A Christmas Carol -- Ignorance & Want

[angelinajoanie]

This is the scariest version on film.

[XxwagaahxX]

@jayandkayproductionz I agree! When I saw the new SD one, I closed my eyes the whole time IGNORANCE and WANT were on the screen. I have no idea wat happened except the second ghost died!

[eddievenegas]

"ARE THERE NO PRISONS ? ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES ?..."

[goldwaterproductions]

Despite being somewhat different from the book, this is my favorite version of a Christmas carol.

[petehvill]

it's my PENIS! aaahhhh!

and TWO UGLY CHILDREN! aaahhhh!

and they think you're a DOUCHE TOO! AAAHHHH!

(Bum Reviews) ~ XD

[jjj1951]

This is the best version because it sticks to Dickens original text. The problem with the George C. Scott version is that the script writers felt they had to embellish on it. And you never believed Scott's transformation from evil to good was sincere.

[dpsmile]

beware of Ignorance and Want... ;D!

[PMeursault]

This is the best scene in the movie

[doctorshifty83]

Patrick Stewart's edition wasn't very thrilling...But by captivating I meant the 1984 version of Ignorance and Want was as equally disturbing. But in my opinion Alistar Sim played the best Scrooge until George Scott completly schooled him. He currently is the best Scrooge, you can trust that. lol.

[darkoanton5]

B & W version is better.

[McWonderAzn]

why does he hav 2 small children in his robe that dont belong to him

[doctorshifty83]

The 1984 version of this scene is way more captivating.

[vitekpiglet]

@doctorshifty83 Yes, it is. But compared with the Hallmark version from 1999 (starring Patrick Stewart as Scrooge) , even the 1984 version fades.

I have never seen a better version than 1999. Only there, when the Ghost of Christmas Present shows Scrooge those Children-Ignorance and Want, you can see Him as a dying creature, he can hardly breathe, as if suffering from asthma, his hair is grey and the whole figure seems shorter than before. When he speaks, you feel the DOOM, as if there's no hope.

[BramGroatFilms]

Does this version have Scrooge dousing out the Ghost of Christmas past?

[CombatArmsBeast2727]

Scrooge is mean.

[boogzvideos]

Melizmatea, great! Dickens put this together like an effective machine. You can pull narrative out of Scrooge, and use it to "calculate" the the hypocrisy in capitalism," but it ends by "throwing in the towel." And that's not how globalized corporate greed ends, is it? But, Dickens is too cleaver. His ending is sensationalism to say the least.

[melizmatea]

Listening to that preacher with his bad grammar talking about burning the Koran got me thinking about this (beware of ignorance...) - I couldn't quite remember the wording, and lo and behold, here it is, that exact part, on Youtube - amazing! This is by far the best - the only - version of A Christmas Carol. It stands on its own as a movie, not just as a good Christmas flick. It's brilliant. Anyway, Charles Dickens was a smart guy...

[timothyj1966]

@melizmatea I think what society needs now is a good dose of Dickens to wake up... no matter what side of the Occupation issue one takes-- we have lost our way in this world to show compassion for those who struggle... parallels to the Industrial Revolution of Victorian England

[cloudbuster77]

@timothyj1966 which dickens railed against in most his books. his dad was put in debtors prison. repubs wanna take us back to those not so good ole days

[keithsfield]

@cloudbuster77 no, silly. it's the dems who seek to enslave the populace with their meager handouts, while they continue to lead the political class in wealth and power.

[standinstann]

@keithsfield How do you enslave people with handouts? If people are in need of handouts that the Dems are providing and GOP is not, it's because they can't meet there needs otherwise. the federal government didn't outsource there jobs, lower there wages, or replace them with machines that only a tiny minority own: and the GOP did in fact deregulate to the the point where businesses could. So how exactly are Democrats keeping people on government aid?

[okefixico]

@standinstann I can answer that for him. The government enslaves the poor because the poor become dependent on the handouts and lose all incentive to work, while government loses incentive to stay out of everyone's lives. The poor and needy are rewarded for not working and for having children out of wedlock. Charity via churches and other private organizations are better at providing aid without becoming a master to the needy.

