@T800System I get it. No matter how many sources I list it's not good enough, because it's not coming from a PhD. "It isn't hard to go on IMDB to find a couple of instances of movies supporting your closeminded little perspective on cinema." Agreed, you couldn't find too many people being closeminded like you, or who say there's no way to prove a correlation between between bad trailers and lack of movie gross (as I've proven). Nice "no you" with the insecurity statement. Powerful.
watched it, was a good film, but for fuck's sake, you're SUPPOSED to get an idea of a film's quality based off of its trailer, and the two highest rated comments are pretentious bullshit. If a trailer's shit, then you can usually expect a shit movie.
@T800System The former, as since I stated that a movie's trailer is supposed to sell an idea, you said I must have never heard of a certain phrase. But thanks for allowing me to clarify that I wasn't using anything in the wrong context, as it's good to be up to par when dealing with people, especially pretentious individuals.
sorry but how is that in any way pretentious? I'm not gonna get stuck on semantics with you but my comment was innocent and quite valid and I just think you should consider it before you go around asserting that "if a trailer's shit, you can usually expect a shit movie too".
@Tripo1iSamson Movies with good trailers that rocked: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. The Good, The Bad and the Weird. The Host (Gwoemul). I Saw the Devil. Oldboy. Once Upon a Time in America. The Godfather Part I. My dick. My penis. My balls.
@T800System Should I hear some other quote from you, or perhaps some other statement to stroke your ego? If you don't mind, I'd like to not get another email informing me I have a reply from somebody since I dared to say the all-offensive statement that a movie's trailer is supposed to attract people to the movie. Or do you want to talk to me about other phrases you think I've never heard?
it wasn't preconceived or presumptuous it was sarcasm and I think you'd do yourself a good service if you considered that phrase in future when watching a trailer as I can only infer that you're of the persuasion a movie isn't worth watching if the trailer isn't good (which isn't the case)
@T800System So you were sarcastically saying I must have never heard of that phrase? Well, that doesn't seem to make much sense, because if you were insinuating that I'd heard that phrase before, that makes no sense. And generally speaking, when I've seen a trailer that was crap or weak, the movie usually followed suit, with rare exceptions. I remember when movie trailers even set up the plot for the to-be viewer, the good ol' days. Anyway I love you.
It was sarcasm in the sense that I knew you had probably heard the phrase before but at the same time advice because, judging by your comment, it is a saying you pay no credence to.
@T800System If you read Umberto Eco's Island of the Day Before, then you'd know not to judge a book by its cover. And a movie ain't a fucking book. And "sarcasm" and "advice" aren't the same thing. I love you.
@T800System Dunno what you're talking about, I don't have the belief that a bad trailer means a bad movie. I only noted a blatant, and obvious, correlation. How dare I, huh?
There are plenty of bad trailers to good movies that I could cite but I won't because it doesn't prove anything. If you really want to get down to the nuts and bolts of your erroneous comment, the correlation you observe is one that is entirely specific to you and your taste in cinematography. That doesn't apply to the rest of us; and so, you can't just assert that "a bad trailer usually precedes a bad movie" because it's completely subjective.
@T800System "There are plenty of bad trailers to good movies that I could cite but I won't -" "I could provide the reasoning for my argument but I won't because of x, or y, or z." Yeah, nice, man. "the correlation you observe is one that is entirely specific to you and your taste in cinematography." The correlation that movie trailers that are extremely weak, uninteresting and illustrate piss-poor quality and bad movie-making generally speak volumes for a film, whether or not
I already explained why it's pointless me giving you examples of good movies with bad trailers because a. it's subjective opinion and b. it's anecdotal
@T800System Oh this is a beautiful one. "well hey I invite you to provide me with some statistical data on artistic value of trailers and their correlation to movie grossing." I'd love to. Go to xxx.worstmovietrailers. (com) and IMDB each movie that's listed as having a 'bad' trailer per opinion of a third party, who isn't me. The movies listened include the following, with their IMDB rating beside them. If that isn't enough I can list financial grossing too :) 1) Tiptoes, 5.0
@T800System Transmorphers, 1.8. Birdemic: Shock and Terror, 2.0. Gooby, 3.4 Nuff said. You can look it up yourself. How much money did Gooby make? $3,234. Type in "The Green Hornet Trailer Sucked" on google and your first result, in it's example preview, says "Dont waste your money on Green Hornet. ... The trailer I saw hinted that the
movie would be a suck fest of epic proportions and Overmind's ..." Gee, seems like a person stating there's a possibly link between trailer & film quality.
@T800System Green Hornet's IMDB rating? 6.0. That's not too good. There's not too many good movies with a rating of 6.0. In fact, the best movies are in the high 7s and on, which is like saying a 8 is better than a 7 or a 6 is probably better than a 5. While you may bitch or split hairs or say my example isn't good enough, I'm'a use the card on you that you used on me: you said what I was saying was subjective or even untrue. My turn to say other people, more people, than you, agree with me.
