my pasifika neighbor island of tonga--you ruled polynesia--and my homeland of MARSHALL ISLANDS aka--LOLLE'...we ruled the micronesia--ancient tymes is for' realzzz---
nice video:) samoans are very unique & i love their dances and costumes , mind you im tongan though & LOUD N PROUD baby :) lol . & samoans guys are hot hot hot ;) ahahar . but the haters against us tongans bro ur just putting urselves down ... peace ya`lll :D x
DarealDUBriDah Tu'i Manu'a Empire influence/rule was at one time or another felt throughout all of Samoa, Tonga, the Niuas/Niue, the Marquesas, Fiji, Rotuma, the Cook Islands, Uvea, Futuna, Tokelau, and Rurutu. Tu'i Manu'as Empire was known as the Manuatele (Great Manu'a) and the Faleselau (House of Hundreds). Tu'i Manu'a is mentioned in Eastern Polynesia as "Manuatere", and mentioned as Manuka in Tonga and the Cook Islands.
yeah but there are also many that follow the same thread, when i say over arches, i mean that it connects with each other not one supercedes the other, well i see that i cant change your mind over the matter, but definitely explore some more Samoan pre 18th century history literature, im sure you'll really find it interesting, I hope that may change your mind hehehe. ia manuia, Soifua
yeah i know thats what you said its just that you said that the Tongan conquest of Polynesia never happenned, however tongan and Samoan academics both agree that according to both our oral traditions, archaeological and anthropological evidence it did happen thats what im trying to say, and during this time many Samoan practices were imported to Tonga, Including certain dances which eventually evolved into the Tau'olunga, your right, it wasnt the Tau'olunga like we see it today till much later
prettypatty21 no offense but how can you speak about Samoa as a whole when you barely even know about Tutuila and the Manu'a islands? You have to remember that Manu'a has the most history and is a very sacred island in Samoa so before you can speak about Samoa as a whole you have to learn about Samoa as a whole not just Savaii and Upolu.
also, Samoa does have many differing oral traditions from village to village, however there are some that are overarching as they involved the entire nation, ie the Tongan conquest of the Pacific and Samoa's rebellion and led to Samoa being the independent nation you stated earlier in the 19th century ie 1840 when the messenger of peace arrived at Sapapalii Savaii. I dont understand what your problem is? i thought we were having a healthy debate and your getting defensive again
ok well thats good then because you didnt make that clear in the beginning you were saying why should we believe oral histories and now you say your are proud of your oral history, thats good, as for the imposing, everyone has to make a decision based on the facts presented to them thats not called imposing, i havent forced you to believe anything other than what you believe in, im just asking you to look at the evidence thats all, that's not imposition,
your absolutely right there, but the thing is, there is a great difference between Samoan mythology and oral history, as for the you cant force people to believe in what you believe thats totally right as well, im just offering you my opinion based on what i have studied, but you cant deny that Samoa's oral history isnt important, its the basis of so much in our country from land titles to lineage and ultimately power. thats what im trying to get accross.
prettypatty21 we had a discussion before and you clearly stated that you dont really know that much about Tutuila and Manu'a because they dont talk about it that much in Western Samoa. Since you dont know about Tutuila and Manu'a then why do you speak about Samoan history as a whole? In Manu'a and Tutuila I was taught that Tongans came from Samoa. When the great Tu'i Manu'a ruled many pacific islands in the past including Tonga he ran those islands just like Samoa.
prettypatty21 and when Tu'i Manu'a ruled those islands just like Samoa, that is when Tonga inherited the Taualuga and Ma'ulu'ulu. The Tonga royal family started off of Samoans from Manu'a. That is why when Tonga rued Samoa they never touched the Manu'a islands for that is where they came from and that is the land of their fathers.
