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  • @falchion49: of coz the creationists are not going to succeed in their little plan of overturning evolution with their patty "so-called-evidence" of disproof. However tho, I think we understand that the movement of creationist is mostly political(at least in the USA)... Therefore, I am not excluding the possibility of some powerful political force turning us all back to a bunch of medieval zealots.

  • Evolutionist? I'm an Archaeologist too. :)

  • Because they're desperate to prove their bollocks right and its an easy way for their limited brains to work.

  • Why they lump it all under one banner is because, in the words of AronRa, "its an attempt to minimise the sheer volume of sciences against their position"

  • Why throw it all under the one banner, evolutionism? Because all those sciences falling under that label contradict their Bible. Every theory dealing with deep time threatens their view of shallow time.

  • @zarkoff45 Shallow being the operative word. I agree but I'd add a rider, they feel threatened.

  • Good work mate. When are you back on the sauce as I believe I owe you a beer for shooting you in the head! ; )

  • @wanderingape Looking at it, probably a couple of weeks. I'm on some pretty strong pain killers at the mo' as the Trigeminal Nerve has decide to pick this week to say 'Hi, I'm your Trigeminal nerve. You may remember me from such pains as this.......... And this............' I'm hoping Church Eaton will be a drink and fall over event.

  • A friend sent this vid to me, I love it! Glad to see that there are other archeologists out there who give a shit about evolution.

  • @ArchyFantasies It's difficult to be an archaeologist and believe that myths of any stripe are true. Conversely, If the fundies looked at archaeology differently they could see that while we don't have massive reveletory moments we do tie the myths into geographical and temporal context and provide a framework into which their myths and the myths of other religions originated. Facts are more fun than lies, simple as that. (cont)

  • @ArchyFantasies (2) Also, I just wish they'd try to get the basics right. I'm not an 'evolutionist'. I'm an archaeologist who happens to accept the facts that my discipline and all of the other scientific disciplines have unearthed and checked against other facts. I accept the hypotheses that have been generated to explain these facts. Calling me or you an 'evolutionist' is laziness and lackof research on their part. Then again, what else do we expect ;-) ?

  • @falchion49: "Christian apologetics is a field of Christian theology that aims to present a rational basis for the Christian faith, defend the faith against objections, and expose the perceived flaws of other world views." - Wiki.

    Again, misleading, just like 'Intelligent Design'. It also says they use philosophical debate and scientific and historical evidence. Well, good luck with that! I'm going to go gather a few more sources and then ask an Apologist to define 'Apologetics'.

  • LOL - If wifey says keep it, you don't have much of a choice! Besides, the piratey look suits you. Good luck with the surgery.

  • @JonDgar I think you're probably right there about 'Er Indoors. The problem is that I might not have an excuse any more. The 'grand unveiling' of the eye is on Friday but after hwe last round of surgery I'm seeing quite clearly, albeit through a very thick brown haze caused by bleeding inside the eyeball from the incisions. Once that's gone, all being well, I should actually have better eyesight than before. This could lead to crossbow keratotomy.

  • I see the eye is still giving you grief my friend... keep me posted on the surgery.

    Or of course you could visit your local neighborhood faith healer, quote James 5:15, and save yourself the pain of all that messy, nasty "Science" stuff. ; )

  • @rationalmuscle I'm going to be boring and settle for the nmundane old world of researched techniques presented in peer reviewed articles and with proven results. Much as I'd like to go for the 'higher road' modesty forbids. I can now see out of my left eye. Admittedly through a brown haze and with a lot of discomfort, it's certainly better than the alternative.

  • Regular run of the mill Christians are merely deluded and brainwashed while IMHO Christian apologists are either conscious liars, mentally deficient, or have a finanacial interest in keeping Christianity going. It is one thing to blindly and naiively believe what you were taught all your life, that is where most Christians stand. But to actively refuse to listen to reason while spouting convoluted BS apologetics is a sign of a seriously deranged mind. BTW good luck on all your operations.

  • @HappyApostate I think you hit that nail right on the head.

  • Zomg, it's Nick Fury!

    /nerdmode

  • @amandarandom89 More like "Nick I'm a bit pissed off and may pout."

  • Great point about how to the creatards lump everything into being an "evolutionist" or not.

    So are they saying they don't accept all of it (geology, archeology, cosmology, etc)?

