Countries with same-sex marriage: Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Iceland, Israel, Mexico, The Netherlands, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, United States
Countries that allow some form of polygamy: Iraq, Malawi, Libya, Namibia, and Uganda
Here's your argument: two legal consenting adults choosing their own life partners and receiving equal standing before the law. How is that like incest or polygamy?
There is no prevention of Adult Incest among Adult Adoptees within NC. Adult Adoptees do not know if they are having sex with a brother or sister. But trying to tell Paul Stam that went right over his head when we wanted access to original birth certificates.
Well of course it is! They are all three damnable sins! God shall not be Mocked! He should have compared it to bestiality too! God sent the quake, because americans continue to chose sodomy and the sins of the flesh over Obedience to Almighty God! America is Doomed!
How long before this scumbag gets caught sucking cock in some park? It is always the Republicans who scream the loudest about gay people who later turn out to be closest cases.
Representative Stam said : "You cannot construct an argument for same-sex marriage that would not also justify philosophically the legalization of polygamy and adult incest."
Is he wrong? I would ask those attacking him to present an argument for same-sex marriage that does also justify philosophically the legalization of polygamy and adult incest.
I personally have never heard such an argument presented.
@sped2001 Fine. But I'm not going to skirt along the parameters of you're argument, or rather, "invitation." If you don't mind, I'll ask some questions to get us started. "Why do we prohibit these things?" and "Is it our ethical responsibility to do so?" and "What ethical prerogative is this? Does the detriment to the individual avoided outweigh the fact that we ARE limiting their actions?"
adult incest is already legal in most states, including his own. has been for ages.
polygamy cant be made legal mostly because the system, as it works now, would malfunction rather spectacularly if it became legal.
it got to being illegal in the first place because people decided to legislate morality. which is rather bizarre considering the bible has polygamists all over and says nothing about it.
@pyr666 It's clear from the context of his remarks that by "adult incest" he meant marriage between siblings or between parent and adult child.
You're right.. Historically and biblicaly, there is tons of support for polygamy, but not for same-sex marriage. I don't think most supporters of same-sex marriage care one bit about history or religious tradition, though. It's just not relevant to them.
"It's clear from the context of his remarks that by "adult incest" he meant marriage between siblings or between parent and adult child."
yes, i know, my point stands.
im hardly saying that polygamy being illegal is justified. i just thought it was funny that so many of the conservatives draw the parallel while hiding behind the bible to justify their bigotry.
@pyr666 That's where you are wrong. Opposition to same-sex marriage is not based on bigotry. It is based on sincere concern for society in general and the welfare of generations to come.
Traditional Marriage has been supported by the state because it promotes a stable environment in which to raise future generations. Same-sex couplings produce no offspring, and don't belong in any discussion of "marriage".
@pyr666 Of course it's about the raising of children. Most men are polyamorous, and would happily sex as many gals as they could. Channelling their energy into one wife and a number of children that carry half their genes has worked very well biologically and sociologically. An adult disparate sex couple is assumed to be capable of producing offspring, and a stable family with two biological parents is assumed to be the preferred environment for raising children.
Let's see. The state's unemployment rate is 10.3%. People can't find jobs. Because of the budget shortfall the state is cutting funds to education. I guess those are all unimportant matters, as our lawmakers obviously think that gay marriage is the top issue in the state. To liken gay marriage to incest, do the representatives not realize it's legal to marry your first cousin in North Carolina?
@Clemburke1111 Well then I thank you!!!!!! Keep fighting, because there are still idiots out there like this guy.... Let's make sure Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann stand no chance for this upcoming election
well NC will be another state to NEVER go too - IF this passes.....america, liberty & Justice for all - are just words..EMPTY MEANINGLESS WORDS......LIES!
I dont hate gay people, some of my friends are gay but i honestly beleive being gay is a disabilty, I think they should be respected of their choice but I don't think it should be encouraged to the extent that it is.
@Liam2621 are u stupid on purpose? You have gay friends...really? So you're better then them, cause you like Muff, and pound pussy? Really? ...FYI Einstein...being Gay isn't a choice...either you are, or you aren't.....Im so sick of having to say the same thing over and over and over again to nitwits.
