air intake would be a problem as others have noted, along with the torque of the motor either throwing the nose up or down depending on how its mounted and throttle position , interested to know how it turned out . any updates?
Yeah, having the intake under the right wing would disrupt airflow and would create low pressure under the wing killing the lift from the low pressure air flow over the wing.
You could have the intake facing fowards, but then you would have a normal ducted fan engine.
@Waltham1892 what?... the slowest part of moving fluid over a wing is the bottom portion, hence low pressure... so if he had created intakes that fed the openings of the blower it would work. Except for the fact that it would be too damn heavy
An example of know just enough to be detrimental. The idea has been done, they're called the turbine and jet engines. A leaf blower won't work, there's not a high enough power to weight ratio. If it could work, then leaf blowers wouldn't be stationary while blowing. They would fly out of your hand.
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Hey! good idea, but your blower fan is backwards in this depiction. To get the maximum amount of thrust, the fan should be flipped around. The centrifugal force of the air being pushed through the blower will make it accelerate when inverted.
Good idea bud, but you really need to consider the centrifugal force when trying to turn.
While you have your blower going hold it out in front of you and rotate it left or right quickly, then get someone to turn it on and off quickly while doing the same thing. You will be surprised how much it kicks....Keep going though I love the idea.
awesome idea too bad it wont work like that how ever i have the answer while all the people saying it will roll over do to the intake are correct make it as a twin engine to even it out and double the power perfection :D would love to see it fly its a cool idea man
The torque that you refer to would act along the rotational axis (Force cross Distance ex. ai x b j = ck), and thus would pull the 'plane' to one side or the other. Not nose up or down.
Also, wings operate on the principle of differential pressure, therefore whichever side you have the intake of the blower on... well that side is gonna drop like a rock.
Impellers are also inherently less efficient than propellers and efficiency is the single most important design criteria for flight
2 problems I see here. First the air intake will be from the side. If this design were to fly the low pressure created by the suction of the rotating blades would pull the plane towards one side. Much like a normal rudder would. You would need a counter balancing fan sucking from the other side too. Second problem there will be a lot of drag with the fans sucking from the side. You would want an air intake the gides the flow from the forward direction of the plane to the intake.
And how are you going to power it? A long extension cord? Do they make battery powered leaf blowers? What is the weight of battery power compared to thrust?
especially with the intake on the side like that...and even if you did find a way to make it work, it'd take way way way too much power to get airborn / be too loud etc
I have an idea that might make things work... Take the blower, and add to it another one, that is oriented entirely oppositely (it might have to be a custom-built job) now turn the whole thing on its side (both are pointed backwards, both motors are pointing up, but both sets of blower blades are rotating in different directions)
I don't know if that would work any better, or if it would just add extra weight to the system, but I'd expect better thrust/stability
One of the key reasons propellers work so well is their power to weight ratio. Also when the propeller pulls are through it, it then blows the air over the wings, give more lift to the aircraft. So the amount of power required to make an aircraft like this work, would be similar to a small jet engine, and it also depends on the aircraft's wing span and weight.
Interesting idea, but the intake being at the side and under the wing will deplete the higher pressure zone under the wing, reducing life by some degree.
You could add an intake shroud that ensure that air is taken in at the front of the aircraft to do two things -- 1. eliminate any effects of the intake on lift, and 2. gain whatever efficiency you can by taking in high pressure air at the front of the aircraft. This will increase net blower pressure and reduce overall drag.
everyone is getting all technical overlooking one simple thing. power supply .batteries itll be to heavy. and i doubt it will fly when attached to a cord either.
Good idea.Why dont you make a blower at both ends and force air at a bit downward angle?.That may lift the aircraft upwards(VTOL), and by changing the direction of the thrust flow, you can climb, decent, or turn.
You will need to make the tail surfaces bigger and / or further rearward. The reason being with the large disc blower at the front you will need much more surface area at the back to balance out the effect. Otherwise it's like taking an arrow and sticking a larger surface area on the head than the tail fin and expecting it to fly straight.
You know you could export your sketchup model, import it into x-plane, assign all the real world data about torque, horsepower, weight, wingspan, etc and see if it will actually fly. Test your models first before deciding on a design. Rutan, I know, used to use x-plane for this and it's an exceptional modeling tool as well as a decent flight sim.
Sweet idea....but.....I assume the intake is off the side wich would cause a problem in flight.....and the gyroscopic forces created by the rotating propeller would never let it turn in flight.