    Maybe that's a good thing to point out when they start vomiting all over the comment sections of videos.

  • @43alley Good point. They have to deny the evidence of scientific professionals in order to hold their viewpoint. For example claiming that raiometric dating doesn't work means that Atomic Theory (note the use of the word theory) doesn't work. Hiroshima and Nagasaki's town councils would beg to differ. Astronomy can't work because of the distance to stars, physics because lightspeed couldn't be a constant etc etc. It just goes to show how shallow their research and reasoning actually is.

  • Creatards wear two patches when listening to this excellent video. Both of them over their ears.

  • because the creationists are like scared children grasping at anything that will hold their fantasy story and keep it alive for them and their tiny little brains.

  • Aint too many folks who can rock the patch successfully....lol!

  • @barbnoon1 Thanks. I probably should have written the notes and then followed them but it didn't turn out too badly. I will be having a grand unveiling of the eye when I stop looking like the unnatural pairing of Russel Crowe and Marty Feldman.

  • YOU ARE BAD ASS!

  • Good luck with your surgery.

    And I like the KerPlunk analogy. I loved that game. These creationists are merely science hobbyists. There's nothing inherently wrong with that IMO. I'm a science 'hobbyist' myself. However, whenever I learn about something that seems to fly in the face of (what I perceive as) conventional science my first inclination is that I'm ignorant of some thing(s), not that I've exposed some great lie.

    Creationists are deliberately ignorant intellectual narcissists.

  • @Hockeygod98 That's a good attitude. My problem with them is that they assume that they appear to think that dabbling in science or any subject allows then to stand on an equal footing with those who are professionals. That's why morons like NF think that his 'two whole years' of internet trolling on every subject he holds forth on qualifies him to pretend that people who devote their lives to science know less than him. It's arrogance of the lowest order. But refutable arrogance.

  • KEEP THE PATCH MAN!!!

  • @rekabsullett You just want to see me falling over and walking into things lol.

  • They'll never stop making idiots of themselves. Which means will have them to laugh at forever.

  • well good luck with the surgery, good thing its not medieval battlefield surgery :P

  • @qdragon1337 My primary aim after I'd been shot was to keep as far away from the team's medieval surgeon as possible. Once the ambulance arrived I nearly sprinted into it ;-)

  • Sheesh, and I thought my doctors had it bad. ;-)

  • :-) I've got to get going, but it was cool talking to you. Good luck with your surgery tomorrow. :-)

  • @Primalxbeast Good talking to you too. I'm in pretty good hands with the surgical team though they were a little confused when they found Fascism and Reality TV in my list of allergies. Can't be too careful you know ;-)

  • ROFL

    I bet he wished she had just shot him. :-)

  • @Primalxbeast I bet he didn't do it again:-D

  • Yeah, there's not much point being alive if you spend all your time worrying about what's going to kill you. I figure I'll die eventually one way or the other. My doctors hate me. lol

  • Luckily I've not been attacked. I have had 8 years of martial arts training, and though I'm a bit rusty, I think I'd be a harder target than the attacker was expecting.

  • @Primalxbeast There was an incident in the UK in the 70s when a young arsehole decided to mug a woman in her 70s. She threw him, arm locked him and frog marched him into the local police station. She was on her way back from a Judo class she'd been teaching. I love it when that happens.

  • I've gotten too lazy for martial arts, but full contact fighting with weapons on blood thinners would be a fun way to annoy my doctor. :-D

  • @Primalxbeast If my surgeon knew I was training people the day before major eye surgery he'd rip me a new one. But, bugger it, you've got to have some fun and I for one am sick and tired of sitting on my arse all day so today was a bit of a stress buster.

  • Lol

    Grappling skills are very useful, especially when you're female since you're more likely to be grabbed when you're attacked, but we didn't spend enough time on them in karate for them to be very useful. I think they take more time to learn than just striking and blocking skills.

  • @Primalxbeast I agree, women are more likely to be grabbed by an attacker, especially a male one. There are grips and locks you can use to get them to release you. H did a great one on one of our larger men at arms. He was walking funny all day. I also use a lot of Aikido in what we do because there is a limit to how flexible a human body is and many medieval moves are very similar to modern Aikido. Also, if you're wearing 100lb of steel you need to be balanced.

