(d) Definitions (2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents
@macculu501 Well, to Chomsky if it's a grievance against the West, it's reasonable, if it's a grievance by or for the West, then it's unreasonable. which why I hate the guy's guts. If I was President he would have been exiled to North Korea.
I agree with Chomsky... except in answering to grievances made by terrorists. I think that's a wrong approach to take; it's more like appeasement. It gives terrorists the idea that they can get what they want through violence & terror. That will eventually lead to a Mafia or strongman state.
What I recommend instead, is to answer & work on solving grievances made by peaceful, non-violent people... and to ignore the grievances of terrorists while bringing them to justice.
@boskinator Wow your detailed intellectual dissection of Chomsky's points was awe inspiring. I am so glad you didn't, like so many ignorant, bigots, give some child like 2 sentence dismissal...
@boskinator And STILL cannot justify its stupid position? And can I get this right, if I had spelled everything correctly, then you would then admit you are a disingenuous ass? Or is logic ANOTHER of your MANY weak points. And you can also now justify the stupid Democracy now put down? What's that you are a yellow backed wanker on that subject as well? Well there's a surprise eh?
Oh and BTW I have PEER REVIEWED evidence for right wing scum like you being +ve linked to racists, fascists etc...
@StunnedByStupidity Quick scum bag find another spelling mistake before you have to justify you ignorant dismissal of one of the greatest minds of the 20th century.
@StunnedByStupidity Have just looked you are an effin Zionist and tried the *I aint a racist* gambit? WTF? Have you ANY idea what so ever at how stupid you are coming over? And I'll leave you with a final: REALITY IS LIBERAL, that's why you hate liberals, Democracy Now and Chomsky (BTW that VERY childish misspelling (oh the hypocrisy) aint clever (unless you have an IQ in the single digits like the typical right winger) it merely exposes your stupidity) Their alignment with reality exposes your
I'm not a racist or a fascist. Those are labels YOU gave me. I have proof, however, of Chomsky being linked to "La Vielle Taupe", Robert Faurission and the Institute for Historical Review. Pick up a copy of "The Anti-Chomsky Reader", and weep. Oh, and Chumpsky's denials are LIES, proven in the book.
DeCcracy Now: you're right, I'm sorry. You're only subscribed to Russia Today and The Young Turks, both virulently anti-israel, anti-america and anti-democracy. My bad.
@boskinator Loon! David Horowitz the lying, dishonest racist is a more reliable source than Chomsky? REALLY? Look right wingers brains are fucked. They have over enlarged amygdalas making them scared shitless of anything that disagrees with consensus, they are paranoid, illogical, believe any evidence (unquestioned) given to them by people in authority. They are spineless when confronted by greater strength yet STUNNINGLY judgmental and draconian when they are in a position of strength.
@StunnedByStupidity And see how this list of 'enemies' is extending, not just people who disagree with you but are anti-american, anti-israel and anti democracy - you are coming over as a brain washed ignorant far far far far right Fox news extremist. Look kid sell your effin TV and start reading dissident books. Your paranoia and stupidity are jaw dropping... You cans start by googling 'The Authoritarians' - you right wing authoritarian fruit cake and read 4 DECADES of PEER REVIEWED research!
liberals are incapable of making value judgements, n believe that all creeds and ideologies are equal. U are an apologist for Islamic terror. If you don't like the western way, move to Egypt, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Jordan, Indonesia, North Korea, Cuba, Indonesia, Malaysia, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, etc.etc. etc. Democracy is far from perfect, but it beats any other political system.
Everybody who disagrees with Chomsky is racist^^ Read the book, then get back to me.
@boskinator So liberals are incapable of value judgments? What cos you say so? I take it oif I say there are faeries at the bottom of my garden there are? Are you COMPLETELY ignorant about logic? Oh forgot you are a right winger... And boy you have some fast reading skills to get through that book that quickly - BTW one of predictions about bigoted scum like you is that you will look at NOTHING that challenges their ideology... Hmmm And I am an apologist of islamic terror WTF?
