I go to a steiner school, and it doesnt matter what religion you are, we learn to accept people for who they really are and support them. Only when i started at Michael Hall did i realise who i am. the friends i made there will be friends for life. <3
Waldorf is an indoctrination/recruiting arm of the Anthroposophical Society, which exists solely to advance the occult philosophies of Rudolf Steiner.
That bears repeating: Steiner invented his own religion. To get a feel for Steiner's peers, check out Charles Manson, Shoko Asahara , Sun Myung Moon , Dabid Koresh, Jim Jones and L Ron Hubbard.
I've read all the comments. An insufficient understanding of spiritual science appears to be at the root of them.Lucifer,like Ahriman is clearly identified by Steiner as impulses that derail mankind's Christ centered path of development.Theosophy's Luciferic centeredness,along with the Krishnamurti fiasco,caused him to leave in disgust and found Anthroposophy.Any Steiner scholar knows that his books teachings govern over lectures because he wrote the books himself. Lectures were notes by others.
What i liked about the Waldorf school i went to where all the stories about gnomes and elves etc. and that the teachers always insisted that they really exist.
What i DIDN'T like about it was that like after the 7. grade the teachers where suddenly like "haha... there are no gnomes and elves... we don't even believe in any of the stuff we where telling you ourselves... we where just making it up cause we thought you would have a nicer childhood that way..."
What is not apparent is the point of this criticism. Scientologist have ex members who want to stop them called anonymous. they have a great interest in revealing the organization. I do not understand Waldorf critics who read Steiner and quote him for years, write blogs daily, all to distinguish themselves from the organization. Well the unhappy news is the "organization" isn't as organized as opponents would like. What is it that critics want? To close Waldorf schools? Stop free people? Explain
Just defending the children. Waldorf is bizarre and is rooted in non-Christian, pagan traditions and yet try to diguise themselves by teaching some biblical truths and sing some Christian songs. Again I say bizarre but nothing new!
You mean the use of biblical stories in the third grade? I don't know what "biblical truths" you refer to. They are NOT in the Waldorf curriculum. Not sure why Christianity is an issue as schools may not promote Christianity in any case.
@Raphael3008 Because when you go to a Christian school, you know it is Christian and the philsophies behind it. Waldorf schools are not as forthcoming. A person doesn't know the occult behind it. Otherwise, they would put it in their literature, tell parents, and not get defensive when asked.
The point of being open about Steiner and the anthroposophoical movenment is just that- being open, honest, truthful.My "point" as a "critic" is to open people's eyes to what lies behind the so called creative "free" education on offer, which rarely mentions the spiritual heart. The anthroposophical movenment is dishonest in it's selling - of education and biodynamic agriculture and medicine; which, by the way, is very "organised" and extremely profitable.
I'm puzzled as to what you mean by "distorting reality"- surely Steiner's realty and that of his followeres, is the belief that spiritual worlds exist,clairvoyancy and incarnation as scientific fact, that evolution began on Atlantis, man was around with the dinasaurs, cosmic forces, spirit humans floating around the moon in jelly, angels and gnomes as real beings- is that the reality you mean? "At peril " of "demise" you say- so is that to mean we won't incarnate to higher spiritual planes? Sad
I'm interested that you, Raphael, seem to think people who don't believe in your pseudo religion/belief system/occult science, and disagree with the guru who inventedit has an agenda, or warrants scrutiny; go ahead- scrutinise all - the criticisms are based on logical fact, rather than clairvoyant visions.Anthroposophists will often say Styeiner's words are taken out oif context- but i can assure anyone- context or not, they still pass on the same skewed ideas- read Steiner and see.
Raphael- but the Steiner Waldorf movement takes Steiner's words- almost verbatum, and uses them to foist a pseudo religious belief system on unsuspecting children! Can you not see the irony of your statement?!!The Waldorf movenment lie deceive and mislead in order to get children enrolled in the schools. Anthroposophisrts often talk of quoting out of context- it is a ruse to mislead again- if you quote the full context it still carries the same meaning.
