionary methods.
moochabod 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra i'll tell you the goal of science, as a whole;TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE.applications are what you are talking about.because if science isn't objective,it isn't science.didn't you watch the video i recommended.it shows the application of very fast paced evolution of design.you take a design,the computer will model it and make random variations,then pick the most efficient,and repeat.it is VERY efficient.too much so to even understand why the designs work so well.
moochabod 4 months ago
@Parapon3ra also, you seem to believe that humans are somehow devine or special, and actually matter to the universe. what meaning we aquire comes only from ourselves, but i assure you, it is arbitrary and certainly not universal. poor us and animals have to suffer and die :(. guess what; the universe doesn't care. that's what's supposed to happen and it's not fair. if we do something else, that's fine, but don't presume that for some reason it "shouldn't be this way".
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod You're right, the universe doesn't give a fuck about us (or anything else). There is no plan and no purpose, just shit happening because it can. So what? Aging, disease & suffering are simply engineering problems that can be solved with reason, science & technology. Just Do It.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
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AllithiaReid 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra It seems we are getting hung up on semantics here. I do not see anything as existing outside of evolution. Even "intelligent design" is an evolutionary response to all the factors that preceded it. You want to separate "intelligent design" from evolution whereas I see intelligent design as a byproduct of evolution. It's all connected. My question to you is what do you define as intelligent design? What does that look like to you?
AllithiaReid 5 months ago
Fact: Every human on the planet could be fed several times over. THe problem is not technical, but "financial" The whole world could be run by renewable energy. If we spent the war-money on creation instead, the world could have adundance. Not a technical problem, a "traditional" one.
Question? WHAT THE FUCK DONT WE DO THIS RIGHT NOW!!?
RBEducation 5 months ago in playlist RBEducation sine favorittvideoer 2
who is the lady speaking at 24 mins?
rubbermuck 5 months ago
This was one of the gospels of the Zeitgiest Movement.
yutuboslaven 5 months ago
What a beautiful piece of art!
lordjonash 5 months ago
Keep that in mind! 19:54 EVERYONE NEEDS TO COME TO UNDERSTAND THIS!
Ghost10251 5 months ago
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LetsTalkPolitix 5 months ago
This is just amazing! This shows Peter's true artistic side. I almost prefer this to the movies themselves!
hypnoticdirgerecords 5 months ago
This video just made me give up porn.
blackyblackblack505 5 months ago 4
Intense.
blackyblackblack505 5 months ago 3
Awesome as usual =) Great work!
andrewcnzz 5 months ago
Waow. That was amazing !
nicorbit 5 months ago
Well done. Thanks.
MyTube22T 5 months ago
Beautifully done.
F50Italia 5 months ago
guy's u have to watch the real speecht from that girl at 10:03. really really good. And he speaks to grown up how don¨t seem to care at all. Just search for the girl how made the world silence for 5 min
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the music of this film is so good.
tbcslayer 5 months ago
I understand where the "utopia" reference come from. Jaque Fresco, when introducing the Venus Project, assured people that there would be no war, poverty, famine, police, and so on. It sounds very idealistic, it would have been much better to express what he generally talks about when more in depth about the RBE: "it is not a perfect society, it is just much better than the one we have now", which means less wars, less poverty, less famine and less police.
gasto5 5 months ago
i liked the Carl Sagan intro better than MLK
ghostrid3 5 months ago
why not internatiol all languages ? I can t understand it.
perfect459 5 months ago
I'm totally behind this movement and am moved by each and every film. I hope one day this vision of a better world is realised and will dedicate my life to this end.
grimscarpious 5 months ago
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Oh holy crap i wish I was there....
farberam 5 months ago
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farberam 5 months ago
anyon else think this was a surprise 30minute film?
Mosley2 5 months ago
Utopia is an Absolute state. And as everyone knows... NOTHING IS ABSOLUTE. Therefore TZM is not Utopian... it is merely an enhanced version of the current... nothing new here.. think of how far we have come! It never stops changing and growing... it flows like a river forever and ever... LONG after we are gone. Nothing to fear. Just thank ourselves for the Internet. BTW... Learn how to Critically Think... learn to Program in C on the computer... training your brain in LOGIC.
freeadplanet 5 months ago
@freeadplanet great to see a C programmer. I guess only people with an already developed logic background can understand the values proposed by these complex set of ideas.
