now what's the problem? someone took it and made a song. Reggaeton beats are really similar too. And other things like chord progressions. You can find the same chords from "not afraid - eminem" in:
Actually presets are just like guidelines, an idea of what kind of sound can be made with the VST. Usually you modify the preset to get your own sound. Using a preset as is, just proves there's no research or talent involved.
They don't have to give Credit to nobody. its a preset. Made For producers to use. Now i rather make my own patches but im just saying. They are not obligated to give credit for a preset sound they used.
Okay, I agree it sounds exactly the same, BUT, who's to say it is? Big producers like that aren't fucking retards, they know how to make their own sounds, and could have easily done that without downloading a free VST. On a side note, I use Crystals. It's an amazing VST. You should also check out Itchy's Synths. He makes some really nice freeware synths
So what if the producer used a preset? If you like a sound, use it! There's no need to avoid a preset you like just because someone said "using presets is bad." Musical elitism is just silly, and it's an exercise in futility, because you can never reach a point where you are unquestionable... the guy who is an expert at synthesis is going to be himself ridiculed by some guitar player that says synths aren't "real" instruments. You know what I mean?
@electriclids@Gen0cidePTB It's a silly concept. Like lids said, it's elitism. If it sounds good, work with it. I think they used spookykeys for the wooooo, woooooooo in the background too. I have the CD, I can see the credits, but I'm not sure that stuff is noted.
WTF? Presets are provided royalty free not only to illustrate how something works, but also allow you to create your own music! If this wasnt done Soulja boy would not exist, 3/4 of modern producers would have no material with which to create music from, and synths wouldn't sell because no-one would know their potential till after they purchased and spend half their life learning the plug in in detail. The fact it is free makes no difference.
@Gen0cidePTB ima have to agree here, although its definitely a plus if a producer has knowledge and skill with programing synths. but yeah, this kinda comes down to the difference between a Producer and a Sound Engineer
stupid asscrack mothaf#cka. every body does this.. it ain't with what or how you make hits.. its iff you make hits! Listnen to the song HERO from rapper NAS, Then seach for the massive vsti en then use the preset called butterfly stance.. you can even find a vid. on youtube bout that.. they didn't tweek shit but the tempo.. and still it's a world wide banger! IT'S NOT HOW YOU MAKE IT, IT'S IFF IT ROCKS, OR NOT. how do you think dj premier samples shit without using excisting music? LOL.
@cmavsmusic Hope not. Rather a starting point to show case completely different sounds that the plugin is capable of, gives you something to examine or work from but god forbid, copy directly. yuck haha
@DiscoKnightsMusic Don't be a naive fool. You really think the 'Trance Saw' preset in ACME synth wasn't made to be a Saw in a Trance track and some dude was just showing you how to make your own??? Then answer me this, why do synthesizers like Spectracsonics Omnisphere come with 5000 presets? Surely they don't want you to learn how to make 5000 individual sounds, do they? Oh wait, maybe they just want you to USE them, God Forbid!!
@Gen0cidePTB A naive fool? You retard, Who copies presets directly? no good producer should get a vst and just scroll through presets. 5000 presets? to show what its capable of. You can copy them but your hardly a producer if you do. If I want a saw I will build my own from scratch, not just click next.
Actually, as someone who is actually in the industry, I know that using a VST preset is akin to using a sample. Yeah sure, some people hate it, but the fact is that it is done and much of the time it is done well. If you scroll thorugh those 5000 presets and one gives you the inspiration to make a track, should you have to recreate that sound from scratch? Sure sometimes you'll want a saw but time constraints mean you cant make an epic, finely tuned, evolving pad...
@Gen0cidePTB Sure sometimes you'll want a saw but time constraints mean you cant make an epic, finely tuned, evolving pad so you use a preset. Does that make you a bad producer or someone that has a good ear and knows ho to make compromise. Besideds I don't care hat you say, everyone has taken a preset patch before and tweaked it to thier needs. The world doesnt start with your basic 1-osc saw when theres no need!
well, not really. presets is made for demonstration purposes, and for producers to use them as a starting point. if i use a preset in my song, i twist myself totally away from the original sound... noob.
@cmavsmusic While that is correct, a lot of people see using presets as an amatuerish production method, and for some reason, working with plugins like Nexus and Massive automatically make you better than someone working with freeware stuff because you've paid more; people have wierd views on stuff like this.
I don't mind what people use personally though, cause I'm not wierd :D
In fairly sure the preset came first. More and more tracks these days have recognizable presets features prominently. Timbaland's "return the favor" with Keri Hilson comes to mind. The pan flute arpeggio is a preset in Tone 2's 'firebird' vst.
to be honest i think you're missing the point. i think it's great that a hit was made using a free plug-in, as it proves you don't need a million pound studio, or expensive NI/ Waves plugs to make hit records. and as for the programmer of Crystal, i'm sure they would be pleased to know that their instrument is professional enough to be used as the main sound source for an international pop star.