@rextrek i dont think im better than them but i do think they have a disability so i treat them with respect because of that, human bodies are designed to procreate not for anal sex with the same gender.
@Liam2621 No, there never was nor is there currently any "agenda" for the removal of homosexuality from the DSM. Empirical research was conducted, and it was found that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexual orientation.
@Liam2621 Oh does it? Let's see the research for that. I'd love for you to back up your assertion with empirical evidence. How exactly does the human body show that homosexuality isn't natural?
Often when people run out of reasonable arguments and have trouble rationalizing their prejudice, they reach for the Holy Book and use it as a weapon to persecute others.
They insist that God backs up their prejudice, that God hates all of the same people that they do, that God is going to punish people who disagree with them. And they think that's okay to dishonor God in that way, to blame Him for their hate, to put words in His mouth that just aren't true.
Every 4 years around election time; it is always the same old thing. Gay marriage!!! When in fact it will be a non-issue within the next election cycle.
This comparing two people born differently, and having true love to incest and polygamy is so stupid already ... When will these ignorant, holier than thou, condescending, speak for God old f_ _ ts get enlightened! There's so much problems in our nation, with the economy, poverty, hunger, and homelessness, as well as in the world. Why keep picking on the Gays? Why can't we all work together both Gay and straight to solve these problems.
@corbettcreek1 a phobia implies something irrational. It's not irrational to fear or hate a group that has been condemning you for generations. Christians are the aggressors, not the victims here.
Let's see what else the Bible condemns, eating shrimp, getting divorced, charging interest, women not obeying their husbands, oh and various things you can and cannot do with your slaves. So, I'm supposed to care what people who spout Bible think?
Let's have a contest on who has the best religion. Whichever religion ends world hunger first, wins.
On your mark, get set, go!
Christians, get your butts off your computer chairs, turn off the porn, forget about gay sex, and get to work loving thy neighbor, including the starving ones! You're always saying Christianity is the best religion, so prove it!
Mr. Stam is not quite correct. According to God it's on the level of incest, pedophilia, and beastiality ... with polygamy solidly condemned, but not quite as severely as those three. Homosexuality is on the bottom rung of the morality scale. Hope that helps. :)
@MaryWaterton "1 Timothy 2:11-15 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
If you follow the bible with such obedience, please take heed of these verses and stop commenting. Also, God doesn't make people gay, people are born gay. There's a difference. No, it's not a choice.
@wbrycem - 1-Timothy 2:11-15 is about Church etiquette and does not apply to all facets of life, such as when I am talking to a reprobate fag like you.
I am at least consoled that you are smart enough not to blaspheme God by saying that "God makes people gay". God doesn't sin and God doesn't make people sin, but you would be surprise at how may fags go shooting off their feces encrusted mouths claiming that He does.
@MaryWaterton You're either a dedicated troll or a dumbass. If you are a troll: job well done. If you aren't, then you've got to be bordering on mentally retarded.
A) Sorry, I'm not gay (or a "reprobate fag," as you wrote in such kind, fundamentalist Christian fashion). Way to damn me straight to hell right off the bat though. How understanding.
B) God doesn't make people gay because God doesn't make people. Nature does. "Sin" is an excellent social control, not something governed by God.
fuckity fuckity fuck, fuck, fuck. I smoke weed and I've had sex out of wedlock. I drink and I use God's name in vain. I wear clothes made of more than one fabric. I cut my hair and shave. I like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. I work on the Sabbath. I haven't killed other people who worship a different God (even though the book of Deuteronomy tells me to).
@wbrycem - Being "sympathetic", "compassionate", "humble", and "loving" does NOT supercede doing what is right. When the adulteress was dragged before Jesus, He forgave her ... but He also told her to "go and sin no more" (ie, REPENT). See John 8:1-11. That same applies to fags.
Jesus didn't die on the cross so that everyone can wallow in their favorite sin, whatever that might be.
@MaryWaterton Well, since homosexuality isn't wrong, then why are you being so crass towards the gay community? Or are you saying that you can only be kind to people after they've been forgiven by Jesus? Because it looks like Jesus was kind to her, even before she was forgiven. Ehhh, let's just leave that out though, right?
Sorry, but I look at religion as a tool for good, and you're using it to put the Bible on a pedestal and look down at everyone from your high horse.
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Countries with same-sex marriage: Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Iceland, Israel, Mexico, The Netherlands, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, United States
Countries that allow some form of polygamy: Iraq, Malawi, Libya, Namibia, and Uganda
MikerL81 2 weeks ago
Here's your argument: two legal consenting adults choosing their own life partners and receiving equal standing before the law. How is that like incest or polygamy?
hominyboy 3 months ago
Paul Stam is a moron.
Grandlnquisitor7 5 months ago
There is no prevention of Adult Incest among Adult Adoptees within NC. Adult Adoptees do not know if they are having sex with a brother or sister. But trying to tell Paul Stam that went right over his head when we wanted access to original birth certificates.
ncreformist 5 months ago
The old testament isn't suppose to be in service any more you stupid monkeys and instead of focusing on this. you should know that hating is a sin
mgssfan 5 months ago
I think polygamy and adult incest should also be legalised.
Yetaxa 6 months ago
Well of course it is! They are all three damnable sins! God shall not be Mocked! He should have compared it to bestiality too! God sent the quake, because americans continue to chose sodomy and the sins of the flesh over Obedience to Almighty God! America is Doomed!
GrandInquisitor7 6 months ago
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Normeiskey 6 months ago
How long before this scumbag gets caught sucking cock in some park? It is always the Republicans who scream the loudest about gay people who later turn out to be closest cases.
homerth1555 6 months ago
Representative Stam said : "You cannot construct an argument for same-sex marriage that would not also justify philosophically the legalization of polygamy and adult incest."
Is he wrong? I would ask those attacking him to present an argument for same-sex marriage that does also justify philosophically the legalization of polygamy and adult incest.
I personally have never heard such an argument presented.
sped2001 6 months ago
@sped2001 Fine. But I'm not going to skirt along the parameters of you're argument, or rather, "invitation." If you don't mind, I'll ask some questions to get us started. "Why do we prohibit these things?" and "Is it our ethical responsibility to do so?" and "What ethical prerogative is this? Does the detriment to the individual avoided outweigh the fact that we ARE limiting their actions?"
Benjammin0WALLIS 6 months ago
@sped2001
adult incest is already legal in most states, including his own. has been for ages.
polygamy cant be made legal mostly because the system, as it works now, would malfunction rather spectacularly if it became legal.
it got to being illegal in the first place because people decided to legislate morality. which is rather bizarre considering the bible has polygamists all over and says nothing about it.
pyr666 6 months ago
@pyr666 It's clear from the context of his remarks that by "adult incest" he meant marriage between siblings or between parent and adult child.
You're right.. Historically and biblicaly, there is tons of support for polygamy, but not for same-sex marriage. I don't think most supporters of same-sex marriage care one bit about history or religious tradition, though. It's just not relevant to them.
sped2001 6 months ago
@sped2001
"It's clear from the context of his remarks that by "adult incest" he meant marriage between siblings or between parent and adult child."
yes, i know, my point stands.
im hardly saying that polygamy being illegal is justified. i just thought it was funny that so many of the conservatives draw the parallel while hiding behind the bible to justify their bigotry.
pyr666 6 months ago
@pyr666 That's where you are wrong. Opposition to same-sex marriage is not based on bigotry. It is based on sincere concern for society in general and the welfare of generations to come.
Traditional Marriage has been supported by the state because it promotes a stable environment in which to raise future generations. Same-sex couplings produce no offspring, and don't belong in any discussion of "marriage".
sped2001 6 months ago
@sped2001
"It is based on sincere concern for society in general and the welfare of generations to come."
denying people a basic human right, that's great for future generations.
marriage is about kids? is THAT why people who are incapable of having children can still get married as usual?
remember states that i mentioned allowed incest? several have stipulations that one of the parties be unable to bear children!
that aside, surrogates, invetro, adoption. gays can have kids
pyr666 6 months ago
@pyr666 Of course it's about the raising of children. Most men are polyamorous, and would happily sex as many gals as they could. Channelling their energy into one wife and a number of children that carry half their genes has worked very well biologically and sociologically. An adult disparate sex couple is assumed to be capable of producing offspring, and a stable family with two biological parents is assumed to be the preferred environment for raising children.
sped2001 6 months ago
@sped2001
"Most men are polyamorous, and would happily sex as many gals as they could"
lol @ sexism.
pyr666 6 months ago
Let's see. The state's unemployment rate is 10.3%. People can't find jobs. Because of the budget shortfall the state is cutting funds to education. I guess those are all unimportant matters, as our lawmakers obviously think that gay marriage is the top issue in the state. To liken gay marriage to incest, do the representatives not realize it's legal to marry your first cousin in North Carolina?
tommyrixx21 6 months ago
This man should burn in hell----that's really all there is too it. I can't wait for this older generation in America to die out.
tcorc324 6 months ago
@tcorc324 Please do not wish for this older generation to die off, there are alot of older people that are pro gay marriage.
Clemburke1111 6 months ago
@Clemburke1111 Well then I thank you!!!!!! Keep fighting, because there are still idiots out there like this guy.... Let's make sure Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann stand no chance for this upcoming election
tcorc324 6 months ago
well NC will be another state to NEVER go too - IF this passes.....america, liberty & Justice for all - are just words..EMPTY MEANINGLESS WORDS......LIES!
rextrek 6 months ago
I dont hate gay people, some of my friends are gay but i honestly beleive being gay is a disabilty, I think they should be respected of their choice but I don't think it should be encouraged to the extent that it is.
Liam2621 6 months ago
@Liam2621 are u stupid on purpose? You have gay friends...really? So you're better then them, cause you like Muff, and pound pussy? Really? ...FYI Einstein...being Gay isn't a choice...either you are, or you aren't.....Im so sick of having to say the same thing over and over and over again to nitwits.
rextrek 6 months ago
@rextrek i dont think im better than them but i do think they have a disability so i treat them with respect because of that, human bodies are designed to procreate not for anal sex with the same gender.
Liam2621 6 months ago
@Liam2621 Homosexuality was removed from the DSM in the 70s, you're about 40 years behind the times if you think it's a "disability."
I'm going to have to go ahead and assume that you know nothing of how the body is "designed."
wbrycem 6 months ago
@wbrycem why was it removed though? i think theres certain people with an agenda to get it removed.
Liam2621 6 months ago
@Liam2621 No, there never was nor is there currently any "agenda" for the removal of homosexuality from the DSM. Empirical research was conducted, and it was found that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexual orientation.
wbrycem 6 months ago
@wbrycem of course they would say that, even though the human body itself shows it's it is not
Liam2621 6 months ago
@Liam2621 Oh does it? Let's see the research for that. I'd love for you to back up your assertion with empirical evidence. How exactly does the human body show that homosexuality isn't natural?
wbrycem 5 months ago
@Liam2621 Still waiting for that proof.
wbrycem 5 months ago
Often when people run out of reasonable arguments and have trouble rationalizing their prejudice, they reach for the Holy Book and use it as a weapon to persecute others.
They insist that God backs up their prejudice, that God hates all of the same people that they do, that God is going to punish people who disagree with them. And they think that's okay to dishonor God in that way, to blame Him for their hate, to put words in His mouth that just aren't true.
The truth is: God loves everyone.
eastariel 6 months ago
Every 4 years around election time; it is always the same old thing. Gay marriage!!! When in fact it will be a non-issue within the next election cycle.
dunivant66 6 months ago
I smell a closet case. Either that, or someone who is cheating on his wife.
People don't make that kind of claim, and not be toying around on the side.
Douche bag of the year.
GlassAgate 6 months ago
@corbettcreek1 I feel sorry for you, living your life based on a fictional book that was written to establish social power.
KamensTV 6 months ago
This comparing two people born differently, and having true love to incest and polygamy is so stupid already ... When will these ignorant, holier than thou, condescending, speak for God old f_ _ ts get enlightened! There's so much problems in our nation, with the economy, poverty, hunger, and homelessness, as well as in the world. Why keep picking on the Gays? Why can't we all work together both Gay and straight to solve these problems.
humu76 6 months ago
@corbettcreek1 a phobia implies something irrational. It's not irrational to fear or hate a group that has been condemning you for generations. Christians are the aggressors, not the victims here.
rg0057 6 months ago
Why do gay people have to have an answer for adult incest and polygamy? That's not what we're asking for.