@T800System The best part, though, is that the Green Hornet's budget was an estimated $120,000,000, while the gross was $98,780,042. You literally have perfect examples of trailer quality being related to overall film quality being related to financial gross. You idiotic, sad, sad person.
So even after I've told you that anecdotal observations do not go anyway towards proving your belief you proceed to saddle me with a handful of movies that support it? What part of this do you not understand? - you cannot judge a movie by its trailer. You imply in your original comment that a movie isn't worth watching if its trailer is bad and that kind of opinion does a disservice not only to people who espouse it but the industry as well.
@T800System "You imply in your original comment that a movie isn't worth watching if its trailer is bad." That's an assumption on your part. I said, "you're SUPPOSED to get an idea of a film's quality based off of its trailer," and "If a trailer's shit, then you can usually expect a shit movie,"
@T800System with "usually" being there to specifically mean "not all the time." So you assumed I implied something and then addressed that assumption by saying it commits a disservice, which is hilarious. "So even after I've told you that anecdotal observations do not go anyway towards proving-
your belief you proceed to saddle me with a handful of movies that support it? You didn't say my anecdotal evidence did anything because I didn't bring up any anecdotal evidence other than my own. You also "invited" me to provide me you with data on trailers and their correlation to financial
I was looking for something more in the region of a line graph tallying statistical data of thousands of movies and their trailers not 5 poorly received movies that happen to have incidentally what you think are bad trailers. That isn't evidence lol.
@T800System Once again I have to explain this. I listed within minutes two separate 3rd parties noting movie quality and trailer quality being related. That has nothing to do with what I think of the movies that are listed. Shall I pull up the 50 worst trailers and do the same thing to their movies, listing their IMDB rating? Or would you still be so daft as to not acknowledge there being a correlation between movie trailer and quality? Either way it doesn't matter what YOU think, fact is there.
bravo and I can find two instances of 3rd parties agreeing with me - the top two comments. But you know why I haven't referred to them in support what I'm saying? Because whether or not they agree with me means jack shit! Scientific method mate, look it up.
@T800System You think referencing the top two comments is people agreeing with you that you could not find a correlation between trailer quality and movie gross? Check this fact out: this movie grossed less than it cost to make, despite its good reception. My correlation is still correct. And you're still wrong. :)
They agree that you can't judge a movie by its trailer. And a movie's success can be interpreted in many different ways; its financial success, its artistic success, its technological success - it's all subjective opinion respective to the person viewing it that's why you can't make blanket statements likes "bad movies usually have bad trailers" because it's not quantifiable
@T800System "it's all subjective opinion respective to the person viewing it that's why you can't make blanket statements likes "bad movies usually have bad trailers" because it's not quantifiable" Not if you put down common indicators or rules, I don't know, such as FINANCIAL SUCCESS or public rating. Don't try to murky waters. Anyone arguing of the "artistic value" of a movie with a rating of 1.9 is likely sorely mistaken or has a worthless perception.
"anyone arguing the artistic value of a movie with an [IMDB] rating of 1.9 is likely sorely mistaken or has a worthless perception" - oh, so it's okay for your to arbitrate what is a mistaken or worthless opinion? The irony tastes real, real sweet.
@T800System "oh, so it's okay for your to arbitrate what is a mistaken or worthless opinion?" No, but if hard data (majority opinion, website rating, financial failure) speaks more than a person's "artistic value" then I'm going to pay more attention to the raw data rather than the single outlier. Are you daft? Wait, yes, you are. Have no idea why I asked.
majority opinion and financial success/failure means fuck all where movies are concerned - and it's mainly to do with the demographics that they appeal to. They are not reliable indicators of a movie's artistic value.
@T800System If you're going to start citing Justin Bieber's movie fans as proof that a movie cannot be "quantified" or judged in any sort of objective manner, then you should go ahead and commit suicide.
@T800System I bid you adieu. If tearing up your incorrect statements is going to continue to be this pointless, I don't know why I'm wasting my time. Good luck learning to think straight!
Yes as a humanist it's only right for me to stop indulging you in your mental torment. It's probably best that you cut off your access to the internet and indeed all public forums where (god forbid) you might be able to express your stupid opinions.
@T800System "They agree that you can't judge a movie by its trailer." Which is priceless, because 6 other examples prove relations between financial success, public opinion success, and trailer success. But those 6 and me (7) must not mean anything to you and two other people who commented.
@T800System "But you know why I haven't referred to them in support what I'm saying?" Because, I don't know, twice you said you didn't "need" to prove your own opinion while you asked me to prove mine, which ended up not being an opinion but a statistically significant observation. And that hurts your vagina apparently.
The very fact that there is atleast one well received movie with a conversely very badly received trailer proves my opinion that you can't judge a movie by its trailer. Your opinion however requires significant statistical data on a very large scale.