Even from the very beginning of synthesizer history a lot of artists often used presets or maybe tweaked them a little bit. Certainly later on, when we're talking about samplers and FM-synthesizers like the famous (hard-to-program) yamaha DX-7. Just browse through the presets of an EMU Emulator or Emax and you will instantly hear Depeche Mode. Browse through the presets of the DX-7 and you will get a lot of 80's flashbacks.
@gloom303 dude every producer uses presets. Polow da Don - Usher love in this club - Native Instruments. Sean Garret - Mario - Break up - FL studio 7 etc etc etc.....
Its not the same thing, and no you wouldnt credit them because thats what they made it for, for you to use. They didnt put the idea together the producer did. And in sometimes you may not kno that could have been his preset that he made with the company. Producers are regular people too...
Timbaland and The Neptunes use presets...what's the big deal? If we spend our time making our 'own' sounds (probably it will sound with something that already exists) we will loose our inspiration to create the music that was on our mind. We need something that allows us to be musicaly creative really fast. We are music producers, not Sound Designers.
Alot of artists use these programs if they want to give subliminal messages backwards. If you listen to gimme more backwards she is talking about the illuminati. The chorus backwards is hear me out. Hear me out etc. I know it sounds crazy but she saying that the music industry is messed up.
The synth and/or preset maker doesn't get any credit any more than Roland, Korg would get credit if a song was made using their synth/preset. They are INSTRUMENTS. Instruments/presets don't make a song, what you do with an instrument/preset makes a song.
Think it's lame to use presets? Fine, spend your hours making your own sounds. If you're good maybe you can sell your presets so that people that want to write SONGS can use them.
Despite how many presets you can find in current pop music (there are many more than just this), it still takes some actual creativity to incorporate it into a catchy song as well as talent to do it properly. For example, look up "fl studio auto-tune" or "benassi bass", check all the incredibly poor/boring/out-of-key content, and then try to do better yourself. If you can't do something WITH presets.. Not to mention most of the cost goes towards mastering, which has no presets and never will.
You'd figure that the recording industry has millions to blow on the best gear -and that their gear allows them to make the best music. The reason this video is important is that it breaks down that preconception. With synthesizer emulation and virtual instrumentation, you can do EVERYTHING they do, except they just get paid more to do it :p. (Well... you do have to learn how to play the instrument at some point)
Crystal is probably the best free VST synth, Satuloop is a cool preset. I've used it in a song. The dude who developed it is on to bigger and better things although I cant recall his name.
so you think that producers are not allowed to use FREE tools? Lulz :D It is just their advantage when they can use whatever is available, paid or not.
Tool itself is NOT making music, it still has to be the producer who creates music
its always great to tweak sounds yourself but if youre under pressure by labels to get songs done quickly then a preset is much handier. if it gets the job done then how bad..
sooo many producers use free vsts ummm Drummaboi, Dj Montay, Pitbull, Lil Jon, Timbaland... its all about taking that sound and tweeking it and making it yours
Yeah well, timbo didn't exactly take a VST instrument and not tweak it. He used a complete SONG made by someone else and pasted stuff on it. That' s different by far from "not tweaking" your instrument. And besides, if your instrument comes with presets, you can use them unless explicitly stated otherwise in the software licence.
Uh... what's the big deal? A producer used a free VST. So what? If anything, that shows resourcefulness on the part of the producer budget wise and a good taste in cost efficient VSTs.
les presets sont SOUVENT utilisé dans le pop-dance! ta rien decouvert! LOLLLL
ta refait les accords pis els notes aik un instrument qui ressemble a celui de gimme more.. so what? LOL ki a composé les notes? danja je producer so.. c pas le plug in qui a composer la melodi par lui meme..
Hey I don't see a real problem with using presets as long as you don't over use them. SOmetimes presets may be just the sound you're looking for or sometimes they inspire you to make something. That's what they're there for. I'd be pretty irritated if a synth came with NO presets and I'm sure you wouldn't be very happy either.
Most people are like "VST whaaaat?" haha, I think it's what you do with what you've got. If you can rock the house with free software, more power too ya. It's more about the producer than the software anyway. Give cheap equipment/software to a producer with a gift and you will be amazed. Gifted artists create. It's just what they do...More power to Britney's producer.
@BigmusicbizTV thats what im saying.. it doesnt matter what you use anyways as long as your satisfied, or your fans are satisfied or your client.... hopefully all 3
this is retarded..why the fuck would he credit the vst programmer?..lol..they could care less,,they already got paid when they sold theyre software, they dont give a shit. As for using presets..you dont have to be a sound designer to make a hit record..ive noticed the only people who get hung up about this type of shit are people with very little talent, who lack the understanding of what producing a record is really about..
