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  • It entertained me when John said, "I've built a bear!"

  • John's doing a great jobm wish him and Scott all the very best for future.

    To ScottishHeartandSoul: Hey I'm not an expert at all this but maybe you're trans and gay or something or maybe just a tomboyish girl. I'm 17 and I was also more of a tomboy until say two years back, but then slowly I started getting interested in dressing up, make up and stuff..But whatever you think it may be, just don't let anyone get you down.Follow your heart, you'll find out soon.. All the best

  • i'm one of those non conforming kids i'm 16 and have no clue what i am. i'm a girl that feels like i was ment to be born a boy. when i was little i played footy with boys, had action men, wore dungerees and shirts never skirts, my room is very boyish right now and everything i wear is very male aswell. i'm not attracted to women but i am still attracted to guys so im confused on what i am because i feel like i should be a boy but still like guys? anyone help me?

  • you explained everything i feel... im 18 and i don't understand at all...

  • @ScottishHeartandSoul :

    If you are attracted to men, then just be who you are. You can still wear boyish shirts and do "boy" activities. I'm sure there are boys out there who are attracted to tomboyish girl. Just because you are non conforming kids, doesn't mean you have to be gay/ lesbian.

  • this is really interesting, especially for me. i'm one of those people who's not always sure what their sexuality is. it really makes you wonder sometimes. i'm 14 and still not sure. i have no problems with gays or bisexuals, even have a few gay/bi friends, but i'm just not sure about myself.

  • Eh, there's no rush. I didn't realise I was bi until I was 16, and sometimes I still wonder whether I might be lesbian.

  • and what if you are a girl but you feel like a man and are always in love with gay men?

  • You could be transgender.

    I've felt like that my whole life, and I'm a 16 year old trans guy :/

  • Athough I'm really liking this, why isn't there any comments about transexuality? I mean, the twin kid said he's a girl, so maybe instead of gay he's trans, and that goes a diferent way, it's not sexual orientation but gender.

  • That's exactly what I thought too :/

  • In don't get it....How's orienting the map to your body indicative of anything? I do that--it's so much easier to get your bearings and figure out which direction to turn. I mean, I /can/ take the map and just twist it around in my mind and not physically, but that's just so much more complicated and....well, pointless.

  • I think it's because generally women tend to read a map in one way and men in another so you can tell if people are more like one or the other in the way that they read a map.

  • so glad john done this filming it may make it better for people to come out and say they are gay or lesbian

    people should stop saying they choose to be gay or lesbian its how they are born and not a choice same as i had now power to love men so why do gays or lesbians have hard time

  • LOL!!

  • When I was little, I played with paper dolls, one of those Barbie hairstyle heads that John did (it was my mom's) and I wanted to be a girl so that I could wear dresses and be with boys. In all the Disney movies that I watched as a child, the girl always wore big gowns and danced with the handsome prince and lived happily ever after. I thought the only way I could be with a guy was if I were a girl.

  • This is going to sound really odd but I am a woman and, as a young girl, I was very much a "tomboy". I would play with boys and boy-typical toys. Having said this, I have never had masculin behavioural traits (aggression, assertiveness, competitiveness etc). I have always thought I was straight but have always been considerably more attracted to gay men than straight ones...could I be the worng gender?

  • You could be anything, but what that is exactly... You're the only one who can answer that question :)

  • i know wot ya mean, i'm like a tomboy and feel attraction when i see men kissin men andi don't know why coz still feel attraction when i see men kiss a woman but i feel nothin watchin women kiss women

  • You could be trans, I'm not saying you are, but you could be.

  • AT 8:42。JB SAID :Oh my god I should have my???

    MY WHAT?

    CAN ANYONE TELL ME ?

    THANKS

  • weetabix lol

  • BIG KISS

    Thanks

  • I really don't get how someone can say "okay, I don't wanna be gay anymore" and decide that he's straight from now on... I (woman, straight) could not say "from this moment on I don't like men anymore, just women". That's weird! You can't just  deny you own sexuality and decide to be straight/gay... moreover, what was this about being christian AND gay is not possible? well, I am not religious but still I think this is - I'm sorry- just nuts! I mean, this man kinda discriminates himself...

  • I totally agree with you,,,,I was like "what the F?" when I heard that man said "retraining."

    I don't think sexual orientation can be determined by training....

    I am a married woman with a kid...so can I just decide to love women one day? that is so crazy. I do not buy it.

  • I agree there should be more publicised research with lesbians as well, but what I'm wondering, this seems to confirm definable gender tendencies - as in girls and gay boys like barbie, and boys and lesbians like gi joe. i have been secure in the idea that gender roles are societally prescribed, but those twins are making me think differently... could it be that homosexuality makes a boy identify with girls purely because girls are seen in sexual union with men, even at such a young age?

  • Can that test also deliver evidence for gay women to score similar to straight men, or to straight women? Most tests and research are based on gay men, I'd like to see more research about/on lesbians. A theory on homlsexuality is not complete nor fully valid unless lesbians are included.

