1 John 5:7 still stands and none of the translators wanted to remove it and no publisher has removed it.???
I BELIEVE the WHOLE WORD of GOD {KJV}. If one verse is WRONG... then to me we could NOT trust the next verse to it..or the next verse..or the next ..or the next etc etc etc .
The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
1 John 5:7 still stands and none of the translators wanted to remove it and no publisher has removed it.???
I BELIEVE the WHOLE WORD of GOD {KJV}. If one verse is WRONG... then to me we could NOT trust the next verse to it..or the next verse..or the next ..or the next etc etc etc .
The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
1 John 5:7 still stands and none of the translators wanted to remove it and no publisher has removed it.???
I BELIEVE the WHOLE WORD of GOD {KJV}. If one verse is WRONG... then to me we could NOT trust the next verse to it..or the next verse..or the next ..or the next etc etc etc .
The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
1 John 5:7 still stands and none of the translators wanted to remove it and no publisher has removed it.???
I BELIEVE the WHOLE WORD of GOD {KJV}. If one verse is WRONG... then to me we could NOT trust the next verse to it..or the next verse..or the next ..or the next etc etc etc .
The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
1 John 5:7 still stands and none of the translators wanted to remove it and no publisher has removed it.???
I BELIEVE the WHOLE WORD of GOD {KJV}. If one verse is WRONG... then to me we could NOT trust the next verse to it..or the next verse..or the next ..or the next etc etc etc .
The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
1 John 5:7 still stands and none of the translators wanted to remove it and no publisher has removed it.???
I BELIEVE the WHOLE WORD of GOD {KJV}. If one verse is WRONG... then to me we could NOT trust the next verse to it..or the next verse..or the next ..or the next etc etc etc .
The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
1 John 5:7 still stands and none of the translators wanted to remove it and no publisher has removed it.???
I BELIEVE the WHOLE WORD of GOD {KJV}. If one verse is WRONG... then to me we could NOT trust the next verse to it..or the next verse..or the next ..or the next etc etc etc .
The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
1 John 5:7 still stands and none of the translators wanted to remove it and no publisher has removed it.???
I BELIEVE the WHOLE WORD of GOD {KJV}. If one verse is WRONG... then to me we could NOT trust the next verse to it..or the next verse..or the next ..or the next etc etc etc .
The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
@October31st1517 The Bible is authoratative.....but we must look at how the earlier saints believed too. The creeds were written to counteract harmful teaching like Gnosticism,Arianism, Nestorianism. How the early church councils understood the Trinity, Communion is important. Otherwise each of us is trying to interpret the Bible privately without the benefit of the knowlege of past struggles. Just saying I believe the Bible and this is what it means to me doesnt work.
@October31st1517 This is a real problem for modern evangelicals. How do I sort out all the competing beliefs all claimed to have been based on each persons private interpretation of the Bible...or a particular sects interpretation of the Bible. I would say that there is a body of historic Christian belief that goes back to the first century.
@prairiemark My view have changed over the years. I studied theology at an Anabaptist Bible College. I served as sunday school teacher and board member on"nondenominational" protestant churches. Went through three church splits over doctrine. Eventually I had to face the question: Were the Christian practice and doctrines of the first and second century Church more like the Protestants I worshiped with, or like the Catholics? No doubt the 1st and 2nd Century Church was more Catholic.
What is the name of the father? The name of the father was not given to anyone in the old testament. All the discriptive names where given to describe him, but never was there a name of God. However, the son came in his name. In other words, jesus can in the name of God. God being the father. This would implament that the fathers name is Jesus. The Holy Ghost came in Jesus name, and obviously the name of the son is Jesus. All with the same name. No other name for salvation. ACTS 4:12.
@march271989 Exactly. There is no mention of God the Father. Yet Jesus refers to His Father constantly? If the Holy Ghost is God, that must mean that they have the same nature yet distinct persons.
Oneness Vs Trinitarian views of the Godhead are what amounts to Two Wrongs do not make a right. Both have serious issues that contradict Scripture. I the Lord saying that the Father is greater than I. Or in the Book of Hebrews, "Therefore God Your GOD..."
I really praise God. I marvel at how He puts words in my mind when I write text here in this site. I am a timid person sometimes at a lost for words when conversing or writing on different topics.
To all trinitarians and Oneness born again christians let us be watchful that the Spirit that comes from God may always shine upon us not letting this talk encompass us to forget how we should behave and act, not letting our attitude go asunder. May God the Father bless you and keep you with the infilling always of the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ Name. Amen
Let me site it this way. Put an ice in a water and all the fullness of the ice is in the element. What element? H2O. water,ice and water vapor are one but different in function.
@zedrev01 No comparison. In the trinity there is distinction. For example John 15:26 tells us that the Ftaher, Son and Holy Ghost are distinct yet interact with one another.
@October31st1517 re:John 15:26 Of course the Son (flesh) and being the Word of God that Jesus is because He is the Word(Spirit at John 1:1) that brings out the Glory of the Father (Spirit). And what Jesus is promising here is He will scatter that Holy Spirit to anyone who will believe. There is a verse wherein Jesus himself said that he will send the Holy Spirit in His Name.
Col 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
It does not proclaim that Jesus is God just here. It is proclaiming the FULLNESS of the Godhead in Jesus. I am no pastor nor a bible theologian bu as a simple man that is what God gave me this understanding and do not mess up the meaning of this.
This channel can not preach how God is one so they accuse the One God believer of being a cult. My father-in-law is a pastor of Potter's house where they baptize I think in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. But When I explained to Him the oneness of God he accepted my invitation of being baptized in Jesus Christ name and he still a pastor of the same church. He did not see it as a cult.
Yes when you believe in one God in three manifestations they call it cult. But where did they get the word trinity? Of course it derived from the catholic sect. one God is in the Bible. Trinity ain't.
Is there hope for us OP's? You bet! Our hope is in Jesus Christ and his finished work! While I'm sure it's possible that this young man had a bad experience, it's very disingenuous to paint the OP movement with such a broad brush. God is changing lives in the OP churches just like he is in many other churches. Remember, there are videos and websites with testimonies from former members of MANY organizations who left due to bad experiences. Are they also cults?
October31st1517,I appreciate you asking me to show you that Yahweh is a singular Being. It's nearly daybreak, however,and I've got to get some rest, so I must of necessity give intermission to my deliberation for now.I pray that what I've said so far will have answered much for you along the course of clarifying Jesus of Nazareth.I'll resume with showing how that our English word "God" is not naturally equivalent to the Hebrew terms. I will further emphasize Jewish theological history,etc.Later
We need to understand that the Hebrew concept inherent in the aforesaid Hebrew designations had to do with "strength," "might," or "power." Indeed, the entity that was considered an el or elah or eloah was considered strong, mighty, or powerful. In typical Hebraic fashion, the vast array of powers of Yahweh was expressed by applying to Him the plural form of the Hebrew word eloah, namely Elohim, which idiomatic event some have mistaken to suggest a plurality of Yahweh's personhood.(Part10 of12)
...."For the LORD your God is God of gods, and LORD of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward." Although it is in the Greek and brings in therefore another language and senses into our argument of the Hebrew and the Hebrew senses, the concept is still in the NT 1 Corinthians 8:5, the concept of "gods," and coming from a staunch Jewish Christian. Was Paul being idolatrous by asserting what he asserted? Definitely not! (Part 9 of 12)
Clearly it was not automatically considered blasphemous to use those Hebrew words in reference to other entities than Yahweh Himself, which blasphemy would have been the case were it a commonly deemed thing that the terms were names of His and His alone. But they were words that had particular meanings and the more Yahweh showed Himself to embody those meanings, the more firmly&consistently they became applied to Him. So Deuteronomy 10:17 says:...(Part 8 of 12)
The fact that the Biblical usage of the aforesaid Hebrew terms clearly encompasses lesser beings¬ just Yahweh the Most High should give us pause &make us consider that the Hebrew folk did not think of their same terms as automatically&solely referring to Yahweh.In other words, el, elah, eloah, and elohim were not in their inception names belonging to Yahweh; indeed, due to Him exhibiting the truest sense of the words, they became applied as epithets. Enter "God of gods"!(Part 7 of 12)
....and Yahweh is somewhat diminished when it is made to be that He was not referred to by His name. This is what I think on that matter, anyway.) Now, notice that I made sure to represent in the case of each Hebrew term both its designation as reference to Yahweh (which differentiation is achieved by honorific capitalization of the initial grapheme of each Hebrew term) and its designation as reference to lesser beings that had the same terms used of them. (Part 6 of 12)
(You know, I would imagine, that Yahweh was rendered in instances in the same English word that translates Adonai / adonai, namely "Lord," although such instances always has the word appearing in all capital letters, i.e. "LORD," and this though the English translators knew that the name was merely covered with Adonai by the hyper-cautious Jews due to hyper-cautious reasons. I think it is rather unfortunate for the air of personal relationship betwixt the Biblical speaker....(Part 5 of 12)
The Hebrew words which were used originally in the Bible but were translated with our English word "God" are as follows: El / el, Elah / elah, Eloah / eloah, and Elohim / elohim (plural form of Eloah / eloah); indeed, sometimes "Yahweh" (or, if preferred, the technical designation the Tetragrammaton) also was rendered "God" in our English Bibles, Yahweh (and its variant) in the Hebrew text besting Elohim / elohim as well as Adonai / adonai in frequency in the Bible. (Part 4 of 12)
Indeed, the ideas the speaker attaches to the word "God" and the ideas that the hearer has of the word "God" will all come into play in the interaction, whether some or all of the ideas are faulty or whether some or all of the ideas are accurate. One thing we must initially do is determine whether or not the English word "God" conveys the exact same senses the original Hebrew terminology did and does yet convey.Does it? Actually, no. Its etymology is quite different. Let us see. (Part 3 of 12)
First, we must recognize&hold to the fact that "God" (or,more precisely perhaps, in consideration of Biblical contexts, the relevant cognate terminologies) only became a name for our Creator in the philosophy of the faithful of antiquity (primarily the chosen Israeli nation) by virtue of the meaning of"God" (or,rather, the cognate terms of the original languages).Simply put, our English word "God" is a word.Its usage only summons to mind what ideas have been associated with the word.(Part2 of12)
October31st1517, I appreciate you asking me to show you that Yahweh is a singular Being. Notice I said "Yahweh" & not simply "God," though, of course, I know & believe Yahweh of the Jews & indeed of Creation is God. My reasoning? The word God has come to be very obscure by being broadly used in senses that are outside of that intended by the Holy Scriptures; indeed, the word has become laden with human ideas which render views of our Creator-Savior that are inaccurate and empty.(Part1 of 12)
@8chariotrider Never once did I ask you if YHWH was a singular being. Trinitarianism already affirms that YHWH is 1 being. My question was can you show me that the 1 Being of YHWH is only possessed by one person?