I think anyone who purposely misuses an author's words to promote their own agenda deserves the highest scrutiny. I think that when a person takes words and use them without the proper context, or reference to the body of knowledge that lends itself to understanding the word in order to create a negative image and distort the reality of what IS does this at peril of their own demise.
The oddity of critics is one doesn't know what their intentions are. If their intention is to warn people about the "dangers" of Waldorf then they must be personally hurt by Waldorf. I do not get a sense of ego-less altruism in critics enthusiastic description of Waldorf. It is ironic that Waldorf critics waste so much time on quoting or misquoting Steiner. I find the fact that people claim to have "Studied" Steiner - as if it was a course with a grade- puzzling...
Even if some of Steiner's lectures were meant only for fellow anthroposophists many are addressed to teachers, and talk of worming their way into schools, of teachers having a sacred task,he told them they are carrying out a "divine cosmic plan" and having to undo harm parents have done. He described waldorf pedagogy as helping humans turn towards spiritual activity, to save their souls from materialism.Steiner said that anthroposophy is in schools & that the staff consist of anthroposophists
Michael is currently the leading spirit/angel of our time period (300 years) and his devoted followers are on earth serving him, and working towards the redemption of humanity.Steiner education serves as a way to gently guide these children, these followers of Michael, into incarnating properly, healthfully, and gently waking them to their destiny.
That makes this sweet seeming ceremony take on a different hue doesn't it...how many parents are aware of this meaning?
Yes and perhaps the Other point of Michaelmas is to create our own festivals, reasons to join together periodically and create something meaingful.Adding meaning to your life is a personal and social task. Creating an impression of Waldorf as a brainwashing sect is simply untrue irrespective of specific details within a Steiner lecture. Those anthroposophical lectures abort Archangel Michael where meant for his fellow anthroposophists, not children at a Waldorf School.
I truly believe that it is more helpful to address the very real concerns that conscious people have Within the Waldorf movement - and there are many- without the tar and feathers tactic of spearing false information designed to scare people from getting more accurate information.
Please can you tell me Raphael- which of my posts contain false information? I have read Steiner, and , as anthroposophists and Steiner supporters advocate, done research and informed myself.
Why is Michealmas so important to steiner waldorf? because we are living in the Michaelean ag Michael is the current leading spirit/angel of our time. The children in the school are part of the Michaelic School in the spirit world, meaning they are loyal to the archangel Michael- St. Michael who conquered the demon,and St. George who conquered the dragon.The children are meeting with him between their last life and birth into this one.
LOL! so true my friend, we aren't christian at all! though we learn the old testament in 3rd grade, we learn all about pagan gods in fourth and fifth. at least at my waldorf school. that's the way we roll.
" materialistic races remain at the standpoint of evil, and will people the earth as evil races. It will lie entirely with humanity as to whether a soul will remain in the bad race or will ascend by spiritual culture to a good race."Rudolf Steiner
"On one side we find the black race, which is earthly at most. If it moves to the West, it becomes extinct. We also have the yellow race, which is in the middle between earth and the cosmos. If it moves to the East, it becomes brown, attaches itself too much to the cosmos, and becomes extinct. The white race is the future, the race that is creating spirit." Rudolf Steiner
"If the blonds and blue-eyed people die out, the human race will become increasingly dense...Blond hair actually bestows intelligence. In the case of fair people, less nourishment is driven into the eyes and hair; it remains instead in the brain and endows it with intelligence. Brown- and dark-haired people drive the substances into their eyes and hair that the fair people retain in their brains." Rudolf Steiner
Wow, did he really say that? I've never heard that. Very odd... Oh well. I'm blonde so I obviously don't agree with that, although I do know the majority of non-Waldorf educated people strongly agree with him, hence the numerous blonde jokes that exist... Maybe it's just his idea of a blonde joke? =)
and also, i dont know whats so bad with Rudolf Steiner wanting us to know about all different kinds of cultures and religions-i wouldnt call that racist at all. and also, they dont say all religions are the same, they leave that up to us to decide, and the majority of cultures have the same kind of root-but this just brings up a whole different kind of conversation.
