welll u can blame the media, i mean they are scum after all, but it's just profiteering on their part, their just sensationalising because that's what sells. blame the majoirty of the general public for being retards, they're the ones who buy into it all.
If we are happy to blame things such as violent video games and violent films then why are re-creating news into a for of performance (reconstructions, videos etc..) why aren't sky news and co blamed as a source of encouragement for serious acts of crime?
@NicosNicosNicosNicos They don't get blamed though. This appears to be the only source available that blames the news stations for creating anti-heros. I recently read a book on the Jamie Bulger killers and each theory the author point at were video games, films and inner masculinity. The author, like many others failed to blame news channels and newspapers that had previously highlighted killers in the UK such as the Yorkshire Ripper, The Wests, as well as Hindley and Brady, and many more.
If you watch the full episode, just after this bit Brooker sighs and tells the audience to "go away" and bursts into tears as the credits roll. I know he faked it but it was pretty much how I felt after watching this
The mass media loves stories about mass murder and paedophilia, it sells newspapers and gets ratings for the news channels. The more the merrier as far as they are concerned.
I like Brooker, he basically shows us that media saturation (as well as their pandering to the lowest common denominator) are what's turning the human race into a gibbering bunch a baboons hell bent on finding out what Posh Spice is doing for her holiday next week
these scumbags are quick to slag of Mcdonalds as junk food ,so what about junk media?
an endless spew of liesand exagerations
fuck they couldnt even report on the snow without some twat standing there claiming that 9cm of snow was actualy a foot deep! didnt they realise all i had to do was look out my window or step out my door?so what'll they make up when theyre reporting on something that cant be so easily challenged?
so pure unadulterated shit for the mind ...poison .
@shakeythumbs Too right! Dont know if you saw 'The Day Today' or 'Brass Eye', who brilliantly satirised the sensationalist style and content of news programs.
I think we've been guilty of granting the premise that our broadcasting news goes to serve informing the general public, rather than raking in the ratings.
@shakeythumbs Saying the news channels are as guilty of murder as the jerk who pulled the trigger is like saying it is the girls fault she got raped because she was wearing a short skirt and she obviously wanted it. The news people might make the problem worse by glamorizing the event, but ultimately it is some fuckhead who pulled the actual trigger and killed people.
@IrishPaddy1 he has complete authority in the field - having psychoanalysed such cases as the mass murderer The Iceman for starters - so i would be doing anything he says if i were a media outlet!
I've been saying this for ages - every time there's a big shooting rampage, you'll find one or two "aftershocks" by copycats in the following weeks: Hungerford followed Julian Knight, Port Arthur followed Dunblane.
And wasn't it strange that in the two or so years immediately after 9/11 there were ZERO school/workplace massacres in the US? Up until then they were a fairly regular occurrence. Every couple of months some wimp would go nuts. Suddenly, that wasn't big enough anymore.
I thoroughly agree. I'm not saying that press concerning such violence should be censored- but for crying out loud, they should at least tone it down a bit.
Ex-SAS Andy McNab has wrote about this before. His theory is that a shit life in general will just get to someone and when it gets to breaking point their motivation is to be 'an hero'(internet meme believed to be a cross between 'a hero' and 'anti hero'. The goal is not revenge, the killings are usually random; the goal is fame in death.
When the media reports like this, they promote the idea that YOU TOO can have this. You can be something in death, impossible in life.
This is so true. But what is the answer? You HAVE to have free press, which means they will compete for viewers/readers, which nearly always means appealing to the lowest common denominator. If the 'people' were better educated, they would demand better standards in news and the Daily Mail etc would go out of business.....but a well educated, logical, decerning public would get rid of the greedy shits who run the country(s) double quick and THAT is why public education standards drop every year.
every multimillion industry needs a watchdog, but everything that they censor should be available for viewing.. online or something, just not aired on national tv and shoved down our throats!!