Where have i seen this? oh yes, on fighter jets with jet thrusters that use flame to propel the planes instead of air. Haha you are starting at step 1 of where the engineers started. :P
one thing, the weight would also bring the large circle down along with the rotation. another thing to consider.... would be cool to make this into a working rc plane. haha
This type of plane propulsion was available as a plan with model and all in 1951. I have a copy of the plane wich was named the blowbug. It was powered by a small glow engine. Flew nice and made a funny sound. It had the airopening on the top in the "canopy".
cool! I've seen a hovercraft made out of a blower...but an airplane.....i think you'll need a very strong motor to get lift out of that which usually comes with a lot of weight...
wheres the power source? Petrol electric? I would put an elbow on the inlet so it sucks air forwards, or it will fly diagonal. Better still have two running a common motor in a central fuselage. Get a edge trimmer petrol motor to power it. Nice idea.
Ah, but how about a twin-blower, counter rotating model... flip the blowers on their sides, intake up for added suction/lift... Or flip that arrangement over, reverse the fans, and make a hovercraft. :)
that is briliant! imagine if you could get it to work thats 1. step 2 make it work on electricyety step 3 make it into a giant scale this could be enviormentaly briliant. im impressed.
Nice Mark! I think it would work real good if you had two - mouted horizontally. (Think wings!) Face the intakes to the top of each wing and then you would take advantage of the low perssure as potential lift (and help balance the plane out.)
When I finish the "Goose Project" I'll check in again to see if you've tried to build this. If not, hmmmmm, maybe next for me? (I think the idea has merit!!)
I 'm thinking that the air intake side will have an area of low pressure at the intake creating a pull to that side of the plane. Solution: a duct pointed forward to draw air from the direction you want the plane to go.
air intake would be a problem as others have noted, along with the torque of the motor either throwing the nose up or down depending on how its mounted and throttle position , interested to know how it turned out . any updates?
urgthrash 2 weeks ago
You suck the air under the wings that would never work, can't believe you didn't notice that
DieRedo 3 weeks ago
@DieRedo
Yeah, having the intake under the right wing would disrupt airflow and would create low pressure under the wing killing the lift from the low pressure air flow over the wing.
You could have the intake facing fowards, but then you would have a normal ducted fan engine.
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@Waltham1892 what?... the slowest part of moving fluid over a wing is the bottom portion, hence low pressure... so if he had created intakes that fed the openings of the blower it would work. Except for the fact that it would be too damn heavy
GreenAce92 2 weeks ago
An example of know just enough to be detrimental. The idea has been done, they're called the turbine and jet engines. A leaf blower won't work, there's not a high enough power to weight ratio. If it could work, then leaf blowers wouldn't be stationary while blowing. They would fly out of your hand.
xcyoteex 3 weeks ago
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willamricard 1 month ago
Hey! good idea, but your blower fan is backwards in this depiction. To get the maximum amount of thrust, the fan should be flipped around. The centrifugal force of the air being pushed through the blower will make it accelerate when inverted.
RonALampman 1 month ago
lol this was my idea in grade school for science fair.....teacher siad told me it was cute....
maxmustafaful 1 month ago
Good idea bud, but you really need to consider the centrifugal force when trying to turn.
While you have your blower going hold it out in front of you and rotate it left or right quickly, then get someone to turn it on and off quickly while doing the same thing. You will be surprised how much it kicks....Keep going though I love the idea.
bigdodgeaus 1 month ago
where will you get the very long drop cord?
692ran 1 month ago
awesome idea too bad it wont work like that how ever i have the answer while all the people saying it will roll over do to the intake are correct make it as a twin engine to even it out and double the power perfection :D would love to see it fly its a cool idea man
just1ofgod 1 month ago
the rules of aerodynamics man, what were you thinkin
anthnchav9 1 month ago
cool idea but your fins are reversed on the scetchup.
Boot2yourHead 2 months ago
What about power and weight ?
MrJohn1966elliott 2 months ago
So basically it's a car turbo with wings. Cool idea though. I like it. :)
goodcat1982 2 months ago
I wonder what will happen with the gyroscopic mass. What about two thin blowers counter rotating in the same housing.
watzupdawg 3 months ago
I wonder what will happen with the gyroscopic mass.
watzupdawg 3 months ago
LETS SEE THE FUCKER FLY THEN YA CUNT !