@StunnedByStupidity I aint an apologist for them but you sure as fuck are an apologist of Israeli and Us massacres. ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO GO HERE... You just stun my credulity...And supporting democracy AND THE MAJORITY OPINION while having a fucking science degree (the product of the ENLIGHTENMENT) and MORE intellectual understand than you ever will is anti west? YOU ARE FUCKING INSANE! . Look moron look up 'projection' you are fucking crippled by it. And that book is TOILET PAPER you
@StunnedByStupidity pig ignorant buffoon. Now scientist - you know the ones that study REALITY have a political bias:
'6% Of Scientist Are Republicans ' on you tube
You want to explain how such misguided liberal are driving western culture? See you are right wing BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT. Read lots pof science as an antidote...
Now it is YOU that is anti western therefore I take it you will not be a hypocrite and you will be moving to one of those countries - dont let the door hit your ass
6) how many innocent civilians has Israel killed and how many have the Palestinians killed?
7) You would be more than happy for the aid given to Israel to stop and be transfered to the Palestinians until parity in arms was established so the Palestinians could defend themselves?
8) You support DEMOCRACY by agreeing with the majority opinion in the middle East that Iran SHOULD have nuclear weapons - if only to defend itself from Israeli aggression?
I think most people haven't yet been challenged to clarify the subtleties of their definitions. e.g Terrorist have no authority, they choose to use violence to force their will. A freedom fighter has to actually be fighting for liberal democracy, not their version nationalism. These definitions are more subtle than people let on.
if you disagree with chomsky research us military actions in iraq and afghanistan.us military has dropped bombs and machine gunned civilians in attempts to kill the "terrorist".the us policy creates terrorist every time they kill a civilian because that noncombatant's family will hate the us.just as you would hate the person which killed your innocent granny.when you had a chance for revenge you would act.
Typical Chomsky, America is a terrorist? What about the question! Al Qaeda doesn't represent any state politics, its agenda is cosmic. If don't believe Al Qaeda did 9/11 I'm not talking to you, I don't do crazy. I will celebrate the end of the Chomsky era. I thought this board need an opposing view point.
So only non-state actors/organisations are capable of terrorism? Whether Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 is irrelevant. We know who was responsible for the terrorist wars in Vietnam and South America and I don't see or hear you advocating the bombing of New York and Washington and California.
@QwidgyboMan Yes. A state actor commences war. In a democratic nation these actions the responsibility of the people of that nation. Non state actors are responsible to no one, they demand power through violence. Their actions are not done with an effort bring a resolution to the state of war but provoke a conflict and cause causalities. State terrorism is known as total war, these people already have power.
Is there reason I should attack California or New York? Please tell
Quite humorous that you would imply states act so as to resolve conflicts - That is naive rubbish.
I don't see how non-state actors being responsible to no one is at all relevant.
State terrorism is not total war. What the US did to Nicaragua was not total war. It was covert terrorism that should've seen Reagan hangning by his neck.
If you're in favour of attacking Afghanistan to halt terrorism then you should be in favour of attacking the US - A far greater source of terrorism.
Too bad you weren't on one of the planes that hit the twin towers. Spend about two hours in Afghanistan and after taking 4 mortar attacks and watching 3 VBIED's detonate in a crowded town center and tell me that WE are a greater source of terrorism.
Spend about 6 months in Vietnam or Nicaragua visiting the graves of those killed by US backed terrorism and aggression. 3 million+ dead in Vietnam. 100,000+ dead in Nicaragua. And that's the tip of the iceberg. The US provided 90% of the arms to Suharto - A man compared by the CIA, to Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Probably 1 million+ dead in Indonesia and East Timor.
I admire Chomsky, but the way he draws moral equivalences between America's use of force and Islamic Terrorism is a little disingenous. His literal definition of terrorism was, "to Use violence to intimidate typically against civillians for political or idealogical ends", and said that America could be indicted by the same charge. In Vietnam he might have had a point, but which civillians did the coalition forces target in Iraq or Afghanistan? He needs to back up his chat as they say round here
@QwidgyboMan which is precisely what moral equivalence is, comparing one with another, quit contradicting people then agreeing with them straight after. For the record I don't think that Islamic terrorism and the War on Afghanistan are morally equivalent and to imply that they are is intellectually dishomest of Chomsky. I think he lets his outrage cloud his judgment sometimes - which is excusable, but it's still difficult to take seriously. And I say that as a fan of his
There is absolutely no need for the word "moral". It's used to dissuade and discourage critics by juxtaposing our own way of life, with that of others, usually Arabs. We either are targeting civilians, or we are not.
