To all Atheists who are convinced that everything has to have reasoning. Please answer this question the Koran asks especially you. "Or were they created out of naught? Or are they the creators?" Koran 52:35
He may have had a short life, but I bet he enjoyed every cigarette, and every shot of Johnny Walker Black he ever had. It was a short life, but extrodinarily well lived.
I think he would have enjoyed 20 more years - you can do other things besides smoking a cigarette that is far more enjoyable. Smoking a cigarette, is time wasted - both now and in the future.
@il9agr17 First of all R.I.P. just means he doesn't have to suffer anymore. It is a figure of speech. You don't believe in resting after death. You think everyone goes rollerblading on streets of gold or plays the harp with angels for eternity. Or you think we go to hell to burn in a lake of fire with demons and devils. How do you honestly believe that? are you 9 years old?
@nilbog44 I believe in God because I know that the world is too perfect to be created by mistake. And an absolute proof of God is that in the Koran (1400 years old) he compared a sperm cell to a leech, and the two have great resemblance. And the question is, how could a man (since atheists believe that the Koran was written by man) living before the middle ages know the a tiny sperm cell invisible to the bare eye resemble a leech. Could it be sheer luck? No my friend its the all knowing ;)
@il9agr17 Yeah ok you are right. All scientists should quit all the research they are doing and throw away their science books and just read the koran. That's where all the scientific knowledge is. This world is too perfect. You are right. That's why 99% of all species that ever lived on earth are now extinct.
@nilbog44 The Koran's not a science text book. Its a book that lead to the right path. It just happens to include proven facts that would be impossible to prove 1400 years ago to prove to people like you that a stronger power lives out there. And as for the extinct species you say. Would you like us to live with dinosaurs? Do you not see that man contributed to the extinction of some of the species? Do you not believe (just as scientists do) that every species was perfect for their time periods?
@nilbog44 Your arguments are weak, just like your belief in God. Everyone believes in God, that is another fact in the Koran. Its all about how far you take that belief.
@il9agr17 You are trying to use the koran as a reference for scientific facts and knowledge. Therefore you are insane. There is nothing to argue. You believe in CRAZY shit. And i accept actual scientific facts and principles. So there ya go.....
@nilbog44 No I'm not, just as I stated before the Koran is not a science textbook its a book that leads to the right path. It just happens to include a scientific fact before any scientist discovered it. I tried to use the Koran to prove to you that there is a God. And I succeeded. After I have succeeded you started accusing me of being insane, and that I said that scientist should quit research just so that you wouldn't show that you have nothing else to say.
@il9agr17 yep. you proved it. all the mysteries of the universe are in the koran. We don't need to look anywhere else for knowledge. The key to everything important in life is in the koran. hahahahahahha
@nilbog44 How is that even an argument?!?!?!? Do I have to say this again? The Koran is not a science textbook. Its a book that leads to the way of God, its a book of righteousness. Please answer with an argument or do not. Because you are really making a fool of yourself by accusing me of typing things I haven't typed.
@il9agr17 You're talking about the same book that inspires people to fly into buildings, to behead those who cartoon mohammed, to burn other books, to subjugate women, to kill authors or atleast try to kill them. You are talking about that book right? Righteous is not the word I would use. Oh and btw, you said you proved god was real in an earlier post; you most definitely did not. Also, not everyone believes in god. It's rather silly to say that.
@TheShaitanjr I would love to argue, but given that you are an ignorant piece of shit that is fed by american media, its just not worth it. You are just making false facts, and do you really think that if the Koran promotes that shit you speak of, would 1.7 billion people and counting follow it? Would it be the fastest growing religion in the world? You are a typical media-bitch.
@il9agr17 Lol so what I said was wrong? I had no idea what happened to salman rushdie didn't happen, or what happened in new york 11 years ago just didn't happen. Oh and that cartoonist in europe, yeah that didn't happen either. You would love to argue but you can't, there is evidence of everything I typed down, and you only have to look at the middle east to see whos right here. And I didn't insult you at all, so come on man, really?
@TheShaitanjr Just because I speak fluent English doesn't make me American. I am Saudi Arabian, I have lived in America, and am currently living on an Island off the coast of Saudi. Frankly, I have exposed to more danger and threat in America than while living here. And as for Rushdie, 9/11, and whatever shit you're complaining about. You can't blame more than 1/5 of the world and their religion because less than 0.005% of them are extremists or terrorists, every group has its extremists.
@il9agr17 I didn't blame 1/5 of the world. I blamed the book that inspired people to do those things. If you want to contribute good things to that book you cant do it a la carte. you must take the good with the bad. Frankly, more harm has come from that book than good. That would be great if the 99.995% could speak up against extremism, why don't they if its such a small minority?
@il9agr17 And second post: No I can't blame everyone of the followers of that religion, and I'm not doing that. I can blame the religion that was explicitly the cause of the events I mentioned. If not for the religion, those events would not have happened.
@TheShaitanjr Well they do speak against extremism, at least a large part of them do. But you, given that you clearly follow American media, are banned from seeing that. I have nothing against the American people. I just think it has the most corrupt government that promotes censorship and "terrorism". Yes, because of the misconceptions and misunderstanding of the Koran, the Koran has produced harm.
@il9agr17 No, actually they don't. I don't have anything against the Americans either, I'm not American, in case you're wondering. And before you just think, do some research on it. It may be corrupt, but it does not promote terrorism.
@TheShaitanjr It does promote terrorism. 500,000 Iraqi civilians dead because of America. 200,000 Afghani (and counting) civilians dead because of America. Supplying of high-tech weapons to the state of Israel to kill Palestinian women and children daily. I agree with you, that is in no way terrorism.
@TheShaitanjr But you in no way possible can accuse the Koran of inspiring people to do the things you said. "You're talking about the same book that inspires people to fly into buildings, to behead those who cartoon mohammed, to burn other books, to subjugate women, to kill authors or atleast try to kill them". There is no proof.
@il9agr17 I have another thing to add to that list btw, slave trade in the barbary states. -So you're saying that everything I mentioned would have happened, even if the Koran didn't exist? I'm not going to argue this with you anymore, its pointless.
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this troglidite would have you believe that the bible is all made up .for crying out loud, man cant agree on anything let alone plan out and put together the bible text .he will be a screamer on his death bed to .does any one know if he has a mill stone he can hang around his neck when he is dead .he will need it
@lukelewisDOTnet vile? ! not even close to some of the things that have come from the mouth of the hitch god .can i pop my party poppers ? is he dead yet ,don't want to waste good poppers before there time .cancer looks good on him ,it reflects the crap he has been spewing for years now
@pearsc5d Judging from the "recent activity" bit of your profile page, you seem to be watching an awful lot of Hitchens videos for someone who clearly doesn't like the man.
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@lukelewisDOTnet yes you are correct ,i have been watching the vids to know what he is saying ,kinda like KNOW YOUR ENEMY .i am sick of this guy degrading others with his rhetoric and lies .he is as bad as the ones he degrades and i will agree that some of them are what he says .his understanding is futile at best but every one follows him .HE HAS MADE HIMSELF A GOD and will be the downfall of many .DO YOU KNOW WHAT A MILL STONE IS AND WHY IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR HIM TO HAVE ONE UPON DEATH ?
But here poses a pretty question. What if there was no Heaven or Hell but the 6 paths of Buddhism, or the Hindu afterlife? What if Taoists are right and immortality is only attainable while you were still alive? Or if you die, you stand before Ahuramazda or Angra Mainyu? Or if there was nothing after death? Then what?
[Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: "We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"; Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it." — "60 Minutes" (5/12/96)]
Obscurantist/historical revisionist Christ' Hitchen's promotes eugenics and the end of U.S. sovereignty. His naturalized citizenship must be reviewed for possible revocation.
@FinallyTheNight The burden of proof is always upon those making an assertion. You say the guy promotes the end of U.S. Sovereignty, I say, as evidenced by his staunch support of the Iraq War and to a lesser extent the Bush Doctrine, that you are completely wrong. Now cite some form of evidence or shut it.
The Unitarian Trophoblast Thesis of Cancer by Scottish embryologist Dr. John Beard in 1902, contends that cancer cells are errant healing cells (indistinguishable from trophoblasts a.k.a. pre-embryonic/placental cells that bore into the uterine wall for nourishment) & that the hydrogen cyanide that's tightly locked the molecular structure of fruit seeds (except citrus), along w/benzaldahyde & glucose, is deadly to these malignant cells & harmless to normal tissue. Watch: "World Without Cancer."
hitchens is so cool too bad there are many christians hoping for his death i now it makes no difference but it's just horrible,he never hate true christians ,only crooks like fallwell and pat robertison./i hope there is a hell and i will be there drinking with hitchens and jim morrison,janes joplin is welcome too think people own him some respect
@saxzw I agree that Hitchens probably feels no personal animosity toward devout believers, provided they don't attempt to proselytize him or his family, but he regularly attacks the religious beliefs of the faithful, for whom belief is a very personal part of their lives. There is a bit of disingenuous here- It is kind of like saying, "I don't have a problem with you, just your core beliefs." Try saying to gay person in a relationship, "I don't have a problem with you, just you're being gay."
@writersblock26 He has said before that he has no problem with people if they want to believe something (although I'm sure he wouldn't be afraid to call them "stupid" or something along those lines), but they MUST keep it to themselves. Unfortunately, religion continues to spew hatred out to the world and Hitchens is obliged to meet its charge head-on.
@saxzw I agree that Hitchens probably feels no personal animosity toward devout believers, provided they don't attempt to proselytize him or his family, but he regularly attacks the religious beliefs of the faithful, for whom belief is a very personal part of their lives. There is a bit of disingenuous here-- It is kind of like saying, "I don't have a problem with you, just your core beliefs." Try saying to gay person in a relationship, "I don't have a problem with you, just your being gay."
@writersblock26 gay is not a belief! Where religion is classified to be faith, gay is not adopted by choice. I understand Hitchens' notion to be, how someone chooses to interpret religion does not legitimize religion as fact. Beliefs deserve to be held to criticism as one belief cannot help but clash with another. Do you think it fair of one belief to deafen as to hear another more sharply while both refute the other? Do not say the religious keep their views reserved.
@jredbar I am not sure what you mean by your question. You assume that I see sexual orientation as merely a choice, and I do not. Would it really matter if it were? In fact, I agree with you that all "[beliefs] deserve to be held to critcism," and I was not suggesting the opposite. All I did was point out that it is a little disengenous for Hitchens to say he has no problem with another person, just the core of she is. By the way, I never said that the "religious keep their views reserved."
@writersblock26 If I put words in your mouth i apologize. I have trouble equating a belief to sexuality and from there made assumption in regard to your stance on homosexuality and am sorry for that mistake. I must then simply disagree that, beliefs are at a persons core. I cannot reconcile a conditioning to one belief (at any particular time in a particular space) to the immeasurable account of who a person is and what potential is. though I can hold beliefs I am not made of them.
@jredbar You really do not need to apologize to me. Anyways, I suspect that you and I will simply have to agree to disagree on the relationship of personal beliefs to identity. While I do accept that sexual orientation is by and large genetically determined, I am not sure why it would matter if it were not. After all, our lives are made up of the choices we make-- whether good or otherwise-- so it would seem to me that I could respect someone's sexual identity even if it were simply a choice.
@writersblock26 It seems that way to me as well. I think I am more focused on the religious half of the equation when you make the comparison [It is kind of like saying, "I don't have a problem with you, just your core beliefs." Try saying to a gay person, "I don't have a problem with you, just your being gay."]. Try replacing the concept of gay in the comparison of religious/gay with, "I don't have a problem with you, just your being a woman", the two don't equate. no one is born a religion.
@jredbar No one is born religious in the sense of knowing religious protocols from birth. After all, rituals (just like manners) require social environments in order to be learned. Nonetheless, several "New Atheists"-- notably Richard Dawkins-- have argued that certain memes may predispose individuals to religiosity. Now, Dawkins' theory has yet to gain acceptance among fellow evolutionary biologists, but it at least provides a way to think about how and why religion has persisted in humans.
@writersblock26 to play devils advocate. if being gay were a choice I could see the prerogative of someone choosing to criticize or disrespect that choice (though I personally wouldn't care to do so). the fact that being gay is not a choice solidifies that one MUST respect gays or lesbians as one must respect the innateness of male/female. and as far as religion goes, that is a choice demanding of severe scrutiny. I concede that I maintain to harp on this issue, agree to disagree, yes.
@writersblock26 an attack or criticism? if a particular belief threatens a sanctuary of everyones life, in this case the ability to make unmolested decisions, maybe I am short sighted for thinking it acceptable to discredit that belief. I guess I am unsure which is right. is it not a belief itself to assume that teaching creationism in schools is an attack on the sanctity of facts and logical discourse? I think one has to criticize a notion like creationism right down to attacking when pushed.
CONT> ... can be strong enough, if we put our positive energies to full use through absolute belief to overcome cancer. I also very much believe in God, for only that which comes from nothing, has been made by God alone. All philosophies aside, it's always better to believe in something, rather than nothing. This fact is undeniable, we are all dying slowly, and will not survive to become immortal, except through God's Grace Himself.
@ohoh00007 "Cancer I believe is caused by the chemical imbalance of natural substances as a whole." You're wrong. and therefor your opinion on the subject is moot. You can't just make up explanations and solutions for things based on no evidence at all. Cancer has become prevalent because 98% of our evolutionary history was spent dying at a round old age of 30, (This is presumably back when our "Natural substances" were in "balance") now that we're living 3 times longer, things go wrong with us.
@adraim69 Natural selection had no reason not to select for people predisposed to get cancer in their old age, because no one use to reach old age. Your unreasoned and incoherent beliefs, in the words of Christopher Hitchens, "Are enough to make a cat laugh". I don't generally wish this on anyone, but I hope you get Cancer. Then I hope you put your "positive energies" to "full use" through "absolute belief", then die of cancer.
Cancer is a terrible disease that can and does affect all age groups and anyone, regardless of their situation. Cancer I believe is caused by the chemical imbalance of natural substances as a whole. I also believe that we(man) are mostly to blame for this disease, because of our thirst for technology. This is unfortunately the price we have to pay. I also believe that our brains do not yet have the capacity to construct our DNA to over come this imbalance, however I do believe our brains...CONT>
I don't mean to be trite or ironic, myself. Only, the timing and the occurrence should have more impact than a mere grocery list of the unhealthy habits of Hitch.
The Titanic's sinking can be hypothesized by a litany of engineering mistakes & navigational errors, yet no one dares or is allowed to challenge Almighty God in their advertisements now that the Ship That God Himself Cannot Sink, could not even complete the first leg of her maiden voyage.
I don't entirely understand the correlation between the timing and the occurance, its not as if he just became atheist.
Also, if god decided to sink the titanic based on the company claiming god couldn't sink it (which is a myth btw), it kinda sounds like you are implying that god killed over 1500 people (52 of which were children) because he felt like he was being challenged? I'd like to think god wouldn't be so egotistic that he would feel the need to commit such an atrocity
Please excuse my sloppy implication. It's not for me to call down judgment from Heaven nor accidentally imply that such was the case in the Titanic tragedy.You're right that the hyperbole of the Titanic is after its sinking. My point was personal rather than a dogmatic indictment.
However, as I watched & listened to Hitch mock & indict the Christian Faith & Christ Himself, over the past 2 yrs, I wondered to myself if someone could say such publicly blasphemous mockery & ridicule of God without something bad happening. On the heels of completing his tour in which he did the same, to suddenly see him on death's door gives me pause.
Ironically, even Hitchens himself would not have dared to write a story with such obvious irony for fear that it would seem pedestrian and too predictable for his enemies. There is still more, I suspect, that will unfold as to this melodramatic yet inevitable turn of fortune for this man, but it serves as a cautionary tale that should be heeded by the atheists, and even to me, as a believer, am left with a greater fear of God and reverence for His Holy Name.
U.S. soldiers are occupying & waging war in the nations of Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Pakistan & God knows where else. No declarations of war have been made as prescribed by the United States Constitution. ALL participants are guilty of treason. The "I-was-just-following-orders" defense didn't work at the Nuremberg show-trials of 1946-7 and it won't work now. U.S. commanders have routinely violated the Yamashita/Medina Standard in regards to hierarchical accountability in cases of war crimes.
God is certainly NOT punishing Hitchens. Anyone who says this does not know the Bible or God's merciful character. It's the Devil, who Hitchens does not believe in, who is trying to kill him since he is already in his clutches and would be lost should he dies unrepentant. God is sparing his life so he can repent. "What would a man benefit if he gains the world and loses his soul." Missing out on eternal life is not worth any degree of fame or fortune. He needs to learn this while he is alive.
Thats messed up. Its funny how people feel sorry for Hitchens but if you would be dying Hitchens wouldnt give two shits about you. He would be like "Please, give a lad another cocktail and cigarette while I piss on this man's grave, cause I am an arrogant asshole and I dont believe in God, that is silly. Why would anyone belive that someone has created a complicated universe. Its just happened, easy as pie. I could do it too cause I am that intelligent but I decide not to" ha ha
The U.N.-U.S. coalition's unconstitutional/undeclared war and blockade against Iraq, that historical revisionist and Anglo-American toady Christopher Hitchens blesses, has cost the lives of 500,000 children. How low can this pervert go? How low are his supporters? Fascists of Hitchens' infamy are fashioned from the same bolt. They feed off the populace's gullibility into worshiping a crude doctrine predicated on haphazard mutations and barbarity.
Pascal's dept is indeed shady and it is not the way Christianity thinks we should believe in God. Christianity isn't a bet or a gamble...I think Christ explained heaven better: "whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven". Now that doesn't sound like a gamble.
As for Hitchens, i feel terrible for him and pray for good to be done to him. God bless him.
I'm still floored at how polite he is about the prayer thing - that he just says "if it makes you feel better, then do it." But he's English; they just seem to be very polite people. There seems to be an edge in his eyes here...maybe he is craving a smoke? Maybe he's in some pain? Maybe he's tired and wants to rest and not do this interview? Hmmmm.
My heart goes out Christopher Hitchens in the realization that he has contracted cancer. My prayers go up for him that he may, through the confrontation of his mortality, re-evaluate what he has considered as "principles" in his life and recognize that his vitriol against those who have sustaining faith is not worth living and dying for.
@seppomuppit "He didn't die for his beliefs." Did Hitch die?
By "worth living and dying for" I mean to put all your energies into promoting something. However one lives and dies is a representation of what one holds as being important. For some it is pleasure, but that is hardly something to laud.
@MorganMarvinson Ok great, you get a point for correcting me, he's not dead yet... He won't be dying for his beliefs, and I'm sure he doesn't regret the way he has spent his final years as an extremely influencial public figure. I have certainly enjoyed his work, i'd hardly expect someone such as you to see what he has done as important, but then again he did spend much of his time making your type look stupid!
@seppomuppit "for correcting" I thought you had heard something I hadn't. You are right. I'm trying hard to see what great satisfaction one will have at the end of one's life to have spent one's life on a negative proposition and making positive things look bad.
@seppomuppit "Believe it or not, many people don't see religion as positive." No doubt, and Hitchins skewing of that which is positive in it is no help. Over and over I hear him taking something simple, plain, and beautiful, and construing it into something ugly and painful. This includes stories of the Bible as well as the vilification of the motives of other human beings. No doubt humans often hide their true motives, but that includes Hitchins himself.
Ok Im gonna break it down, right here. I personally know the true reality of spirit, because my family used to LIVE in a house that people called HAUNTED. Alot of people experienced alot of strange things in that house. I personally have SEEN with my OWN EYES, dark figures and shadows...I have HEARD with my EARS..footsteps and bangs and whispers. I KNOW ITS REAL, theres no convincing me otherwise. For people like Hitchens, its gonna be a sad day when they die and realize how WRONG they were.
@MoralityAsTimidity Well it proves that theres more to life than we understand, or can see with our 3D eyes, it proves to me at least the true reality of spirit. I mean do people honestly think we just shut off after we die, and cease to be? Thats not how it is, and people for thousands of years have known that. All religion is an attempt by us, in our lack of understanding, to explain the divine and explain the afterlife, and even if we screwed it up, religion has been a great light for us.
@seppomuppit You know, at least present some type of argument, not for me, but for you..so you wont look like a complete idiot. So youre one of those people who believes that we come from nothing, we are randomly born for no reason, we live for 2 seconds or 100 years (depending on luck), and then we die, and go back to nothing, oh brilliant! You have solved the age old question "what is the purpose of life" there is no purpose! Brilliant, a cave man couldve thought of that, nicely done.
@FightingForFreedom23 "What is the purpose of my life?" is a dumb ass question. The fact that you are alive and well and want to go on living is all the purpose any living thing could ever need. Only humans out of all other living things seem to be mentally ill enough to waste there irreplaceable lives asking a question that they can easily answer for themselves by simply living their lives and coming up with even more retarded answers found in all religions and spiritual beliefs in general.
@GoldCoinCollector Oh lord lol Well youre absolutely wrong, in fact, its what separates the human being from the animal, the ability to think and reason and ask questions like, whats the purpose of existence, why are things the way they are. Animals cant do that, they can only go on sensed perception and cellular memory, they go by instinct. Now surely you arent saying being like an animal is being evolved, I mean we mays well go back to the caves and jungles, all of evolution is pointless then.
Its clear evolution has a purpose. We have a destiny, to traverse the stars, interface with the life is out there, and move into a united whole universe. We all start out separate, and move into unity. The whole idea of the universe is to have duality move into oneness. Its a polar universe, we have hot cold, night day, positive negative, light dark, male female, good evil, the key is to transcend the poles. Once we learn to do that, we will unlock the secrets of the universe, thats our destiny.
@FightingForFreedom23 haha, how am I supposed to present a serious argument to someone who claims to have lived in a haunted house and seen ghosts. You are a lunatic.
@seppomuppit Well I have lived in a house with spirits in it. And in my "study, look that word up, Ive read literally hundreds of stories of people whove had similar experiences that me and my family had. But I dont care to argue with someone whos so closed minded, that when he hears something outside his world view, instead of being mature about it, you just laugh and go "lunatic" and dont even bother to address my points. Its so sad. I bet youve never been in a real debate in your life.
@seppomuppit Furthermore, what I said was legitimate even if you dont believe in spirits. Its clear there is a purpose to life, and the universe..to say different is just to be ignorant. And I bet you that you think "life" and "consciousness" is just electricity in your brain, thats all it is. And when it shuts off, you shut off, your "consciousness" shuts off, and thats all she wrote for you and your "life". Itll be a sad day when you actually do die, and realize how wrong you were.
@FightingForFreedom23 I'm intellectually an atheist, but I've seen things, outlines of people that I've walked through and... an eye next to my alarm clock... and other things. I'm guessing so have many. A doctor checked me, saw a lesion in my brain. He said I was born with that lesion, it's meaningless. And suggested, perhaps, I've taken too much over-the-counter antihistimine. This is what I think about it all: I don't know what's going on or why. The doctors know, I'd guess, even less.
@brelfan Okay so you admit you have seen things, paranormal things, but you dont know what it is, so wont make a conclusion about it, okay fair enough. I on the other hand dont have that luxury, its pretty clear what I saw and heard, a definite other dimensional being. I heard the footsteps and bangs and whispers, I saw the dark figures in my room at night, it was scary and absolutely real. Even when my aunt died, I remember being in my car, and heard her voice in my ear, say my name, clearly!
@brelfan I suppose when you see a family member who's died, that changes things somewhat. At least you know that you perceived somebody you recognized, who's no longer alive. But that's really all you know. You may believe lots of things. I believe lots of things. But I can be honest with myself to and admit, I don't know anything, really. I think it's also fair to assume that anybody who tells you something, that aunt you perceived is this or that, for this reason or that, also knows nothing.
@FightingForFreedom23 The issue is jumping to conclusions. I believe everyone and everything I see exists, unless it's an outline of a person that I've walked through. I don't think I'm hallucinating. Neither do I believe, necessarily, that these outlines and shadows are definitely souls who were once alive. I admit, at least intellecutally, that I don't know. Creation is no different. I don't know. The authors of the bible didn't know. The physicists don't know. Lots of assumptions.
@brelfan Im passed the point of being skeptical, well I never was a skeptic. I always KNEW, deep inside my heart, that it was real. I just didnt trust that knowing, I didnt trust myself. And thats the big trick of this physical world, really. We trust strictly in what our physical senses can perceive, and thats it. We dont yet understand that physical senses cant KNOW anything, your brain doesnt KNOW anything, the "knowing" comes from your soul, your consciousness, your being, the REAL you.
@brelfan You know in your heart its real, you just dont trust it. And thats understandable because you never seen it, or if you have, you werent sure what it was, and unless this spirit comes and says "I am a spirit" there will always be doubts. Much of life is a faith game. I dont know that George Washington ever existed, all we have are stories and paintings and records. But I have faith that he did, and I think faith and trust is important, most importantly, trust in ourselves and our hearts!
@FightingForFreedom23 Matter of degree in either direction. It's my opinion that there's too much anecdotal evidence for "spirits" or "ghosts" to dismiss. Those who dismiss that amount of evidence in the name of science is as biased and as those who walk around believing the ghost of their great, great grandmother told them to buy Apple's stock. But I think one has to admit that nbobody knows, beyond doubt, what's going on.
@brelfan The problem with religion, I think, it's that creation is so clearly unknowable. That anybody telling you anything is abslotuly biased, if not crazy. Perhaps able to derive morals and meaning from stories, at best. Or perhaps mathemeticians, trying to figure out how energy and explosions create a univerise. Still, they can't guess at what made the energy and explostions in the first instance, let alone prove their assumptions are accruate.
@brelfan Well sure, I think thats the nature of this universe. We cant really know or be sure of anything, I dont know that I wont be struck by a semi on the highway tomorrow. We have to have faith, and thats why faith is so important. Faith in God is important too, I dont think it was Gods plan to have all the answers right in our faces, or else whats the point to evolution. The whole trick is we cant be sure based on sensing alone, because sensing is physical, knowing is spiritual.
@FightingForFreedom23 I have no issue with people using faith for comfort. Problems arise when they use it to justify cruelty or the abrogation of rights. Or if they tell others what faith to have, especially if by force. Faith is no better or worse than individuals. We, as people, are better or worse depending on the ease of living. Those who wrote the Bible had life spans of 35 years. They survived famine, slavery, genocide, suppose not too unlike now, depending on where you live.
@brelfan Well its interesting to note that Albert Einstein believed in God, and when asked whether he believed Jesus ever existed, he said "Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." And I absolutely agree with that. Religion hasnt played such an important role in the story of humanity for so long, just because people are stupid. Whoever thinks that is stupid, rest assured.
@FightingForFreedom23 Give a source for your outlandish claim that Einstein believed in a god as an actual being. Regarding Einstein's thoughts on Jesus, that question asked about the historical context of Jesus, not the supernatural.
@TampaRed Well Im here to tell you that there IS something to the supernatural and I say that with absolute certainty. How can I do that? Because my family used to live in a house where the previous occupants practiced voodoo and black magic..and the place was haunted! It really was! And everybody knew about it, the landlord knew, the neighbors knew, even the priest knew. We got the priest to come spray water around, and it worked! I mean there really IS something to all this spiritual stuff!
@FightingForFreedom23 You haven't convinced me. Also, were you able to get a hold of a reliable source for the claim that Einstein believed in god as an actual being?
@TampaRed Well you can continue to deny reality if you want, youre only costing yourself precious awareness. Sometimes, I guess you just gotta see it to believe it. In any case, Im not sure if Einstein believed in God as a being, per se, but Im sure he believed God was an intelligence...I doubt he believed God was some physical person on some cloud! God is beyond time-space physicality where we need bodies. God exists in the eternal realms of consciousness which you can access by meditating!
Many physicists use "god" as a catch-all that doesn't necessarily mean the Christian god, or even a god in general. Einstein was fairly outspoken about it.
@Yanma The "Christian God"? I dont understand this, I always thought, and was taught, that there is ONE God, and all the different religions throughout history have prayed to the same God, perhaps unknowingly, just with different names. And yes many of the top scientists and physicists have believed in a God, and when you put quotes alot of people go "Well they said they believed in a God, but what they were really saying was, they didnt believe in a God!" You atheists cant have it both ways!
@jemidai Actually it isnt, if you want the truth, it can be dated all the way back to the pharaoh Ahkenaton, who tried to tell the ancient Egyptians that there is ONE God, named Aton. Atonism became a big movement in ancient Egypt. Plato was a big believer in the One God idea. But that wasnt even my point, my point was, even if people believed in different Gods with different names throughout history, in truth, there is but one God, one Source. The more we evolve, the more we understand this.
@FightingForFreedom23 I agree with you that the more we evolve, the less gods we believe in, as religion transformed from Animism to Polytheism to Monotheism. You neglect the obvious next step in the evolution of belief in a god, in which one more is eliminated, and we evolve to Atheism. It is happening already, and I dare say I have advanced to that next step.
@MrUsername5678888 More like devolved. Just wait until youre in some life threatening situation, or terminally ill, youll see how fast youll be clamouring to God for help. And by your beliefs, you better treat all your loved ones with the upmost love and respect, because if your mom dies tomorrow, thats it...you will NEVER EVER see her again..EVER! One day youll see just how foolish your lack of belief in God truly was, remember these words.
I treat my loved ones with great respect and caring, but I have to ask. If my mother dies tomorrow, that's it, I'll never see her alive again, ever. I... completely agree with that sentiment, but just because I'll miss her, that doesn't mean I want to think that her being dead is the same as her "being in a better place." What does it change for me? So she's dead. And I loved her when she was alive. I'll be dead too one day. That doesn't mean I have to fool myself now.