hey letsgetcherrypie its good ur sticking up for ur school but u should here what there saying. It is considered a cult (although it may not be) by some people. Oh and by the way letsgetcherrypie or Hanna dotn even yell at me because i kno u and i will slap u in the face if u yell at me (lol jk jk)
Steiner Waldorf schools are based in anthroposophy- which is considered a cult by some people. They are very secretive- a self named esoteric society- only an enlightened few know the whole knowlege. Their cetral belief is that all humans have the ability to communicate with the spirit world, and the schools are to help children re- incarnate.Steiner also had racist views about the aryans etc.
You obviously really don't know anything about Waldorf education do you? Not one thing that you said in your comment is true about my Waldorf School or any that I know of. The central belief around Waldorf is that you learn through your head, your heart, and your hands. NOT that all humans have the ability to talk to the spirit world and it is in no way a racist school. All cultures and races are excepted and celebrated. Do your research next time.
I know masses about steinerwaldorf, yrs of experience. Have you read Steiner? Anthroposophy is deliberately not taught, but USED. The pupils are vessels to be reincarnated. You are brainwashed.
Nope, I went to a Steiner School and I don't believe in reincarnation. Also still deciding on my religious beliefs and have only ever been encouraged to make up my own mind in my own time. I'm 20 now. I'm not brainwashed, but I do know that those were some of the happiest years of my life. =)
Try reading Steiner , then you may become better informed. You are being led by the anthroposophists who want to mould humanity for the future. The curriculium is specifically designed for this purpose.
rudolph steiner and his "anthroposophy" crap is part of the I AM movement with mates like Blavatsky and Gurdjieff. they indoctrinate the kids to believe eastern mystics are the most enlightened of human beings and that all religions and cultures are the same;, completely obliterating all differences between us, jesus and muhammad and krishna and buddha and sundiata are all the same person.
I go to a steiner school, and it doesnt matter what religion you are, we learn to accept people for who they really are and support them. Only when i started at Michael Hall did i realise who i am. the friends i made there will be friends for life. <3
michaelhallisawsome 11 months ago
the great dragon was hurld down by the ark angel...micheal
TheVipernick 1 year ago
you guys are fucking nazis
thekeegan985 1 year ago
yay kimberton waldorf school!
deathbydarkchocolate 1 year ago
Waldorf is an indoctrination/recruiting arm of the Anthroposophical Society, which exists solely to advance the occult philosophies of Rudolf Steiner.
That bears repeating: Steiner invented his own religion. To get a feel for Steiner's peers, check out Charles Manson, Shoko Asahara , Sun Myung Moon , Dabid Koresh, Jim Jones and L Ron Hubbard.
1nationunderagroove 1 year ago 2
I've read all the comments. An insufficient understanding of spiritual science appears to be at the root of them.Lucifer,like Ahriman is clearly identified by Steiner as impulses that derail mankind's Christ centered path of development.Theosophy's Luciferic centeredness,along with the Krishnamurti fiasco,caused him to leave in disgust and found Anthroposophy.Any Steiner scholar knows that his books teachings govern over lectures because he wrote the books himself. Lectures were notes by others.
ChristianFreemason 1 year ago
What i liked about the Waldorf school i went to where all the stories about gnomes and elves etc. and that the teachers always insisted that they really exist.
What i DIDN'T like about it was that like after the 7. grade the teachers where suddenly like "haha... there are no gnomes and elves... we don't even believe in any of the stuff we where telling you ourselves... we where just making it up cause we thought you would have a nicer childhood that way..."
Supenmanu 2 years ago
it's not that different from public schools, i mean other than the garden and goats
webkinzrool14 2 years ago
we wanted to put in a garden on the far back part of our property. After we asked the "gnomes" permission of course!
helpmetony 2 years ago
I think your both Liars...and if you really go to a waldorf school (I doubt it) Have you ever been to pubic school??
Where you do NOTHING but stare at books and paper all day...The grass is NOT always greener on the otherside.
