"And what you ask, was the beginning of it all? And it is this.....
Existence that multiplied itself for sheer delight of being, and plunged into numberless trillions of forms, so that it might find itself innumberably."
@flicked1969 Scientists discover the rules, they don't make them up. Science just plain works.
It's a far more attractive idea to explore and enquire than to stay ignorant in the cave.
If galaxies were actually just big space marbles that big aliens play with, don't you think we would detect the acceleration? Humorous yes, but seriously flawed.
Also, Eintein's theories of general and special relativity have held up marvelously well and are some of the best tested theories in science.
@hyperbolaisagraph Right... just like the idea that they had enough humility to make the statement that the Mandelbrot set could very well be the " fingerprint of God ". "Silliness" to you is the assumption that everything everything you cant explain because of willful disregard or petty dismissal or just plain ignorance doesn't exist. Scientist cannot explain the orgin of "matter" .. only its effects ... which is kind of like the child who believes in God but cannot understand it. Psalm 14:1
@ZoneTelevision There's no basis at all for the wild eyed speculation.
Take the guy at 2:42; what he's saying doesn't make sense. He's assuming there even is a god, an anthropomorphic one at that, and that we actually have free will. And then fractals somehow play a role in that? Fractals make us free because they can generate complexity?
@hyperbolaisagraph Dude .. its a pattern repeating its self over and over and over again infinitly. IT was "discovered" through a mathematical principle. "God" in the anthropomorphic sense as has been taught for centuries, The Bible is very specific as to what God is and what he isn't. Numbers 23:19 is very clear on the subject. IT wasn't until the Bible was translated into English that creative thinking blossomed i.e. enlightenment and reformation. Fractals don't make us free... truth does.
dear god, there ar things in this universe that blow my mind. everyday im learning new things till i get the goddam truth. caz i aint comin back to earth again! THIS IS MY LAST FUCKING LIFE!!
Its amusing to read these comments, sure, but since when the strong assumption that language itself is 'container enough' for the answers? Any one part of such discussions can be delved into, fractal-like, and give birth to new topics. Or the same basic topic (!?) over and over again, but using new words to do it. I'm not even complaining --but honestly, y'all are trying to carry water in a colander.
I'm here for respectful debate. That's number 1. Number 2: Can you have a largest object? No. Can there be an end to time even in the absence of an observer? No. It goes on infinitely. My intuition is that it always has existed although I can't prove it.
If we take time we can divide it infinitely and never reach zero. there is no smallest length of time but for scientific purposes they stop at Plank time. If you had 2 mirrors facing parallel together are there not an infinite # of reflections?
Great documentary, I thought the music sounded very Floydesque! Clarke's words reminded me of a part of the Vedas which said "in the heaven of Indra there is a network of pearls so arranged that each pearl reflects all the rest". I think there's still a lot more to fractals than we realise.
Infinity is just a concept. There are no infinities in real life.
Check out Hilbert's Grand Hotel paradox to see how infinity "behaves". In a nutshell: if you add 1 to anything that exists in the real world, it will increase in size by 1. Infinity however remains the same size.
Adding 1 to infinity doesn't disprove the existence of infinity. Infinity is more than just a concept. It is reality. Just stop and think about it. Read my older post again.
You don't understand. You cannot add 1 to anything in reality and have it be the same quantity, no matter how large it is. 100 000 000 000 + 1 = 100 000 000 001. Agreed?
Whereas you can add to infinity all you want and have it be the same quantity.
@smaakjeks I'm sorry but I disagree. Infinity cannot be increased that is true, but infinities can be added with each other. It is a fact that some infinities are larger than others. At first this seems counterintuitive but after studying Cantor's work it makes sense.
However, it does not follow that since adding 1 doesn't increase infinity therefore infinity does not exist in the real world. I don't get your reasoning (respectfully)
There are infinities that are larger than others, sure.
"it does not follow that since adding 1 doesn't increase infinity therefore infinity does not exist in the real world."
I've never made such an argument. I've said that since that is the nature of infinity and nothing real behaves like infinity, infinity does not exist in the real world. It exists mathematically, and that's all good. But you can't point me towards an actual real life infinity. Your examples are all invalid.
@FadedSTEELERSfan I know... Thats what I said... I don't fully understand it but it has to do with comparing different sets of numbers on a 1 to 1 basis. It's called set theory and it gets very deep. There are natural numbers, integers, complex, rational, irrational, etc. Ie:naturals are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 whole#s include 0, integers include negative #'s so THEORETICALLY, the set of infinite integers must be larger than the set of infinite whole #'s simply because the integers encompass more.
@2eelShmeal ya dude im not really arguing with you cause after seeing fractals anything can be achieved with numbers. but the question is do you think numbers were here before us? weird question . and have you looked up things about pyramids and their powers ? or seen ancient aliens?
@smaakjeks "Ergo there are no infinities in the real world."
unless there is one infinity which is the entire set called "real world" and all other infinities are actually different perspectives of the real world. In this way, ∞+1= describes the observer's perspective on infinity and differs from ∞+2 by position of observation.
Example, whole numbers and natural numbers are both infinite sets, but whole numbers are viewed from the position of zero and natural numbers are viewed from one
Infinity is a measurement, it matters only in the minds of a measurer, and the question of a larger or smaller infinity doesn't make sense in the same way the question of "which is larger, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers?" If something is a pound then it is a pound, if it is infinite then it is infinite.
@mmiv37 Infinities can be different according to what is in them. One contains only rational numbers; another contains irrational numbers also; another includes imaginary numbers, etc. It is abstract. We can't measure infinity physically, at least right now, only the very large and very small (neither of which are actually infinite). What we call infinity is an extrapolation of these. Interesting that our minds can comprehend the idea of infinity without having the sensory experience of it.
