Half of my family live in Scotland, but I live in England. If you Scots get independence, we will be separated by nationalities and its already hard enough as it is...this is very common. Dont split families for a lost cause....Alex Salmonds will drive Scotland in to poverty. Heres proof, Scotlands overall GDP (Money) is around £120 billion and that is there budget to spend on everything education, nhs, etc etc etc. Britain spends £110 billion alone on the NHS! Do not do it...stupid mistake.
@hurro67 Britain spends £110 billion on the NHS, not Scotland, a country of only 5 million people, many of whom use private health care. Acountry of 5 million people producing £110 billion is a lot. Scotland would be the 6th richest country in the world if we had full control of oil revenue, the UK would be sixteenth. Look it up, it's true. The stupid mistake would to continue with this loveless marriage. We should have been divorced ages ago.
@OGZxH4CKZOR1 England needs Scotland, We don't need them. Have you not seen the state we are in? We are already in poverty. Independence will take us out, becoming the 6th richest country in the world. If you actually are Scottish then don't look back on history with tinted glasses. What about your ancestors that fought and died to stay independant, then for you to slander them by saying we should be joined to england. You're a traitor to your true ancestors, WW2 guys are the brainwashed ones.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS no scotland would be nothink with out us England got links all over the world your just a stupid scot thinking getting your self indepence will get you somehwhere? your just be a weak lil country britain hasnt been conquered for 1000 years if you leave we may be conquered, even if you do become your own country most other countrys will reconise britain then scotland, and how am i a traitor?
@OGZxH4CKZOR1 Scotland contributes more to the United Kingdom than England does. Scotland has more trade links throughout the world, Whisky and oil being two of our massive exports. Who would want to conquer Britain? It's shit. What do you mean most countries will recognise Britain then Scotland? If they're two seperate countries they will both be equally recognised just like The Irish Republic. Go get an education you moron.
anotherthin most people will know england for its histroy etc, your just ignorant scottish brick who wants to break 300 years off toghether most well educated scottish people dont want to leave and that has been proven with votes most scottish people want to remain with england because we are better reunited,
@OGZxH4CKZOR1 Scotland is part of Britain and no, Scotland does have more trade parterships than the UK. That is a fact. We have never had a referendum on independence, but we are about to have one due to the overwhelming majority of people voting in a nationalist government in Scotland. England does not have the power to say whether Scotland gets independence or not, it's up to us. We joined the union, we can leave when we want. You are an uneducated, ignorant idiot.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS i dont care anyways it wouldnt be are loss it would be yours lol, And no Enland is allies with Usa england has got a commonwealth, if you leave you also leave the great nation behind dont forget your ancesters fighted for the empire and died and achieved so much you want to throw that away? for nothink for independence whitch just get you into more debt? our island would be weaking by this therefore it will unlikely comfirmed by England for you to leave.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS Tbh the only reason that Scots are voting for the SNp's is because the SNP's are promising more attention to Scotland, *not* because Scots truly want "independence". We know full well that the UK benefits us greatly and aren't going to turn our back on centuries of being British and proud.
@TheXand19 Speak for yourself mate, only anout 25 to 30% of Scots see themselves as British. Why on Earth would you be proud to be British? Britain is shite, full of shite people like you who are too afraid to stand up for whats right and what you're ancestors fought tooth and nail to protect, the right to make our own decisions in our own country. Too many people have fallen to the Unionist brainwashing. The Union doesnt benefit us at all. It causes us to suffer. Don't listen to the unionists.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS *All* Scots see themselves as British, but all see themselves as Scots first. If we're talking about what our ancestors fought for and what's right then perhaps you should think of the centuries worth of generations of Scots that have fought and died and sacrificed for Britain and our United Kingdom. Christ, you're as bad as the IRA.
@TheXand19 No. Do not speak for my people. I am a Scot. I do not see myself as British. That does not mean I dislike people who see themselves as British or people who are English. Stop putting things in asterisks, it looks stupid and you are illustrating untrue points. ALL Scots do not see themselves as British, infact very few do. They did not sacrifice themselves for UK, they sacrificed themselves for freedom, what country you came from had nothing to do with it it was an anti-fascist war.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS unless you are referring to wars such as the Falklands, Afghanistan and Iraq, all pointless wars where many peoples lives were ended for no reason. I, or the nationalist cause, are nothing like the IRA. The IRA were an armed struggle to take back the land that Britain stole from them. The Scottish nationalist cause has always been, and always will be, a peaceful, democratic struggle for Scots to have social liberties and a true democratic country of their own.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS The IRA were a terrorist organisation founded on such dangerously un-British seperatist sentiments as you are spouting, and it's about as un-Scottish as you can get.
@TheXand19 Roll on the referendum mate. Indpendence isn't dangerous. We used to be independent and got on fine. If the union worked we wouldn't want to leave it. You have been brainwashed by unionists and believe the nationalist cause is evil. Scotland needs to be independent and only a fool wouldn't realise it's the correct thing to do.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS And the Union does work and the vast majority of Scots wouldn't ever vote for genuinely leaving the Union, atm it's just a pipe dream of the idiot SNP's and so called support for "independence" only exists because people mistake voting for the SNP for seperatist desire. Plus the SNP try to fill the heads of Scots with lies about how we'd be better off. Not in this economy we wouldn't, we'd end up as bankrupt as the Irish or another lesser nation of Europe.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS And for the record I'm still not convinced that you're not one of Scotland's very own plastic paddies and no doubt a devout Celtic supporter. So take that, Mr. Irish-Wants-To-Be-Scottish.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS Your people? You're not the only Scot in Scotland mate. I'm Scottish and I'm telling you that Scottish culture is inextricably tied to the overarching British culture. It's a very rare Scot indeed that doesn't recognise and accept his Britishness, and is likely more Irish than true Scottish since they're the only Celts that have problems with being British.
@TheXand19 You are extremely misinformed. I would very much like to know where you actually live and please shock me by saying some place other than Glasgow or Edinburgh. No Scots I know recognize themselves as Brits, only Scots. Scottish culture is completely seperate to British culture, as no British culture exists. No one in England relates to bagpipes and kilts because it's part of their culture. Scotland is a seperate nation and should be an independent one.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS I'm from Aberdeen, not the Central Belt actually. Though of course any Scot you speak to recognises that they are just as British as they are Scottish, to claim otherwise is very much outwith the norm. It's why Scots take pride in British culture and history. There is no dividing line between British and Scottish, Scottish culture merely contributes to an overarching British culture and the only real difference between English and Scots is the accent.
@TheXand19 You're an idiot my friend. I have no idea why you think 'all' scots pride themselves on British culture. You only think this because the only people you ever come into contact with is the lunatics at the Rangers Supporters Club. Scotland would be better off, better off than we are at the moment. We'll see what happens in the referendum pal, I think we'll win it. And 'for the record', I'm not Irish at all. I'm a Scot who wants the best for Scotland and I'm proud of my country.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS You're obv a Glaswegian and a plastic paddy. And no, I don't even know anyone that supports Rangers, but if you were to actually talk to any real Scots they'd tell you they are British and proud, as well as Scottish and proud. It's just a fact of life that we're British and there is no dividing line. It's why we take pride in the Union Jack, and Winston Churchill and the actions of British troops.
@TheXand19 Haha your so deluded my friend. I'm from Elgin actually, near Inverness. No one in their right mind takes pride in the union jack or being british and especially not the murederous Britsh troops. I'm not talking to you anymore because you seem to think everyone is following your ridiculous agenda.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS I don't know which Scotland you live in if you actually think that your insanely un-British and un-Scottish views are a majority view. Your view on British squaddies is disgusting as well and idiots like you should be shot for being so disrespectful for brave men putting their lives on the line for Britain.
@TheXand19 I don't disagree with the squaddies, they're just doing their jobs. I disagree with the illegal occupation of countries we don't need to be in with British kids getting killed needlessly. Over 1 million civillians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, so they have been murdered. If I should be shot for telling the truth about that then so be it. Their not putting their lives on the line for britain, they're doing it because they are told to by the oil hungry UK government.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS You realise we're not benefiting from any oil and that 1 million people killed is a blatant lie? And it's hardly an illegal occupation, there were sound reasons for being there. Regardless of the reasons it's a noble cause, unless of course you have some qualms about toppling evil regimes. In regards to our brave men and women in the forces, doing what they're told and risking their lives for Britain is the very definition of sacrifice. Show some respect.