@atomatwelve ur a fuckin idot they made a free vst and gave it away and it was used ur a fuckin idiot i hate motherfuckers like you do the world a favor dont have children
@atomatwelve this beat wasnt made by any producer it was produced by non other than danja nate flyod hills he is one of the best producer out there he made most of the music whit timbaland he made nelly furtado lose album and keri hilson and timbaland shock value album and he produced moste of britny spears album o yeah and he is usign logic pro for production hehe
very true,lol. The talented people usually use presets because they rather use their time to crank out hot tracks. The people who have no ideas sit around designing sounds all day, learning sound design, etc.
There is no creativity that goes into making crap like this, pop music has always been based on ripping ideas from creative underground producers and diluting it with very very simply chord sequences that do not invoke thought.
Please man, get off your beard-stroking ass and make a #1 hit yourself if it's as easy as ripping someone off and diluting it. Fucks sake... I'm not saying all the mainstream hit stuff is good, I don't like it, but you gotta realize they do have some skill.
I know some really big names in the industry and they say it's all about knowing the right people, it doesn't really matter about quality, not when it comes to pop music. It isn't like doing something like stockhausen, schönberg, debussy, mozart. Most basic pop stuff is pre-laid out, that's why there are so many pop-bands that sound okay if not better than the mainstream on myspace, but they don't have a billion dollar PR-machine broadcasting their tracks on radio... just saying...
Actually, I wouldn't have to make a potential hit song, just run the common melodies and chord progressions into a factor oracle algorithm, throw on some synthesized vocals and voila, you have an auto-generating pop-machine, but why would I want to construct a software that spews out garbage when there is already too much of it?
To get rich as fuck and then do whatever you want? If you know some really big names in the industry then why aren't you partying with Britney making shit music?
unfortunately you're right. madonna's "erotica" sounds to me IDENTICAL to aphex twin's "we are the music makers" and so forth...today's mainstream is always 10 years ago's underground, and the nineties will always be an endless source of inspiration with all the stuff that's been going on back then...
as for the "it's all about knowing thew right people" part, i couldn't agree more, especially in the music business and especially these days, when talent has become irrelevant, everything's ripped of, then "fixed" in the studio, quantized, pitch-corrected, etc
Let's say for the sake of the argument that he used the free vst plugin. SO??? I thought that's the whole purpose of a program...free or not. To USE IT. I can show you at least another dusin artists that did the same thing. Who really cares?
for those who dont understand: the point is that any1 can make this crap, who the fuck uses presets? and then make millions of dollars with it :O:O:O then u did a good job in my opinion but still it sux badass
pop producers aren't hired based on skills, it's based on who you KNOW. Basically, the quality of the music you hear on the radio and on tv is completely random.
now what's the problem? someone took it and made a song. Reggaeton beats are really similar too. And other things like chord progressions. You can find the same chords from "not afraid - eminem" in:
-love the way you lie
-apologize
-danza kuduro
-llama al sol
-dime que me quieres
-it's my life
and much more...
Eyngii 2 weeks ago
if you feel so bad for a big name producer making money of this song, then go make a donation to the developer of the free VST
thekidx69 4 months ago
The VST programmer and the person that made the preset specifically said it is OK to use WITHOUT credits. I own that free VST.
PancakeRecipes 4 months ago
who cares every producer has used a preset look at top dubstep producer Benga he even explains in a video he has used a preset
ParrallaxMedia 4 months ago
avicii uses presets
JDubPresents 4 months ago
Actually presets are just like guidelines, an idea of what kind of sound can be made with the VST. Usually you modify the preset to get your own sound. Using a preset as is, just proves there's no research or talent involved.
ToRMeNToR84 6 months ago
They don't have to give Credit to nobody. its a preset. Made For producers to use. Now i rather make my own patches but im just saying. They are not obligated to give credit for a preset sound they used.
Neymuzic 6 months ago
so what was the preset called?
pignanelli 6 months ago
A good producer doesn't care whether the sound comes from a free VST or an £8k synth. The important thing is, does it sound right and does it work?
Crystal is actually one of the best freebies around, it doesn't make it amateur though.
djtimwright 7 months ago
Okay, I agree it sounds exactly the same, BUT, who's to say it is? Big producers like that aren't fucking retards, they know how to make their own sounds, and could have easily done that without downloading a free VST. On a side note, I use Crystals. It's an amazing VST. You should also check out Itchy's Synths. He makes some really nice freeware synths
JoshySaysRawrr 8 months ago
@JoshySaysRawrr are you a fucking dumbass?
projektpanzerfaust 7 months ago
@projektpanzerfaust What grounds do you have to call me a dumbass? Let alone within the comment that I made?
JoshySaysRawrr 7 months ago
@JoshySaysRawrr i have every right in the world to call you a dumbass
projektpanzerfaust 7 months ago
@projektpanzerfaust So be it dickbait.
JoshySaysRawrr 7 months ago
@JoshySaysRawrr get mad bro
projektpanzerfaust 7 months ago
@projektpanzerfaust I ain't even mad.