Novasmom08 2 years ago 2
@Novasmom08 I don't think there is such a thing as a "pubic"school haha.
Macgilleanders 8 months ago
@Macgilleanders
Wow....Good one....Is that all you could come up with? a missing letter? LMFAO, people are Lame...(Must be the public schooling huh)
Novasmom08 7 months ago
@Novasmom08 Dude I go to Michael Hall!
Macgilleanders 7 months ago
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trex121592 3 years ago
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I went 2 one of those schools as a kid, IT WAS SOOOO GAY!!!! (like u said)
YTuserfromnowhere 3 years ago
i'm going to one right now it sucks jeez
trex121592 3 years ago
What is not apparent is the point of this criticism. Scientologist have ex members who want to stop them called anonymous. they have a great interest in revealing the organization. I do not understand Waldorf critics who read Steiner and quote him for years, write blogs daily, all to distinguish themselves from the organization. Well the unhappy news is the "organization" isn't as organized as opponents would like. What is it that critics want? To close Waldorf schools? Stop free people? Explain
Raphael3008 3 years ago
Just defending the children. Waldorf is bizarre and is rooted in non-Christian, pagan traditions and yet try to diguise themselves by teaching some biblical truths and sing some Christian songs. Again I say bizarre but nothing new!
lil1gio 3 years ago
You mean the use of biblical stories in the third grade? I don't know what "biblical truths" you refer to. They are NOT in the Waldorf curriculum. Not sure why Christianity is an issue as schools may not promote Christianity in any case.
Raphael3008 3 years ago
@Raphael3008 Because when you go to a Christian school, you know it is Christian and the philsophies behind it. Waldorf schools are not as forthcoming. A person doesn't know the occult behind it. Otherwise, they would put it in their literature, tell parents, and not get defensive when asked.
texantrue 11 months ago
The point of being open about Steiner and the anthroposophoical movenment is just that- being open, honest, truthful.My "point" as a "critic" is to open people's eyes to what lies behind the so called creative "free" education on offer, which rarely mentions the spiritual heart. The anthroposophical movenment is dishonest in it's selling - of education and biodynamic agriculture and medicine; which, by the way, is very "organised" and extremely profitable.
tenguineas 3 years ago
I'm puzzled as to what you mean by "distorting reality"- surely Steiner's realty and that of his followeres, is the belief that spiritual worlds exist,clairvoyancy and incarnation as scientific fact, that evolution began on Atlantis, man was around with the dinasaurs, cosmic forces, spirit humans floating around the moon in jelly, angels and gnomes as real beings- is that the reality you mean? "At peril " of "demise" you say- so is that to mean we won't incarnate to higher spiritual planes? Sad
tenguineas 3 years ago
I'm interested that you, Raphael, seem to think people who don't believe in your pseudo religion/belief system/occult science, and disagree with the guru who inventedit has an agenda, or warrants scrutiny; go ahead- scrutinise all - the criticisms are based on logical fact, rather than clairvoyant visions.Anthroposophists will often say Styeiner's words are taken out oif context- but i can assure anyone- context or not, they still pass on the same skewed ideas- read Steiner and see.
tenguineas 3 years ago
Raphael- but the Steiner Waldorf movement takes Steiner's words- almost verbatum, and uses them to foist a pseudo religious belief system on unsuspecting children! Can you not see the irony of your statement?!!The Waldorf movenment lie deceive and mislead in order to get children enrolled in the schools. Anthroposophisrts often talk of quoting out of context- it is a ruse to mislead again- if you quote the full context it still carries the same meaning.
tenguineas 3 years ago
I think anyone who purposely misuses an author's words to promote their own agenda deserves the highest scrutiny. I think that when a person takes words and use them without the proper context, or reference to the body of knowledge that lends itself to understanding the word in order to create a negative image and distort the reality of what IS does this at peril of their own demise.