@TheXand19 We're not, but the South-East of England are. We don't even benefit from our own oil, let alone the Iraqis'. If we were there to topple saddam then why havn't we invaded North Korea, liberated the Tibetan people or demanded that Israel stops killing muslims? No oil, no benefit. The UK government doesn't care about people, they care about profit. World hunger could be wiped out with 30 billion dollars a year. The world spends this on millitary every 8 days. Support humanity, not war.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS There's a time and a place and it's because of people like you that our great nation is too afraid to step in and sort the North Koreans and Tibetans. In regards to Israel we should be supporting them more and stopping Muslims killing the Israelis. Oil wasn't a factor in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or maybe you missed the rising oil prices and lack of oil benefit. As to world hunger, we spend more than that and it's wasted on Africans.
@TheXand19 Wow, you're an idiot. I have no say in who the UK government invades, and neither does anybody. In this so called 'democratic' country, we do not even get to decide our own future. We should not support Israel, anyone who does is a fascist nazi supporter. Good to know that you support African starvation and world hunger, good man! You utterly ignorant, moronic twat.
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS This from the idiot that thinks nobody gets a say in a democracy. Pumping money into Africa is a waste of money since it goes mainly to warlords who are actively oppressing their people and spending that money on the same sort of military budgets you were complaining about. AS for Israel, it's one nation surrounded by many that hate it, and has been the victim of uncounted terrorist atrocities so you can fuck right off if you think they're the bad guys.
IMPORTANT! Check out the GERS report that has just been released on the newsnetscotland website! Scotland subsidises the rest of the UK! We are loaded! Read the other article on why Scotland is better off leaving bankrupt Britain! The FACTS are here finally! All the reasons on why we should become independent! If you want to know how to shut up a unionist, direct them to this website and you wont hear from them again. I can't see Westminster getting round this! Vote YES in the in the REFERENDUM
within 2-3 years there will be a referendum! And the people of scotland will have a choice to take the path they feel is best for scotland and her people without religious bigotry between catholics and prodestants! If its turns out that a mayority are content in staying in the union rather than building there own destiny then for the first time in my life i will feel ashamed to be classed as a scot if the mayority feels that way!
So its been whispered in corridors of power that LORD JOHN REID who ended his political career to chairman celtic for a number of years has now been chosen to go againt ALEX SALMOND in the referendum to fight for the union and to convince scots like himself to be juda to there own people and the constitution of scotland and chain scotland to a pathetic union and pish poor politics for another 400 years more just because of his own old unionist ways of thinking? Bring it on you turncoat bastard!
@scotland638 Ok well can i sing yah a tune if the record is getting on yah tits? What about tracy chapmans song " Dont yah know? There talking bout a revolution" !!!! Hows that? I cant tapdance too! Lie on there floor and I will show you on your face???
Inciters of HATE PROFITEERS OF HATE!! Beggin MUSLIMS for votes!! Corrupt shysters,the rich tycoons HUNTER N SOUTER. the tax dodger CONNERY,the drink sodden SALMOND,and the HUGE gang of hangers on,Luvvies every one with well paid jobs in the media.. corrupt councillers Buerocrats, pen pushers, leeches that line their own pockets.and for the fools that vote for them?, we,ll they,ve gave youz.. wee flags, bagpipe music,Hollywood trash,and never never land!! AND youz have taken it in.
I must Highlight another british oversight that if it is really beneficial for scotland to be apart of the uk! Then why is it that the olympic bid was just centered in london??? Is it fair that a profitible avent like the olympics And the all the financial gain be pumped JUST into london? What about scotland taking part in of it or wales?? AGAIN a profitible avent AGAIN has to be london! Why? And if not is that fair in a union of equal advantages? Is it hell! Bring on independence!
Ramblin on about tHe anglo -NOrnan descended "Robert de BRUYS" who murderd the rightful king in a churchyard and changed sides as often as people change their shirts !! some hero !
OUR cities in the U.K are beingoverrun with islamic and Non white immigration. YET the so called S"cottish National Party" wants to discuss things that happend 800 years ago!1 300 yars agoetc.!also Irelands citie,s Dublin in particular.are the same, it.s hard to find an irish man in Dublin! BUT ACCORDING TO THE SNP THE BREAK UP OF THE U.K IS THE TOP PRIORITY!! MADNESS! LUNACY!
A shift in power in scottish politics has begun! The S.N.P are writting there names into scottish history and are making the doubters believe they will see INDEPENDENCE in there lifetime!!! I just have always know in my heart that One day i would see the union from scotland end and scotland would become independent from the powers of westminster! It was inevitable that when an english queen open the scottish parliment after 400 years over a period of time INDEPENDENCE would come knocking.
@GDEJEBU2 now i have a question for you. You act english,you say your from australia,you spout racist shit about scotland and yet youre speaking some eastern european language on other peoples channel.why dont you just mind your own buissiness
@GDEJEBU2. Yes i speak english,in a way that many english cant understand in conversation.still others speak scots & gaelic.also english is a mix of european,gaelic and latin,not an english creation of words.thats called racism,saying all scotts care about is money.1st only the mps wanted it,it barely passed and scotland started rioting as did england,they didnt want union either so again,youre wrong.there you go,the truth.
WOW.... hold on sunshine... the introduction is WRONG! Scotland was never defeated, nor conquered! In fact, Scotland remains the ONLY European country not to have been conquered by a foreign aggressor. Get the facts right.
@Patriciocio777 Wrong. Scotland joined the union, albeit under the duplicity of the so-called "nobles". there was no aggression required... we were sold out.
@Patriciocio777 United Kingdom was founded by Scottish monarchs annexing the throne of England and merging the two nations into a single one. Fucking idiot learn2Scottish.
@barbreck69 Well, you have not been conquered only because you volunterely agreed to serve your English masters. Face it, you are a nation of disciplined servants. And by the way, English did kick your ass hard whenever you misbehaved.
@GDEJEBU2 god, you suck hard, i wonder why england decided to bribe the scottish parliament instead of invading, lets see you were kicked out once, twice, three times...it goes on.for a nation thats far bigger you never did manage to subjugate scotland.its quite funny that ven with a tiny percentage of scotland supporting the jacobites they still blazed there way to derby, where they decided to turn back.(decided)
@Georgebushbent Look, you can explain Scotish/English to yourself in any way you want. The fact remainsyou speak English and not Scotish. Also it was English that as you say "bribed" the Scotish parliament. Well, that in itself says a lot about Scotish. I will spell it out for you " The Scotish were and are ready to sell their country and their mother for money or some other bribr". English never did that. They garded their nation and souveregnity with all they had. So there you are, the truth.
@david21085 DIrty unionist engaylish cunt, fuck off and mind your business! SELF IDENTITY FOR SCOUSERS! SELF IDENTITY FOR DEVONIANS! SELF IDENTITY FOR CORNISH! FREEDOM FOR ALL DEATH TO UNIOINSM! Independence is normality! It's inevitable! Check the "Panorama will the Scots ever be happy" video, all 3 parts and you'll see! Fuck the UK!!!!!!!!!
@Georgebushbent Were should I start? The Kingdom of England helpping the Kingdom of Scotlands fiancial problems when there Empire in North america failed before the act of the Union? The fact that we have been fighting and dieing side-by-side for hundreds of years? The personal Union between the great nations, which was before the act of the Union? Not only is it historically best that we United but econmically better! If you want me to create a list on what Scotland would lose out on I will.
@david21085 lets discard the pretence of help.the union was pushed through to protect englands border in the north while they fought france, and ultimately the scottish colony failed because the english parliament pushed the king to declare it illegal, ban trade with it and threaten a cut of relations to any other nation that traded with it, there were no favours given, it was self interest from the start.
when are the celts-Scotts going to fight for indepence from the English-zionists ?... at least the Catholic IRISH have balls they dont take shit from the Eglish !!!! the scotts have no balls only big mouth !! long live the Irish Nation !!!!! the irish kick Ass !!
We cannot forget who we are and where we came from and how hard our ancestors struggled and overcome obstacles and challenges through life! So we must show our respect and honour them all and be united under our flag when our nation of the kingdom of alba was at its peak of our culture by flying the flag of st andrews the saltire and not a union jack a symbol of Colonialism
Scotland would be far LESS independent under the pro EU SNP. Scotland would be little more than a European soviet. It's bad enough already in both Scotland & England as laws of both countries can already be over ruled by Brussels. Its going to get a lot worse as the EU plan is to divide and weaken so they can have total control. Vote SNP & say good bye to sovereignty for ever, until the who EU monster eventually collapses under its own weight of greed & leaving us all seriously poor bar a few.