All we're asking for is the same thing straight people have.
I haven't seen anyone asking for gay brothers to be able to marry, or three lesbians to be able to marry.
rg0057 6 months ago
Let's see what else the Bible condemns, eating shrimp, getting divorced, charging interest, women not obeying their husbands, oh and various things you can and cannot do with your slaves. So, I'm supposed to care what people who spout Bible think?
abmindprof 6 months ago 2
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Let's have a contest on who has the best religion. Whichever religion ends world hunger first, wins.
On your mark, get set, go!
Christians, get your butts off your computer chairs, turn off the porn, forget about gay sex, and get to work loving thy neighbor, including the starving ones! You're always saying Christianity is the best religion, so prove it!
eastariel 6 months ago
Mr. Stam is not quite correct. According to God it's on the level of incest, pedophilia, and beastiality ... with polygamy solidly condemned, but not quite as severely as those three. Homosexuality is on the bottom rung of the morality scale. Hope that helps. :)
MaryWaterton 6 months ago
@MaryWaterton homosexuality will change all the laws, in utah you got a pologyamy guy sueing the state
kellyannabama 6 months ago
@kellyannabama , is he gay? No.
rg0057 6 months ago
@MaryWaterton , which god?
rg0057 6 months ago
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@rg0057 - There is only one God ... Jesus Christ.
MaryWaterton 6 months ago
@MaryWaterton "1 Timothy 2:11-15 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
If you follow the bible with such obedience, please take heed of these verses and stop commenting. Also, God doesn't make people gay, people are born gay. There's a difference. No, it's not a choice.
wbrycem 6 months ago
@wbrycem - 1-Timothy 2:11-15 is about Church etiquette and does not apply to all facets of life, such as when I am talking to a reprobate fag like you.
I am at least consoled that you are smart enough not to blaspheme God by saying that "God makes people gay". God doesn't sin and God doesn't make people sin, but you would be surprise at how may fags go shooting off their feces encrusted mouths claiming that He does.
MaryWaterton 6 months ago
@MaryWaterton You're either a dedicated troll or a dumbass. If you are a troll: job well done. If you aren't, then you've got to be bordering on mentally retarded.
A) Sorry, I'm not gay (or a "reprobate fag," as you wrote in such kind, fundamentalist Christian fashion). Way to damn me straight to hell right off the bat though. How understanding.
B) God doesn't make people gay because God doesn't make people. Nature does. "Sin" is an excellent social control, not something governed by God.
wbrycem 6 months ago
@MaryWaterton Just wanted to add a P.S.:
fuckity fuckity fuck, fuck, fuck. I smoke weed and I've had sex out of wedlock. I drink and I use God's name in vain. I wear clothes made of more than one fabric. I cut my hair and shave. I like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. I work on the Sabbath. I haven't killed other people who worship a different God (even though the book of Deuteronomy tells me to).
wbrycem 6 months ago
@MaryWaterton And a P.P.S.:
"Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble."
1 Peter 3:8
Thought you might've overlooked that one.
wbrycem 6 months ago
@wbrycem - Being "sympathetic", "compassionate", "humble", and "loving" does NOT supercede doing what is right. When the adulteress was dragged before Jesus, He forgave her ... but He also told her to "go and sin no more" (ie, REPENT). See John 8:1-11. That same applies to fags.
Jesus didn't die on the cross so that everyone can wallow in their favorite sin, whatever that might be.
MaryWaterton 6 months ago
@MaryWaterton Well, since homosexuality isn't wrong, then why are you being so crass towards the gay community? Or are you saying that you can only be kind to people after they've been forgiven by Jesus? Because it looks like Jesus was kind to her, even before she was forgiven. Ehhh, let's just leave that out though, right?
Sorry, but I look at religion as a tool for good, and you're using it to put the Bible on a pedestal and look down at everyone from your high horse.
wbrycem 5 months ago
@MaryWaterton You are a loser.
Grandlnquisitor7 5 months ago