@SaelPalani 's all good. And someone sends a death threat, report it. I've gotten my share of nasty mails. So far, I've just ignored 'em. But eventually the day may come where I have to take one seriously.
@TheTruePooka I'm hoping she'll report it. If it was me it was sent to, there would be no hesitation. I would most assuredly do anything I had to do. You don't fucking PM people death threats.
This guy can kiss my ass: I have never flagged anyone, nor do I have sock accounts to harass people, like the pro side does.
I never harassed anyone on the pro side: I got blocked after asking ONE question.
Thats why I blocked all of them, they are not interested in critical questions, if you ask one, they throw a fit, or start harassing people. Great attitude. :-(
I do not want to be associated with those narcissistic idiots.
They can throw fits at each other, for all I care. :-)
So...you block any and all who question your idea or just the ones who act like flaggers/trolls?
if the former, how can you ever claim to be rational if you have to silence opposing views. If the latter, how are they different then other trolls/asshats and better yet, why do you enact the fallacy of claiming all pro are trolls, when it is the troll-like aspect you mention as the bad quality. Basically, you have fault with pro who flag, and you claim as though all pro flag?
So then it was the second interpretation, that some are being trolls and you just feel to generalize that all are like that? Sorry, but that would be a logical fallacy. Or is it that you simply elect to not separate "troll" aspect from "pro", there in giving you ample wiggle room to be apologetic about how you aren't calling all pro trolls, just opting to not make any distinctions when talking about them, like how people do the same about islamic terrorists and moderates.
@dragonmatt5 Why are you all over panthera? She's a friend of mine and she's not done a damn thing wrong. She's not entered this hardly at all but watched this from the sidelines for the most part.
@SaelPalani I am not "all over" her. She made a statement that was logically wrong, and I called it. I don't care where she stands on the discussion, for against or a field away. She presented a logical fallacy, and I said as much and tried to explain why it is. Now you can view that as some sort of attack, though it is not, or as a bit of learning. Sorry if your friend took offense but I know I am far more respectful then she would get elsewhere over such statements.
@dragonmatt5 There's no logical fallacy involved when someone just states she blocks the group of people responsible for all this dishonest shit. Let me ask you something. Who can anyone on this side trust anymore when the other side makes up entire characters that act and talk like they're a feminist like us? If that side wants to stoop to THAT kind of dishonesty, what do you expect honest people do with that? THAT'S the problem.
@dragonmatt5 We don't know who is and is not a troll, especially when Divinity makes an account an impersonates someone she's not. Do you understand how that is the deal breaker and gets everyone to just disengage completely and not want ANY contact with anyone else except those they already know? Do you see this?
@panthera50 Also, since when is "they started it" ever a valid reason to do anything? Honestly it comes off as though you can't tell that the group is comprised of individuals, not one giant sentient force. You are all well and fine to block and ignore the ones actively trolling, but it seems you present it as though because some messed with you, you would rather judge them all as such then go through the hassle of case by case looking. So in the end, you still stagnate your part the discussion.
@panthera50 You're right, we can think whatever we want, however much like creationist, that doesn't discount a logical fallacy when it is plainly and obviously used. You can not make an assertion about the character of an entire group of people, especially one that can encompass such variety of people as the main defining trait being a pro stance on an issue. All it would take to make you wrong is 1 example contrary to the generalization. Your opinion is fine. Your method is wrong.
@dragonmatt5 She's entitled to block those who are actively taking part in the dishonest fuckwit tactics. Her method is to avoid all those who are lying assholes and since we know they have lots of sock accounts, what method would make sense? Yeah, the method that blocks ALL those involved. There's nothing wrong with her method. At least she's honest.
@SaelPalani yes, she is. And I said as much before. Wasn't the blocking of people who already fucked with her I had fault with, it was the generalization that all are like that. However the link does seem to suggest I misinterpreted the word of "group" as anyone who is pro and not just that certain click. Is this the case?
All them are pro, the assholes are pro, thus all pro are assholes? Sorry but that is where I see fault, when using a broad brush to paint everyone.
@SaelPalani If the group is just that small band of people who have a track record of being assholes, then it defaults back to the first stance I said: if they have been assholes, you are all wall and fine to ban them.
The way it is worded still reads to me as anyone who is pro and not just said segment of that group, but perhaps it is just the limits of explaining things in a box with 500 character limit...
