The Two Minutes Hate: July 29, 2009

[GunClinger]

GOD BLESS GLENN BECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[evilwatermelon]

RON PAUL 2012!! as a republican i am shamed at the state of the party. i cant believe how petty attacks on obama are. yeah obama isnt doing a pretty shitty job. and hes not quite the leader he was orator, but get real.

[pwpg0516]

This will all reverse to them as it is already happening.. Maybe 3 million of antipatriotic southerners support this garbage but the REST of US 297 MILLION DON'T

[peteyrose101]

the president is a racest!! he's exposed himself as such!! and this is a great thing now he'll drop like a rock in the polls the ppl who never paid attn will know who and what he truly stands for instead of hope change transparency all of which he has not done.one other thing i think they would get more hits on this if they called it wat it is.......2 minutes of truth.

[shoogie06]

Why would a man raised around rich people, mostly white that is half white be a racist? You're, my friend are an ignorant buffoon, a clown for emotional reactionary political pundits.

[peteyrose101]

i think u need to research the racists and marxist ppl he has had as friends all his life. STARTING as with his childhood mentor because he lacked a fatherly influence. so u see when u actually get down to it the ignorant baffoon is u for not doing ur research b4 u talk to someone who has. feel free to comment back and i'll start listing the names and we can educate u together. i think then u'll see y he put his foot in his mouth about the cop sit. exposing himself as the racist he is.

[shoogie06]

He's not racist because he questioned a cops action in arresting well known Harvard law professor. Not having a father figure doesn't make someone a Marxist. I've studied his biography. There's nothing that makes him a communist or a racist. And his politics are rather center-right anyways. He's not a Marxist.

[MamaJacqueroo]

This is the first time I've looked up this sick MF cus I've been hearing so much about his idiotic rants. Boy, it was no exaggeration! This guy is definitely a sick f**k. He gets paid to cause conflict. Like we need any more of that in AMerica. Does anyone actually believe this moron?

[Turambar88]

These people are absolutely deranged

[Screenplaya]

When does this stuff start being TREASON?

[dizzymasekela]

President Barack Obama. Senator Al Franken. The anti-American right-wing is going crazy.

[Realizalize]

europe needs to know!

it is a perfect example to show them a mirror.

it is unbelievable what ya have come to, there

. how unethical, dumb, retarded it may be, don`t think that , because it so obviously

worst tv standard ever, that it doesn`t have effect or doesn`t fly, it `ll stick around for ever. i imagine ppl should`ve quality

on air, ppl and kids can gain from.

[LorcaAdonai]

"two minutes hate" is a concept taken from the book 1984 in which both BIG BROTHER(FEAR) and Emmanuel Goldstien(Hope) were both instruments of the state used to control the polar nature of the citizenry.

two sides of the same coin.

The state also induced its own terrorist attacks against the people and blamed it on an imaginary group.

but you guys cant put the puzzle together.

fuckers.

[fetalbetal]

I love big brother.... not

[cherrycokewine]

Programs based on race? Isn't that how it's always been?

[Jayskrilla1232]

hahahahaha o man

[089niamh]

so, glen. you're saying that he hates his mother, his grandparents, all of his white relatives and his white friends? Hmm....?

and only rush limbaugh could manage to put "obama" , "spoiled brat" and "chicago thug" in the same sentence.

[Jayskrilla1232]

don't you see what is wrong with you people, you are all race obsessed. i never said white people are discriminated against more or equal to than blacks. but i'm just trying to defend my beliefs because everyone is making 'white males' out to be the worst thing on two legs. it really is pathetic that you people think in this specific situation with the cambridge cop and the harvard professor it is racism. and never have i once thought 'oh what if it was vice versa and the cop was black

[taoofmichael]

A FEW FACTS:

'There is only ONE KIND of "racism" that has ever caused ANY PROBLEMS in America -- that is White Supremacy.

White Christian males will cry "victim" faster than a two-bit crack whore (see Glenn Beck, this video.)

The Super-wealthy Corporate Goldman Sachs Wall Street Crime Syndicate (here given voice by Glenn Beck,) GAINS BY KEEPING WORKING PEOPLE DIVIDED, and hating each other -- instead of the true enemy.

When the cop handcuffed Gates, he violated his constitutional rights.

[susanfrom]

If your friend was arrested in his own home, wouldn't you be angry. What if it was white professor. Wouldn't you be mad. And boy don't even think about it if it was a white professor and black cop. Beck, Limbaugh et al are just being utterly hateful. It's unbelievable. Racism is alive & well in America and these guys just proved it. That they are so racist they can't even conceive the possibility that the Prof. Gates & President Obama might possibly have a reason for their anger.