Some people might want to skip computer programming and at least understand basic formal logic and critical thinking. But there's no way to cheat to a computer, so verify logic is to compile your source code and verify. So, yes, ultimately computer programming is the ultimate tool for building a solid base for logic.
gasto5 5 months ago
Where was this before the Media Festival? Oh well. The Toronto one went very well. Go TZM!!! I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS VIDEO. IT'S TO RE-EVALUATE OUR VALUES PEOPLE. SEE LOVE NOT FEAR. WE ARE ONE!!!!!!!!
Filmchica 5 months ago
who is the one of the monopoly-grandmother tale?
GABOBO1991 5 months ago
@GABOBO1991 Pastor John Ortberg.
hypernation2007 5 months ago
@RicosDomeTown Actual Society = Collection of people with Diogenes'. All for it.
GABOBO1991 5 months ago
3:30 - 5:00 was powerful.
snaileri 5 months ago
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Lol J/K
J1CA1 5 months ago
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Lies lies lies booooooo
J1CA1 5 months ago
8:09 = best rhythm ever.
hypernation2007 5 months ago 22
@hypernation2007 so fking true.
Seventy4K 5 months ago
@Seventy4K Boom Chi Boom Chiboomchi BAH!
hypernation2007 5 months ago
~this resonates with me~
~|-resonate with me-|~
soseboogs 5 months ago
A real honour to see this live.
culturaltheorist 5 months ago
Thank you, Peter Joseph.
samlisi2010 5 months ago
who is the speaker at 21:50 ??
can someone please answer me. i have been searching for him for a while now.
thanks
Sa7oory 5 months ago
@Sa7oory Bill Hicks. 29:03 also..
samlisi2010 5 months ago
@Sa7oory Bill Hicks
search "bill hicks - The truth - part 1" for a nice summary of his stuff
Nosferatu9981 5 months ago
Excellent message!.
wiznz 5 months ago
Excellent work. Please consider outputting these in 1080p so they can be downloaded and distributed in high definition. Perfect material for viewing after a few glasses and a joint or ten.
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fuckoverload 5 months ago
that was extremely uplifting and powerful. even though i have heard a lot of those quotes before, it was the ultimate bundle of information. I love the bill hicks stuff, what a beautiful way to honor him. TZM/TVP/Post Scarcity Anarchism provide bulletproof 2+2=4 explanations for global sustainability. We will spread positive propaganda like a virus.
AtheistAnarchoRudi 5 months ago
Vote if you want an RBE... IN YOUR ASS!
tallicalad 5 months ago
@tallicalad Did you see or hear anything related to an RBE in this video?? That's not what it's about and that's not even what TZM is mostly about. If you don't like my model, build your own - John Rogers. In other words, if you don't like the RBE, than build your own. An RBE is actually a logical and necessary transition from an economy, such as ours. Albeit, it is an extreme project.
esca8652 5 months ago
@esca8652 Lol jumping the gun a bit aren't we? Indeed.
tallicalad 5 months ago
A profound political question is suddenly on the table: Must the country continue to give precedence to private financial gain and market determinism over human lives and broad public values?
William Greider
PortlandsTransport 5 months ago
Good job Peter Joseph, we have the theory now just need the practice. No?
robertojp23 5 months ago
Fantastic. Great content and great artistic value :)
TheUnchainedMind 5 months ago
That high pitch sound is annoying.
KingGoddard 5 months ago
this presentation was pretty impressive.
meadowsirl 5 months ago
I love everything TZM and TVP does. I want to comment on Peter Joseph's amazing skill as a music composer. Compelling music in all his films. Great job PJ!
EcstasyMovie 5 months ago
For those who do understand the problems of today, and the stupidity we are subject by this outdated system... this compilation its very powerful.
I hope people somehow open their eyes before its too late.
Ramiromasters 5 months ago
sharing this...
Justin9Noble 5 months ago
Thx for uploading this can't wait for the Live performance and the rest of the other Town hall footage.
MrTabootopics 5 months ago
Money is the cancer on our society
rockmysock01 5 months ago
Antitraditionalism is the only way out of this mess. People need to learn that the old ways are not good enough anymore.
MrStillmans 5 months ago
Funny, the quote at 7:27 was the same quote I read just a day ago in one of my college textbooks.
esca8652 5 months ago
@esca8652 Krishnamurti rocks!
