I tell you sometihing, it's bullshit everytime i see that WT loses everbody says "this is no master bal bla bla" but if WT wins everbody say its the best fuckin' sport ever. WT was made for children and women.
I love how you find some schmuck off the street, put him in a Halloween costume and call him a "Master", then proceed to have a mid-belt schmuck do a basic takedown on him and declare that your style of grappling / fighting / MMA is obviously the best.
the beginning shows that is not wing chun, and also its just a beginer practicioner of kung fu, cus in wing chun we not usually use that tyoe of clothes haha
id be happy leave any kung fu, wushu, or wingchun or wtf ever practitioner the address of my gym and ill dump you on your head and beat your face in. ill call what im going to do then ruin you with it :)
i didnt see nan ounce of jui jitsu i nthat entire clip. I dont know what the hell Wing Tsun is but if thats a master it looks pretty damn bad. Two horrible fighters.
Personally, they both suck :D Wing Tsun is pretty crappy, true, but come on, the grappler is in better shape and has a massive conditioning advantage and also where is the ground n' pound? Further, NEVER allow others to give advice in a duel, its dishonorable. Tell your friends to STFU and think for yourself.
@wiggalama fuck u are so right when your friends are talking or coaching you in a fight like that bullshit no honor or respect. American fighter through the respect out the door now its muscle head white boys who go out and drink on the weekends and fight nobodies
@wiggalama WTF are you talking about, duels and shit? The grappler didn't want to mash the guy's brain-stem with ground and pound. Declining to further fuck up your opponent is honorable, not telling your friends not to give you their shitty advice. Grappler knew he was going to win and knew how to win without injuring his opponent.
Q: B4 the un-ban of sanda by the communist china most wushu just perfom taolu?
A: Maybe, but we never fight them, right?
Q: Traditional chinese M.A never have ring effective skill?
A: Today ring effective sanda skill derived from traditional M.A. skill
Q: Why wushu hav so much gymnastical unrealistic fighting?
A: at least wushu have something call Taolu(form) for an artistic representation compares to westerner who only know to build big musle point boxing or point wrestling
@seveneihgt "A: at least wushu have something call Taolu(form) for an artistic representation compares to westerner who only know to build big musle point boxing or point wrestling"
That is prejudiced my friend. We compete in the same Olympic sports you do, the difference is we don't value things like your culture does. We are different people, so why get angry if we don't like wushu. Plus, EVERYONE doesn't hate Wushu here, I'm sure there are people who love it. So please spare us the ignorance
But yes, I have to agree modern wushu do emphasized to much newer gymnastical form, they took out the fighting applications so they could jump higher and show more. Traditional Chinese martial arts don't have this requirement. You just go out and do it quickly.
And the dichotomy of chinese martial art application and form i think it just a crowd plaeser.
But, luckily chinese martial art application (at least) still live in sanda/sanshou
Ahhh, u guys just cant admit it wushu/kungdu/sanshou/sanda fighter all over the world beat the crap out of all wrestler/grappler bullshit/taunt (even without other style grappling)
@seveneihgt yeah just look at old Pride Fighting Championships almost all were kung fu wushu or sanda fighters.......oh no sorry none of them even came through the first round
So I guess the video isn't a fake, as evidenced by your own logic
@Toudiyama yeah just look at old FAKE Pride Fighting Championships almost all were kung fu wushu or sanda fighters.......oh no sorry none of them even came through the first round
yeah just look at Art OF War China, Philipines MMA, America MMA Championships almost all were kung fu wushu or sanda fighters.......oh no sorry all of them even came through and be champions over and over again
So I guess this video IS a fake, as evidenced by your own logic
@seveneihgt Some fights in the beginning of pride was worked. As it grew, it became a real sport. There may have been worked fights later on too, but I only have around three fights that I suspect might have been possible works. Pride FC was the best MMA FC in the world, and there'll never be anything like it again.. Sanda and san shou are very efficient styles though. Wushu.. not so much. The problem with kung fu is pride. The techniques are ancient, and that's part of the pride.
@spritsengiggle I think u ARE ill-informed or just watch too much way too much BBJ TV, or just die-hard fact ignoring.
Well, just FYI: Sanshou/sanda is just 1 of the element in the wushu curriculum, another wushu curriculum which u say is not effective is the Taolu(form).
Of course exercise form cannot be effective in real ring fighting.
@robertw6556 1) Cung Le has over 20 years of sanshou background and training. He knows how to defend the takedown from sanshou trainning. That allows him to use his excellent striking skills.
2) Bcoz all the top pro MMA/BBJ fighter tactics, strategy or skill level is not on par with him
3) 2 hour per week of amatuer wrestling or BJJ trainning not gonna help much coz in sanshou it got almost the samething including those "not ring effective" skill
@seveneihgt cung le did TKD from the age of 10 and at age 14 he started doing wrestling. In TKD he hold a black belt and a blue belt in BJJ
Cung le can be classified as the ultimate MMA fighter, from his BIO I get that he is a MMA fihter that excels in sanshou inthead of the other way around
@seveneihgt Actually Cung Le has been wrestling since he was 14 years old! He went on to wrestle in college and became California Junior College State Champion! His grappling background allows him to utilize his excellent sanshou striking skills without worrying about being taken to the ground. Unfortunately he never fought in the UFC so we won't know how far he could have gone.
@robertw6556 Actually those junior amatuer wrestling or wrestler are not know in the MMA world right now bcoz the junior amatuer wrestling are not so superior as your imagination.
Actually even the pro MMA Shamrock cant even defend Cung Le takedown with pro grappling vs Junior College State wrestler Cung Le
I find this video very suspect as said "Sifu" had no Wing Tsun positioning nor did he strike with Wing Tsun Techniques. Also note the padded floor, it is become something of a trend in these BJJ videos. If someone has some legitimate videos of BJJ in an uncontrolled environment (Involving Multiple attackers, Weapons, Various Terrains etc) please post as i have been searching for days and am unable to find evidence of BJJ being used in a practical situation. Thanks in advance.
@dark50killer Wǔshù literally means "martial art". It is formed from the two words (wǔ), meaning "martial" or "military" and (shù), which translates into "discipline", "skill" or "method.
@dark50killer No need to get offended friend , i was merely saying the LITERAL meaning of Wushu equates to martial arts. The term wushu has also become the name for the modern sport of wushu, an exhibition and full-contact sport of bare-handed and weapons forms adapted and judged to a set of aesthetic criteria for points developed since 1949 in the People's Republic of China. I was not correcting you, just pointing out some extra info thats all.
I do wingchun! And i like to see any wing-chun-grantmasters (guys, who actually had seen the janitor of bruce-lee once) been confronted with their disabled fighting-skills. What was the saying? Never wrestle a wrestler...
That was a joke out of real kung fu.Firstly where was the KF guys positioning? why was his centre unprotected? the mma had the most amateur shoot I have ever seen. He was very fortunate not to meet a real kung fu expert. LOL. Myth alot of grappling doesnt mean the be all of mma. people wont see monkey grappling in the cage because it's about ripping someones eyes,throat,thumb jabbing. breaking neck. so many styles will never enter a cage fight unless its to the death no rules
i dont understand why all the kung fu practitioners have such beef with mma, the term mma is pretty damn inclusive, matter a fact mma takes all the best applicable techniques from ANY martial art, including wing chung, as a matter a fact, my first instructer would have us do kung fu parrying drills from gaurd during bjj practice because it is actually an effective means to block punches in "certain" situatins, just stop being immature and stop drinking the hatoraide
wing chung = excelent for self defence against an unskilled oponent or even multiple unskilled openents wing chung= very very poor for mma, none of the fundamentles that make the art successful are allowed in mma, kung fu is a brutal art, groin kicks, throat strikes, eye gouges, and just about anyother way you could think of to end a fight against an unprepared opponent, when you take that away from the art it really takes alot of the effectiveness away,
A lot of people miss the importance of the learning curve. A guy who trains mma for a few months in mma can beat person who's trained in the older art for years. Even bruce lee said that.
As far as multiple attackers, I've seen a skater with no real training do that. It's a matter of who those multiple attackers are. That's always the excuse used when an mma fight trounces somebody of their discipline. As far as the brute strength being used, it's due to strength and conditionin training
I'm just curious where they dig these fighters up from for the mma vs karate/Kung Fu videos. I have a black belt in ITF TaeKwonDo, and i've never had much trouble if I didn't want to be hassled. You have to learn how to fight, you can't just take what you've been taught and say "this is the best". If you have a quality instructor, who has been in real situations, it makes all the difference.
* Guys, the problem with BJJ or any Jiujitsu practitioner is that once they engage in actual real streetfight with MORE THAN ONE attacker, the BJJ guy will be beaten to a pulp for the simplest reason that BJJ is only for one on one fights. PERIOD! =)
Dipshit, seems to me the grappler could have gone for the eyes too, so it still would have ended the same: with the wushu guy losing badly and in embarrassing fashion.
typical video of grappler bullying striker, there always has been more video of the grappler bullying strikers but very few videos of strikers knocking out a grappler b4 he gets the chance to do his thing, people should do MMA so they both have a fair game on both striking and ground fighting so please end this bullshit about grapplers vs strikers, just MMA vs MMA and whos got more skill is fair.