Man why do none of you compare Scotland to Norway when you try to undermine arguments for independence? Eh? Come on? What's wrong with Norway? They were unified with Sweden until they sought independence, they haven't looked back.
Plus I doubt Ireland regrets fighting the English and shallow-Scots for their independence. Do you think the Irish now want to turn back time and become a new 21st English colony? I don't think so buddy!
My scottish poem.....................Freedom is Alive,After all these years! Within every scot freedom is laced with many fears! Scotland,s Nation and her people must stand! And vote for Independence,Her liberty,Her land! Stand up scots and be visible AGAIN! To honour her woman and children and her Proud Proud men!!..................Saor alba!
@englishwolf You go and buy that stopwatch my English neghbour but make sure you buy an astronomical amount batteries with that, you'll need them. Also what nation has ever "come running back" to england? That's right none (lol). On a more serious note shouldn't you Just look at the sorry state of england.. Don't get me wrong I do sympathise but I don't think scotland should bankroll the clean up, most of the mess is The bi-product of southern greed anyway.
Scotland has a chance to change. However Scottish residents have to understand that the credit crunch would not affect an Independent Scotland with its £3.5 Billion surplus compared to the UK deficit of £72.9 Billion in the same period. Scotland also has massive wind and wave energy potential that could produce enough green energy to power a quarter of Europe. Additionally their are massive untapped oil field at the islet of Rockall. Scotland is the closest land mass.
@oilofscotland Dude, you have to realise that if Scotland obtains independence under the SNP, You will end up like Ireland. The pro-Europe SNP will drag Scotland into the EU and the Eurozone. You may have massive resources and you may have problems under the UK. But you have to realise the danger of independence under the SNP.
What's your point exactly? You're implying that begging the French to save you and hiding behind their troops while they do all the fighting against Britain is the same as Scotland seperating from England?
If you want to kiss English ass, that's your prerogative. But Scotland is fed with that. It's not a question of "if" there will be a free and independent Scotland, it's now only a question of "when."
@v19d HAHAHA! They'd be no such thing as 'Britain' when Scotland leave
The Sassenach can keep calling themselfs British but legally it will just be a void term, doesnt really matter anyway because despite it being Scottish King James VI taking the Engirlish throne in 1603 which was what put the union process in motion by 1707, most people around the world think that Britain is just another name for Engirland
Lol It was even a Scotsman who created the Rule Brittania anthem (This is the Charter)
If Scotland goes Independent so will Wales. Northern Ireland could go either be reunified with the Republic or become Independent nation called Ulster. That would mark the end of United Kingdon and be referred to as either England or Britain or Great Britain. After Britain loses Scotland, Wales, and maybe Northern Ireland the remainder of its territories will become independent outside of Europe. Then a terrible Chapter in World history will end where Britain became powerful through war
.............for, as long as but one hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.THE DECLARATION OF ABROATH 1320! Still relevant in 2010! Saor alba!
@TopCoolCat i THINK YOU HAVE CONFUSED ALEX WITH JIM MURPHY M8.
OH,AND I WOULD LIVE IN POVERTY IF IT MEANT ME GETTING MY HONOUR AND PRIDE BACK.REMEMBER,THE OPPOSITE OF INDEPENDENCE IS DEPENDENCE.ALL THE UNIONIST WHO CLAIM TO BE 'PROUD SCOTS' ARE NOTHING BUT MONEY-WHORES SELLING THEIR PRIDE FOR AN ENGLISH COCK IN THEIR ARSE.
a dont even think any countries are in unions anymore, scotland is very capeable to handle its self, only countries that should be in unions are ones like etheopia, that need suport
Scotland on its own, doesnt even get into wars, its england that always pick fights and our troops have to go aswell
The truth is england wont grant us independence cos they need us they would crumbe without us and when we finally get our independence and our own goverment we will show the english how its done
they cant stop us, if we as a nation pull out of britian, they cant do anything, alex salmond has even been to america talking about independence, the americans ul dive at any chance to fuck the english, also the UN would be on scotlands side if england started shit
England will try to make it difficult for us to get independence but, theyl do anything they can to slow us down
without scotland .. n if wales n nothern ireland n england stayed in a union .. it would jus be called britian .. am a right ? scotlands apart of britian at the moment so its great britian
now its time to take the dirty red bit off the union jack .. n have a lovley nice saltire ... FREE BONNIE SCOTLAND
It still baffles me in a way that Scotland can't do it. It's horribly depressing. I'm 1/2 Scottish and even though I was raised in the US, my family instilled a strong sense of ethnic and cultural identity in me.
I want to be an ambassador in the UN one day to Scotland, but only if it's independent of England. One day.
It's a disgraceful idea that England should be able to vote on Scottish independence. Why on earth should you be allowed to make the decision for another country? You are foreign, Scotland's future isn't up to you. It's up to the Scots. We should have never been in the union, it was forced upon us - what would William Wallace think?!
The break up of the union involves us all in Britain, I agree that no one in England should vote on Scots independence but we should not have to put up with them poncing off us if they fail to get independence.
All countrys in the Union should vote for themselves !
I think us English should be allowed to vote on Scottish independence too.
The question is quite simple. Do we want to continue to be tied to, grant a disproportionate amount of power to, and lavishly subsidise, such a nation of whingers?
Given the chance I'd vote for Scottish independence today.
English should NOT be allowed to vote on Scottish independence NEVER its got nothing to do with england thats the problem with english allways sticking you nose in where its not wanted
The whole of Britain should vote at the same time. The reason being that if Scotland votes against independence. The English would be stuck with Scotland with no say in it where as if we all voted. The countrys that vote to stay can stay but those that vote to leave can leave. 1 country deciding is not fair on the others. I believe this would end the debate about union once and for all. Thats each country voting for itself not a national vote. Hope Ive made myself clear.
Or perhaps we Scots should be allowed to vote on English independence. The question is quite simple. Do we want to be tied to, grant a disproportionate amount of power to, and lavishly subsidise over the last 40 years (with our natural resources - something England doesn't have), a nation of whinging underachievers?
Given the chance a great many Scots would have voted for English independence. Not today. But yesterday. And the week before. And last year. And 40 years ago.
Thankfully most Scottish people want to do whats best for them, their future and their families. Im never quite sure what exactly is going to change apart from giving that incompetent joke of a Scottish Parliment even chances to screw up (try watching the news) I know it must be fun watching Braveheart, shouuting abuse across the border and having a good old time going on about battles over 600 years ago but maybe you could use all this passion for something constructive?
and be careful on what kind of independence you will have, the English are a sneaky gang of filthy bastards, they stuck us the turks here with their gay plans.
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The fact that the SNP are a minority government shows that independence is not a priority for most Scots.
Personally, I think there should be a referendum on independence conducted along with every Scottish Parliamentary election, if for no other reason than to show that those who want independence are in a minority.
Well, I think that once people start to realise that they have been subject to centuries of propaganda making them fear freedom and convincing them that they are better off in an unfair union they wll be more inclined towards independence. Once the brainwashing is removed we will see how many think independence is the normal way of things.
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I think a lot of unionists respect the SNP, voted for them in the 2007 election (in order to get Labour out) but would still vote no in a referendum on Scottish independence.
I really don't know why so many unionists don't want a referendum, every poll shows they would easily win.
Labour may have emerged as the largest party after the first Holyrood elections , serving two terms in coalition with the Liberal Democrats until ..........
The SNP's victory in 2007 resulted in the SNP setting up the first minority Scottish Government.
What an achievement, the SNP are getting stronger by the day !
Bottom line we need our freedom to vote on independence!
Then why did only 32% of the Scottish people vote for the SNP in 2007, even at the height of Labour unpopularity due to Scottish PM Tony Blair's war on Iraq's children? If the majority of Scottish people wanted separatism then why aren't over 50% voting for the separatist party SNP? Boring chippies are boring.
I'm from Québec who want to be indépendant too but we failed twice until now! so SNP they seem get some good information from my Province and Parti Québecois, what they should do to not failed like we did and get your own indépendance! hope you will support us one days!
I never claim the accuracy of the film, but the message that is imparted is completely true. I challenge you to research the role of Edward Longshanks in the subjugation, oppression, and rape of the Scottish nation.
I challenge you to pick up a history book and put aside Hollywood trash. Asserting a 19th century nationalist mentality on Middle Ages politics is far from true. If you had actually studied British history, you would realise, the continuous Scottish subjugation, opression and rape of the Northern English populances of Northumberland and Cumbria is much more vast, bloody and profound than any Plantagenet trying to overthrow a usurper (Bruce).