@T800System "The very fact that there is atleast one well received movie with a conversely very badly received trailer proves my opinion that you can't judge a movie by its trailer" A singular instance justifies a complete blanket statement? 'Fraid not, genius. "Your opinion however requires significant statistical data on a very large scale.Your opinion however requires significant statistical data on a very large scale." Because my 6 examples aren't enough to your 1. Okay.
@Tripo1iSamson I'm gonna use your formula..."I take it you've never heard of an outlyer." This movie, while well-received, did not gross as much as it cost. People, more people than you, have expressed dislike for the trailer. 6 other references show people disliking trailers for movies that just so happened to fail financially and publicly. But you are still in denial.
@Tripo1iSamson "They agree that you can't judge a movie by its trailer" is twice as brilliant, because while you're claiming that you can't interpret a movie objectively, though you can if you look at hard data, you are using anecdotal support to back up an opinion in relation to a movie that was an objective financial failure. You know what irony is?
no I'm not lmao, I'm using them as an example of why third party opinion is irrelevant you fucking pleb. If you had let my comment penetrate your thick fucking skull into your tiny self righteous brain you might've understood that.
@T800System It's hilarious that you're like this l33t arbiter of DA RULES OF SERIOUS INTERNET BUSINESS and can determine what requires statistical data or what is rendered meaningless by having said statistical data or which opinions of yours are perfect even without proof and also while being shown to have been a financial failure. Bright, art thou.
It's called common sense mate. The mere observation that there is a good movie out there with a bad trailer proves my opinion entirely. I don't need to do any more to prove it, I've already told you that perception of movies is specific to the individual viewer. The onus is on you to prove conversely that there is a correlation between bad trailers and bad movies and so far you have failed to provide any meaningful statistics.
@T800System "The mere observation that there is a good movie out there with a bad trailer proves my opinion entirely." It doesn't. One movie receiving popularity but being a financial failure while having a trailer that isn't decent isn't evidence to suffice your claim that there's no statistical relationship between a movie trailer's reception, the movie's financial gross, and popular opinion. You fail a lot, but love to divert it.
@T800System "The onus is on you to prove conversely that there is a correlation between bad trailers and bad movies and so far you have failed to provide any meaningful statistics." I know. Finding several websites that reference bad trailers, sometimes in bundles of 50, and looking up their financial gross and IMDB rating and seeing a blatant relation is totally not important or statistically important. You're a genius of rhetoric.
How many movies are there in the world? Hundreds of thousands. 50 is a very, VERY small drop in the ocean. That's why "worstmovietrailers" holds absolutely no water statistically. Until you provide across the board statistics your opinion will forever be invalidated.
@T800System "That isn't evidence lol. " Yeah, 2+ third parties referencing exactly what I'm referencing isn't evidence. So IMDB ratings aren't hints at a movie's quality, Rotten Tomatoes ratings aren't any indicator of a movie's quality, and you're more correct in your stubborn (and incorrect) views even if more people than you clearly contradict what you're believing. You're as bad as a creationist.
@T800System "I was looking for something more in the region of a line graph tallying statistical data of thousands of movies and their trailers" Nobody's going to compile that for you, you lazy schmuck. But if you're not a complete retard, you can look up relationships that exist in public data, like I just did, which you'd notice if you weren't currently playing rounds of "no you" and "no bro I'm c00ler."
Well then if there is no statistical data on movie trailers and their public reception then that pretty much renders your argument meaningless doesn't it?
@T800System "Well then if there is no statistical data on movie trailers and their public reception then that pretty much renders your argument meaningless doesn't it? " Not really. Write down the 5 movies I listed or go to any website with lists of the worst perceived movie trailers, then check out their online ratings and their grosses. And you'll see that you're an idiot, hopefully, but for sure you'll see that what I said is true.
@T800System And let's use this both ways, if you don't have "statistical data" to indicate that movies with notoriously bad trailers have either consistently done well in financial areas or have exceptionally high ratings from critics and users alike then your statement is meaningless. Idiot.
@T800System "I already explained why it's pointless me giving you examples of good movies with bad trailers because a. it's subjective opinion and b. it's anecdotal" Oh, please, you made it so easy for either of us to invite sources or other outlets to back up one's opinion. Please, tell me of some movies with an IMDB rating of 7.5 or higher that have trailers that have been criticized online just like in the page (worstmovietrailers,c0m) I showed you. That would be really nice.
@T800System "I invite you to provide me with some statistical data on artistic value of trailers and their correlation to movie grossing but I've got an instinctive feeling you're talking out of your arse" And now I'd appreciate it if you stopped appointing yourself Unwarranted Self-Important King of the Int3rtube. You've authoritatively been an incorrect dick for a while, so you had your fun.