I like to see the grappler guy fight multiple fighters, because if you guys notice, grappling can only go one on one, unlike wushu or arnis or taekwondo, we can can against multiple fighters. don't get me wront I love grappling, but just pointing out the weakness.
What the fuck? The wushu guy lost against ONE person. What the hell makes you think you'd be able to take on "multiple fighters" when you can't even beat one? You KF idiots love sticking your heads in the sand.
@kommisar Um dude, no disrespect, but I wasnt really mentioning this guy in the vid. As I said, just pointing out the weakness of the art, not being rude. Ive only seen 2 or 3 people go against multiple attackers with the arts I learned which is arnis and taekwondo. Plus, heres a true story, there was actually a taekwondo fighter that my dad knew who actually beat up two huge football players in less than 30secs. plus with other witnesses. Point is Bjj is good, but not everything. Not being rude
It's not everything, but the "multiple attacker" scenario is bullshit because people think it's likely you'll win in such a situation. In that case, your best option is to get the hell out, not try to fight them off like in a KF movie.
@kommisar Actually running away would be the best option in any fight, considering that there are consequences by law and all that stuff. Plus the possibility of getting maimed. And yeah I do see your point about the over confidence that people have in the multiple attacker senario, but Im just saying, it's not bull #&$!, it's a very dangerous reality situation.
@kommisar Plus, I don't know y you thought that I was trying to refer to a kung fu (wushu actually) fight? That really dosen't catch what I'm saying at all. Lastly, i'm not a kung fu idiot, Im a martial artist. Plus dude, if you really want to know why people have these type of oppinions, just ask, and you might learn something including them learning something. Don't have to call people idiots. Again not being rude.
@kommisar Ooooh, 3 vs 1 is tuff to find. Anyway, there's "Taekwondo vs street fighter" which shows a very simple technique that can be used on one and go to another, and "recorded aikido fights" where it shows a guy with a yellow shirt vs 3 guys at Japan....or China? I can't tell. Anyway dude, Im just saying that if I did it against two guys, and so did bruce lee, yip man, ras butten, lamampao against multiple attackers, than it's POSSIBLE, but no gurrante. I would run if I had the chance.
@kommisar But there is an old saying said by Daeshik Kim. "talk if you will, walk away if you can, Run if you must, but, when all else fails, protect yourself". Sure I have confidence in myself when I fight as in anything else, but....as it even says in the bible, we are only HUMAN, we make mistakes. But anyway, if you really want to check other arts, then look at wing chun, taekwondo, muay thai, arnis, silat suffian bela diri, jeet kune do, judo, kendo, eskrima, hapkido, hung gar, bartitsu, etc
What does any of this have to do with anything, let alone KF? Bottom line is KF is full of dogma whose bullshit is made very apparent when you have the KF guy take on a guy from boxing or whatever.
I would like to see the grappler go at it with my 70 year old tai chi master! Then we will see how wushu does. In real life or battlefield combat, remember that real fights are never one on one. If you wrestle the guy his buddy quietly slides a knife between your ribs.
@kommisar Oh yea? I will give you a challenge. Do one of two things: Either show up to a tai chi master's class and ask for a personal combat demonstration (chinese who learned in china) or challenge/attack a little old chinese guy practicing tai chi at the park at 5:30 am and see what happens. I recommend option one. As a martial artist you owe it to yourself to check it out once. The hairs on your neck will be raised.. I promise.
I've passed by people practicing tai chi or taking a tai chi class plenty of times, and never once have I seen anything applicable to real life fighting. Tai chi is mainly a form of relaxation, exercise and competition, but none of it will make you a real fighter. Can you even show us a video of a tai chi guy fighting and using the "techniques" used in tai chi? Don't think so. Grow up.
@kommisar Lets see "Grow Up". Well I am 34 years old and have been training in martial arts since August 2nd, 1990. I remember because I came home to see George H W Bush declaring the 1st gulf war. I have studied Shotokan, Goshinjutsu, Taekwondo, Wushu Longfist, Wushu Broadsword, Wushu Staff, Traditional Longfist, Plumb Blossom Quan, 3-Point, Chen style tai chi, Chen tai chi sword. I have trained with world champions.
World champions in forms maybe, but you give no indication you have any sense of reality. "Master" Wong is just another Oriental fraud who teaches bullshido. Same tired formula: show a bunch of "cool-looking", fancy, elaborate moves ripped right out of an Oriental MA movie, on a compliant zombie. Can we see him or his students using these "techniques" for real on someone who's trying to kick their asses? Please reply once you have evidence as opposed to stories.
@kommisar I don't know where you live and if you have access to a great teacher in the area or not. My evidence would be to take a free lesson with a master who learned in China who teaches full combat Tai Chi. Ask him to show you combat applications in order to determine if you would like to commit to learning the style. If you are not blown away, then I am wrong. If you love martial arts, what do you have to lose? That is my evidence and depending on where you live it may be very close.
Why can't we simply see a video of one of these "masters"' students fighting or sparring? Where is this "combat tai chi" being applied in either a real life fight, a competitive fight or a full-contact sparring bout? What you've given is not evidence. It is simply a challenge -- so here's a challenge, a.k.a. "evidence", for you: Go to an MMA, boxing, kickboxing or MT school, ask someone there for a friendly, full-contact sparring bout and use your "combat tai chi" to win.
@kommisar I am not experienced with tai chi enough to use it yet. Only had a year of training. Oh, I get what you are saying: "Tai Chi won't help you fight guys that bounce up and down or wrestle while wearing gloves and fighting by rules" You are right. If you put gloves on a tai chi practitioners hands you are making it impossible to do most of what they do. I was talking about in real life, no rules, two on one.
Sorry? What the fuck does an open-fingered glove stop a tai chi guy from doing? Playing the guitar? Grow the fuck up, you loser. The gloves stop you from doing nothing other than helping prevent you from breaking your hand when you punch someone.
Again, dipshit, where can we see your "combat tai chi" practiced on a live opponent as opposed to a compliant, LARPing zombie?
@kommisar All you have to do if you want to win at MMA is train in wrestling and jujitsu and learn to roll onto your back with your feet in the air wrapped around the opponent like a promiscuous teen getting knocked up in the back seat of a car at a drive-in theatre! HAHAHAHAH LOL
I love martial arts but I just can't watch that stuff. K-1 kickboxing is the best. If it goes to the ground, get up. If you hug the opponent, separate. Cung Lee is the best at K-1 and he is a kung fu guy BTW!
No one really gives a fuck what you like and don't like. You're a KF fag. Your opinion means shit. You've never fought a day in your life, and you'd most definitely get your ass kicked by a white belt grappler or even a first-year high school wrestler. Your "combat tai chi" is obviously nothing but a bunch of marketing bullshit, especially when you can't even point out one example of it being used. Go back to your LARPing, jackass.
@kommisar Go back to rolling around on the ground with hot sweaty boys on your back with your feet in the air. Not that there is anything wrong with that, if that is what you like.
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There is your proof. In high school (16 yrs ago) when I had only done my martial arts and went up against a varsity wrestler, he could not even take me off my feet. I didn't pin him but I took him down and he could not take me down.
Nice. More typical KF bullshit demos where the "attacker" walks into an attack, freezes, then throws himself to the ground in play-acted "pain". Where's your fucking "combat tai chi" fight, asshole?
Sorry, not buying your wrestling story. You're just another round-eyed, LARPing loser. Please feel free to post yourself in a grappling match if you think I'm full of shit though.
@kommisar Our difference in theory is that I want to stay on my feet and you want to take everything to the ground. If you are outnumbered or if you are fighting in groups 2 on 2 or larger, it is essential to stay on your feet! It is common sense. That is the purpose for all of those stances, to prevent grappling. Even then, kung fu has ground fighting and grappling. All of the move you practice came from kung fu. It is the mother of all arts.
And you learn to keep standing via grappling, not learning shitty KF, idiot. KF guys get taken down at will. "Stances" don't do shit, you idiot. If KF is so good in grappling, why aren't KF guys winning grappling competitions? The best in the world use BJJ, wrestling, catch wrestling and judo. KF is never to be seen in any grappling competition.
Sorry, you obviously are as weak in history as you are in fighting. China was not the only country to do MA. Grow the fuck up, you imbecile.
@zigzigerblat Well actually old greece Wrestling is the mother of grappling, and kung fu is primarly a stand up striking art, my great uncle from China(yes full blooded chinese) and he was truely a master in various styles of kung fu like 5 animals, white lotus, drunken boxing and tie chi, I used to watch him when he visited(hes dead now and I respect him) but if he was to fight one of the Gracies or a good grappler(BJJ, Judo, Wrestling etc) he would simiply get owned, I know because I have do
@parks2000 done^ kung fu before and I still use some of the techniques but I use mainly Boxing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and only takedowns/defense of Judo(throws) and Wrestling(shoots) beace we have both a Judo black belt and a colleigent wrestler .
@parks2000 True, but BJJ comes from JJJ and you know where that came from.. Chi Na, tai chi etc...
Most styles of kung fu have a strategy to stay on their feet so they focus on strong stances, balance and catching the opponent off balance. Also, most moves focus on severely harming (ie eye, throat and arm breaks) the opponent who grabs anything on them. This is intended to prevent the whole grappling situation.
@parks2000 If you take a grappler/JJ guy who studied 3-4 years like most mma guys and put him up against a kung fu guy who studied 3-4 years the grappler/jj guy will win every time. On the other hand, a kung fu guy who has been training hard for 10-15 years would defeat the grappler/jj guy of equal experience (in the street with no rules or pads) In the ring with rules and pads it would not be such an easy battle but the kung fu guy would probably lose. Kung fu takes a long long time to learn
@kommisar I have only seen kung fu guys who have not practiced long. Take this video. The wushu guy has bad posture and starts with a very half assed kick with improper distance. If that was a kick from my teacher or me you would have seen no movement in the head or back. Furthermore, you would not be able to just take the kick and ignore it.
That's par for the course for KF guys. When do you see a KF guy who can throw a decent punch or kick outside of sanshou? Never. They all do the same flailing, uncoordinated crap to some degree or another.
What's more, your claims that KF guy would win a no-rules fight, and that all martial arts originated in China are contradicted by documented facts. Amazing how you losers claim to train for "real fights" when you have no grip on reality whatsoever.
@kommisar Out side of Sanshou? Sanshou is kung fu sparring. If a Kung Fu guy does not spar, how do you expect him to hang at all? Cung Le is not only a Sanshou champ but a K1 and MMA champ.
Kung Fu techniques are all eye jabs, throat strikes, temple shots and arm breaks, how do you expect them to work with gloves, rules and concern for human life? Sounds like your calling Cung Le bullshit.. I wander what would happen if you fought him? "Uh uh, and if ya don't knowww, now ya knowww"
It's a formalized sport, idiot. The only reason it's called KF is because it originated in China. However, it has little to nothing in common with most KF for the reasons I listed prior. Where are the "eye jabs" in sanshou then, dipshit? Better yet, where are they in your traditional KF? I've watched dozens of KF videos, and never once do I see any of these "deadly" attacks you blowhards always ramble about. You again dodge the issue, and repeat the usual bullshit KF propaganda. Loser.
@kommisar Like I said, there is no way you are going to use those techniques in sparring, its just wrong. You can go to Shaolin Temple, Beijing University or Wudang Mountain and you will see sanshou, if the kung fu practitioner does not do sanshou then they cannot be an example of KF against MMA.
Also, the fighting techniques in KF TChi must be demonstrated, they are not apparent. I didn't appreciate TC until I was shown. I promise you, you would be blow away if u knew what the moves were.
So how the fuck do you figure you'll be able to use them in a fight, dipshit? Furthermore, those techniques are simple and almost instinctive. A fucking child can poke someone in the eyes. You again cannot show any examples of your "too deadly for the ring" KF. Go back to your video games, LARPer.
Actually, it's not, because sanshou has closed gloves, the clinch is broken up much more frequently and there is no ground fighting. That's obviously NOT the same.
You are completely right about the other stuff. I'm so tired of these diehard KF believers and their bullshit. They go on and on about their eye pokes, yet you never see these in any KF videos. I asked this credulous loser for a video of his bullshit "combat tai chi". He's yet to give me one. Typical fake, KF bullshitter.
As I said in my comment, those werent my words, they were what I heard some traditional martial artist say when describing the differences between sanshou and KF.
Im not familiar with sanshou at all to be honest.
From the little ive seen from it, it looked like a muay thai clone....which is a good thing, by the way.
And yeah, the thing about eye pokes is that they arent the be all and end all...and ANYONE can use them.
I had some guy talking like eye pokes were devastating fight finishers LOL
I then told him he was wrong and that Ive seen a guy get eye gauged by a much bigger guy, then continue on to beat him!...and then beat an even bigger guy on the same night...and then fight AGAIN against Rickson Gracie!!!! ALL in the same night!
The guy was blinded for life afterwards...but he still won the fight!
But yeah, the fool didnt believe me so I uploaded the fights to my channel LOL
Let these KF tards try an eye poke and hit my arm or hand when I block it. See if their "art" teaches them how to deal with a sprained or broken finger.
Exactly, if they cant even win a cage fight, how the hell are these kung fu guys going to win a real fight on the street?
They always claim that grabbing the groin, biting the cock, scratching the ass, and pinching the nipples will win them the fight, but they seem to forget that ANYONE can do those moves too.
Except the MMA fighter will be more efficient with them due to overall superior fighting ability.
He has bad posture because kung fu falls apart when fighting for REAL!!!!!!!!
Watch any video of a traditional KF guy fighting against a real fighter and you will see they ALWAYS look like they have "bad posture" and look like total noobs.
You could put the BEST traditional KF guy with PERFECT posture when sparring noobs, against a real fighter and see him fall apart and his "posture" will be no different than a noobs.
We know about Cung Le. He hardly does KF. Sanshou is very non-traditional KF, and it has grappling, you idiot. All the bullshit KF cultists make about their silly "art", sanshou contradicts: It's competition based, there's pads and rules, they grapple, there's no silly "animal", absurd, LARP movements, it's taught by actual coaches rather than some bullshitting, narcissistic "master" with a meaningless rank, etc. So where's your "real" KF then, idiot?
Hahaha! "Not experienced much"? Did your "master" tell you that -- that you need to spend many, many years "training" under him until you're good enough to be able to use your "art" in a real fight? Wake the fuck up, credophile, that is a common mcdojo con, and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.
@kommisar I am learned to kick someone's ass by the age of 16. I am 34. I am not experienced much in tai chi. After over 20 years of training in many many styles from many many countries, I was introduced to tai chi and immediately saw the benefit. I am not even training in it now. It is on my to do list (find a great teacher). After all of those years I have never saw anything that remotely touches it. That is what I am saying. The style is so dense it takes a while to learn it.
@kommisar Hey, you know where to find a tai chi master. If you are so sure, don't say a word, just sucker punch them and try to grapple with them! Go ahead, see what happens! I know a master who could break your neck while only touching your wrist. If you want to be honorable, show up to their class and challenge them. They are arrogant and eager to gain a new student. If you challenge a master, you will cow tow and beg for him to teach you after that like a kung fu movie.
Still waiting on your video, coward. You're welcome any time to come by an MMA school and put your money where your mouth is. In the meantime, I HAVE trained with/seen KF guys, and none of them can grapple or fight for shit.
@kommisar I have never bragged about myself. I spoke of tai chi masters from china, including one of my teachers. I am in need of hernia surgery right now and will be handing out no challenges soon. However, I am certain that I could kick your ass, even in my weakened state! HAHAHAHAH
No experienced martial artist would speak with such ignorance and lack of respect. Aside from that, unless you are a super heavy weight, I doubt you would look forward to stepping in the ring with me.
Why can't we see one of your tai chi "master's" students then? Again, idiot, provide some proof your stupid LARP shit works.
Sorry, you seem to be confused. This is reality, not Oriental Fantasy Land. Real fighters often DO talk shit. You have been brainwashed with a lot of bullshit, like your comment on trash talking. Again, I've seen tai chi and trained with KF guys. They can't fight. Neither can you. You're a fucking joke who's never fought a day in his life. Go jump off a cliff.
@kommisar I'm tired of this broken record. Sounds like you took too many blows to the head. Just remember who created every single move you use every time you fight.
Sounds like you're a mystified idiot with no education. Martial arts didn't originate in China, you imbecile; they have sprouted up from every region on earth. Boxing and wrestling, two of the most popular styles in the world, originated in Egypt and Greece respectively. You know fuck all. Continue being an ignorant peasant who can't fight.
@SkemeKOS Ok, I'll grant you: wrestling, fencing, medieval reenactment, islamic broadsword, French Kickboxing and the style that African guy from Blood Sport did, do not come from China; but everything else originated from Shaolin Temple or Wudang Mountain.
@SkemeKOS Oh I am sure they are going to send an astronaut up there to pull our flag out and place their own. That would be hilarious as we no longer have our own manned space program! We would never come up with the money to replace that damn flag!
You are very refreshing compared to Kommisar. Talking to that guy is like pulling teeth. : )
@SkemeKOS One thing that I have learned over the years studying many martial arts is that you need to pick one thing and stick with it to get to a higher level of skill. Otherwise you keep starting over. I picked Chinese styles because there are thousands and they all fit together like lego blocks to I can teacher-hop without starting over. MMA and BJJ are very popular in the US so you can do the same with those. We are all martial artists. We should stick together and rag on football or wtever.
Sometimes(well....most times, actually) us martial artists/fans are way too disrespectful to each other and our arts.
Im totally guilty of it too.
I guess I only do it to try and help people(mostly traditional martial artists) learn that MMA/BJJ or whatever IS a beautiful art and IS effective in real life...more so than traditional martial arts in my personal opinion.
Ideally, it would be much better if there was no conflict at all.
@SkemeKOS I don't think we really disagree at all. The way I see it, I learned to fight in 6 years and I wanted to keep learning beyond that for the joy of conditioning and practice. This is how I found KF and Tai Chi. They are infinitely complex styles that get more complex the better you get. A puzzle that can never be solved.
The most effective fighting styles can turn you into a respectable fighter in 3 years like the styles you mentioned. KF & TC take 10 year or more to be effective.
@SkemeKOS Oh when I said 10 years to be effective, I meant that you can't begin to fight with it until after 10 years of practice. In China where they train like maniacs, it takes 15 years of training 3, 2-hour sessions per day, 6 days per week to be considered a kung fu master. They start at 5-6 and can be a master by 19-20. Then they can begin teaching but are not master instructors until later. Every master I met who trained in China refused the title though they trained 30+ years.
@SkemeKOS Again, not trying to go down the debate path again. I just wanted to illustrate how insanely complicated the art is. After I felt confident in my self defense, I just wanted to learn and practice crazy moves. It is an intellectual form of conditioning and meditation. It is an obsession. So you see that people who chose this path do so because they have a completely different motivation. That is why we should stick together as martial artists and enjoy our paths.
@SkemeKOS There is something magic about the end result if properly practiced but it is a long time coming. The reason I don't mind waiting is because learned to fight with goshinjutsu, judo, akido, jujitsu early on. I even think that fighting is 33-50% of KF and TC. These styles are much larger than just fighting, they are medicine, meditation, conditioning and life preserving. I think an advanced practitioner is less likely to be seriously injured by falling, car accidents, animals...
@SkemeKOS Oh I am sure they are going to send an astronaut up there to pull our flag out and place their own. That would be hilarious as we no longer have our own manned space program! We would never come up with the money to replace that damn flag!
You are very refreshing compared to Kommisar. Talking to that guy is like pulling teeth. : )
@kommisar Oh, this is the shit. This is what real fighting looks like. This is actual free sparring with tai chi. If you only watch one video, check this out.
@kommisar Yes there are videos showing combat application tai chi. If you search "combat tai chi master wong" on youtube. From what I can gather of your school of thought, I chose master wong because my friend of the same school of thought loves him. I prefer just searching "combat tai chi" and looking for little old men kicking ass. In any case, Tai Chi is only a form for relaxation, exercise and competition when taught improperly. It must be taught with combat application to be real.
@specialforces69 Well, It wasn't Chinese actually..who totally defeated ROMANS. China was defeated by that weakest country called Japan back in years & years ago ....
The most scariest of all was..... back in a old time.. MONGOLS.....
Well, anyway The guy must be a some arsehole to you guys to begin with i start to reconsider...LOL
THIS IS NOT WING CHUN!
it's Ving Tjuen. oh sorry wait, it's Wing Tzun.
I tell you sometihing, it's bullshit everytime i see that WT loses everbody says "this is no master bal bla bla" but if WT wins everbody say its the best fuckin' sport ever. WT was made for children and women.
GRAPPLING WINS!!!! WUAH HA HAAAA
DerFragensteller 3 weeks ago
my favorite part of the video is all the KungFu fans that are still in denial. Don't worry I am sure that stuff really works!
lancejujitsu 1 month ago
numpties
hudders128 2 months ago
I love how you find some schmuck off the street, put him in a Halloween costume and call him a "Master", then proceed to have a mid-belt schmuck do a basic takedown on him and declare that your style of grappling / fighting / MMA is obviously the best.
mobrien13 2 months ago 2
That guy was a master of wing chun? wtf
EBB47 2 months ago
the beginning shows that is not wing chun, and also its just a beginer practicioner of kung fu, cus in wing chun we not usually use that tyoe of clothes haha
WingChunEcuador 3 months ago
id be happy leave any kung fu, wushu, or wingchun or wtf ever practitioner the address of my gym and ill dump you on your head and beat your face in. ill call what im going to do then ruin you with it :)
abway88 3 months ago
Watching this fight, that is not a Kung Fu practitioner of any kind at any level, let alone an advanced one, I promise you.
Learn any style and you will see why the beginning of the video tells us that.
TheAppifier 4 months ago
this is not wing chun
txt1040 4 months ago
Puta cara Burro meu.
halver1990 4 months ago
I can't identify any kung fu technique or stance there
fake kung fu video
Ebis77 4 months ago
did anybody hear the snap at the end?
RoosterRuley 4 months ago
@RoosterRuley yeah, sounds not very healthy
Flow1987 4 months ago
i didnt see nan ounce of jui jitsu i nthat entire clip. I dont know what the hell Wing Tsun is but if thats a master it looks pretty damn bad. Two horrible fighters.
26692 5 months ago
Personally, they both suck :D Wing Tsun is pretty crappy, true, but come on, the grappler is in better shape and has a massive conditioning advantage and also where is the ground n' pound? Further, NEVER allow others to give advice in a duel, its dishonorable. Tell your friends to STFU and think for yourself.
wiggalama 5 months ago 2
@wiggalama fuck u are so right when your friends are talking or coaching you in a fight like that bullshit no honor or respect. American fighter through the respect out the door now its muscle head white boys who go out and drink on the weekends and fight nobodies
young0813 5 months ago
@wiggalama Wing Chun is not crappy you fucking idiot.
it depends on the person
rockloverdude 4 months ago
@wiggalama WTF are you talking about, duels and shit? The grappler didn't want to mash the guy's brain-stem with ground and pound. Declining to further fuck up your opponent is honorable, not telling your friends not to give you their shitty advice. Grappler knew he was going to win and knew how to win without injuring his opponent.
M0RACCA 3 months ago
frist off, this is not Wing Chun cockheads, nothing like it.
Made me laugh
karimzo21 5 months ago
that first kick shows that man is terrible at wing chun
kain50144 5 months ago
as soon as the guy fell down i knew the fight was over
Shadow2271 6 months ago
Only Jet Lee in the movie Fearless can beat the Grappler! lol
DanielBodnar 6 months ago
Example of raping....
DkBieber1 6 months ago
this is not Wing Tsun o.õ
janeazeas 6 months ago
Q: B4 the un-ban of sanda by the communist china most wushu just perfom taolu?
A: Maybe, but we never fight them, right?
Q: Traditional chinese M.A never have ring effective skill?
A: Today ring effective sanda skill derived from traditional M.A. skill
Q: Why wushu hav so much gymnastical unrealistic fighting?
A: at least wushu have something call Taolu(form) for an artistic representation compares to westerner who only know to build big musle point boxing or point wrestling
seveneihgt 6 months ago
@seveneihgt "A: at least wushu have something call Taolu(form) for an artistic representation compares to westerner who only know to build big musle point boxing or point wrestling"
That is prejudiced my friend. We compete in the same Olympic sports you do, the difference is we don't value things like your culture does. We are different people, so why get angry if we don't like wushu. Plus, EVERYONE doesn't hate Wushu here, I'm sure there are people who love it. So please spare us the ignorance
HavahdYahdHahrry 6 months ago
@seveneihgt lol!!! i hope this is a joke because it's hilarious!!!
knownpornographer 5 months ago
But yes, I have to agree modern wushu do emphasized to much newer gymnastical form, they took out the fighting applications so they could jump higher and show more. Traditional Chinese martial arts don't have this requirement. You just go out and do it quickly.
And the dichotomy of chinese martial art application and form i think it just a crowd plaeser.
But, luckily chinese martial art application (at least) still live in sanda/sanshou
seveneihgt 6 months ago
Ahhh, u guys just cant admit it wushu/kungdu/sanshou/sanda fighter all over the world beat the crap out of all wrestler/grappler bullshit/taunt (even without other style grappling)
seveneihgt 6 months ago
@seveneihgt You must be under 18.
catguy00 6 months ago
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OKOK. This video, UFC, or Pride is all REAL...
All kungfu/ wushu/ sanshou/ sanda champions of Art OF War China, Philipines MMA, America MMA Championships are all FAKE!!!
Dont bother me anymore pls...
seveneihgt 6 months ago
This is soo poor...This is why again is proven that Kung Fu doesnt work. A speccially cuz the other guy is an amateur also.
minasz 6 months ago
Can we say this video is fake?
Yes, why?
bcoz currently america MMA, philipines MMA, china MMA, or other country MMA champions are all kungfu/wushu/sanshou/sanda fighter...