In fact I have studied British history, extensively. I have already agreed that I am less interested in "Hollywood trash" than I am in historical truth. The truth of the matter was that the Plantagenet dynasty under Edward raped and pillaged Scotland for far longer than you care to remember.
I'm sorry "counterrevolutionite" but your historical confusion simply will not hold against the misery caused by the English Empire.
Then why do you continue to put cross incorrect, elementary statements in regards to its history? There was no "English Empire", but a "Angevin Empire", as the Plantagenet dynasty from France inherited England. Unfortuently the family were unable to oust the usurper Bruce, but the Stuarts united our nation later on anyway. The subjugation, opression and rape of the Northern English populances of Northumberland and Cumbria by the Scottish between should serve as a historic artifact.
I would hardly describe my posts as either cross or incorrect. The "English Empire" I referred to was clearly a retrospective label, considering the English nation an "Empire" from the latin imperium, to rule.
Calling Britain a "nation" is a silly and incorrect statement that your fellow "nationals" would certainly dispute.
If you are so concerned for the Northern English, then why do you show none for the Scots, who have suffered and still suffer the indecency of subjugation?
You have to be kidding "suffer the indeceny of subjugation"? They run the country you dence yankee fuck. The Prime Minister is Scottish, read about the West Lothian question, the Barnett Formula, the fact that Scots can go to uni for free but English can't and then talk about "subjugation". You still have not explained away your continung subjugation of the Native American people who like in apartheid you have forced into reservations to this day.
well this is just ridiculous, and your awkward offensive ad hominem argument is getting you nowhere.
I do not seek to "explain away" the NA "question." That is not my point nor concern here. And the reservations are entirely voluntary at this point. They grant NA tax benefits, relieve them of state jurisdiction, and NA are allowed and encouraged to travel, migrate, move, and carry out lives as any Americans do.
Please don't come to me with your silly, strange, incorrect assumptions.
LOL @ charlatanry & lies of Scotland as a nation "subjigated" by England. This same Scotland whose king James VI came to the English throne. Who after an imperialistic experiment gone wrong in Panama came running to the English to bail them out for a union. Leading the empire in certain experiments such as the opium trade in China. The same politicans who run our country; Blair, Brown and Darling, dragging us into undemocratic wars against the wishes of most the people in our country.
If we are looking to history let's remember the actually signing of the Act without a referendum and under incredible duress from the neighbors down South. It is indisputable that England has exploited hundreds of millions of pounds in resources, labor, and taxes from her Northern brothers. The opium wars you mention were conducted by Scottish merchants, by no means representatives of the people or nation at large.
Dubious assertion. The biggest exploiters in the history of Scotland, are the Lowland Scots' exploitation of the Highland Scot. England is a country which is run by Scots and bleed it dry for benefits and social advantages not give to the English working classes. A person from Edinbrugh is better off than a person from Leeds. Scottish politicans, the elected representatives of the people decided to merge the Parliaments and so it was done. What this has to do with America I haven't the faintest.
Long live Scotland and Ireland
noodles1916 3 weeks ago
Scottish out of British
Britain=England
Euphemism
desquitao 1 month ago
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The scots are the bitches of Her majesty ;(
hummer8384 1 month ago
Half of my family live in Scotland, but I live in England. If you Scots get independence, we will be separated by nationalities and its already hard enough as it is...this is very common. Dont split families for a lost cause....Alex Salmonds will drive Scotland in to poverty. Heres proof, Scotlands overall GDP (Money) is around £120 billion and that is there budget to spend on everything education, nhs, etc etc etc. Britain spends £110 billion alone on the NHS! Do not do it...stupid mistake.
hurro67 3 months ago
@hurro67 Britain spends £110 billion on the NHS, not Scotland, a country of only 5 million people, many of whom use private health care. Acountry of 5 million people producing £110 billion is a lot. Scotland would be the 6th richest country in the world if we had full control of oil revenue, the UK would be sixteenth. Look it up, it's true. The stupid mistake would to continue with this loveless marriage. We should have been divorced ages ago.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 1 month ago
FUCK YOU ENGLISH BASTARDS!
beverage2008 3 months ago
Grá agus tacaíocht ó Éireann.
love and support from Ireland.
ColossalCollapse 4 months ago
Scotland your mad and stupid our ancesters didnt fight for nothing for the british empire it is what makes our countrys united great.
i can understand you want indepence but you are free people
our countrys need eachother to stay great by you getting indepence destroys our great histroy and our nations.
dont listen to that stupid man he going to lead you to poverty.
you need BRITAIN and we Need You.
im Scottish by the way i think scotland is better united with britain.
OGZxH4CKZOR1 5 months ago
@OGZxH4CKZOR1 England needs Scotland, We don't need them. Have you not seen the state we are in? We are already in poverty. Independence will take us out, becoming the 6th richest country in the world. If you actually are Scottish then don't look back on history with tinted glasses. What about your ancestors that fought and died to stay independant, then for you to slander them by saying we should be joined to england. You're a traitor to your true ancestors, WW2 guys are the brainwashed ones.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 1 month ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS no scotland would be nothink with out us England got links all over the world your just a stupid scot thinking getting your self indepence will get you somehwhere? your just be a weak lil country britain hasnt been conquered for 1000 years if you leave we may be conquered, even if you do become your own country most other countrys will reconise britain then scotland, and how am i a traitor?
its just the goverment have fucked up bigtime.
OGZxH4CKZOR1 1 month ago
@OGZxH4CKZOR1 Scotland contributes more to the United Kingdom than England does. Scotland has more trade links throughout the world, Whisky and oil being two of our massive exports. Who would want to conquer Britain? It's shit. What do you mean most countries will recognise Britain then Scotland? If they're two seperate countries they will both be equally recognised just like The Irish Republic. Go get an education you moron.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 1 month ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS actually your wrong britian has more trade than you,
anotherthin most people will know england for its histroy etc, your just ignorant scottish brick who wants to break 300 years off toghether most well educated scottish people dont want to leave and that has been proven with votes most scottish people want to remain with england because we are better reunited,
anyways England wouldnt give scotland indepence.
OGZxH4CKZOR1 1 month ago
@OGZxH4CKZOR1 Scotland is part of Britain and no, Scotland does have more trade parterships than the UK. That is a fact. We have never had a referendum on independence, but we are about to have one due to the overwhelming majority of people voting in a nationalist government in Scotland. England does not have the power to say whether Scotland gets independence or not, it's up to us. We joined the union, we can leave when we want. You are an uneducated, ignorant idiot.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 1 month ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS more trade parterships than England*
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 1 month ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS i dont care anyways it wouldnt be are loss it would be yours lol, And no Enland is allies with Usa england has got a commonwealth, if you leave you also leave the great nation behind dont forget your ancesters fighted for the empire and died and achieved so much you want to throw that away? for nothink for independence whitch just get you into more debt? our island would be weaking by this therefore it will unlikely comfirmed by England for you to leave.
OGZxH4CKZOR1 1 month ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS Tbh the only reason that Scots are voting for the SNp's is because the SNP's are promising more attention to Scotland, *not* because Scots truly want "independence". We know full well that the UK benefits us greatly and aren't going to turn our back on centuries of being British and proud.
TheXand19 1 month ago
@TheXand19 Speak for yourself mate, only anout 25 to 30% of Scots see themselves as British. Why on Earth would you be proud to be British? Britain is shite, full of shite people like you who are too afraid to stand up for whats right and what you're ancestors fought tooth and nail to protect, the right to make our own decisions in our own country. Too many people have fallen to the Unionist brainwashing. The Union doesnt benefit us at all. It causes us to suffer. Don't listen to the unionists.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 1 month ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS *All* Scots see themselves as British, but all see themselves as Scots first. If we're talking about what our ancestors fought for and what's right then perhaps you should think of the centuries worth of generations of Scots that have fought and died and sacrificed for Britain and our United Kingdom. Christ, you're as bad as the IRA.
TheXand19 1 month ago
@TheXand19 No. Do not speak for my people. I am a Scot. I do not see myself as British. That does not mean I dislike people who see themselves as British or people who are English. Stop putting things in asterisks, it looks stupid and you are illustrating untrue points. ALL Scots do not see themselves as British, infact very few do. They did not sacrifice themselves for UK, they sacrificed themselves for freedom, what country you came from had nothing to do with it it was an anti-fascist war.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 1 month ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS unless you are referring to wars such as the Falklands, Afghanistan and Iraq, all pointless wars where many peoples lives were ended for no reason. I, or the nationalist cause, are nothing like the IRA. The IRA were an armed struggle to take back the land that Britain stole from them. The Scottish nationalist cause has always been, and always will be, a peaceful, democratic struggle for Scots to have social liberties and a true democratic country of their own.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 1 month ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS The IRA were a terrorist organisation founded on such dangerously un-British seperatist sentiments as you are spouting, and it's about as un-Scottish as you can get.