JoshySaysRawrr 7 months ago
So what if the producer used a preset? If you like a sound, use it! There's no need to avoid a preset you like just because someone said "using presets is bad." Musical elitism is just silly, and it's an exercise in futility, because you can never reach a point where you are unquestionable... the guy who is an expert at synthesis is going to be himself ridiculed by some guitar player that says synths aren't "real" instruments. You know what I mean?
electriclids 8 months ago
@electriclids @Gen0cidePTB It's a silly concept. Like lids said, it's elitism. If it sounds good, work with it. I think they used spookykeys for the wooooo, woooooooo in the background too. I have the CD, I can see the credits, but I'm not sure that stuff is noted.
TheSpySheep 6 months ago
I dont think it was robbed I've made stuff sound like stuff from just messing about with stuff
tonyt3rry 9 months ago
oh shitney...
patrickjaden 9 months ago
crystal castles also use the acid trumpet preset at the beginning of their song vietnam. but i think they re-sample it the preset.
mp3dmp3d 9 months ago
you listen to brittany spears...
djretrovision 9 months ago
Crystal is such an awesome free VST!!!
TheGrandBrand 9 months ago
so? what your point. y u hating on creativity. he didnt steal anythang, giv sum1 else da program n they myt nt make a number 1hit.
thegodzp 9 months ago
WTF? Presets are provided royalty free not only to illustrate how something works, but also allow you to create your own music! If this wasnt done Soulja boy would not exist, 3/4 of modern producers would have no material with which to create music from, and synths wouldn't sell because no-one would know their potential till after they purchased and spend half their life learning the plug in in detail. The fact it is free makes no difference.
Gen0cidePTB 10 months ago
@Gen0cidePTB ima have to agree here, although its definitely a plus if a producer has knowledge and skill with programing synths. but yeah, this kinda comes down to the difference between a Producer and a Sound Engineer
Demock 9 months ago
daydreamproducties 10 months ago
whats the problem? presets are there to be used are they not?!
cmavsmusic 11 months ago 22
@cmavsmusic Hope not. Rather a starting point to show case completely different sounds that the plugin is capable of, gives you something to examine or work from but god forbid, copy directly. yuck haha
DiscoKnightsMusic 11 months ago
@DiscoKnightsMusic Don't be a naive fool. You really think the 'Trance Saw' preset in ACME synth wasn't made to be a Saw in a Trance track and some dude was just showing you how to make your own??? Then answer me this, why do synthesizers like Spectracsonics Omnisphere come with 5000 presets? Surely they don't want you to learn how to make 5000 individual sounds, do they? Oh wait, maybe they just want you to USE them, God Forbid!!
Gen0cidePTB 10 months ago
@Gen0cidePTB A naive fool? You retard, Who copies presets directly? no good producer should get a vst and just scroll through presets. 5000 presets? to show what its capable of. You can copy them but your hardly a producer if you do. If I want a saw I will build my own from scratch, not just click next.
DiscoKnightsMusic 8 months ago
@DiscoKnightsMusic
Actually, as someone who is actually in the industry, I know that using a VST preset is akin to using a sample. Yeah sure, some people hate it, but the fact is that it is done and much of the time it is done well. If you scroll thorugh those 5000 presets and one gives you the inspiration to make a track, should you have to recreate that sound from scratch? Sure sometimes you'll want a saw but time constraints mean you cant make an epic, finely tuned, evolving pad...
Gen0cidePTB 8 months ago
@Gen0cidePTB Sure sometimes you'll want a saw but time constraints mean you cant make an epic, finely tuned, evolving pad so you use a preset. Does that make you a bad producer or someone that has a good ear and knows ho to make compromise. Besideds I don't care hat you say, everyone has taken a preset patch before and tweaked it to thier needs. The world doesnt start with your basic 1-osc saw when theres no need!
Gen0cidePTB 8 months ago
@cmavsmusic
well, not really. presets is made for demonstration purposes, and for producers to use them as a starting point. if i use a preset in my song, i twist myself totally away from the original sound... noob.
flexxah 6 months ago
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cmavsmusic 6 months ago
@flexxah the fact you used the word "noob" explains a lot.
cmavsmusic 6 months ago
@cmavsmusic While that is correct, a lot of people see using presets as an amatuerish production method, and for some reason, working with plugins like Nexus and Massive automatically make you better than someone working with freeware stuff because you've paid more; people have wierd views on stuff like this.
I don't mind what people use personally though, cause I'm not wierd :D
StephenPotterMusic 4 months ago
@eleckson
In fairly sure the preset came first. More and more tracks these days have recognizable presets features prominently. Timbaland's "return the favor" with Keri Hilson comes to mind. The pan flute arpeggio is a preset in Tone 2's 'firebird' vst.
taicleis 11 months ago
to be honest i think you're missing the point. i think it's great that a hit was made using a free plug-in, as it proves you don't need a million pound studio, or expensive NI/ Waves plugs to make hit records. and as for the programmer of Crystal, i'm sure they would be pleased to know that their instrument is professional enough to be used as the main sound source for an international pop star.
plainlazy2097 1 year ago 2
Ha ha nice one.
And not a bad gig if you can get away with it!
SpockDon 1 year ago
So what if the producer used a free vst, thats what the vst is made for, and the developers of Crystal don't ask for credit to be left.
djrive 1 year ago
dude.. how many songs use 808 or 909 drums? Or yamaha dx7 rhodes? This stuff is common.
Geardos 1 year ago
Good find indeed
eArtrash 1 year ago
No issue, awesome that he did this really. Good find.
StephenMcCabeMusic 1 year ago 2
It's totally different from the one used in Britney's song.
11musician11 1 year ago
Why would they credit the programmer... does Johnny cash credit the makers of his instruments? You're an idiot.
thatsfornoobs 1 year ago
Even from the very beginning of synthesizer history a lot of artists often used presets or maybe tweaked them a little bit. Certainly later on, when we're talking about samplers and FM-synthesizers like the famous (hard-to-program) yamaha DX-7. Just browse through the presets of an EMU Emulator or Emax and you will instantly hear Depeche Mode. Browse through the presets of the DX-7 and you will get a lot of 80's flashbacks.
Nothing special about it.
Keybern 1 year ago
While there is nothing illegal about using a synth preset, it has a certain amount of lameness associated with it. However: what works, works.
gloom303 1 year ago
@gloom303 dude every producer uses presets. Polow da Don - Usher love in this club - Native Instruments. Sean Garret - Mario - Break up - FL studio 7 etc etc etc.....
RizzoAstronama 1 year ago
Its not the same thing, and no you wouldnt credit them because thats what they made it for, for you to use. They didnt put the idea together the producer did. And in sometimes you may not kno that could have been his preset that he made with the company. Producers are regular people too...
BatesBenny 1 year ago
the song was amazing but what the fuck is the point of this who cares dude
MrChrisjack26 1 year ago
@MrChrisjack26 this video is for those interested in creating music ignorant fuck
MrKaliom 1 year ago
I will download Crystal! great Synth ahhh Airbase uses this synth too...
pytoche 1 year ago
Timbaland and The Neptunes use presets...what's the big deal? If we spend our time making our 'own' sounds (probably it will sound with something that already exists) we will loose our inspiration to create the music that was on our mind. We need something that allows us to be musicaly creative really fast. We are music producers, not Sound Designers.
VitorVitoriaBaia 1 year ago
@VitorVitoriaBaia this is timbaland preset its the program danja used when he was timbos co producer back 2 years ago
slokaka 1 year ago
Coincidence? Who gives a shit. Make your own stuff instead of being stupid all day long.
Jannto 1 year ago
Alot of artists use these programs if they want to give subliminal messages backwards. If you listen to gimme more backwards she is talking about the illuminati. The chorus backwards is hear me out. Hear me out etc. I know it sounds crazy but she saying that the music industry is messed up.
coolestali 1 year ago
The synth and/or preset maker doesn't get any credit any more than Roland, Korg would get credit if a song was made using their synth/preset. They are INSTRUMENTS. Instruments/presets don't make a song, what you do with an instrument/preset makes a song.
Think it's lame to use presets? Fine, spend your hours making your own sounds. If you're good maybe you can sell your presets so that people that want to write SONGS can use them.
chico2jones 1 year ago
Despite how many presets you can find in current pop music (there are many more than just this), it still takes some actual creativity to incorporate it into a catchy song as well as talent to do it properly. For example, look up "fl studio auto-tune" or "benassi bass", check all the incredibly poor/boring/out-of-key content, and then try to do better yourself. If you can't do something WITH presets.. Not to mention most of the cost goes towards mastering, which has no presets and never will.
gumenski 1 year ago
You'd figure that the recording industry has millions to blow on the best gear -and that their gear allows them to make the best music. The reason this video is important is that it breaks down that preconception. With synthesizer emulation and virtual instrumentation, you can do EVERYTHING they do, except they just get paid more to do it :p. (Well... you do have to learn how to play the instrument at some point)
TasuLife 1 year ago 2
who cares?
Grogie4dagurlz 1 year ago
Leave Brittney's Producers ALONE!!!
HenrydeBeli 1 year ago 76
@HenrydeBeli RIGHT NOW!
TheOfficialWoover 5 months ago
@HenrydeBeli danja is his name ;)
slokaka 4 months ago
Free vst = cheap Britney xD?
TranceDash 1 year ago
The key is being able to build around the arp present and create a hit, which most people can't do.
RockItProductions 1 year ago
i knew it man!!! they are using tha same shit! and here is tha proof!!! THX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
jay27flow 1 year ago
This is really moronic. Coincidence how? Dude free VST instrument is just a tool. Use it how you like. Make hit. Earn money! Done!
Why the heck you want to spend 100 000$ on gear ?
anap25 1 year ago
Make Britney is just cheap? xD
xTheEmoOctopusx 1 year ago
a hit's a hit.. who cares
osoar215 1 year ago
Crystal is probably the best free VST synth, Satuloop is a cool preset. I've used it in a song. The dude who developed it is on to bigger and better things although I cant recall his name.
coronet67 1 year ago
Fuck yeah, Presets are awesome. heh heh
loafpork 1 year ago
yes but change the song...idiot
baccio1994 1 year ago
so you think that producers are not allowed to use FREE tools? Lulz :D It is just their advantage when they can use whatever is available, paid or not.
Tool itself is NOT making music, it still has to be the producer who creates music
totojejedinecnynick 1 year ago
Cool find! Not suprised though , the producers at that level are not much better than your average fruity loops guy on youtube.
jeeaaman 1 year ago
@TSDMusicND
well... it's free!
ButterflyNM14 2 years ago
it doesnt fucking matter u retarded neek, presets are there to be used
hcbsilvablade 2 years ago
yeah it doesnt surprise me this happened
after britney lost her head alot of producers woulda been thinkin "nah i dont want anything to do with that" lol
so she woulda got some no name just started off
aaaah who gives a fuck, britneys a shitcake anyways
StackCityEntOfficial 2 years ago
The guy who produced this is Timbalands protege DanjaHandz.. hes now a major force in the music industry. wasn't a no name then isn't one now
btw... does any use Crystal with Pro tools????
VarialProductions 2 years ago
oh serious? i always thought they would have scouted for some underground producers
hussein fatal from 2pacs outlaws did that for one of his latest albums
StackCityEntOfficial 2 years ago
I am going to do a "Soulja Boy is using FL Studio" video now xD
odaxelagniaproject 2 years ago
GIMMME MOREEE WUahahha
corputtyv 2 years ago
listen to sodapop808 spesh
ellollio 2 years ago
its always great to tweak sounds yourself but if youre under pressure by labels to get songs done quickly then a preset is much handier. if it gets the job done then how bad..
rayzer1981 2 years ago
Its not the cost of the tool used in the hand of the artsist, but the art made by the artist who has a tool in his hand that counts!
sodapop808 2 years ago 2
The sound aso sounds like the Nicole Scherzinger- Whatever U Like, or is it just me?
JHpr0duction 2 years ago
Why not i knew this since the song came out but looking at the views i put a vid up too
dyla98 2 years ago
regardless its still a nice beat
NeztyKash 2 years ago
Lol, just lol.
NicaelJosti 2 years ago
LOL & FAIL.
AburameFifox 2 years ago
lol, Good sound does not have to be expencive
btw: tweaking is much more fun:d
Retrovanch 2 years ago 2
sooo many producers use free vsts ummm Drummaboi, Dj Montay, Pitbull, Lil Jon, Timbaland... its all about taking that sound and tweeking it and making it yours
NeztyKash 2 years ago
Timbo got in trouble for "tweaking' without permission.
QueenAnime99 2 years ago
@NeztyKash
Haha, maybe so.. But it seems somebody out there figured they'd forget the "tweaking it and making it yours" bit, huh?
mogwais 2 years ago
Yeah well, timbo didn't exactly take a VST instrument and not tweak it. He used a complete SONG made by someone else and pasted stuff on it. That' s different by far from "not tweaking" your instrument. And besides, if your instrument comes with presets, you can use them unless explicitly stated otherwise in the software licence.
Nequame 2 years ago
And another thing, the drum beat from Rhianna's Umbrella is a (slightly altered) free loop off of GarageBand.
jumhed 2 years ago
The sytnh used in this clip is freeware, and called Green Oak Crystal.
jumhed 2 years ago
that was from a sony smple cd ;)
ordinarynrg 2 years ago
Kudos to the producer. Decent.
jumhed 2 years ago
This proves that you don't need a millions of dollars to make a hit.
errolsmusic 2 years ago 60
Uh... what's the big deal? A producer used a free VST. So what? If anything, that shows resourcefulness on the part of the producer budget wise and a good taste in cost efficient VSTs.
skyclaw441 2 years ago
unfortunately crystal SUCKS, it uses sample stratching which is the most unprofessional method to make melody ever.
Yunneck 2 years ago
LOLLLL
Chrisjohnstonproject 2 years ago
lol you said "coincidence?" at the end, huh?
7thSense 2 years ago
aucun rapport serieux! LOL
les presets sont SOUVENT utilisé dans le pop-dance! ta rien decouvert! LOLLLL
ta refait les accords pis els notes aik un instrument qui ressemble a celui de gimme more.. so what? LOL ki a composé les notes? danja je producer so.. c pas le plug in qui a composer la melodi par lui meme..
MrMeagainstthemusic 2 years ago
LMAOOO
VinniesBlockBoi 2 years ago
POWNAED
Speedwayzzz 2 years ago
so a producer used a synth plugin on some music, surprisingly I don't see this as earth shatteringly interesting
watchtheskies 2 years ago 3
err... That's the point of soundpatches... You use them in music.
nordemoniac 2 years ago 4
i use this sound in my track "i´m the candyman" .. check on my profil
....and this sound is use in Nicole Scherzinger - whatever u like ft. t.i
ILMBerlin 2 years ago
it dont matter if the the vst is free or if the producer used a preset. people hate cuz they couldnt come up wit the idea
mcturk17 2 years ago 4
does it matter if it's free or not?
music that is created in poor circustamses can be as good as the mainstream shit
samamies88 2 years ago 5
for a fee...
romagen 2 years ago
Hey I don't see a real problem with using presets as long as you don't over use them. SOmetimes presets may be just the sound you're looking for or sometimes they inspire you to make something. That's what they're there for. I'd be pretty irritated if a synth came with NO presets and I'm sure you wouldn't be very happy either.
Dreamcube017 2 years ago
Most people are like "VST whaaaat?" haha, I think it's what you do with what you've got. If you can rock the house with free software, more power too ya. It's more about the producer than the software anyway. Give cheap equipment/software to a producer with a gift and you will be amazed. Gifted artists create. It's just what they do...More power to Britney's producer.
roblovegreen 2 years ago
I'm sorry..im a little confused about the video......If the company made a free vst. And the producer then used the free vst . where is the issue?
BigmusicbizTV 2 years ago 32
@BigmusicbizTV i wouldn't call it an issue its just funny that they used a free preset for a multi million dollar artist haha
wam8atigs 1 year ago
@BigmusicbizTV thats what im saying.. it doesnt matter what you use anyways as long as your satisfied, or your fans are satisfied or your client.... hopefully all 3
BatesBenny 1 year ago
@BigmusicbizTV HE used a preset, rather than making the sound from scratch like skilled producers do.
Unless of course the maker of this vst tried to replicate the sound the producer made. It's a question of which came first. (that's what she said)
eleckson 1 year ago
@eleckson Lots of producers use presets and then tweak them. Programming synths and producing songs are two completely different artforms.
Jannto 10 months ago
this is retarded..why the fuck would he credit the vst programmer?..lol..they could care less,,they already got paid when they sold theyre software, they dont give a shit. As for using presets..you dont have to be a sound designer to make a hit record..ive noticed the only people who get hung up about this type of shit are people with very little talent, who lack the understanding of what producing a record is really about..
DavidBowes 2 years ago
Didn't you read the description? The plugin is FREE. You DON'T buy it. You CAN'T buy it.
atomatwelve 2 years ago 12
@atomatwelve ur a fuckin idot they made a free vst and gave it away and it was used ur a fuckin idiot i hate motherfuckers like you do the world a favor dont have children
hardtarget813 1 year ago
@atomatwelve this beat wasnt made by any producer it was produced by non other than danja nate flyod hills he is one of the best producer out there he made most of the music whit timbaland he made nelly furtado lose album and keri hilson and timbaland shock value album and he produced moste of britny spears album o yeah and he is usign logic pro for production hehe
slokaka 1 year ago
@atomatwelve you do not understand the philosophy of "crediting" someone.
and you do not understand the concept of "freeware".
to put it simple for you: in this case there is no need to credit anyone, no matter if it is free or not.
bombur792 1 year ago
very true,lol. The talented people usually use presets because they rather use their time to crank out hot tracks. The people who have no ideas sit around designing sounds all day, learning sound design, etc.
7thSense 2 years ago
@DavidBowes a thousand thumbs up
osoar215 1 year ago
Her producer has just been caught using newb presets! lol
FieryChill 2 years ago 4
she still suck
zenu16 2 years ago
she sucks, but the producer is a beast!
Gullabom 2 years ago 3
This has been flagged as spam show
thanks for the video good stuff
coldbeerxtreme 2 years ago
looks like a sample-police :D
ZEANski 2 years ago 3
I'm not exactly sure what the point is here. They used a free VST just like everyone else...
koobydotnet 2 years ago 4
Pllow da don used this sound on the song of Nicole sherzinger "what ever you like".
There's nothing bad about using stock sounds if you are inspired to make hits with them.
KaplounBeats 2 years ago
bigblueamoeba[dot]com/mirror/greenoak/files/Crystal.zip
(Assuming you're asking for Crystal)
GeneAlex 2 years ago
"Did the producers credit the VST programmer and the person that made the preset?"
If you release a free VST you can expect people to use it. It's unreasonable to demand that producers list every synth and preset they've used.
Also, just because something is made from a preset doesn't mean it's bad.
Gameboygenius 2 years ago
Creative? Ass-burning?
There is no creativity that goes into making crap like this, pop music has always been based on ripping ideas from creative underground producers and diluting it with very very simply chord sequences that do not invoke thought.
Veqtor 2 years ago
Please man, get off your beard-stroking ass and make a #1 hit yourself if it's as easy as ripping someone off and diluting it. Fucks sake... I'm not saying all the mainstream hit stuff is good, I don't like it, but you gotta realize they do have some skill.
tifius 2 years ago 3
I know some really big names in the industry and they say it's all about knowing the right people, it doesn't really matter about quality, not when it comes to pop music. It isn't like doing something like stockhausen, schönberg, debussy, mozart. Most basic pop stuff is pre-laid out, that's why there are so many pop-bands that sound okay if not better than the mainstream on myspace, but they don't have a billion dollar PR-machine broadcasting their tracks on radio... just saying...
Veqtor 2 years ago
Actually, I wouldn't have to make a potential hit song, just run the common melodies and chord progressions into a factor oracle algorithm, throw on some synthesized vocals and voila, you have an auto-generating pop-machine, but why would I want to construct a software that spews out garbage when there is already too much of it?
Veqtor 2 years ago
To get rich as fuck and then do whatever you want? If you know some really big names in the industry then why aren't you partying with Britney making shit music?
tifius 2 years ago
unfortunately you're right. madonna's "erotica" sounds to me IDENTICAL to aphex twin's "we are the music makers" and so forth...today's mainstream is always 10 years ago's underground, and the nineties will always be an endless source of inspiration with all the stuff that's been going on back then...
godmode1 2 years ago
as for the "it's all about knowing thew right people" part, i couldn't agree more, especially in the music business and especially these days, when talent has become irrelevant, everything's ripped of, then "fixed" in the studio, quantized, pitch-corrected, etc
godmode1 2 years ago
lol wut
One would think someone who gets to produce for britney spears wouldn't use some shitty vsti.
But no, all that hardware they always sport in big studios is just for show...
Veqtor 2 years ago
Who gives a shit?
The reason this guy is a successful producer is because he's more about making pop music than "tweaking the cutoff, brah."
How is it any different than, say, using a sample? Or an instrument like a piano which is barely tweakable?
ChaseKittens 2 years ago
When the vst is free and when its published.. then that means anyone can use.. and theres no need of giving credits to the original programmer..
darrelmasc 2 years ago
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darrelmasc 2 years ago
Ooh, Crystal. I've had that for a while now. Love it. ;)
And I've been a FL user for several years, too. ^^
Nitruix 2 years ago
to noizeviolation : ARE YOU DUMB??? of course they use presets!!!!! the size of the studio or the professinal tools they have are nothing !!!!!!
umtata 2 years ago
Let's say for the sake of the argument that he used the free vst plugin. SO??? I thought that's the whole purpose of a program...free or not. To USE IT. I can show you at least another dusin artists that did the same thing. Who really cares?
DjCatani 2 years ago
i've got the FL studio 8 its exactly the same program :p
4motionshiphop 2 years ago
the producer is DanjaHandz and he didnt credit anybody ;)
McFanick 2 years ago
Nice, I got all the music programs and plug-ins that you need for free
freemusicprogram 3 years ago
yea well there is a limit to how nice sounds u can get out of a synth atb uses refx nexus and tiesto uses sytrus presets sometimes
KrazyKryz 3 years ago
Lot's of studio use plugs these days. Let's say this is the software he used.
1.) Nobody creates a vst (free or not) in the hopes that it will never get used by another professional or amateur.
2.) I guess both the VST and the preset got the job done.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. 'Crystal' is a decent VST... use it.
Tweed242 3 years ago
well what do you know, danja uses fruityloops!
what version of fl is that vst on? i havent seen it before..
chowmein911 3 years ago
This is a dumb argument!
This is not the same plug they used either. They don't use plugs, they produce with professional equipment (nord?) in a major recording studio..
Come on meow!
noizviolation 3 years ago
VST's see a LOT of use in pro applications. Good lord.
ChaseKittens 2 years ago
if you think about it,pianos are one big preset.people make millions from that.
dragonstyle79 3 years ago
you have a point
snolan1990 2 years ago
ridiculous
Dentagueule 3 years ago
for those who dont understand: the point is that any1 can make this crap, who the fuck uses presets? and then make millions of dollars with it :O:O:O then u did a good job in my opinion but still it sux badass
Vypertje 3 years ago
Since you find out, you should be a billionaire pop producer as I write this comment ! You ain't ?
nikoBCN 3 years ago
pop producers aren't hired based on skills, it's based on who you KNOW. Basically, the quality of the music you hear on the radio and on tv is completely random.
Veqtor 2 years ago
Holy fuck who gives a damn.
Hasbone 3 years ago
What do you want him to use ?
ROLLS ROYC VSTi ?
Is it available ? ha ha ha
barzoman2 3 years ago
at any level, the only thing that matters in music is the final product, not if it was made with a bunch of thousands dollars plugins.
boisbrut 3 years ago
its not a bad thing to use free vsts for commercial use. its great for the vst creator. free plugins doesnt have to be bad you know :P
DJayFreeDoo 3 years ago
who gives a fuck what he used.....you wouldn't be bitching about it if you made it and made mass money off it...you would see it as mass profit
animalFLESH 3 years ago
Ofcourse idio.....if you are a real professional producer then you can turn garbage into music....Thats why he does Beats to Britney ! =)
Jultesnutten 3 years ago
hahahahah
vegardertilbake1 3 years ago