@T800System you feel otherwise, or the classical "you're not an expert on it so what you say makes me justified in being a dried-up vagina, and you have to accept me being a dirty, crusty vagina. If you think there would statistically be no correlation in movie trailer quality and movie success, then you'd be sorely mistaken. :)
well hey I invite you to provide me with some statistical data on artistic value of trailers and their correlation to movie grossing but I've got an instinctive feeling you're talking out of your arse ;)
@T800System As in many things, there would be outliers. There are exceptions to my generalization. But other than that, if you look at the best film classics in the world, their trailers were, for instance, much more in-depth and essentially 'better' (if you disagree, let's set up criteria with which to judge movie trailers and see if you think the Godfather trailer is better than Men In Black 2's trailer) than lots of modern trailers. You could be a whiny minge about that statement
@T800System as well, but all you have to do see that I'm correct is watch a trailer from any well-renowned director's film such as Sergio Leone, and compare how much of the plot and 'intrigue' they set up versus what modern trailer for any financially 'successful' movie reveals about their story, versus their special effects, formulaic cliches, and hot actresses/actors.
@T800System You're quite the self-stroking cock. Great talking to ya, glad you can see my statements for what they are, in regards to movie trailers being something of a marketing tool, a tool that's supposed to be shown in a decent light in order to spark the interest of fans. Otherwise you'd be some sort of idiot, or worse, an asshole. Later buddy!
@T800System Oh, and wowwwwwwwww there wild horse, my "great talking" was an example of that thing you educated me on, what was it, sarcasm? Don't take it too serious. If I could have had someone NOT reply to me a thousand times to split hairs incorrectly while being a child, I would have seized that opportunity, trust me. Anyway, continue your digital masturbation, please, my pretentious friend.
@T800System "I was quite aware of the sarcasm thanks, I just met it with blunt sincerity." Or butthurt. "You're the one who's dragging this out mate." Why, because when you asked me to justify my opinion and near-proven statement, I did so? I know, how dare I do that. I must be doing it for my ego, and not because you're projecting by bringing up ego in the first place, lol.
Don't be so disingenuous, your statement isn't "near-proven" at all. It isn't hard to go on IMDB to find a couple of instances of movies supporting your closeminded little perspective on cinema. If I'm "projecting" by bringing up ego just by mentioning it then you must be extremely pretentious by the same rationale having brought it up five or six times now.
@T800System I love you, though. I'm really glad you led me to finding that my statement that movie trailers quality is a reflection of film quality is true for the most part. Cool deal.
@T800System Examples of movies that sucked just as their trailers did: The Green Lantern. The Green Hornet. Attack The Block. The Room by Tommy Wiseau. Justin Bieber's movie (which is a given that it'd suck, I'm ashamed to say I'd seen the trailer). Snakes on a Mofucking Plane. Die Hard 4: Get Hard. Spider Man 3. And more, but I can't think because I'm infatuated with my love for hearing constant 0900 (or whateverthefuck) Sound System songs being used constantly on youtube videos.
A couple of anecdotal observations of bad trailers accompanying bad movies does not go anyway towards proving your belief that a bad trailer = a bad movie
I love this movie, have it on Blu ray & have watched it like 20 times, each time you watch it you learn something new and understand a sub plot.
I don't want it but I think there's potential for a sequel.... Like a godfather type, malik with new powerful and wealth and drug trading connections could show his evolution in character like Michael in GF2 and grow his power!!!
Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. This was one of the greatest crime films I have ever seen, surely to become a classic in the genre. But if you want to be ignorant and judge it by a trailer, then it's your loss.
There is a relationship between perception regarding a film's trailer, it's reception, and it's financial success or lack thereof.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
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@T800System I get it. No matter how many sources I list it's not good enough, because it's not coming from a PhD. "It isn't hard to go on IMDB to find a couple of instances of movies supporting your closeminded little perspective on cinema." Agreed, you couldn't find too many people being closeminded like you, or who say there's no way to prove a correlation between between bad trailers and lack of movie gross (as I've proven). Nice "no you" with the insecurity statement. Powerful.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
watched it, was a good film, but for fuck's sake, you're SUPPOSED to get an idea of a film's quality based off of its trailer, and the two highest rated comments are pretentious bullshit. If a trailer's shit, then you can usually expect a shit movie.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
I take it you've never heard the saying "don't judge a book by its cover".
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System I take it you've never realized that a movie trailer is supposed to sell an idea ;)
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
a book cover serves to attract potential readers just as a trailer serves to attract potential audiences
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System Also, a movie's not a book.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
Great observation, you want a fucking biscuit?
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System yeah, so go back to the kitchen.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
...the silent absence of laughter is almost deafening
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System aye, and the loudness of pretense is even worse.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
how poetic. Are you implying that I am pretentious? Or have you just used the word "pretence" in the wrong context? :)
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System The former, as since I stated that a movie's trailer is supposed to sell an idea, you said I must have never heard of a certain phrase. But thanks for allowing me to clarify that I wasn't using anything in the wrong context, as it's good to be up to par when dealing with people, especially pretentious individuals.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
sorry but how is that in any way pretentious? I'm not gonna get stuck on semantics with you but my comment was innocent and quite valid and I just think you should consider it before you go around asserting that "if a trailer's shit, you can usually expect a shit movie too".
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System I don't see how saying "well you've obviously never heard of x or y" is "innocent" or "quite valid." Also, I love you.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson Movies with good trailers that rocked: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. The Good, The Bad and the Weird. The Host (Gwoemul). I Saw the Devil. Oldboy. Once Upon a Time in America. The Godfather Part I. My dick. My penis. My balls.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System Should I hear some other quote from you, or perhaps some other statement to stroke your ego? If you don't mind, I'd like to not get another email informing me I have a reply from somebody since I dared to say the all-offensive statement that a movie's trailer is supposed to attract people to the movie. Or do you want to talk to me about other phrases you think I've never heard?
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System Preconceived notion or presumptuous would have been apt descriptions of your earlier statement as well.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
it wasn't preconceived or presumptuous it was sarcasm and I think you'd do yourself a good service if you considered that phrase in future when watching a trailer as I can only infer that you're of the persuasion a movie isn't worth watching if the trailer isn't good (which isn't the case)
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System So you were sarcastically saying I must have never heard of that phrase? Well, that doesn't seem to make much sense, because if you were insinuating that I'd heard that phrase before, that makes no sense. And generally speaking, when I've seen a trailer that was crap or weak, the movie usually followed suit, with rare exceptions. I remember when movie trailers even set up the plot for the to-be viewer, the good ol' days. Anyway I love you.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
It was sarcasm in the sense that I knew you had probably heard the phrase before but at the same time advice because, judging by your comment, it is a saying you pay no credence to.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System If you read Umberto Eco's Island of the Day Before, then you'd know not to judge a book by its cover. And a movie ain't a fucking book. And "sarcasm" and "advice" aren't the same thing. I love you.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
I take it you've never heard the term "duality of meaning"? And just to make it easy for you, that one wasn't sarcasm.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System Dunno what you're talking about, I don't have the belief that a bad trailer means a bad movie. I only noted a blatant, and obvious, correlation. How dare I, huh?
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
There are plenty of bad trailers to good movies that I could cite but I won't because it doesn't prove anything. If you really want to get down to the nuts and bolts of your erroneous comment, the correlation you observe is one that is entirely specific to you and your taste in cinematography. That doesn't apply to the rest of us; and so, you can't just assert that "a bad trailer usually precedes a bad movie" because it's completely subjective.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System "There are plenty of bad trailers to good movies that I could cite but I won't -" "I could provide the reasoning for my argument but I won't because of x, or y, or z." Yeah, nice, man. "the correlation you observe is one that is entirely specific to you and your taste in cinematography." The correlation that movie trailers that are extremely weak, uninteresting and illustrate piss-poor quality and bad movie-making generally speak volumes for a film, whether or not
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
I already explained why it's pointless me giving you examples of good movies with bad trailers because a. it's subjective opinion and b. it's anecdotal
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System Oh this is a beautiful one. "well hey I invite you to provide me with some statistical data on artistic value of trailers and their correlation to movie grossing." I'd love to. Go to xxx.worstmovietrailers. (com) and IMDB each movie that's listed as having a 'bad' trailer per opinion of a third party, who isn't me. The movies listened include the following, with their IMDB rating beside them. If that isn't enough I can list financial grossing too :) 1) Tiptoes, 5.0
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System Transmorphers, 1.8. Birdemic: Shock and Terror, 2.0. Gooby, 3.4 Nuff said. You can look it up yourself. How much money did Gooby make? $3,234. Type in "The Green Hornet Trailer Sucked" on google and your first result, in it's example preview, says "Dont waste your money on Green Hornet. ... The trailer I saw hinted that the
movie would be a suck fest of epic proportions and Overmind's ..." Gee, seems like a person stating there's a possibly link between trailer & film quality.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System Green Hornet's IMDB rating? 6.0. That's not too good. There's not too many good movies with a rating of 6.0. In fact, the best movies are in the high 7s and on, which is like saying a 8 is better than a 7 or a 6 is probably better than a 5. While you may bitch or split hairs or say my example isn't good enough, I'm'a use the card on you that you used on me: you said what I was saying was subjective or even untrue. My turn to say other people, more people, than you, agree with me.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System The best part, though, is that the Green Hornet's budget was an estimated $120,000,000, while the gross was $98,780,042. You literally have perfect examples of trailer quality being related to overall film quality being related to financial gross. You idiotic, sad, sad person.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
So even after I've told you that anecdotal observations do not go anyway towards proving your belief you proceed to saddle me with a handful of movies that support it? What part of this do you not understand? - you cannot judge a movie by its trailer. You imply in your original comment that a movie isn't worth watching if its trailer is bad and that kind of opinion does a disservice not only to people who espouse it but the industry as well.
T800System 1 month ago
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@T800System "You imply in your original comment that a movie isn't worth watching if its trailer is bad." That's an assumption on your part. I said, "you're SUPPOSED to get an idea of a film's quality based off of its trailer," and "If a trailer's shit, then you can usually expect a shit movie,"
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System with "usually" being there to specifically mean "not all the time." So you assumed I implied something and then addressed that assumption by saying it commits a disservice, which is hilarious. "So even after I've told you that anecdotal observations do not go anyway towards proving-
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
your belief you proceed to saddle me with a handful of movies that support it? You didn't say my anecdotal evidence did anything because I didn't bring up any anecdotal evidence other than my own. You also "invited" me to provide me you with data on trailers and their correlation to financial
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
I was looking for something more in the region of a line graph tallying statistical data of thousands of movies and their trailers not 5 poorly received movies that happen to have incidentally what you think are bad trailers. That isn't evidence lol.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System Once again I have to explain this. I listed within minutes two separate 3rd parties noting movie quality and trailer quality being related. That has nothing to do with what I think of the movies that are listed. Shall I pull up the 50 worst trailers and do the same thing to their movies, listing their IMDB rating? Or would you still be so daft as to not acknowledge there being a correlation between movie trailer and quality? Either way it doesn't matter what YOU think, fact is there.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
bravo and I can find two instances of 3rd parties agreeing with me - the top two comments. But you know why I haven't referred to them in support what I'm saying? Because whether or not they agree with me means jack shit! Scientific method mate, look it up.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System You think referencing the top two comments is people agreeing with you that you could not find a correlation between trailer quality and movie gross? Check this fact out: this movie grossed less than it cost to make, despite its good reception. My correlation is still correct. And you're still wrong. :)
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
They agree that you can't judge a movie by its trailer. And a movie's success can be interpreted in many different ways; its financial success, its artistic success, its technological success - it's all subjective opinion respective to the person viewing it that's why you can't make blanket statements likes "bad movies usually have bad trailers" because it's not quantifiable
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System "it's all subjective opinion respective to the person viewing it that's why you can't make blanket statements likes "bad movies usually have bad trailers" because it's not quantifiable" Not if you put down common indicators or rules, I don't know, such as FINANCIAL SUCCESS or public rating. Don't try to murky waters. Anyone arguing of the "artistic value" of a movie with a rating of 1.9 is likely sorely mistaken or has a worthless perception.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
"anyone arguing the artistic value of a movie with an [IMDB] rating of 1.9 is likely sorely mistaken or has a worthless perception" - oh, so it's okay for your to arbitrate what is a mistaken or worthless opinion? The irony tastes real, real sweet.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System "oh, so it's okay for your to arbitrate what is a mistaken or worthless opinion?" No, but if hard data (majority opinion, website rating, financial failure) speaks more than a person's "artistic value" then I'm going to pay more attention to the raw data rather than the single outlier. Are you daft? Wait, yes, you are. Have no idea why I asked.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
majority opinion and financial success/failure means fuck all where movies are concerned - and it's mainly to do with the demographics that they appeal to. They are not reliable indicators of a movie's artistic value.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System If you're going to start citing Justin Bieber's movie fans as proof that a movie cannot be "quantified" or judged in any sort of objective manner, then you should go ahead and commit suicide.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System I bid you adieu. If tearing up your incorrect statements is going to continue to be this pointless, I don't know why I'm wasting my time. Good luck learning to think straight!
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
Yes as a humanist it's only right for me to stop indulging you in your mental torment. It's probably best that you cut off your access to the internet and indeed all public forums where (god forbid) you might be able to express your stupid opinions.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System "They agree that you can't judge a movie by its trailer." Which is priceless, because 6 other examples prove relations between financial success, public opinion success, and trailer success. But those 6 and me (7) must not mean anything to you and two other people who commented.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System "But you know why I haven't referred to them in support what I'm saying?" Because, I don't know, twice you said you didn't "need" to prove your own opinion while you asked me to prove mine, which ended up not being an opinion but a statistically significant observation. And that hurts your vagina apparently.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
The very fact that there is atleast one well received movie with a conversely very badly received trailer proves my opinion that you can't judge a movie by its trailer. Your opinion however requires significant statistical data on a very large scale.