[electango]

Exactly. Any opposition to Obama is racist per se. Anyone opposed to the appointment of Obama as President for Life is full of hate and a total racist. Long live Obama!!!

[genie0390]

Asians don't scream racism because they're too busy working hard!

[Propagandhi900]

"Most black Americans are taught from an early age to hate whites. blame whites. hate whites. fight whites. whitey did it . Obama 20 years in a racist church. hating on whites. Poor discriminated Obama. piece of dog poo."

You have a source? What source for these statistics do you have?

[bigtfw2008]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HA

This retoric is to funny.

[andid]

I'm white, I have a good life, and I didn't earn it. I just wish the old white people could admit the same.

As great as the American rags to riches dream is, it doesn't happen very often. Not to anyone I know, anyway. Much of wealth, opportunity, and "merit" is decided before you're born.

Until it isn't, we should have affirmative action.

[electango]

I know. I'm lucky too. I don't have to work. Every day I receive a letter from the White Peoples Bureau (delivered by a person of color mail delivery person). Inside the letter is $300 which I get for being white.

[andid]

It's easy to attack a strawman....how about next time you attack my ideas, instead of the one's you've invented for me?

Face it: there isn't as much mobility between economic classes as we like to imagine, and class is still largely determined by "race". You don't get a 300 dollar check, but Caucasians do (very generally speaking) get nicer homes with more advanced schools and safer communities by no "merit" of their own but who's vagina they came out of.

[andid]

I'm not discrediting many of the great things that have been achieved by people with little melanin in their skin, a genius is a genius....but if you don't have books to read as a kid, you probably won't be the next Pulitzer Prize winner. If you don't have a piano to play, you probably won't be the next classic virtuoso, etc.

[electango]

How about knock off the racism for a start? Stop paying attention to the color of a person's skin and start seeing the person.

[andid]

Strawman #2. I don't even believe race exists. When we say race we mean pigmentation and facial structure...and I do believe scientifically uneducated people see this as race.

It's not about what I see, it's about what society sees. If the entire world saw race the way I do, we wouldn't need affirmative action. They don't see it my way.

Now I'm done with you, because I'm sure you'll just come up with another absurd argument that has no connection to my point.

[andid]

And what a shock...you're old. Didn't see that one coming *looks at very first comment*

[electango]

Affirmative action is racism.

[andid]

No, affirmative action is a response to racism. Nobody wants to have special treatment given to them, but that's where our society is at right now.

You guys pretend like the deck is even when you know it isn't.

[electango]

Many blacks have it very good here in America and many whites are suffering terribly. A racist governmental policy cannot remedy past racism. It just keeps racism alive for our grandchildren. If you feel privileged and that you received undue benefits because of your race, give your house to a person of color and go live in a homeless shelter.

[andid]

I already said I was making a big generalization. Of course there's a huge group of wealthy blacks and poor whites. Though I should tell you, there are more skin colors than just black and white.

Affirmative action, in part, led to America's first black President. I don't think that's going to keep racism alive in our grandchildren. You're a dying breed, sir.

[andid]

And about that house....it was never mine to give up, it was my parents. I now live in a bug-infested flat in NYC that I don't think a person would want regardless of color. My parents money is my parents, and I like to keep it that way.

[Jayskrilla1232]

hahaha media matters is the biggest bullshit out there. they are so bias its disgusting, they are more of a political platform for the elitist asshole democrats

[503burnside]

lol media matters just replays what they see OMG

that is sooooo hateful

youre a fuckn moron, pull limbag's tiny cock out of your mouth,

& wake the fuck up

[aquamadman]

Dude, stop listening to sister fucking country. If you are saying that the racism experienced by whites is equal to that experienced by blacks then you must be living in this whites only city where your sister is your aunt and also the mother of your child. how else could you be that unaware of the last 400 years of racial supression and agression on this continent ALONE!!! and just incase you are to stupid to know this, it was'nt against whites!! at least we're not stupid back counrty hicks!!!

[psyentologysux]

Thanks to Media Matters for giving us a two minute digest of the daily wack-a-loon radio spew; anymore than two minutes is repetitive. The only talking head who delivers anything beyond the mind numbing political rhetoric is Michael Savage. but you have to sift through his far right rants.

[ihatelifejosemartine]

Glenn Beck calling anybody else a racist is funny. Quinn and Rose are simply morons. But Lou Dobbs is the lowest of the low. True bigot. Limbaugh never stops being a gas bag.

[JCNMDU]

The conservatives are truly the party of white people of the south. They are forcing themselves into a corner they will never get out of. Joe Scarborough talks of the Last Great hope in his book,he can forget it. The republican/conservative movement has fallen off the edge of the abyss. Glen Beck is falling into dementia on cable TV on a nightly basis. Did you ever think you'd see the day when Bill O'reilly is the rational sane conservative? Thats bad news for the GOP.