TheXand19 1 month ago
@TheXand19 Roll on the referendum mate. Indpendence isn't dangerous. We used to be independent and got on fine. If the union worked we wouldn't want to leave it. You have been brainwashed by unionists and believe the nationalist cause is evil. Scotland needs to be independent and only a fool wouldn't realise it's the correct thing to do.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 4 weeks ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS And the Union does work and the vast majority of Scots wouldn't ever vote for genuinely leaving the Union, atm it's just a pipe dream of the idiot SNP's and so called support for "independence" only exists because people mistake voting for the SNP for seperatist desire. Plus the SNP try to fill the heads of Scots with lies about how we'd be better off. Not in this economy we wouldn't, we'd end up as bankrupt as the Irish or another lesser nation of Europe.
TheXand19 4 weeks ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS And for the record I'm still not convinced that you're not one of Scotland's very own plastic paddies and no doubt a devout Celtic supporter. So take that, Mr. Irish-Wants-To-Be-Scottish.
TheXand19 4 weeks ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS Your people? You're not the only Scot in Scotland mate. I'm Scottish and I'm telling you that Scottish culture is inextricably tied to the overarching British culture. It's a very rare Scot indeed that doesn't recognise and accept his Britishness, and is likely more Irish than true Scottish since they're the only Celts that have problems with being British.
TheXand19 1 month ago
@TheXand19 You are extremely misinformed. I would very much like to know where you actually live and please shock me by saying some place other than Glasgow or Edinburgh. No Scots I know recognize themselves as Brits, only Scots. Scottish culture is completely seperate to British culture, as no British culture exists. No one in England relates to bagpipes and kilts because it's part of their culture. Scotland is a seperate nation and should be an independent one.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 4 weeks ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS I'm from Aberdeen, not the Central Belt actually. Though of course any Scot you speak to recognises that they are just as British as they are Scottish, to claim otherwise is very much outwith the norm. It's why Scots take pride in British culture and history. There is no dividing line between British and Scottish, Scottish culture merely contributes to an overarching British culture and the only real difference between English and Scots is the accent.
TheXand19 4 weeks ago
@TheXand19 You're an idiot my friend. I have no idea why you think 'all' scots pride themselves on British culture. You only think this because the only people you ever come into contact with is the lunatics at the Rangers Supporters Club. Scotland would be better off, better off than we are at the moment. We'll see what happens in the referendum pal, I think we'll win it. And 'for the record', I'm not Irish at all. I'm a Scot who wants the best for Scotland and I'm proud of my country.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 4 weeks ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS You're obv a Glaswegian and a plastic paddy. And no, I don't even know anyone that supports Rangers, but if you were to actually talk to any real Scots they'd tell you they are British and proud, as well as Scottish and proud. It's just a fact of life that we're British and there is no dividing line. It's why we take pride in the Union Jack, and Winston Churchill and the actions of British troops.
TheXand19 4 weeks ago
@TheXand19 Haha your so deluded my friend. I'm from Elgin actually, near Inverness. No one in their right mind takes pride in the union jack or being british and especially not the murederous Britsh troops. I'm not talking to you anymore because you seem to think everyone is following your ridiculous agenda.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 3 weeks ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS I don't know which Scotland you live in if you actually think that your insanely un-British and un-Scottish views are a majority view. Your view on British squaddies is disgusting as well and idiots like you should be shot for being so disrespectful for brave men putting their lives on the line for Britain.
TheXand19 3 weeks ago
@TheXand19 I don't disagree with the squaddies, they're just doing their jobs. I disagree with the illegal occupation of countries we don't need to be in with British kids getting killed needlessly. Over 1 million civillians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, so they have been murdered. If I should be shot for telling the truth about that then so be it. Their not putting their lives on the line for britain, they're doing it because they are told to by the oil hungry UK government.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 3 weeks ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS You realise we're not benefiting from any oil and that 1 million people killed is a blatant lie? And it's hardly an illegal occupation, there were sound reasons for being there. Regardless of the reasons it's a noble cause, unless of course you have some qualms about toppling evil regimes. In regards to our brave men and women in the forces, doing what they're told and risking their lives for Britain is the very definition of sacrifice. Show some respect.
TheXand19 3 weeks ago
@TheXand19 We're not, but the South-East of England are. We don't even benefit from our own oil, let alone the Iraqis'. If we were there to topple saddam then why havn't we invaded North Korea, liberated the Tibetan people or demanded that Israel stops killing muslims? No oil, no benefit. The UK government doesn't care about people, they care about profit. World hunger could be wiped out with 30 billion dollars a year. The world spends this on millitary every 8 days. Support humanity, not war.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 3 weeks ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS There's a time and a place and it's because of people like you that our great nation is too afraid to step in and sort the North Koreans and Tibetans. In regards to Israel we should be supporting them more and stopping Muslims killing the Israelis. Oil wasn't a factor in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or maybe you missed the rising oil prices and lack of oil benefit. As to world hunger, we spend more than that and it's wasted on Africans.
TheXand19 3 weeks ago
@TheXand19 Wow, you're an idiot. I have no say in who the UK government invades, and neither does anybody. In this so called 'democratic' country, we do not even get to decide our own future. We should not support Israel, anyone who does is a fascist nazi supporter. Good to know that you support African starvation and world hunger, good man! You utterly ignorant, moronic twat.
ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS 3 weeks ago
@ShRiNkInGMuShRoOmS This from the idiot that thinks nobody gets a say in a democracy. Pumping money into Africa is a waste of money since it goes mainly to warlords who are actively oppressing their people and spending that money on the same sort of military budgets you were complaining about. AS for Israel, it's one nation surrounded by many that hate it, and has been the victim of uncounted terrorist atrocities so you can fuck right off if you think they're the bad guys.
TheXand19 3 weeks ago
Us Brits are keeping your land...if you have independence you will be deported form our lands.
hurro67 7 months ago
@hurro67 hahahahahahaha
beverage2008 3 months ago
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IMPORTANT! Check out the GERS report that has just been released on the newsnetscotland website! Scotland subsidises the rest of the UK! We are loaded! Read the other article on why Scotland is better off leaving bankrupt Britain! The FACTS are here finally! All the reasons on why we should become independent! If you want to know how to shut up a unionist, direct them to this website and you wont hear from them again. I can't see Westminster getting round this! Vote YES in the in the REFERENDUM
mrkjames9 7 months ago
within 2-3 years there will be a referendum! And the people of scotland will have a choice to take the path they feel is best for scotland and her people without religious bigotry between catholics and prodestants! If its turns out that a mayority are content in staying in the union rather than building there own destiny then for the first time in my life i will feel ashamed to be classed as a scot if the mayority feels that way!
Alastairbell 7 months ago
So its been whispered in corridors of power that LORD JOHN REID who ended his political career to chairman celtic for a number of years has now been chosen to go againt ALEX SALMOND in the referendum to fight for the union and to convince scots like himself to be juda to there own people and the constitution of scotland and chain scotland to a pathetic union and pish poor politics for another 400 years more just because of his own old unionist ways of thinking? Bring it on you turncoat bastard!
Alastairbell 7 months ago
@Alastairbell Change the fcking record.
scotland638 7 months ago
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@scotland638 Ok well can i sing yah a tune if the record is getting on yah tits? What about tracy chapmans song " Dont yah know? There talking bout a revolution" !!!! Hows that? I cant tapdance too! Lie on there floor and I will show you on your face???
Alastairbell 7 months ago
Inciters of HATE PROFITEERS OF HATE!! Beggin MUSLIMS for votes!! Corrupt shysters,the rich tycoons HUNTER N SOUTER. the tax dodger CONNERY,the drink sodden SALMOND,and the HUGE gang of hangers on,Luvvies every one with well paid jobs in the media.. corrupt councillers Buerocrats, pen pushers, leeches that line their own pockets.and for the fools that vote for them?, we,ll they,ve gave youz.. wee flags, bagpipe music,Hollywood trash,and never never land!! AND youz have taken it in.
NOVATICANWARS 7 months ago
Scottish!!!independence!! Hope you get it soon lads. I wish England could vote too cos must of us down here want u to fuck off as well!!!!!