I'm not sure I understand your position. "Real world vs perspectives on the real world"? A perspective is a concept, and as such is not part of objective reality but dependent upon minds.
@smaakjeks "A perspective is a concept, and as such is not part of objective reality but dependent upon minds"
Exactly. Reality is much larger than what any mind is capable of knowing; in turn, a mind can only grasp a portion of reality, and that is its perspective.
EX. Standing in the center of an infinite sphere. The view to the right stretches out infinitely, to the left, the same. However, both views are of the same infinity; the only real difference is the starting point of the observer
If you aree that perspectives are not part of objective reality, then are you agreeing that infinities don't exist in objective reality as well? Because that's all I'm saying.
I love how Arthur C.Clarke doesn't stop at traditional science questions and takes the whole thing further into all sorts of amazing places, the mind, creation, archetypes. Love you Mr. Clarke!!!
This documentary and its music were determined to find us searching for them. An example of dreams come true, if we search for them, just by dreaming and desiring.
Spankmonkey need to beat off! If the body of evidence that this series and others such like it don't click;(cymatics,origins of life,string theory,Fibonnaci's Fractals,and Law of One),nothing will and your no different than religious nuts! Creation is the Creator!Giving enoughtime, nothing, will still create nothing!!
@paddyrock666 I believe Blake also stated something to the effect that things now seen as finite and limited will one day be seen as they are - infinite and boundless. (Wish I could remember the quote.)
@paddyrock666 I believe Blake also stated something to the effect that things now seen as finite and limited will one day be seen as they are - infinite and boundless. (Wish I could remember the quote exactly.)
@StealthParadox I can see what you mean, but at that young age it may be difficult to grasp the principles of fractals, but once you can understand what it means we have a good overall picture of the universe and better eqiped to understand everything
@StealthParadox I'm actually learning this in School right now, I have a project to do on the mandelbrot set and i'm really interested and excited in it.
@drsloan you're right, but my thought was convoluted, I associated my 5 senses that do not observe the real reality, so in that case the map is not the territory (Robert Anton Wilson)
the guys loosely used the word god to simply explain the concepts of destiny vs. free will, and that starts a flamewar on the coments... Religion was never the point, and the whole things touches much more important matters...
I'm so sick of every scientific video on youtube being commandeered by people arguing for or against God. The Bible says nothing about God creating fractals, so what the fuck are you even trying to argue? Clearly any divine being which crafted the geometry of the universe is not the God described in any religion I know of, so either make a new religion, or shut the fuck up. Either way, stay on topic in the comments, if you want to argue about religion go to thunderf00t's channel.
"God" is a simple concept of "the creator" that is waaaay older then the bible or any modern religion.
Bear in mind; religion is in itself not fundamentalism, to study "god" has been seen to be noble until the fascist vatican started to kill people that said that the earth was not flat.
Ironically, the vatican is seated on the creators of christianity; Rome, the fascist empire that killed jesus, that wrote the bible 300 years after his death: pegan dictator who became christian in a desperate effort in the end of his life to save the empire.
Einstein, for example, was not religious. Yet he used the term "god" many times - and was misunderstood many times. "God" was simply the philosophical view of the underlying system.
Hi "kickstartmyheartkid"...just keep telling yourself that there is no divine being, no spirit guides, and we don't live on after death. It is the very easy way out... and it seems so simple doesn't it? Just say "no" right?! Don't forget to deny all miracles too, and strange dreams as nothing but rubbish.
amen kimberly!! God and science are so tightly intertwined, and yet they are the topic of many arguments because some folks don't get the utterly simple complexity of it all. That's right I know sounds like oxymoron, but that is the key to the universe, the paradox itself!!
and these words sound like an americans. if you knew squat about science, you would realize that there is no purpose for an intelligent creator and THAT is signifant
you dumb fuck. name one proven miracle. did you meet jesus first hand? i dont have time to teach your dumbass thy workings of this great machine, but if you think im apathetic, your fucking wrong. educate yourself and watch zuke696's videos if you want to learn something real.
To think that there is a deity which controls all and whose son has "saved" us all through his sacrifice, resulting in our everlasting life. I think is, in your words "the very easy way out". It is much easier to think that thers is no reason to worry because there is some divine force which watches us all the time and proverbially has our backs. As opposed to taking the truth for granted and living the short life we have as an animal and nothing else, really though.
@molesticles. I choose to look past the stories that were created with God has the main character and start looking at God as a creator of life with no hidden agenda for one group of people. Remove the propaganda and the universe opens up when there is a creator God, instead of being broken down to two elements of good and evil, heaven and hell.
@molesticles That's why it's so easy to accept for most people, on the other hand science needs work and is hard on the mind so most people don't bother!
@chamallowbleu they are not suppose to - stick to the subject. come morning you'll say they don't explain my mother - well of course provided you had one!
if you look for the floyd rarities torrent (A tree Full of Secrets), the audio from this video is in it, under the names of The Colors Of Infinity 1-6, thats the only way you can get the song i think
and its a bootleg traded by fans, so dont think that you are stealing music, theres no way to buy it and its never been released
Take a square. Cut it into 9 equal pieces, then remove the central square, leaving the other pieces. Then take each square and cut it into 9 equal pieces, etc etc.
The original square is the "parameter". The cutting and removing is the "operation". The effect when done to infinity is to produce a piece of fractal geometry, using an "Iterative Function System" (in this case, you!).