At this point they can show random youtube videos pingponging and it would count as good news. Point is that in the free market there's no quality control because we are stupid morond who eat everything whole sales - AND buy the shit they mention between programmes.
Oh wait I watch state TV in a commie country and I wish even that would state things straight out for once :'(
I think he's brillaint, for ages ive been waiting for someone to bite back at these self agrandising, over bloated, hipocratic roling news channells and i have always been a fan of Brooker, so to see him attck them with such an elegant peice of what can only be described as counter journalsim is fantastic. Long may you reign Charlie and why the fuck arnt you on BBC 1?!
How is he simplifying matters? He makes it very clear where his advice is directed, at the news media, not the government. Anti-depressant drugs have no proven correlation with school shootings, beyond the plainly obvious fact that these killers are depressed and disturbed individuals. Neither do illegal drugs, which thousands if not millions of schoolchildren worldwide use each year without murdering their fellow pupils, and millions more adults use every day without going on a violent rampage.
Regardless of how much after effect sensationalised news has, it is rubber-knecking garbage. Im stunned, does the gargantuan media network actually believe they're seperate from society to get away with this or do they know exactly what they're doing? Im not sure which is worse.
It's not exactly rocket science man. Not to take away from the psychiatrist, but it's pretty obvious that if you splash sensationalist 'news' about 'nihilistic pin-up boys' blamming up their schools then it's gonna become a part of popular culture and thus more frequent. Pity it takes a scientist to point that out.
Charlie Brooker is almost always sublime but this particular clip, the somber music overlayed to the psychiatrist going through what the media shouldn't do as he's clearly tried many times before, knowing what he's saying is falling on deaf ears...
Kostinsky J et al. "Threats of school violence in Pennsylvania after media coverage of the Columbine High School massacre: examining the role of imitation. " Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2001 Sep;155(9):994-100
shouldnt our media listen to a forensic psychiatrist (and common sense) over their own pathological need for ratings and controversy? news isnt meant to be a drama, its real life. im glad somebody has finally pointed this out
unfortunately, the media's best interests aren't the general public, it's attracting as wide an audience as possible, just like every other entertainment show on TV. I bet they're 100% aware of the vicious cycle they've created - sensationalize one killer, brings in lots of viewers which increases the chances of a copycat killing, which also gives them more news to talk about, more viewers and another killer to sensationalize etc.
Was fantastic. He really outdid himself. Dermot M trying to convince poor people on telly to commit live suicide..what a knob-end. I may marry Charlie now.
At least so far there have been no norway follow ups to my knowledge, but all of this is true for the coverage of that story.
razzledazzlerob 7 months ago
With these Norway killings that just happened, this clip is so relevant, as it is exactly how the BBC are running the story as I type this.
6oodfella 7 months ago 9
anyone know where to find this actual clip? I want to see the whole interview.
Heliosicle 9 months ago 3
welll u can blame the media, i mean they are scum after all, but it's just profiteering on their part, their just sensationalising because that's what sells. blame the majoirty of the general public for being retards, they're the ones who buy into it all.
dyneportega 9 months ago
3 psychopaths watched this
MikaShelley99 11 months ago
If we are happy to blame things such as violent video games and violent films then why are re-creating news into a for of performance (reconstructions, videos etc..) why aren't sky news and co blamed as a source of encouragement for serious acts of crime?
rowSseat21 1 year ago
@rowSseat21 They are being blamed for that, in this video.....!
NicosNicosNicosNicos 1 year ago
@NicosNicosNicosNicos They don't get blamed though. This appears to be the only source available that blames the news stations for creating anti-heros. I recently read a book on the Jamie Bulger killers and each theory the author point at were video games, films and inner masculinity. The author, like many others failed to blame news channels and newspapers that had previously highlighted killers in the UK such as the Yorkshire Ripper, The Wests, as well as Hindley and Brady, and many more.
rowSseat21 1 year ago
If you watch the full episode, just after this bit Brooker sighs and tells the audience to "go away" and bursts into tears as the credits roll. I know he faked it but it was pretty much how I felt after watching this
HarrisonRocks 1 year ago 4
The mass media loves stories about mass murder and paedophilia, it sells newspapers and gets ratings for the news channels. The more the merrier as far as they are concerned.