@LeBigMacDaddy Chomsky has written many books that I implore you to read. You're right, Chomsky, in this video, does not outline the targeting of civilians on the part of the USA in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. You long for facts, you will no doubt enjoy his more in depth, critical analysis of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (and more). He makes no leap in claiming that the US is a terrorist state, if you think that he is being dishonest, read his books to understand it at a deeper level.
@LeBigMacDaddy Hegemony or Survival deals with Iraq. Afghanistan I can't remember what books, there's good youtube vids of chomsky talking about Afghanistan though. Look at his bib and see what you think is relevant to your interests.
I shudder at the thought of this man passing like Zinn. A future without Chomsky... I hate to think of that. However, I am (as millions are as well) humbled and forever grateful for the gifts this brilliant mind has bestowed upon all of us, to unravel the well hidden truths of our histories and progressions as a species.
people think terrorists are people who live in caves somewhere in shitfuck no where. and kill people for fun........ this is false the real terrorists are your puppets like obama
Now, Chomsky, do I turn to thee, and mark my greeting well; for what I speak my body shall make good upon this earth, or my divine soul answer it in heaven. Thou art a traitor and a miscreant, too good to be so and too bad to live, since the more fair and crystal is the sky, the uglier seem the clouds that in it fly. Once more, the more to aggravate the note, with a foul traitor's name stuff I thy throat; and wish, ere I move, what my tongue speaks my right drawn sword may prove.
While watching this video (more listening to it than watching it really) my sight accidentally passed over advertised and featured videos like "Girl FIGHTS A Donkey?!", "Charley bit my finger" and "Hot gymnast spreads legs" that have millions or more views. Then I saw that this video has (at the time I was watching it) 2053 views. I drew a conclusion that we (human race) are doomed... :(
Excellent points made by Chomsky. Terrorism is committed by countries and states everyday but it is not referred to as such. As he says peace in the North of Ireland was only possible once the British Government had actually looked at the problems which existed there and tried to address theose problems e.g. replacing the biased RUC with the PSIN and allowing democratically elected members of Sinn Fein to join the government and represent the nationalist community who voted for them.
I agree that Chomsky makes many good points. However, I think the Ireland point is inapplicable because of the radicalism of Islamic fundamentalism. By this I mean that even if the US halts its hypocritical foreign policy, it may not stop terrorism from the region because the fight is not just political--there is much more to it. The West may find that addressing the political demands may not significantly reduce terrorism.
@husky720. "However, I think the Ireland point is inapplicable because of the radicalism of Islamic fundamentalism. By this I mean that even if the US halts its hypocritical foreign policy, it may not stop terrorism from the region because the fight is not just political--there is much more to it"
In other words, you can't trust the dirty arabs? You foolish, racist, SOB
@husky720 "By this I mean that even if the US halts its hypocritical foreign policy, it may not stop terrorism from the region because the fight is not just political--there is much more to it." - What else is there to it? If attacks against western countries by Middle Easterners are motivated by religion or culture and not by hating their foreign policy, why is no Muslim fundamentalist ever attacking Brazil or Vietnam or Sweden? Hm?
@husky720 Terrorism in its modern Islamic form appeared in the 80's. I doubt terrorists would find more recruits if they have less American policies to hate.
Northern Ireland now has PSNI which is a better organisation than the RUC recruiting equally from Republican (Sinn Fein) and Loyalist/ Nationalist (DUP) districts.
Although democratically elected members of shinn fein are now in government part of the compromise were that Sinn Fein had to attempt to break ties with the IRA and fundraising for terroism, in fact America following 9/11 banned Sinn Fein from fundraising in New York as this money was being traced to finance the purchase of bombs in Ulster. Therefore Sinn Fein had no choice but to co-operate and distance itself from the IRA.
Sinn Fein had been moving in a wholly political direction since 1997 and the Good Friday Agreement and long before that in the talks which lead up to the agreement.
When the UK government deployed forces to Ulster it was in defence of the local Republican residents. i.e. those opposed to British rule. So no Britain did not commit acts of terror.
Yes, the British army was initally sent into Northern Ireland in order to defend the Republicans. I think that fact became one of life's cruel ironies when one looks back on the history of Ireland objectively. As there is documented evidence that the British government had colluded with Loyalist terrorists (as brought out in the Stevens Inquiries) that definitely would constitute as state terrorism.
Real terror resides within lack of knowldge. Books will set you free from fear of the unseen.