AllithiaReid 5 months ago
Nice video, but imo its potentially powerful message is somewhat compromised by the retro-naive love, peace & unity talk. We are not 'one'. We are, generally speaking, a territorial, hierarchical, aggressive species, and if you want to change that you'll need to bring out the big guns like psychotropic drugs and genetic engineering. Talk alone won't cut it; it didn't work in the '60s, and it won't work now. Human nature, like everything else, is an engineering issue.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra are you trolling or are you really that unfamiliar with tzm? it is about changing the VALUES of society through education and addressing the root causes of aberrant behavior. what you speak of are examples of the said aberrant behaviors. talk leads to action, and the more educated people are, the more likely they will ascend the illnesses of society. also, in the 60s, they did not have anywhere near the capacity to communicate on such a massive scale.
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod I know what TZM is about, and I largely agree, but I think it's fundamentally wrong re [its denial of] 'human nature'. Society's messed up values are a manifestation of our messed up evolutionary heritage; they are the effect, not the cause. Think about it... evolution is like capitalism: amoral, unguided, brutal, and terribly wasteful. It is only natural that we, as the products of a flawed and primitive process, are flawed and primitive as well. Only technology can fix this.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra Sorry, but that is scientifically void. Human Evolution responds to the environment. it is adaptive and flexible.
worldpeace05 5 months ago
@worldpeace05 Human behavior is flexible *within certain limits*, it is not a blank slate. What was shaped by millions of years of evolution can't be changed with a few words. Evolution is a messy process, therefore we are messy as well. Get over it and start fixing it.
Also, regardless whether you think it's nature or nurture, the simple fact it that we live in a world where psychosis (regarding the economy, religion, death etc.) is the norm. Most people are too messed up to listen to reason.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra Once again, you are stating observation; not causality. And in the end- it doesn't matter. either we move into such a system or we ALL parish. Your choice. And people are not blank slates- but they are formed by culture fundamentally as far as values. it is all that is needed to make this work.
worldpeace05 5 months ago
@worldpeace05 "you are stating observation; not causality"
I'm simply stating the obvious. If certain behaviors consistently manifest themselves across ages and cultures, they're almost certainly hardwired, i.e. part of 'human nature'.
"in the end- it doesn't matter. either we move into such a system or we ALL parish."
You're right, in the end it doesn't matter what we say or believe; technological developments will shape the future, as they always have.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra I agree that society's values are the effect, not the cause. Yet evolution is not like capitalism. Evolution is a natural fluid response of an organism to its changing environment for the purpose of its survival. Rather than being wasteful, it is an incredibly efficient facet of nature. Capitalism, on the other hand, is an attempt to manipulate and control nature, not a response of the organism to nature.
AllithiaReid 5 months ago
@AllithiaReid 1) It took evolution several roughly 3.5 BILLION years to create a truly intelligent species (us). It took us only approx. 10,000 years to get from stone age to space age, and within a few decades we'll have created intelligences smarter than ourselves. In other words, evolution is slow and inefficient compared to 'intelligent design'. 2) Evolution allowed countless species to go extinct (for no good reason), and didn't manage to save a single individual. Therefore, it is wasteful.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra '3.5 billion yrs to create an intelligent species''10000 yrs from stone to space age''evolution is slow compared to intelligent design'wtf.we have never designed ourselves.and if evolution is wasteful for dying species,life is wasteful for dying individuals,that's an irrelivent arguement.and you assume that we can ever understand our lives enough to manipulate them safely without destroying our species forever.also,idealism is the only thing to ever produce social change
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod No, of course we didn't design ourselves, but we did create culture and technology. With genetic engineering, bionic implants, nanotechnology, and other advanced near-future tech we can finally start redesigning ourselves. Is this potentially dangerous? Perhaps, but we're all dead anyway thanks to evolution's sloppy, lazy programming, so nothing to lose.
"idealism is the only thing to ever produce social change"
Idealism without technology is just wishful thinking.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra idealism is why we don't aren't openly racist,sexist, or sexually and religiously chauvanistic.these things have greatly reduced the amount of hate in the world,and had nothing to do with technology and the more they are swept to the back of our conciousness,the less likely they will infect the next generation.we are talking about VAlUES here;not physically enhancing tech.if you raise a hitler,they will be hitler.if you raise a ghandi,they will be ghandi.you can't dispute that
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod "idealism is why we don't aren't openly racist,sexist, or sexually and religiously chauvanistic."