MarquisofHumber 4 months ago
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Wow you're obnoxious. Thanks so much for posting that.
afivey 3 months ago
The 1st thing that comes to mind when seeing this would be to strap a leaf blower onto a small r/c boat lol
bigchad007 5 months ago
The sucking form one side won't work , just constructive critisizim
ddemko100 5 months ago
I think as long as it sucks air from both sides it should probably fly. It might need a longer tail rudder.
enticed2zeitgeist 6 months ago
bizarre
bhp123654 6 months ago
you need to Chang the sucking hole to another way so when it sucks it doesn't suck the sucking will pull it to a side
dylan100022 9 months ago
Been done. Search for "rdrc flying leaf blower" here on YouTube.
toprudder1 9 months ago
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The torque that you refer to would act along the rotational axis (Force cross Distance ex. ai x b j = ck), and thus would pull the 'plane' to one side or the other. Not nose up or down.
Also, wings operate on the principle of differential pressure, therefore whichever side you have the intake of the blower on... well that side is gonna drop like a rock.
Impellers are also inherently less efficient than propellers and efficiency is the single most important design criteria for flight
bsthomps08 10 months ago
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bsthomps08 10 months ago
I have one
tylaau 10 months ago
I said sit
soccerfighter13 10 months ago
Sorry I ment to say sit
soccerfighter13 10 months ago
2 problems I see here. First the air intake will be from the side. If this design were to fly the low pressure created by the suction of the rotating blades would pull the plane towards one side. Much like a normal rudder would. You would need a counter balancing fan sucking from the other side too. Second problem there will be a lot of drag with the fans sucking from the side. You would want an air intake the gides the flow from the forward direction of the plane to the intake.
narlzp 1 year ago 14
@narlzp what about the centrifugal force of the fan?
bait28 2 months ago
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@narlzp Yeah like make intakes that feed the blower intake.
Still I don't think you'd get enough thrust for the weight of the blower itself.
GreenAce92 2 weeks ago
Where's passengers sit
soccerfighter13 1 year ago
@soccerfighter13 where's passengers shit?
thermosinthesis 11 months ago
I saw one fucker here on Youtube fly one, I think it's; (Flying a Toro electric leaf blower )
icu123abc 1 year ago
And how are you going to power it? A long extension cord? Do they make battery powered leaf blowers? What is the weight of battery power compared to thrust?
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
nice work! thanks.
palmtree44444 1 year ago
Sweet, What size/speed brushless motor would you use for this?
omega3677 1 year ago
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omega3677 1 year ago
it was already done by a man in Raleigh, NC. It actually flew very well by the video i saw on the news!
airlinerdude12 1 year ago
LOL yeah that'll never work
especially with the intake on the side like that...and even if you did find a way to make it work, it'd take way way way too much power to get airborn / be too loud etc
fruitflyproductions 1 year ago
i think none will work.
ableite 1 year ago
I have an idea that might make things work... Take the blower, and add to it another one, that is oriented entirely oppositely (it might have to be a custom-built job) now turn the whole thing on its side (both are pointed backwards, both motors are pointing up, but both sets of blower blades are rotating in different directions)
I don't know if that would work any better, or if it would just add extra weight to the system, but I'd expect better thrust/stability
DmitriKoslov 1 year ago
no it wont work cause all that air sucking in from the side will pull it to that side
offspringfanman96 1 year ago
awesome ! nice post
ladangelo202 1 year ago
cut out scene from
the adventures of baron munchausen
I LOVE IT!!!
3hourses 1 year ago
One of the key reasons propellers work so well is their power to weight ratio. Also when the propeller pulls are through it, it then blows the air over the wings, give more lift to the aircraft. So the amount of power required to make an aircraft like this work, would be similar to a small jet engine, and it also depends on the aircraft's wing span and weight.
lordhazzard 1 year ago
Interesting idea, but the intake being at the side and under the wing will deplete the higher pressure zone under the wing, reducing life by some degree.
You could add an intake shroud that ensure that air is taken in at the front of the aircraft to do two things -- 1. eliminate any effects of the intake on lift, and 2. gain whatever efficiency you can by taking in high pressure air at the front of the aircraft. This will increase net blower pressure and reduce overall drag.
Good luck...
jfielek7 1 year ago
No, wait. You're going to power this with a jet turbine, right? The jet already blows back, so why bother with a squirrel cage?
SuperSmartAZ 1 year ago
Why not move the Intake to the Front,would be more efficient wouldn't it?
ramair1969 1 year ago
Any progress on this?
oisiaa 1 year ago
You are going to need better wings than what I can see here but I can imagine you know that already
Doromir 1 year ago
where is the video of this thing flying?
talktalktalktalktalk 1 year ago
Tweeker put the blower down LMAO
rootsxrocks 1 year ago
clever, but how exactly do you land that?
myhomeboy 1 year ago
everyone is getting all technical overlooking one simple thing. power supply .batteries itll be to heavy. and i doubt it will fly when attached to a cord either.
drsta84 1 year ago
@drsta84 they have power supplies/batteries with current RC planes...
nicanor76 1 year ago
@nicanor76 Yes, but the propulsion system is more efficient than this and also needs less power to operate.
drsta84 1 year ago
Good idea.Why dont you make a blower at both ends and force air at a bit downward angle?.That may lift the aircraft upwards(VTOL), and by changing the direction of the thrust flow, you can climb, decent, or turn.
uvawu 1 year ago
Looks great - but will it fly?