Paulyb1010 7 months ago
I must Highlight another british oversight that if it is really beneficial for scotland to be apart of the uk! Then why is it that the olympic bid was just centered in london??? Is it fair that a profitible avent like the olympics And the all the financial gain be pumped JUST into london? What about scotland taking part in of it or wales?? AGAIN a profitible avent AGAIN has to be london! Why? And if not is that fair in a union of equal advantages? Is it hell! Bring on independence!
Alastairbell 7 months ago
Ramblin on about tHe anglo -NOrnan descended "Robert de BRUYS" who murderd the rightful king in a churchyard and changed sides as often as people change their shirts !! some hero !
NOVATICANWARS 8 months ago
OUR cities in the U.K are beingoverrun with islamic and Non white immigration. YET the so called S"cottish National Party" wants to discuss things that happend 800 years ago!1 300 yars agoetc.!also Irelands citie,s Dublin in particular.are the same, it.s hard to find an irish man in Dublin! BUT ACCORDING TO THE SNP THE BREAK UP OF THE U.K IS THE TOP PRIORITY!! MADNESS! LUNACY!
NOVATICANWARS 8 months ago
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A shift in power in scottish politics has begun! The S.N.P are writting there names into scottish history and are making the doubters believe they will see INDEPENDENCE in there lifetime!!! I just have always know in my heart that One day i would see the union from scotland end and scotland would become independent from the powers of westminster! It was inevitable that when an english queen open the scottish parliment after 400 years over a period of time INDEPENDENCE would come knocking.
Alastairbell 8 months ago
@GDEJEBU2 now i have a question for you. You act english,you say your from australia,you spout racist shit about scotland and yet youre speaking some eastern european language on other peoples channel.why dont you just mind your own buissiness
Georgebushbent 8 months ago
@GDEJEBU2. Yes i speak english,in a way that many english cant understand in conversation.still others speak scots & gaelic.also english is a mix of european,gaelic and latin,not an english creation of words.thats called racism,saying all scotts care about is money.1st only the mps wanted it,it barely passed and scotland started rioting as did england,they didnt want union either so again,youre wrong.there you go,the truth.
Georgebushbent 8 months ago
WOW.... hold on sunshine... the introduction is WRONG! Scotland was never defeated, nor conquered! In fact, Scotland remains the ONLY European country not to have been conquered by a foreign aggressor. Get the facts right.
barbreck69 8 months ago 3
@barbreck69 with all due respect; Scotland is currently occupied by a foreign aggressor. Fortunately, it looks like this will change soon!
Patriciocio777 8 months ago
@Patriciocio777 Wrong. Scotland joined the union, albeit under the duplicity of the so-called "nobles". there was no aggression required... we were sold out.
barbreck69 8 months ago
@Patriciocio777 Perhaps you don't realise that 75% of our laws are made in Brussels, not London.
PureJockPureBrit 8 months ago
@Patriciocio777 No it's not.
truefalse 4 months ago
@truefalse do we have facts behind that or just intuition?
Patriciocio777 4 months ago
@Patriciocio777 I don't see British Troops raging war on the streets of Glasgow and I live in Glasgow, Scotland.
truefalse 4 months ago
@Patriciocio777 United Kingdom was founded by Scottish monarchs annexing the throne of England and merging the two nations into a single one. Fucking idiot learn2Scottish.
TheXand19 1 month ago
@barbreck69 Well, you have not been conquered only because you volunterely agreed to serve your English masters. Face it, you are a nation of disciplined servants. And by the way, English did kick your ass hard whenever you misbehaved.
GDEJEBU2 8 months ago
@GDEJEBU2 god, you suck hard, i wonder why england decided to bribe the scottish parliament instead of invading, lets see you were kicked out once, twice, three times...it goes on.for a nation thats far bigger you never did manage to subjugate scotland.its quite funny that ven with a tiny percentage of scotland supporting the jacobites they still blazed there way to derby, where they decided to turn back.(decided)
Georgebushbent 8 months ago
@Georgebushbent Look, you can explain Scotish/English to yourself in any way you want. The fact remainsyou speak English and not Scotish. Also it was English that as you say "bribed" the Scotish parliament. Well, that in itself says a lot about Scotish. I will spell it out for you " The Scotish were and are ready to sell their country and their mother for money or some other bribr". English never did that. They garded their nation and souveregnity with all they had. So there you are, the truth.
GDEJEBU2 8 months ago
Not wanting independnece is normal
david21085 10 months ago
We can take these Ignorant Scots wanting independence, we can take 'em! With History.
david21085 10 months ago
Englanistan 10 months ago
@david21085 if its with history youve already lost
Georgebushbent 8 months ago
@Georgebushbent Were should I start? The Kingdom of England helpping the Kingdom of Scotlands fiancial problems when there Empire in North america failed before the act of the Union? The fact that we have been fighting and dieing side-by-side for hundreds of years? The personal Union between the great nations, which was before the act of the Union? Not only is it historically best that we United but econmically better! If you want me to create a list on what Scotland would lose out on I will.
david21085 8 months ago
@david21085 lets discard the pretence of help.the union was pushed through to protect englands border in the north while they fought france, and ultimately the scottish colony failed because the english parliament pushed the king to declare it illegal, ban trade with it and threaten a cut of relations to any other nation that traded with it, there were no favours given, it was self interest from the start.
Georgebushbent 8 months ago
independence is normal
MrScottishJamie 11 months ago 4
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when are the celts-Scotts going to fight for indepence from the English-zionists ?... at least the Catholic IRISH have balls they dont take shit from the Eglish !!!! the scotts have no balls only big mouth !! long live the Irish Nation !!!!! the irish kick Ass !!
lion1green 1 year ago
We cannot forget who we are and where we came from and how hard our ancestors struggled and overcome obstacles and challenges through life! So we must show our respect and honour them all and be united under our flag when our nation of the kingdom of alba was at its peak of our culture by flying the flag of st andrews the saltire and not a union jack a symbol of Colonialism
Alastairbell 1 year ago
Scotland would be far LESS independent under the pro EU SNP. Scotland would be little more than a European soviet. It's bad enough already in both Scotland & England as laws of both countries can already be over ruled by Brussels. Its going to get a lot worse as the EU plan is to divide and weaken so they can have total control. Vote SNP & say good bye to sovereignty for ever, until the who EU monster eventually collapses under its own weight of greed & leaving us all seriously poor bar a few.
ALBIONTYKE 1 year ago
@Malusregnum
Man why do none of you compare Scotland to Norway when you try to undermine arguments for independence? Eh? Come on? What's wrong with Norway? They were unified with Sweden until they sought independence, they haven't looked back.
Plus I doubt Ireland regrets fighting the English and shallow-Scots for their independence. Do you think the Irish now want to turn back time and become a new 21st English colony? I don't think so buddy!
End London rule, free Scotland, vote SNP 2011!
imabagpiper 1 year ago
My scottish poem.....................Freedom is Alive,After all these years! Within every scot freedom is laced with many fears! Scotland,s Nation and her people must stand! And vote for Independence,Her liberty,Her land! Stand up scots and be visible AGAIN! To honour her woman and children and her Proud Proud men!!..................Saor alba!
Alastairbell 1 year ago
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOMM
o0scotland0o 1 year ago
robin williams scottish comedian...what a load of shite
dougie211292 1 year ago
1scot4scotland 1 year ago
Scotland has a chance to change. However Scottish residents have to understand that the credit crunch would not affect an Independent Scotland with its £3.5 Billion surplus compared to the UK deficit of £72.9 Billion in the same period. Scotland also has massive wind and wave energy potential that could produce enough green energy to power a quarter of Europe. Additionally their are massive untapped oil field at the islet of Rockall. Scotland is the closest land mass.
oilofscotland 1 year ago
@oilofscotland Dude, you have to realise that if Scotland obtains independence under the SNP, You will end up like Ireland. The pro-Europe SNP will drag Scotland into the EU and the Eurozone. You may have massive resources and you may have problems under the UK. But you have to realise the danger of independence under the SNP.
Malusregnum 1 year ago
i think we should let the scots have independence, then we all buy stop watchs and see how long it takes for them to come running back.
webb20k 1 year ago
@webb20k MORE LIKE HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TILL ENGLISH WILL COLAPSE
o0scotland0o 1 year ago
I'm an American, a citizen of the United States of America.
After declaring national independence, our first act was to kick the British out. That was 234 years ago.
It's worked out well.
kstahmer 1 year ago
@kstahmer Well gee thanks for letting us know what an American is !
Iv'e been wondering about that for years !
Note to self :- I must stop looking at Scottish Independence videos in case the stupidity rubs off !