prettypatty21 Tu'i Manu'a was the father of the first Tu'i Tonga. Being that Tu'i Manu'a was his father, that gave him high status and rights to rule Samoa. The Samoan people didn't mind him ruling Samoa for his father was Tu'i Manu'a. It wasn't until the 10th or 11th Tongan King started treating the Samoan people bad is when Tuna and Fata rose to power. Their was never slavery, slavery is just an opinion.
well im glad to see that you guys are keeping your islands traditions alive, obviously what we are taught sometimes differ, but thats the beauty of discussion, thanks for the debate! Ia Manuia!
yeah i know we had this discussion before and we agreed to disagree remember, but i never mentioned slavery and the discussion i was having with aug43t was over the tongan conquest part, it really stemmed from un needed insults in an otherwise good robust debate as well as contradictary explanations of the validity of oral history, aug43t believed it to be unreliable which i found to be a contradiction becauese even what you are claiming is based around that too. dont worry no offence taken.
denying our oral tradition is to deny the existence of our culture, our navigational history, our interaction with each others islands, our language, its all based on our oral tradition, it is fundamental to how the fa'a Samoa has survived over centuries, your saying to me dont believe in what my culture has taught me effectively. It is the greatest treasure our islands possess, our paper and ink are etched into our hearts and the islands we inhabit, your looking at it from western eyes.
lol yeah i get your point, but our oral history is by no means a game of chinese whispers, in fact it wasnt like we sat around a campfire spreading stories for centuries, people traditionally were named after important events, whole villages in Samoa through their faalupega recite whole histories through their villages constitutions, add to that the mounting anthroipological and archaelogical evidence which backs up the oral tradition
and further to that, its not a put down to Samoans hello im Samoan!! History is full of countries that have been conquered and never returned to their indigenous people, it should be a source of pride for our people that although we have been overrun by foreigners Samoans have the strength and resilience to continue to take back what is theirs, Samoa mo Samoa, dont take it as an insult and dont deny our history bcause of what a white man told you is real or not real thats a real naive attitude
lol of course Samoa and Tonga only have oral traditions, but that does not make it any less valid, its like saying to Someone who is religious that you cant believe in God because you have never seen him. Oral histories if traced and are found to be interwoven through many cultures have some obvious strengths, and the university reference was in reply to the fact that you had the gall to try and insult me again by insinuating that im quoting my momma? hmmm thanks for that
it is documented in our history as well as throughout Polynesia that Tonga ruleD most of Polynesia, Malietoa was given his name when Samoa defeated the Tu'i Tonga and expelled Tonga in battle hence the departing Tu'i Tonga calling out Malie Tau,(Good Battle) Malie Toa (strong Warrior), Unfortunately you may need to put down your references, have a look at Malama Meleisia's work to name one off the cuff, and i got my information a University degree that has my name printed on it thanks.
hmmmm im sorry where in any of my comments did i say anything contrary to what you are saying? no need for the insults and for your information i have actually "looked up" the history of the ta'uolunga and its very interesting, my original comment was in reference to the ignorance of the presenter, and i have met many Tongan academics and learnt from many over during my time of study which was what my original comment was in reference to. thanks but no thanks for the insults!
man whateva to what yous are sayin but farrr these guys are really really gud i loved watching Macauly(sori if i got it wrong) THEY WERE THE BOMB AND AVODALE WERE AWESOME
man stop all that fighting guys talk about the clips u guys r watching and while samoans and tongans are fighting african americans are using samoa moves in movies like stomp da yard wen its really samoan slap dance
fuck dat war in iraq..fighting for peace my ass...when has peace ever come from war?????? oil is what you fighting and dying for my man..fuck george bush and fuck da corrupted government of da U.S.of fucking A..what every1 should do is pray for the kids and innocent families in iraq........not dem soldier's thats killing them...FUCK THE GOVERNMENT...
I served with Samoans and Tongans in Iraq just to save our Polynesian side.and here I find people arguing about ancient history,wars of long ago..remember we are fighting a war right now in Iraq..stop criticizing each other and pray for us soldiers in Iraq..there are some samoans and tongans,micronesians,tuvalu's,tokelaun's,all other Polynesians here in our camp..so pray for us instead of fighting each other..one love my people.