@October31st1517 You never used the name of the El of Israel, which, incidentally, He carried over incorporated into His name He has now as He is incarnated, namely the incarnational name "Jesus," which means "Yahweh is Savior." I was the one who brought up YHWH. You used the often obscure English word "God," which is alright to use as long as one understands that it doesn't naturally convey the original Hebrew terminology's meaning &there's imposition of the original meaning of "power," etc.
@October31st1517 Now,as far as your reworded question is concerned: it proves why I had to do the exposition I did on the English word "God"/"god" & how it's of different etymology & inherent meaning than the Hebrew words it translates as well as had to give some treatment regarding the name Yahweh. That you'd even persist shows you are without knowledge regarding Jewish theology &the name Yahweh&what their view of Him has been for centuries! Shema, Yisrael: Adonai Eloheynu Adonai echad!(Deu6:4)
@October31st1517 The faithful Jew always believe that the Creator of the Universe exists as an absolutely singular Being! Those who hold to the unBiblical view of the trinity (there are even many noted trinitarian scholars who admit this fact, namely that the view is unBiblical, without support by Jesus' own words or His followers') &take the name Yahweh into their mouths are desperate for a validation from history&Bible that will not&cannot come forth! YAHWEH IS ONE!
@October31st1517 YAHWEH IS ONE! He was one prior to incarnating Himself & He is still one after having incarnated Himself! The philosophizing of 3rd& 4th Century anti-Jewish religionists concocted doctrines that supposedly explained the phenomenon of the Incarnation&what they mistakenly saw as being distinct, namely the personhood of Yahweh,all the while detesting genuine Jewish Yahwehistic theology.The grassroots apostles were all Jewish&understood gradually that Jesus declared He's Yahweh!
@October31st1517 My detailed historical, Biblical, linguistic, &logical defense of the Oneness truth I will save for setting forth on my own channel. I will post it there when I shall have sufficient opportunity to do so. You are welcome to look for that as my comprehensive answer to your question, though I frankly wonder if you truly want an answer that is of THE TRUTH. Late as the hour is, I forgo any further posting for now.
@October31st1517 Perhaps by the thousands of singular personal pronouns used throughout the bible Mark?.....Can you show where YHWH is possessed by three persons? Do you see the confusion that occurs when instead of just letting the bible tell us about YHWH and his only begotten Son we listen to silly creeds like the trinity and oneness?
@JAKEV25 I knew there was going to be a disappointment upcoming like "silly creeds like...oneness" once I saw the statement "the bible[sic] tell us about YHWH and his only begotten Son." Although the Bible does use the phrase "the only begotten Son" & cognate phrases & terminology (usually merely "the Son") & JAKEV25 at least did not delete the significant "begotten," which term provides a very important distinction of the Incarnational Manifestation & other "sons of God"..... (PART 1 of 4)
@8chariotrider My friend...The creed of Jesus....the creed of all the prophets....is the Shema...Not trinitarianism...not Oneness. Jesus Christ is the Human Son of YHWH. Just like Adam was a human Son of YHWH created...Jesus is the human Son of God begotten. This is what the bible teaches.
Christ’s action is greater than Adam’s for two reasons: first, it only took one sin to enslave man to sin and death. … Second, Christ’s action produced a greater result; Adam’s sin brought death, whereas Christ’s sacrifice results in life for all who believe.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam(Christ) was made a quickening spirit
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
@October31st1517 Jesus is greater because he was begotten by holy miracle...YES...Adam was created from the dust. Jesus is the greater Adam...also the Greater Moses Hebrews 3
@October31st1517 No retraction. Both were Sons of God...Both had the same Father. Jesus is greater because 1) he was begotten by miracle not created and 2) accomplished the work of his Father...If Jesus had not accomplished his Fathers will or had decided not to....the Father would have chosen another to fullfill His purpose...and another would have been anointed with all power & authority over heaven and Earth. Fortunately Jesus endured to the end.
@JAKEV25 ....("sons of God" - angels: Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; Adam - Luke 3:38; genuine born again Christian believers - John1:12; Romans 8:14; Philippians 2:15; 1 John3:1-2), there is the usual hermenuetic problem of viewing wording too literally that is really full of figurative nuances as well as at times culturally idiomatic concepts. For example, it is like going into Daniel & coming upon 7:3-8 & thinking the odd creatures therein are literal wonders of cryptozoology! (PART 2 of 4)
@JAKEV25 It's like encountering Rev 5:6 & thinking there is a literal endtime "Lamb....having seven horns and seven eyes," rather than viewing the matter as symbolic of abstract & concrete realities the symbolic expressions are intended to divulge.It's like reading "God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess 1:1) in the Pauline epistolary greetings as suggesting a bifurcation in the Theotes &yet,in getting to Rev 12:9,(wisely) allow that there's not one "the Devil"....(PART 3 of 4)
@JAKEV25 ....& one "Satan," but rather one murderous entity who is known by the moniker "Devil" as well as "Satan," the latter meaning "adversary." It is the figure hendiadys at work in the instance of 1 Thess 1:1 (the original intention being to emphasize roles of the one Potentate, Yahweh Incarnate) as well as in the instance of Rev 12:9 (the intent herein, to note the two designations of the fallen angel).Scripturally&Hebraically, 'the Son" speaks of the Humanity Yahweh assumed(PART 4 of 4)
@JAKEV25 You really had me with your first two sentences ("Perhaps by the thousands of singular personal pronouns used throughout the bible Mark?.....Can you show where YHWH is possessed by three persons?") but then just totally blew it when you made the mistake of labeling Oneness Pentecostal theology as being representative of a mere religious "creed"; actually, you stated "silly creed." The Oneness is a creed formulated by Yahweh Himself, so there is no silliness intrinsic in it.
I was responding to "Oneness Pentecostalism DESTROYED" video but "ACallToHoliness" had to block my posts because he could not handle the Biblical truth of my responses. He is probably right that God led him out of the truth, but because of him not loving the truth. "Strong delusion" - 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. I discerned he was one who left the faith before I even saw the other video about him apostasizing. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 obviously applies herein, too.
@8chariotrider I may not agree with everything "Acalltoholiness" holds to, but one thing is clear. He has a desire to see the lost won for Christ. But that aside, can you show me from the bible that God is 1 person?
@October31st1517 Watch 'Oneness -VS- Trinity - DEBATE - 1/11 to 11/11 for it is a long discussion. The trinitarian answer vs.the one God believer answer, the human way thinking vs the spiritual way thinking
@zedrev01 I have. The trinitarian did lose the debate. However Pastor Cook, who is a fine apologist was caught off guard. For example when Bernard asked "Is Jesus in the God head or is the Godhead in Jesus"? Cokk's reply was both. Which is true, theologically speaking, however the word "Godhead" is not even in the text. The word θεότης (theotēs) really has no English equivilant. All Col 2:9 is proclaiming is that Jesus is God. But that was not the issue of the debate.
@zedrev01 It's a moniker filled with irony that one-"ACallToHoliness." & as for his claim that he was an "ordained" minister in the OnenessPentecostal movement: I never did grant much weight to "ordination," so I'm not impressed.Yeah, Judas Iscariot was an ordained minister, too.Any need to be reminded of what he turned out to be?Obviously "ACTH" was a superficial minister, otherwise he wouldn't be in the doctrinal mire he's sinking in now.One cannot have roots&be also blown away by zephyrs!
@zedrev01 There are yet some in the ministerial ranks of Oneness Pentecostalism that really don't belong within it & are out even while they are in, if you know what I mean. Such are the kind that preach & teach things even while still in Oneness Pentecostalism that makes the rooted elders and even sometimes the spiritual babes of their audiences blush with embarrassment for them. Such are the sort which claim Jesus was a Nazarite as they seek to validate audacious Western "depictions."