[Jayskrilla1232]

the conservative party is not the true party of white southern americans, that's just you sterio-typing.

[503burnside]

white-southern assholes like you can go fuck themselves

[Jayskrilla1232]

haha, ok biggot. i'm from nyc

[InfamousDominion]

Those who claim the President is a racist, are the racist. The US is a country based on diversity both in religion and ethnic background.

[taoofmichael]

There is ONLY ONE KIND OF RACISM that has ever been a problem in America -- that is White Supremacy.

Whenever any white person calls somebody else a racist, you can be pretty sure that the person talking is a white supremacist.

White supremacists are always claiming that people of color are USING THE RACE CARD. Or taking the role of VICTIM.

What I see, is that these white supremacists THEMSELVES will cry "victim" faster than a two-bit crack whore.

Poor white Christian males. So persecuted!!

[Jayskrilla1232]

Oh, you are so smart! . . . .. wait no. RACISM IS RACISM, PERIOD. WHITE, BLACK WHAT EVER GOD DAMN COLOR IT MAY BE. THE IDEA OF: 'WHITES' ARE ALWAYS WRONG AND EVERYONE ELSE IS RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO RACISM IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT AND YOU SOUND LIKE AN IDIOT

[taoofmichael]

Whites, in America, whenever they claim that they are being persecuted by other ethnic groups, ARE ALWAYS WRONG.

Because, in America, white people experience NO FORM OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, EVER. And they NEVER have.

White people own ALL THE SUPER-WEALTHY CORPORATIONS. (That really says it all. If you have the money, you have everything.) But we also own THE SENATE, THE HOUSE, THE POLICE, THE COURTS, THE LAWS, ALL THE TELEVISION AND RADIO STATIONS, MOST CHURCHES....

You get my point?

[Innize]

"Because, in America, white people experience NO FORM OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, EVER. And they NEVER have."

Affirmative Action isn't racial discrimination against whites?

See: Bakke v. Regents of the University of California.

[dmiller185]

Affirmative Action is racial discrimination in the same way that it's discrimination against people who can walk.

[Innize]

The addition of the disabled to protection from firing wasn't until the 1990's (Bakke was in the 1970's).

People aren't denied access to college because they're disabled. The Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 which led to the addition had nothing to do with college admittance.

Fail.

[dmiller185]

Yes, you did fail. Failed to catch the point. I suppose I'll have to be more explicit: Affirmative Action is not discrimination.

[taoofmichael]

Just like I said. White people will jump into the victim role faster than a two-bit crack whore.

When I can rape your wife and daughters, never be accused of a crime, or if I am, be acquitted, because you (because of your skin color) CANNOT REPRESENT YOURSELF IN COURT -- then you can cry "racism.'

Until then, quit being such a whining pussy. Its embarrassing. Poor white Christian males!! Boo hoo!!

Have some pride, asshole.

[Innize]

What the fuck does raping wives and daughters have anything to do with Affirmative Action?

If you can't represent yourself in court, that has to do with your financial class, not race.

And I'm not even a Christian. I'm an atheist. Dumb ass.

[taoofmichael]

Raping wives and daughters has NOTHING TO DO with affirmative action.

But it has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHITE SUPREMACY, which is the ONLY kind of "racism" that has EVER been a problem in America.

Blacks, Indians and Chinese IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT PAST, were NOT ALLOWED to represent themselves in court.

Super-wealthy whites have ALWAYS OWNED the corporations, courts, police, congress, television and radio stations...see my point?

With all those advantages, to cry racism is pathetic.

[JohnnyBB82]

Thank you. I keep trying to explain this to the conservatives in my family, but they see it the way Glen Beck sees it. :\

[taoofmichael]

Glenn Beck makes me embarrassed to be a white male. Dont these guys have any self respect? Can you imagine if a Black person complained about trivial shit like this?

[robbe21]

He acts like a scared little boy, throwing names and making things up. He's enormously embarrassing to listen to. Worse is that he's a prime time host on FOX, so he reaches out to millions of people. God this media scares me.

[JohnnyBB82]

I completely agree. Beck & Hannity are the horseshit on the shoes of mankind. I sincerely wish there wasn't a market for their kind of misinformation and ideological hatred.

[taoofmichael]

Right on brother.

Lets hope the whole country is turning away from this white supremacist bullshit.

[electango]

Right. Any and all opposition to Obama is racist white supremacy.

[electango]

You're forgetting the millions of Irish and Italian immigrants who suffered horrendous discrimination for years in America. Or perhaps you were unaware.