You could change the original parameter or the operation, and it would produce different geometry.
smashingparadox : You are confusing the theory of Parallel Universes with the Possibility of any imaginable life form existing in the universe. A Multiverse is not needed for your imagining, and a PARALLEL universe would mean "paralleling your Life / Universe not another imaginary one.
I don't know how to comment on your bleeding heart for some bullshit creature in some bullshit universe !
I don't have to imagine suffering, I just have only to observe the Human race !!!
The Physical Universe is a fractal set where every choice you make or could have made is played out in an infinite variety. A Quantum Multiverse where every posible outcome is in play for infinity..
If that turns out to be the case, doesn't that mean there exists an infinite number of universes in which all existence is an absolute living hell that "is in play for infinity"? (as well as infinite heavens)?
Heaven and Hell are subjective concepts based on the perceptions from within the observed universe. As such they are apart from and separate to the process of the unfolding multiverse. There may be an infinite number of universes, or there may be a Mobius continuum of unfolding fractal universes. NO GOD NEEDED . NO MORAL IMPERATIVES !
It could be said that of all possibilities there would exist a universe where all the best possible outcomes would occur and the opposite that a universe would exist all of the worst possible outcomes would occur. How you would judge events in these universes would depend of your perceptions from within the universe. Ignorant of the Multiverse there could be no comparison outside of speculation, thus perception is limited to the observed universe.
(reply#2) When humans experience too much pain, we pass out. We get punched in the arm enough times, it goes numb. When we get too tired to go on, we fall asleep. Not so for our unlucky Krolgarnians. Krolgarnians never sleep. They are always conscious. When pain becomes too much to bear, the only choice they have is to endure, they are trapped, trapped in an inescapable loop of pain. I feel sorry for these Krolgarnians. But only if they exist. And if ALL universes exists, then Krolgar must exist
whoa there buddy... how did you go from the multiverse to the existence of god to the bounds of society (aka morals)? seems like a bit of a leap to me.
"smashingparadox" brought Heaven and Hell into the conversation and these fictional places are derivatives of moral imperatives. I answered subjectively, to point out that good and bad are relative to perception sans morals.
There is a untapped unconscious intelligence in most Human beings. If it were untapped....God help us all. People will actually start to save their money instead of going into debt.....very scary.
When I have tried to explain these things to people they have labeled me Insane or Idiot Savant. I get really excited about colors and shapes. I see things others do not in patterns and repetitions. Finding this presentation is healing for me. I do not feel so alienated and estranged. There is so much to know. And so little time to develop consciousness of it all. I do find myself praising God Almighty for the scope of His wisdom and creativity. I conceive of Eternity in my heart. But miss it.
also used to dream of Pi. I once dreamed a solution to a Complex Systems Theory problem. I know nothing about the topic but I called a Math Professor who said I had dreamed a formulae for Potentiality within Randomness. I was describing a theory to him in a language I did not understand. Very strange in deed. I also dreamed everything could be described using 3's and 7's. I have really enjoyed watching A.C.Clarke. I recall seeing the stars in the monolith in 2001 and saying everything IN is OUT.
a religious experience for me. Like a great light has shone on my heart. I am very thankful for having watched this presentation. I look forward to seeking more knowledge on this amazing topic. I am very excited. Like stepping into a dream. Just seeing the colorful depictions has had a profound effect on me. I remember these shapes from my dreams. I find these images very assuring and comforting. Similar to Aboriginal Art. Are these not the Fingerprints of God? At the end of my fingers? I
As God as my witness I am telling the truth. I have never seen anything like this presentation b4, but having just watched it is simply amazing. I have for all of my life dreamed of my conception and my formation from two to one. By this I mean I have dreams of being initially divided (that is separated from my self, contained within my parents) then joined together, then multiplied over and over continuing till today. Fractal imagery gives me a language to express my dreams. This is like
hey man these scientist are a long way back, they dont even realize the implication of spirituality and the power inside of each humans to modify the universe we live in, please do some research on Graham Hancock, Terence McKenna, Gregg Braden, Michael Tsarion, David Icke, Nassim Haraheim, Rick Strassman, Yogi Bhajan, Dr Sebi and many more people....
The way fractas cycle their coloration is reminiscent of the way squid and the octopus change their colors. It's like a divine mathematical explanation that gives credence to the notion that everything is tied together in nature.
New colours are added so each new 'layer' of visible detail -made visible because we have magnified it, is perceivable from the last set of visible details we magnified, if each new magnified detail were coloured the same red you would just see red, but the joy of the fractal image is its visible presence relies on all known colours. The constant need for another colour to represent or describe the next visible detail is what gives fractals their seemingly animated qualities.
How the fuck do fractals have anything to do with god? These guys are idiots.
bewertow69 1 month ago
@bewertow69 - a youtube commenter calling doctors idiots.
seemstolastforages 1 month ago
To be able to observe this kind of things makes life worth living
Gago559 2 months ago in playlist Benoit Mandelbrot / fractal geometry
brilliant documentary, remember when channel 4 (uk) used to do whole nights of hours of this kind of stuff..
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
Ditto on the Buddha!
kweju3 5 months ago
The set looks like an image of Buddha...I'm just sayin'.
purpurpledog8 5 months ago
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lala09990 5 months ago
"And what you ask, was the beginning of it all? And it is this.....
Existence that multiplied itself for sheer delight of being, and plunged into numberless trillions of forms, so that it might find itself innumberably."
Sri Aurobindo
rubbersole79 5 months ago
Thank you do5e.
Bravo
rubbersole79 7 months ago
That last image... WOAH!
IndigoR 8 months ago
@flicked1969 Scientists discover the rules, they don't make them up. Science just plain works.