[standinstann]

@okefixico

To your first point: The poor do not loose insentive to work by virtue of the fact that government assistence is 'avaliable'. We are not Pavlovian Dogs, we are Human beings, we seek to know and better our selves innately: what's more, nobody who recieves the whopping $800 a month is content to stay on government assistence, they do so because they have no choice. Government aid went up with unemployment, not the number of lazy people. (con't)

[okefixico]

@standinstann We are human beings who should not depend on Massa Gov'met to survive. The hunting and gathering days were much better than this modern society that sets people up to fail. As for promoting the general welfare, that means staying out of people's lives so the free market sytem can thrive, which means very, very low unemployment. Those who are sick and old might need some government assistance, but too many who aren't either are getting a free ride...on the taxpayer's dime.

[standinstann]

@okefixico The reason that a record number of people are dependent on government programs to survive is that oppertunity has been sold out to countries that don't have any labor protections, the government didn't outsource a single job or lower a single wage.

To your second point: unless by "welfare" they meant "economic" welfare, the clause is redundant and overlaps the other two. We, the people; were meat to have tremendous independence of government (con't)

[standinstann]

@standinstann We were meant to have economic independence of: and leverage against, the government; by the very rights of property. We can't have that when the vast majority of wealth and capital is concentrated in the hands of a very few. You continually finger the government as the culprit in this problem, but you need to remember that our financial and corperate institutions have a LOT more control over our day to day lives than the government does (con't)

[standinstann]

@standinstann It is those institutions that are making necessary the espansion of government programs, as government is now the ONLY institution that is promoting the general welfare, and providing for the have not's. It is the restructuring of those institutions, who have become the most powerful in the country; that will set this problem right, not the abolition of the programs that are made necessary by them.

[standinstann]

@standinstann Lastly: You said ""As for promoting the general welfare, that means staying out of people's lives so the free market sytem can thrive"" First: if you remove government regulation you get monopoly within 10 years, which does not constitutte "thriving" Second: How exactly do you "promote" something by not doing anything? The general welfare clause states that Government should not onle cease to hinder, but 'help' man in his pursuit of happiness.

[standinstann]

@okefixico to your secon point, you can't possibly mean what you said. If the govenemnt shouldn't be "rewarding" the poor with basic necessities that they can't get; then why should anyone else. The fact is, "barely-subsistence" government aid isn't a "reward" it's a provision for the have not's. And as our preamble reads "promote the general welfare", I fail to see why the government shouldn't be the one to promote it. It is in fact charged with doing so by the constitution.

[Socoolscienceshow]

My message to the republicans "Then Learn this lesson this boy is republicanisum this girl is libritarianisum. Beware them both but most of all beware of republicisums. Is there no welfare? Is there no medicaide?" But then again I wouldnt expect republicans to understand more then that of a 5 year old. Go ahead, mark my comment down, hide behind your paid marking down of comments aginst your.. republicans At least at night when I go to bed, I can feel good that Im a decent human being for caring

[chrisSharlin840]

Sweet... I saw this film at -> A Plus Movies . com

[JayandKayProductionz]

They scared me when i was little...and in the new one the sD one, I saw it this weekend, they are realllllly scary!!

[michellebellx]

they might have been the scariest part in the whole movie for the other one. it was so disturbing! they scared the crap out of me, and i'm 18.

[JayandKayProductionz]

I know! Theyre just...ughh scary

[DontTouchMyVicodin]

@JayandKayProductionz

You mean the one with Jim Carey? They were really frightening.

[Gypsielectro]

Not the actor from Metropolis

Scrooge is Alistair Sim (Scots)

Isn't he great !?

[Serdikan]

So what does Ignorance and Want each do?

[SIMPDUDE]

Upon their brow is written DOOM!!!

[MaxMistaken]

I missed this part when we read this Stave in class.

I must've just skimmed right on over it?

Well, this is just so creepy. I figured I'd catch myself up on Ignorance and Want just to see what the movies portrayed them as.

Creepy, I agree.

[JeffUK]

Some films miss out ignorance and want, which is a major part of the novel so I always look down upon films that miss them out.

[tyarra]

is that the actor from metropolis?

[cerbydoo]

It's better in black and white.

[LilbunUWiz]

Oh man. This part was always so creepy to me when I was a kid.

"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"

I'd never watch that scene by myself on Christmas Eve

[toukijinmaster]

God I know what you mean! Scared the be-jesus out of me as kid....

[BloodyBay]

That's one thing I've always liked about Christmas Present's style, just how he repeatedly uses Scrooge's previously uttered words against him...just like how he rehashed Scrooge's "decrease the excess population" comment in the scene with Tiny Tim.

Cute kids here, though. I just can't help but notice Want wiggling her toes over and over for some reason. :-)

[ArionaMew]

Creepy, man. Way creepy.