@dragonmatt5 Who cares the way it was worded. Everyone who's been on YouTube for the last 4 months should get this. There is a group of people on YouTube who have done nothing but engage in calculated DISHONESTY and they have been blocked, not only by pan but by many other feminists. THEIR method is the fucked up one here. So feminists just BLOCKED them all because we don't know who is who anymore. Feminists didn't start that shit.
@panthera50 So it reverts back to "they started it"? Oddly, despite telling me the issues of the other vocal jerks on the other side, you really didn't answer if it was just the vocal of the click or anyone who sides with a pro stance.
Next, "I would like" to see rational discussion on the topic, not tribalism. Hence my initial post and subsequent attempts to explain my position and logic behind it. My issue is the same one you still haven't clarified: is "group" all or just that one click?
@dragonmatt5 There isn't going to be any dialogue due to the dishonest fucking shit that side has engaged in. See, that's why most of us feminists have DISENGAGED from them. They're dishonest and they think we can't see it. It's not about logic or method. It's about DISHONESTY coming from that entire group that makes it IMPOSSIBLE to take ANY of them seriously. And YES, they DID start it. Nobody on this side is retaliating. We're moving ON with OUR position and not engaging them.
There is more people on both sides of the issue then "you" and "them". And for the third time, would you please clarify your "them". It is my primary source of contention here, when the only trait of the "them" given is they are dishonest and they are pro and you toss it out like there are only the two factions in the world. So again, is the "them" the little click you have been having issues with or is it anyone who would side on the pro side?
@dragonmatt5 Them, meaning anyone on YouTube who is part of that group or who affiliates with it by perpetuating the lies. The PROBLEM now is that NOBODY on the feminist side of things KNOWS who is being honest and real and who isn't. And THAT is due to that group of people being dishonest. Ppl have just HAD to block a whole slew of people because of the shady tactics employed by that group. Do you understand that? So yes, if you're a good person, the group you associate with DOES affect you.
@SaelPalani Fine, you specified it is mostly that small crew. While I will say there is still associative blame present, given the "anyone who affiliated" bit, I do understand why you would be trepidatious. However I find it a little unsettling that the dishonest fuckery of that group finally did what it seemed to want from the start; get you lot to withdraw from the fight.
And this paranoia can be used, straw manned and lead to even more intellectual decay in the discussion on the subject.
@S 2 I am aware that trust issues would have to arise after such an incident, but I suppose I simply figured one could maintain less formal ties and more casual friendships while still arguing the subject. I should have noticed you tend to get closer then just internet comrade-at-arms.
However I still feel this seclusion will only stagnate the debate. But I guess you're between a rock and a hard place, and emotionally drained is not the best time to be lectured on debate etiquette. I am sorry.
@drag 2. WHY? Because that group does not uphold honesty. So if you're affiliated with them in ANY way, most feminists NOW will look upon you with suspicion. This is why ALL the dishonest shit needs to be called out and the socks and the bullshit trolling needs to be called out. Nobody can separate who is who precisely because of the DISHONEST fuckery of that group. How much clearer do I have to be to get this point across?
The retaliation I refer to is the blocking of people because some people on pro side blocked you. But again this is a moot point if your "them" is just the small vocal minority you have been dealing with and not the entirety of those who call themselves pro.
Finally, while justified to ignore Div's crew, I have to ask what resolution or new ideas could you hope to find if you remove yourself entirely from discussion and opt to just use the echo chamber that is your close friends?
@panthera50 Finally, I figured this was something obvious, but retaliating in kind only shows you are willing to go to their level. I am not talking about their childish and high school antics, but your reply to it. Hell the only reason I bother posting at all is because this click seems capable of arguing rationally and I figure you lot are worth taking the time to go "no, you made an error in logic here" in hopes you'll better your arguments. My complaints are usually on method not stance.
@dragonmatt5 There's nothing wrong with her method. There is a group of dishonest people who have engaged in these METHODS, since you like that word, for MONTHS. Therefore, we disengage from them and BLOCK them. We DON'T want dealings with them anymore. Why is this so difficult for you to understand. It's THEIR METHODS that's gotten us to not take ANY of them seriously. All we've done is present our position and pointed out their dishonest tactics. PERIOD.
I did not say you replied nor harassed anyone. Just because I call similarity between blocking does not mean I call similarity between all other aspects. Just the same I can say 2 people have same color hair without having to say it means they have same eye color as well. You assume and extrapolate my argument needlessly. So if you would kindly stop attempting to tell me my argument so you can present this farce of it that you precede to defend yourself against.