It's a far more attractive idea to explore and enquire than to stay ignorant in the cave.
If galaxies were actually just big space marbles that big aliens play with, don't you think we would detect the acceleration? Humorous yes, but seriously flawed.
Also, Eintein's theories of general and special relativity have held up marvelously well and are some of the best tested theories in science.
hyperbolaisagraph 10 months ago
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TheLovesoul1 10 months ago
The bits where the documentary lapses into silliness (Jung's collective unconscious, "god", "free will", etc.) are disappointing.
Otherwise, stellar video series– Arthur C. Clarke, Fractals, and Pink Floyd-esque soundtrack are three great things that go well together.
hyperbolaisagraph 11 months ago 2
@hyperbolaisagraph Right... just like the idea that they had enough humility to make the statement that the Mandelbrot set could very well be the " fingerprint of God ". "Silliness" to you is the assumption that everything everything you cant explain because of willful disregard or petty dismissal or just plain ignorance doesn't exist. Scientist cannot explain the orgin of "matter" .. only its effects ... which is kind of like the child who believes in God but cannot understand it. Psalm 14:1
ZoneTelevision 10 months ago
@ZoneTelevision There's no basis at all for the wild eyed speculation.
Take the guy at 2:42; what he's saying doesn't make sense. He's assuming there even is a god, an anthropomorphic one at that, and that we actually have free will. And then fractals somehow play a role in that? Fractals make us free because they can generate complexity?
Come on. Really now.
hyperbolaisagraph 10 months ago
@hyperbolaisagraph Dude .. its a pattern repeating its self over and over and over again infinitly. IT was "discovered" through a mathematical principle. "God" in the anthropomorphic sense as has been taught for centuries, The Bible is very specific as to what God is and what he isn't. Numbers 23:19 is very clear on the subject. IT wasn't until the Bible was translated into English that creative thinking blossomed i.e. enlightenment and reformation. Fractals don't make us free... truth does.
ZoneTelevision 10 months ago
@hyperbolaisagraph Just eat shrooms for once, you'll understand this stuff better. The visions show the same activity in your brain.
darklordmol99 5 months ago
@darklordmol99 Sounds good to me. I'll let you know how it goes.
hyperbolaisagraph 5 months ago
@hyperbolaisagraph lol@calling the obvious truth silliness.
Olio89 10 months ago
dear god, there ar things in this universe that blow my mind. everyday im learning new things till i get the goddam truth. caz i aint comin back to earth again! THIS IS MY LAST FUCKING LIFE!!
AresCosmos 1 year ago
The End is the best the credits roll at 5 minutes!!!
ps - stop arguing about things you cant wrap your head around
pps- what was the equation he used to find this sorry i only watched part 6 of 6
HEDSHOT 1 year ago
"God damn hippies!" -- Eric Cartman
mindprism 1 year ago
4:28 "...Charmed magic casements Opening on the foam Of perilous seas in fairylands forelorn..." Keats
Jefferdaughter 1 year ago
Its amusing to read these comments, sure, but since when the strong assumption that language itself is 'container enough' for the answers? Any one part of such discussions can be delved into, fractal-like, and give birth to new topics. Or the same basic topic (!?) over and over again, but using new words to do it. I'm not even complaining --but honestly, y'all are trying to carry water in a colander.
mymotorcycle5 1 year ago
Zen
Grey9man 1 year ago
I'm here for respectful debate. That's number 1. Number 2: Can you have a largest object? No. Can there be an end to time even in the absence of an observer? No. It goes on infinitely. My intuition is that it always has existed although I can't prove it.
If we take time we can divide it infinitely and never reach zero. there is no smallest length of time but for scientific purposes they stop at Plank time. If you had 2 mirrors facing parallel together are there not an infinite # of reflections?
2eelShmeal 1 year ago
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AnchyAna1 1 year ago
Great documentary, I thought the music sounded very Floydesque! Clarke's words reminded me of a part of the Vedas which said "in the heaven of Indra there is a network of pearls so arranged that each pearl reflects all the rest". I think there's still a lot more to fractals than we realise.
astrophonix 1 year ago
HOLY SHIT
nob5000 1 year ago
Respond to this video... omg my brain exploded. o.O
inkheart219 1 year ago
2:42 !
frisketdog 1 year ago
@frisketdog
Yeah, I know right? Talk about injecting religious nonsense into science. Stick to the math, professor....
smaakjeks 1 year ago
(Arthur C Clarke + Ian Stewart + Benoit C. Mandelbrot) * David Gilmour ...
I think I just had a Mathgasm.
TomFynn 1 year ago
There is no first cause or last effect
There is no largest or smallest number
There is no first or last moment
There is no smallest or largest object
There is no shortest or longest length of time
There are infinities all around us in all directions
Kinda creepy huh?
2eelShmeal 1 year ago
@2eelShmeal
Infinity is just a concept. There are no infinities in real life.
Check out Hilbert's Grand Hotel paradox to see how infinity "behaves". In a nutshell: if you add 1 to anything that exists in the real world, it will increase in size by 1. Infinity however remains the same size.
smaakjeks 1 year ago
@smaakjeks Infinity is all around us my friend.
Adding 1 to infinity doesn't disprove the existence of infinity. Infinity is more than just a concept. It is reality. Just stop and think about it. Read my older post again.
2eelShmeal 1 year ago
@2eelShmeal
You don't understand. You cannot add 1 to anything in reality and have it be the same quantity, no matter how large it is. 100 000 000 000 + 1 = 100 000 000 001. Agreed?
Whereas you can add to infinity all you want and have it be the same quantity.
∞+1= ∞
Ergo there are no infinities in the real world.
smaakjeks 1 year ago
@smaakjeks I'm sorry but I disagree. Infinity cannot be increased that is true, but infinities can be added with each other. It is a fact that some infinities are larger than others. At first this seems counterintuitive but after studying Cantor's work it makes sense.
However, it does not follow that since adding 1 doesn't increase infinity therefore infinity does not exist in the real world. I don't get your reasoning (respectfully)
2eelShmeal 1 year ago
@2eelShmeal
There are infinities that are larger than others, sure.
"it does not follow that since adding 1 doesn't increase infinity therefore infinity does not exist in the real world."
I've never made such an argument. I've said that since that is the nature of infinity and nothing real behaves like infinity, infinity does not exist in the real world. It exists mathematically, and that's all good. But you can't point me towards an actual real life infinity. Your examples are all invalid.
smaakjeks 1 year ago
@2eelShmeal how is an infinity larger than another if its infinity?
FadedSTEELERSfan 1 year ago
@FadedSTEELERSfan I know... Thats what I said... I don't fully understand it but it has to do with comparing different sets of numbers on a 1 to 1 basis. It's called set theory and it gets very deep. There are natural numbers, integers, complex, rational, irrational, etc. Ie:naturals are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 whole#s include 0, integers include negative #'s so THEORETICALLY, the set of infinite integers must be larger than the set of infinite whole #'s simply because the integers encompass more.
2eelShmeal 1 year ago
@2eelShmeal ya dude im not really arguing with you cause after seeing fractals anything can be achieved with numbers. but the question is do you think numbers were here before us? weird question . and have you looked up things about pyramids and their powers ? or seen ancient aliens?
FadedSTEELERSfan 1 year ago
@smaakjeks "Ergo there are no infinities in the real world."
unless there is one infinity which is the entire set called "real world" and all other infinities are actually different perspectives of the real world. In this way, ∞+1= describes the observer's perspective on infinity and differs from ∞+2 by position of observation.
Example, whole numbers and natural numbers are both infinite sets, but whole numbers are viewed from the position of zero and natural numbers are viewed from one
mmiv37 1 year ago
Infinity is a measurement, it matters only in the minds of a measurer, and the question of a larger or smaller infinity doesn't make sense in the same way the question of "which is larger, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers?" If something is a pound then it is a pound, if it is infinite then it is infinite.
mmiv37 1 year ago
@mmiv37 Infinities can be different according to what is in them. One contains only rational numbers; another contains irrational numbers also; another includes imaginary numbers, etc. It is abstract. We can't measure infinity physically, at least right now, only the very large and very small (neither of which are actually infinite). What we call infinity is an extrapolation of these. Interesting that our minds can comprehend the idea of infinity without having the sensory experience of it.
losthor1zon 1 year ago
@mmiv37
I'm not sure I understand your position. "Real world vs perspectives on the real world"? A perspective is a concept, and as such is not part of objective reality but dependent upon minds.
smaakjeks 1 year ago
@smaakjeks "A perspective is a concept, and as such is not part of objective reality but dependent upon minds"
Exactly. Reality is much larger than what any mind is capable of knowing; in turn, a mind can only grasp a portion of reality, and that is its perspective.
EX. Standing in the center of an infinite sphere. The view to the right stretches out infinitely, to the left, the same. However, both views are of the same infinity; the only real difference is the starting point of the observer
mmiv37 1 year ago
@mmiv37
If you aree that perspectives are not part of objective reality, then are you agreeing that infinities don't exist in objective reality as well? Because that's all I'm saying.
smaakjeks 1 year ago
@smaakjeks
mmiv37 1 year ago
wow... amazing...
PrettyRedRobin 1 year ago
I love how Arthur C.Clarke doesn't stop at traditional science questions and takes the whole thing further into all sorts of amazing places, the mind, creation, archetypes. Love you Mr. Clarke!!!
amatorynumber 1 year ago
This documentary and its music were determined to find us searching for them. An example of dreams come true, if we search for them, just by dreaming and desiring.
didakelx 1 year ago
This series," Rocks!"
wiseyeffect 1 year ago
Spankmonkey need to beat off! If the body of evidence that this series and others such like it don't click;(cymatics,origins of life,string theory,Fibonnaci's Fractals,and Law of One),nothing will and your no different than religious nuts! Creation is the Creator!Giving enoughtime, nothing, will still create nothing!!
wiseyeffect 1 year ago
To see the world in a grain of sand, and to see heaven in a wild flower, hold infinity in the palm of your hands, and eternity in an hour.
William Blake
paddyrock666 1 year ago 34
@paddyrock666 I believe Blake also stated something to the effect that things now seen as finite and limited will one day be seen as they are - infinite and boundless. (Wish I could remember the quote.)
losthor1zon 1 year ago
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@paddyrock666 I believe Blake also stated something to the effect that things now seen as finite and limited will one day be seen as they are - infinite and boundless. (Wish I could remember the quote exactly.)
losthor1zon 1 year ago
@paddyrock666 - Lara Croft - Tomb Raider
APPRENTTICE 1 year ago
"The map is the treasure". That's very Borges-like.
Great upload!
FractalBolt 1 year ago
please tell me the best freeware fractal viewing program
Teetseremoonia 1 year ago
sooo many brain orgasms!!
icanflynow 1 year ago 3
Why did god come into the equation?
spankmonkey6669 1 year ago
Great documentary but the end statements did not fit what they spend an hour explaining
alucard1791 1 year ago
@alucard1791 how come?
Tolstoievsky 1 year ago
I wish we learned things in school...
StealthParadox 1 year ago 34
@StealthParadox I can see what you mean, but at that young age it may be difficult to grasp the principles of fractals, but once you can understand what it means we have a good overall picture of the universe and better eqiped to understand everything
vk92007 1 year ago
@StealthParadox I'm actually learning this in School right now, I have a project to do on the mandelbrot set and i'm really interested and excited in it.
thesquiggoth 9 months ago
My brain hurts...
RomanGC86 1 year ago
4:42 ...in this case the map is the territory lol
proges 1 year ago
@proges: "The map is the treasure." (5:01)
drsloan 1 year ago
@drsloan you're right, but my thought was convoluted, I associated my 5 senses that do not observe the real reality, so in that case the map is not the territory (Robert Anton Wilson)
proges 1 year ago
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proges 1 year ago
@drsloan So in the case of fractals, the map is the territory lol
proges 1 year ago
Music by Pink floyd David Gilmour!
NrykeSolis 1 year ago
Classic Gilmour!
irena7777777 1 year ago 2
the guys loosely used the word god to simply explain the concepts of destiny vs. free will, and that starts a flamewar on the coments... Religion was never the point, and the whole things touches much more important matters...
buzinaocara 1 year ago
I'm so sick of every scientific video on youtube being commandeered by people arguing for or against God. The Bible says nothing about God creating fractals, so what the fuck are you even trying to argue? Clearly any divine being which crafted the geometry of the universe is not the God described in any religion I know of, so either make a new religion, or shut the fuck up. Either way, stay on topic in the comments, if you want to argue about religion go to thunderf00t's channel.
almussalix 1 year ago
"God" is a simple concept of "the creator" that is waaaay older then the bible or any modern religion.
Bear in mind; religion is in itself not fundamentalism, to study "god" has been seen to be noble until the fascist vatican started to kill people that said that the earth was not flat.
clarkcolt45 1 year ago
Ironically, the vatican is seated on the creators of christianity; Rome, the fascist empire that killed jesus, that wrote the bible 300 years after his death: pegan dictator who became christian in a desperate effort in the end of his life to save the empire.
clarkcolt45 1 year ago
Einstein, for example, was not religious. Yet he used the term "god" many times - and was misunderstood many times. "God" was simply the philosophical view of the underlying system.
He wanted to "see into the mind of god".
clarkcolt45 1 year ago
Is it hard to breathe with your head shoved so far up your own ass?
almussalix 1 year ago
gotta watch it when ur stoned
sirpukar 1 year ago 3
A thought comes to mind from watching these six clips: "I Am That I Am."
~ The Divine Being's handy work is all powerful. We are just touching the surface to the grand scale of possibilities.
:)
kimberlybunch 2 years ago
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Amen! to that.
Jaci75 2 years ago
no divine being
kickstartmyheartkid 2 years ago
Hi "kickstartmyheartkid"...just keep telling yourself that there is no divine being, no spirit guides, and we don't live on after death. It is the very easy way out... and it seems so simple doesn't it? Just say "no" right?! Don't forget to deny all miracles too, and strange dreams as nothing but rubbish.
kimberlybunch 2 years ago
amen kimberly!! God and science are so tightly intertwined, and yet they are the topic of many arguments because some folks don't get the utterly simple complexity of it all. That's right I know sounds like oxymoron, but that is the key to the universe, the paradox itself!!
Ermengarde11 2 years ago
and these words sound like an americans. if you knew squat about science, you would realize that there is no purpose for an intelligent creator and THAT is signifant
kickstartmyheartkid 2 years ago
you dumb fuck. name one proven miracle. did you meet jesus first hand? i dont have time to teach your dumbass thy workings of this great machine, but if you think im apathetic, your fucking wrong. educate yourself and watch zuke696's videos if you want to learn something real.
kickstartmyheartkid 2 years ago
To think that there is a deity which controls all and whose son has "saved" us all through his sacrifice, resulting in our everlasting life. I think is, in your words "the very easy way out". It is much easier to think that thers is no reason to worry because there is some divine force which watches us all the time and proverbially has our backs. As opposed to taking the truth for granted and living the short life we have as an animal and nothing else, really though.
Much love to Mandelbrot tho
molesticles 2 years ago
@molesticles. I choose to look past the stories that were created with God has the main character and start looking at God as a creator of life with no hidden agenda for one group of people. Remove the propaganda and the universe opens up when there is a creator God, instead of being broken down to two elements of good and evil, heaven and hell.
ministate 2 years ago
@molesticles That's why it's so easy to accept for most people, on the other hand science needs work and is hard on the mind so most people don't bother!
vk92007 1 year ago
I still don't get why fractals are so great, so they go on forever, so does a number line? -5,-4,-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3,4,5, etc.
1CME90 2 years ago
A number line goes on in only one direction, and only has as much detail as you want it to have.
Subtalvik2 2 years ago
Amen! to that.
Jaci75 2 years ago
I hit the wrong comment. lol!
Jaci75 2 years ago
you missed the whole concept you idiot
kickstartmyheartkid 2 years ago
@kickstartmyheartkid...WTF, well why don't you explain it to me then motherfucker!
1CME90 2 years ago
Thanx loco!! Fantastic!!
checkronnie 2 years ago
Best part of whole show: 2:40 and on
aaronhedberg 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this.
2661960 2 years ago 2
hi there,
please watch my new uploaded video "Fractal universe" about this issue
sofianbelhedi 2 years ago
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chamallowbleu 2 years ago
@chamallowbleu they are not suppose to - stick to the subject. come morning you'll say they don't explain my mother - well of course provided you had one!
vk92007 1 year ago
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chamallowbleu 1 year ago
@chamallowbleu As Einstein suggested the greatest experience that we can have is the deep and myseterious! That's what makes science interesting!
vk92007 1 year ago
Pithagoras.....