[taoofmichael]

Glenn Beck is playing White working class folks, against Black and Latino working class folks.

Its the old Super-wealthy Corporate Goldman Sachs Wall Street Crime Syndicate game, to keep workers divided against each other, hating their fellow workers. BUT I DONT THINK PEOPLE WILL FALL FOR IT ANY MORE.

If workers voted together, against the true enemy -- The Super-wealthy Corporate Goldman Sachs Wall Street Crime Syndicate -- WE COULD TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.

Glenn Beck is a white supremacist.

[Jayskrilla1232]

dude stop listening to greenday or what ever bullshit you're being force-fed. white people are discriminated against so are blacks, so is every race and ethnicity. HOW DUMB ARE YOU TO NOT UNDERSTAND IT

[taoofmichael]

Actually, white people ARE NOT DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. And in America, THEY NEVER HAVE BEEN.

If you are white, you have NO IDEA what it is to be discriminated against.

Apparently I am not as dumb as you are, to become a pawn in the Super-wealthy corporations' game of keeping working class people divided against each other.

Glenn Beck is a voice of the corporate super-wealthy.

[mistergarth]

Jayskrilla1232 -

Do you see that little button on your keyboard that says "caps lock"? Turn it OFF. Maybe someone will read your comment then.

[Jayskrilla1232]

you are so wrong its not even funny

[cronos225]

I love how Rush tries to pretend that he is upset Obama hasn't done anything yet while he is a member of the Republican party which is proving to be obstructionists right now.

[HomoCyborgZombie]

To insult these people is to beating a dead horse. ;/

[senatormi]

Hate radio at its finest. What is so sad that millions of people listen and eat this sht up.

[arionly]

All this is ridiculous. Racist who hates white people and alleged President, .....

He loved his Momma, Grandmother, and Grandfather, the "white people" who raised him and loved him. The "alleged" president was sworn in as the 44th President on 20 January 2009.

Why do we continue to muddy the waters with stuff that has no basis in fact. Stop continuing to flame the ashesl It is what it is, accept, and drive on.

God bless America and the 44th President of the United States of America.

[daddydon48]

Most people deem you a racist "Mr Beck"

[729Drew]

"Poor America" is right...the neocons are tearing apart this country from within, this country is losing it's collective mind. And the conservative brainwashing is working which is all kinds of sad/scary

[RtFusion]

The words "racist", "racism", and related have lost their meaning. Good job right wingers and mutli-cultural apologists. (I am referring to Pat Condell, check him out)

[DarkManS32]

Glen Beck has been saying for years now that if "something happened to him" his followers would know "why".

---

He's pushing the issue and saying more insane and inane comments in hopes that someone above him will tell him to shut up... and then he'll be become a clairvoyant to his followers.

It's disgusting. Why they let people like this have a job... I dont know.

[Kloxboy]

Truly fucking worthless people. They don't even spin anymore, they just LIE. And the projected hate coming from them is sooo obvious, I can't imagine what these slime-balls say behind closed doors.

[yormeey]

I totally agree with you! If they could directly be encouraging hatred in the public, one wonders what kind of venom they spout behind closed doors.

[jamer01]

Poor America

[cjfilmproductions]

you have to admit these guys are good at what they do. it's not that shocking any more that people buy their stories they use the same tactics that priests and politicians use with the way they phrase their speech patterns and emphasise certain words dropping the bait then a brief pauses to let you make your own conclusion then re-enforcing your conclusion with more rhetoric. these guys are good are good at what they do.........

[7jerryv7]

Alleged president?

[BeanieBasstard]

As a British guy, I've no problem with America, but your media sometimes broadcasts here, and its absolutely flat out scary and disgraceful.

[guillaumepirard]

i am starting to find all those morons seriously scary.

now even "community organizer" is a bad thing?!!!

anti-intellectualism is dragging us down to hell.

[oli33]

Thank you so much for putting on this Glen Beck clip.The only guy in the media who speaks the truth. He is waking America up. Well those that want to know the truth anyway.

[filorps]

ROTFL

[lookslikepat]

Talk about Alternate Reality...

...

"What did the racist say to the black man?" = "No, YOU'RE the Racist!"

-Ha ha, he thinks, my plan is me-proof, I mean foolproof, no one will call ME the racist now! Hohohohoho... Excellent.

[p00lman]

Glenn Beck seems to love throwing out the word "racist." I feel like he's been waiting for the opportunity for so long now. Of course, that's not the real word he really wants to call Obama.

[turtleblues66]

glen beck is losing his mind right on national tv - shouldn't his family do some sort of intervention thing? dobbs, limbaugh and those others are stirring up so much hate and appear to be reaching out to the nutjob extremists out there and asking them to consider the unthinkable....very creepy indeed

[revjimbob]

"glen beck is losing his mind right on national tv "

Ever see the film 'Network'? Beck has based his career on the Peter Finch character: "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this any more!"

[taoofmichael]

Right on revjim. That movie was so prophetic. It predicted the hate-mongering TV commentators, driven by ratings. It predicted reality TV, and the American obsession with violence.

A brilliant, and prophetic movie.

You want another one, almost as good? Check out Bob Roberts (written, directed and starring Tim Robbins.) See my favorites for clips. Funny as hell. And right on the money with these folksy Glenn Beck types.

[revjimbob]

Yes, I remember Bob Roberts. Beck obviously does too.

[revjimbob]

'alleged president'

George W Bush became president after an extremely dodgy election count. Liberals mostly accepted him and got on with it. These right wing nutjobs cannot accept that they lost and a black man is their president, so they act like the spoiled brats they are.

[p00lman]

That's really the sad thing.

I mean, all this shit, "racism," "birth certificate," "czars," "socialism," these labels and accusations have nothing to do with their real intentions. They just can't stand him and the fact that people like him.

[revjimbob]

I live in the UK, and from over here all this shit is bizarre and disturbing.

The American right are scary fuckers.

[p00lman]

You better take back that understatement right now!

[justonefirefly1]

Not all americans are like those - just the rich and their butt kissing lackies. They are the ones who have time to screech on and on about the good old days and having lyng bush and cheating cheney in office - cheney's company haliburt the one that we are paying all our taxes to - charges out soldiers in Iraq 7.50 for a can of coke. bush + cheney family scary fuckers!

[electango]

You British boobs are being overrun by Pakistani jihadis and you have the nerve to even comment on what's happening in America!

[revjimbob]

I have the right to comment on whatever I want, kkk-boy - at least i am better informed on your country than you seem to be on mine. Pakistani jihadis indeed! Don't believe everything you hear on Fox news, or at your torchlight rallies.

[electango]

Without patriotic Americans, you right now would be a colony of Nazi Germany. Unless your men start getting your women pregnant once in a while, soon you'll be a colony of Pakistan. And you'll come crying again to us kkk-boys to save your asses again!

[revjimbob]

Yes, patriotic Americans helped us fight nazis like you.

Go watch Fox and don't ask questions.

[electango]

Actually, you followers of Neville Chamberlain got a lot of Americans killed in WWII due to your stupidity. And apparently WWII taught you nothing.

[revjimbob]

Neville Chamberlain? Neville Fucking Chamberlain?

I was born in 1960 - he died in 1940.

Do you want to hold me to account for the fucking Boer war as well?

BTW - there were as many Americans who wanted to appease Hitler as there were British - we had been fighting the fuckers for years before you were forced into it by the attack on Peral Harbor. United States of Amnesia.

[voyeurdug]

What corporations run ads on these hate-monger's shows? Bet I can do without whatever they're selling.

[goldgrif]

so Limbaugh just admitted Obama is working

[nelsonrc]

I love these guys. They are dividing conservatives and empowering liberals. Good job, douchebags!

[Didit4daLULZ]

Glenn Beck talks about others having race issues... how ironic.

[OrbisFerrum]

Well obviously white people are a minority that must be protected from the big bad black president from discriminatory policies he both never advocated for nor ever actually implemented himself.

I thought that was obvious...

:p

[electango]

Right. White people should be allowed to be victimized by racism. In fact, it cannot be considered racism to discriminate in any way against white people.

[OrbisFerrum]

reread my comment if you have trouble but I'm not going to take time to tear down a strawman.

[taoofmichael]

Correct, electango. "discrimination against white people," is the equivalent of making fun of a beautiful skinny model. She has all the advantages. What does she have to complain about? As far as your Italian and Irish argument -- yes, of course there are poor whites in America. And that is a real problem. But "racism?"

Were poor Irish ever SOLD ON BLOCKS AS ANIMALS, families separated, language and culture systematically erased, FORBIDDEN ACCESS TO COURTS, raped and murdered with impunity...

[electango]

Because, in America, white people experience NO FORM OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, EVER. And they NEVER have.

You said the above and I was responding to this statement. Italians and Irish immigrants were victims of anti Catholic bigotry throughout the 19th century including job and housing discrimination. They were not enslaved, but the Irish suffered from a British caused famine in Ireland and were forced to leave their homeland or starve. Face it, you're OK with racism against whites.

[taoofmichael]

Catholicism is a RELIGION, not a RACE. Skin color played no part in the oppression you describe. I never said that poor whites have neveer been oppressed. I said white people experince no form of RACIAL discrimination. Of course, this is all about you trying to show that the oppression Black people, and Native Americans and Asians, experienced is IN SOME WAY COMPARABLE to the hardships that Irish and Italians experienced.

A completely different category. Irish were considered human, yes?

[electango]

Actually, the Irish were given a choice. They could starve to death and many did. Or they could have left for America and many did. Now, that may not be RACIAL discrimination, but I'm sure the Irish Catholics who were being ETHNICALLY CLEANSED by the British were relieved that they were not being RACIALLY CLEANSED. Because being ETHNICALLY CLEANSED is a piece of cake compared to being RACIALLY CLEANSED. Dude, you're so obsessed with race you can't even see oppression.

[92mmmm]

Let me tell you what "racism" is.

It is when your children are sold, even if you are their white father, and that is PERFECTLY OKAY WITH EVERYONE IN POWER -- the super-wealthy, the Senate, The House, the executive, the Supreme Court, all police, churches, EVERYONE.

You could shoot a person of color in the street, in front of witnesses, and never be prosecuted.

White supremacy, and white supremacist institutions are the ONLY kind of racism THAT HAS EVER BEEN A PROBLEM IN AMERICA!!

[electango]

That is totally incorrect. Racism itself is color blind. If a black businessman decides to only hire blacks and refuses to hire hispanics just based upon the ethnicity of hispanics, that is racism and whites aren't even involved. Now, the racism of that black businessman may not be a problem for you, but for the hispanics who need jobs and can't get jobs when that black businessman has jobs available--that racism IS A BIG PROBLEM IN AMERICA!!!

[taoofmichael]

Do you REALLY think that what you described (Blacks being discriminated against by "Hispanics?") is a big problem IN AMERICA? Insofar as many Hispanics identify as whites, and fall into white supremacist attitudes, that might be a problem. But not a REALLY BIG one.

And, i said, white supremacy is THE ONLY KIND OF RACISM THAT HAS EVER BEEN A PROBLEM IN AMERICA. So your story about England is sad, and true, but irrelevant to this debate.

In America, white supremacy is institutionalized.

[electango]

There are huge problems between hispanics and blacks in America. These must be classified as problems in race relations. And for your information, hispanics do not identify themselves as whites. That's why they call themselves hispanic. I realize these problems don't fall into your particular obsession Whitey, but that doesn't mean they are not problems. I know you're looking for a one size fits all approach which will simplify your world, but the world's more complicated than that.

[taoofmichael]

Nope. It is quite simple.

White supremacist institutions, laws, courts, police, television and radio, which ENFORCE white supremacist privileges, are QUITE SIMPLY the problem.

Actually, "Hispanics" DO OFTEN IDENTIFY with their light-skinned European brothers. Darker skinned (Indios, who more often refer to themselves as Latinos, rather than Hispanics from Spain) know VERY WELL what WHITE SUPREMACY IS ALL ABOUT.

Latin America ALSO HAS A BAD WHITE SUPREMACY PROBLEM. Same as in the US.

[taoofmichael]

As I have explained to you before -- ITS ALL ABOUT THE SUPER-RICH Goldman Sachs Wall Street Crime Syndicate -- DIVIDING AND CONQUERING. They drive wedges between working class Blacks, Latinos, Whites and Asians -- BECAUSE IF THESE GROUPS EVER GOT TOGETHER AND VOTED TOGETHER there would NEVER be another Republican elected to office.

And yes, with all their faults, Democrats are better for the working class than Republicans.

[electango]

In the last election, the super rich supported the Democratic Party across the board. And Obama thanked them for their support by continuing Bush's pro Wall Street anti Main Street domestic policy and his endless wars foreign policy. And even though the Democrats control Congress and the White House, the Bush policies remain firmly in place.  And the working class now is much worse off under Obama than they were under Bush. Obviously, it's time more Republicans were elected to office.

[taoofmichael]

Wait wait wait.

You CONDEMN OBAMA for keeping Bush's (a Republican) policies in place. You say that is BAD.

Then you say the working class is worse off under Obama (in office six months.) Which is, of course a statement that is HIGHLY DEBATABLE.

And your answer is -- put Republicans back in control? You are very confused. What is better? Bush lite, or the REAL BUSH?

[electango]

It is not debatable at all. Unemployment has risen under Obama to levels unseen since Reagan. Unemployment continues to rise as do housing foreclosures and bankruptcies. No end is in sight to the Obama recession. The answer for the American people is a stronger political opposition and that means more Republicans less Democrats in office. Somebody needs to get Americans back to work. It sure ain't Obama.

[taoofmichael]

You blame the current unemployment rate on Obama? You call it the Obama recession. Goldman Sach's Henry Paulson (a Bush appointee) oversaw the worst financial scam in history, and you blame it on Obama?

You must be a racist. There is no other explanation for your hysterical opinions.

That pretty much says it all.

[electango]

Obama adopted Bush's policies and they became Obama's policies. His treasury sec'y's policies were adopted by Obama's Goldman Sach's Treasury Sec'y. So the Bush unemployment became Obama's unemployment. Bush's financial scam became Obama's financial scam. But you love Obama's financial scam and hated Bush's financial scam. You must be a racist.

[taoofmichael]

No. I hate Bush's financial scam, and I think what Obama is doing is helping a little. I think he should NOT have compromised with Republicans on the stimulus, giving them more tax cuts (which are not effective stimulus) and instead, do more direct spending into the economy (which is effective stimulus.)

SO Republicans are BAD again? Cause you just said they were GOOD. Jeez dude, make up your mind.

Only white supremacy is racism in America. We covered that already.

[electango]

I see. So your answer is to put the same people who run the DMV in charge of the entire economy. That way they can do the same fantastic job they do at the DMV everywhere else. Man, you're exhibit A why we need an effective political opposition in America. We now have a one party state. It isn't working. The economy is going down the drain. Obama is making it much worse. Fortunately the American people are smarter than you think they are and they'll prove it in 2010.

[taoofmichael]

I just went to the DMV, and I got in and out in under an hour, with no appointment. The people were very nice. And they have never lost any of my records, or overcharged me, or gotten anything wrong. A very efficient bunch!!!

The economy is going down the drain, because we had a Republican executive, House and Senate from 2000 to 2006 (did you notice that?) and good 'ol boy Bush, who never saw a corporation he didnt want to give money to, until 2008 (six months ago.)

[electango]

Most people don't want the bureaucrats of the DMV running even the DMV. They don't think government bureaucracy with it's $300 toilet seats is the answer. They know a one party state with economic central planning failed in Russia and China and they see no reason to implement it in America. They want government out of the economy so people can start working again.

[taoofmichael]

They want the government out of the economy, so Goldman Sachs can rape the American people unchallenged. Isnt that what you meant?

Who do you want to provide all the services we all want, and need done? Robots?

I am for democratic socialism, FDR governance with the working class in mind. Like Sweden, Denmark, Norway, UK, France, Germany, Canada, Japan, THE REST OF THE MODERN WORLD!!

Fuck off with your Russia/China strawman. You KNOW that is not what I am talking about. Neither is Obama.

[electango]

You accuse Goldman Sachs of wanting to rape the American economy and me of wanting this to happen as well. But Obama appointed a host of Goldman Sachs alumni to positions of power in his administration so they can do the work of Goldman Sachs in the government. And Obama was a major recipient of Goldman Sachs campaign contributions in 2008. You yourself are a huge Obama supporter. Maybe you really haven't thought this thing through all the way?

[taoofmichael]

Oh no. I am aware of the continuing scourge of Goldman Sachs. Geitner never worked for them, by the way. And he doesnt get along with Summers that well. I see that as a good sign.

So OUR JOB, since we ARE AWARE of this problem is to PRESSURE OBAMA TO DO THE RIGHT THING -- tax the shit out of them, break them up so there are no more "too big to fails," eliminate tax breaks for off-shore headquarters, and, DID I SAY TAX THE SHIT OUT OF THEM, and maybe get SOME of our money back?

[electango]

Obama is a politician with a great public relations gift. He is very very smooth. But behind the mask is the same group that backed Bush. Obama works for Wall Street, the Saudis and the same multinational corporations which bankrolled Bush. And Obama is so smooth he's got people like you thinking he's working for you. Quit buying the hype.

[pabobfin]

You've been watching FOX too much (definition one second = too much) and are quoting "some people" without a source. Try reading some newspapers, like the CSM, WSJ, NYT, WP and make up your own mind. Don't fall for that pablum that Glenn Beck, O'Really, and Limburger dish out.

[taoofmichael]

"Most people" would love to see ALL our government institutions run as efficiently as the government runs the DMV, DOT, DOJ, etc etc.

NOBODY IS FALLING FOR YOUR HORSESHIT RONALD REAGAN TALKING POINTS ANY MORE. 'The government is the problem." (Nope, Goldman Sachs is the problem.) "Scary scary socialized medicine..." (explain again why "socialism" is bad again, because MOST VOTERS, when they read the actual policy, THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.)

Palin and Cheney are OVER. Thank God!!

[electango]

I'm not sure which planet you're living on. Most people hate the DMV. And Obama's health care reform is opposed by most Americans because it's smoke and mirrors, it won't work and it won't provide needed reforms. For instance, Obama received huge campaign contributions from trial lawyers who are a driving force behind escalating health care costs (malpractice insurance costs). Do you really think Obama is going to put a leash on malpractice lawsuits? Of course not.

[taoofmichael]

Republicans have NEVER LIKED OBAMA, right? So they have always polled disapprove, right?

So the newer polls, that show Obama's disapprovals higher, are reflecting THAT HE IS LOSING HIS BASE, THE LEFT -- because they are DISGUSTED THAT HE IS COMPROMISING WITH REPUBLICANS and taking the public option off the table.

His disapprovals are growing WITH THE LEFT. They want MORE SOCIALISM!!

The right NEVER approved of Obama. Fuck them. They never will support ANYTHING HE DOES -- even tax cuts!!

[electango]

Obama's polling numbers are going down because of increasing joblessness. Period. End of Story. People who are jobless disapprove and people with jobs disapprove because they think Obama's policies may result in them losing their jobs. Obama needs to channel Bill Clinton entirely. His focus needs to change to thinking one thing and one thing only--jobs, jobs, jobs. He needs to get America working again by any means necessary. Up to now, he isn't getting it.

[taoofmichael]

Nope. By looking at the more detailed questions in the polls, it is easy to determine what is causing the loss of confidence. It is his COMPROMISING WITH REPUBLICANS on health care that is HURTING his approval rate. That is a FACT, easily verifiable.

So now Obama needs to channel Clinton. You know that Larry Summers was a Clintonite, right? But I agree. Clinto was good on the economy. Obama has a lot of Clinton's people working on THIS HUGE STEAMING PILE OF SHIT THAT BUSH LEFT US.

[electango]

Obama is bombing in the polls because he's a failure as President. Most people look at the unemployment rate under Obama's watch and give him a big thumbs down. Thanks to Obama's mismanagement, unemployment hangs over the head of the average worker like the blade of the guillotine. Obama and Bill Clinton hate each other. Given that Obama should be hiring Clinton as a consultant to help him get America working again, his failure to do so is hard to understand. Even Bush was not that stupid.

[taoofmichael]

I gotta go. Doesnt look like we can come to much agreement on what to do about our problems. Oh well, we tried.

At least we both agree that the true enemy is Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, AiG, etc.

[taoofmichael]

Trial lawyers ARE NOT a "driving force" behind escalating health care costs. Thats a Reagan talking point again. "Socialized" medicine would eliminate the need for malpractice insurance completely. But that is only a small part of the cost.

I guess you think we should put a private corporation (like KBR, Halliburton, or Blackwater,) in charge of running the DMV?

Great!

Then we could pay ten times as much for REAL incompetence. Maybe we could get electricuted when they take our pictures!!

[electango]

If trial lawyers aren't a driving force behind escalating health care costs, why are malpractice insurance rates for doctors so expensive?

If Obama is going to eliminate the need for malpractice insurance, why did the trial lawyers support him and fund his campaign?

Regarding the DMV, it's a necessary agency and it's part of law enforcement.  However, that doesn't mean it is the model for health care. Unless you think an impersonal bureaucracy is what health care needs more of.

[taoofmichael]

There you go with that "one party state" thing again.

See, the Republicans did such a bad job, that your ilk tries to drag the Democrats into it, and pretend we had something to do with the HORRIBLE GOVERNANCE OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

Dude. Nobody is going to fall for that but a Sarah Palin lover, or a retard that still thinks Cheney is telling the truth, or a Gelnn Beck watcher. And those ignoranct hicks are dying off AND NOT BEING REPLACED.

New Two Party System -- Democrats and Greens

[electango]

The economy is crashing under a Democratic White House and a Democratic Congress including a veto proof US Senate Democratic majority. Our incompetent President is trying to reform health care & police procedures while simultaneously solving numerous Middle East problems and US unemployment and housing problems. Instead he should pretend he's Bill Clinton and focus solely on getting America back to work. That won't be done with Soviet style Central Planning. So much for the Green Party.

[taoofmichael]

So your objection to Obama is that he is trying to do TOO MUCH? Okay, maybe. But I can live with that criticism.

Some things can be accomplished MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY with a huge collective pool of resources. Some of these are: health care, education, transportation, telecommunication, energy production and distribution, and defense (including weapons manufacturing.)

WE THE PEOPLE own all the infrastructure anyway (we paid for it.) So why shouldnt we get the profits?

[taoofmichael]

Face it. You are just a Republican. You love Reagan and Bush's policies.

So lets debate that, and quit trying to hide behind "both parties are the same." If both parties were the same, you would like Obama.

[SubmarinerAndroid]

Glenn Beck thinks he knows something about anything...how absurd.