How Yall Goin TO Sit Here IN Say Samonz Started The Ma'ulu'ulu And All Your Dancez Suck Dick Like THat Samoan Bitch THat Sucked MAH DICK LAST NIGHT!!!
I thought that everyone knew that it was bwrd from Samoa, and it was actually tken from Samoa during Tongas rule, please make sure that you take the time to learn your Samoan history before you comment, Im Samoan n I took the time to learn my hiatory and the more I learnd bout it the more I realised that the Tongan and Samoan people have a common history based on centuries of close cultural kinship underpinned by brotherhood, conflicts 2day between our peoples stems from ignorance! stop hating
prettypatty21 no offense my Samoan or Tongan brother but it was actually borrowed during the time of Samoa's rule in Tonga. Tu'i Manu'a ruled Tonga and ran Tonga exactly like Samoa. Tu'i Manu'as Samoan influence in Tonga was very strong. The first King of Tonga was Tu'i Manu'as son.
dont wori no offense taken at all, im glad someone is up for factual based debate, ive always heard conflicting stories, but there is no real evidence that the Tu'i Manu'as son was the first king of Tonga, what is more likely is that the first King of Tonga actually married someone from Manu'a, but the main thing is that at this time our prople had far more interaction than toward the end of the 19th Century when we were discovered. It was not so much as Samoan rule in Tonga, more like influence
prettypatty21 no offense but wrong again. It is already proven that Ahoeitu was Tu'i Manu'as son. Samoa did rule Tonga but this was way before the white people discovered Polynesia.
prettypatty21 the recent Tongan King himself even mentioned that the Tongan Royal family are all descendents of Tu'i Manu'a. That is 1 of the reasons why Manu'a was said to have been sacred and ancient.
oops my last comment wasnt clear, what i mean is that at the time this may be true that ahoeitu came from Manu'a, but that hardly means that Samoa ruled Tonga, at the time of interaction remember that we were not politically defined as Samoa perse or Tonga perse, so its more likely that there was Samoan influence in Tonga as your timeline suggests, this was way before we became defined island groups and before the Tongan conquest of the Pacific, the Taualuga didnt come to Tonga till then
prettypatty21 where did you learn Samoan history from again? LOL I respect your opinion but you really need to learn about Tu'i Manu'a and the Manu'a islands instead of not looking at Manu'a and American Samoa as Samoa. I can tell from the message you sent me that your from Western Samoa but that doesn't make you better then Samoans from Tutuila or Manu'a.
OMG i did not say anywhere that Manu'a or American Samoa is not Samoa, in fact im disappointed that in this part of the world American Samoa is often treated separately, yeah ok Ahoeitu may have come from Manu'a but you are missing the point im trying to make completely, its that this does not mean that Samoa ruled Tonga like you suggested and this is not the same thing as the Tongan conquest of most of Polynesia, which is when the Taualuga became the bwrd Tau'olunga in Tonga.
prettypatty21 maybe if you would study about the Manu'a islands and Tutuila then you would learn even more about Samoa history. Western Samoa and American Samoa are all Samoa like the saying Samoa Mo Samoa.
And btw personal attacks are usually a sign that youve got nothing in a debate so please refrain from doing so, people from all of Samoa's islands are Samoans, another piece of history seeing you love so much on schooling everyone, the tripartite agreement is the reason y we are a divided people. Yes the Palagi's divided us Politically, but why has reunification talks never taken place? because Am Sams doesnt want to. So who REALLY thinks they are superior?
