False Teaching Embraced At Nazarene University

[bidcallerm]

Once NNC became NNU and accepted University status, they had no choice but to fling open the doors to these kooks or lose the federal funding a "University" brings with it. As an alumni of NNC, it was very disappointing to see this unfold and has become difficult to support the school because of it. If this Dr. Gas Bag wants to spread his hogwash to the lecture circuit, fine and dandy, but it has no place at NNU or any other bible based institution.

[thefatboymafia]

this is not false teaching I agree 100% with what he said and I'm a Christian

[MannyRSilva]

@thefatboymafia Please explain why what this man teaches is okay according to Scripture.  If no biblical explanation is given, I'll remove your comment.

[Kyouryuu5000]

@thefatboymafia

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6).

[HassArtsLLC]

This guy is dangerous! Same with Thomas Oord!!

[Ebo9508]

Jesus is on a journey? I didn't know Jesus was on a journey! Is he coming back? "Fulfilment Theory"? lol So now we're down to theories! Well, I feel so much better, now, knowing I can get in on a "Fulfilment Theory" discount! Just like the good old days of selling Indugences.

[whitesoxfanforsure]

@michael34453

World-views of Christianity. The perfect guide to living a Christian life is the Bible. "THE CHURCH" that Paul established...."THE CHURCH" that will be raptured.

Just study the Christian faith of Jesus Christ and defend it......not other junk.

[whitesoxfanforsure]

Some of these students are like....wait ..... I want my bloody American money back from this "Christian" college.

[whitesoxfanforsure]

First of all, the word Wonderful should only be associated describing the character of Jesus Christ....after all, The Nazarene song goes like this......Isn't He Wonderful, wonderful , wonderful, isn't Jesus my Lord Wonderful.......

can I get an Amen???

[ExcitingGuy35]

Every single comment this man makes begins with "I think...", but why would ANYBODY care about that? The only thing that counts is what GOD thinks, yet this idiot didn't think to consider God's words to us a single time in this talk. Clearly, this was not a lecture about what's TRUE or REAL - this was a talk about what this man thinks. My guess is, he really doesn't think MUCH! Regardless, James 3:1 has a strong warning for this man!

[liduq]

It is realy strange, if you look at his body language, the minute he starts talking about other religions, he crosses his arms, and hides his hands. That means he is completely closed to others as he speaks. Looks like he is not convinced himself of what he is saying.

[awaitthegroom]

John meets me through music? This man is talking nonsense and I think he knows he is not sound- he just want it to be so because it is more comfortable- another person who speaks like this in this rambling I am trying to convince myself too way is Rick Warren. Also Jesus will no way be in the "corner" of Heaven and this man will be on His knees giving account for these words before His throne- so sad.

[thedudewiththesax]

How can all these students just sit and be corrupted? I would have said something. Unforunatly, it wouldn't be anything nice because I haven't fully tamed my tongue yet.

[awaitthegroom]

@thedudewiththesax There is a time for silence but on these occasions we are called to give an answer.. Merton appears again and again yet they use the word Catholic without thinking- these young people may not have had much grounding yet but I would at 21 have had to stand up knowing that what he is saying is wrong.

[1964thewalrus]

With all due respect, manny, I am not insisting that anyone is a Christian. Dr. McDaniels proclaiming to be a Christian is between him and God, and, as I have stated, not him, God, and, you. No one owes you any proof of anything, it is not for your judgment. However, I will share an observation with you: It would serve you to get over your self-righteous judgment of others. May Peace be with you on your Spiritual journey.

Peace,

The Walrus

[whitesoxfanforsure]

@1964thewalrus

Judging others is based on the Word of God....ALWAYS!!!!!

[MannyRSilva]

At this point, it would be great, walrus, if you showed me- through the scriptures, not your opinion, why Dr. McDaniel is to be called a Christian, after listening to his own testimony. To continue insisting that anyone who calls himself a Christian, is a Christian, does not cut it with what the Bible sasy.

1 John 2:4 (NIV9 says, "The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

[1964thewalrus]

@MannyRSilva...It has nothing to do with opinion, my friend, everything to do with my personal relationship and communications with God.

Peace,

The Walrus

[MannyRSilva]

@1964thewalrus I agree. Nothing to do with opinion, everything to do with the Bible, what it teaches, obeying Christ, following right doctrine, and loving others. Anything else is not of God. There is no unity with unbelievers, or those who would pervert the gospel.

Gal. 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

[1964thewalrus]

@MannyRSilva: I respect and support your right to your opinion, and, what you have posted here, is your opinion, your Truth. May Peace be with you on your Spiritual journey.

My opinion: The Bible, though a good book, is not the Infallible Word of God. The Biblw was written by man.

My Truth: Through prayer and meditation, I converse with God. Through prayer, I speak to God. In meditation, God speaks to me through my Soul. I listen.

Peace,

The Walrus

[MannyRSilva]

@1964thewalrus I will pray for you, walrus. Sounds like you are creating your own religion as you go along. May you find the real Jesus, instead of this "Source".

[1964thewalrus]

@MannyRSilva: Through prayer and meditation, I converse with God on a daily basis, strengthening my relationship with Him. May Peace be with you on your Spiritual journey, my friend.

Peace,

The Walrus

PS: This is the third time that I have replied here. Only a coward would not approve my message.

[MannyRSilva]

@1964thewalrus Oh, I'm not cowardly, as you can see. Somehow, a few that I approved, did not approve. Nevertheless, you will find that I don't approve every single thing here just because its posted.

Perhaps you can answer this: how can a Christian tell that someone who claims to be a Christian, is not really a Christian?

[1964thewalrus]

@MannyRSilva: Thank you for approving what I had posted.

You claim to be a Christian, a Christian who has accused another, who also professes to be a Christian, of not being a Christian. If, this be true, then you have some idea, or, reason, and, no matter answer anyone gives you, unless the answer stacks up exactly with yours, you either will not approve it, or, you will deny that it could be Truth.

Answer: Anyone proclaiming Christ is a Christian. Not for another to judge.

Peace,

T W

[MannyRSilva]

@1964thewalrus Well, I gave you the opportunity to answer, however, you seem to sorely lack in biblical knowledge. Your answer as to who is a Christian is not biblically sound.

1 John 2:4 (NIV)

4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Your comment about not for another to judge is also unbiblical and shows again your lack of scriptural understanding. Christians are commanded to judge. You need to read the Bible a lot more.

[1964thewalrus]

@MannyRSilva: I believe that I had made my stand on the Bible clear, however, I will re-state it here. The Bible is not the infallible Word of God, it was written by man, subject to man's belief. And, no, manny, I do not need to read the Bible a lot more, my Spiritual compass comes from God, through prayer and meditation. Clear and untouched by man, however, believe whatever it is that you need to believe. May Peace be with you on your Spiritual journey.

Peace,

The Walrus

[MannyRSilva]

@1964thewalrus In all you have said, no mention of Jesus Christ, so I don't know for sure. Let me make it clear to you:

In Acts 4:12- Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

If you or anyone has not repented of your sins, and acknowledged Jesus Christ as your Savior, and turned from your wicked ways (as I also had to), your destination upon death is hell, in eternal punishment. I pray that is not so for you.

[1964thewalrus]

Bottom line is: It does not matter whether you believe that Dr. McDaniel or the LDS are Christians or not, what does matter is that they proclaim the Christ as their Savior. It is between them and Him, not, them, Him and you. The Source has accepted them.

[1964thewalrus]

Matters not what you believe of Dr. McDaniel's beliefs, he is a Christian, as are the LDS, however, your statis as a Christian is in doubt.

[1964thewalrus]

I went to the Source, was told that, yes Dr. McDaniel is a True Christian. and with all due respect, manny, no one is asking you to apologize, you are entitled to your opinion, your judgement of Dr. McDaniel, proves your point that "anyone can call themselves Christian."

[MannyRSilva]

@1964thewalrus I.m not sure where you went with that. I think you missed my point- Dr. McDaniel claims to be a Christian, and perhaps some people testify that they believe he is a Christian- but what he believes proves otherwise.

It's the same as a Mormon saying that he is a Christian- that does not make it true.

[1964thewalrus]

After listening to the lecture that you posted here, I find that Dr. McDaniel is a very spiritual and learned individual, and, has every right to call himself a Christian.

[MannyRSilva]

@1964thewalrus : Really, Walrus? On what basis do you come to that conclusion? What is biblically sound about what Dr. McDaniel teaches? If you can show me through the scriptures, I'll be glad to apologize and admit my mistake. Everyone can call themselves a Christian, but their fruits and what they believe must be measured by the authority of what God's word says- would you agree?