Raphael3008 3 years ago
The oddity of critics is one doesn't know what their intentions are. If their intention is to warn people about the "dangers" of Waldorf then they must be personally hurt by Waldorf. I do not get a sense of ego-less altruism in critics enthusiastic description of Waldorf. It is ironic that Waldorf critics waste so much time on quoting or misquoting Steiner. I find the fact that people claim to have "Studied" Steiner - as if it was a course with a grade- puzzling...
Raphael3008 3 years ago
Even if some of Steiner's lectures were meant only for fellow anthroposophists many are addressed to teachers, and talk of worming their way into schools, of teachers having a sacred task,he told them they are carrying out a "divine cosmic plan" and having to undo harm parents have done. He described waldorf pedagogy as helping humans turn towards spiritual activity, to save their souls from materialism.Steiner said that anthroposophy is in schools & that the staff consist of anthroposophists
tenguineas 3 years ago
Michael is currently the leading spirit/angel of our time period (300 years) and his devoted followers are on earth serving him, and working towards the redemption of humanity.Steiner education serves as a way to gently guide these children, these followers of Michael, into incarnating properly, healthfully, and gently waking them to their destiny.
That makes this sweet seeming ceremony take on a different hue doesn't it...how many parents are aware of this meaning?
tenguineas 3 years ago
Yes and perhaps the Other point of Michaelmas is to create our own festivals, reasons to join together periodically and create something meaingful.Adding meaning to your life is a personal and social task. Creating an impression of Waldorf as a brainwashing sect is simply untrue irrespective of specific details within a Steiner lecture. Those anthroposophical lectures abort Archangel Michael where meant for his fellow anthroposophists, not children at a Waldorf School.
Raphael3008 3 years ago
I truly believe that it is more helpful to address the very real concerns that conscious people have Within the Waldorf movement - and there are many- without the tar and feathers tactic of spearing false information designed to scare people from getting more accurate information.
Raphael3008 3 years ago
Please can you tell me Raphael- which of my posts contain false information? I have read Steiner, and , as anthroposophists and Steiner supporters advocate, done research and informed myself.
tenguineas 3 years ago
Why is Michealmas so important to steiner waldorf? because we are living in the Michaelean ag Michael is the current leading spirit/angel of our time. The children in the school are part of the Michaelic School in the spirit world, meaning they are loyal to the archangel Michael- St. Michael who conquered the demon,and St. George who conquered the dragon.The children are meeting with him between their last life and birth into this one.
tenguineas 3 years ago
Nice:)
TheToltec 3 years ago
Okay this is a creepy video!
This school is teaching the New Age belief. The roots are Luciferean. I've done a lot of research on it. This is not a place for the true Christian.
lil1gio 3 years ago
LOL! so true my friend, we aren't christian at all! though we learn the old testament in 3rd grade, we learn all about pagan gods in fourth and fifth. at least at my waldorf school. that's the way we roll.
xvili 3 years ago
waldorf is fucking racist. the nazi's hate the men!
scballer3211 3 years ago
" materialistic races remain at the standpoint of evil, and will people the earth as evil races. It will lie entirely with humanity as to whether a soul will remain in the bad race or will ascend by spiritual culture to a good race."Rudolf Steiner
tenguineas 4 years ago
"On one side we find the black race, which is earthly at most. If it moves to the West, it becomes extinct. We also have the yellow race, which is in the middle between earth and the cosmos. If it moves to the East, it becomes brown, attaches itself too much to the cosmos, and becomes extinct. The white race is the future, the race that is creating spirit." Rudolf Steiner
tenguineas 4 years ago
"If the blonds and blue-eyed people die out, the human race will become increasingly dense...Blond hair actually bestows intelligence. In the case of fair people, less nourishment is driven into the eyes and hair; it remains instead in the brain and endows it with intelligence. Brown- and dark-haired people drive the substances into their eyes and hair that the fair people retain in their brains." Rudolf Steiner
tenguineas 4 years ago
Wow, did he really say that? I've never heard that. Very odd... Oh well. I'm blonde so I obviously don't agree with that, although I do know the majority of non-Waldorf educated people strongly agree with him, hence the numerous blonde jokes that exist... Maybe it's just his idea of a blonde joke? =)
hmmmmm1988 3 years ago
what school was this?it wasnt mine but it looks soooo close to my school sunrise waldorf school
cheeliimoosic 4 years ago
and also, i dont know whats so bad with Rudolf Steiner wanting us to know about all different kinds of cultures and religions-i wouldnt call that racist at all. and also, they dont say all religions are the same, they leave that up to us to decide, and the majority of cultures have the same kind of root-but this just brings up a whole different kind of conversation.