And all the pro grappler 95% cant even touch them let alone take them 2 the ground(example: Cung Le)
seveneihgt 6 months ago
@seveneihgt yeah just look at old Pride Fighting Championships almost all were kung fu wushu or sanda fighters.......oh no sorry none of them even came through the first round
So I guess the video isn't a fake, as evidenced by your own logic
Toudiyama 6 months ago
@Toudiyama yeah just look at old FAKE Pride Fighting Championships almost all were kung fu wushu or sanda fighters.......oh no sorry none of them even came through the first round
yeah just look at Art OF War China, Philipines MMA, America MMA Championships almost all were kung fu wushu or sanda fighters.......oh no sorry all of them even came through and be champions over and over again
So I guess this video IS a fake, as evidenced by your own logic
seveneihgt 6 months ago
@seveneihgt Some fights in the beginning of pride was worked. As it grew, it became a real sport. There may have been worked fights later on too, but I only have around three fights that I suspect might have been possible works. Pride FC was the best MMA FC in the world, and there'll never be anything like it again.. Sanda and san shou are very efficient styles though. Wushu.. not so much. The problem with kung fu is pride. The techniques are ancient, and that's part of the pride.
spritsengiggle 6 months ago
@spritsengiggle I think u ARE ill-informed or just watch too much way too much BBJ TV, or just die-hard fact ignoring.
Well, just FYI: Sanshou/sanda is just 1 of the element in the wushu curriculum, another wushu curriculum which u say is not effective is the Taolu(form).
Of course exercise form cannot be effective in real ring fighting.
seveneihgt 6 months ago
@seveneihgt
1) Cung Le has a wrestling backgound and BJJ training. He knows how to defend the takedown. That allows him to use his excellent striking skills.
2) He hasn't fought any top fighters yet. That isn't a slag on him. He wants to focus on his movie career which is fine.
robertw6556 6 months ago
@robertw6556 1) Cung Le has over 20 years of sanshou background and training. He knows how to defend the takedown from sanshou trainning. That allows him to use his excellent striking skills.
2) Bcoz all the top pro MMA/BBJ fighter tactics, strategy or skill level is not on par with him
3) 2 hour per week of amatuer wrestling or BJJ trainning not gonna help much coz in sanshou it got almost the samething including those "not ring effective" skill
seveneihgt 6 months ago
@seveneihgt cung le did TKD from the age of 10 and at age 14 he started doing wrestling. In TKD he hold a black belt and a blue belt in BJJ
Cung le can be classified as the ultimate MMA fighter, from his BIO I get that he is a MMA fihter that excels in sanshou inthead of the other way around
Toudiyama 6 months ago
@seveneihgt Actually Cung Le has been wrestling since he was 14 years old! He went on to wrestle in college and became California Junior College State Champion! His grappling background allows him to utilize his excellent sanshou striking skills without worrying about being taken to the ground. Unfortunately he never fought in the UFC so we won't know how far he could have gone.
robertw6556 6 months ago
@robertw6556 Actually those junior amatuer wrestling or wrestler are not know in the MMA world right now bcoz the junior amatuer wrestling are not so superior as your imagination.
Actually even the pro MMA Shamrock cant even defend Cung Le takedown with pro grappling vs Junior College State wrestler Cung Le
seveneihgt 6 months ago
@robertw6556 Oh look at all those college wresler or California Junior College State Champion that win MMA with they junior wrestling skill !!!
Oh wait, they cant...
seveneihgt 6 months ago
Wushu is the equivalent of a dance...
INexasI 7 months ago
I find this video very suspect as said "Sifu" had no Wing Tsun positioning nor did he strike with Wing Tsun Techniques. Also note the padded floor, it is become something of a trend in these BJJ videos. If someone has some legitimate videos of BJJ in an uncontrolled environment (Involving Multiple attackers, Weapons, Various Terrains etc) please post as i have been searching for days and am unable to find evidence of BJJ being used in a practical situation. Thanks in advance.
MrCoffeebags 7 months ago
Please change the video to Grappling vs Wing Tsun, if you have any (enormous) lack in martial arts don't put any random name.
Wushu have nothing to do with fighting techniques, Wushu is all about shows.
dark50killer 7 months ago
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MrCoffeebags 7 months ago
@dark50killer Wǔshù literally means "martial art". It is formed from the two words (wǔ), meaning "martial" or "military" and (shù), which translates into "discipline", "skill" or "method.
MrCoffeebags 7 months ago
@MrCoffeebags mate I know the hell what the names mean because I myself practice Kung Fu whatsoever, Wushu is not made for sparring.
Wushu is an show mostly martial art.
dark50killer 7 months ago
@dark50killer No need to get offended friend , i was merely saying the LITERAL meaning of Wushu equates to martial arts. The term wushu has also become the name for the modern sport of wushu, an exhibition and full-contact sport of bare-handed and weapons forms adapted and judged to a set of aesthetic criteria for points developed since 1949 in the People's Republic of China. I was not correcting you, just pointing out some extra info thats all.
MrCoffeebags 7 months ago
Ouch, it looked like his shoulder broke
hazmatac 7 months ago
You guys say he's a master, but he doesn't even get in the wing chun stance...
hazmatac 7 months ago
Big guy picking on small guy,, Bunch of punks,,,I will carve this fat pig like a turkey with my pocket knife and I am only 15..
noformstyle 7 months ago
it's not wing chun.
tengokunoshi 7 months ago
xD fake and gay
tengokunoshi 7 months ago
I do wingchun! And i like to see any wing-chun-grantmasters (guys, who actually had seen the janitor of bruce-lee once) been confronted with their disabled fighting-skills. What was the saying? Never wrestle a wrestler...
11Kralle 7 months ago
Them stupid ass wing tsun ppl i been trying to tell them it dont work....
eddiereyes1988 7 months ago
That was a joke out of real kung fu.Firstly where was the KF guys positioning? why was his centre unprotected? the mma had the most amateur shoot I have ever seen. He was very fortunate not to meet a real kung fu expert. LOL. Myth alot of grappling doesnt mean the be all of mma. people wont see monkey grappling in the cage because it's about ripping someones eyes,throat,thumb jabbing. breaking neck. so many styles will never enter a cage fight unless its to the death no rules
ryukenb2k 7 months ago
VEM COMIGO VCS COLOCAM EESE MAGRELO RUI PRA BECHIGA PRA DEFAMAR O KUNG FU! QUERO VER SE ELE ME DERRUBA NO CHÃO !!
luistifani 7 months ago
Dude, Wushu is the form aspect of Kung Fu. Not real fighting. Of course he would lose.
mansondevil33 7 months ago
@mmaspec Master/Sifu of Wing Tsun ??? You are probably kidding. The beginning of the fight is the evidence.!
solistas95 7 months ago 2
lmao the kung fu guy tries to eye gouge and bite ears, now i see why the mma guy broke the kung fu guy's arm lmao
To0t 7 months ago
i dont understand why all the kung fu practitioners have such beef with mma, the term mma is pretty damn inclusive, matter a fact mma takes all the best applicable techniques from ANY martial art, including wing chung, as a matter a fact, my first instructer would have us do kung fu parrying drills from gaurd during bjj practice because it is actually an effective means to block punches in "certain" situatins, just stop being immature and stop drinking the hatoraide
sharkfinnigan 7 months ago
wing chung = excelent for self defence against an unskilled oponent or even multiple unskilled openents wing chung= very very poor for mma, none of the fundamentles that make the art successful are allowed in mma, kung fu is a brutal art, groin kicks, throat strikes, eye gouges, and just about anyother way you could think of to end a fight against an unprepared opponent, when you take that away from the art it really takes alot of the effectiveness away,
sharkfinnigan 7 months ago
Uhhm that one guy is not a Wing Chun practitioner.
hibyeeee2 7 months ago 2
I think i hear a bone break
zannteo 8 months ago 2
A lot of people miss the importance of the learning curve. A guy who trains mma for a few months in mma can beat person who's trained in the older art for years. Even bruce lee said that.
As far as multiple attackers, I've seen a skater with no real training do that. It's a matter of who those multiple attackers are. That's always the excuse used when an mma fight trounces somebody of their discipline. As far as the brute strength being used, it's due to strength and conditionin training
LASuxs 8 months ago
I'm just curious where they dig these fighters up from for the mma vs karate/Kung Fu videos. I have a black belt in ITF TaeKwonDo, and i've never had much trouble if I didn't want to be hassled. You have to learn how to fight, you can't just take what you've been taught and say "this is the best". If you have a quality instructor, who has been in real situations, it makes all the difference.
Coads301 8 months ago
two guys hugging on the floor?
043367747 8 months ago
Once it goes to the ground the only thing that wins is BJJ hands down, sorry strikers
jungenbum 8 months ago
more mma worshiping morons. Worthless video,
Bastion83 8 months ago 2
Theres no wing tsun in there,
topbunnykingofthehut 8 months ago
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The wrestler is more big and strong and his ju jitsu also :)
SpikeFincher 8 months ago
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SpikeFincher 8 months ago
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* Guys, the problem with BJJ or any Jiujitsu practitioner is that once they engage in actual real streetfight with MORE THAN ONE attacker, the BJJ guy will be beaten to a pulp for the simplest reason that BJJ is only for one on one fights. PERIOD! =)
wutingchou 9 months ago
not a good representation of wushu at all. Plus the wrestler is in exellent shape while the other guy......
Fretz1987 9 months ago 2
i heard a crack :D yummy ewwww
JIZZZification 9 months ago
Sounded like that dude's elbow got fucked up.
DonovonCrane 9 months ago
Dipshit, seems to me the grappler could have gone for the eyes too, so it still would have ended the same: with the wushu guy losing badly and in embarrassing fashion.
kommisar 9 months ago
typical video of grappler bullying striker, there always has been more video of the grappler bullying strikers but very few videos of strikers knocking out a grappler b4 he gets the chance to do his thing, people should do MMA so they both have a fair game on both striking and ground fighting so please end this bullshit about grapplers vs strikers, just MMA vs MMA and whos got more skill is fair.
HomasterX 9 months ago
I like to see the grappler guy fight multiple fighters, because if you guys notice, grappling can only go one on one, unlike wushu or arnis or taekwondo, we can can against multiple fighters. don't get me wront I love grappling, but just pointing out the weakness.
Jericho11894 9 months ago
What the fuck? The wushu guy lost against ONE person. What the hell makes you think you'd be able to take on "multiple fighters" when you can't even beat one? You KF idiots love sticking your heads in the sand.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar Um dude, no disrespect, but I wasnt really mentioning this guy in the vid. As I said, just pointing out the weakness of the art, not being rude. Ive only seen 2 or 3 people go against multiple attackers with the arts I learned which is arnis and taekwondo. Plus, heres a true story, there was actually a taekwondo fighter that my dad knew who actually beat up two huge football players in less than 30secs. plus with other witnesses. Point is Bjj is good, but not everything. Not being rude
Jericho11894 8 months ago
It's not everything, but the "multiple attacker" scenario is bullshit because people think it's likely you'll win in such a situation. In that case, your best option is to get the hell out, not try to fight them off like in a KF movie.
kommisar 8 months ago
@kommisar Actually running away would be the best option in any fight, considering that there are consequences by law and all that stuff. Plus the possibility of getting maimed. And yeah I do see your point about the over confidence that people have in the multiple attacker senario, but Im just saying, it's not bull #&$!, it's a very dangerous reality situation.
Jericho11894 8 months ago
It's a lot more dangerous if you rely on KF as if it works like they say it does.
kommisar 8 months ago
@kommisar Plus, I don't know y you thought that I was trying to refer to a kung fu (wushu actually) fight? That really dosen't catch what I'm saying at all. Lastly, i'm not a kung fu idiot, Im a martial artist. Plus dude, if you really want to know why people have these type of oppinions, just ask, and you might learn something including them learning something. Don't have to call people idiots. Again not being rude.
Jericho11894 8 months ago
Please show a video of an art that effectively teaches one how to beat 3 people at once. Show resisting attackers too.
kommisar 8 months ago
@kommisar sdgfjskfjlj
Jericho11894 8 months ago
@kommisar Ooooh, 3 vs 1 is tuff to find. Anyway, there's "Taekwondo vs street fighter" which shows a very simple technique that can be used on one and go to another, and "recorded aikido fights" where it shows a guy with a yellow shirt vs 3 guys at Japan....or China? I can't tell. Anyway dude, Im just saying that if I did it against two guys, and so did bruce lee, yip man, ras butten, lamampao against multiple attackers, than it's POSSIBLE, but no gurrante. I would run if I had the chance.
Jericho11894 8 months ago
@kommisar But there is an old saying said by Daeshik Kim. "talk if you will, walk away if you can, Run if you must, but, when all else fails, protect yourself". Sure I have confidence in myself when I fight as in anything else, but....as it even says in the bible, we are only HUMAN, we make mistakes. But anyway, if you really want to check other arts, then look at wing chun, taekwondo, muay thai, arnis, silat suffian bela diri, jeet kune do, judo, kendo, eskrima, hapkido, hung gar, bartitsu, etc
Jericho11894 8 months ago
What does any of this have to do with anything, let alone KF? Bottom line is KF is full of dogma whose bullshit is made very apparent when you have the KF guy take on a guy from boxing or whatever.
kommisar 8 months ago
@kommisar d
Wisprs 8 months ago
wtf i this?
chubsters182 10 months ago
I would like to see the grappler go at it with my 70 year old tai chi master! Then we will see how wushu does. In real life or battlefield combat, remember that real fights are never one on one. If you wrestle the guy his buddy quietly slides a knife between your ribs.
zigzigerblat 10 months ago
Hahaha! Tai chi and the battlefield.... OK, dickhead, enjoy your delusions. Guess there's a video of you stabbing people or something?
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar Oh yea? I will give you a challenge. Do one of two things: Either show up to a tai chi master's class and ask for a personal combat demonstration (chinese who learned in china) or challenge/attack a little old chinese guy practicing tai chi at the park at 5:30 am and see what happens. I recommend option one. As a martial artist you owe it to yourself to check it out once. The hairs on your neck will be raised.. I promise.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
I've passed by people practicing tai chi or taking a tai chi class plenty of times, and never once have I seen anything applicable to real life fighting. Tai chi is mainly a form of relaxation, exercise and competition, but none of it will make you a real fighter. Can you even show us a video of a tai chi guy fighting and using the "techniques" used in tai chi? Don't think so. Grow up.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar Lets see "Grow Up". Well I am 34 years old and have been training in martial arts since August 2nd, 1990. I remember because I came home to see George H W Bush declaring the 1st gulf war. I have studied Shotokan, Goshinjutsu, Taekwondo, Wushu Longfist, Wushu Broadsword, Wushu Staff, Traditional Longfist, Plumb Blossom Quan, 3-Point, Chen style tai chi, Chen tai chi sword. I have trained with world champions.
Trust me, you must give it a try.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
World champions in forms maybe, but you give no indication you have any sense of reality. "Master" Wong is just another Oriental fraud who teaches bullshido. Same tired formula: show a bunch of "cool-looking", fancy, elaborate moves ripped right out of an Oriental MA movie, on a compliant zombie. Can we see him or his students using these "techniques" for real on someone who's trying to kick their asses? Please reply once you have evidence as opposed to stories.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar I don't know where you live and if you have access to a great teacher in the area or not. My evidence would be to take a free lesson with a master who learned in China who teaches full combat Tai Chi. Ask him to show you combat applications in order to determine if you would like to commit to learning the style. If you are not blown away, then I am wrong. If you love martial arts, what do you have to lose? That is my evidence and depending on where you live it may be very close.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
Why can't we simply see a video of one of these "masters"' students fighting or sparring? Where is this "combat tai chi" being applied in either a real life fight, a competitive fight or a full-contact sparring bout? What you've given is not evidence. It is simply a challenge -- so here's a challenge, a.k.a. "evidence", for you: Go to an MMA, boxing, kickboxing or MT school, ask someone there for a friendly, full-contact sparring bout and use your "combat tai chi" to win.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar I am not experienced with tai chi enough to use it yet. Only had a year of training. Oh, I get what you are saying: "Tai Chi won't help you fight guys that bounce up and down or wrestle while wearing gloves and fighting by rules" You are right. If you put gloves on a tai chi practitioners hands you are making it impossible to do most of what they do. I was talking about in real life, no rules, two on one.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
Sorry? What the fuck does an open-fingered glove stop a tai chi guy from doing? Playing the guitar? Grow the fuck up, you loser. The gloves stop you from doing nothing other than helping prevent you from breaking your hand when you punch someone.
Again, dipshit, where can we see your "combat tai chi" practiced on a live opponent as opposed to a compliant, LARPing zombie?
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar All you have to do if you want to win at MMA is train in wrestling and jujitsu and learn to roll onto your back with your feet in the air wrapped around the opponent like a promiscuous teen getting knocked up in the back seat of a car at a drive-in theatre! HAHAHAHAH LOL
I love martial arts but I just can't watch that stuff. K-1 kickboxing is the best. If it goes to the ground, get up. If you hug the opponent, separate. Cung Lee is the best at K-1 and he is a kung fu guy BTW!
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
No one really gives a fuck what you like and don't like. You're a KF fag. Your opinion means shit. You've never fought a day in your life, and you'd most definitely get your ass kicked by a white belt grappler or even a first-year high school wrestler. Your "combat tai chi" is obviously nothing but a bunch of marketing bullshit, especially when you can't even point out one example of it being used. Go back to your LARPing, jackass.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar Go back to rolling around on the ground with hot sweaty boys on your back with your feet in the air. Not that there is anything wrong with that, if that is what you like.