[SD4All]

This movement was beginning when I was at NNU and I am saddened to see that it appears to be increasing in frequency. I believe that NNU and its faculty have the best of intentions to allow frequently overly sheltered students to access the wider world of religion and to force them to choose for themselves and take ownership of their own beliefs. There is value in this idea, but the balance of ideas must remain weighted toward the orthodox and I fear that it may be shifting the other way.

[SD4All]

Manny,

I am also a former NNU student and I was in the religion department. I appreciate you making this video available, there are certainly some disturbing things here, and I am aware that this is not a unique event. I encourage you to listen to heartgirl, however and hear that there is more discussion behind the scenes than what you are seeing here in the video. I agree that this is not the best method of exposure, but you need to know that no student was ever penalized for their opinion.

[MannyRSilva]

The question remains, why are they allowing this to go on, unchallenged, and risk many students walking away from the Lord? Is that worth the price of a liberal arts education, and an open minded school? I think not.

[MannyRSilva]

And the only other explanation is that teachers like Tom Oord are on board with this heresy, and encourage it.

I watched the lecture from start to finish, several times, and not once does he get a serious challenge on his ideology. There is no doubt to any serious Bible believing Christian that this is heresy.

[MannyRSilva]

Young students are too immature and vulnerable, for the most part, and many have little knowledge of the Bible.

So to allow this kind of lecture, where the professors gave him nothing but praise and support, and to let them fend for themselves after the lecture, after being exposed to this, is to me, nothing more than dereliction of duty, for Christian professors.

[MannyRSilva]

heartgirl,

The fact the you attest that they were basically telling people to shut up unless you have a compliment for them, is telling! I would love to see Tom Oord or Jay McDaniel in a real one on one debate with a Bible believer at their level- but I doubt if they would take up the challenge. Instead they prey on students who dare not question anything, for fear of getting perhaps a bad grade.

[heartgirl40]

to not say anything if I didn't have something nice to say; we all were. The school welcomes people to give students different perspectives and then we consider what to do with these. We always want to extend Christlike love to our visitors. Just because you didn't see it right then doesn't mean that analytical thought wasn't occurring or that students weren't voicing their disagreement after class amongst themselves.

[heartgirl40]

as a former NNU student (04/05-05/06), I am aware that the religion dept. at NNU has had its run-ins with the denomination in the relatively recent past with with several of its proffessors and their "progressive" views. I wasn't a religion major, so I can't really speak more definitively than that. As for "fawning approval"... I wasn't there, so I don't know. I do know, however, that I have been to lectures on topics contrary to the beliefs held by the Nazarene church and had been admonished

[MannyRSilva]

redmond1913,

They will protest that I am twisting things, but their standard response is just that- that they allow for challenges to these teachers and refutations. Nothing could be further from the truth- There are many at these school who will have a lot to answer for in front of the judgment seat. We can only pray for their repentance, for their sake, as well as for the students who they are leading away like sheep to the slaughter.

[MannyRSilva]

gtrjunky,

Unfortunately, this school also is saturated with emergent ideology. A look at their pastoral programs shows an incredible amount of books for the courses- by Brian Mclaren, Rob Bell, Henri Nouwen, Brother Lawrence, and a host of false teachers from he emergent church.

One ironically humorous part of one of the degree program, is that they mixed in, among all these bad books, was a textbook by Voddie Baucham- who is definitely not emergent!

[silvr56tbird]

@MannyRSilva . . . to any true Bible-believing Christian who knows the scriptures - this kind of teaching is OBVIOUS heresy. You really have to be very naive' in bible doctrine to not see the deception of this professor. Scripture talks of a great apostasy in the last days - this is a very good example of that.

[redmond1913]

How sad that this school allowed such a false teacher to come into their school and teach such falsehoods. At the least there should have been someone to rebuff the lies being told. The part where he thinks Peter is going to welcome a Hindu in to heaven because they tried to do their best. Why does he think Jesus went to the cross? He makes the cross unimportant and unnecessary. Also Peter doesn't welcome anyone in, Jesus does. Woe to these school leaders.

[redmond1913]

So much error....how sad that these students are exposed to these lies and in a christian school no less. Paul warned about such as these and the old testament too is full of warnings about such false teachers. Woe to the people who allowed such lies to come into their school. The only way I can see any benefit from having this man in that school is to have a strong christian point out this mans errors and lies.

[gtrjunky]

Notice how @ the 1:45 mark he says he "went looking for writers..." (2 Timothy 4:3,4)

Unbelievable! This is the same kind of filth being spewed out by the emergent church.