@zedrev01 (Jesus was a Nazarene, not a Nazarite - two totally different things!) Such are they which say, "Three in one," while supposedly describing how that Jesus occupies the certain offices noted together in Matthew 28:19 & sadly have no clear view of Jesus to articulate the reality. Such are they that misinterpret Isaiah 45:7 as they stumble over the archaic English word "evil" to accuse the Most Holy of having created sin. Such are they which abhor the Lord's spiritual gifts!& on& on!
No where does it say that God was 3, when God was creating the earth, He did not discuss anything with anyone else, but Him alone. It says God is one, just like the New Testiment. God put part of Him in man, Jesus Christ, He couldn't put all because Heaven would be without God. Now when Jesus went back to heaven, would he not be put back with the rest of Him? Of course Jesus was less than the Father because He was man! He ate, drank and his body could die. God has always and will always be one.
@October31st1517 Numbers 23:19 - God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
Malachi 3:6 - Descendants of Jacob, I am Yehovah, All-Powerful, and I never change. That's why you haven't been wiped out,
1 Timothy 6:15-16 - For at just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of all kings and Lord of all lords.
That's the BIGGEST problem I have with Oneness Pentecostals is they ACT as though ONLY their interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. They act like they alone have the "truth." Then again, I guess EVERY religion is like that. Haha
Bornest1 oh, of course, the trinitarians don't understand the LOGOS and the Son in the proper order because ONLY u and other Oneness Pentecostals know the "truth," right??? Only u guys know the "proper order." LOL
@TheGameReviewist The question was not "How many God's are there?" Trinitarians already believe in one God. The question is, "Show me from the bible that God is 1 PERSON?"
@Layman316 Jesus is to be worshipped as the Son of God. Not as God the Son. It is very displeasing to both to worship them as 1 Most High and Almighty God.
1 Cor. 15:41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.
Jesus never commanded His disciples to worship the Father and Son as One God. Instead, worship one as the Son of God and the other as God Almighty.
@Layman316 John 17:3 - "to know you the only true God..." Revelation 1:6 "Has made us a kingdom of priests unto (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) His Father"???
So if you already deny that Jesus is God (since you claim to be a Bible believer), why must you enforce it on others who want to agree with the Bible? This makes you a sadistic child of Hell!
@Danielezerable Oneness advocated love to butcher the Scriptures. Jesus is not saying He isn’t God in John 17:3, He is addressing His Father, someone other than Himself as the only true God. The passage doesn't say "Father, you are the only one who is the true God." But again, you have butchered the scripture. To have eternal life is to know them both equally. Not to mention 2 verse down Jesus said He had glory with the Father before the world was.
@TheLayman316 Watch my video: "The Father is Greater Than I". It HAS to be in nature! Also, Jesus died. Why couldn't it be the Father? Because of John 14:28! The divine nature of the Father is greater than the divine nature of the Son!
@TheLayman316 Watch my video: "The Father is Greater Than I". It HAS to be in nature! Also, Jesus died. Why couldn't it be the Father? Because of John 14:28! The divine nature of the Father is greater than the divine nature of the Son!
@Layman316 Trinitarians strawman it. Stop enforcing your unbiblical and demonic doctrines on people who don't want it. This is why I believe most of you Trinitarians will actually be burning in Hell when Christ comes back!
used of intensity and its degrees: with great effort, of the affections and emotions of the mind, of natural events powerfully affecting the senses: violent, mighty, strong
predicated of rank, as belonging to
persons, eminent for ability, virtue, authority, power
things esteemed highly for their importance: of great moment, of great weight, importance
@Layman316 John 10:36. Because you believe Jesus is God and not the Son of God, you will surely die in your sins. If Yehshua is Yahweh, then we have a problem. Why is Yahweh referring to Himself in third person? I might have a different opinion then you on these matters but the difference is between life and death. Biblical and unBiblical.
@TheLayman316 Um...this is kind of the synopsis of Arianism EXCEPT the term Son of God means God is His Father. Note: it does not the "Son of the Father". Got a question...did the disciples understand the term "God with us" to mean Jesus was Yahweh incarnated? I'd be happy to debate further as well but I am an Arian, not a Oneness.
@Danielezerable This is my point. If the term Son of God is not in relations to HIs humanity, but to HIs Father, then the Son is equal to His Father in nature (John 10:30), just as you and your father are equal in nature.
@Layman316 So in office Jesus was "less" on earth. Yet even AFTER the incarnation, God was STILL the FATHER! Revelation 1:6. Translation: praying for you my friend.
@Layman316 Translation: "even though it clearly says that God is the only one who isn't under the authority of Christ, it's not really saying that they aren't co-equal. Even though it clearly shows that the Son will be under authority of God, I'm still going to believe that He is co-equal with the Father anyway because it's accepted in orthodoxy."
@Layman316 Titus: wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, (Jesus is the glory of our great God and Savior.)
2 Peter 1:1 is the ONLY time Peter calls Jesus God in his epistles. To counter: The term God can mean "god-like one, mighty one, powerful one, strong one, great one, etc." I think you get the point.
My video proves Jesus is definitely NOT Yahweh. Why would Yahweh refer to Yahweh in third person?
Are we subordinate to our boss or a wife to her husband? YES. However, this doesn’t change the equality between us and our boss, or a husband and wife. The husband is not better in nature or humanity than his wife. They equal in these respects. The subordination of the Son to the Father was that the Son was sent froth from the Father. Not that He was less than the Father in nature.
@Layman316 Father, except he who is in the heavens, who is the one God and the one Father." Irenaeus also refers to John "...proclaiming one God, the Almighty, and one Jesus Christ, the only-begotten, by whom all things were made." Also he taught that Jesus was inferior to the Father in divine knowledge
Bad to worse? I think you can only be saved if you not only believe in Jesus but BELIEVE Him!
@Layman316 except him who, as God, rules over all, together with his Word, and those who receive the spirit of adoption, that is, those who believe in the one and true God, and in Jesus Christ the Son of God; and likewise that the apostles did of themselves term no one else God, or name no other as Lord; and, what is much more important, since it is true that our Lord acted likewise, who did also command us to confess no one as
@Layman316 Irenaeus (AD 115-200) : "...the Father himself is alone called God...the Scriptures acknowledge him alone as God; and yet again...the Lord confesses him alone as his own Father, and knows no other." " . . this is sure and steadfast, that no other God or Lord was announced by the Spirit,
@ELIPOUL One God, yes. One faith ( in Christ). One baptism ( we are baptized by one Spirit). I hate the way the upc interprets this as Oneness, Jesus name baptism ONLY and God help you if you were baptized any other way, and one faith ( only us Apostolics!)
Explain Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. The old testimate is filled with so many cases of oneness doctrine and Jesus didnt come to change the word but to fulfill it. The bible cant contradict itself and the number of gods we serve cant be a contradiction. It says that the holy ghost conceived mary in matt. 1:18. so who is the father? the holy ghost or the father? its a contradictory unless they are the same.
Wow Matthew 28:19 does not mean three persons.Even those words doesnt mean salvation.Also the Physical body isnt the image of GOD,nor Spirit the Image.
@lunabranwen what are you nuts?! Acts 2:38 " Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost"
the problem with the oneness doctrine is that they teach their own form of baptismal salvation. and that speaking in tongues is an essential "evidence" of one having the spirit, meaning if you dont speak in "tongues" than you cannot be saved. this is pure heresy
Psalm 139: 6-10 (Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? Or wither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. ) Notice: God's spirit, His presence and His Right Hand- ONE GOD.
Trinitarians might say that God's spirit is the "person" of the Holy Spirit, " and His presence is the "person" of the Father, and His Right Hand is the "person" of the Son. But I don't think that God's presence, spirit and right hand are separate from each other, any more than my spirit, presence and right hand are separate from me. Oneness Pentecostals do not deny the role of the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost, they just believe that they are not separated in any way.
@pupils011 According to Psalm 139 and other scriptures, God is an infinite, omnipresent Spirit, meaning that He is everywhere at all times. God fills the Universe. Oneness Pentecostals do not separate God into "persons" because God is not a "person" or "3 persons." God is a Spirit. The spirit of God created everything, and the spirit of God is present everywhere and at all times. Jesus is the son of God, and God is the Father of Jesus. However, God is not separated in any way. He is ONE.
Because God is an Omni-Present Spirit, meaning He is absolutely everywhere at all times, it was possible for the Spirit of God to be IN Jesus and still everywhere else at the same time. Therefore, Jesus, the Son of God is also God, because the spirit of God was IN HIM, and that same, Huge, Powerful, Infinite, Omnipotent, Omnipresent spirit that was in Jesus, also is the Creator. So the Spirit that Created the Universe was in Jesus. No separation. One God.
@pieladypeace God is also in us. Are we apart of the Godhead? Gods name was always Jesus from the beginning of time but it had not been revealed until he manifested himself in the flesh in the fullness of the godhead dwelt inside him.
@October31st1517 Jesus is God manifested(or made man) so yes. However He was completely man as well, therefore He could experience all manner of temptation, and later pain on the cross.
@October31st1517 Isaiah 9:6 calls Christ the eternal Father. Are there two Fathers? Luke 1:30-35 says the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary. Are there three Fathers?
@Danielezerable Is 9:6 in the original hebrew calls Jesus the "Father of eternity" which means that Jesus is the creator. (Col 1:16-18) The Holy Spirit was the means God used to overshadow Mary. Jesus is God, But He is not God the Father. The Holy Ghost is God, but H is not God the Father. Jesus Taught us the trinity. (John 15:26) God Bless.