Actually, it was scientific and technological progress that (at least partially) ended slavery (mechanization and industrialization made traditional slave labor largely redundant), castrated religion (Darwin etc), and gave the women's rights movement teeth (in the form of effective, user friendly contraceptives). Idealism without technology = wishful thinking. Also, Ghandi is overrated.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra so before, idealism without technology=useless, now its wishful thinking. so by your reasoning, there's some technological deficiency that compels us to treat each other with judgement and hostility, and has nothing to do with the social, economic and educational environment? also, without industrialisation, slavery is inescapable? and without birth control, women are still less than men? that's a reach, to say the least. our minds are more capable than you apparently think.
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod Nature made us unequal. It burdened women with pregnancy & childbirth, made them (generally) smaller and weaker than men, made certain groups of people ('races') smarter than others, made some of us strong and beautiful, and others ugly and weak etc. Inequality is the default, the 'natural order'. It's a genetic thing that can't be fixed with idealism alone. Technology is the great equalizer, the only thing that can fundamentally challenge the tyranny of nature.
Parapon3ra 4 months ago
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AllithiaReid 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra so what i understand,basically,is that you believe that people are inherently evil,i.e.born into sin,lol.what you suggest ignores the fact that humans have never lived in an abundant society,and have never created a system based on one,so we have always had to compete for resources.also,you ignore the fact that this competitive "nature" is instilled in us by almost every facet of our environment.some of us know that humans can BE more because we ARE more,now,so we believe in others
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod What I believe is that certain behaviors, some good, some harmful, have been hardwired by millions of years of evolution. If basics like food, energy & housing are no longer issues, we'll just fight over other, more trivial things (hell, we already do). Not all of us, but enough of us to mess things up. Compared to people from the stone age or even the 19th century we live like kings, yet there's still plenty of violence, hatred, and other (unnecessary) problems. That's human nature.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra so you are totally ignoring the whitehall study,which indubatably shows that the reason for sickness and violence is inequality.that's like,one of the foundimental understandings of TZM.i don't think you know as much as you'd have us believe about TZM.you're arguing in circular logic,and seem to only want to WIN;not actually get somewhere in these discussions. some people illogically refuse logic no matter what the cost, because of a previous belief and will never be enlightened
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod One study explains everything, awesome! (yes that's sarcasm). No, dude, the reason for sickness is our weak biology, and violence is part of human nature (though it can indeed be worsened by inequality). TZM has some nice ideas, but its naive leftist dogmas will be its undoing. The bitter irony of TZM is that its most valuable insight (automation = liberation) also tends to be the most ignored by its fanbois.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra Also, give me a link to reliable research program/s that prove violence is part of human nature. For example, I watched a documentary of inuits( or might have been some other aboriginal group of people) long time a go, and they barely had any criminals. Very peaceful society. There are many small societies like that, and suprise suprise, they're all pretty isolated from rest of the world and it's values.
laitela01 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra first,human nature cannot be studied absent an environment.that arguement's a simple cop out that ignores the fact that if a person's raised with what they need and without what is detrimental,they will be loving,caring,moral individuals;like i said:you can't argue that.and our biology is amazing.we have a system that adapts to desease automatically,and you think pharmaceuticals want to cure desease if they did,they would.also, idk who you think ignores the imprtance of automation
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod "ignores the fact that if a person's raised with what they need and without what is detrimental,they will be loving,caring,moral individuals"
That is a totally unfounded assumption. Some people are simply born 'evil', look up psychopathy on Wiki. The rest will be influenced by both genetic and environmental factors to varying degrees. The point is that even a 'perfect' environment, there would still be (plenty of) trouble because human psychology is imperfect and often irrational.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra unfounded? it is founded by the fact that most all criminals come from poverty. it's founded by the fact that almost all violent offenders were victems of violence or grew up in a violen evironment. it is founded by the fact that crime DIRECTLY coresponds with the equality level of the society. genetics respond to environments too. what is the founding of your belief in inherent evil? i know; the status quo and the bible.
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod "our biology is amazing.we have a system that adapts to desease automatically"
Tell that to all the people who died of cancer, heart disease, AIDS etc.etc. etc. Also there's the little issue of aging...
"you think pharmaceuticals want to cure desease if they did,they would."