I admit that this area that you have referenced one im not too familiar with, thats because i havent really looked at Manu'a and American Samoa much, we dont tend to include it where i was brought up, so thanks for the tips lets hope were not being patronising to each other coz i really do value learning more about Samoan culture and history.
yep thats what i said, and i do want to learn more about those islands as my knowledge in that area is limited, i just hope that you realise that my point was not meant to attack american samoa, rather a clarification of an earlier point where you claimed Samoa ruled Tonga which I dont think really happenned in the same manner as what Tonga's conquest was in Polynesia,from what youve told me but its a moot point now, and we can agree to disagree? thanks for the enlightening comments.
prettypatty21 make sure you study about Tu'i Manu'a and the Manu'a islands before you claim that you know Samoa history for Tutuila and Manu'a have so much history especially Manu'a. I dont know if they teach about Tu'i Manu'a and the Manu'a islands in Western Samoa? But you should look into that for he ruled Tonga before Tonga ruled Samoa. No disrespect tended, Samoa Mo Samoa.
Well from waht "Little" I do know about Manu'a, we were taught that it was where originally i raimi anamua it was the seat of Power in Samoa, so we dont belittle it, what i was referring to was the way in which Tonga later on captured almost all of Polynesia, and getting back to the original point, my understanding is that this is the time the Tauolunga was bwrd from us, No disrespect but we get it you know more about Tututila and Manua but thats not really the point of this debate.
prettypatty21 the 1st Tongan King Ahoeitu was the son of Tu'i Manu'a. So of course the Tongan people would know about the Taualuga and the Ma'ulu'ulu. The Tongans loved it so much that they adopted it from Samoans.
well to me thats all speculation to be honest but if proven to be wrong, i totally accept it, what i mean by that is that it does not necessarily mean that it was taught at that stage, are you sure that we had even devlped it at that point in history? my lecturer in Tongan dance actually claimed that the ma'ulu'ulu came to Tonga much later than the Tauolunga, around the time of the missionaries. but hey what would he know. But again I have to concede that we should agree to disagree.
prettypatty21 you sure your name isnt MaoriTongan1Born? He talks exactly like you, "But again I have to concede that we should agree to disagree". You sure your not him?
hahhahaha nope, and I aint Maori or Tongan hehehehe. and agree to disagree is quite a common phrase so thats probably why you thought that. malo lave.
I'm sorry but I personally don't think all Tongans think alike in this matter, some of them already know the fact of where the taualuga originated from and I guess the rest just don't wanna accept the fact or maybe just don't know. Other than that, it's sad to see that hatred still exist amongst our people.
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samoangem 1 year ago
my pasifika neighbor island of tonga--you ruled polynesia--and my homeland of MARSHALL ISLANDS aka--LOLLE'...we ruled the micronesia--ancient tymes is for' realzzz---
kingtriton09 1 year ago
nice video:) samoans are very unique & i love their dances and costumes , mind you im tongan though & LOUD N PROUD baby :) lol . & samoans guys are hot hot hot ;) ahahar . but the haters against us tongans bro ur just putting urselves down ... peace ya`lll :D x
TeaupaLole29 1 year ago
I'm sick of hearing plastic samoans speak, learn how to pronounce and speak your language properly
natiqo 1 year ago 3
@natiqo shes half cas. What were you expecting?
janson84 1 year ago
DLS ; they weree allqooods .
bro didnt even see JC ?
;L my qirl tali qoooes JC ; shout out to hr .
LOVEyooooou bub !
etstee 2 years ago
I like this video but those reporter are disturbing it,we already know what is going on,shut up and move away. thanks
ula714 2 years ago
De La Salle College was the best :D
Malaeisgay 2 years ago
can someone tell me where can i get the dvd or the vedio for this event please thanks
BiGrExXy 2 years ago
song @ 8.17 = Three Houses Down = dandyman
lskgrad03 2 years ago
I will kill myself if i was tongan...
motu852 3 years ago 19
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I will kill myself and my family if I was Samoan
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pullashizle 2 years ago
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that is a very un-christian like thing to say
Holajunior 1 year ago
DarealDUBriDah Tu'i Manu'a Empire influence/rule was at one time or another felt throughout all of Samoa, Tonga, the Niuas/Niue, the Marquesas, Fiji, Rotuma, the Cook Islands, Uvea, Futuna, Tokelau, and Rurutu. Tu'i Manu'as Empire was known as the Manuatele (Great Manu'a) and the Faleselau (House of Hundreds). Tu'i Manu'a is mentioned in Eastern Polynesia as "Manuatere", and mentioned as Manuka in Tonga and the Cook Islands.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
Wow awsome clips Polyfest08 Many thanks for posting. Could anyone tell me wats that cool reggae song at the end at 8:17 please?