EnglishWulf 1 year ago
@EnglishWulf Too late
kstahmer 1 year ago
@kstahmer
What's your point exactly? You're implying that begging the French to save you and hiding behind their troops while they do all the fighting against Britain is the same as Scotland seperating from England?
MrJST87 1 year ago
@MrJST87
If you want to kiss English ass, that's your prerogative. But Scotland is fed with that. It's not a question of "if" there will be a free and independent Scotland, it's now only a question of "when."
kstahmer 1 year ago
fukin scum go back tae england ya wank
Rizlao9 1 year ago
@v19d HAHAHA! They'd be no such thing as 'Britain' when Scotland leave
The Sassenach can keep calling themselfs British but legally it will just be a void term, doesnt really matter anyway because despite it being Scottish King James VI taking the Engirlish throne in 1603 which was what put the union process in motion by 1707, most people around the world think that Britain is just another name for Engirland
Lol It was even a Scotsman who created the Rule Brittania anthem (This is the Charter)
segano1 1 year ago
If Scotland goes Independent so will Wales. Northern Ireland could go either be reunified with the Republic or become Independent nation called Ulster. That would mark the end of United Kingdon and be referred to as either England or Britain or Great Britain. After Britain loses Scotland, Wales, and maybe Northern Ireland the remainder of its territories will become independent outside of Europe. Then a terrible Chapter in World history will end where Britain became powerful through war
v19d 1 year ago
scotland forever fuk england and fuk the union
cammymcghee 1 year ago
@cammymcghee WELL SAID SCOTLAND ALL THE WAY
o0scotland0o 1 year ago
Free Scotland now!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kenjutsumasters 1 year ago
.............for, as long as but one hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.THE DECLARATION OF ABROATH 1320! Still relevant in 2010! Saor alba!
Alastairbell 1 year ago
Why can't the people of Scotland see that this guy is a self seeking moron.
For god sake Scotland WAKE UP and learn the lessons of history.
Do you want to be dropped into an abyss of poverty?
TopCoolCat 1 year ago
Right! Just like the US!
MrSmokeyBaer 1 year ago
@TopCoolCat i THINK YOU HAVE CONFUSED ALEX WITH JIM MURPHY M8.
OH,AND I WOULD LIVE IN POVERTY IF IT MEANT ME GETTING MY HONOUR AND PRIDE BACK.REMEMBER,THE OPPOSITE OF INDEPENDENCE IS DEPENDENCE.ALL THE UNIONIST WHO CLAIM TO BE 'PROUD SCOTS' ARE NOTHING BUT MONEY-WHORES SELLING THEIR PRIDE FOR AN ENGLISH COCK IN THEIR ARSE.
m4rkyboy 1 year ago
Saor Alba!!!
mouthforwar17 1 year ago
FUCK BRITISH
CapitanFiro 1 year ago
Patrick, God bless ya for this! wat a good vid u put together! seriousness, pride, and a laugh or two...job well done!
kuhleskind 2 years ago
a dont even think any countries are in unions anymore, scotland is very capeable to handle its self, only countries that should be in unions are ones like etheopia, that need suport
Scotland on its own, doesnt even get into wars, its england that always pick fights and our troops have to go aswell
Rfc1Darryl 2 years ago 2
Tony Blair was the one who declared war.........>_>
CelticBriton 2 years ago
@Rfc1Darryl u not a rangers fan pal ur supposed to love britain
o0scotland0o 1 year ago
The truth is england wont grant us independence cos they need us they would crumbe without us and when we finally get our independence and our own goverment we will show the english how its done
CHRISSYCHAMBERS45 2 years ago
they cant stop us, if we as a nation pull out of britian, they cant do anything, alex salmond has even been to america talking about independence, the americans ul dive at any chance to fuck the english, also the UN would be on scotlands side if england started shit
England will try to make it difficult for us to get independence but, theyl do anything they can to slow us down
Rfc1Darryl 2 years ago
I'll tell Gordon brown (scottish) that then eh?
CelticBriton 2 years ago
we're right behind you.
irishfella1987 2 years ago 2
Scotland is free already - Tibet is NOT
DrPork4freedom 2 years ago
Scottish and Irish are not free until all english moose nuckles are deported back to Bavania !!
anoneagle 2 years ago
Kick the barbaric nazi blood of English out of Britain !! Britain belongs to the Good Scottsman !!
anoneagle 2 years ago
Video is pointless, Scotland also ran great britain >.>
Scotlandwooooo 2 years ago
without scotland .. n if wales n nothern ireland n england stayed in a union .. it would jus be called britian .. am a right ? scotlands apart of britian at the moment so its great britian
now its time to take the dirty red bit off the union jack .. n have a lovley nice saltire ... FREE BONNIE SCOTLAND
Rfc1Darryl 2 years ago 5
It still baffles me in a way that Scotland can't do it. It's horribly depressing. I'm 1/2 Scottish and even though I was raised in the US, my family instilled a strong sense of ethnic and cultural identity in me.
I want to be an ambassador in the UN one day to Scotland, but only if it's independent of England. One day.
codeaires 2 years ago
You can be Scotland's ambassador to the United States on independence. We'll put in a request with the Scottish Government ;o)
globaltraveller 2 years ago
It's a disgraceful idea that England should be able to vote on Scottish independence. Why on earth should you be allowed to make the decision for another country? You are foreign, Scotland's future isn't up to you. It's up to the Scots. We should have never been in the union, it was forced upon us - what would William Wallace think?!
Free Scotland once and for all.
WoodlandHunter 2 years ago 3
The break up of the union involves us all in Britain, I agree that no one in England should vote on Scots independence but we should not have to put up with them poncing off us if they fail to get independence.
All countrys in the Union should vote for themselves !
grimerwormtong 2 years ago
if you vote labour your a traitor to your own people vote snp
ahumanfly1975 2 years ago
I think us English should be allowed to vote on Scottish independence too.
The question is quite simple. Do we want to continue to be tied to, grant a disproportionate amount of power to, and lavishly subsidise, such a nation of whingers?
Given the chance I'd vote for Scottish independence today.
mpearson58 2 years ago
English should NOT be allowed to vote on Scottish independence NEVER its got nothing to do with england thats the problem with english allways sticking you nose in where its not wanted
ahumanfly1975 2 years ago
The whole of Britain should vote at the same time. The reason being that if Scotland votes against independence. The English would be stuck with Scotland with no say in it where as if we all voted. The countrys that vote to stay can stay but those that vote to leave can leave. 1 country deciding is not fair on the others. I believe this would end the debate about union once and for all. Thats each country voting for itself not a national vote. Hope Ive made myself clear.
grimerwormtong 2 years ago
we will always be whingers as long as we are attached to you thieving gypsies!!
free scotland 2010!
hoopybhoy74 2 years ago
Or perhaps we Scots should be allowed to vote on English independence. The question is quite simple. Do we want to be tied to, grant a disproportionate amount of power to, and lavishly subsidise over the last 40 years (with our natural resources - something England doesn't have), a nation of whinging underachievers?
Given the chance a great many Scots would have voted for English independence. Not today. But yesterday. And the week before. And last year. And 40 years ago.
globaltraveller 2 years ago
Thankfully most Scottish people want to do whats best for them, their future and their families. Im never quite sure what exactly is going to change apart from giving that incompetent joke of a Scottish Parliment even chances to screw up (try watching the news) I know it must be fun watching Braveheart, shouuting abuse across the border and having a good old time going on about battles over 600 years ago but maybe you could use all this passion for something constructive?
Niall101a 2 years ago
Say yes to us acting like every other country in the world.
The empire is dead, the future is ours.
Here's tae an independent Scotland!
rolandsausage 2 years ago 5
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shit video!
BRITISH AND PROUD!
bobslay12 2 years ago
Prat!
NeMeImpuneLacessit 2 years ago
Scotland should be free, I'll vote in 2010!
LorraniIV 2 years ago 18
I shall second that! INDEPENDENCE
alba4232 2 years ago 3
I
SUPPORT
SCOTTISH
INDEPENDENCE - M/19/Glasgow
glasgow1234 2 years ago 8
A social republic is the way foreward for an independant scotland!!!
next election when the snp get the majority in the parliament i'll vote "yes" on the referendum.
VOTE SSP!
euanrocks 2 years ago 2
I cant wait to call myself a Citizen of Scotland!!!!
Im so excited...
I LOVE MY COUNTRY!!
There is no harm in that is there??
Im voting YES for Independence in 2010
*from 19 year old Scot
glasgow1234 2 years ago 5
Good fer ye ma laddie!
Scotland forever! Alba gu brath! INDEPENDENCE
alba4232 2 years ago 2
EU elections 2009, SNP won 22 of the 32 councils.