/watch?v=J8RNgsoyJv8
/watch?v=RbCV3Vj9fhQ
/watch?v=x_luDzL03vw
/watch?v=AyIBjUvi-4s
There is your proof. In high school (16 yrs ago) when I had only done my martial arts and went up against a varsity wrestler, he could not even take me off my feet. I didn't pin him but I took him down and he could not take me down.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
Nice. More typical KF bullshit demos where the "attacker" walks into an attack, freezes, then throws himself to the ground in play-acted "pain". Where's your fucking "combat tai chi" fight, asshole?
Sorry, not buying your wrestling story. You're just another round-eyed, LARPing loser. Please feel free to post yourself in a grappling match if you think I'm full of shit though.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar Our difference in theory is that I want to stay on my feet and you want to take everything to the ground. If you are outnumbered or if you are fighting in groups 2 on 2 or larger, it is essential to stay on your feet! It is common sense. That is the purpose for all of those stances, to prevent grappling. Even then, kung fu has ground fighting and grappling. All of the move you practice came from kung fu. It is the mother of all arts.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
And you learn to keep standing via grappling, not learning shitty KF, idiot. KF guys get taken down at will. "Stances" don't do shit, you idiot. If KF is so good in grappling, why aren't KF guys winning grappling competitions? The best in the world use BJJ, wrestling, catch wrestling and judo. KF is never to be seen in any grappling competition.
Sorry, you obviously are as weak in history as you are in fighting. China was not the only country to do MA. Grow the fuck up, you imbecile.
kommisar 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat Well actually old greece Wrestling is the mother of grappling, and kung fu is primarly a stand up striking art, my great uncle from China(yes full blooded chinese) and he was truely a master in various styles of kung fu like 5 animals, white lotus, drunken boxing and tie chi, I used to watch him when he visited(hes dead now and I respect him) but if he was to fight one of the Gracies or a good grappler(BJJ, Judo, Wrestling etc) he would simiply get owned, I know because I have do
parks2000 9 months ago
@parks2000 done^ kung fu before and I still use some of the techniques but I use mainly Boxing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and only takedowns/defense of Judo(throws) and Wrestling(shoots) beace we have both a Judo black belt and a colleigent wrestler .
parks2000 9 months ago
@parks2000 True, but BJJ comes from JJJ and you know where that came from.. Chi Na, tai chi etc...
Most styles of kung fu have a strategy to stay on their feet so they focus on strong stances, balance and catching the opponent off balance. Also, most moves focus on severely harming (ie eye, throat and arm breaks) the opponent who grabs anything on them. This is intended to prevent the whole grappling situation.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@parks2000 If you take a grappler/JJ guy who studied 3-4 years like most mma guys and put him up against a kung fu guy who studied 3-4 years the grappler/jj guy will win every time. On the other hand, a kung fu guy who has been training hard for 10-15 years would defeat the grappler/jj guy of equal experience (in the street with no rules or pads) In the ring with rules and pads it would not be such an easy battle but the kung fu guy would probably lose. Kung fu takes a long long time to learn
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
They did that little experiment already. The KF guy lost, dickhead. Love how you cultists deny history and fact.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar I have only seen kung fu guys who have not practiced long. Take this video. The wushu guy has bad posture and starts with a very half assed kick with improper distance. If that was a kick from my teacher or me you would have seen no movement in the head or back. Furthermore, you would not be able to just take the kick and ignore it.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
That's par for the course for KF guys. When do you see a KF guy who can throw a decent punch or kick outside of sanshou? Never. They all do the same flailing, uncoordinated crap to some degree or another.
What's more, your claims that KF guy would win a no-rules fight, and that all martial arts originated in China are contradicted by documented facts. Amazing how you losers claim to train for "real fights" when you have no grip on reality whatsoever.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar Out side of Sanshou? Sanshou is kung fu sparring. If a Kung Fu guy does not spar, how do you expect him to hang at all? Cung Le is not only a Sanshou champ but a K1 and MMA champ.
Kung Fu techniques are all eye jabs, throat strikes, temple shots and arm breaks, how do you expect them to work with gloves, rules and concern for human life? Sounds like your calling Cung Le bullshit.. I wander what would happen if you fought him? "Uh uh, and if ya don't knowww, now ya knowww"
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
It's a formalized sport, idiot. The only reason it's called KF is because it originated in China. However, it has little to nothing in common with most KF for the reasons I listed prior. Where are the "eye jabs" in sanshou then, dipshit? Better yet, where are they in your traditional KF? I've watched dozens of KF videos, and never once do I see any of these "deadly" attacks you blowhards always ramble about. You again dodge the issue, and repeat the usual bullshit KF propaganda. Loser.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar Like I said, there is no way you are going to use those techniques in sparring, its just wrong. You can go to Shaolin Temple, Beijing University or Wudang Mountain and you will see sanshou, if the kung fu practitioner does not do sanshou then they cannot be an example of KF against MMA.
Also, the fighting techniques in KF TChi must be demonstrated, they are not apparent. I didn't appreciate TC until I was shown. I promise you, you would be blow away if u knew what the moves were.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
So how the fuck do you figure you'll be able to use them in a fight, dipshit? Furthermore, those techniques are simple and almost instinctive. A fucking child can poke someone in the eyes. You again cannot show any examples of your "too deadly for the ring" KF. Go back to your video games, LARPer.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar
Sanshou is basically just an exact copy of MMA.
They examined what work for MMA fighters and used it themselves...which was a great idea in my opinion.
The traditional fighters had to either train sanshou too or quit because they could no longer win tournaments.
These are not my words, but the words of a so called traditional martial artist.
But I agree with what he said.
Sanshou IS exactly the same as MMA...its just a different name.
Thats why its better than kung fu.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
Actually, it's not, because sanshou has closed gloves, the clinch is broken up much more frequently and there is no ground fighting. That's obviously NOT the same.
You are completely right about the other stuff. I'm so tired of these diehard KF believers and their bullshit. They go on and on about their eye pokes, yet you never see these in any KF videos. I asked this credulous loser for a video of his bullshit "combat tai chi". He's yet to give me one. Typical fake, KF bullshitter.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar
So by the sounds of it, its watered down MMA?
As I said in my comment, those werent my words, they were what I heard some traditional martial artist say when describing the differences between sanshou and KF.
Im not familiar with sanshou at all to be honest.
From the little ive seen from it, it looked like a muay thai clone....which is a good thing, by the way.
And yeah, the thing about eye pokes is that they arent the be all and end all...and ANYONE can use them.
Takes no skill.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@kommisar
I had some guy talking like eye pokes were devastating fight finishers LOL
I then told him he was wrong and that Ive seen a guy get eye gauged by a much bigger guy, then continue on to beat him!...and then beat an even bigger guy on the same night...and then fight AGAIN against Rickson Gracie!!!! ALL in the same night!
The guy was blinded for life afterwards...but he still won the fight!
But yeah, the fool didnt believe me so I uploaded the fights to my channel LOL
He didnt reply!
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
Let these KF tards try an eye poke and hit my arm or hand when I block it. See if their "art" teaches them how to deal with a sprained or broken finger.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar
And besides, if those moves were soooooo effective, like they claim they are, then why do they bother training any other techniques?
I call major BULLSHIT!
KF just isnt effective against skilled opponents.
Its only good against noobs or other traditional martial artists.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@kommisar
Exactly, if they cant even win a cage fight, how the hell are these kung fu guys going to win a real fight on the street?
They always claim that grabbing the groin, biting the cock, scratching the ass, and pinching the nipples will win them the fight, but they seem to forget that ANYONE can do those moves too.
Except the MMA fighter will be more efficient with them due to overall superior fighting ability.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat
He has bad posture because kung fu falls apart when fighting for REAL!!!!!!!!
Watch any video of a traditional KF guy fighting against a real fighter and you will see they ALWAYS look like they have "bad posture" and look like total noobs.