@dragonmatt5 Maybe you haven't seen this video watch?v=iv9Q7-TTXc0
They are ALL covering for her, except ONE person: Vadimcream. Panthera just wants to avoid all this bullshit. Do you know who invented the 'camp' idea? It wasn't the feminist 'camp'. It was the assholes on that side of things. The problem is we can't trust ANYONE new anymore because of their dishonest tactics. Last time I checked, most of our group does NOT WANT discussion with dishonest GROUPS of people.
just as much negativity. yeah right. that's why i am curious blue is going around still harassing "antis" and generally being a dickhead cause he's 'good people." gag.
@Zaimren Here's what I think. I think it's incredibly hard for him to admit some things about the side he supports. However, I think it's just going to be a matter of time until he realizes what juvenile asshats he's really dealing with. I give him credit for speaking clearly about what we all know is the truth about Divinity and the games she and her followers play. I just have this feeling with time he's going to see who is who here. Nobody has said a word on his video and I'm sure privately
@SaelPalani I saw his video and for the most part, it was good and honest. The last part about her inspiring him made me wanna barf but whateva. I'd go back and respond more to xxxild but I think I was banned from that comment section, or at least she implied that. I left Mr. Cream a comment, it might have been a tad snarky. :)
@Zai he's taking a lot of shit. I've seen comments by him that I've scratched my head over but I think it's just going to take a bit more time for him to understand that he's dealing with the most dishonest sharks, irregardless if he shares a similar position. It IS Divinity's fault and the fault of those who cover for her. Responsibility belongs to her and her cronies. Just be content with the knowledge that NONE of us have stooped to their level.
"I kinda think this letter is a cop out from this guy. Div is good people after all she's done? What a load of shit."
I can see why you'd say that, Z and you may have a good case. The truth is I think a lot of people abandon civility, common sense and right + wrong when they are blinded by a desire to strike at their opposition at any cost. I do see this sort of thing going on on both sides of the coin all the time, this just happens to be the most extreme example of it. (cont)
@vadimcream Seriously. She isn't a good person. She started off a terrible person when she came to youtube. She's not to be trusted. I know you're getting an earful of bullshit but her dishonesty belongs to her. Her calculated lies and dishonesty belong to her. Not someone else.
I also think that there is a group mentality thing going on that has an effect similar to cooking a frog. The temps slowly rise, one person says something, others back it up, another makes a shitty joke, others do the same and soon enough everybody is enabling the BS+people can't step out to realize this. It's not an excuse, just an admission that I don't think they do this most of the time and I've seen many (certainly including antis here) slipping into this sort of behavior.
@vadimcream Anyone can be petty and immature,,,except me of course. I know both sides are capable. I've caught myself doing this and attempted apologies for it. But this is so deliberate and so calculating. I know you know this. For Divinity, she wasn't caught up, she was simply caught. Well I don't need to go over what she did. Her enablers, I can understand their willful ignorance. They want to support her. They want to be loyal. The thing is she doesn't deserve it.
@iremythpurr indeed. It is. What specific point do you take issue with Nukes? These are NOT my thoughts. I am not going to engage with any of those people again. I will keep up my feminist activism here on YouTube and on my other areas of the net. So tell me which part?
I just watched his video. I mean, respect is not something you just give to a political adversary is it? Its something they earn by their behavior. There's not one person in that group of flying monkeys that has my respect.
@iremythpurr Of course not. People must earn respect. I agree with you that not one ASIDE from vadim who is actually honest. I know that we, as feminists, haven't engaged in the shadiest tactics imaginable as has been done by them. I mean the fact that their leader, Divinity, stooped to such calculated dishonesty means that it's all trickle down into the hive mind. I don't agree that us feminists have done these things. Vadim wants honesty about the crazy tactics employed by those he agrees with
@ire 2. politically. However, he shouldn't hold his breath. I KNOW we're not dishonest like them. I KNOW we don't make 10 sock accounts apiece to up/downrate. I KNOW we've been above board since the beginning. We know it. The fact that Divinity will continue with her dishonesty and that her trolls will too is going to be their downfall. It already has had significant effects. But I have to say that it probably wasn't easy for Vadim to open himself up and tell the truth. I respect him for that
@iremythpurr Exactly. Vadim gives a shit about the dishonesty and the reality that Divinity and her herd shit all over people without regard for being an upstanding person who is really putting forth an argument. I do NOT agree that feminists are doing equivalent dishonest things. That's obvious. Maybe Vadim felt the need to equalize that. I dunno. He knows that I don't agree with that. He DID say that we haven't engaged in this dishonest stuff the way Divinity et al has.
@ire 3. But I do NOT respect anyone else on that side of things and I never will. The door has been open to tell the truth many times but instead of owning up to it, Divinity insists on continuing to lie about it and the herd continues the facade. We, as feminists, cannot make someone be a decent human being. What do you think about Vadim's video? I had to watch it a few times to fully acknowledge every point. We all know it's her. She's a liar. So are her 'friends'.
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TheTruePooka 1 year ago
@TheTruePooka Well, iamcuriousblue just sent a death threat to my friend. I hope she reports him.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@TheTruePooka I love you Pook, you know that.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani 's all good. And someone sends a death threat, report it. I've gotten my share of nasty mails. So far, I've just ignored 'em. But eventually the day may come where I have to take one seriously.
TheTruePooka 1 year ago
@TheTruePooka I'm hoping she'll report it. If it was me it was sent to, there would be no hesitation. I would most assuredly do anything I had to do. You don't fucking PM people death threats.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
This guy can kiss my ass: I have never flagged anyone, nor do I have sock accounts to harass people, like the pro side does.
I never harassed anyone on the pro side: I got blocked after asking ONE question.
Thats why I blocked all of them, they are not interested in critical questions, if you ask one, they throw a fit, or start harassing people. Great attitude. :-(
I do not want to be associated with those narcissistic idiots.
They can throw fits at each other, for all I care. :-)
panthera50 1 year ago
@panthera50
As much as you might view it as a privilege P50, to kiss yr ass, shockingly I must pass.
vadimcream 1 year ago
@vadimcream Original. :-(
panthera50 1 year ago
@panthera50
Oh no! Not the emoticon frowny face! Anything but that!!!!!
vadimcream 1 year ago
@panthera50
So...you block any and all who question your idea or just the ones who act like flaggers/trolls?
if the former, how can you ever claim to be rational if you have to silence opposing views. If the latter, how are they different then other trolls/asshats and better yet, why do you enact the fallacy of claiming all pro are trolls, when it is the troll-like aspect you mention as the bad quality. Basically, you have fault with pro who flag, and you claim as though all pro flag?
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 I silence opposing views ? lol
I asked one question remember, and got blocked immediately, so dont give me this crap, I didn't start this shit.
And as harassing and sock accounts seem to fly all over the place, yes I blocked the whole caboodle.
Strange huh ? I dont think so.
panthera50 1 year ago
@panthera50
So then it was the second interpretation, that some are being trolls and you just feel to generalize that all are like that? Sorry, but that would be a logical fallacy. Or is it that you simply elect to not separate "troll" aspect from "pro", there in giving you ample wiggle room to be apologetic about how you aren't calling all pro trolls, just opting to not make any distinctions when talking about them, like how people do the same about islamic terrorists and moderates.
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 Why are you all over panthera? She's a friend of mine and she's not done a damn thing wrong. She's not entered this hardly at all but watched this from the sidelines for the most part.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani I am not "all over" her. She made a statement that was logically wrong, and I called it. I don't care where she stands on the discussion, for against or a field away. She presented a logical fallacy, and I said as much and tried to explain why it is. Now you can view that as some sort of attack, though it is not, or as a bit of learning. Sorry if your friend took offense but I know I am far more respectful then she would get elsewhere over such statements.
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 There's no logical fallacy involved when someone just states she blocks the group of people responsible for all this dishonest shit. Let me ask you something. Who can anyone on this side trust anymore when the other side makes up entire characters that act and talk like they're a feminist like us? If that side wants to stoop to THAT kind of dishonesty, what do you expect honest people do with that? THAT'S the problem.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 We don't know who is and is not a troll, especially when Divinity makes an account an impersonates someone she's not. Do you understand how that is the deal breaker and gets everyone to just disengage completely and not want ANY contact with anyone else except those they already know? Do you see this?
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@panthera50 Also, since when is "they started it" ever a valid reason to do anything? Honestly it comes off as though you can't tell that the group is comprised of individuals, not one giant sentient force. You are all well and fine to block and ignore the ones actively trolling, but it seems you present it as though because some messed with you, you would rather judge them all as such then go through the hassle of case by case looking. So in the end, you still stagnate your part the discussion.