@DiggidyFry Yea right. My uncle was a complete atheist who thought exactly as you did. Then his wife died and it changed him completely. You guys talk and talk and talk some more, but just wait until youre in the situation, youre gonna see how fast you change your mind. Especially when YOU are on your deathbed, getting ready to "shut off" and go into nothingness FOREVER, youre gonna be scared stiff, begging for there to be some kind of afterlife, mark these words.
@FightingForFreedom23 Thanks for proving my point as to where belief in the supernatural originated from. And also that it is motivated by ideology and not by evidence.
@GoldCoinCollector Wrong. I have direct experience with the supernatural, Ive seen it and heard it with my very own senses. I have direct knowledge and experience. You have ideology and blind denial. And dont you start with me again, you seriously have next to no idea what youre talking about, so stick with your "I dont believe in anything" crap and stop telling people what not to believe in.
@GoldCoinCollector Your ideology is "I dont believe in anything". And whether you deny it or not, that is a belief system. Everything is a belief system, in case you didnt know. But knowing you, you dont believe that. You dont believe in anything, you dont believe the sun came up this morning, the computer screen in front of you doesnt exist, you probably dont even believe YOU exist. But even not believing in anything is still a belief system lol But again I know you dont believe that.
@FightingForFreedom23 I was unaware that not accepting something without evidence is an ideology. I can see the sun and my computer screen. Belief and faith are pretty much synonymous terms.
@GoldCoinCollector No you said many times "I dont believe in anything". Which is ludicrous on face value, because obviously everybody believes in many things. You simply DONT believe in God or anything "supernatural". So leave it at that. You can be free to believe nothing is real, but I am also free to believe in God and the supernatural, especially since I have FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE. So you stick with your belief system that you dont believe in, and Ill stick with mine that I know is real.
@FightingForFreedom23 If you are so confident that the supernatural exists, why do you spend so much time trying to convince others? The more you desperately say that you have experienced it, the more I get the impression that deep down you have an underlaying fear that it doesn't exist.
@GoldCoinCollector Oh please, that is a very weak argument. I am without doubt of the existence of the supernatural, because Ive experienced all the evidence I need to convince me. I dont care if you dont believe it, I told you, you are free to not believe in anything. But youre only costing yourself precious awareness. And I have a desire to teach people about higher realities, it is our next step in evolution, but you dont believe that Im sure, you probably dont even believe in human rights.
@FightingForFreedom23 You are correct. Rights are made up abstractions that have no basis in fact whose only intention is to control, not to protect, people. And I ask because you have said that you have to see it to believe it.
@GoldCoinCollector Well George Carlin is wrong. We do have rights, all of us. You have absolutely NO right to take another persons life, or freedom. If you think you do, you are incredibly deluded and way down there in the evolutionary scale. And dont give me George Carlin, the man was a drug addict all his life, no wonder he couldnt see life clearly. Probably like you, I bet youre some drunk, or drug addict who closes his mind under the guise of "open mindedness" Very sad to say the least.
@FightingForFreedom23 Oh the ad hominem. The last refuge for a person whose arguments are so piss poor. And for your information, I am drug free because I love and take excellent care of myself, recognizing that this is my one and only life. And someone's drug usage has no bearing on the validity of what they say.
@GoldCoinCollector My arguments are rock solid and you havent disproved them yet. In fact everytime we talk, I keep proving how silly your belief system is. And yes in case you didnt know, drugs do distort your perception of reality. How can someone possibly see clearly if they are on drugs all the time? And being an addict is a serious personality flaw, based on fear and rejection of reality. Basic stuff, man. Just again, stop hounding me, your arguments dont hold any water at all.
@FightingForFreedom23 What can I say? You are a very easy target. I can see why you and others like you want to believe. You are terrified of death being the ultimate end to life. And you want "more" out of life. This is very strong evidence for it being ideologically motivated. You keep saying I am motivated by ideology. So tell me why an atheist would be ideologically motivated to reject the supernatural. What motivation could we possibly have for wanting this to be the only life we have?
@GoldCoinCollector Well prove me wrong then. You cant prove me wrong because Ive experienced it. My experience automatically proves your lack of belief is erroneous. Maybe one day youll experience it too, sometimes you just got to see it to believe it. For the closed minded at least, you cant imagine there being anything more to life than what we are experience, oh boy lol Itll be a sad day when you are on your deathbed, youre gonna be begging for there to be some afterlife, mark my words.
@FightingForFreedom23 I won't lie to you, there is a small chance that I could revert to back to belief in the supernatural if I was faced with death. But keep in mind that the only way I could believe is if I am in poor physical and especially mental health. As the user below said right before our conversation, there is no use to waste your life believing while you are young and healthy as I am. But then again, it is dubious that I could reject that 2+2=4 no matter what my health is.
@GoldCoinCollector Yea well you obviously havent experienced much. Me Ive experienced too much. Ive had friends whove committed suicide, loved ones thatve died, and oh yea, I also experienced living in a haunted house, and seen and heard spirits with my own physical senses. All of this has made me go deep into my heart and ask the bigger questions. Youre young and naive and maybe if you started going into your heart, life would become more clear to you and youll intuitively know whats truth.
@FightingForFreedom23 You are proving my points as to why people have faith in the supernatural more and more with each post. I don't want to be uncharitable to you and say that if you have heard one person's experience, you have heard them all, but I have heard and read about literally dozens of conversion stories like this. People who turn to "god" because they needed to "clean up" or because they loose "loved ones". It all comes down to it being the equivalent of sucking on a pacifier.
@GoldCoinCollector My uncle didnt believe until he started getting signs from his dead wife. I always believed, but was convinced when I LIVED IN A HOUSE WITH SPIRITS IN IT and saw them with my own eyes. I mean come on. I am getting bored with this, you are just too closed minded for people like me. Like you said "I dont have to not believe in God because theres nothing to not believe in." If that isnt closed minded I dont know what is, and I have no further desire to speak with you.
@FightingForFreedom23 Now you are contradicting yourself. First you said in another post on the Bill Maher video that you were a skeptic before your brush with the supernatural. Now you are saying that you always believed. It is YOU that doesn't have a good grasp on reality.
@FightingForFreedom23 And as Ive said before, I ALSO have heard my aunt clearly call my name, as I was driving my car, not even thinking about anything. I mean come on man, do you honestly not believe in spirit, or an afterlife, or any higher reality than what you think exists? I feel bad for you, seriously. And Im young and healthy like you, probably healtier...in fact I know Im healthier because I have my mind, body, and SPIRIT in balance. Its the first thing I learned in Karate class lol
To all Atheists who are convinced that everything has to have reasoning. Please answer this question the Koran asks especially you. "Or were they created out of naught? Or are they the creators?" Koran 52:35
il9agr17 4 weeks ago
He may have had a short life, but I bet he enjoyed every cigarette, and every shot of Johnny Walker Black he ever had. It was a short life, but extrodinarily well lived.
somewhatlongdong 2 months ago 2
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I think he would have enjoyed 20 more years - you can do other things besides smoking a cigarette that is far more enjoyable. Smoking a cigarette, is time wasted - both now and in the future.
userstupidname 2 months ago
RIP. You were one of a kind. A true intellectual with the guts to tell the truth. There will never be another Christopher Hitchens
nilbog44 2 months ago 11
@nilbog44 how ironic... R.I.P ?!?!!? you atheists shouldnt believe in "resting in peace". Since you think of death as an "end".
il9agr17 2 months ago
@il9agr17 First of all R.I.P. just means he doesn't have to suffer anymore. It is a figure of speech. You don't believe in resting after death. You think everyone goes rollerblading on streets of gold or plays the harp with angels for eternity. Or you think we go to hell to burn in a lake of fire with demons and devils. How do you honestly believe that? are you 9 years old?
nilbog44 2 months ago
@nilbog44 I believe in God because I know that the world is too perfect to be created by mistake. And an absolute proof of God is that in the Koran (1400 years old) he compared a sperm cell to a leech, and the two have great resemblance. And the question is, how could a man (since atheists believe that the Koran was written by man) living before the middle ages know the a tiny sperm cell invisible to the bare eye resemble a leech. Could it be sheer luck? No my friend its the all knowing ;)
il9agr17 2 months ago
@il9agr17 Yeah ok you are right. All scientists should quit all the research they are doing and throw away their science books and just read the koran. That's where all the scientific knowledge is. This world is too perfect. You are right. That's why 99% of all species that ever lived on earth are now extinct.
nilbog44 2 months ago
@nilbog44 The Koran's not a science text book. Its a book that lead to the right path. It just happens to include proven facts that would be impossible to prove 1400 years ago to prove to people like you that a stronger power lives out there. And as for the extinct species you say. Would you like us to live with dinosaurs? Do you not see that man contributed to the extinction of some of the species? Do you not believe (just as scientists do) that every species was perfect for their time periods?
il9agr17 1 month ago
@nilbog44 Your arguments are weak, just like your belief in God. Everyone believes in God, that is another fact in the Koran. Its all about how far you take that belief.
il9agr17 1 month ago
@il9agr17 you are insane.
nilbog44 1 month ago
@nilbog44 What you just typed is even weaker than your belief. Its not even an argument.
il9agr17 1 month ago
@il9agr17 You are trying to use the koran as a reference for scientific facts and knowledge. Therefore you are insane. There is nothing to argue. You believe in CRAZY shit. And i accept actual scientific facts and principles. So there ya go.....
nilbog44 1 month ago
@nilbog44 No I'm not, just as I stated before the Koran is not a science textbook its a book that leads to the right path. It just happens to include a scientific fact before any scientist discovered it. I tried to use the Koran to prove to you that there is a God. And I succeeded. After I have succeeded you started accusing me of being insane, and that I said that scientist should quit research just so that you wouldn't show that you have nothing else to say.
il9agr17 1 month ago
@il9agr17 yep. you proved it. all the mysteries of the universe are in the koran. We don't need to look anywhere else for knowledge. The key to everything important in life is in the koran. hahahahahahha
nilbog44 1 month ago
@nilbog44 How is that even an argument?!?!?!? Do I have to say this again? The Koran is not a science textbook. Its a book that leads to the way of God, its a book of righteousness. Please answer with an argument or do not. Because you are really making a fool of yourself by accusing me of typing things I haven't typed.
il9agr17 1 month ago
@il9agr17 You're talking about the same book that inspires people to fly into buildings, to behead those who cartoon mohammed, to burn other books, to subjugate women, to kill authors or atleast try to kill them. You are talking about that book right? Righteous is not the word I would use. Oh and btw, you said you proved god was real in an earlier post; you most definitely did not. Also, not everyone believes in god. It's rather silly to say that.
TheShaitanjr 1 month ago
@TheShaitanjr I would love to argue, but given that you are an ignorant piece of shit that is fed by american media, its just not worth it. You are just making false facts, and do you really think that if the Koran promotes that shit you speak of, would 1.7 billion people and counting follow it? Would it be the fastest growing religion in the world? You are a typical media-bitch.
il9agr17 1 month ago
@il9agr17 Lol so what I said was wrong? I had no idea what happened to salman rushdie didn't happen, or what happened in new york 11 years ago just didn't happen. Oh and that cartoonist in europe, yeah that didn't happen either. You would love to argue but you can't, there is evidence of everything I typed down, and you only have to look at the middle east to see whos right here. And I didn't insult you at all, so come on man, really?
TheShaitanjr 4 weeks ago
@TheShaitanjr Just because I speak fluent English doesn't make me American. I am Saudi Arabian, I have lived in America, and am currently living on an Island off the coast of Saudi. Frankly, I have exposed to more danger and threat in America than while living here. And as for Rushdie, 9/11, and whatever shit you're complaining about. You can't blame more than 1/5 of the world and their religion because less than 0.005% of them are extremists or terrorists, every group has its extremists.
il9agr17 4 weeks ago
@il9agr17 I didn't blame 1/5 of the world. I blamed the book that inspired people to do those things. If you want to contribute good things to that book you cant do it a la carte. you must take the good with the bad. Frankly, more harm has come from that book than good. That would be great if the 99.995% could speak up against extremism, why don't they if its such a small minority?
TheShaitanjr 4 weeks ago
@il9agr17 And second post: No I can't blame everyone of the followers of that religion, and I'm not doing that. I can blame the religion that was explicitly the cause of the events I mentioned. If not for the religion, those events would not have happened.
TheShaitanjr 4 weeks ago
@TheShaitanjr Well they do speak against extremism, at least a large part of them do. But you, given that you clearly follow American media, are banned from seeing that. I have nothing against the American people. I just think it has the most corrupt government that promotes censorship and "terrorism". Yes, because of the misconceptions and misunderstanding of the Koran, the Koran has produced harm.
il9agr17 4 weeks ago
@il9agr17 No, actually they don't. I don't have anything against the Americans either, I'm not American, in case you're wondering. And before you just think, do some research on it. It may be corrupt, but it does not promote terrorism.
TheShaitanjr 4 weeks ago
@TheShaitanjr It does promote terrorism. 500,000 Iraqi civilians dead because of America. 200,000 Afghani (and counting) civilians dead because of America. Supplying of high-tech weapons to the state of Israel to kill Palestinian women and children daily. I agree with you, that is in no way terrorism.
il9agr17 4 weeks ago
@TheShaitanjr But you in no way possible can accuse the Koran of inspiring people to do the things you said. "You're talking about the same book that inspires people to fly into buildings, to behead those who cartoon mohammed, to burn other books, to subjugate women, to kill authors or atleast try to kill them". There is no proof.
il9agr17 4 weeks ago
@il9agr17 I have another thing to add to that list btw, slave trade in the barbary states. -So you're saying that everything I mentioned would have happened, even if the Koran didn't exist? I'm not going to argue this with you anymore, its pointless.
TheShaitanjr 4 weeks ago
@TheShaitanjr No that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about misconception and misinterpretation.
il9agr17 4 weeks ago
@nilbog44 Koran- states the resemblance of the sperm cell to the leech 1400 years ago
Microscope- Scientifically proves the resemblance no more than 400 years ago
How could someone possibly guess the resemblance 1400 years ago?!?!?!?!
il9agr17 2 months ago
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this troglidite would have you believe that the bible is all made up .for crying out loud, man cant agree on anything let alone plan out and put together the bible text .he will be a screamer on his death bed to .does any one know if he has a mill stone he can hang around his neck when he is dead .he will need it
pearsc5d 7 months ago
@pearsc5d What a vile comment.
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@lukelewisDOTnet vile? ! not even close to some of the things that have come from the mouth of the hitch god .can i pop my party poppers ? is he dead yet ,don't want to waste good poppers before there time .cancer looks good on him ,it reflects the crap he has been spewing for years now
pearsc5d 7 months ago
@pearsc5d Judging from the "recent activity" bit of your profile page, you seem to be watching an awful lot of Hitchens videos for someone who clearly doesn't like the man.
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@lukelewisDOTnet yes you are correct ,i have been watching the vids to know what he is saying ,kinda like KNOW YOUR ENEMY .i am sick of this guy degrading others with his rhetoric and lies .he is as bad as the ones he degrades and i will agree that some of them are what he says .his understanding is futile at best but every one follows him .HE HAS MADE HIMSELF A GOD and will be the downfall of many .DO YOU KNOW WHAT A MILL STONE IS AND WHY IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR HIM TO HAVE ONE UPON DEATH ?
pearsc5d 7 months ago
@pearsc5d Spoken with the true, heartfelt compassion of a Christian...
dog1dog2 4 months ago 10
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@dog1dog2 said who ?
pearsc5d 4 months ago
If you can hold it down on the smokes and the cocktails it would be wize to do so.
That is really good.
And the way its played down makes it more hard hitting.
Let me try it in my own way.
If you can be honest with yourself ,try to consider eternity.
It would be pretty horrible to Die and find out that the Bible is true and Christians were right.
Remogogy 7 months ago
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But here poses a pretty question. What if there was no Heaven or Hell but the 6 paths of Buddhism, or the Hindu afterlife? What if Taoists are right and immortality is only attainable while you were still alive? Or if you die, you stand before Ahuramazda or Angra Mainyu? Or if there was nothing after death? Then what?
msaoichan 4 months ago
[Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: "We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"; Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it." — "60 Minutes" (5/12/96)]
FinallyTheNight 9 months ago
Obscurantist/historical revisionist Christ' Hitchen's promotes eugenics and the end of U.S. sovereignty. His naturalized citizenship must be reviewed for possible revocation.
FinallyTheNight 9 months ago
@FinallyTheNight Cite sources or shut it.
lamontofnazareth 9 months ago
@lamontofnazareth : ♔ You must take responsibility for yourself.
FinallyTheNight 9 months ago
@FinallyTheNight The burden of proof is always upon those making an assertion. You say the guy promotes the end of U.S. Sovereignty, I say, as evidenced by his staunch support of the Iraq War and to a lesser extent the Bush Doctrine, that you are completely wrong. Now cite some form of evidence or shut it.
lamontofnazareth 9 months ago
@lamontofnazareth : Where's your gay-pride now?
FinallyTheNight 9 months ago
@FinallyTheNight You know I blame myself. I should have realized you were a troll. Well, lesson learned.
lamontofnazareth 9 months ago
@lamontofnazareth : Don't commit suicide.
FinallyTheNight 9 months ago
When I get old I wanna have hair like Anderson Cooper. (I also want his grace and courtesy - but mainly the hair)
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HighPoweredLasers 10 months ago
Anderson is such a great interviewer.
baughskeet 10 months ago 2
The Unitarian Trophoblast Thesis of Cancer by Scottish embryologist Dr. John Beard in 1902, contends that cancer cells are errant healing cells (indistinguishable from trophoblasts a.k.a. pre-embryonic/placental cells that bore into the uterine wall for nourishment) & that the hydrogen cyanide that's tightly locked the molecular structure of fruit seeds (except citrus), along w/benzaldahyde & glucose, is deadly to these malignant cells & harmless to normal tissue. Watch: "World Without Cancer."
FinallyTheNight 1 year ago
i love this guy!!!
rncoco 1 year ago
hitchens is so cool too bad there are many christians hoping for his death i now it makes no difference but it's just horrible,he never hate true christians ,only crooks like fallwell and pat robertison./i hope there is a hell and i will be there drinking with hitchens and jim morrison,janes joplin is welcome too think people own him some respect
saxzw 1 year ago
@saxzw I agree that Hitchens probably feels no personal animosity toward devout believers, provided they don't attempt to proselytize him or his family, but he regularly attacks the religious beliefs of the faithful, for whom belief is a very personal part of their lives. There is a bit of disingenuous here- It is kind of like saying, "I don't have a problem with you, just your core beliefs." Try saying to gay person in a relationship, "I don't have a problem with you, just you're being gay."
writersblock26 1 year ago
@writersblock26 He has said before that he has no problem with people if they want to believe something (although I'm sure he wouldn't be afraid to call them "stupid" or something along those lines), but they MUST keep it to themselves. Unfortunately, religion continues to spew hatred out to the world and Hitchens is obliged to meet its charge head-on.
baughskeet 10 months ago
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writersblock26 9 months ago
@saxzw I agree that Hitchens probably feels no personal animosity toward devout believers, provided they don't attempt to proselytize him or his family, but he regularly attacks the religious beliefs of the faithful, for whom belief is a very personal part of their lives. There is a bit of disingenuous here-- It is kind of like saying, "I don't have a problem with you, just your core beliefs." Try saying to gay person in a relationship, "I don't have a problem with you, just your being gay."
writersblock26 5 months ago
@writersblock26 gay is not a belief! Where religion is classified to be faith, gay is not adopted by choice. I understand Hitchens' notion to be, how someone chooses to interpret religion does not legitimize religion as fact. Beliefs deserve to be held to criticism as one belief cannot help but clash with another. Do you think it fair of one belief to deafen as to hear another more sharply while both refute the other? Do not say the religious keep their views reserved.
jredbar 3 months ago
@jredbar I am not sure what you mean by your question. You assume that I see sexual orientation as merely a choice, and I do not. Would it really matter if it were? In fact, I agree with you that all "[beliefs] deserve to be held to critcism," and I was not suggesting the opposite. All I did was point out that it is a little disengenous for Hitchens to say he has no problem with another person, just the core of she is. By the way, I never said that the "religious keep their views reserved."
writersblock26 3 months ago
@writersblock26 If I put words in your mouth i apologize. I have trouble equating a belief to sexuality and from there made assumption in regard to your stance on homosexuality and am sorry for that mistake. I must then simply disagree that, beliefs are at a persons core. I cannot reconcile a conditioning to one belief (at any particular time in a particular space) to the immeasurable account of who a person is and what potential is. though I can hold beliefs I am not made of them.
jredbar 3 months ago
@jredbar You really do not need to apologize to me. Anyways, I suspect that you and I will simply have to agree to disagree on the relationship of personal beliefs to identity. While I do accept that sexual orientation is by and large genetically determined, I am not sure why it would matter if it were not. After all, our lives are made up of the choices we make-- whether good or otherwise-- so it would seem to me that I could respect someone's sexual identity even if it were simply a choice.
writersblock26 2 months ago
@writersblock26 It seems that way to me as well. I think I am more focused on the religious half of the equation when you make the comparison [It is kind of like saying, "I don't have a problem with you, just your core beliefs." Try saying to a gay person, "I don't have a problem with you, just your being gay."]. Try replacing the concept of gay in the comparison of religious/gay with, "I don't have a problem with you, just your being a woman", the two don't equate. no one is born a religion.
jredbar 2 months ago
@jredbar No one is born religious in the sense of knowing religious protocols from birth. After all, rituals (just like manners) require social environments in order to be learned. Nonetheless, several "New Atheists"-- notably Richard Dawkins-- have argued that certain memes may predispose individuals to religiosity. Now, Dawkins' theory has yet to gain acceptance among fellow evolutionary biologists, but it at least provides a way to think about how and why religion has persisted in humans.
writersblock26 2 months ago
@writersblock26 I imagine it's much the same way that nail biting has persisted. Just can't shake some habits.
Rashidalq 2 months ago
@Rashidalq Just like Christopher Hitchens could not resist cigarettes and Johnnie Walker.
writersblock26 2 months ago
@writersblock26 to play devils advocate. if being gay were a choice I could see the prerogative of someone choosing to criticize or disrespect that choice (though I personally wouldn't care to do so). the fact that being gay is not a choice solidifies that one MUST respect gays or lesbians as one must respect the innateness of male/female. and as far as religion goes, that is a choice demanding of severe scrutiny. I concede that I maintain to harp on this issue, agree to disagree, yes.
jredbar 2 months ago
@writersblock26 an attack or criticism? if a particular belief threatens a sanctuary of everyones life, in this case the ability to make unmolested decisions, maybe I am short sighted for thinking it acceptable to discredit that belief. I guess I am unsure which is right. is it not a belief itself to assume that teaching creationism in schools is an attack on the sanctity of facts and logical discourse? I think one has to criticize a notion like creationism right down to attacking when pushed.
jredbar 3 months ago
CONT> ... can be strong enough, if we put our positive energies to full use through absolute belief to overcome cancer. I also very much believe in God, for only that which comes from nothing, has been made by God alone. All philosophies aside, it's always better to believe in something, rather than nothing. This fact is undeniable, we are all dying slowly, and will not survive to become immortal, except through God's Grace Himself.
ohoh00007 1 year ago
@ohoh00007 "Cancer I believe is caused by the chemical imbalance of natural substances as a whole." You're wrong. and therefor your opinion on the subject is moot. You can't just make up explanations and solutions for things based on no evidence at all. Cancer has become prevalent because 98% of our evolutionary history was spent dying at a round old age of 30, (This is presumably back when our "Natural substances" were in "balance") now that we're living 3 times longer, things go wrong with us.
adraim69 1 year ago
@adraim69 Natural selection had no reason not to select for people predisposed to get cancer in their old age, because no one use to reach old age. Your unreasoned and incoherent beliefs, in the words of Christopher Hitchens, "Are enough to make a cat laugh". I don't generally wish this on anyone, but I hope you get Cancer. Then I hope you put your "positive energies" to "full use" through "absolute belief", then die of cancer.
adraim69 1 year ago
Cancer is a terrible disease that can and does affect all age groups and anyone, regardless of their situation. Cancer I believe is caused by the chemical imbalance of natural substances as a whole. I also believe that we(man) are mostly to blame for this disease, because of our thirst for technology. This is unfortunately the price we have to pay. I also believe that our brains do not yet have the capacity to construct our DNA to over come this imbalance, however I do believe our brains...CONT>
ohoh00007 1 year ago
@dpink5
I don't mean to be trite or ironic, myself. Only, the timing and the occurrence should have more impact than a mere grocery list of the unhealthy habits of Hitch.
The Titanic's sinking can be hypothesized by a litany of engineering mistakes & navigational errors, yet no one dares or is allowed to challenge Almighty God in their advertisements now that the Ship That God Himself Cannot Sink, could not even complete the first leg of her maiden voyage.
dyingtodeath 1 year ago
@dyingtodeath
I don't entirely understand the correlation between the timing and the occurance, its not as if he just became atheist.
Also, if god decided to sink the titanic based on the company claiming god couldn't sink it (which is a myth btw), it kinda sounds like you are implying that god killed over 1500 people (52 of which were children) because he felt like he was being challenged? I'd like to think god wouldn't be so egotistic that he would feel the need to commit such an atrocity
dpink5 1 year ago
@dpink5
Please excuse my sloppy implication. It's not for me to call down judgment from Heaven nor accidentally imply that such was the case in the Titanic tragedy.You're right that the hyperbole of the Titanic is after its sinking. My point was personal rather than a dogmatic indictment.
dyingtodeath 1 year ago
@dpink5
However, as I watched & listened to Hitch mock & indict the Christian Faith & Christ Himself, over the past 2 yrs, I wondered to myself if someone could say such publicly blasphemous mockery & ridicule of God without something bad happening. On the heels of completing his tour in which he did the same, to suddenly see him on death's door gives me pause.
dyingtodeath 1 year ago
Ironically, even Hitchens himself would not have dared to write a story with such obvious irony for fear that it would seem pedestrian and too predictable for his enemies. There is still more, I suspect, that will unfold as to this melodramatic yet inevitable turn of fortune for this man, but it serves as a cautionary tale that should be heeded by the atheists, and even to me, as a believer, am left with a greater fear of God and reverence for His Holy Name.
dyingtodeath 1 year ago
@dyingtodeath
I think most atheists realize that it has more to do with him taking horrible care of his body.
dpink5 1 year ago
@dpink5
However you explain this recent development, it gives me pause to reflect upon it's ironic timing.
dyingtodeath 1 year ago
I thought Hitchens was someone I'd be able to listen to for much longer
sk8tafrnk 1 year ago
it's a pity there isn't a heaven for him to go to
cricketlover1117 1 year ago
U.S. soldiers are occupying & waging war in the nations of Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Pakistan & God knows where else. No declarations of war have been made as prescribed by the United States Constitution. ALL participants are guilty of treason. The "I-was-just-following-orders" defense didn't work at the Nuremberg show-trials of 1946-7 and it won't work now. U.S. commanders have routinely violated the Yamashita/Medina Standard in regards to hierarchical accountability in cases of war crimes.
ThePregnancySlaves 1 year ago
Hitchens has nothing to fear, there is no afterlife.
Everyone already knows whats it like to be dead, it will be the same as pre-birth, nothingness
The only thing he has to fear is weakness of mind in the late hours, and its a sad thing that he has to worrie about what people will make of it.
"We're all gonna be dirt in the ground"
In the unlikely event that a god does exist, the bible is here to test your integrity, and you will have failed if you DO believe in it.
niekozzzzz 1 year ago
@niekozzzzz
form is emptiness and the very emptiness is form
gkilla777 1 year ago
God is certainly NOT punishing Hitchens. Anyone who says this does not know the Bible or God's merciful character. It's the Devil, who Hitchens does not believe in, who is trying to kill him since he is already in his clutches and would be lost should he dies unrepentant. God is sparing his life so he can repent. "What would a man benefit if he gains the world and loses his soul." Missing out on eternal life is not worth any degree of fame or fortune. He needs to learn this while he is alive.
tamarind777 1 year ago
These types of videos always provoke the most inane of YouTube discussions.
jeanclaudevandamme 1 year ago
This interviewer is a dick
thestranger11 1 year ago
Thats messed up. Its funny how people feel sorry for Hitchens but if you would be dying Hitchens wouldnt give two shits about you. He would be like "Please, give a lad another cocktail and cigarette while I piss on this man's grave, cause I am an arrogant asshole and I dont believe in God, that is silly. Why would anyone belive that someone has created a complicated universe. Its just happened, easy as pie. I could do it too cause I am that intelligent but I decide not to" ha ha
zopatino 1 year ago
If Saul the great persecutor can become St. Paul, little old Hitchens can repent and believe.
manguy2000 1 year ago
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The U.N.-U.S. coalition's unconstitutional/undeclared war and blockade against Iraq, that historical revisionist and Anglo-American toady Christopher Hitchens blesses, has cost the lives of 500,000 children. How low can this pervert go? How low are his supporters? Fascists of Hitchens' infamy are fashioned from the same bolt. They feed off the populace's gullibility into worshiping a crude doctrine predicated on haphazard mutations and barbarity.
YTubeArraignment 1 year ago
Pascal's dept is indeed shady and it is not the way Christianity thinks we should believe in God. Christianity isn't a bet or a gamble...I think Christ explained heaven better: "whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven". Now that doesn't sound like a gamble.
As for Hitchens, i feel terrible for him and pray for good to be done to him. God bless him.
equitemcroce 1 year ago
What an idiot this Anderson Cooper is. "Hedge your bets"???
YesYou123333 1 year ago
You won't be letting me down, Hitch. But get better anyway.
AncientAtheist 1 year ago
so fucking sad to see him like this
goliathlup1 1 year ago
I'm still floored at how polite he is about the prayer thing - that he just says "if it makes you feel better, then do it." But he's English; they just seem to be very polite people. There seems to be an edge in his eyes here...maybe he is craving a smoke? Maybe he's in some pain? Maybe he's tired and wants to rest and not do this interview? Hmmmm.
chalicechiq 1 year ago
My heart goes out Christopher Hitchens in the realization that he has contracted cancer. My prayers go up for him that he may, through the confrontation of his mortality, re-evaluate what he has considered as "principles" in his life and recognize that his vitriol against those who have sustaining faith is not worth living and dying for.
I sincerely wish him well.
MorganMarvinson 1 year ago
@MorganMarvinson He didn't die for his beliefs, unless you think this is god punishing him for being too good of an athiest.
seppomuppit 1 year ago
@seppomuppit "He didn't die for his beliefs." Did Hitch die?
By "worth living and dying for" I mean to put all your energies into promoting something. However one lives and dies is a representation of what one holds as being important. For some it is pleasure, but that is hardly something to laud.
MorganMarvinson 1 year ago
@MorganMarvinson Ok great, you get a point for correcting me, he's not dead yet... He won't be dying for his beliefs, and I'm sure he doesn't regret the way he has spent his final years as an extremely influencial public figure. I have certainly enjoyed his work, i'd hardly expect someone such as you to see what he has done as important, but then again he did spend much of his time making your type look stupid!
seppomuppit 1 year ago
@seppomuppit "for correcting" I thought you had heard something I hadn't. You are right. I'm trying hard to see what great satisfaction one will have at the end of one's life to have spent one's life on a negative proposition and making positive things look bad.
MorganMarvinson 1 year ago
@MorganMarvinson Believe it or not, many people don't see religion as positive. In fact the opposite.
seppomuppit 1 year ago
@seppomuppit "Believe it or not, many people don't see religion as positive." No doubt, and Hitchins skewing of that which is positive in it is no help. Over and over I hear him taking something simple, plain, and beautiful, and construing it into something ugly and painful. This includes stories of the Bible as well as the vilification of the motives of other human beings. No doubt humans often hide their true motives, but that includes Hitchins himself.
MorganMarvinson 1 year ago
Ok Im gonna break it down, right here. I personally know the true reality of spirit, because my family used to LIVE in a house that people called HAUNTED. Alot of people experienced alot of strange things in that house. I personally have SEEN with my OWN EYES, dark figures and shadows...I have HEARD with my EARS..footsteps and bangs and whispers. I KNOW ITS REAL, theres no convincing me otherwise. For people like Hitchens, its gonna be a sad day when they die and realize how WRONG they were.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 Even if those things you saw were really there, it doesn't prove any religion at all.
MoralityAsTimidity 1 year ago
@MoralityAsTimidity Well it proves that theres more to life than we understand, or can see with our 3D eyes, it proves to me at least the true reality of spirit. I mean do people honestly think we just shut off after we die, and cease to be? Thats not how it is, and people for thousands of years have known that. All religion is an attempt by us, in our lack of understanding, to explain the divine and explain the afterlife, and even if we screwed it up, religion has been a great light for us.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 let's be serious, get help.
seppomuppit 1 year ago
@seppomuppit You know, at least present some type of argument, not for me, but for you..so you wont look like a complete idiot. So youre one of those people who believes that we come from nothing, we are randomly born for no reason, we live for 2 seconds or 100 years (depending on luck), and then we die, and go back to nothing, oh brilliant! You have solved the age old question "what is the purpose of life" there is no purpose! Brilliant, a cave man couldve thought of that, nicely done.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 "What is the purpose of my life?" is a dumb ass question. The fact that you are alive and well and want to go on living is all the purpose any living thing could ever need. Only humans out of all other living things seem to be mentally ill enough to waste there irreplaceable lives asking a question that they can easily answer for themselves by simply living their lives and coming up with even more retarded answers found in all religions and spiritual beliefs in general.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@GoldCoinCollector Oh lord lol Well youre absolutely wrong, in fact, its what separates the human being from the animal, the ability to think and reason and ask questions like, whats the purpose of existence, why are things the way they are. Animals cant do that, they can only go on sensed perception and cellular memory, they go by instinct. Now surely you arent saying being like an animal is being evolved, I mean we mays well go back to the caves and jungles, all of evolution is pointless then.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
Its clear evolution has a purpose. We have a destiny, to traverse the stars, interface with the life is out there, and move into a united whole universe. We all start out separate, and move into unity. The whole idea of the universe is to have duality move into oneness. Its a polar universe, we have hot cold, night day, positive negative, light dark, male female, good evil, the key is to transcend the poles. Once we learn to do that, we will unlock the secrets of the universe, thats our destiny.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 haha, how am I supposed to present a serious argument to someone who claims to have lived in a haunted house and seen ghosts. You are a lunatic.
seppomuppit 1 year ago
@seppomuppit Well I have lived in a house with spirits in it. And in my "study, look that word up, Ive read literally hundreds of stories of people whove had similar experiences that me and my family had. But I dont care to argue with someone whos so closed minded, that when he hears something outside his world view, instead of being mature about it, you just laugh and go "lunatic" and dont even bother to address my points. Its so sad. I bet youve never been in a real debate in your life.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@seppomuppit Furthermore, what I said was legitimate even if you dont believe in spirits. Its clear there is a purpose to life, and the universe..to say different is just to be ignorant. And I bet you that you think "life" and "consciousness" is just electricity in your brain, thats all it is. And when it shuts off, you shut off, your "consciousness" shuts off, and thats all she wrote for you and your "life". Itll be a sad day when you actually do die, and realize how wrong you were.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
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@FightingForFreedom23 you are full of "shit". bye
seppomuppit 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 I'm intellectually an atheist, but I've seen things, outlines of people that I've walked through and... an eye next to my alarm clock... and other things. I'm guessing so have many. A doctor checked me, saw a lesion in my brain. He said I was born with that lesion, it's meaningless. And suggested, perhaps, I've taken too much over-the-counter antihistimine. This is what I think about it all: I don't know what's going on or why. The doctors know, I'd guess, even less.
brelfan 1 year ago
@brelfan Okay so you admit you have seen things, paranormal things, but you dont know what it is, so wont make a conclusion about it, okay fair enough. I on the other hand dont have that luxury, its pretty clear what I saw and heard, a definite other dimensional being. I heard the footsteps and bangs and whispers, I saw the dark figures in my room at night, it was scary and absolutely real. Even when my aunt died, I remember being in my car, and heard her voice in my ear, say my name, clearly!
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@brelfan I suppose when you see a family member who's died, that changes things somewhat. At least you know that you perceived somebody you recognized, who's no longer alive. But that's really all you know. You may believe lots of things. I believe lots of things. But I can be honest with myself to and admit, I don't know anything, really. I think it's also fair to assume that anybody who tells you something, that aunt you perceived is this or that, for this reason or that, also knows nothing.
brelfan 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 The issue is jumping to conclusions. I believe everyone and everything I see exists, unless it's an outline of a person that I've walked through. I don't think I'm hallucinating. Neither do I believe, necessarily, that these outlines and shadows are definitely souls who were once alive. I admit, at least intellecutally, that I don't know. Creation is no different. I don't know. The authors of the bible didn't know. The physicists don't know. Lots of assumptions.
brelfan 1 year ago
@brelfan Im passed the point of being skeptical, well I never was a skeptic. I always KNEW, deep inside my heart, that it was real. I just didnt trust that knowing, I didnt trust myself. And thats the big trick of this physical world, really. We trust strictly in what our physical senses can perceive, and thats it. We dont yet understand that physical senses cant KNOW anything, your brain doesnt KNOW anything, the "knowing" comes from your soul, your consciousness, your being, the REAL you.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@brelfan You know in your heart its real, you just dont trust it. And thats understandable because you never seen it, or if you have, you werent sure what it was, and unless this spirit comes and says "I am a spirit" there will always be doubts. Much of life is a faith game. I dont know that George Washington ever existed, all we have are stories and paintings and records. But I have faith that he did, and I think faith and trust is important, most importantly, trust in ourselves and our hearts!
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 Matter of degree in either direction. It's my opinion that there's too much anecdotal evidence for "spirits" or "ghosts" to dismiss. Those who dismiss that amount of evidence in the name of science is as biased and as those who walk around believing the ghost of their great, great grandmother told them to buy Apple's stock. But I think one has to admit that nbobody knows, beyond doubt, what's going on.
brelfan 1 year ago
@brelfan The problem with religion, I think, it's that creation is so clearly unknowable. That anybody telling you anything is abslotuly biased, if not crazy. Perhaps able to derive morals and meaning from stories, at best. Or perhaps mathemeticians, trying to figure out how energy and explosions create a univerise. Still, they can't guess at what made the energy and explostions in the first instance, let alone prove their assumptions are accruate.
brelfan 1 year ago
@brelfan Well sure, I think thats the nature of this universe. We cant really know or be sure of anything, I dont know that I wont be struck by a semi on the highway tomorrow. We have to have faith, and thats why faith is so important. Faith in God is important too, I dont think it was Gods plan to have all the answers right in our faces, or else whats the point to evolution. The whole trick is we cant be sure based on sensing alone, because sensing is physical, knowing is spiritual.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 I have no issue with people using faith for comfort. Problems arise when they use it to justify cruelty or the abrogation of rights. Or if they tell others what faith to have, especially if by force. Faith is no better or worse than individuals. We, as people, are better or worse depending on the ease of living. Those who wrote the Bible had life spans of 35 years. They survived famine, slavery, genocide, suppose not too unlike now, depending on where you live.
brelfan 1 year ago
@brelfan Well its interesting to note that Albert Einstein believed in God, and when asked whether he believed Jesus ever existed, he said "Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life." And I absolutely agree with that. Religion hasnt played such an important role in the story of humanity for so long, just because people are stupid. Whoever thinks that is stupid, rest assured.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 Give a source for your outlandish claim that Einstein believed in a god as an actual being. Regarding Einstein's thoughts on Jesus, that question asked about the historical context of Jesus, not the supernatural.