That's a strong message to Westminster.
The Scottish People want to be Governed from Holyrood By The SNP.
S
TartanCheeks 2 years ago 3
steSNP 31% (up from 18% in 2005)
Labour 28% (down from 40% in 2005)
Conservative 17% (up from 16% in 2005)
Lib/Dem 16% (down from 23% in 2005)
These are the most recent figures according to a Poll for the Wastemonster election! INDEPENDENCE
alba4232 2 years ago
scottish indepence all the way! hope everything goes well for you guys next year with the vote and all! you have support from Wales..
lleullawgyffes123 2 years ago 23
and be careful on what kind of independence you will have, the English are a sneaky gang of filthy bastards, they stuck us the turks here with their gay plans.
Spartan307 2 years ago 2
Do it Scots ! Break free ! Become real Europeans !!!!
Spartan307 2 years ago 6
Scotland Shall be Independant,again .
HadriansWallForever 2 years ago 6
Alba Gu Brath
evo1dee4life 2 years ago 3
Please sign BROWN RESIGN PETITION on 10 Downing St
Over 47,000 so far!!
TartanCheeks 2 years ago
We're not exactly asking for much, we just want what is ours.
Freedom!
Then we can help Wales get theirs!
TartanCheeks 2 years ago 2
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I think you mean independence, which is different from freedom. To say Scotland doesn't have freedom is like saying Texas doesn't have freedom.
Medeasbiggestfan 2 years ago
We need freedom to choose independence!
TartanCheeks 2 years ago 5
You have it. All countries in the UK have the right of self-determination. Vote SNP for the Scottish Parliament and they'll hold a referendum.
Medeasbiggestfan 2 years ago 4
The SNP are a minority government.
Labour did a U-turn and blocked a referendum.
Remember Wendy Alexander's "bring it on" which Iain Gray backed??
TartanCheeks 2 years ago
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The fact that the SNP are a minority government shows that independence is not a priority for most Scots.
Personally, I think there should be a referendum on independence conducted along with every Scottish Parliamentary election, if for no other reason than to show that those who want independence are in a minority.
Medeasbiggestfan 2 years ago
Well, I think that once people start to realise that they have been subject to centuries of propaganda making them fear freedom and convincing them that they are better off in an unfair union they wll be more inclined towards independence. Once the brainwashing is removed we will see how many think independence is the normal way of things.
Saor Alba agus Alba gu bragh!
arisuta2 2 years ago 6
The SNP are highly respected by the Scottish people, the fact that they are in Government speaks volumes.
Why do you think the Unionists will not back a referendum on Scottish independence??
Scared they might loose???
Please sign BROWN RESIGN PETITION.
Now 52,586 signatures!
TartanCheeks 2 years ago 5
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I think a lot of unionists respect the SNP, voted for them in the 2007 election (in order to get Labour out) but would still vote no in a referendum on Scottish independence.
I really don't know why so many unionists don't want a referendum, every poll shows they would easily win.
I have already signed the petition.
Medeasbiggestfan 2 years ago
Labour may have emerged as the largest party after the first Holyrood elections , serving two terms in coalition with the Liberal Democrats until ..........
The SNP's victory in 2007 resulted in the SNP setting up the first minority Scottish Government.
What an achievement, the SNP are getting stronger by the day !
Bottom line we need our freedom to vote on independence!
TartanCheeks 2 years ago 3
Then why did only 32% of the Scottish people vote for the SNP in 2007, even at the height of Labour unpopularity due to Scottish PM Tony Blair's war on Iraq's children? If the majority of Scottish people wanted separatism then why aren't over 50% voting for the separatist party SNP? Boring chippies are boring.
Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago
"at the height of Labour unpopularity"
Labour are at 23% an all time record low. LOL
The lowest ever .... in any party!
The SNP support has gone up since 2007.
Try using up to date information!
TartanCheeks 2 years ago 2
Westminster:
SNP - 38%
Labour - 27%
Tory - 15%
LibDem - 14%
The Electoral Calculus gives the following Westminster seats analysis:
SNP - 37
Lab - 12
LD - 8
Con 2 this ia a recent Poll just thought I would add it to show how things stand! INDEPENDENCE
alba4232 2 years ago 3
alba4232,
Cheers for the info.
Some of theses unionists are their own worst enemy!
TartanCheeks 2 years ago 3
My pleasure! INDEPENDENCE!
alba4232 2 years ago
Nice looooll!!!!!! Saor Alba!
alba4232 2 years ago 4
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Well, good luck...
Ducentije 2 years ago
I'm from Québec who want to be indépendant too but we failed twice until now! so SNP they seem get some good information from my Province and Parti Québecois, what they should do to not failed like we did and get your own indépendance! hope you will support us one days!
Authentiko 2 years ago 2
And to boot a clip from Mel Gibson's ahistorical fictional piece Braveheart. Complied by a misty eyed American to make it all the more amusing.
Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago
I never claim the accuracy of the film, but the message that is imparted is completely true. I challenge you to research the role of Edward Longshanks in the subjugation, oppression, and rape of the Scottish nation.
Patriciocio777 2 years ago
I challenge you to pick up a history book and put aside Hollywood trash. Asserting a 19th century nationalist mentality on Middle Ages politics is far from true. If you had actually studied British history, you would realise, the continuous Scottish subjugation, opression and rape of the Northern English populances of Northumberland and Cumbria is much more vast, bloody and profound than any Plantagenet trying to overthrow a usurper (Bruce).
Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago
In fact I have studied British history, extensively. I have already agreed that I am less interested in "Hollywood trash" than I am in historical truth. The truth of the matter was that the Plantagenet dynasty under Edward raped and pillaged Scotland for far longer than you care to remember.
I'm sorry "counterrevolutionite" but your historical confusion simply will not hold against the misery caused by the English Empire.
Patriciocio777 2 years ago
Then why do you continue to put cross incorrect, elementary statements in regards to its history? There was no "English Empire", but a "Angevin Empire", as the Plantagenet dynasty from France inherited England. Unfortuently the family were unable to oust the usurper Bruce, but the Stuarts united our nation later on anyway. The subjugation, opression and rape of the Northern English populances of Northumberland and Cumbria by the Scottish between should serve as a historic artifact.
Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago
I would hardly describe my posts as either cross or incorrect. The "English Empire" I referred to was clearly a retrospective label, considering the English nation an "Empire" from the latin imperium, to rule.
Calling Britain a "nation" is a silly and incorrect statement that your fellow "nationals" would certainly dispute.
If you are so concerned for the Northern English, then why do you show none for the Scots, who have suffered and still suffer the indecency of subjugation?
Patriciocio777 2 years ago
You have to be kidding "suffer the indeceny of subjugation"? They run the country you dence yankee fuck. The Prime Minister is Scottish, read about the West Lothian question, the Barnett Formula, the fact that Scots can go to uni for free but English can't and then talk about "subjugation". You still have not explained away your continung subjugation of the Native American people who like in apartheid you have forced into reservations to this day.
Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago
well this is just ridiculous, and your awkward offensive ad hominem argument is getting you nowhere.
I do not seek to "explain away" the NA "question." That is not my point nor concern here. And the reservations are entirely voluntary at this point. They grant NA tax benefits, relieve them of state jurisdiction, and NA are allowed and encouraged to travel, migrate, move, and carry out lives as any Americans do.
Please don't come to me with your silly, strange, incorrect assumptions.
Patriciocio777 2 years ago
LOL @ charlatanry & lies of Scotland as a nation "subjigated" by England. This same Scotland whose king James VI came to the English throne. Who after an imperialistic experiment gone wrong in Panama came running to the English to bail them out for a union. Leading the empire in certain experiments such as the opium trade in China. The same politicans who run our country; Blair, Brown and Darling, dragging us into undemocratic wars against the wishes of most the people in our country.
Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago
If we are looking to history let's remember the actually signing of the Act without a referendum and under incredible duress from the neighbors down South. It is indisputable that England has exploited hundreds of millions of pounds in resources, labor, and taxes from her Northern brothers. The opium wars you mention were conducted by Scottish merchants, by no means representatives of the people or nation at large.
Patriciocio777 2 years ago
Dubious assertion. The biggest exploiters in the history of Scotland, are the Lowland Scots' exploitation of the Highland Scot. England is a country which is run by Scots and bleed it dry for benefits and social advantages not give to the English working classes. A person from Edinbrugh is better off than a person from Leeds. Scottish politicans, the elected representatives of the people decided to merge the Parliaments and so it was done. What this has to do with America I haven't the faintest.
Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago