2010 Ford Mustang Auto Show Video - Kelley Blue Book

[marcelonator]

GAYYYYYY ADDING 1 MORE HP FOR THE 2011 MODEL? CAMARO SHAMED YOU BITCH ASS PONY UNICORN LOL ( I happen to own a 2010 Camaro so hate for the mustang comes standard LOL )

[elitecssplayer]

Yes we you are going to be Found on the road lookinf for garbage to eat. Get a life. The 2010 Mustang, Camaro, Challenger and CHarger are all beautiful and powerful.

[lowfiwhiteguy]

I really want to like this car. I really do. But underpowered compared to its rivals, and that GOD DAMN LIVE AXLE... What were they thinking? If this had a bigger engine and 4 wheel independent suspension I'd be all over it. It doesn't even come in green.. :(

[1vdn992]

You don't tell Ford how to build cars, and they won't tell you how to scrub toilets.

[seanmanibog]

Jesus, fords worst MUSTAKE ever

[a123a456a123a456a]

what the FUCK is the matter with you?

[seanmanibog]

Whats the matter with me? Whats the matter with the person who beat this car with an ugly stick :(

[elitecssplayer]

What? is the mistake?

[suicidineer]

Make it lighter- drop a Boss in there- get rid of the ugly body: Mustang Fixed.

[moosoo77]

Ford is still asking for "A 'stand-by' line of credit, in the amount of up to $9 billion. This line of credit would be a back-stop to be used only if conditions worsen further."

The bailout for Ford is not as big as the ones for Chrysler and GM, and not as urgent, but Ford still needs money from the government to run...

[Pajapajin]

i like the styling and all the features it has but the engine sucks

[andrestnt]

also about the honda did not mass produce the hydrogen car you know how much does a hydrogen car cost hydrogen is not even practical that's why they never went far with it and not all american automakers are falling ford is doing fine

[moosoo77]

actually the hydrogen car is much more practical than a hybrid and/or a gas powered car, they're offering it in California and the only reason that it is not being mass produced for the rest of the US is because I believe they have to lay down new pipelines for supplying hydrogen fuel in liquid form...btw, the lithium batteries that run hybrid cars require much more energy to be constructed than drilling for gas, which is why I think diesel is a much better option for fuel efficiency...for now

[andrestnt]

moosoo77

your actually wrong the american automakers have introduce a lot of technology like the transmission that is mounted on the back of the car like the gtr that was introduced by ford on there cobra concept also gm gave us a electric car if it wasn't for them the prius would exist

[andrestnt]

the shelby will be worth more than the bmw later on

[hazballs09]

ford didnt ask for a bailout, chrysler and gm did

[moosoo77]

live rear axle is just plain cheap, if i wanted that i might as well buy an older v8 muscle car that costs way less... btw wagull, adding a supercharger doesn't just add horsepower, you use more fuel and have more reliability issues than NOT having one, which would mean that the running cost of a mustang with a SC would be higher than that of the camaro, so again it makes MORE sense to buy a camaro, but i don't expect you to understand what i just wrote...

[wagull]

Ummm. NOPE! SC's DO add more HP! You REALLY don't know what you are talking about, do you? Dyno a car with a SC and it will have more HP. Now I KNOW I am dealing with a true moron. You just invalidated everything else you wrote. If ingorance is bliss then you are on cloud nine, buddy! The bottom line is that mustangs have ALWAYS outsold your shitty camaros. PERIOD. Let the numbers speak for themselves, and the truth will come to light. And as far as older stangs, I plan to own one some day.

[moosoo77]

ummmm, i think you need to read my comment a little more carefully, I said that a supercharger doesn't JUST add horsepower, meaning that's not the ONLY thing it does, it does other NEGATIVE things too...and where did "your camaros" come from, i never liked them before the new one came out and have never owned one and i don't plan on owning one either actually, all i was saying is that it's a better car than the new mustang BY FAR...i like smaller, more controllable track cars...

[wagull]

Good for you, you finally caught me on one mistake. I've called out many of yours and I'm about to call another one. I said "your camaros" as an expression, not actually meaning that you own any. And a camaro is not made with the same spirit that a lambo or ferrari is, either, my friend. The maro is an assembly-line production car, no better than the stang. And passion is evident in a car that can last as long as my stang has. It's called quality care in engineering.

[moosoo77]

i know what you meant and that's why i responded first by saying that i've never liked camaros in the past until i checked the new one out, but that doesn't mean i'm gonna buy it...and i'm not going to argue with you about passion cause i think that's a personal thing...sorry lol

[wagull]

Also, the camaro is not a "smaller" car. It is larger and heavier than a mustang. Get a stupid jetta if you want small. If you want small, controllable track cars, then get lotus. Small and controllable doesn't describe ANY muscle car or pony car, especially not the camaro. Idiot. Are you reading what you write? It doesn't make sense!

[moosoo77]

i just read it and it's true the last part is kinda off but what i meant was that i'm NOT about to get the camaro because i like smaller, more controllable track cars...i only like the new one in comparison to the new mustang and challenger...

[wagull]

For me, the stang wins it. The camaro looks busy and cartoonish. It has WAY too much going on with the exterior. It's too heavy and large, and the interior looks cheap and dated. The interior is better than the 09 stang, but not the 2010. It lacks the creature comforts that the 2010 stang will have. It is an inferior car in my opinion, and the suspension and HP alone don't make up the difference, especially when the handling on the stang should be adequate and HP can be resolved.....

[moosoo77]

again, i think style is a personal thing and each person has his/her own take on it...but you are a mustang worshipper so even if the camaro was lighter/smaller, faster, had different looks and interior, and so on, than the new mustang i think you would still defend the mustang, so there's no point arguing...

[wagull]

No, not really. At first I liked the camaro (when it started touring the show circuit 4 years ago). I don't anymore. I have an emotional thing with the mustang, but I really do think that this 2010 is an awesome car, and better than the camaro. The camaro is better than the 2009 mustang, in my opinion, but I would still get an 09 stang over the new camaro. I think that the IRS is overrated and that most don't need it. If they did, then Mustang wouldn't sell so well. Right?

[moosoo77]

well, i think mustang sells so much because ford has almostt always had better quality in the past by far than chevy, dodge, and pontiac and because other muscle cars also had the same live rear axle, so muscle car lovers didn't really have that much of a choice, but now that they do, it may mean that mustang sales might go down, but then again, by now lots of people have chosen the muscle car that they love and they might just stick with it no matter what...we'll just have to wait and see...

[wagull]

They have always had competition. Even if they are better quality than the others, the others have not been without thier own appeal. The mustang has had less HP than camaro for a long time. I may be wrong, but weren't the last generation camaros outfitted with IRS, too? The mustang was still outselling the camaro even in 2002 and before. Camaros have never outsold mustangs, and I don't see the new one breaking out of that mold. The mustang is too much of an icon.

[moosoo77]

i think it had an IRS but did you see the previous camaro? it looked so nasty i wouldn't even wanna go near it...and yeah it's also true that the mustang has been more of an icon, i mean it's represented American muscle cars all over the world so it's got a great history behind it, which may be a BIG reason for it's sales...

[wagull]

What about repeat customers (which I am about to be)? Thier sales also represent pleased customers who have loved and enjoyed thier mustang, who have found reliability in thier mustang, and who never get tired of driving thier mustang, even after 9 years of driving one (me). No, camaro can't beat the mustang in sales or in muscle car romance. It has its own diehard crowd, but I want the most famous car in the world parked in my garage. It's been a good conversation, but I'm bored with it.

[moosoo77]

me too, i want to go and watch some car videos now...

[wagull]

Sorry I replied after saying I was done, but I was so excited I couldn't contain myself. Thanks for putting up with me, and I did have a good time. Laterz!

[moosoo77]

me too, sorry :)

[wagull]

Sorry again.

[bprailfan1]

What a jackass, Mustangs should look like yesterdays cars. If I wanted a car that looks like it was made in Japan I would buy a Jap car. Better yet, drop the Mustang and do what

Dodge did, bring back the real muscle car. How about a full size two door with the styling of a 1969 Torino Talladega. Now that could compare to the Challenger. I've always been a diehard Ford guy, but now the Crown Vic P71 is the only Ford left that I love.

[moosoo77]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­o...it's still got a LIVE REAR AXLE...nooooooooooooooooooo...­now I'm never gonna buy that piece of junk...why couldn't they have put a multi-link rear suspension??? They just don't learn from their mistakes dang it...I hate ford now...like chevy better

[anonazero]

if they did that it would weigh close to what the new maro and challenger porkers tip the scales at.

i'd rather go fast and hookup better. the mustang die hard crowd feels the same way.

[moosoo77]

still man, to be able to turn is just as important, if not more, than going fast in a straight line...for going fast, you can always get better exhaust systems, air intake systems, chips and so on you know, but you can't just buy a multi-link rear axle for better turning...if they offered it as an optional extra maybe that would be okay too...

[wagull]

Read the 2010 reviews about handling. This car corners very well and grips awesome according to EVERY review I have read (and I've read about 5 or 6). Ford knows what Americans want in a muscle car, and they bring it to the public at prices the average Joe can afford, thanx to the IRS. You can't say that about the others. I seriously doubt that you drive on the damn nurburgring where IRS would be necessary. For the average person, the LRA delivers just peachy performance.

[moosoo77]

all I'm saying is that this car could corner MUCH better if it had the multi-link rear suspension, and by the way, are these reviews the same that rated the previous generation of mustangs as a well-cornering car with good grip??? cause if they are, I wouldn't believe them if i were you...

[wagull]

Even if the cornering would be "much" better, as you put it, that doesn't mean that the average driver would need that kind of turning capability. Most people don't race these cars, and the few that do race in a straight line, which works out better with a LRA anyway. And to answer your question, the reviews I read ALL compared the 2010 to the previous mustang, stating that the handling and cornering have greatly improved over the 05-09s.

[moosoo77]

it doesn't matter, a live rear axle is an outdated method and has been removed from pretty much all the rear wheel drive cars in the world and yet ford has decided to keep this in their car...even the new chevy camaro and the dodge challenger have a multi-link...also, the main problem with the old mustang was that live rear axle so this just goes to show ford didn't make the improvements where it should have, that's why i say this car is just as bad as the old one...

[wagull]

It doesn't matter that you believe that the rest of the world won't buy a LRA car. The sales prove just the opposite. The mustang has ALWAYS outsold the maro, aven after the introduction of IRS on the car. I know the same will be the case with the chally. On the drag strip, a LRA is your best friend. For regular driving, it holds up just fine. Those are the only 2 places you will be seeing the obese chally or maro, since those land cows can't handle curves with such wieght anyway.

[moosoo77]

yeah its true that the challenger and camaro have more weight but they also give more horsepower for the same amount of money that you would pay to get a mustang gt or any other mustang for that matter, which is why I think any one buying the 2010 mustang gt is going to be paying for a LOT less of a car than for either one these, especially the camaro...just can't compare 422 horsepower to a pathetic 315, and I think that might make a HUGE difference in the number of mustang sales next year.

[wagull]

Moosoo, you really don't know what you are talking about, and it's obvious. The price of a V8 maro is over 30K, and there are two types: a 400HP V8 and an even more expensive 422 HP maro. Both are well over 30K, while the 2010 GT costs around 28.5K. This car also weighs more than 400lbs less than the maro, and the chally is even heavier than the maro. For the money you saved on the stang, you can add an sc and get almost the same HP as the maro and have a car that weighs less and costs less.

[moosoo77]

wahull the point is that you're paying a bit more for getting a car worth a LOT more with the camaro than the mustang, the GT premium version costs $29K and I doubt a supercharger for a grand could add a 100 more horsepower...don't get me wrong I love mustangs, especially the older ones, as well as most other muscle cars but for me mustangs need to improve big time before I'd pay money for one...as of right now, i'd go for the camaro instead, its just more of a car...

[wagull]

Moosoo, that is not the argument you made. Go back and read your own post where you stated they cost the same. The PREMIUM does cost a bit more than the BASE which runs 27.5K, as stated earlier. Yes, for less than the price of a maro, you can add an SC which will give you close to the same HP (SCs can add lots of HP). How often must I repeat myself before you get it? For less than a maro, you can have a stang with a SC and ALMOST the same HP, that weighs much less. That's a maro beater, biotch.

[wagull]

At any rate, I don't care if you wouldn't buy a mustang or even if you hated them. I wouldn't want an idiot such as yourself who can't appreciate what a mustang is all about driving a mustang anyway. You aren't a fan, despite what you say, and you don't understand the spirit of the mustang, AMERICA's pony car. Geez, please buy something else. Leave the mustangs for those of us who can truly appreciate what they are all about.

[moosoo77]

wow, there's no point talking to you man, you're just one of those people who can't think about anything other than straight line speed, i'd like to see you talk like that on a real track any day...even a ford focus rs would kill a mustang gt...for what you're saying I might as well get a MUCH cheaper car than both the mustang and camaro and mod them up enough to kill both of these cars ANY DAY ANYWHERE...i'm wasting my time talking to you anyways so i'm not gonna be replying back...

[wagull]

Well, that's just fine with me if you don't reply. All of your replies are ignorant anyway. Every reply you make is nearly the same as before, and they all show that you haven't been reading what I have been writing. Whatever. Some people refuse to be educated. If you read, you would note that I wrote about the stang's good cornering and handling reviews, and stated that higher speeds in the stang (and this is true for your maro and chally, too) are best reserved for straight line.

[wagull]

Also, I'm not a "man", man.

[moosoo77]

what?! really? I don't know why but for some reason that seems strange to me, I mean I've never met a girl interested in muscle cars...

[moosoo77]

i never said i was a fan of mustangs, only that i like them, but that doesn't mean i would ever buy one because there are SOOOOOO many cars better than it...in fact you've convinced me that it's usually idiotic people such as yourself that buy a mustang when it's such a low value for money in every way...if you want true soul and passion, get an older version of the mustang that is cheaper and has more pedigree by far...

[wagull]

Oh, and don't talk to me about soul and passion. I know all about it. My "shitty cheap" 94 mustang has been through it all, and keeps running. That car has over 170K miles on it, and is 15 years old and NEVER gives me trouble. Thanks to that, I was able to afford going to college. I graduated nursing school last month, and I owe a lot to that car. I love it. I'll never sell it, even after I buy the 2010. THAT is SOUL and PASSION. That car is everything to me, and that is why I LOVE mustangs. FU!

[moosoo77]

i'm not talking about YOUR soul and YOUR passion, cause that seems to be full of FORD anyways, i'm talking about the soul and passion that is put into a car when it is being built, like an italian supercar, which you can feel when you are in it, and although you can say it's relative to each person, for me the newer mustangs lack that feel of a classic car, like the 1968 Bullit mustang...

[wagull]

If you want to talk about the passion of making a car, then you talk about responding to the wants and desires of the cars fans. Ford did this with the 2010 in every way except the HP, which will be corrected in the 2011 with the 5.0. They care about improving quality for real fans, like interior quality, speed, handling, looks, etc. They don't care about what non-fans want, like IRS, because they don't buy them anyway. Every mustang lover I've met is very content with IRS.

[moosoo77]

the handling is still terrible okay, cheaper and smaller cars like the mazdaspeed 3 and golf gti can handle better than mustangs or any other muscle car for that matter and get faster 0-60 times with the SAME amount of money spent...imagine going to the track on the weekend and watch yourself getting creamed in a mustang by some young teenager in one of those cars, it would destroy your self-esteem...but then again if you don't go to the track then it doesn't matter what you buy...

[wagull]

Sure, a cheap foreign car may beat it, but they don't have the complete package, like the muscle car look and feel. Why would any fan of camaro or mustang even consider such rinky dink cars? Also, my self-esteem isn't tied into my car. That's weird that you would even mention such a thing. Unless you buy the world's fastest car (and the camaro doesn't even come close, obviously) then there's always another car that's faster. It's about the whole package, not just speed.

[moosoo77]

well, there's the difference between you and i, i like BUYING fast and nimble little cars that surprise everyone by their superior performance while being practical all the time, but i totally understand the appeal of muscle cars as well and would love to drive one...it's just that i would probably never buy one...i think i can sum it up like this: you like muscle cars(specifically mustangs obviously) and i like performance cars, preferably small ones...

[wagull]

Also, I wouldn't feel "pathetic" if my more expensive car lost a race to a smaller, cheaper car. I really don't like those cheap cars. You might as well buy a rice burner. There's nothing fun, american, or macho about those cars, no matter how fast they are. Not for me, anyway. And if one pulled up to me at a light and wanted to go, I wouldn't even waste my time. I would laugh at them for having such a cheap piece of junk (even if faster). Would you sport a pinto if it was beefed up? No.

[moosoo77]

i don't really care if there's nothing american or macho about those cars or not, but if you're talking about fun, then that's a whole different world of fun i wouldn't expect muscle car owners to understand...anyways, Japs and Germans have ALWAYS made better cars than Americans and that's just the way it is, so for a lower price, i'm getting a MUCH higher quality car, not only performance-wise but also interior and exterior-wise as well...better value for money, simple as that...

[wagull]

I can argue against Jap cars being better. They are less expensive for 2 reasons: they use cheaper parts to make their inferior cars, and they pay their workers (including Americans) less money than the other car companies. This whole notion that they are better is unfounded and cannot be proven. It is an opinion, and that is all it is. German car companies have been very innovative, but not necessarily better. When was the last time you set foot in a Ford or GM dealer? Then you can't compare.

[moosoo77]

actually, Jap cars are MUCH more innovative in some ways than even the Germans, and the FACT is their cars have always been rated as having HIGHER quality than american cars, as have the German ones, see if you can prove me wrong...also, i will say that almost EVERY German car is better than its American counterpart, although probably more expensive but for good reason...

[wagull]

I can't prove you wrong, just as you can't prove me wrong, because "better" is in the eye of the beholder, an opinion, as I wrote before. Anyway, I just got done googling my fav car and guess what Ford announced on the 5th? The new 2010 Shelby/ SVT Ford Mustang GT500 with a a 5.4 liter and 540 HP will be released the same time this year as the other 2010s. Faster and more fuel efficient than the previous GT500.  Way to go Ford!

[moosoo77]

i can prove you wrong by one statement: Japanese and German automakers were not the ones asking the government for a bailout...and about the mustang gt500, i think you'd be smarter if you were to spend your money on an M3 instead, it's got less horsepower and it costs more but it's faster in a straight line and on a track any day and much more refined/practical than the gt500, it lasts longer, and the resale value(don't think you'll need it) is WAY higher...it's a beemer for God's sake...

[moosoo77]

wait, i forgot who i was talking to...:(

[wagull]

Nope, can't prove me wrong with that one. Toyota's sales are so bad they are closing their Japanese plants for 5 days next week because they can't sell any cars. They are all hurting. The other car companies can't ask for a loan from us because they aren't American car companies, and our economy doesn't have as much vested in them. In fact THE ONLY car company whose sales are improving is Nissan, and that's actually older info, so that may not be true any more.

[moosoo77]

yes of course they are all hurting but they weren't about to go bankrupt like the american car companies...and if you look at any proper review in the world, German cars are almost always rated highest in quality and value, especially against the American ones, and many times against the Jap ones too...hardly anybody in the world, including most Americans, prefers American made cars over European and Japanese made ones cause they are just so much more advanced in every way...and cheaper too...

[moosoo77]

i mean it's companies like honda, who have developed the first mass produced hydrogen fuel-cell powered car, not an American car company, that build cars for the future, and it's countries like Germany and Finland that have developed amazing technological systems in their cars bettering their safety, performance, comfort, and reliability, all at the same time, while American carmakers have been trying to catch up the whole time but never really succeeding...

[wenddiver]

They are also better at buying tons of magazine advertissing, so the car mag you buy may not take advertising money, but the parent magazine franchise lives on it. Kind of like "this is the Boss that feeds your Family, what do you think of his work?". You won't see any of those German or Japanese cars twenty years from now, they will bw scrap, the Musang will be collectable.

[moosoo77]

what i was saying about self-esteem is that when you're in a muscle car, you feel like you have so much power under your foot that you can kill any car, or most cars at least, and when a seemingly slow/small car passes you on a straight or a turn, it would really dishearten you and you would feel pathetic, because you're SUPPOSED to be fast...see what i mean? that's how i'd feel any ways...

[wagull]

When you use the term "pathetic" to describe how you would feel if you lost a race to an inferior car, or an underdog, then you prove that your self-esteem is tied up into how well your car performs in a race. You think jettas perform, but a performance car is a corvette or a porsche, not a volkswagon. I've got news for you. If you want a car that will preserve your ego, then you need to start making a lot more money.  Sorry.

[moosoo77]

i'm not talking about self-esteem being tied up ONLY in the performance of the car, but in the surprise because of the EXPECTED performance of the car...i don't like jettas but take for example a golf gti or a mazdaspeed 3 or an evo X or an sti, you would never expect them to beat corvettes or porsches or other high priced cars and then they do...THAT's the fun of little cars, it's the david and goliath idea that makes it so much fun...

[wagull]

Well then you can relate to the david and goliath comparison of mustang vs corvette. Corvette owners hate mustangs and think thier shit is the shit, but some of the little modded 5.0 foxbody mustangs can take some base corvettes. The whole "undergog winning against the expected winner" isn't something you have to look East for. We have that in our own backyard.

[moosoo77]

yeah but why would i pay more for a mustang with an LRA and bigger size and more weight and lower fuel efficiency and an american build when i can pay less for cars that can turn, are smaller/lighter/quicker, have more seats for my friends and family, better fuel consumption, and are built so much better??? it just makes so much more sense to me to buy smaller pocket rockets that are more practical by far not only as everyday drivers but also as track cars...

[wenddiver]

One day you might want to have a car that stands out as the coolest one in the parking lot. You'll need a Mustang then.

[moosoo77]

well coolness is a personal opinion...cars like BMW M3 always attract my attention much more than anything else, and they are much more "collectible" than the Mustang, with proper racing pedigree...Mustangs become really boring once I start seeing them everywhere, even with bright colors and loud v8 exhaust notes...

[moosoo77]

oh yeah also I think one reason the mustang don't have the multi-link is because it costs more to have one istead of a live axle, which is wayyyyy simpler, but that makes the mustang just feel cheaper to me...

[wagull]

You get it, anonazero. Finally someone who looks at the big picture, and doesn't just nag and complain about irrelevant details. True mustang fans would be unhappy with a change to the heavier, more expensive, and of course completely unnecessary IRS. After all, the LRA is better for embarrassing those arrogant maro drivers on the strip. FORD: First On Race Day, baby!

[313Cellycell]

gotta love the tail lights

[HomesliceDrummer]

I drive a 2007 GT, and this doesn't do it for me.

I like the 2010 design better, and everything is improved, but it still is the same car.

The performance numbers are still disappointing and behind the times. Ford needed to really step up the game and they didn't deliver. Suspension is better, but still crap. The power is decent, but they could have given it atleast 350hp.

Yeah, it will still outsell camaro and challenger, but this is still disappointing.

[indystang]

only 15 more HP NOT a lot more HP. Interior is mice but the tail lights are ugly. Live axle, 5speed, basically the 2008 Bullitt stuff

[000000papito]

es un auto muy bello recuerda las lineas de los viejos mustangs

[thunderstruck665]

The sequential taillamps are interesting. I wouldn't have thought that it was street legal.

[anonazero]

LOLz ford is the only one of the big three actually making money these days.

[ReactTeamSession]

big deal, they've just redesigned Mustang and this should be blockbuster of Fords?!

[andrestnt]

he forgot to mention the trakpac options the s/c options dealer install w/warranty so you can get a regular gt that handles slightly better than the bullit yes better or the same with 400hp or 500hp s/c for like 30 grand+

[stiqman]

"We rebuilt the car from the ground up. Same platform basically..." o.O?

[vir123456]

Bingo. The car is a piece of crap. I'd rather buy a 370Z.

[JR9324]

this car is amazing, looks perfectly American i think

[SteelCity1981]

A live rear axle still! when is Ford going to get off its ass an join the rest of the sports car world in the 21st century!!!!

[chelseamanuliver]

amazing,an american car with a beautiful interior.theres no other word to the design,its perfect.

[mesarius]

If they want to make it "more modern" they really should get rid of that live axle. How hard is it to develop an independent suspension system if in today's world they're commonplace? It can't be sporty when it has the rear suspension of a truck.

[TheJabHattEnt]

I like it. More aggresive, doesn't have as much retro styling as the challenger, but it is nice.

[davewhodavedunn]

wow they fucked up n the redesign. It looks the same, it will not compete with the dodge challenger or the camaro at all, that is if those companies even exsist then!