Pamberjack 1 year ago
You will need to make the tail surfaces bigger and / or further rearward. The reason being with the large disc blower at the front you will need much more surface area at the back to balance out the effect. Otherwise it's like taking an arrow and sticking a larger surface area on the head than the tail fin and expecting it to fly straight.
christophertelford 1 year ago
do you think the centrifugal forces of the propeller would effect the aircraft when it's turning?
gdykes 1 year ago
@gdykes yes greatly, could be benifitial though if planned for
superjboy 1 year ago
You know you could export your sketchup model, import it into x-plane, assign all the real world data about torque, horsepower, weight, wingspan, etc and see if it will actually fly. Test your models first before deciding on a design. Rutan, I know, used to use x-plane for this and it's an exceptional modeling tool as well as a decent flight sim.
pocketken 1 year ago
Sweet idea....but.....I assume the intake is off the side wich would cause a problem in flight.....and the gyroscopic forces created by the rotating propeller would never let it turn in flight.
Azoulaym 2 years ago
Hmmm.. It seems very possible and is an amazing idea :)
God, I love sketchup I just recently started using it, its great to show your ideas that would be hard to try without a 3d model.
Otherwise nobody will see what you see in your mind :)
pspheaven 2 years ago
Where have i seen this? oh yes, on fighter jets with jet thrusters that use flame to propel the planes instead of air. Haha you are starting at step 1 of where the engineers started. :P
one thing, the weight would also bring the large circle down along with the rotation. another thing to consider.... would be cool to make this into a working rc plane. haha
HeyBubba92 2 years ago
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Hey guys any progress reports ?
rallywrxwagon 2 years ago
Hi guys
This type of plane propulsion was available as a plan with model and all in 1951. I have a copy of the plane wich was named the blowbug. It was powered by a small glow engine. Flew nice and made a funny sound. It had the airopening on the top in the "canopy".
Good luck with your version.
Best regards
Tomas
TomasLeijon 2 years ago
cool! I've seen a hovercraft made out of a blower...but an airplane.....i think you'll need a very strong motor to get lift out of that which usually comes with a lot of weight...
5hem 2 years ago
wheres the power source? Petrol electric? I would put an elbow on the inlet so it sucks air forwards, or it will fly diagonal. Better still have two running a common motor in a central fuselage. Get a edge trimmer petrol motor to power it. Nice idea.
hyujkokozy 2 years ago
Ah, but how about a twin-blower, counter rotating model... flip the blowers on their sides, intake up for added suction/lift... Or flip that arrangement over, reverse the fans, and make a hovercraft. :)
vaalrus 2 years ago
ha! i'm a steal your idea and build and test fly before you!!!
totalanimelover89 2 years ago
that is briliant! imagine if you could get it to work thats 1. step 2 make it work on electricyety step 3 make it into a giant scale this could be enviormentaly briliant. im impressed.
MxAndRc4ever 3 years ago
Wow, thats an original idea. It will be interesting to see how this all works out. Good luck with your idea, I hope you get it flying!
rcFoamFighters 3 years ago
Nice Mark! I think it would work real good if you had two - mouted horizontally. (Think wings!) Face the intakes to the top of each wing and then you would take advantage of the low perssure as potential lift (and help balance the plane out.)
When I finish the "Goose Project" I'll check in again to see if you've tried to build this. If not, hmmmmm, maybe next for me? (I think the idea has merit!!)
Thanks for the videos! Keep 'em coming.
Ed
ed5k 3 years ago
cant wait to see it fly. nice sketchup work.
kapitanC 3 years ago
attackangle , good idea I will see how she flies this summer and I may have to go that route.
kram242 3 years ago 4
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@kram242 where is the video of this thing flying?
talktalktalktalktalk 1 year ago
@kram242 theres one thing wrong with this that i can see, the motor will add resistance on just one side, so it will pull to the left
RicerEater1978 1 year ago
I 'm thinking that the air intake side will have an area of low pressure at the intake creating a pull to that side of the plane. Solution: a duct pointed forward to draw air from the direction you want the plane to go.
attackangle 3 years ago
hmm pretty cool idea, but idk if it will work.
should be interesting
thanks for sharing
tab1257 3 years ago