@October31st1517 John 14:8-9. Jesus says He is the Father! John 14:18. Jesus says He is the comforter! Jesus taught us one God in one person. Christ the deity.
@EaglesSoarCA and I agree with what you just said to certain extent Jesus and God are not the same person is true otherwise that would make God schizophrenic but the problem comes into play is this the bible says God was manifested in the flesh is God in this verse the father or a separate divine person?
@EaglesSoarCA so how come when Jesus said I and my father are one The Jews immediately charged him with blasphemy but instead of denying the charge Jesus went along with it and second how come a NON-TRINITARIANS scribe said that the first commandment was hear o Israel the Lord our God is one Jesus not only a agreed with him but complimented him and told him he is not far from the kingdom?
@EaglesSoarCA Yes, it is a very strong trinitarian passage. However it is untrinitarian to say 3 BEINGs. There are 3 persons who are the 1 being of God.
@October31st1517 Oneness Pentecostal are not Christians. This cult was created in 1913 and was declared a heretical movement by the Assemblies Of God in 1916. Oneness falsely teach you must speak in tongues to be saved (AOG doesn't)! Oneness falsely teach you must physically baptzied in Jesus name to be saved (AOG doesn't)! Oneness falsely teach the Son is the Father (a denial of the trinity) (AOG doesn't)
Ok I'm killing all the debates right now...... To the oneness people Jesus and God are not the same person to the trinitarians there is only ONE divine person in the Godhead Jesus is God "in the flesh" outside that definition he is the Son of God
There is hope! You must begin first to see the upci for what it really is. It is not God. Your pastor is not God. You can be saved if you leave to follow God. No church has the right to dictate the will of God for you. This is why we have the Spirit of God . The thing is, you must distinguish between following God and following an organization. If you feel in bondage, anxious and your joy is gone, you should leave ( His burden is light). I left after 10 years and God is still awesome!
@2222pauline Trinitarianism already believes that there is only 1 God. What is that you are not understanding. Oneness was invented in the 3rd century by a heretic named sabellius. Repent before it is to late.
@October31st1517 WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN DETAIL. You Know the TRUTH but reject it
I HAVE the HOLY GHOST been throw the water in JESUS name and repent oh yes on a daily basic.
AND You tell me. I am a heretic and need to repent. I reject nothing of JESUS but research every thing throw HIM FACE TO FACE. And You wont to do it with Your MIND ONLY. I know you are a college grad of oneness school but you reject it. I seen your videos and felt your SPIRIT. HAVE A NICE DAY
@ElohimLee Wrong, Jesus is all of WHAT God is, (Col 2:9) But He is not all of WHO God is. (John 15:26) Jesus id the Son, But He is not the Father or the Holy Ghost.
@222erichathy And your evidence for this charge? I would like to know because I became a trinitarian from studying the bible. So again I ask, what is your evidence for this charge?
JHN 1 IN THE BEGINING WAS THE (WORD)--A WORD IS SPOKEN
and the word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD.....sounds like a name
before their was creation there was no need for words only thought or consciousness before he was known as God or jehova he was known as a thought and it was what He told moses I AM THAT I AM- a statement of excistance His name was the first and the last the alpha word then He spoke the world into excistance
since only God can not sin He is perfect. as we are born of a fleshly father we can not know that perfection or that mystery of goddliness or PERFECTION or to overcome the flesh so God did it for us by defeating the flesh and temptation. paul said in romans 7 O WRETCHED MAN THAT I AM. the flesh was just a vessel and as we have a soul or conscience so did that body or vessel and that conscience was GOD (GOD IS A SPIRIT) ITS REAL SIMPLE AND WITHOUT DEBATE THAT THE PERFECTION OF GOD BEAT FLESH
the trinity was started by pagans under nimrods family and implanted through rome in the council of trent. look at history for this account. monotheism has always been i can find the term one but i have never found the term trinity. in order to remit sin there must be the shedding of blood God is the only perfect one blameless pure(that is the mystery of goddliness) the spirit of God could not shed blood so God created a body(shell or temple) in which he defeated the sinful nature of flesh
all were born and shapen in eniquity but not Jesus why? because he was not concieved by a man and women so the sins of a fleshly father was not passed down to this body. God fathered the body but the spirit that was the consence was the spirit of God.....forshadowed in the old testament by the temple. when he refered 2 the Father he refered to himself since in reality he did concieve the body he inhabited. THE BODY=TEMPLE/ THE SOUL(OR SPIRIT)=GOD
all through out the old testament what did the spirit of God dwell in??? a temple sometimes of flesh or hides. the fleshly body was not concieved by man and woman hence Jesus did not have a fleshly father. the body of Jesus was concieved of the holy ghost the SOUL OR SPIRIT in this body was the SPIRIT of God without the spirit of God the fleshly vessel would have been an empty shell so yes God was Jesus....tim3:16 without controversy
Also, for more information and scriptures on the topic I would recommend that everyone read The Oneness of God by David K. Bernard. Very helpful if you are seeking answers.
@ryanwilliamson1989 Mark McNeil challenged David K Bernard and Mr.Bernard won't do it. I've heard his arguments and they can easily be refuted. Jesus is God, but he is not God the Father. (John 15:26) You subscribe to an ancient heresy called Modelism.
@October31st1517 If he is God but not God the father then what God is He? The Bible says there is only one in Deuteronomy 6:4 and in Ephesians 4:4-6. Its also the first commandment. In Isaiah 9:6 the prophecy of His birth it calls him the Everlasting Father. Sir, I do want you to know I honestly respect your views and ways and I know ours are hard to understand and I'm sorry if I have offended you or anyone in anyway. I love you as a brother in Christ.
@ryanwilliamson1989 I would love nothing more than to cal you brother. But unless you repent of this oneness heresy, we have 2 different Gods. I have not beem offended in anyway. You need to understand that the trinity teaches there is only 1 God, Jesus is all what God is. (Col 2:9) but He is not all of WHO God is. (John 15:26) I can help you understand what the trinity teaches?
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The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
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1 John 5:7 still stands and none of the translators wanted to remove it and no publisher has removed it.???
I BELIEVE the WHOLE WORD of GOD {KJV}. If one verse is WRONG... then to me we could NOT trust the next verse to it..or the next verse..or the next ..or the next etc etc etc .
The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
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The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
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The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
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The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
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I BELIEVE the WHOLE WORD of GOD {KJV}. If one verse is WRONG... then to me we could NOT trust the next verse to it..or the next verse..or the next ..or the next etc etc etc .
The New Age versions ARE from OLDER manuscripts than KJV..but they don't tell you that they were corrupted Older manuscripts..Alexandrian of Eygpt with Apocrypha mixed in. Takes out Jesus' blood, among other things.
ydnar0591 1 week ago
Sola Scriptura leads to endless conflict between interpretations.
prairiemark 1 month ago
@prairiemark What is your final authority on all spiritual matters?
October31st1517 1 month ago
@October31st1517 The Bible is authoratative.....but we must look at how the earlier saints believed too. The creeds were written to counteract harmful teaching like Gnosticism,Arianism, Nestorianism. How the early church councils understood the Trinity, Communion is important. Otherwise each of us is trying to interpret the Bible privately without the benefit of the knowlege of past struggles. Just saying I believe the Bible and this is what it means to me doesnt work.
prairiemark 1 month ago
@prairiemark Then what do we go to for proper biblical interpretation?
October31st1517 1 month ago
@October31st1517 This is a real problem for modern evangelicals. How do I sort out all the competing beliefs all claimed to have been based on each persons private interpretation of the Bible...or a particular sects interpretation of the Bible. I would say that there is a body of historic Christian belief that goes back to the first century.
prairiemark 1 month ago
@prairiemark My view have changed over the years. I studied theology at an Anabaptist Bible College. I served as sunday school teacher and board member on"nondenominational" protestant churches. Went through three church splits over doctrine. Eventually I had to face the question: Were the Christian practice and doctrines of the first and second century Church more like the Protestants I worshiped with, or like the Catholics? No doubt the 1st and 2nd Century Church was more Catholic.
prairiemark 1 month ago
What is the name of the father? The name of the father was not given to anyone in the old testament. All the discriptive names where given to describe him, but never was there a name of God. However, the son came in his name. In other words, jesus can in the name of God. God being the father. This would implament that the fathers name is Jesus. The Holy Ghost came in Jesus name, and obviously the name of the son is Jesus. All with the same name. No other name for salvation. ACTS 4:12.
wolfpacktlc1 1 month ago
The Spirit overshadowed Mary and she was found to be with child.
Where's the Father?
march271989 1 month ago
@march271989 Exactly. There is no mention of God the Father. Yet Jesus refers to His Father constantly? If the Holy Ghost is God, that must mean that they have the same nature yet distinct persons.
October31st1517 1 month ago
Oneness Vs Trinitarian views of the Godhead are what amounts to Two Wrongs do not make a right. Both have serious issues that contradict Scripture. I the Lord saying that the Father is greater than I. Or in the Book of Hebrews, "Therefore God Your GOD..."
Mayflower018 1 month ago
@Mayflower018 Do you deny Jesus is God? John 1:1, Col 2:9
musicmusing 1 month ago
@musicmusing Jesus is all of WHAT God is, but He is not all of WHO God is.