  • I don't think there's any place to learn HEMA here. I think the SCA here just bashes on each other with rattan sticks, but I've never been to one of the festivals, only the local fighting practice, and that was over 15 years ago.

  • @Primalxbeast HEMA groups tend to be small and aren't great at advertising. If you go through the HEMA organisation they should be able to put you in contact with some within your state (remember, I'm English. I once tried to drive from Medicine Hat to Vancouver to see an aunt when I had a week's leave. I was there for about 20 minutes before setting off back). SCA does have a martial arts side too, it's just finding it. Again try to find out who's who in your area and they'll help.

  • Lol, I'm not too good with grappling, we didn't do a lot of it in karate.

    Wife?, Oh well. ;-)

  • @Primalxbeast A good lock can go a long way. Shields aren't all they're cracked up to be. However, if you've got one of their friends instead of a shield you can have loads of fun.

  • Sounds like you do some cool stuff. Makes me want to join the SCA. :-)

  • @Primalxbeast Give it a bash, literally. I think you'll enjoy it. Though back it up with some HEMA work to get close to the actual styles used. There's nothing funnier than watching a huge guy leap into a melee waving a sword around and being disarmed by the smallest fighter on the field (normally a girl, normally an archaeologist over here) who has learned their locks and disarms. My wife specialises in them :-)

  • We were just in a class room, and this guy was really, really blind. lol He would squint and look around trying to find you. I just tried to keep a bit of distance from him. lol

  • Well, they do think people lived with dinosaurs. lol

  • @Primalxbeast The Flintsones Hypothesis.

  • My sensei made people spar without glasses for awhile after I gave one guy a black eye by popping out the lens in his glasses, and we had one guy in karate class who was blind as a mole without glasses. You could tell he had no clue where you really were and there was little chance of him being able to judge distance. Good incentive to block though. :-)

  • @Primalxbeast I normally make people train and spar without glasses because they can't use them on gigs. We have to try to be as authentic as possible and there's always recourse to contacts. Some people though have helmets that don't allow them to fight anyne directly ahead of them with both eyes. They're fun ;-)

  • Maybe they're confusing archaeology with paleontology. I would think that as an archaeologist you're in a much better position to refute the bible than a biologist since fundies think that everything in the bible happened in the past 6000 years.

    Nice point about fighting with an eye patch. I'd hate to spar with somebody without depth perception.

  • @Primalxbeast You're right about the palaeontology. The number of people I've had ask me how many dinosaurs I've found.... It's interesting too to see how many biblical literalists have latched onto the latest 'ark' find on Ararat (love the fresh straw in the vids). C14 dated at 4800 bp. Begs the question what about all the claims they make about C14 dating not working?

    Sparring is interesting because I also have low BP at the mo' due to meds so I fight, miss everything then faint. Not good.

  • I don't blame your wife at all. The "pirate" thing is dead sexy!

  • but it's so rakishly sexy

    just have to growl ARRRR

    when you wield your saber

  • @Shadizar666 Great, now I've got to buy a sabre..........

  • @falchion49

    - chuckles -

    to cover my own ass

    it was just a euphemism

  • @Shadizar666 The irony is, the guy who shot me was actually carrying a 15th century falchion with turned back quillion of the type that was a of a pattern that's a direct ancestor of the sabre. Completely irrelevant I know but what the Hell, it's Youtube, I can be irrelevant at times. Though I probably won't be again. Told you the medication was weird ;-)

  • @falchion49

    hey

    I got some cheap decorative swords

    when I say cheap

    I took the handle apart

    and found the tang is just a 1/4" wire

    welded to the blade

    how much do battle worthy swords cost?

  • @Shadizar666 Depends on what you want them for. Test cutting sharps I'd say Cold Steel. Decent quality and they'll last. Sparring, Lancaster's, Tim Noyes and Armourclass from the UK. They're all I allow in my team for full contact. The last thing we need is half a blade heading off for a new life via the audience. There are a lot out there that claim to be 'battle ready' but I don't let them into general until they have spent at least a year in tests, and I really test them. Avg £200-300.

  • Ben Stein, says Darwinism doesnt explain Gravity. The stupidity is amazing

  • I mean, you're already a complete badass! Might as well keep the patch for the image alone :D

  • @UmbrellaAl Do yu know how hard it is to be a badass with no depth perception. You et up from the bar stool, draw yourself to all 6'2", fix your one good eye on the mouthy little oik who's been giving peple grief all night. Then misjudge the distance to the bar and drop your beer on the floor before tripping over a bar stool. Not the best way to impress.