T800System 1 month ago
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@T800System "The very fact that there is atleast one well received movie with a conversely very badly received trailer proves my opinion that you can't judge a movie by its trailer" A singular instance justifies a complete blanket statement? 'Fraid not, genius. "Your opinion however requires significant statistical data on a very large scale.Your opinion however requires significant statistical data on a very large scale." Because my 6 examples aren't enough to your 1. Okay.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson I'm gonna use your formula..."I take it you've never heard of an outlyer." This movie, while well-received, did not gross as much as it cost. People, more people than you, have expressed dislike for the trailer. 6 other references show people disliking trailers for movies that just so happened to fail financially and publicly. But you are still in denial.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson "They agree that you can't judge a movie by its trailer" is twice as brilliant, because while you're claiming that you can't interpret a movie objectively, though you can if you look at hard data, you are using anecdotal support to back up an opinion in relation to a movie that was an objective financial failure. You know what irony is?
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
no I'm not lmao, I'm using them as an example of why third party opinion is irrelevant you fucking pleb. If you had let my comment penetrate your thick fucking skull into your tiny self righteous brain you might've understood that.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System It's hilarious that you're like this l33t arbiter of DA RULES OF SERIOUS INTERNET BUSINESS and can determine what requires statistical data or what is rendered meaningless by having said statistical data or which opinions of yours are perfect even without proof and also while being shown to have been a financial failure. Bright, art thou.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
It's called common sense mate. The mere observation that there is a good movie out there with a bad trailer proves my opinion entirely. I don't need to do any more to prove it, I've already told you that perception of movies is specific to the individual viewer. The onus is on you to prove conversely that there is a correlation between bad trailers and bad movies and so far you have failed to provide any meaningful statistics.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System "The mere observation that there is a good movie out there with a bad trailer proves my opinion entirely." It doesn't. One movie receiving popularity but being a financial failure while having a trailer that isn't decent isn't evidence to suffice your claim that there's no statistical relationship between a movie trailer's reception, the movie's financial gross, and popular opinion. You fail a lot, but love to divert it.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System "The onus is on you to prove conversely that there is a correlation between bad trailers and bad movies and so far you have failed to provide any meaningful statistics." I know. Finding several websites that reference bad trailers, sometimes in bundles of 50, and looking up their financial gross and IMDB rating and seeing a blatant relation is totally not important or statistically important. You're a genius of rhetoric.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
How many movies are there in the world? Hundreds of thousands. 50 is a very, VERY small drop in the ocean. That's why "worstmovietrailers" holds absolutely no water statistically. Until you provide across the board statistics your opinion will forever be invalidated.
T800System 1 month ago
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@T800System "That isn't evidence lol. " Yeah, 2+ third parties referencing exactly what I'm referencing isn't evidence. So IMDB ratings aren't hints at a movie's quality, Rotten Tomatoes ratings aren't any indicator of a movie's quality, and you're more correct in your stubborn (and incorrect) views even if more people than you clearly contradict what you're believing. You're as bad as a creationist.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System "I was looking for something more in the region of a line graph tallying statistical data of thousands of movies and their trailers" Nobody's going to compile that for you, you lazy schmuck. But if you're not a complete retard, you can look up relationships that exist in public data, like I just did, which you'd notice if you weren't currently playing rounds of "no you" and "no bro I'm c00ler."
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
Well then if there is no statistical data on movie trailers and their public reception then that pretty much renders your argument meaningless doesn't it?
T800System 1 month ago
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@T800System "Well then if there is no statistical data on movie trailers and their public reception then that pretty much renders your argument meaningless doesn't it? " Not really. Write down the 5 movies I listed or go to any website with lists of the worst perceived movie trailers, then check out their online ratings and their grosses. And you'll see that you're an idiot, hopefully, but for sure you'll see that what I said is true.
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@T800System And let's use this both ways, if you don't have "statistical data" to indicate that movies with notoriously bad trailers have either consistently done well in financial areas or have exceptionally high ratings from critics and users alike then your statement is meaningless. Idiot.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System gross. And so I provided what you asked for, and you divert instead of addressing it.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
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@T800System "I already explained why it's pointless me giving you examples of good movies with bad trailers because a. it's subjective opinion and b. it's anecdotal" Oh, please, you made it so easy for either of us to invite sources or other outlets to back up one's opinion. Please, tell me of some movies with an IMDB rating of 7.5 or higher that have trailers that have been criticized online just like in the page (worstmovietrailers,c0m) I showed you. That would be really nice.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System "I invite you to provide me with some statistical data on artistic value of trailers and their correlation to movie grossing but I've got an instinctive feeling you're talking out of your arse" And now I'd appreciate it if you stopped appointing yourself Unwarranted Self-Important King of the Int3rtube. You've authoritatively been an incorrect dick for a while, so you had your fun.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System you feel otherwise, or the classical "you're not an expert on it so what you say makes me justified in being a dried-up vagina, and you have to accept me being a dirty, crusty vagina. If you think there would statistically be no correlation in movie trailer quality and movie success, then you'd be sorely mistaken. :)
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
well hey I invite you to provide me with some statistical data on artistic value of trailers and their correlation to movie grossing but I've got an instinctive feeling you're talking out of your arse ;)
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System As in many things, there would be outliers. There are exceptions to my generalization. But other than that, if you look at the best film classics in the world, their trailers were, for instance, much more in-depth and essentially 'better' (if you disagree, let's set up criteria with which to judge movie trailers and see if you think the Godfather trailer is better than Men In Black 2's trailer) than lots of modern trailers. You could be a whiny minge about that statement
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System as well, but all you have to do see that I'm correct is watch a trailer from any well-renowned director's film such as Sergio Leone, and compare how much of the plot and 'intrigue' they set up versus what modern trailer for any financially 'successful' movie reveals about their story, versus their special effects, formulaic cliches, and hot actresses/actors.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System You're quite the self-stroking cock. Great talking to ya, glad you can see my statements for what they are, in regards to movie trailers being something of a marketing tool, a tool that's supposed to be shown in a decent light in order to spark the interest of fans. Otherwise you'd be some sort of idiot, or worse, an asshole. Later buddy!