October31st1517 1 month ago
I really praise God. I marvel at how He puts words in my mind when I write text here in this site. I am a timid person sometimes at a lost for words when conversing or writing on different topics.
zedrev01 2 months ago
To all trinitarians and Oneness born again christians let us be watchful that the Spirit that comes from God may always shine upon us not letting this talk encompass us to forget how we should behave and act, not letting our attitude go asunder. May God the Father bless you and keep you with the infilling always of the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ Name. Amen
zedrev01 2 months ago
@zedrev01 that should be of His Holy Spirit
zedrev01 2 months ago
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Is there Hope for Trinitarians believing in one God but when they explain the one God becomes three?
zedrev01 2 months ago
Let me site it this way. Put an ice in a water and all the fullness of the ice is in the element. What element? H2O. water,ice and water vapor are one but different in function.
zedrev01 2 months ago
@zedrev01 No comparison. In the trinity there is distinction. For example John 15:26 tells us that the Ftaher, Son and Holy Ghost are distinct yet interact with one another.
October31st1517 2 months ago
@October31st1517 re:John 15:26 Of course the Son (flesh) and being the Word of God that Jesus is because He is the Word(Spirit at John 1:1) that brings out the Glory of the Father (Spirit). And what Jesus is promising here is He will scatter that Holy Spirit to anyone who will believe. There is a verse wherein Jesus himself said that he will send the Holy Spirit in His Name.
Gtg already late for work.
zedrev01 2 months ago
Col 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
It does not proclaim that Jesus is God just here. It is proclaiming the FULLNESS of the Godhead in Jesus. I am no pastor nor a bible theologian bu as a simple man that is what God gave me this understanding and do not mess up the meaning of this.
zedrev01 2 months ago
Heretic vs. heretic, what a hilarious debate.
TheGenuineChristian 2 months ago
This channel can not preach how God is one so they accuse the One God believer of being a cult. My father-in-law is a pastor of Potter's house where they baptize I think in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. But When I explained to Him the oneness of God he accepted my invitation of being baptized in Jesus Christ name and he still a pastor of the same church. He did not see it as a cult.
zedrev01 2 months ago
Yes when you believe in one God in three manifestations they call it cult. But where did they get the word trinity? Of course it derived from the catholic sect. one God is in the Bible. Trinity ain't.
zedrev01 2 months ago
Is there Hope for Trinitarians believing in one God but when they explain the one God becomes three?
zedrev01 2 months ago
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Is there hope for us OP's? You bet! Our hope is in Jesus Christ and his finished work! While I'm sure it's possible that this young man had a bad experience, it's very disingenuous to paint the OP movement with such a broad brush. God is changing lives in the OP churches just like he is in many other churches. Remember, there are videos and websites with testimonies from former members of MANY organizations who left due to bad experiences. Are they also cults?
eflint1 2 months ago
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eflint1 2 months ago
October31st1517,I appreciate you asking me to show you that Yahweh is a singular Being. It's nearly daybreak, however,and I've got to get some rest, so I must of necessity give intermission to my deliberation for now.I pray that what I've said so far will have answered much for you along the course of clarifying Jesus of Nazareth.I'll resume with showing how that our English word "God" is not naturally equivalent to the Hebrew terms. I will further emphasize Jewish theological history,etc.Later
8chariotrider 2 months ago
We need to understand that the Hebrew concept inherent in the aforesaid Hebrew designations had to do with "strength," "might," or "power." Indeed, the entity that was considered an el or elah or eloah was considered strong, mighty, or powerful. In typical Hebraic fashion, the vast array of powers of Yahweh was expressed by applying to Him the plural form of the Hebrew word eloah, namely Elohim, which idiomatic event some have mistaken to suggest a plurality of Yahweh's personhood.(Part10 of12)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
...."For the LORD your God is God of gods, and LORD of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward." Although it is in the Greek and brings in therefore another language and senses into our argument of the Hebrew and the Hebrew senses, the concept is still in the NT 1 Corinthians 8:5, the concept of "gods," and coming from a staunch Jewish Christian. Was Paul being idolatrous by asserting what he asserted? Definitely not! (Part 9 of 12)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
Clearly it was not automatically considered blasphemous to use those Hebrew words in reference to other entities than Yahweh Himself, which blasphemy would have been the case were it a commonly deemed thing that the terms were names of His and His alone. But they were words that had particular meanings and the more Yahweh showed Himself to embody those meanings, the more firmly&consistently they became applied to Him. So Deuteronomy 10:17 says:...(Part 8 of 12)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
The fact that the Biblical usage of the aforesaid Hebrew terms clearly encompasses lesser beings¬ just Yahweh the Most High should give us pause &make us consider that the Hebrew folk did not think of their same terms as automatically&solely referring to Yahweh.In other words, el, elah, eloah, and elohim were not in their inception names belonging to Yahweh; indeed, due to Him exhibiting the truest sense of the words, they became applied as epithets. Enter "God of gods"!(Part 7 of 12)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
....and Yahweh is somewhat diminished when it is made to be that He was not referred to by His name. This is what I think on that matter, anyway.) Now, notice that I made sure to represent in the case of each Hebrew term both its designation as reference to Yahweh (which differentiation is achieved by honorific capitalization of the initial grapheme of each Hebrew term) and its designation as reference to lesser beings that had the same terms used of them. (Part 6 of 12)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
(You know, I would imagine, that Yahweh was rendered in instances in the same English word that translates Adonai / adonai, namely "Lord," although such instances always has the word appearing in all capital letters, i.e. "LORD," and this though the English translators knew that the name was merely covered with Adonai by the hyper-cautious Jews due to hyper-cautious reasons. I think it is rather unfortunate for the air of personal relationship betwixt the Biblical speaker....(Part 5 of 12)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
The Hebrew words which were used originally in the Bible but were translated with our English word "God" are as follows: El / el, Elah / elah, Eloah / eloah, and Elohim / elohim (plural form of Eloah / eloah); indeed, sometimes "Yahweh" (or, if preferred, the technical designation the Tetragrammaton) also was rendered "God" in our English Bibles, Yahweh (and its variant) in the Hebrew text besting Elohim / elohim as well as Adonai / adonai in frequency in the Bible. (Part 4 of 12)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
Indeed, the ideas the speaker attaches to the word "God" and the ideas that the hearer has of the word "God" will all come into play in the interaction, whether some or all of the ideas are faulty or whether some or all of the ideas are accurate. One thing we must initially do is determine whether or not the English word "God" conveys the exact same senses the original Hebrew terminology did and does yet convey.Does it? Actually, no. Its etymology is quite different. Let us see. (Part 3 of 12)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
First, we must recognize&hold to the fact that "God" (or,more precisely perhaps, in consideration of Biblical contexts, the relevant cognate terminologies) only became a name for our Creator in the philosophy of the faithful of antiquity (primarily the chosen Israeli nation) by virtue of the meaning of"God" (or,rather, the cognate terms of the original languages).Simply put, our English word "God" is a word.Its usage only summons to mind what ideas have been associated with the word.(Part2 of12)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
October31st1517, I appreciate you asking me to show you that Yahweh is a singular Being. Notice I said "Yahweh" & not simply "God," though, of course, I know & believe Yahweh of the Jews & indeed of Creation is God. My reasoning? The word God has come to be very obscure by being broadly used in senses that are outside of that intended by the Holy Scriptures; indeed, the word has become laden with human ideas which render views of our Creator-Savior that are inaccurate and empty.(Part1 of 12)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@8chariotrider Never once did I ask you if YHWH was a singular being. Trinitarianism already affirms that YHWH is 1 being. My question was can you show me that the 1 Being of YHWH is only possessed by one person?
October31st1517 2 months ago
@October31st1517 You never used the name of the El of Israel, which, incidentally, He carried over incorporated into His name He has now as He is incarnated, namely the incarnational name "Jesus," which means "Yahweh is Savior." I was the one who brought up YHWH. You used the often obscure English word "God," which is alright to use as long as one understands that it doesn't naturally convey the original Hebrew terminology's meaning &there's imposition of the original meaning of "power," etc.
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@October31st1517 Now,as far as your reworded question is concerned: it proves why I had to do the exposition I did on the English word "God"/"god" & how it's of different etymology & inherent meaning than the Hebrew words it translates as well as had to give some treatment regarding the name Yahweh. That you'd even persist shows you are without knowledge regarding Jewish theology &the name Yahweh&what their view of Him has been for centuries! Shema, Yisrael: Adonai Eloheynu Adonai echad!(Deu6:4)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@October31st1517 The faithful Jew always believe that the Creator of the Universe exists as an absolutely singular Being! Those who hold to the unBiblical view of the trinity (there are even many noted trinitarian scholars who admit this fact, namely that the view is unBiblical, without support by Jesus' own words or His followers') &take the name Yahweh into their mouths are desperate for a validation from history&Bible that will not&cannot come forth! YAHWEH IS ONE!
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@October31st1517 YAHWEH IS ONE! He was one prior to incarnating Himself & He is still one after having incarnated Himself! The philosophizing of 3rd& 4th Century anti-Jewish religionists concocted doctrines that supposedly explained the phenomenon of the Incarnation&what they mistakenly saw as being distinct, namely the personhood of Yahweh,all the while detesting genuine Jewish Yahwehistic theology.The grassroots apostles were all Jewish&understood gradually that Jesus declared He's Yahweh!
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@October31st1517 My detailed historical, Biblical, linguistic, &logical defense of the Oneness truth I will save for setting forth on my own channel. I will post it there when I shall have sufficient opportunity to do so. You are welcome to look for that as my comprehensive answer to your question, though I frankly wonder if you truly want an answer that is of THE TRUTH. Late as the hour is, I forgo any further posting for now.
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@October31st1517 Perhaps by the thousands of singular personal pronouns used throughout the bible Mark?.....Can you show where YHWH is possessed by three persons? Do you see the confusion that occurs when instead of just letting the bible tell us about YHWH and his only begotten Son we listen to silly creeds like the trinity and oneness?
JAKEV25 2 months ago
@JAKEV25 I knew there was going to be a disappointment upcoming like "silly creeds like...oneness" once I saw the statement "the bible[sic] tell us about YHWH and his only begotten Son." Although the Bible does use the phrase "the only begotten Son" & cognate phrases & terminology (usually merely "the Son") & JAKEV25 at least did not delete the significant "begotten," which term provides a very important distinction of the Incarnational Manifestation & other "sons of God"..... (PART 1 of 4)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@8chariotrider My friend...The creed of Jesus....the creed of all the prophets....is the Shema...Not trinitarianism...not Oneness. Jesus Christ is the Human Son of YHWH. Just like Adam was a human Son of YHWH created...Jesus is the human Son of God begotten. This is what the bible teaches.
JAKEV25 2 months ago
@JAKEV25 So Jesus & Adam are equal?
October31st1517 2 months ago
@October31st1517
Christ’s action is greater than Adam’s for two reasons: first, it only took one sin to enslave man to sin and death. … Second, Christ’s action produced a greater result; Adam’s sin brought death, whereas Christ’s sacrifice results in life for all who believe.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam(Christ) was made a quickening spirit
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
JAKEV25 2 months ago
@JAKEV25 So would you like to retract your past comment "Just like Adam was a human Son of YHWH created...Jesus is the human Son of God begotten. "
October31st1517 2 months ago
@October31st1517 Jesus is greater because he was begotten by holy miracle...YES...Adam was created from the dust. Jesus is the greater Adam...also the Greater Moses Hebrews 3
JAKEV25 2 months ago
@October31st1517 No retraction. Both were Sons of God...Both had the same Father. Jesus is greater because 1) he was begotten by miracle not created and 2) accomplished the work of his Father...If Jesus had not accomplished his Fathers will or had decided not to....the Father would have chosen another to fullfill His purpose...and another would have been anointed with all power & authority over heaven and Earth. Fortunately Jesus endured to the end.
JAKEV25 2 months ago
@JAKEV25 ....("sons of God" - angels: Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; Adam - Luke 3:38; genuine born again Christian believers - John1:12; Romans 8:14; Philippians 2:15; 1 John3:1-2), there is the usual hermenuetic problem of viewing wording too literally that is really full of figurative nuances as well as at times culturally idiomatic concepts. For example, it is like going into Daniel & coming upon 7:3-8 & thinking the odd creatures therein are literal wonders of cryptozoology! (PART 2 of 4)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@JAKEV25 It's like encountering Rev 5:6 & thinking there is a literal endtime "Lamb....having seven horns and seven eyes," rather than viewing the matter as symbolic of abstract & concrete realities the symbolic expressions are intended to divulge.It's like reading "God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess 1:1) in the Pauline epistolary greetings as suggesting a bifurcation in the Theotes &yet,in getting to Rev 12:9,(wisely) allow that there's not one "the Devil"....(PART 3 of 4)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@JAKEV25 ....& one "Satan," but rather one murderous entity who is known by the moniker "Devil" as well as "Satan," the latter meaning "adversary." It is the figure hendiadys at work in the instance of 1 Thess 1:1 (the original intention being to emphasize roles of the one Potentate, Yahweh Incarnate) as well as in the instance of Rev 12:9 (the intent herein, to note the two designations of the fallen angel).Scripturally&Hebraically, 'the Son" speaks of the Humanity Yahweh assumed(PART 4 of 4)
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@JAKEV25 You really had me with your first two sentences ("Perhaps by the thousands of singular personal pronouns used throughout the bible Mark?.....Can you show where YHWH is possessed by three persons?") but then just totally blew it when you made the mistake of labeling Oneness Pentecostal theology as being representative of a mere religious "creed"; actually, you stated "silly creed." The Oneness is a creed formulated by Yahweh Himself, so there is no silliness intrinsic in it.
8chariotrider 2 months ago
I was responding to "Oneness Pentecostalism DESTROYED" video but "ACallToHoliness" had to block my posts because he could not handle the Biblical truth of my responses. He is probably right that God led him out of the truth, but because of him not loving the truth. "Strong delusion" - 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. I discerned he was one who left the faith before I even saw the other video about him apostasizing. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 obviously applies herein, too.
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@8chariotrider I may not agree with everything "Acalltoholiness" holds to, but one thing is clear. He has a desire to see the lost won for Christ. But that aside, can you show me from the bible that God is 1 person?
October31st1517 2 months ago
@October31st1517 Watch 'Oneness -VS- Trinity - DEBATE - 1/11 to 11/11 for it is a long discussion. The trinitarian answer vs.the one God believer answer, the human way thinking vs the spiritual way thinking
zedrev01 2 months ago
@zedrev01 I have. The trinitarian did lose the debate. However Pastor Cook, who is a fine apologist was caught off guard. For example when Bernard asked "Is Jesus in the God head or is the Godhead in Jesus"? Cokk's reply was both. Which is true, theologically speaking, however the word "Godhead" is not even in the text. The word θεότης (theotēs) really has no English equivilant. All Col 2:9 is proclaiming is that Jesus is God. But that was not the issue of the debate.
October31st1517 2 months ago
@8chariotrider Yes and he call himself 'ACallToHoliness'.
zedrev01 2 months ago
@zedrev01 It's a moniker filled with irony that one-"ACallToHoliness." & as for his claim that he was an "ordained" minister in the OnenessPentecostal movement: I never did grant much weight to "ordination," so I'm not impressed.Yeah, Judas Iscariot was an ordained minister, too.Any need to be reminded of what he turned out to be?Obviously "ACTH" was a superficial minister, otherwise he wouldn't be in the doctrinal mire he's sinking in now.One cannot have roots&be also blown away by zephyrs!
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@zedrev01 There are yet some in the ministerial ranks of Oneness Pentecostalism that really don't belong within it & are out even while they are in, if you know what I mean. Such are the kind that preach & teach things even while still in Oneness Pentecostalism that makes the rooted elders and even sometimes the spiritual babes of their audiences blush with embarrassment for them. Such are the sort which claim Jesus was a Nazarite as they seek to validate audacious Western "depictions."
8chariotrider 2 months ago
@zedrev01 (Jesus was a Nazarene, not a Nazarite - two totally different things!) Such are they which say, "Three in one," while supposedly describing how that Jesus occupies the certain offices noted together in Matthew 28:19 & sadly have no clear view of Jesus to articulate the reality. Such are they that misinterpret Isaiah 45:7 as they stumble over the archaic English word "evil" to accuse the Most Holy of having created sin. Such are they which abhor the Lord's spiritual gifts!& on& on!
8chariotrider 2 months ago
No where does it say that God was 3, when God was creating the earth, He did not discuss anything with anyone else, but Him alone. It says God is one, just like the New Testiment. God put part of Him in man, Jesus Christ, He couldn't put all because Heaven would be without God. Now when Jesus went back to heaven, would he not be put back with the rest of Him? Of course Jesus was less than the Father because He was man! He ate, drank and his body could die. God has always and will always be one.
babipassion25 2 months ago
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@October31st1517 Numbers 23:19 - God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
Malachi 3:6 - Descendants of Jacob, I am Yehovah, All-Powerful, and I never change. That's why you haven't been wiped out,
1 Timothy 6:15-16 - For at just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of all kings and Lord of all lords.
Danielezerable 3 months ago
Oneness people seem to be a LOT more confrontational about it, though. Very arrogant. They're ALWAYS right even when proven wrong.
David8024667 3 months ago
That's the BIGGEST problem I have with Oneness Pentecostals is they ACT as though ONLY their interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. They act like they alone have the "truth." Then again, I guess EVERY religion is like that. Haha
David8024667 3 months ago
Bornest1 oh, of course, the trinitarians don't understand the LOGOS and the Son in the proper order because ONLY u and other Oneness Pentecostals know the "truth," right??? Only u guys know the "proper order." LOL
David8024667 3 months ago
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Please everyone! Oneness stand forever!
The problem I have with the Trinity is how they see LOGOS and the SON. Most of them dont know how to put them in proper order.
LOGOS=Expression of God=Pre-incarnation expression of GOD=God/Logos(Not Eternal Son) But Eternal WORD=John 1:1
SON OF GOD=Expression of God=Incarnated expression of God=Son of God(Heb1:1) =Beginning in the Womb of Mary conceived by The Holy Ghost= John1:14.
bornest1 3 months ago
@EaglesSoarCA Please read Deuteronomy 6:4, and Mark 12:28-32,
TheGameReviewist 3 months ago
@TheGameReviewist The question was not "How many God's are there?" Trinitarians already believe in one God. The question is, "Show me from the bible that God is 1 PERSON?"
October31st1517 3 months ago
@Layman316 Jesus is to be worshipped as the Son of God. Not as God the Son. It is very displeasing to both to worship them as 1 Most High and Almighty God.
1 Cor. 15:41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.
Jesus never commanded His disciples to worship the Father and Son as One God. Instead, worship one as the Son of God and the other as God Almighty.
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 John 17:3 - "to know you the only true God..." Revelation 1:6 "Has made us a kingdom of priests unto (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) His Father"???
So if you already deny that Jesus is God (since you claim to be a Bible believer), why must you enforce it on others who want to agree with the Bible? This makes you a sadistic child of Hell!
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Danielezerable my new user name has changed
TheLayman316 5 months ago
@Danielezerable Oneness advocated love to butcher the Scriptures. Jesus is not saying He isn’t God in John 17:3, He is addressing His Father, someone other than Himself as the only true God. The passage doesn't say "Father, you are the only one who is the true God." But again, you have butchered the scripture. To have eternal life is to know them both equally. Not to mention 2 verse down Jesus said He had glory with the Father before the world was.
TheLayman316 5 months ago
@TheLayman316 Watch my video: "The Father is Greater Than I". It HAS to be in nature! Also, Jesus died. Why couldn't it be the Father? Because of John 14:28! The divine nature of the Father is greater than the divine nature of the Son!
Danielezerable 5 months ago
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@TheLayman316 Watch my video: "The Father is Greater Than I". It HAS to be in nature! Also, Jesus died. Why couldn't it be the Father? Because of John 14:28! The divine nature of the Father is greater than the divine nature of the Son!
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 Trinitarians strawman it. Stop enforcing your unbiblical and demonic doctrines on people who don't want it. This is why I believe most of you Trinitarians will actually be burning in Hell when Christ comes back!
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 a thing to be highly esteemed for its excellence: excellent
splendid, prepared on a grand scale, stately
great things
of God's preeminent blessings
of things which overstep the province of a created being, proud (presumptuous) things, full of arrogance, derogatory to the majesty of God
Danielezerable 5 months ago
stature and age: great, old
of number and quantity: numerous, large, abundant
of age: the elder
used of intensity and its degrees: with great effort, of the affections and emotions of the mind, of natural events powerfully affecting the senses: violent, mighty, strong
predicated of rank, as belonging to
persons, eminent for ability, virtue, authority, power
things esteemed highly for their importance: of great moment, of great weight, importance
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 great
of the external form or sensible appearance of things (or of persons)
in particular, of space and its dimensions, as respects 1a
mass and weight: great 1a
compass and extent: large, spacious 1a
measure and height: long 1a
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 John 10:36. Because you believe Jesus is God and not the Son of God, you will surely die in your sins. If Yehshua is Yahweh, then we have a problem. Why is Yahweh referring to Himself in third person? I might have a different opinion then you on these matters but the difference is between life and death. Biblical and unBiblical.
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Danielezerable this is not true. Jesus is God and the Son of God. The term "the Son of God" is in relations to His Father, not to His humanity.
TheLayman316 5 months ago
@TheLayman316 Um...this is kind of the synopsis of Arianism EXCEPT the term Son of God means God is His Father. Note: it does not the "Son of the Father". Got a question...did the disciples understand the term "God with us" to mean Jesus was Yahweh incarnated? I'd be happy to debate further as well but I am an Arian, not a Oneness.
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Danielezerable This is my point. If the term Son of God is not in relations to HIs humanity, but to HIs Father, then the Son is equal to His Father in nature (John 10:30), just as you and your father are equal in nature.
TheLayman316 5 months ago
@Danielezerable YOU SAID: Because you believe Jesus is God and not the Son of God, you will surely die in your sins.
Explain what you mean by this. It make little sense to me because I believe that Jesus the Son is the one true God.
TheLayman316 5 months ago
@Layman316 So in office Jesus was "less" on earth. Yet even AFTER the incarnation, God was STILL the FATHER! Revelation 1:6. Translation: praying for you my friend.
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 Isaac Newton and Michael Servetus. With Christian respect and love, I need to identify you are following a doctrine of a demon.
Isaiah 6 should be enough to prove that Yeshua is definitely not Yahweh.
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 Translation: "even though it clearly says that God is the only one who isn't under the authority of Christ, it's not really saying that they aren't co-equal. Even though it clearly shows that the Son will be under authority of God, I'm still going to believe that He is co-equal with the Father anyway because it's accepted in orthodoxy."
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 Titus: wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, (Jesus is the glory of our great God and Savior.)
2 Peter 1:1 is the ONLY time Peter calls Jesus God in his epistles. To counter: The term God can mean "god-like one, mighty one, powerful one, strong one, great one, etc." I think you get the point.
My video proves Jesus is definitely NOT Yahweh. Why would Yahweh refer to Yahweh in third person?
1 Cor. 15:24-28 - are they co-equal?
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 Watch my Isaiah 6 video.
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 wikipedia:
17.^ Roberts and Donaldson 1:400
18.^ Roberts and Donaldson 1:463
19.^ Roberts and Donaldson 1:329
20.^ Roberts and Donaldson 1:402
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 Um...
1) Did you not see my video?
2) Do you even know what an Arian Subordinationist is?
3) Arian Subordinationism may actually be as close to Biblical Christianity as any one can get. Just watch my videos.
4) TheMessianicGentile#p/u/1/Hu0dgog1aG0
5) Is there hope for "Jesus is co-equal with the Father" advocates?
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Danielezerable Lets deal with the subordination argument.
Are we subordinate to our boss or a wife to her husband? YES. However, this doesn’t change the equality between us and our boss, or a husband and wife. The husband is not better in nature or humanity than his wife. They equal in these respects. The subordination of the Son to the Father was that the Son was sent froth from the Father. Not that He was less than the Father in nature.
TheLayman316 5 months ago
@Layman316 Father, except he who is in the heavens, who is the one God and the one Father." Irenaeus also refers to John "...proclaiming one God, the Almighty, and one Jesus Christ, the only-begotten, by whom all things were made." Also he taught that Jesus was inferior to the Father in divine knowledge
Bad to worse? I think you can only be saved if you not only believe in Jesus but BELIEVE Him!
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 except him who, as God, rules over all, together with his Word, and those who receive the spirit of adoption, that is, those who believe in the one and true God, and in Jesus Christ the Son of God; and likewise that the apostles did of themselves term no one else God, or name no other as Lord; and, what is much more important, since it is true that our Lord acted likewise, who did also command us to confess no one as
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 Irenaeus (AD 115-200) : "...the Father himself is alone called God...the Scriptures acknowledge him alone as God; and yet again...the Lord confesses him alone as his own Father, and knows no other." " . . this is sure and steadfast, that no other God or Lord was announced by the Spirit,
Danielezerable 5 months ago
@Layman316 If you see the most recent video I posted, you would know I have changed my stance and have become an Arian subordinationist.
Danielezerable 5 months ago
Well I come to tell him there is only One Lord,One Faith,One Baptisim.
ELIPOUL 5 months ago
@ELIPOUL One God, yes. One faith ( in Christ). One baptism ( we are baptized by one Spirit). I hate the way the upc interprets this as Oneness, Jesus name baptism ONLY and God help you if you were baptized any other way, and one faith ( only us Apostolics!)
musicmusing 5 months ago
Explain Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. The old testimate is filled with so many cases of oneness doctrine and Jesus didnt come to change the word but to fulfill it. The bible cant contradict itself and the number of gods we serve cant be a contradiction. It says that the holy ghost conceived mary in matt. 1:18. so who is the father? the holy ghost or the father? its a contradictory unless they are the same.
calebeebe35 5 months ago
@calebeebe35 Father doesn`t mean paternal Father. Silly wordgames
musicmusing 5 months ago
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calebeebe35 5 months ago
Wow Matthew 28:19 does not mean three persons.Even those words doesnt mean salvation.Also the Physical body isnt the image of GOD,nor Spirit the Image.
asternship1 6 months ago
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lidil100 6 months ago
@lidil100 Why did you remove your post. Hath the triune God of scripture touch your heart?
October31st1517 6 months ago
@October31st1517 I removed it because I know it is pointless to talk to trini heretics. Why beat a dead horse?
lidil100 6 months ago
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lidil100 6 months ago
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@lunabranwen what are you nuts?! Acts 2:38 " Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost"
pupils011 6 months ago
the problem with the oneness doctrine is that they teach their own form of baptismal salvation. and that speaking in tongues is an essential "evidence" of one having the spirit, meaning if you dont speak in "tongues" than you cannot be saved. this is pure heresy
lunabranwen 6 months ago
@pieladypeace true but I have one problem the bible in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily that means ALL of God was in Jesus Christ
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils011 Because he IS God. You cannot be God slightly diminished
musicmusing 5 months ago
Psalm 139: 6-10 (Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? Or wither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. ) Notice: God's spirit, His presence and His Right Hand- ONE GOD.
pieladypeace 6 months ago
Trinitarians might say that God's spirit is the "person" of the Holy Spirit, " and His presence is the "person" of the Father, and His Right Hand is the "person" of the Son. But I don't think that God's presence, spirit and right hand are separate from each other, any more than my spirit, presence and right hand are separate from me. Oneness Pentecostals do not deny the role of the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost, they just believe that they are not separated in any way.
pieladypeace 6 months ago
@October31st1517 So God the son is the creator and not God the father?
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils011 According to Psalm 139 and other scriptures, God is an infinite, omnipresent Spirit, meaning that He is everywhere at all times. God fills the Universe. Oneness Pentecostals do not separate God into "persons" because God is not a "person" or "3 persons." God is a Spirit. The spirit of God created everything, and the spirit of God is present everywhere and at all times. Jesus is the son of God, and God is the Father of Jesus. However, God is not separated in any way. He is ONE.
pieladypeace 6 months ago
Because God is an Omni-Present Spirit, meaning He is absolutely everywhere at all times, it was possible for the Spirit of God to be IN Jesus and still everywhere else at the same time. Therefore, Jesus, the Son of God is also God, because the spirit of God was IN HIM, and that same, Huge, Powerful, Infinite, Omnipotent, Omnipresent spirit that was in Jesus, also is the Creator. So the Spirit that Created the Universe was in Jesus. No separation. One God.
pieladypeace 6 months ago
@pieladypeace God is also in us. Are we apart of the Godhead? Gods name was always Jesus from the beginning of time but it had not been revealed until he manifested himself in the flesh in the fullness of the godhead dwelt inside him.
calebeebe35 5 months ago
@calebeebe35 So is the flesh of Jesus divine?
October31st1517 5 months ago
@October31st1517 Jesus is God manifested(or made man) so yes. However He was completely man as well, therefore He could experience all manner of temptation, and later pain on the cross.
calebeebe35 5 months ago
@October31st1517 Isaiah 9:6 calls Christ the eternal Father. Are there two Fathers? Luke 1:30-35 says the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary. Are there three Fathers?
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@Danielezerable Is 9:6 in the original hebrew calls Jesus the "Father of eternity" which means that Jesus is the creator. (Col 1:16-18) The Holy Spirit was the means God used to overshadow Mary. Jesus is God, But He is not God the Father. The Holy Ghost is God, but H is not God the Father. Jesus Taught us the trinity. (John 15:26) God Bless.
October31st1517 6 months ago
@October31st1517 John 14:8-9. Jesus says He is the Father! John 14:18. Jesus says He is the comforter! Jesus taught us one God in one person. Christ the deity.
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@EaglesSoarCA Why did they baptize people in the name of Christ instead?
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@EaglesSoarCA if you say a separate divine person than prove when Jesus clearly says the "FATHER DWELLTH IN ME" (Jn 14:10)
pupils011 6 months ago
@EaglesSoarCA and I agree with what you just said to certain extent Jesus and God are not the same person is true otherwise that would make God schizophrenic but the problem comes into play is this the bible says God was manifested in the flesh is God in this verse the father or a separate divine person?
pupils011 6 months ago
@EaglesSoarCA so how come when Jesus said I and my father are one The Jews immediately charged him with blasphemy but instead of denying the charge Jesus went along with it and second how come a NON-TRINITARIANS scribe said that the first commandment was hear o Israel the Lord our God is one Jesus not only a agreed with him but complimented him and told him he is not far from the kingdom?
pupils011 6 months ago
@October31st1517 so God is a "IT" and not a "WHO"?
pupils011 6 months ago
@EaglesSoarCA Yes, it is a very strong trinitarian passage. However it is untrinitarian to say 3 BEINGs. There are 3 persons who are the 1 being of God.
October31st1517 6 months ago
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@October31st1517 Oneness Pentecostal are not Christians. This cult was created in 1913 and was declared a heretical movement by the Assemblies Of God in 1916. Oneness falsely teach you must speak in tongues to be saved (AOG doesn't)! Oneness falsely teach you must physically baptzied in Jesus name to be saved (AOG doesn't)! Oneness falsely teach the Son is the Father (a denial of the trinity) (AOG doesn't)
paulbortolazzo 4 months ago
@October31st1517 The Father he was praying to the father
pupils011 6 months ago
@October31st1517 No he was praying to God
pupils011 6 months ago
Ok I'm killing all the debates right now...... To the oneness people Jesus and God are not the same person to the trinitarians there is only ONE divine person in the Godhead Jesus is God "in the flesh" outside that definition he is the Son of God
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils011 Only 1 divine person? So Jesus in John 17 is praying to Himself?
October31st1517 6 months ago
There is hope! You must begin first to see the upci for what it really is. It is not God. Your pastor is not God. You can be saved if you leave to follow God. No church has the right to dictate the will of God for you. This is why we have the Spirit of God . The thing is, you must distinguish between following God and following an organization. If you feel in bondage, anxious and your joy is gone, you should leave ( His burden is light). I left after 10 years and God is still awesome!
musicmusing 6 months ago
YES ---------->I KEEP trying to tell trinity folks
ONE GOD and--------> JESUS was and is HIM
in the flesh
but they wont to believe 3 persons
I tell them 1 PERSON-------> JESUS
2222pauline 7 months ago
@2222pauline Trinitarianism already believes that there is only 1 God. What is that you are not understanding. Oneness was invented in the 3rd century by a heretic named sabellius. Repent before it is to late.
October31st1517 7 months ago
@October31st1517 WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN DETAIL. You Know the TRUTH but reject it
I HAVE the HOLY GHOST been throw the water in JESUS name and repent oh yes on a daily basic.
AND You tell me. I am a heretic and need to repent. I reject nothing of JESUS but research every thing throw HIM FACE TO FACE. And You wont to do it with Your MIND ONLY. I know you are a college grad of oneness school but you reject it. I seen your videos and felt your SPIRIT. HAVE A NICE DAY
2222pauline 7 months ago
@ElohimLee Wrong, Jesus is all of WHAT God is, (Col 2:9) But He is not all of WHO God is. (John 15:26) Jesus id the Son, But He is not the Father or the Holy Ghost.
October31st1517 7 months ago
Thanks for sharing this! I love your channel!!
MrAmish83 7 months ago
@222erichathy And your evidence for this charge? I would like to know because I became a trinitarian from studying the bible. So again I ask, what is your evidence for this charge?
October31st1517 7 months ago
JHN 1 IN THE BEGINING WAS THE (WORD)--A WORD IS SPOKEN
and the word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD.....sounds like a name
before their was creation there was no need for words only thought or consciousness before he was known as God or jehova he was known as a thought and it was what He told moses I AM THAT I AM- a statement of excistance His name was the first and the last the alpha word then He spoke the world into excistance
lonniemcgallion 7 months ago
since only God can not sin He is perfect. as we are born of a fleshly father we can not know that perfection or that mystery of goddliness or PERFECTION or to overcome the flesh so God did it for us by defeating the flesh and temptation. paul said in romans 7 O WRETCHED MAN THAT I AM. the flesh was just a vessel and as we have a soul or conscience so did that body or vessel and that conscience was GOD (GOD IS A SPIRIT) ITS REAL SIMPLE AND WITHOUT DEBATE THAT THE PERFECTION OF GOD BEAT FLESH
lonniemcgallion 7 months ago
the trinity was started by pagans under nimrods family and implanted through rome in the council of trent. look at history for this account. monotheism has always been i can find the term one but i have never found the term trinity. in order to remit sin there must be the shedding of blood God is the only perfect one blameless pure(that is the mystery of goddliness) the spirit of God could not shed blood so God created a body(shell or temple) in which he defeated the sinful nature of flesh
lonniemcgallion 7 months ago
without arguement or debate.
all were born and shapen in eniquity but not Jesus why? because he was not concieved by a man and women so the sins of a fleshly father was not passed down to this body. God fathered the body but the spirit that was the consence was the spirit of God.....forshadowed in the old testament by the temple. when he refered 2 the Father he refered to himself since in reality he did concieve the body he inhabited. THE BODY=TEMPLE/ THE SOUL(OR SPIRIT)=GOD
lonniemcgallion 7 months ago
very simple....
all through out the old testament what did the spirit of God dwell in??? a temple sometimes of flesh or hides. the fleshly body was not concieved by man and woman hence Jesus did not have a fleshly father. the body of Jesus was concieved of the holy ghost the SOUL OR SPIRIT in this body was the SPIRIT of God without the spirit of God the fleshly vessel would have been an empty shell so yes God was Jesus....tim3:16 without controversy
lonniemcgallion 7 months ago
isn t that interesting
2222pauline 7 months ago
L-O-R-D , Y-H-W-H , I AM , THE MIGHT GOD ,JEHOVAH ,EMMANUAL
ELOHIM , ADONAI , EL-SHADI, ALL = JESUS
2222pauline 7 months ago
Also, for more information and scriptures on the topic I would recommend that everyone read The Oneness of God by David K. Bernard. Very helpful if you are seeking answers.
ryanwilliamson1989 7 months ago
@ryanwilliamson1989 Mark McNeil challenged David K Bernard and Mr.Bernard won't do it. I've heard his arguments and they can easily be refuted. Jesus is God, but he is not God the Father. (John 15:26) You subscribe to an ancient heresy called Modelism.
October31st1517 7 months ago
@October31st1517 If he is God but not God the father then what God is He? The Bible says there is only one in Deuteronomy 6:4 and in Ephesians 4:4-6. Its also the first commandment. In Isaiah 9:6 the prophecy of His birth it calls him the Everlasting Father. Sir, I do want you to know I honestly respect your views and ways and I know ours are hard to understand and I'm sorry if I have offended you or anyone in anyway. I love you as a brother in Christ.
Colossians 2:9
James 2:19
1 John 5:7
ryanwilliamson1989 7 months ago
@ryanwilliamson1989 I would love nothing more than to cal you brother. But unless you repent of this oneness heresy, we have 2 different Gods. I have not beem offended in anyway. You need to understand that the trinity teaches there is only 1 God, Jesus is all what God is. (Col 2:9) but He is not all of WHO God is. (John 15:26) I can help you understand what the trinity teaches?
October31st1517 7 months ago