  • It is very intruiging to see this docu. I just don't understand why people are so against people being gay, you are the way you are and why change it. If people don't want to accept it, they are not worth it of calling them human. I am from Holland (woman, straight) and we just accept and respect the way people are (ofcourse exceptions always exist). I love John, that he is so open and that he has a family who loves him for who he is. You rock!

  • The so-called ex-gay guy didn't say he wasn't interested in men anymore, he said it was something he was denying himself... how sad is that? BTW no wonder hardly any of them wanted to talk to him, must be difficult to pretend you're straight when you're face to face with JB ;-)

  • i know i would think he could tur nhim back gay! i wish i was a man lol love JB :D

  • I know, I'm a lesbian, and I want to snog him! What chance does an 'ex-gay' have?

    And based on what he said, the ex-gay sounded more like he was simply celibate than anything else.

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  • you can be a christian and be gay....we cant help ourself being whom we are, choc is not in the same level as sexuality. let the lord be the judge and lets stop judging each other.

  • When are we finally going to put this to bed (pun intended) and just know - everybody just know- that we come out of the womb gay or straight; it's not a choice, it is never a choice and we all know it-it's just that some people need to make it a choice so that they can demonize us for choosing 'Satan'. I would laugh, if it weren't so fucking sinister in its manifestations against gay and lesbian kids and teens (and adults in a different way)

  • How heartbreaking for Ron that he thought he had to change who he was, because those around him couldn't accept him.

  • good point

  • I think the so called 'ex-gay' is actually gay, but hides his feelings and trys to convince himself he is straight. like he said about the chocolate and cigarettes, "To this day when somebody lights a cigarette that smell is attractive to me, i dont smoke though". to me, he's basically saying "im attracted to men, but i dont have gay relationships"

  • of course he is and I suppose it's OK for Ron, but the problem is that these men often construct str8 relationships complete with children and then it so very often comes crashing down and damages everyone involved. the solution - just leave us the fuck alone and quit trying to change the way we are.

  • i wish i could talk to John

    *Kisses*

    ;)

  • 7:46- HELLO?!!! Fill out those jenas much, John?!! Good lord!!! *wiping drool*

  • "You lead I follow... For Once."

    That made me laugh. He's kinda funny ! x)

  • the "ex gay" man didnt need to change.

    personally i think he is still gay, he just thinks he is straight or his gay feelings are in the background.

  • i like that adam guy

    im pretty sure ur born that way coz i had this 5 yr old distant relative and he dances to pussycat dolls and he watcheds mamma mia over and over every night and his fave colour is pink and he loves like disney prncesses and everything. its quite annoying babysitting him coz im not that girly really but hes good fun :D:D

  • So sad. He went from a hot young gay man to a fat old Christian.

  • He freaking asked the ex-gay completely the wrong questions.

    He should've asked, "Do you still feel attracted to men"

  • God, I feel really bad for the'ex-gay' guy. It sounds like he really is gay, but he's trying not to practice on his feelings because he's been totally brainwashed by religion and conservative "family values" it's sort of sad really...

  • I said that myself when I watched it.

  • how gorgy did he look on the float :)

  • But wait...Adam insisted he was a girl?

    Then obviously he's not gay, he's transsexual.

  • Ah, the guilt-trips of family and brainwashing of religion ruin another life. I feel so sorry for that "ex-gay" man.

  • Faith based therapy for most things are only as effective as long as the subject is willing to be effected.

  • Tony - Then it's nothing more than placebo, and placebo is basically lying to your brain.

    The problem with most faith based therapy is that homosexuality is always seen as inherently bad. Unlike smoking, homosexuality isn't inherently harmful anymore than heterosexuality--it's the choices that you make, and the consequences of those choices, that measure whether or not you should change your behavior.

  • No I'm pretty sure its just a guilt based placebo. For a majority of gays lesbians and transgendered people, our lifestyle is not a choice.

    For instance. People CHOOSE to start smoking weather or not they are aware of the consequences. The therapy for which is to eliminate the intake of ADDICTIVE CHEMICALS then the cravings both physically and mentally. Quite scientific, no?

    With being gay, its a system of brainwashing based on faith, fear, guilt, and indoctrination.

    Not so scientific.

  • I'm not sure I understand you (& vice versa). It sounded to me like you were advocating people letting faith based therapy be "effective." My point was that doing so is nothing more than lying to yourself (placebo). My second point was that homosexuals can make bad choices and heterosexuals can make bad choices, but sexuality (unlike smoking) is not innately bad.

  • Yeah I totally agree with that....sorry. Must have been all the triptophan from the turkey.

    Cheers!

  • i dont care that he is gay he is bloody gorgeous, this hasnt changed my view on him im still obsessed with him : ) : )

  • That ex gay guy is obviously still gay but is just supressing it. Feel sorry for him really.. it's sad he doesn't feel he can be who he is.

  • totally agree// and i dun tihnk ex gays exist.. im sorry/// jsut watch the tyra banks show, i rmb that a group of guys tried not to be gay with this "program" but they are sitll gay.. so... i dun think ex gays exist... lolz

  • Im really enjopying this production....im absolutely obsessed with John Barrowman and this is just gorgeous. Good job!! oh and i doubt that anyones view would change of him even if he was straight :)

  • firm, robust hard...i love this documentary. he is absolutely adorable :)

  • that man Ron is not an 'ex gay'. In his smoking analogy he admitted that he is still attracted to men, he just 'chooses to say no'. His attraction has not changed, but for reasons of guilt he forces himself not to act on it. That is an entirely different thing from changing your sexual orientation.

  • I guess you could say that is it sorta physically changing it not emotionally and mentally. Its sad that his parents and peers would not accept him. For him to do that to himself would have been horrible.

  • Got to be hard for John not to be judgmental of this guy, or this guy not to be judgmental of him.

  • i loved playing with my brothers toys, trains, cars, but i'm as straight as straight can get!

  • You never played with dolls or your own teddies or anything?

  • of-course i did!

    i played with them more than the train set, but i loved the trainset! lol

  • Yeah I think it's kids who play eclusively with toys designed for the opposite gender... they do it because they have that more masculine or more feminine inclination?

  • hmm. i am not sure.

  • Hes feminate though, what about masculine gays?

  • I'd like to see more exploration of a-sexuality. Stephen Fry has said he is a-sexual (although it may have been a comedic attempt at protecting his privacy). I've never felt particularly strongly drawn to men or women, although I enjoy the beauty of both genders.

  • tourbusafi: i did the same thing! lol, none of my stupid barbie dolls had her head on.

    i've always loved cars, and when i was little i played with those. i liked more boy stuff than that s*ity barbies. but i'm totally straight.

  • The only cars I ever played with were micro machines, and I only wanted the ones that I thought were 'cute' like vintage cars or the really, really tiny ones. I also played polly pocket with my sister lol. And yep, I'm a big homo.

  • I used to play with a boy that lived next door to me and we always did boys stuff. I loved playing football, baseball, hockey, etc. and I'm girl and straight! :D

  • i'm a girl and i had a fuck load of barbies but i pulled their heads off and cut their hair so they looked like zombies

    GO GAYS

  • I think I love you! hehehe. That's deliciously wicked.

  • AtenRa

    I LOVE YOU TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • I use to cut my barbie's hair and melt them in the microwave.

  • im bi i just looked at stuff a lot like clouds and shit :)

  • i saw the two kids when they were on 60 minutes and they were younger

  • i never played with barbies i played with cars and stuff like that but im Very very into guys and ur rite this should be shown in skools

  • i played with hot wheels and never any barbies, and i'm totally into guys.

  • this should be shown in schools so kids understand

  • You're so right. ANDDDDD.

    Like, I used to play with trucks and stuff, but that's because I'm my dad's only kid, my mom's only kid, and I'm a girl. My dad's a farmer; he's MADLY into trucks, and tractors, and action figures and crap. I'm getting away from that now.

    I'm not like the boy with the barbies and everything. I've always been VERY into guys. VERY. First crush was in PRE-K. And I don't think there's anything wrong with boys having barbies.

    But whatever, I'm not a shrink. Idk.

  • That would be so cool if they did that. I have some gay friend and kids will ask he why do they choose to be gay and I try to till them that they can't help it

  • Interesting... but wouldn't John, as an actor, do better than most on that sort of verbal exam?

  • Hah. "Oh my god, i should've had my weetabix!" x

  • My brother and I were both non-gender conformists. We both have hetro partners through no pressure from our parents or society. Maybe we are both in that small percentile. We both hope for a gay/positive world and hope our kids are healthy and possibly gay to balance our hetro-heavy extended family. Not to recruit, but GO Gay!

  • People are born with their sexuality. There's no denying it, it just becomes evident as they grow up. Choosing to be straight is ridiculous, They're just repressing their feelings and living a half life because of social pressure to fit in. To be a christian doesn't mean being straight, isn't god meant to see everybody as equal? It's good for you to do what your body and brain are programmed to do.

  • 30 'ex-gay' organisations turned him down? That's not surprising. Most of them don't want to be exposed for the frauds that they are.

  • if your gay how can u change into a stright persion

    your gay or u not and thats that

  • I feel sorry for that guy (the ex-gay)

  • The "ex"guy evidently did not change, he is just repressing his "harmful" desires because of social pressure.

    How interesting. Maybe the fact that gay guys tend to be more artistic and sensitive is part of the combo (one cannot isolate sexuality from everything else), the way the mind works [almost a co-dependence, even in very repressive times and cultures, how many great artists were openly gay?]

  • Amazing!!! Very interesting.

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