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
and you're a jumped up little prick. Great talking? The pleasure's all yours.
Trailers are marketing tools? What the fuck do you think book covers are? lol...
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System Oh, and wowwwwwwwww there wild horse, my "great talking" was an example of that thing you educated me on, what was it, sarcasm? Don't take it too serious. If I could have had someone NOT reply to me a thousand times to split hairs incorrectly while being a child, I would have seized that opportunity, trust me. Anyway, continue your digital masturbation, please, my pretentious friend.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
I was quite aware of the sarcasm thanks, I just met it with blunt sincerity.
You're the one who's dragging this out mate. It's almost as if your ego will not permit you to stop replying for fear of being corrected.
T800System 1 month ago
@T800System "I was quite aware of the sarcasm thanks, I just met it with blunt sincerity." Or butthurt. "You're the one who's dragging this out mate." Why, because when you asked me to justify my opinion and near-proven statement, I did so? I know, how dare I do that. I must be doing it for my ego, and not because you're projecting by bringing up ego in the first place, lol.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
Don't be so disingenuous, your statement isn't "near-proven" at all. It isn't hard to go on IMDB to find a couple of instances of movies supporting your closeminded little perspective on cinema. If I'm "projecting" by bringing up ego just by mentioning it then you must be extremely pretentious by the same rationale having brought it up five or six times now.
T800System 1 month ago
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Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
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@T800System I love you, though. I'm really glad you led me to finding that my statement that movie trailers quality is a reflection of film quality is true for the most part. Cool deal.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@T800System Examples of movies that sucked just as their trailers did: The Green Lantern. The Green Hornet. Attack The Block. The Room by Tommy Wiseau. Justin Bieber's movie (which is a given that it'd suck, I'm ashamed to say I'd seen the trailer). Snakes on a Mofucking Plane. Die Hard 4: Get Hard. Spider Man 3. And more, but I can't think because I'm infatuated with my love for hearing constant 0900 (or whateverthefuck) Sound System songs being used constantly on youtube videos.
Tripo1iSamson 1 month ago
@Tripo1iSamson
A couple of anecdotal observations of bad trailers accompanying bad movies does not go anyway towards proving your belief that a bad trailer = a bad movie
T800System 1 month ago
Amazing film, so glad I watched it.
salukialan 1 month ago
I love this movie, have it on Blu ray & have watched it like 20 times, each time you watch it you learn something new and understand a sub plot.
I don't want it but I think there's potential for a sequel.... Like a godfather type, malik with new powerful and wealth and drug trading connections could show his evolution in character like Michael in GF2 and grow his power!!!
47taif 2 months ago
a man goes to jail for petit crime and comes out a wealthy leader of a powerful gang. Now that's a ganster movie i'd like to watch ;-I
2011liveurlife 2 months ago
Please dont make an american remake with this geme!!!!!!!!!!!!
westchile 3 months ago
@westchile GEM
westchile 3 months ago
was robbed at the oscars!
southernbrooklyngal 4 months ago
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Very good movie
FukushimaOfficial 4 months ago
Excellent movie!
bibemora 1 year ago
Excellent movie!
bibemora 1 year ago
0:40 what's the name of the song?
piotrbanach381 1 year ago
One of the best movies i've ever seen
bmfc1000 1 year ago 2
this is the best movie of the year by far !!! its not cheap at all watch it !
clarkleafsgod 1 year ago
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This movie looks really bad and cheap. How is it that I read so much about this film, and the trailer looks so horrible?
loadstone007 1 year ago
@loadstone007
Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. This was one of the greatest crime films I have ever seen, surely to become a classic in the genre. But if you want to be ignorant and judge it by a trailer, then it's your loss.
markbart 1 year ago 8
@loadstone007 dont judge a movie on a trailer dude alot of the greatest movies ever made had shit trailers
libertycaps666 1 year ago 3
Great movie!
almironyc1 2 years ago 2