TashaMethusa 2 weeks ago
@Cleanhomer
Good 'ole classical conditioning. Reward and punishment
mjc71189 2 months ago
(From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)
(d) Definitions (2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents
kligonking 2 months ago
Chomsky's anwer to terrorism: give them exactly what they want and hope they don't do it again.
TheGoldenKing20 4 months ago
@TheGoldenKing20 IFF it is a reasonable grievance ~ not sure if you heard that one
macculu501 4 months ago
@macculu501 Well, to Chomsky if it's a grievance against the West, it's reasonable, if it's a grievance by or for the West, then it's unreasonable. which why I hate the guy's guts. If I was President he would have been exiled to North Korea.
TheGoldenKing20 4 months ago
It will eventually discourage violent grievances & encourage peaceful ones, and we'd be more likely to live by liberty & not by violent tyranny.
cleanhomer 6 months ago
I agree with Chomsky... except in answering to grievances made by terrorists. I think that's a wrong approach to take; it's more like appeasement. It gives terrorists the idea that they can get what they want through violence & terror. That will eventually lead to a Mafia or strongman state.
What I recommend instead, is to answer & work on solving grievances made by peaceful, non-violent people... and to ignore the grievances of terrorists while bringing them to justice.
cleanhomer 6 months ago
noam your a beast
gshark2092 9 months ago
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"The real danger we face is not from terrorism but what is being done under the pretext of fighting it."
Michael Parenti
MichaelParentiOrg 9 months ago
Apologist drivel, intellectually dishonest. Chomsky is a disgrace...
boskinator 10 months ago
@boskinator Wow your detailed intellectual dissection of Chomsky's points was awe inspiring. I am so glad you didn't, like so many ignorant, bigots, give some child like 2 sentence dismissal...
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity
How typical - a Democracy Now fanboy defending Chumpsky AND calling someone a bigot (you left out fascist, Nazi, racist, etc.).
You're 62 years old? Wow, in two sentences, you made four spelling and punctuation errors. Stunned by stupidity.
boskinator 8 months ago
@boskinator And STILL cannot justify its stupid position? And can I get this right, if I had spelled everything correctly, then you would then admit you are a disingenuous ass? Or is logic ANOTHER of your MANY weak points. And you can also now justify the stupid Democracy now put down? What's that you are a yellow backed wanker on that subject as well? Well there's a surprise eh?
Oh and BTW I have PEER REVIEWED evidence for right wing scum like you being +ve linked to racists, fascists etc...
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity Quick scum bag find another spelling mistake before you have to justify you ignorant dismissal of one of the greatest minds of the 20th century.
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity Have just looked you are an effin Zionist and tried the *I aint a racist* gambit? WTF? Have you ANY idea what so ever at how stupid you are coming over? And I'll leave you with a final: REALITY IS LIBERAL, that's why you hate liberals, Democracy Now and Chomsky (BTW that VERY childish misspelling (oh the hypocrisy) aint clever (unless you have an IQ in the single digits like the typical right winger) it merely exposes your stupidity) Their alignment with reality exposes your
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity umwelt to the VERY uncomfortable truth that you reject reality and, by some estimates, can therefore be considered to be insane.
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity
I'm not a racist or a fascist. Those are labels YOU gave me. I have proof, however, of Chomsky being linked to "La Vielle Taupe", Robert Faurission and the Institute for Historical Review. Pick up a copy of "The Anti-Chomsky Reader", and weep. Oh, and Chumpsky's denials are LIES, proven in the book.
DeCcracy Now: you're right, I'm sorry. You're only subscribed to Russia Today and The Young Turks, both virulently anti-israel, anti-america and anti-democracy. My bad.
boskinator 8 months ago
@boskinator Loon! David Horowitz the lying, dishonest racist is a more reliable source than Chomsky? REALLY? Look right wingers brains are fucked. They have over enlarged amygdalas making them scared shitless of anything that disagrees with consensus, they are paranoid, illogical, believe any evidence (unquestioned) given to them by people in authority. They are spineless when confronted by greater strength yet STUNNINGLY judgmental and draconian when they are in a position of strength.
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity And see how this list of 'enemies' is extending, not just people who disagree with you but are anti-american, anti-israel and anti democracy - you are coming over as a brain washed ignorant far far far far right Fox news extremist. Look kid sell your effin TV and start reading dissident books. Your paranoia and stupidity are jaw dropping... You cans start by googling 'The Authoritarians' - you right wing authoritarian fruit cake and read 4 DECADES of PEER REVIEWED research!