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three houses down - dandyman
lskgrad03 2 years ago
They are so good.
talented 3 years ago
DarealDUBriDah my family comes from both Samoa and American Samoa.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
yeah but there are also many that follow the same thread, when i say over arches, i mean that it connects with each other not one supercedes the other, well i see that i cant change your mind over the matter, but definitely explore some more Samoan pre 18th century history literature, im sure you'll really find it interesting, I hope that may change your mind hehehe. ia manuia, Soifua
prettypatty21 3 years ago
yeah i know thats what you said its just that you said that the Tongan conquest of Polynesia never happenned, however tongan and Samoan academics both agree that according to both our oral traditions, archaeological and anthropological evidence it did happen thats what im trying to say, and during this time many Samoan practices were imported to Tonga, Including certain dances which eventually evolved into the Tau'olunga, your right, it wasnt the Tau'olunga like we see it today till much later
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 no offense but how can you speak about Samoa as a whole when you barely even know about Tutuila and the Manu'a islands? You have to remember that Manu'a has the most history and is a very sacred island in Samoa so before you can speak about Samoa as a whole you have to learn about Samoa as a whole not just Savaii and Upolu.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
also, Samoa does have many differing oral traditions from village to village, however there are some that are overarching as they involved the entire nation, ie the Tongan conquest of the Pacific and Samoa's rebellion and led to Samoa being the independent nation you stated earlier in the 19th century ie 1840 when the messenger of peace arrived at Sapapalii Savaii. I dont understand what your problem is? i thought we were having a healthy debate and your getting defensive again
prettypatty21 3 years ago
ok well thats good then because you didnt make that clear in the beginning you were saying why should we believe oral histories and now you say your are proud of your oral history, thats good, as for the imposing, everyone has to make a decision based on the facts presented to them thats not called imposing, i havent forced you to believe anything other than what you believe in, im just asking you to look at the evidence thats all, that's not imposition,
prettypatty21 3 years ago
your absolutely right there, but the thing is, there is a great difference between Samoan mythology and oral history, as for the you cant force people to believe in what you believe thats totally right as well, im just offering you my opinion based on what i have studied, but you cant deny that Samoa's oral history isnt important, its the basis of so much in our country from land titles to lineage and ultimately power. thats what im trying to get accross.
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 we had a discussion before and you clearly stated that you dont really know that much about Tutuila and Manu'a because they dont talk about it that much in Western Samoa. Since you dont know about Tutuila and Manu'a then why do you speak about Samoan history as a whole? In Manu'a and Tutuila I was taught that Tongans came from Samoa. When the great Tu'i Manu'a ruled many pacific islands in the past including Tonga he ran those islands just like Samoa.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
prettypatty21 and when Tu'i Manu'a ruled those islands just like Samoa, that is when Tonga inherited the Taualuga and Ma'ulu'ulu. The Tonga royal family started off of Samoans from Manu'a. That is why when Tonga rued Samoa they never touched the Manu'a islands for that is where they came from and that is the land of their fathers.