  • @falchion49 ... you've got a point.

  • Great video! Great points. Thanks!

  • @Etyde Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

  • They don't like the -ist because it means you have an education, and ignorant fundies can't stand the idea of somebody having a fancy edumacashun, you liberal elitist commie.

    You look like a pastafarian. :-) Hope your eye gets better soon.

  • @Primalxbeast It's ike the old Maureen Lipman telephone ad (talking to her grandson who failed everything apart from his sociology O' Level (ask your parents): "You have an 'ology'? That means you're a scientist!"

  • When they say 'evolutionist' they mean naturalistic world view..

  • @Brianswers It doesn't stop them being wrong though. Then again they aren't about accuracy really.

  • @falchion49 I wasn't claiming they were right. :)

  • @Brianswers I know, I'd just thought up the bit about Creatards and accuracy and didn't want to waste it though ;-)

  • Brilliant statement, along with the video. And I love the fact that you use "accept" in relation to evolution as opposed to "believe." I try to make that distinction quite regularly with less-educated acquaintences, but it's usually lost on them.

    Good on yer!

  • "I want to know why they try to push everything under this big banner of evolution"

    I think it's because they think that the "the big bang, abiogenesis and the existence of every creature on the planet happened over a 6 day period. THEY seem them all as connected through their bible..and simply cannot grasp these different concepts.

    Either that or they are just fuckin dipshits

  • @MrJmm999 I'm really tempted to go with your final option ;-)

  • The fact that creationists lump every branch of science that would demonstrate their superstitious worldview to be wrong speaks volumes about their aggressive ignorance, and by doing so they only serve to demonstrate why creationism must not be given the benefit of the doubt in science classroom.

  • @Akatam0t0ma I'll give an ironic 'Amen' to that one. Letting these nutters near the education system is tantamount to national suicide for the nation that allows it. Love the expression 'aggressive ignorance'. If you don't mind I'll probably nick it for future use.

  • Most enjoyable and I liked the Kerplunk analogy! Hope good things for your eye operation, Long John Silver :)

  • @AuntieDiluvian I like the implications of having 'Long John' as a nickname, I may just keep it ;-)

  • @falchion49 I assumed that's what your wife had 'christened' you!

  • @AuntieDiluvian She's too honest for that.

  • @falchion49 honesty schmonesty :)

  • Good post, logic and fact, some people have filters for those and never hear them!

  • @fireengineer Thanks. I am preaching to the choir on this one for the simple reason that if the average Creatard ignores the huge amounts of evidence already there refuting their Bronze Age beliefs they're not just going to take my word for it. Not even on subjects such as the archaeology of the bible (had NephilimFree on that one :-) Damn that was fun.) Put simply though, If I can stop anyone taking the Creatards' word for anything, then I think I've succeeded. If we all do it, they're fucked.

  • Well they have to keep circling the idea simply because they know that if they get too near to the actual evidence they might become "infected" with knowledge that contradicts their current worldview.

    It's the same thing with conspiracy theorists, they have to keep the evidence proving them wrong as an amorphous blob in the distance because if they examine it too closely the conspiracy falls apart.

  • @dominictemple I think you're right on that. A lot know that what they're doing is deliberately ignoring the facts. If they didn't though they'd never get followers and most of the televangelists, preachers, ministers etc would have to think about getting a proper job.

  • My thoughts exactly. If any religious text was written by a far superior being, it would require very little explanation, especially if that being created us, It certainly wouldn't require defence from fallible corruptible humans either.

    All the best for tomorrow :)

  • @OriMeissa Thanks. I'm in excellent hands, although one of the surgeons does remind me of Graham Norton.

    I know I'm preaching to the choir a bit on this one but Apologetics is something that bugs me. I'm glad that many people can see the Emperor's Clothes for what they are.

  • @OriMeissa Couldn't a god capable of anything simply explain it to all of us personally in the way in which we'd personally benefit most? Or put the knowledge we need to avoid hell into our minds from birth. I was born knowing that animals with sharp teeth are to be avoided, and a healthy fear of heights... so why not all the stuff I'm supposed to know to dodge hell? Are we to believe that "God" worries more about us falling out of a tree than he does us going to hell?

  • I agree completely :) 

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