Athelstan12 1 year ago
@Athelstan12 bad news is good news
moorsalin3 1 year ago
That last comment was one of the truest explanations about the media ever
haribo687 1 year ago
And this is exactly what happened over the last 2 days after the Cumbria shootings :|
Riktenkay 1 year ago 3
@Riktenkay And it's still going on about itnow to be honest. I still hear about it now In West Yorkshire on the news.
countlodgeular 1 year ago 2
There is no profit in doing it his way.
thetoadwarrior 1 year ago 3
watching the whole scenario unroll again with the Cumbria shooting.. I'm afraid they will never learn :'(
whatsithair 1 year ago 8
@whatsithair you're totally right. I've been watching the coverage of the Cumbria shootings today and I'm tearing my hair out.
Extensive national coverage? Check
Anti-hero style mugshots? Check
Making the killer's name infamous? Check
Bets on the next massacre..? 2013? 2016? sooner?
petertrickaz 1 year ago
@whatsithair you're totally right. I've been watching the coverage of the Cumbria shootings today and I'm tearing my hair out.
Extensive national coverage? Check
Anti-hero style mugshots? Check
Making the killer's name infamous? Check
Bets on the next massacre..? 2013? 2016? sooner?
petertrickaz 1 year ago 9
@petertrickaz
well... there we go again!
whatsithair 1 year ago
@petertrickaz
July, 2010.
we're seeing it with this wanker and his 'war on the police'
MrCunftucker 1 year ago 4
I like Brooker, he basically shows us that media saturation (as well as their pandering to the lowest common denominator) are what's turning the human race into a gibbering bunch a baboons hell bent on finding out what Posh Spice is doing for her holiday next week
Coolguyrob2006 1 year ago 7
the news channels are as guilty of murder as the piece of shit that pulled the trigger
shakeythumbs 2 years ago 70
@shakeythumbs Eh, no.
BobCassidy 2 years ago
@shakeythumbs gonna save that quote. thanks.
M3nTo5 2 years ago
these scumbags are quick to slag of Mcdonalds as junk food ,so what about junk media?
an endless spew of liesand exagerations
fuck they couldnt even report on the snow without some twat standing there claiming that 9cm of snow was actualy a foot deep! didnt they realise all i had to do was look out my window or step out my door?so what'll they make up when theyre reporting on something that cant be so easily challenged?
so pure unadulterated shit for the mind ...poison .
shakeythumbs 2 years ago 8
@shakeythumbs Too right! Dont know if you saw 'The Day Today' or 'Brass Eye', who brilliantly satirised the sensationalist style and content of news programs.
I think we've been guilty of granting the premise that our broadcasting news goes to serve informing the general public, rather than raking in the ratings.
comanchio1976 1 year ago 4
@shakeythumbs Saying the news channels are as guilty of murder as the jerk who pulled the trigger is like saying it is the girls fault she got raped because she was wearing a short skirt and she obviously wanted it. The news people might make the problem worse by glamorizing the event, but ultimately it is some fuckhead who pulled the actual trigger and killed people.
InternetManable 7 months ago
This show really picks some great music to play in the background. Very effective.
Buffoon1980 2 years ago
Sad news is good news to the media. Ratings. Thats all it's about. The ratings.
smakcage 2 years ago 10
As a forensic psychologist (not psychiatrist as Dr Dietz is) I can completely agree with what Dr Dietz is saying. The news are bastards
IrishPaddy1 2 years ago 15
@IrishPaddy1 he has complete authority in the field - having psychoanalysed such cases as the mass murderer The Iceman for starters - so i would be doing anything he says if i were a media outlet!
Jinda89 1 year ago 2
I've been saying this for ages - every time there's a big shooting rampage, you'll find one or two "aftershocks" by copycats in the following weeks: Hungerford followed Julian Knight, Port Arthur followed Dunblane.
And wasn't it strange that in the two or so years immediately after 9/11 there were ZERO school/workplace massacres in the US? Up until then they were a fairly regular occurrence. Every couple of months some wimp would go nuts. Suddenly, that wasn't big enough anymore.
beastatlay 2 years ago 3
i think he said anti hero, like a clint eastwood character per say. does /b/ know about cinema?
drstrikezone 2 years ago 4
trust itv
cheekyegg 2 years ago
The answer isn't cenorship, it's common sense.
MrWednesday3 2 years ago 9
I thoroughly agree. I'm not saying that press concerning such violence should be censored- but for crying out loud, they should at least tone it down a bit.
TheZebu 2 years ago 11
Absoute poppycock. Obviously it's violent videogames and hip hop that causes these kids to kill... and that bird off of Britains got talent.
telemikus 2 years ago
5 stars and favourited.
BritishBlue1 2 years ago 7
Nevermind.
oh8seven 2 years ago
This is brilliant, Charlie Brooker pointing out what should be obvious but is conveniently ignored...
BritishBlue1 2 years ago 6
hmm, yes, quite
utter chaos
you can't just let the proles say whatever they want
it wouldn't be civilized
avatartonic 2 years ago
Ex-SAS Andy McNab has wrote about this before. His theory is that a shit life in general will just get to someone and when it gets to breaking point their motivation is to be 'an hero'(internet meme believed to be a cross between 'a hero' and 'anti hero'. The goal is not revenge, the killings are usually random; the goal is fame in death.
When the media reports like this, they promote the idea that YOU TOO can have this. You can be something in death, impossible in life.
aManApathetic 2 years ago
'an hero' actually just means suicide.
soulofshiver 2 years ago
Top stuff.
joncoe0 2 years ago
Fucking genius.
Which must be why the media is still covering shit like this that happens for several weeks up to months after it happens.
therealblackcerberus 2 years ago 10
Because people watch it.
concordat 2 years ago 6
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DJ17Nario 2 years ago 7
Bless you.
millsmoney 2 years ago
this is spot on
Supaduck0 2 years ago 6
i reckon this is the best show on television at the moment.
well it was as its finished now ):
NighttSwimmming 2 years ago 6
This is so true. But what is the answer? You HAVE to have free press, which means they will compete for viewers/readers, which nearly always means appealing to the lowest common denominator. If the 'people' were better educated, they would demand better standards in news and the Daily Mail etc would go out of business.....but a well educated, logical, decerning public would get rid of the greedy shits who run the country(s) double quick and THAT is why public education standards drop every year.
dubstarr1967 2 years ago 2
every multimillion industry needs a watchdog, but everything that they censor should be available for viewing.. online or something, just not aired on national tv and shoved down our throats!!
thelukeandrews 2 years ago
At this point they can show random youtube videos pingponging and it would count as good news. Point is that in the free market there's no quality control because we are stupid morond who eat everything whole sales - AND buy the shit they mention between programmes.
Oh wait I watch state TV in a commie country and I wish even that would state things straight out for once :'(
grolgh 2 years ago 2
well said, well done.
garrettp999 2 years ago
I think he's brillaint, for ages ive been waiting for someone to bite back at these self agrandising, over bloated, hipocratic roling news channells and i have always been a fan of Brooker, so to see him attck them with such an elegant peice of what can only be described as counter journalsim is fantastic. Long may you reign Charlie and why the fuck arnt you on BBC 1?!
myloverisbillmurray 2 years ago 11
The Music is from Johann Johannson - IBM 1401, User's Manual.
mypli 2 years ago
This is a great comedian, mainly because he actually has something to say, you can learn things.
SubconsciousAlive 2 years ago
News Networks suck and blow and thy know just how to do it. Thy are pros as you may know.
GeoMeek 2 years ago
good post!
5starrater1 2 years ago
lets stop watching the news...
primal111 2 years ago 2
Wow, that's weird, I've never really thought about this before. Very true, though.
ProjectSmammi 2 years ago
Brooker is a fucking legend - best thing on tv. Funny/chilling and overall enriching. Everyone should see this episode
joyceytheman 2 years ago 12
How is he simplifying matters? He makes it very clear where his advice is directed, at the news media, not the government. Anti-depressant drugs have no proven correlation with school shootings, beyond the plainly obvious fact that these killers are depressed and disturbed individuals. Neither do illegal drugs, which thousands if not millions of schoolchildren worldwide use each year without murdering their fellow pupils, and millions more adults use every day without going on a violent rampage.
optiuum67 2 years ago 6
Near perfect television.
ArnusEnabler 2 years ago 15
PERFECT television.
celiarghh 2 years ago 5
Regardless of how much after effect sensationalised news has, it is rubber-knecking garbage. Im stunned, does the gargantuan media network actually believe they're seperate from society to get away with this or do they know exactly what they're doing? Im not sure which is worse.
JapeUK 2 years ago 3
"we expect to see one or two more within a week." that does not necessarily mean its going to happen again.
ealmintheplayground 2 years ago
Expectation means that something is deemed likely, not certain.
77Fortran 2 years ago 6
You said it yourself:
"Where is the evidence to back up this statement?"
You question the statements made by the psychiatrist and then fabricate your own expecting it to trump his?
oblivion2mc 2 years ago 11
It's not exactly rocket science man. Not to take away from the psychiatrist, but it's pretty obvious that if you splash sensationalist 'news' about 'nihilistic pin-up boys' blamming up their schools then it's gonna become a part of popular culture and thus more frequent. Pity it takes a scientist to point that out.
SiveyBeats 2 years ago 6
Spot bloody on, Charlton.
natts 2 years ago 2
Charlie Brooker is almost always sublime but this particular clip, the somber music overlayed to the psychiatrist going through what the media shouldn't do as he's clearly tried many times before, knowing what he's saying is falling on deaf ears...
Magic.
DhiscoStu 2 years ago 12
Kostinsky J et al. "Threats of school violence in Pennsylvania after media coverage of the Columbine High School massacre: examining the role of imitation. " Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2001 Sep;155(9):994-100
rghn2 3 years ago 4
Anyone know the music used in this piece?
Rivers85 3 years ago 3
shouldnt our media listen to a forensic psychiatrist (and common sense) over their own pathological need for ratings and controversy? news isnt meant to be a drama, its real life. im glad somebody has finally pointed this out
jimdoesitwell 3 years ago 18
unfortunately, the media's best interests aren't the general public, it's attracting as wide an audience as possible, just like every other entertainment show on TV. I bet they're 100% aware of the vicious cycle they've created - sensationalize one killer, brings in lots of viewers which increases the chances of a copycat killing, which also gives them more news to talk about, more viewers and another killer to sensationalize etc.
Fernoe 2 years ago 7
Was fantastic. He really outdid himself. Dermot M trying to convince poor people on telly to commit live suicide..what a knob-end. I may marry Charlie now.
thewafflewaitress 3 years ago 6
This is so true, Charlie Brooker tells it like it is again.
bigfriendlygiant2 3 years ago 2
completely nailed it
beansbaked 3 years ago 14
My favourite part had to be the Dermot Murnaghan segment, brilliant.
mickstephenson 3 years ago
Absolutely spot on..
ollyis 3 years ago
He's good, isn't he, the Brooker.
claxtondog 3 years ago 2
Came here via Glinner on Twitter - excellent report!
lummux 3 years ago 5