ELEYTHERIAETHANATOS 2 years ago
woohoo!! a triangle \o/
SCjake333 2 years ago
The process is the goal, the journey is the destination.
ehswan 2 years ago
That was a smart comment.
No.
pran1zzle 2 years ago
2:42 "how God created free will". Wow, we ain't seen nothin' yet.
THANKS
DAILEYericCaryUSA 2 years ago
I dont think i can look at the world the same anymore... this brings up a lot of questions to me... thanks for puttin this up dose!
GreeenT27 2 years ago
lsdftw
HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke 2 years ago
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tkpb938 2 years ago
Thanks for improving the quality of my life!!!!!!!!
lonchecaliente 2 years ago
very intresting!
thomas2260 2 years ago
How fitting to use David Gilmour's music for this kind of subject.
Taors 2 years ago 17
Particularly in part IV when Clarke makes the LSD reference.
djd259th 1 year ago
LOVE IT!
THANKS FOR POSTING THIS!
athono 2 years ago
ddddddddduuuuuuuuuudddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
shorlin89 2 years ago 14
@shorlin89 lol i know man. so intense, my mind is melted, everything is so connected.
TaiPan15 1 year ago
DAMN. What's the name of this song? I've looked everywhere.
Coeleomic08 2 years ago
its by gilmour from pink floyd
if you look for the floyd rarities torrent (A tree Full of Secrets), the audio from this video is in it, under the names of The Colors Of Infinity 1-6, thats the only way you can get the song i think
and its a bootleg traded by fans, so dont think that you are stealing music, theres no way to buy it and its never been released
terenceokane 2 years ago
sorry, its actually parts 1-20 in the collection
terenceokane 2 years ago
Why thank you kind young Sir.
Coeleomic08 2 years ago
The question is not whether God plays dice with creation, but HOW He plays dice with creation. Mindblowing!
superindigobear 2 years ago
Vedanta.
OneHeart75 2 years ago
Mandelbrot sets, just like Coronation Street go on forever and ever!
ironfootstudio 2 years ago
WOW BLOWN AWAY AAAAAMMMMMMAAAAAZZZZZIIIINNNNNNN puts a new spin on life for me and one I like this should be a religeon man ... peace out
tsactuo123 2 years ago 4
I just watched this whole thing, but I still don't feel like I've completely grasped this concept.
dandyoso 2 years ago 6
Take a square. Cut it into 9 equal pieces, then remove the central square, leaving the other pieces. Then take each square and cut it into 9 equal pieces, etc etc.
The original square is the "parameter". The cutting and removing is the "operation". The effect when done to infinity is to produce a piece of fractal geometry, using an "Iterative Function System" (in this case, you!).
You could change the original parameter or the operation, and it would produce different geometry.
shoseki 2 years ago
And it makes.... an menger sponge! yay!!!
amethyst8teen 2 years ago
No, a Sierpinski Carpet. The Menger sponge is three-dimensional.
stigomaster 2 years ago
oh yeah, sorry. right concept, too many dimensions.
amethyst8teen 2 years ago
@shoseki Yeah but you cant zoom into the square...
Andressguillen 1 year ago
Say what?!
The map IS the treasure!
Dude, that says it all. Hee hee.
...question IS the answer, journey IS the destination, wave IS the particle, mass IS the energy, puzzle IS the solution, ...
thinkofwhy 2 years ago 2
Forty-two is the answer _and_ the question, you say?
Everything makes sense now! Forty-two? Forty-two!
stigomaster 2 years ago 4
Arthur C. Clark + Fractals + Pink Floyd = Epic video.
MilesBennetDyson 2 years ago 5
wow, thanks to England- G-d save the Queen!
aaronhedberg 2 years ago
Feed the mandelbrot set into modular form geometry project it 3d and see the whole universe holographic
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pootnikalexander 2 years ago
I always wondered if aurobindo influenced Clarke, especially on Childhood's End. I guess this answers that (wait until the very end)
depechemodevilla 2 years ago
Only David Gilmour could have written the suitable guitar parts for this discovery
depechemodevilla 2 years ago
smashingparadox : You are confusing the theory of Parallel Universes with the Possibility of any imaginable life form existing in the universe. A Multiverse is not needed for your imagining, and a PARALLEL universe would mean "paralleling your Life / Universe not another imaginary one.
I don't know how to comment on your bleeding heart for some bullshit creature in some bullshit universe !
I don't have to imagine suffering, I just have only to observe the Human race !!!
GrimJerr 2 years ago
binary132 : ............"whoa there buddy..."
What are you riding a fucking horse ?
What kind of mental midget reply is that ?
Do you want me to stop thinking?
If you can't comprehend the conversation try googling the big words you don't understand.
Then get a Fuckin' Clue, ........."buddy"..........FU !
GrimJerr 2 years ago
no, asshat, i'm trying to get you to think outside your rigidly defined structure of society.
binary132 2 years ago
Freakin awesome. Thank you for posting this!
chrismighton 2 years ago 2
like the pink floyd one of these days cover tune
jmm1233 2 years ago
its more like a remix. thats david gilmour creating the music fo rthis
depechemodevilla 2 years ago
i know only the master of pink floyd gutairing can create a remix
jmm1233 2 years ago
Awesome series
RexNunc 2 years ago
The Physical Universe is a fractal set where every choice you make or could have made is played out in an infinite variety. A Quantum Multiverse where every posible outcome is in play for infinity..
Just Imagine !