TampaRed 1 year ago
@TampaRed Well Im here to tell you that there IS something to the supernatural and I say that with absolute certainty. How can I do that? Because my family used to live in a house where the previous occupants practiced voodoo and black magic..and the place was haunted! It really was! And everybody knew about it, the landlord knew, the neighbors knew, even the priest knew. We got the priest to come spray water around, and it worked! I mean there really IS something to all this spiritual stuff!
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 You haven't convinced me. Also, were you able to get a hold of a reliable source for the claim that Einstein believed in god as an actual being?
TampaRed 1 year ago
@TampaRed Well you can continue to deny reality if you want, youre only costing yourself precious awareness. Sometimes, I guess you just gotta see it to believe it. In any case, Im not sure if Einstein believed in God as a being, per se, but Im sure he believed God was an intelligence...I doubt he believed God was some physical person on some cloud! God is beyond time-space physicality where we need bodies. God exists in the eternal realms of consciousness which you can access by meditating!
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23
Many physicists use "god" as a catch-all that doesn't necessarily mean the Christian god, or even a god in general. Einstein was fairly outspoken about it.
Yanma 1 year ago
@Yanma The "Christian God"? I dont understand this, I always thought, and was taught, that there is ONE God, and all the different religions throughout history have prayed to the same God, perhaps unknowingly, just with different names. And yes many of the top scientists and physicists have believed in a God, and when you put quotes alot of people go "Well they said they believed in a God, but what they were really saying was, they didnt believe in a God!" You atheists cant have it both ways!
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23
Monotheism is a pretty recent phenomena. You were taught wrong.
jemidai 1 year ago
@jemidai Actually it isnt, if you want the truth, it can be dated all the way back to the pharaoh Ahkenaton, who tried to tell the ancient Egyptians that there is ONE God, named Aton. Atonism became a big movement in ancient Egypt. Plato was a big believer in the One God idea. But that wasnt even my point, my point was, even if people believed in different Gods with different names throughout history, in truth, there is but one God, one Source. The more we evolve, the more we understand this.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 I agree with you that the more we evolve, the less gods we believe in, as religion transformed from Animism to Polytheism to Monotheism. You neglect the obvious next step in the evolution of belief in a god, in which one more is eliminated, and we evolve to Atheism. It is happening already, and I dare say I have advanced to that next step.
MrUsername5678888 1 year ago
@MrUsername5678888 More like devolved. Just wait until youre in some life threatening situation, or terminally ill, youll see how fast youll be clamouring to God for help. And by your beliefs, you better treat all your loved ones with the upmost love and respect, because if your mom dies tomorrow, thats it...you will NEVER EVER see her again..EVER! One day youll see just how foolish your lack of belief in God truly was, remember these words.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23
I treat my loved ones with great respect and caring, but I have to ask. If my mother dies tomorrow, that's it, I'll never see her alive again, ever. I... completely agree with that sentiment, but just because I'll miss her, that doesn't mean I want to think that her being dead is the same as her "being in a better place." What does it change for me? So she's dead. And I loved her when she was alive. I'll be dead too one day. That doesn't mean I have to fool myself now.
DiggidyFry 1 year ago
@DiggidyFry Yea right. My uncle was a complete atheist who thought exactly as you did. Then his wife died and it changed him completely. You guys talk and talk and talk some more, but just wait until youre in the situation, youre gonna see how fast you change your mind. Especially when YOU are on your deathbed, getting ready to "shut off" and go into nothingness FOREVER, youre gonna be scared stiff, begging for there to be some kind of afterlife, mark these words.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
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GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
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@FightingForFreedom23 Thank you for proving my point about where belief in the afterlife originated from.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 Thanks for proving my point as to where belief in the supernatural originated from. And also that it is motivated by ideology and not by evidence.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@GoldCoinCollector Wrong. I have direct experience with the supernatural, Ive seen it and heard it with my very own senses. I have direct knowledge and experience. You have ideology and blind denial. And dont you start with me again, you seriously have next to no idea what youre talking about, so stick with your "I dont believe in anything" crap and stop telling people what not to believe in.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 Okay. What IS my ideology?
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@GoldCoinCollector Your ideology is "I dont believe in anything". And whether you deny it or not, that is a belief system. Everything is a belief system, in case you didnt know. But knowing you, you dont believe that. You dont believe in anything, you dont believe the sun came up this morning, the computer screen in front of you doesnt exist, you probably dont even believe YOU exist. But even not believing in anything is still a belief system lol But again I know you dont believe that.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 I was unaware that not accepting something without evidence is an ideology. I can see the sun and my computer screen. Belief and faith are pretty much synonymous terms.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@GoldCoinCollector No you said many times "I dont believe in anything". Which is ludicrous on face value, because obviously everybody believes in many things. You simply DONT believe in God or anything "supernatural". So leave it at that. You can be free to believe nothing is real, but I am also free to believe in God and the supernatural, especially since I have FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE. So you stick with your belief system that you dont believe in, and Ill stick with mine that I know is real.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 If you are so confident that the supernatural exists, why do you spend so much time trying to convince others? The more you desperately say that you have experienced it, the more I get the impression that deep down you have an underlaying fear that it doesn't exist.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@GoldCoinCollector Oh please, that is a very weak argument. I am without doubt of the existence of the supernatural, because Ive experienced all the evidence I need to convince me. I dont care if you dont believe it, I told you, you are free to not believe in anything. But youre only costing yourself precious awareness. And I have a desire to teach people about higher realities, it is our next step in evolution, but you dont believe that Im sure, you probably dont even believe in human rights.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 You are correct. Rights are made up abstractions that have no basis in fact whose only intention is to control, not to protect, people. And I ask because you have said that you have to see it to believe it.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 Check out George Carlin's skit you have no rights on youtube. Very enlightening.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@GoldCoinCollector Well George Carlin is wrong. We do have rights, all of us. You have absolutely NO right to take another persons life, or freedom. If you think you do, you are incredibly deluded and way down there in the evolutionary scale. And dont give me George Carlin, the man was a drug addict all his life, no wonder he couldnt see life clearly. Probably like you, I bet youre some drunk, or drug addict who closes his mind under the guise of "open mindedness" Very sad to say the least.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 Oh the ad hominem. The last refuge for a person whose arguments are so piss poor. And for your information, I am drug free because I love and take excellent care of myself, recognizing that this is my one and only life. And someone's drug usage has no bearing on the validity of what they say.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@GoldCoinCollector My arguments are rock solid and you havent disproved them yet. In fact everytime we talk, I keep proving how silly your belief system is. And yes in case you didnt know, drugs do distort your perception of reality. How can someone possibly see clearly if they are on drugs all the time? And being an addict is a serious personality flaw, based on fear and rejection of reality. Basic stuff, man. Just again, stop hounding me, your arguments dont hold any water at all.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 What can I say? You are a very easy target. I can see why you and others like you want to believe. You are terrified of death being the ultimate end to life. And you want "more" out of life. This is very strong evidence for it being ideologically motivated. You keep saying I am motivated by ideology. So tell me why an atheist would be ideologically motivated to reject the supernatural. What motivation could we possibly have for wanting this to be the only life we have?
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@GoldCoinCollector Well prove me wrong then. You cant prove me wrong because Ive experienced it. My experience automatically proves your lack of belief is erroneous. Maybe one day youll experience it too, sometimes you just got to see it to believe it. For the closed minded at least, you cant imagine there being anything more to life than what we are experience, oh boy lol Itll be a sad day when you are on your deathbed, youre gonna be begging for there to be some afterlife, mark my words.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 I won't lie to you, there is a small chance that I could revert to back to belief in the supernatural if I was faced with death. But keep in mind that the only way I could believe is if I am in poor physical and especially mental health. As the user below said right before our conversation, there is no use to waste your life believing while you are young and healthy as I am. But then again, it is dubious that I could reject that 2+2=4 no matter what my health is.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@GoldCoinCollector Yea well you obviously havent experienced much. Me Ive experienced too much. Ive had friends whove committed suicide, loved ones thatve died, and oh yea, I also experienced living in a haunted house, and seen and heard spirits with my own physical senses. All of this has made me go deep into my heart and ask the bigger questions. Youre young and naive and maybe if you started going into your heart, life would become more clear to you and youll intuitively know whats truth.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 You are proving my points as to why people have faith in the supernatural more and more with each post. I don't want to be uncharitable to you and say that if you have heard one person's experience, you have heard them all, but I have heard and read about literally dozens of conversion stories like this. People who turn to "god" because they needed to "clean up" or because they loose "loved ones". It all comes down to it being the equivalent of sucking on a pacifier.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@GoldCoinCollector My uncle didnt believe until he started getting signs from his dead wife. I always believed, but was convinced when I LIVED IN A HOUSE WITH SPIRITS IN IT and saw them with my own eyes. I mean come on. I am getting bored with this, you are just too closed minded for people like me. Like you said "I dont have to not believe in God because theres nothing to not believe in." If that isnt closed minded I dont know what is, and I have no further desire to speak with you.
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 Now you are contradicting yourself. First you said in another post on the Bill Maher video that you were a skeptic before your brush with the supernatural. Now you are saying that you always believed. It is YOU that doesn't have a good grasp on reality.
GoldCoinCollector 1 year ago
@FightingForFreedom23 And as Ive said before, I ALSO have heard my aunt clearly call my name, as I was driving my car, not even thinking about anything. I mean come on man, do you honestly not believe in spirit, or an afterlife, or any higher reality than what you think exists? I feel bad for you, seriously. And Im young and healthy like you, probably healtier...in fact I know Im healthier because I have my mind, body, and SPIRIT in balance. Its the first thing I learned in Karate class lol
FightingForFreedom23 1 year ago