You could put the BEST traditional KF guy with PERFECT posture when sparring noobs, against a real fighter and see him fall apart and his "posture" will be no different than a noobs.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@kommisar Cung Le (my favorite martial artist) U.S. team captain at the World Wushu Championships in 1997 (Italy) and 1999 (Hong Kong)
/watch?v=kItU8sK7jgg&feature=related (Cung Le kicking the shit out of a bunch of MMA guys with kung fu including Frank Shamrock on his feet)
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
We know about Cung Le. He hardly does KF. Sanshou is very non-traditional KF, and it has grappling, you idiot. All the bullshit KF cultists make about their silly "art", sanshou contradicts: It's competition based, there's pads and rules, they grapple, there's no silly "animal", absurd, LARP movements, it's taught by actual coaches rather than some bullshitting, narcissistic "master" with a meaningless rank, etc. So where's your "real" KF then, idiot?
kommisar 9 months ago
Hahaha! "Not experienced much"? Did your "master" tell you that -- that you need to spend many, many years "training" under him until you're good enough to be able to use your "art" in a real fight? Wake the fuck up, credophile, that is a common mcdojo con, and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar I am learned to kick someone's ass by the age of 16. I am 34. I am not experienced much in tai chi. After over 20 years of training in many many styles from many many countries, I was introduced to tai chi and immediately saw the benefit. I am not even training in it now. It is on my to do list (find a great teacher). After all of those years I have never saw anything that remotely touches it. That is what I am saying. The style is so dense it takes a while to learn it.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
Once again, no evidence of your "combat tai chi". You're a typical KF blowhard: delusional, mystified and full of shit.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar Hey, you know where to find a tai chi master. If you are so sure, don't say a word, just sucker punch them and try to grapple with them! Go ahead, see what happens! I know a master who could break your neck while only touching your wrist. If you want to be honorable, show up to their class and challenge them. They are arrogant and eager to gain a new student. If you challenge a master, you will cow tow and beg for him to teach you after that like a kung fu movie.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
You are a delusional, confused loser with no grasp on reality. You need professional help.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar Perhaps I would have said such a thing... When I had as little training as you.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
Still waiting on your video, coward. You're welcome any time to come by an MMA school and put your money where your mouth is. In the meantime, I HAVE trained with/seen KF guys, and none of them can grapple or fight for shit.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar I have never bragged about myself. I spoke of tai chi masters from china, including one of my teachers. I am in need of hernia surgery right now and will be handing out no challenges soon. However, I am certain that I could kick your ass, even in my weakened state! HAHAHAHAH
No experienced martial artist would speak with such ignorance and lack of respect. Aside from that, unless you are a super heavy weight, I doubt you would look forward to stepping in the ring with me.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
Why can't we see one of your tai chi "master's" students then? Again, idiot, provide some proof your stupid LARP shit works.
Sorry, you seem to be confused. This is reality, not Oriental Fantasy Land. Real fighters often DO talk shit. You have been brainwashed with a lot of bullshit, like your comment on trash talking. Again, I've seen tai chi and trained with KF guys. They can't fight. Neither can you. You're a fucking joke who's never fought a day in his life. Go jump off a cliff.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar I'm tired of this broken record. Sounds like you took too many blows to the head. Just remember who created every single move you use every time you fight.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
Sounds like you're a mystified idiot with no education. Martial arts didn't originate in China, you imbecile; they have sprouted up from every region on earth. Boxing and wrestling, two of the most popular styles in the world, originated in Egypt and Greece respectively. You know fuck all. Continue being an ignorant peasant who can't fight.
kommisar 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat
Why do you guys think that EVERYTHING comes from China?
I suppose you also think that on the dark side of the moon, there is a label saying "made in China"
LOL
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@SkemeKOS Ok, I'll grant you: wrestling, fencing, medieval reenactment, islamic broadsword, French Kickboxing and the style that African guy from Blood Sport did, do not come from China; but everything else originated from Shaolin Temple or Wudang Mountain.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat
And dont forget the moon too LOL
Just kidding man!
Take care, my friend.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@SkemeKOS Oh I am sure they are going to send an astronaut up there to pull our flag out and place their own. That would be hilarious as we no longer have our own manned space program! We would never come up with the money to replace that damn flag!
You are very refreshing compared to Kommisar. Talking to that guy is like pulling teeth. : )
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat
LOL That WOULD be pretty funny!
And thanks :) I do try to be reasonable when I can, my friend.
Youre actually refreshing to talk to too, compared to other traditional MA fans.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@SkemeKOS One thing that I have learned over the years studying many martial arts is that you need to pick one thing and stick with it to get to a higher level of skill. Otherwise you keep starting over. I picked Chinese styles because there are thousands and they all fit together like lego blocks to I can teacher-hop without starting over. MMA and BJJ are very popular in the US so you can do the same with those. We are all martial artists. We should stick together and rag on football or wtever.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat
Yeah, I couldnt have said it better myself.
Sometimes(well....most times, actually) us martial artists/fans are way too disrespectful to each other and our arts.
Im totally guilty of it too.
I guess I only do it to try and help people(mostly traditional martial artists) learn that MMA/BJJ or whatever IS a beautiful art and IS effective in real life...more so than traditional martial arts in my personal opinion.
Ideally, it would be much better if there was no conflict at all.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@SkemeKOS I don't think we really disagree at all. The way I see it, I learned to fight in 6 years and I wanted to keep learning beyond that for the joy of conditioning and practice. This is how I found KF and Tai Chi. They are infinitely complex styles that get more complex the better you get. A puzzle that can never be solved.
The most effective fighting styles can turn you into a respectable fighter in 3 years like the styles you mentioned. KF & TC take 10 year or more to be effective.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat
Yep, BJJ keeps opening up too. It never ends and is evolving all the time.
To be a black belt in BJJ takes at least 10 years too under the Gracies.
But yeah, you can be an effective fighter in VERY little time using those styles.
Kung fu was actually the 1st martial art I did but hardly worth mentioning it as I only did it for 3 months.
I was a stupid kid at the time and just wanted to play instead :(
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@SkemeKOS Oh when I said 10 years to be effective, I meant that you can't begin to fight with it until after 10 years of practice. In China where they train like maniacs, it takes 15 years of training 3, 2-hour sessions per day, 6 days per week to be considered a kung fu master. They start at 5-6 and can be a master by 19-20. Then they can begin teaching but are not master instructors until later. Every master I met who trained in China refused the title though they trained 30+ years.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat
Yeah, I know you meant 10 years to be effective....not a master.
Same as BJJ, my friend.
Being a black belt in BJJ is generally not considered being a master in BJJ either.
It takes much longer.
BJJ guys spend hours and hours on the ground everyday, they basically live on the ground their whole life life!
Thats dedication for you LOL
What Im trying to say is, Kung fu guys are not the only guys who are extremely passionate about their art.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@SkemeKOS Again, not trying to go down the debate path again. I just wanted to illustrate how insanely complicated the art is. After I felt confident in my self defense, I just wanted to learn and practice crazy moves. It is an intellectual form of conditioning and meditation. It is an obsession. So you see that people who chose this path do so because they have a completely different motivation. That is why we should stick together as martial artists and enjoy our paths.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat
Exactly, my friend.
As you said before, were all martial artists and should unite.
Lets rag on football instead LOL
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@SkemeKOS Yea, I watch Star Trek The Next Generation reruns on super bowl sunday every year.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@SkemeKOS There is something magic about the end result if properly practiced but it is a long time coming. The reason I don't mind waiting is because learned to fight with goshinjutsu, judo, akido, jujitsu early on. I even think that fighting is 33-50% of KF and TC. These styles are much larger than just fighting, they are medicine, meditation, conditioning and life preserving. I think an advanced practitioner is less likely to be seriously injured by falling, car accidents, animals...
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat
MMA and BJJ are just the same in my opinion too.
I always hear traditional martial artists talk bad of MMA guys, saying things like, they only rely on brute strength and little technique etc etc
But thats just wrong. Every MMA fighter is unique.
And about KFbeing 33-50% fighting, and the rest being medicine, meditation, conditioning and life preserving etc.
So is BJJ and MMA.
Most BJJ guys are heavily into yoga and conditioning and apply jiu jitsu to every day life.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@zigzigerblat
Watch this video of Rickson Gracie & yoga -
/watch?v=CB_KRHXU1BA&feature=channel_video_title
This guy is a huge inspiration to me.
SkemeKOS 9 months ago
@SkemeKOS Oh I am sure they are going to send an astronaut up there to pull our flag out and place their own. That would be hilarious as we no longer have our own manned space program! We would never come up with the money to replace that damn flag!
You are very refreshing compared to Kommisar. Talking to that guy is like pulling teeth. : )
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@kommisar Oh, this is the shit. This is what real fighting looks like. This is actual free sparring with tai chi. If you only watch one video, check this out.
/watch?v=U6FiDwz1f0c
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
Fucking idiot, that was all staged. It was basically KF pro wrestling, you fucking moron. Get a grip on reality, fucking gullible loser.
kommisar 9 months ago
@kommisar Trust me he will not just show you moves. He will scare you.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
@kommisar Yes there are videos showing combat application tai chi. If you search "combat tai chi master wong" on youtube. From what I can gather of your school of thought, I chose master wong because my friend of the same school of thought loves him. I prefer just searching "combat tai chi" and looking for little old men kicking ass. In any case, Tai Chi is only a form for relaxation, exercise and competition when taught improperly. It must be taught with combat application to be real.
zigzigerblat 9 months ago
Kung Fu does not have rules...its life or death...not a silly game boy...
MrBassAsassin 10 months ago
Master of Piss, King fu Douch Bag.You are all douch bags.
sausag 10 months ago
silly boy bruce lee would of bit him lol
whiteasasheet 10 months ago
this guy is NOT Wushu!
SiJe76 10 months ago
poor little wushu man got bullied....
OffspringFTW65 10 months ago
@specialforces69 Well, It wasn't Chinese actually..who totally defeated ROMANS. China was defeated by that weakest country called Japan back in years & years ago ....
The most scariest of all was..... back in a old time.. MONGOLS.....
Well, anyway The guy must be a some arsehole to you guys to begin with i start to reconsider...LOL
maxinpains 10 months ago