WarriorBK 3 years ago 2
prettypatty21 Tu'i Manu'a was the father of the first Tu'i Tonga. Being that Tu'i Manu'a was his father, that gave him high status and rights to rule Samoa. The Samoan people didn't mind him ruling Samoa for his father was Tu'i Manu'a. It wasn't until the 10th or 11th Tongan King started treating the Samoan people bad is when Tuna and Fata rose to power. Their was never slavery, slavery is just an opinion.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
prettypatty21 this and much more is what we are taught in Manu'a and Tutuila. Samoa has great history and I love everything about it.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
well im glad to see that you guys are keeping your islands traditions alive, obviously what we are taught sometimes differ, but thats the beauty of discussion, thanks for the debate! Ia Manuia!
prettypatty21 3 years ago
yeah i know we had this discussion before and we agreed to disagree remember, but i never mentioned slavery and the discussion i was having with aug43t was over the tongan conquest part, it really stemmed from un needed insults in an otherwise good robust debate as well as contradictary explanations of the validity of oral history, aug43t believed it to be unreliable which i found to be a contradiction becauese even what you are claiming is based around that too. dont worry no offence taken.
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 all Polynesian history is by word of mouth.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
denying our oral tradition is to deny the existence of our culture, our navigational history, our interaction with each others islands, our language, its all based on our oral tradition, it is fundamental to how the fa'a Samoa has survived over centuries, your saying to me dont believe in what my culture has taught me effectively. It is the greatest treasure our islands possess, our paper and ink are etched into our hearts and the islands we inhabit, your looking at it from western eyes.
prettypatty21 3 years ago
lol yeah i get your point, but our oral history is by no means a game of chinese whispers, in fact it wasnt like we sat around a campfire spreading stories for centuries, people traditionally were named after important events, whole villages in Samoa through their faalupega recite whole histories through their villages constitutions, add to that the mounting anthroipological and archaelogical evidence which backs up the oral tradition
prettypatty21 3 years ago
and further to that, its not a put down to Samoans hello im Samoan!! History is full of countries that have been conquered and never returned to their indigenous people, it should be a source of pride for our people that although we have been overrun by foreigners Samoans have the strength and resilience to continue to take back what is theirs, Samoa mo Samoa, dont take it as an insult and dont deny our history bcause of what a white man told you is real or not real thats a real naive attitude
prettypatty21 3 years ago
lol of course Samoa and Tonga only have oral traditions, but that does not make it any less valid, its like saying to Someone who is religious that you cant believe in God because you have never seen him. Oral histories if traced and are found to be interwoven through many cultures have some obvious strengths, and the university reference was in reply to the fact that you had the gall to try and insult me again by insinuating that im quoting my momma? hmmm thanks for that
prettypatty21 3 years ago
it is documented in our history as well as throughout Polynesia that Tonga ruleD most of Polynesia, Malietoa was given his name when Samoa defeated the Tu'i Tonga and expelled Tonga in battle hence the departing Tu'i Tonga calling out Malie Tau,(Good Battle) Malie Toa (strong Warrior), Unfortunately you may need to put down your references, have a look at Malama Meleisia's work to name one off the cuff, and i got my information a University degree that has my name printed on it thanks.
prettypatty21 3 years ago
hmmmm im sorry where in any of my comments did i say anything contrary to what you are saying? no need for the insults and for your information i have actually "looked up" the history of the ta'uolunga and its very interesting, my original comment was in reference to the ignorance of the presenter, and i have met many Tongan academics and learnt from many over during my time of study which was what my original comment was in reference to. thanks but no thanks for the insults!
prettypatty21 3 years ago
man whateva to what yous are sayin but farrr these guys are really really gud i loved watching Macauly(sori if i got it wrong) THEY WERE THE BOMB AND AVODALE WERE AWESOME
LOVED THE WHOLE THING
CLACASHACK 3 years ago
man stop all that fighting guys talk about the clips u guys r watching and while samoans and tongans are fighting african americans are using samoa moves in movies like stomp da yard wen its really samoan slap dance
kiodotcom 3 years ago
fuckl ur life biootch haha
Mobsta676 3 years ago
sole get a lesson in spelling, then come post ur saggyass comment, lmfao
zekro84 3 years ago
history debate still in session? It like started quarter of a century ago... when's recess???
zekro84 3 years ago
fuck dat war in iraq..fighting for peace my ass...when has peace ever come from war?????? oil is what you fighting and dying for my man..fuck george bush and fuck da corrupted government of da U.S.of fucking A..what every1 should do is pray for the kids and innocent families in iraq........not dem soldier's thats killing them...FUCK THE GOVERNMENT...
bulabongskiezz 3 years ago
I served with Samoans and Tongans in Iraq just to save our Polynesian side.and here I find people arguing about ancient history,wars of long ago..remember we are fighting a war right now in Iraq..stop criticizing each other and pray for us soldiers in Iraq..there are some samoans and tongans,micronesians,tuvalu's,tokelaun's,all other Polynesians here in our camp..so pray for us instead of fighting each other..one love my people.
urqueenie37 3 years ago 6
much love to all my island brothers and sisters.
supasta8881 3 years ago
Yall Suck!!!
How Yall Goin TO Sit Here IN Say Samonz Started The Ma'ulu'ulu And All Your Dancez Suck Dick Like THat Samoan Bitch THat Sucked MAH DICK LAST NIGHT!!!
You fuckin Dumb Shit!!!
Mobsta676 3 years ago
I thought that everyone knew that it was bwrd from Samoa, and it was actually tken from Samoa during Tongas rule, please make sure that you take the time to learn your Samoan history before you comment, Im Samoan n I took the time to learn my hiatory and the more I learnd bout it the more I realised that the Tongan and Samoan people have a common history based on centuries of close cultural kinship underpinned by brotherhood, conflicts 2day between our peoples stems from ignorance! stop hating
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 no offense my Samoan or Tongan brother but it was actually borrowed during the time of Samoa's rule in Tonga. Tu'i Manu'a ruled Tonga and ran Tonga exactly like Samoa. Tu'i Manu'as Samoan influence in Tonga was very strong. The first King of Tonga was Tu'i Manu'as son.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
dont wori no offense taken at all, im glad someone is up for factual based debate, ive always heard conflicting stories, but there is no real evidence that the Tu'i Manu'as son was the first king of Tonga, what is more likely is that the first King of Tonga actually married someone from Manu'a, but the main thing is that at this time our prople had far more interaction than toward the end of the 19th Century when we were discovered. It was not so much as Samoan rule in Tonga, more like influence
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 no offense but wrong again. It is already proven that Ahoeitu was Tu'i Manu'as son. Samoa did rule Tonga but this was way before the white people discovered Polynesia.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
prettypatty21 the recent Tongan King himself even mentioned that the Tongan Royal family are all descendents of Tu'i Manu'a. That is 1 of the reasons why Manu'a was said to have been sacred and ancient.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
oops my last comment wasnt clear, what i mean is that at the time this may be true that ahoeitu came from Manu'a, but that hardly means that Samoa ruled Tonga, at the time of interaction remember that we were not politically defined as Samoa perse or Tonga perse, so its more likely that there was Samoan influence in Tonga as your timeline suggests, this was way before we became defined island groups and before the Tongan conquest of the Pacific, the Taualuga didnt come to Tonga till then
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 where did you learn Samoan history from again? LOL I respect your opinion but you really need to learn about Tu'i Manu'a and the Manu'a islands instead of not looking at Manu'a and American Samoa as Samoa. I can tell from the message you sent me that your from Western Samoa but that doesn't make you better then Samoans from Tutuila or Manu'a.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
OMG i did not say anywhere that Manu'a or American Samoa is not Samoa, in fact im disappointed that in this part of the world American Samoa is often treated separately, yeah ok Ahoeitu may have come from Manu'a but you are missing the point im trying to make completely, its that this does not mean that Samoa ruled Tonga like you suggested and this is not the same thing as the Tongan conquest of most of Polynesia, which is when the Taualuga became the bwrd Tau'olunga in Tonga.