tuchiguajata 4 years ago
going to a waldorf school was the best thing that has happened in my life so far
this video brings back a lot of memories!
tuchiguajata 4 years ago
hey letsgetcherrypie its good ur sticking up for ur school but u should here what there saying. It is considered a cult (although it may not be) by some people. Oh and by the way letsgetcherrypie or Hanna dotn even yell at me because i kno u and i will slap u in the face if u yell at me (lol jk jk)
P.S. love u Hanna!! (or do I???)
MeowNya12 4 years ago
you should not comment badly abou this video if you have not been to a waldorf school and that is my school and it is not a cult! POST THAT!!!!!
letsgetcherrypie 4 years ago
hey please do not comment this video badly if you have even been to a waldorf school and that is my school and it is not a cult! POST THAT!!!!!
letsgetcherrypie 4 years ago
Steiner Waldorf schools are based in anthroposophy- which is considered a cult by some people. They are very secretive- a self named esoteric society- only an enlightened few know the whole knowlege. Their cetral belief is that all humans have the ability to communicate with the spirit world, and the schools are to help children re- incarnate.Steiner also had racist views about the aryans etc.
tenguineas 4 years ago
You obviously really don't know anything about Waldorf education do you? Not one thing that you said in your comment is true about my Waldorf School or any that I know of. The central belief around Waldorf is that you learn through your head, your heart, and your hands. NOT that all humans have the ability to talk to the spirit world and it is in no way a racist school. All cultures and races are excepted and celebrated. Do your research next time.
zoeg0224 4 years ago
I know masses about steinerwaldorf, yrs of experience. Have you read Steiner? Anthroposophy is deliberately not taught, but USED. The pupils are vessels to be reincarnated. You are brainwashed.
tenguineas 4 years ago
Nope, I went to a Steiner School and I don't believe in reincarnation. Also still deciding on my religious beliefs and have only ever been encouraged to make up my own mind in my own time. I'm 20 now. I'm not brainwashed, but I do know that those were some of the happiest years of my life. =)
hmmmmm1988 3 years ago 9
Try reading Steiner , then you may become better informed. You are being led by the anthroposophists who want to mould humanity for the future. The curriculium is specifically designed for this purpose.
tenguineas 4 years ago
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you, because I, unlike you, have better things to do.
zoeg0224 4 years ago
it's true, Steiner was a crazy b****rd but my school doesn't teach his philosophy. at all.
xvili 3 years ago
u fuckin wankers do u actualy know wat goes on at a steiner school??? its about a million times better than all the SHIT state schools u pricks
davidido14 4 years ago
You better see a psychiatrist before you start another suicide cult.
aurumvore 4 years ago
thats the dumbest Michaelmas fair i have eaver seen
theryerty 4 years ago
waldorf schools are run by a cult you
rudolph steiner and his "anthroposophy" crap is part of the I AM movement with mates like Blavatsky and Gurdjieff. they indoctrinate the kids to believe eastern mystics are the most enlightened of human beings and that all religions and cultures are the same;, completely obliterating all differences between us, jesus and muhammad and krishna and buddha and sundiata are all the same person.
elchasai 4 years ago
bf skinner kept his child locked in a cage for 3 years is this the kind of platonic allegory you want perpetrated on your child?
elchasai 4 years ago
Yep!
rugshort 4 years ago
is this at T.W.S?
gerrardroone 4 years ago
Perhaps if you had more of an education yourself, you would find a better way to express yourself than comments like the above.
theolearys 5 years ago
i fucking hate all this bollocks. stcik to the education, PLEASE!
sangraal202 5 years ago