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 You can think whatever you want, and so can I.
And puhleeeze don't give me that "individuals" crap, because that really makes me laugh ! i have seen and read enough.
So give your lectures to someone who gives a shit.
panthera50 1 year ago
@panthera50 You're right, we can think whatever we want, however much like creationist, that doesn't discount a logical fallacy when it is plainly and obviously used. You can not make an assertion about the character of an entire group of people, especially one that can encompass such variety of people as the main defining trait being a pro stance on an issue. All it would take to make you wrong is 1 example contrary to the generalization. Your opinion is fine. Your method is wrong.
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 She's entitled to block those who are actively taking part in the dishonest fuckwit tactics. Her method is to avoid all those who are lying assholes and since we know they have lots of sock accounts, what method would make sense? Yeah, the method that blocks ALL those involved. There's nothing wrong with her method. At least she's honest.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani yes, she is. And I said as much before. Wasn't the blocking of people who already fucked with her I had fault with, it was the generalization that all are like that. However the link does seem to suggest I misinterpreted the word of "group" as anyone who is pro and not just that certain click. Is this the case?
All them are pro, the assholes are pro, thus all pro are assholes? Sorry but that is where I see fault, when using a broad brush to paint everyone.
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@SaelPalani If the group is just that small band of people who have a track record of being assholes, then it defaults back to the first stance I said: if they have been assholes, you are all wall and fine to ban them.
The way it is worded still reads to me as anyone who is pro and not just said segment of that group, but perhaps it is just the limits of explaining things in a box with 500 character limit...
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 Who cares the way it was worded. Everyone who's been on YouTube for the last 4 months should get this. There is a group of people on YouTube who have done nothing but engage in calculated DISHONESTY and they have been blocked, not only by pan but by many other feminists. THEIR method is the fucked up one here. So feminists just BLOCKED them all because we don't know who is who anymore. Feminists didn't start that shit.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 Tell that to the pro-side, who has been making assertions about the whole "anti" group.
"They" are against sex, "They" are against men. "They are"..etc.
And then come back and start again, because I only asked one fucking question before I got blocked.
I guess that was the adult way ?
And asking me questions on other peoples channels, which I could not answer because I was blocked, yeah, guess you would like that too?
Well..that showed me "character".
They stay blocked.
panthera50 1 year ago
@panthera50 So it reverts back to "they started it"? Oddly, despite telling me the issues of the other vocal jerks on the other side, you really didn't answer if it was just the vocal of the click or anyone who sides with a pro stance.
Next, "I would like" to see rational discussion on the topic, not tribalism. Hence my initial post and subsequent attempts to explain my position and logic behind it. My issue is the same one you still haven't clarified: is "group" all or just that one click?
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 There isn't going to be any dialogue due to the dishonest fucking shit that side has engaged in. See, that's why most of us feminists have DISENGAGED from them. They're dishonest and they think we can't see it. It's not about logic or method. It's about DISHONESTY coming from that entire group that makes it IMPOSSIBLE to take ANY of them seriously. And YES, they DID start it. Nobody on this side is retaliating. We're moving ON with OUR position and not engaging them.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani
There is more people on both sides of the issue then "you" and "them". And for the third time, would you please clarify your "them". It is my primary source of contention here, when the only trait of the "them" given is they are dishonest and they are pro and you toss it out like there are only the two factions in the world. So again, is the "them" the little click you have been having issues with or is it anyone who would side on the pro side?
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 Them, meaning anyone on YouTube who is part of that group or who affiliates with it by perpetuating the lies. The PROBLEM now is that NOBODY on the feminist side of things KNOWS who is being honest and real and who isn't. And THAT is due to that group of people being dishonest. Ppl have just HAD to block a whole slew of people because of the shady tactics employed by that group. Do you understand that? So yes, if you're a good person, the group you associate with DOES affect you.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani Fine, you specified it is mostly that small crew. While I will say there is still associative blame present, given the "anyone who affiliated" bit, I do understand why you would be trepidatious. However I find it a little unsettling that the dishonest fuckery of that group finally did what it seemed to want from the start; get you lot to withdraw from the fight.
And this paranoia can be used, straw manned and lead to even more intellectual decay in the discussion on the subject.
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@S 2 I am aware that trust issues would have to arise after such an incident, but I suppose I simply figured one could maintain less formal ties and more casual friendships while still arguing the subject. I should have noticed you tend to get closer then just internet comrade-at-arms.