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity
liberals are incapable of making value judgements, n believe that all creeds and ideologies are equal. U are an apologist for Islamic terror. If you don't like the western way, move to Egypt, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Jordan, Indonesia, North Korea, Cuba, Indonesia, Malaysia, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, etc.etc. etc. Democracy is far from perfect, but it beats any other political system.
Everybody who disagrees with Chomsky is racist^^ Read the book, then get back to me.
boskinator 8 months ago
@boskinator So liberals are incapable of value judgments? What cos you say so? I take it oif I say there are faeries at the bottom of my garden there are? Are you COMPLETELY ignorant about logic? Oh forgot you are a right winger... And boy you have some fast reading skills to get through that book that quickly - BTW one of predictions about bigoted scum like you is that you will look at NOTHING that challenges their ideology... Hmmm And I am an apologist of islamic terror WTF?
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity I aint an apologist for them but you sure as fuck are an apologist of Israeli and Us massacres. ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO GO HERE... You just stun my credulity...And supporting democracy AND THE MAJORITY OPINION while having a fucking science degree (the product of the ENLIGHTENMENT) and MORE intellectual understand than you ever will is anti west? YOU ARE FUCKING INSANE! . Look moron look up 'projection' you are fucking crippled by it. And that book is TOILET PAPER you
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity pig ignorant buffoon. Now scientist - you know the ones that study REALITY have a political bias:
'6% Of Scientist Are Republicans ' on you tube
You want to explain how such misguided liberal are driving western culture? See you are right wing BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT. Read lots pof science as an antidote...
Now it is YOU that is anti western therefore I take it you will not be a hypocrite and you will be moving to one of those countries - dont let the door hit your ass
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity Oh there was a final few questions (i DARE you to answer):
1) What was the Iraq war for?
2) Does the US support dictators in the middle east and would you remain quiescent if you lived under one?
3) How much land has the Palestinians stolen from Israel and how much has Israel stolen form the Palestinians?
4) You are FOR DEMOCRACY and want a FAIR 2 state solution on the 1967 boarders?
5) Was terrorism fine when Israelis were doing it when struggling for a state?
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
@StunnedByStupidity
6) how many innocent civilians has Israel killed and how many have the Palestinians killed?
7) You would be more than happy for the aid given to Israel to stop and be transfered to the Palestinians until parity in arms was established so the Palestinians could defend themselves?
8) You support DEMOCRACY by agreeing with the majority opinion in the middle East that Iran SHOULD have nuclear weapons - if only to defend itself from Israeli aggression?
StunnedByStupidity 8 months ago
I think most people haven't yet been challenged to clarify the subtleties of their definitions. e.g Terrorist have no authority, they choose to use violence to force their will. A freedom fighter has to actually be fighting for liberal democracy, not their version nationalism. These definitions are more subtle than people let on.
xlunax86 1 year ago
if you disagree with chomsky research us military actions in iraq and afghanistan.us military has dropped bombs and machine gunned civilians in attempts to kill the "terrorist".the us policy creates terrorist every time they kill a civilian because that noncombatant's family will hate the us.just as you would hate the person which killed your innocent granny.when you had a chance for revenge you would act.
ST8URCASE 1 year ago
LOL HE HAS FREEDOM TO SPEAK HIS MIND CAUSE HES A JEW.....THIS FREEDOM IS NOT FOR OTHER PEOPLE
snatchhog 1 year ago
Typical Chomsky, America is a terrorist? What about the question! Al Qaeda doesn't represent any state politics, its agenda is cosmic. If don't believe Al Qaeda did 9/11 I'm not talking to you, I don't do crazy. I will celebrate the end of the Chomsky era. I thought this board need an opposing view point.
xlunax86 1 year ago
@xlunax86
So only non-state actors/organisations are capable of terrorism? Whether Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 is irrelevant. We know who was responsible for the terrorist wars in Vietnam and South America and I don't see or hear you advocating the bombing of New York and Washington and California.
QwidgyboMan 1 year ago
@QwidgyboMan Yes. A state actor commences war. In a democratic nation these actions the responsibility of the people of that nation. Non state actors are responsible to no one, they demand power through violence. Their actions are not done with an effort bring a resolution to the state of war but provoke a conflict and cause causalities. State terrorism is known as total war, these people already have power.
Is there reason I should attack California or New York? Please tell
xlunax86 1 year ago
@xlunax86
Quite humorous that you would imply states act so as to resolve conflicts - That is naive rubbish.
I don't see how non-state actors being responsible to no one is at all relevant.
State terrorism is not total war. What the US did to Nicaragua was not total war. It was covert terrorism that should've seen Reagan hangning by his neck.
If you're in favour of attacking Afghanistan to halt terrorism then you should be in favour of attacking the US - A far greater source of terrorism.
QwidgyboMan 1 year ago
@QwidgyboMan Yawn.
xlunax86 1 year ago
@QwidgyboMan
Too bad you weren't on one of the planes that hit the twin towers. Spend about two hours in Afghanistan and after taking 4 mortar attacks and watching 3 VBIED's detonate in a crowded town center and tell me that WE are a greater source of terrorism.
I hope your liberal ass burns in hell.
WhiskeyoneUSMC 1 year ago
@WhiskeyoneUSMC
Spend about 6 months in Vietnam or Nicaragua visiting the graves of those killed by US backed terrorism and aggression. 3 million+ dead in Vietnam. 100,000+ dead in Nicaragua. And that's the tip of the iceberg. The US provided 90% of the arms to Suharto - A man compared by the CIA, to Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Probably 1 million+ dead in Indonesia and East Timor.
And I'm not a Liberal.
QwidgyboMan 1 year ago
I admire Chomsky, but the way he draws moral equivalences between America's use of force and Islamic Terrorism is a little disingenous. His literal definition of terrorism was, "to Use violence to intimidate typically against civillians for political or idealogical ends", and said that America could be indicted by the same charge. In Vietnam he might have had a point, but which civillians did the coalition forces target in Iraq or Afghanistan? He needs to back up his chat as they say round here
LeBigMacDaddy 1 year ago
@LeBigMacDaddy
Moral equivalence is a meaningless term. Either our actions are the same or comparable to Islamic terrorists, or they are not.
QwidgyboMan 1 year ago
@QwidgyboMan which is precisely what moral equivalence is, comparing one with another, quit contradicting people then agreeing with them straight after. For the record I don't think that Islamic terrorism and the War on Afghanistan are morally equivalent and to imply that they are is intellectually dishomest of Chomsky. I think he lets his outrage cloud his judgment sometimes - which is excusable, but it's still difficult to take seriously. And I say that as a fan of his
LeBigMacDaddy 1 year ago
@LeBigMacDaddy
There is absolutely no need for the word "moral". It's used to dissuade and discourage critics by juxtaposing our own way of life, with that of others, usually Arabs. We either are targeting civilians, or we are not.
QwidgyboMan 1 year ago
@QwidgyboMan Of course human morality enters into it. If it didn't you may as well compare the attacks on 9/11 to the Tsunami on boxing day 2005
LeBigMacDaddy 1 year ago
@LeBigMacDaddy Chomsky has written many books that I implore you to read. You're right, Chomsky, in this video, does not outline the targeting of civilians on the part of the USA in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. You long for facts, you will no doubt enjoy his more in depth, critical analysis of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (and more). He makes no leap in claiming that the US is a terrorist state, if you think that he is being dishonest, read his books to understand it at a deeper level.
MonsieurEm 1 year ago
@MonsieurEm Good advice. You got a book you could recommend?
LeBigMacDaddy 1 year ago
@LeBigMacDaddy Hegemony or Survival deals with Iraq. Afghanistan I can't remember what books, there's good youtube vids of chomsky talking about Afghanistan though. Look at his bib and see what you think is relevant to your interests.
MonsieurEm 1 year ago
I shudder at the thought of this man passing like Zinn. A future without Chomsky... I hate to think of that. However, I am (as millions are as well) humbled and forever grateful for the gifts this brilliant mind has bestowed upon all of us, to unravel the well hidden truths of our histories and progressions as a species.
thejuryissleepless 1 year ago
people think terrorists are people who live in caves somewhere in shitfuck no where. and kill people for fun........ this is false the real terrorists are your puppets like obama
dshiznit148 1 year ago
"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism.
Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it."
------Noam Chomsky
aerobique 1 year ago
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IceRich05 1 year ago
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Now, Chomsky, do I turn to thee, and mark my greeting well; for what I speak my body shall make good upon this earth, or my divine soul answer it in heaven. Thou art a traitor and a miscreant, too good to be so and too bad to live, since the more fair and crystal is the sky, the uglier seem the clouds that in it fly. Once more, the more to aggravate the note, with a foul traitor's name stuff I thy throat; and wish, ere I move, what my tongue speaks my right drawn sword may prove.
GreatGrumbledook 1 year ago
While watching this video (more listening to it than watching it really) my sight accidentally passed over advertised and featured videos like "Girl FIGHTS A Donkey?!", "Charley bit my finger" and "Hot gymnast spreads legs" that have millions or more views. Then I saw that this video has (at the time I was watching it) 2053 views. I drew a conclusion that we (human race) are doomed... :(
ikislav 2 years ago 36
@ikislav This comment is absolutely hillarious! GOOD JOB!
MyFunzy 2 years ago
@ikislav it just means this is bigger trash than the other vids you refer to...
rutherd 1 year ago
If only Obama would talk to people like Chomsky and Nader, we might have a chance of ending the madness.
calamagrostis88 2 years ago 2
the goals of islamo-facism is the destruction of the US and the creation of global caliphate.
bullbunnies 2 years ago
Love the quote about the white house terrorists.
Chomsky = win!
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gmaqwert 2 years ago
Chomsky is the man.
gijoeler 3 years ago 5
Excellent points made by Chomsky. Terrorism is committed by countries and states everyday but it is not referred to as such. As he says peace in the North of Ireland was only possible once the British Government had actually looked at the problems which existed there and tried to address theose problems e.g. replacing the biased RUC with the PSIN and allowing democratically elected members of Sinn Fein to join the government and represent the nationalist community who voted for them.
ChuckHippy 3 years ago 2
I agree that Chomsky makes many good points. However, I think the Ireland point is inapplicable because of the radicalism of Islamic fundamentalism. By this I mean that even if the US halts its hypocritical foreign policy, it may not stop terrorism from the region because the fight is not just political--there is much more to it. The West may find that addressing the political demands may not significantly reduce terrorism.
husky720 2 years ago
@husky720. "However, I think the Ireland point is inapplicable because of the radicalism of Islamic fundamentalism. By this I mean that even if the US halts its hypocritical foreign policy, it may not stop terrorism from the region because the fight is not just political--there is much more to it"
In other words, you can't trust the dirty arabs? You foolish, racist, SOB
oldjoe5 1 year ago
@husky720 "By this I mean that even if the US halts its hypocritical foreign policy, it may not stop terrorism from the region because the fight is not just political--there is much more to it." - What else is there to it? If attacks against western countries by Middle Easterners are motivated by religion or culture and not by hating their foreign policy, why is no Muslim fundamentalist ever attacking Brazil or Vietnam or Sweden? Hm?
PavedStones 1 year ago
@husky720 Terrorism in its modern Islamic form appeared in the 80's. I doubt terrorists would find more recruits if they have less American policies to hate.
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
Northern Ireland now has PSNI which is a better organisation than the RUC recruiting equally from Republican (Sinn Fein) and Loyalist/ Nationalist (DUP) districts.
scottishpg17 2 years ago
Although democratically elected members of shinn fein are now in government part of the compromise were that Sinn Fein had to attempt to break ties with the IRA and fundraising for terroism, in fact America following 9/11 banned Sinn Fein from fundraising in New York as this money was being traced to finance the purchase of bombs in Ulster. Therefore Sinn Fein had no choice but to co-operate and distance itself from the IRA.
scottishpg17 2 years ago
@scottishpg17
Sinn Fein had been moving in a wholly political direction since 1997 and the Good Friday Agreement and long before that in the talks which lead up to the agreement.
ChuckHippy 2 years ago
When the UK government deployed forces to Ulster it was in defence of the local Republican residents. i.e. those opposed to British rule. So no Britain did not commit acts of terror.
scottishpg17 2 years ago
Yes, the British army was initally sent into Northern Ireland in order to defend the Republicans. I think that fact became one of life's cruel ironies when one looks back on the history of Ireland objectively. As there is documented evidence that the British government had colluded with Loyalist terrorists (as brought out in the Stevens Inquiries) that definitely would constitute as state terrorism.
ChuckHippy 2 years ago
Hello, I hope you have more video of this presentation by Noam. Please post it if you do. Thanks!
Marly61 3 years ago