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 maybe if you would study about the Manu'a islands and Tutuila then you would learn even more about Samoa history. Western Samoa and American Samoa are all Samoa like the saying Samoa Mo Samoa.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
And btw personal attacks are usually a sign that youve got nothing in a debate so please refrain from doing so, people from all of Samoa's islands are Samoans, another piece of history seeing you love so much on schooling everyone, the tripartite agreement is the reason y we are a divided people. Yes the Palagi's divided us Politically, but why has reunification talks never taken place? because Am Sams doesnt want to. So who REALLY thinks they are superior?
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 this is what you wrote me,
I admit that this area that you have referenced one im not too familiar with, thats because i havent really looked at Manu'a and American Samoa much, we dont tend to include it where i was brought up, so thanks for the tips lets hope were not being patronising to each other coz i really do value learning more about Samoan culture and history.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
yep thats what i said, and i do want to learn more about those islands as my knowledge in that area is limited, i just hope that you realise that my point was not meant to attack american samoa, rather a clarification of an earlier point where you claimed Samoa ruled Tonga which I dont think really happenned in the same manner as what Tonga's conquest was in Polynesia,from what youve told me but its a moot point now, and we can agree to disagree? thanks for the enlightening comments.
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 make sure you study about Tu'i Manu'a and the Manu'a islands before you claim that you know Samoa history for Tutuila and Manu'a have so much history especially Manu'a. I dont know if they teach about Tu'i Manu'a and the Manu'a islands in Western Samoa? But you should look into that for he ruled Tonga before Tonga ruled Samoa. No disrespect tended, Samoa Mo Samoa.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
Well from waht "Little" I do know about Manu'a, we were taught that it was where originally i raimi anamua it was the seat of Power in Samoa, so we dont belittle it, what i was referring to was the way in which Tonga later on captured almost all of Polynesia, and getting back to the original point, my understanding is that this is the time the Tauolunga was bwrd from us, No disrespect but we get it you know more about Tututila and Manua but thats not really the point of this debate.
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 the 1st Tongan King Ahoeitu was the son of Tu'i Manu'a. So of course the Tongan people would know about the Taualuga and the Ma'ulu'ulu. The Tongans loved it so much that they adopted it from Samoans.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
well to me thats all speculation to be honest but if proven to be wrong, i totally accept it, what i mean by that is that it does not necessarily mean that it was taught at that stage, are you sure that we had even devlped it at that point in history? my lecturer in Tongan dance actually claimed that the ma'ulu'ulu came to Tonga much later than the Tauolunga, around the time of the missionaries. but hey what would he know. But again I have to concede that we should agree to disagree.
prettypatty21 3 years ago
prettypatty21 you sure your name isnt MaoriTongan1Born? He talks exactly like you, "But again I have to concede that we should agree to disagree". You sure your not him?
WarriorBK 3 years ago
hahhahaha nope, and I aint Maori or Tongan hehehehe. and agree to disagree is quite a common phrase so thats probably why you thought that. malo lave.
prettypatty21 3 years ago
I'm sorry but I personally don't think all Tongans think alike in this matter, some of them already know the fact of where the taualuga originated from and I guess the rest just don't wanna accept the fact or maybe just don't know. Other than that, it's sad to see that hatred still exist amongst our people.
Lahaina808 3 years ago
tongans reckon the taualuga is tongan..
ahh yeah, how bout you just get lost with your "tau'olunga"
hamstringsyo 3 years ago
i must say alot ov horses have gone missing!!
eahkae 3 years ago
dry
valentines01 3 years ago
i must say alot of the singing is off..no lies
valentines01 3 years ago
valentines01 and I must say you sure do love hating on Samoans.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
im just being honest
valentines01 3 years ago
valentines01 do you see any Samoans on the Tonga Stage 2008 video saying that the singing is off. Quit with the hating already.
WarriorBK 3 years ago
sus wondering, u tongan or samoan?
zekro84 3 years ago