GrimJerr 2 years ago 3
If that turns out to be the case, doesn't that mean there exists an infinite number of universes in which all existence is an absolute living hell that "is in play for infinity"? (as well as infinite heavens)?
smashingparadox 2 years ago
Heaven and Hell are subjective concepts based on the perceptions from within the observed universe. As such they are apart from and separate to the process of the unfolding multiverse. There may be an infinite number of universes, or there may be a Mobius continuum of unfolding fractal universes. NO GOD NEEDED . NO MORAL IMPERATIVES !
GrimJerr 2 years ago 2
It could be said that of all possibilities there would exist a universe where all the best possible outcomes would occur and the opposite that a universe would exist all of the worst possible outcomes would occur. How you would judge events in these universes would depend of your perceptions from within the universe. Ignorant of the Multiverse there could be no comparison outside of speculation, thus perception is limited to the observed universe.
GrimJerr 2 years ago
(reply#2) When humans experience too much pain, we pass out. We get punched in the arm enough times, it goes numb. When we get too tired to go on, we fall asleep. Not so for our unlucky Krolgarnians. Krolgarnians never sleep. They are always conscious. When pain becomes too much to bear, the only choice they have is to endure, they are trapped, trapped in an inescapable loop of pain. I feel sorry for these Krolgarnians. But only if they exist. And if ALL universes exists, then Krolgar must exist
smashingparadox 2 years ago
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Meth Kills !
And if your not on hard drugs
your clearly quite insane !
GrimJerr 2 years ago
crap, my reply#1 didn't show up. =\
smashingparadox 2 years ago
if you donnt have somthing good to say fool shut the f up go back to religion 101 rakar!!!!!
Rakariam 2 years ago
Poor Krolgarnians. :(
MilesBennetDyson 2 years ago
whoa there buddy... how did you go from the multiverse to the existence of god to the bounds of society (aka morals)? seems like a bit of a leap to me.
binary132 2 years ago
"smashingparadox" brought Heaven and Hell into the conversation and these fictional places are derivatives of moral imperatives. I answered subjectively, to point out that good and bad are relative to perception sans morals.
GrimJerr 2 years ago
Looks like a kaleidoscope....
There is a untapped unconscious intelligence in most Human beings. If it were untapped....God help us all. People will actually start to save their money instead of going into debt.....very scary.
Pvtjamesryan2 2 years ago
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GrimJerr 2 years ago
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GrimJerr 2 years ago
Is the soundtrack available for this? Gilmour does some really nice guitar work here.
bmp713 2 years ago
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bmp713 2 years ago
i saw fractals during a salvia high...i flew over pyramids and the sand was moving in fractals....trippy
zigzagbigbag 2 years ago 2
Wonderful, thank you so much for posting this, isn't it great that science and spirituality are getting so close. Hurry hurry I say.
maryswilde 2 years ago 5
When I have tried to explain these things to people they have labeled me Insane or Idiot Savant. I get really excited about colors and shapes. I see things others do not in patterns and repetitions. Finding this presentation is healing for me. I do not feel so alienated and estranged. There is so much to know. And so little time to develop consciousness of it all. I do find myself praising God Almighty for the scope of His wisdom and creativity. I conceive of Eternity in my heart. But miss it.
alexleitch37 2 years ago
also used to dream of Pi. I once dreamed a solution to a Complex Systems Theory problem. I know nothing about the topic but I called a Math Professor who said I had dreamed a formulae for Potentiality within Randomness. I was describing a theory to him in a language I did not understand. Very strange in deed. I also dreamed everything could be described using 3's and 7's. I have really enjoyed watching A.C.Clarke. I recall seeing the stars in the monolith in 2001 and saying everything IN is OUT.
alexleitch37 2 years ago
a religious experience for me. Like a great light has shone on my heart. I am very thankful for having watched this presentation. I look forward to seeking more knowledge on this amazing topic. I am very excited. Like stepping into a dream. Just seeing the colorful depictions has had a profound effect on me. I remember these shapes from my dreams. I find these images very assuring and comforting. Similar to Aboriginal Art. Are these not the Fingerprints of God? At the end of my fingers? I
alexleitch37 2 years ago
As God as my witness I am telling the truth. I have never seen anything like this presentation b4, but having just watched it is simply amazing. I have for all of my life dreamed of my conception and my formation from two to one. By this I mean I have dreams of being initially divided (that is separated from my self, contained within my parents) then joined together, then multiplied over and over continuing till today. Fractal imagery gives me a language to express my dreams. This is like
alexleitch37 2 years ago 2
hey man these scientist are a long way back, they dont even realize the implication of spirituality and the power inside of each humans to modify the universe we live in, please do some research on Graham Hancock, Terence McKenna, Gregg Braden, Michael Tsarion, David Icke, Nassim Haraheim, Rick Strassman, Yogi Bhajan, Dr Sebi and many more people....
MarTin3Z420 2 years ago
The way fractas cycle their coloration is reminiscent of the way squid and the octopus change their colors. It's like a divine mathematical explanation that gives credence to the notion that everything is tied together in nature.
vagliker 2 years ago
New colours are added so each new 'layer' of visible detail -made visible because we have magnified it, is perceivable from the last set of visible details we magnified, if each new magnified detail were coloured the same red you would just see red, but the joy of the fractal image is its visible presence relies on all known colours. The constant need for another colour to represent or describe the next visible detail is what gives fractals their seemingly animated qualities.
teamcrumb 2 years ago
yes he did discover the fractals but he was wrong when he said that nobody could have seen them before watch my video to see why
thecheechoftheages 2 years ago
anybody know wher i can get a ultra highresolution mandelbrot regression???
phobosx12 2 years ago