However I still feel this seclusion will only stagnate the debate. But I guess you're between a rock and a hard place, and emotionally drained is not the best time to be lectured on debate etiquette. I am sorry.
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@drag 2. WHY? Because that group does not uphold honesty. So if you're affiliated with them in ANY way, most feminists NOW will look upon you with suspicion. This is why ALL the dishonest shit needs to be called out and the socks and the bullshit trolling needs to be called out. Nobody can separate who is who precisely because of the DISHONEST fuckery of that group. How much clearer do I have to be to get this point across?
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani
The retaliation I refer to is the blocking of people because some people on pro side blocked you. But again this is a moot point if your "them" is just the small vocal minority you have been dealing with and not the entirety of those who call themselves pro.
Finally, while justified to ignore Div's crew, I have to ask what resolution or new ideas could you hope to find if you remove yourself entirely from discussion and opt to just use the echo chamber that is your close friends?
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@panthera50 Finally, I figured this was something obvious, but retaliating in kind only shows you are willing to go to their level. I am not talking about their childish and high school antics, but your reply to it. Hell the only reason I bother posting at all is because this click seems capable of arguing rationally and I figure you lot are worth taking the time to go "no, you made an error in logic here" in hopes you'll better your arguments. My complaints are usually on method not stance.
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 There's nothing wrong with her method. There is a group of dishonest people who have engaged in these METHODS, since you like that word, for MONTHS. Therefore, we disengage from them and BLOCK them. We DON'T want dealings with them anymore. Why is this so difficult for you to understand. It's THEIR METHODS that's gotten us to not take ANY of them seriously. All we've done is present our position and pointed out their dishonest tactics. PERIOD.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 By not engaging anymore, I do not stoop to their level.
I simply dont listen to crap anymore.
And I do NOT reply, nor harrass people, so what's your point ?
If you want to induldge in further drama, go ahead, I am done with you.
Bye.
panthera50 1 year ago
@panthera50
I did not say you replied nor harassed anyone. Just because I call similarity between blocking does not mean I call similarity between all other aspects. Just the same I can say 2 people have same color hair without having to say it means they have same eye color as well. You assume and extrapolate my argument needlessly. So if you would kindly stop attempting to tell me my argument so you can present this farce of it that you precede to defend yourself against.
dragonmatt5 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 I have a video for you coming up in about 10 minutes
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@dragonmatt5 Maybe you haven't seen this video watch?v=iv9Q7-TTXc0
They are ALL covering for her, except ONE person: Vadimcream. Panthera just wants to avoid all this bullshit. Do you know who invented the 'camp' idea? It wasn't the feminist 'camp'. It was the assholes on that side of things. The problem is we can't trust ANYONE new anymore because of their dishonest tactics. Last time I checked, most of our group does NOT WANT discussion with dishonest GROUPS of people.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
just as much negativity. yeah right. that's why i am curious blue is going around still harassing "antis" and generally being a dickhead cause he's 'good people." gag.
revolverand 1 year ago
Yeah,,,I kinda think this letter is a cop out from this guy. Divinity is good people after all she's done? What a load of shit.
Zaimren 1 year ago
@Zaimren Here's what I think. I think it's incredibly hard for him to admit some things about the side he supports. However, I think it's just going to be a matter of time until he realizes what juvenile asshats he's really dealing with. I give him credit for speaking clearly about what we all know is the truth about Divinity and the games she and her followers play. I just have this feeling with time he's going to see who is who here. Nobody has said a word on his video and I'm sure privately
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani I saw his video and for the most part, it was good and honest. The last part about her inspiring him made me wanna barf but whateva. I'd go back and respond more to xxxild but I think I was banned from that comment section, or at least she implied that. I left Mr. Cream a comment, it might have been a tad snarky. :)
Zaimren 1 year ago
@Zai he's taking a lot of shit. I've seen comments by him that I've scratched my head over but I think it's just going to take a bit more time for him to understand that he's dealing with the most dishonest sharks, irregardless if he shares a similar position. It IS Divinity's fault and the fault of those who cover for her. Responsibility belongs to her and her cronies. Just be content with the knowledge that NONE of us have stooped to their level.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@Zaimren
"I kinda think this letter is a cop out from this guy. Div is good people after all she's done? What a load of shit."
I can see why you'd say that, Z and you may have a good case. The truth is I think a lot of people abandon civility, common sense and right + wrong when they are blinded by a desire to strike at their opposition at any cost. I do see this sort of thing going on on both sides of the coin all the time, this just happens to be the most extreme example of it. (cont)
vadimcream 1 year ago
@vadimcream Seriously. She isn't a good person. She started off a terrible person when she came to youtube. She's not to be trusted. I know you're getting an earful of bullshit but her dishonesty belongs to her. Her calculated lies and dishonesty belong to her. Not someone else.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@Z
I also think that there is a group mentality thing going on that has an effect similar to cooking a frog. The temps slowly rise, one person says something, others back it up, another makes a shitty joke, others do the same and soon enough everybody is enabling the BS+people can't step out to realize this. It's not an excuse, just an admission that I don't think they do this most of the time and I've seen many (certainly including antis here) slipping into this sort of behavior.
vadimcream 1 year ago
@vadimcream Anyone can be petty and immature,,,except me of course. I know both sides are capable. I've caught myself doing this and attempted apologies for it. But this is so deliberate and so calculating. I know you know this. For Divinity, she wasn't caught up, she was simply caught. Well I don't need to go over what she did. Her enablers, I can understand their willful ignorance. They want to support her. They want to be loyal. The thing is she doesn't deserve it.
Zaimren 1 year ago
respect is EARNED.
iremythpurr 1 year ago
@iremythpurr indeed. It is. What specific point do you take issue with Nukes? These are NOT my thoughts. I am not going to engage with any of those people again. I will keep up my feminist activism here on YouTube and on my other areas of the net. So tell me which part?
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani
I just watched his video. I mean, respect is not something you just give to a political adversary is it? Its something they earn by their behavior. There's not one person in that group of flying monkeys that has my respect.
iremythpurr 1 year ago
@iremythpurr Of course not. People must earn respect. I agree with you that not one ASIDE from vadim who is actually honest. I know that we, as feminists, haven't engaged in the shadiest tactics imaginable as has been done by them. I mean the fact that their leader, Divinity, stooped to such calculated dishonesty means that it's all trickle down into the hive mind. I don't agree that us feminists have done these things. Vadim wants honesty about the crazy tactics employed by those he agrees with
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@ire 2. politically. However, he shouldn't hold his breath. I KNOW we're not dishonest like them. I KNOW we don't make 10 sock accounts apiece to up/downrate. I KNOW we've been above board since the beginning. We know it. The fact that Divinity will continue with her dishonesty and that her trolls will too is going to be their downfall. It already has had significant effects. But I have to say that it probably wasn't easy for Vadim to open himself up and tell the truth. I respect him for that
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@SaelPalani
Yeah, it shows the difference between someone who actually cares about the politics they hold and someone who just has personal issues with people.
iremythpurr 1 year ago
@iremythpurr Exactly. Vadim gives a shit about the dishonesty and the reality that Divinity and her herd shit all over people without regard for being an upstanding person who is really putting forth an argument. I do NOT agree that feminists are doing equivalent dishonest things. That's obvious. Maybe Vadim felt the need to equalize that. I dunno. He knows that I don't agree with that. He DID say that we haven't engaged in this dishonest stuff the way Divinity et al has.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
@ire 3. But I do NOT respect anyone else on that side of things and I never will. The door has been open to tell the truth many times but instead of owning up to it, Divinity insists on continuing to lie about it and the herd continues the facade. We, as feminists, cannot make someone be a decent human being. What do you think about Vadim's video? I had to watch it a few times to fully acknowledge every point. We all know it's her. She's a liar. So are her 'friends'.
SaelPalani 1 year ago
Thats my girl that said that !
moonknightify 1 year ago
@moonknightify I AM yowah girl. You bettah believe it!
SaelPalani 1 year ago
Oh my gawd, is this a story red by that hahd hahted bawston chick readin this stowry ! I thhouwt that she didnt live in Bawston anymoah what mattah plesuah !
moonknightify 1 year ago
@moonknightify Hey Moonie, didja see the MA men on my channel? I feel so at home when I see that video. I love it. Home sweet home. The green Monstah! YEAH! I used to live beside Fenway Pahk. It was fuckin awwwsome, except on Sundays when I was hung ovah from pahties the night befowah. The national anthem would staht playin and I'd be like 'shut the fuck up! I'm tryin ta sleep heeya!'
SaelPalani 1 year ago