I know the pharmaceutical industry isn't interested in curing disease, one of the many side effects of capitalism. That doesn't change the fact though that only science & technology can fix the human condition.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra cancer is caused largely by radiation and various pollutants caused by our system trying to be profitable. heart desease is caused by obesity, stress, poverty, bad nutrition and values, caused by the system. stress makes us vulnerable to viruses and bacteria along with poor nutrition etc. etc.etc. technology is going great places for medicine, and noone disputed that.
moochabod 5 months ago
@moochabod "idk who you think ignores the imprtance of automation"
Practically everyone, even within Zeitgeist. This video basically proves my point; it's all about feelgood idealism, and hardly about practical solutions. That's a real shame, as the realization that a RBE, and better world in general, is impossible without automation (technology) is the only thing that sets TZM apart from other utopian lefty movements (which want to go 'back to nature' etc.).
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra okay, go to the TZM chanel and try to find another abstract video dealing solely with "feelgood idealism". the fact is, almost all their posts are education on why our current system sucks, and what to do to fix it, and why. automation is very important, again, i don't know why you think people ignore it, but education of why our system is flawed and what we can do is far more important because they are the fundimentals of the movement, and without them, automation simply takes jobs
moochabod 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra one scientific, repeatable study only proves that the health of people(mental, physical, and social) is dependant on the equality level of the environment in which they are. that's actually very profound. nowhere did i say it proves anything else. your beloved automation, by the way, actually requires a leftist sentiment to be possible; automation=no purchasing power= no capitalism. :)
moochabod 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra "is somewhat compromised by the retro-naive love, peace & unity talk." ?? It's called "Requiem" - look it up
worldpeace05 5 months ago
@worldpeace05 I'm pretty sure this video isn't meant to be sarcastic, if that's what you mean. Peter Joseph seems to think idealsm and education can change the world, but it doesn't work like that. Greed, envy, fear, ignorance & aggression will prevent people from embracing a resource based economy, or at least from implementing it successfully. The first step towards fixing a problem is recognizing it exists. Human nature is real, but it can be changed with technology.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra Human nature argument.. here we go again..
laitela01 5 months ago
@laitela01 If you keep denying human nature, or the fundamental messiness of our species, you will fail like the communists have failed before you. What's your problem, anyway? If you understand and accept that technology (automation) can fix our economy, then why not accept that it can fix our biology as well? EVERYTHING is an engineering issue, get it?
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra Define human nature for me then. Technology fixing human nature? What the hell are you suggesting then? Transhumanism?
laitela01 5 months ago
@laitela01 Human nature are those characteristics and behaviors that can be observed across ages and cultures, and can therefore be deemed (more or less) universal. It's things like envy, lust & greed, but also love and the desire to be free; things that may be temporarily suppressed through social engineering, but never fully eliminated.
"What the hell are you suggesting then? Transhumanism?"
Indeed. If TZM is serious about making life better for everyone, it needs to embrace transhumanism.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra Well of course people had those features since there was scarcity and culture had immense control over people since it was all they had. You realize that there were those type of traits in the past. But ignore the environmental factors that cause it. Transhumanism extends human capabilities but it can't change someones neuron connections in brains to make him behave different way..
laitela01 5 months ago
@laitela01 Transhumanism, or rather the advanced technologies it predicts and promotes, can change literally everything, including the way our brains work. In fact, we can already change people's minds through neurosurgery, brain implants, and drugs. It's all a bit crude and hit & miss now, but it won't be like that forever. Transhumanism is change we *really* can believe in.
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra You know, it's not really stable to relay on something in it's very early stages. I mean, human nature cannot be determined just by observing how people lived in the past, they had all "brainwashed" values due to dominant cultures and now when we have a bit more choices... I don't need to be greedy if I have abundance on everything I need. And people who are rich won't need to steal from stores.. It's conditioning that makes our personalities, genes give ways to react to enviroment.
laitela01 5 months ago
@laitela01 Assuming you're right (which I doubt), how are you going to change centuries of social conditioning -- with a bunch of videos? Good luck with that...
Parapon3ra 5 months ago
@Parapon3ra 1. It's not going to be bunch of videos.
2. we are different from rest of the animals, our heads grow after the birth and that is what makes us who we are. From genetic point of view, what my ancestors did might have affect on me. Like some rather disease. Other than that, you can grow a kid to adopt any culture. I advocate RBE. So it would take a change in thinking from others too. TZM tries to achieve that.
laitela01 5 months ago