"We have nothing against Muslims," Terry Jones. "Islam is of the devil," Terry Jones. Is this guy for real? I hate mustaches. Let's burn them..... let's start with Terry Jones'.
If you want to burn your copy of the quran and you do it according to fire safety regulations, that's your own business. Personally I think book burnings are a sign of low intelligence, but hey, people have the right to be stupid.
Rebel rous'er - it's obvious he just wants our attention. We all know what he is doing but we can't help ourselves. It's like watching the guy on a motorcycle ride up a ramp to jump over some cars. We want to see the 'accident' likely to occur.
fuck this old man. im muslim. but im not arabic or even from the middle east. this man doesnt realize that the CRAZY terrorist group are extreamists and really dont value the true meaning of islam. people rush to give everyone a bad name way too fast. smh @ thos who do that.. but thats my opinion.
THIS is why the Caucasian/Anglo-Saxon race will be wiped out if people like this are going to be the American spoke-person.
This is why the American South is viewed as stupid, ill-inbred, hicks and not to mention realize anytime they wish to counter-attack in arguments find out they cherry pick what's in your back yard as "mud-slinging" but go in their backyard; War is called for...
Edit: Mozlum: Code for "secret hooded klanzmen" listen very closely.
Bitch old bastard is stupid df hell is wrong with u, Man he is just a old man that believes what he believes in, He Is not Of GOD OR Any good spirit. man smh
@TheChristianRight09 The comment you removed... Are you afraid to publicly ask it?
As if I'm afraid. I don't see how that has any relevance to anything I said anyway, please, elaborate further why a person would have a phobia of answering a stupid question.
Masha Allah !! may ALLAH bless this little girl, she is so cute reciting quran, may ALLAH bless her with health,wealth and all the Happiness of the world..AMEEN.
Wow this guy doesn't even know the difference between a religious "law" and a law set by a bunch of morons. Women not being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with Islam. That's a law made by their stupid government. The laws of Islam are to believe that there is no god but God, to pray, to fast, charitable giving and pilgrimage. That's all so leave Islam alone
The man may be a fucking retard, but he's right on some things.. Why do we defend oppression? Why do we endorse this foolish ideology? Don't get me wrong, let everyone believe in the Koran all he likes, but we could start by destroying retarded mid evil things like the Hadith... Religion works just like the nazi's did, there are enough fools who will silently join so they can dominate once the time is there... Nothing to do with islam, but with life in general.. Stop islam and religion!
@TTFLS2 Why the FUCK would burning a Quran be 'saying a stop to brutality'? The man is not right. 'We believe the times call for it, it calls for radical times.'
So religious RADICALS offend my PERSONAL moral and religious beliefs, calling for me to be RADICAL in my actions? That shit condradicts 'stop the brutality'. What the fuck is wrong with you, thinking someone defends oppression by supporting the Palestinians? The US government supports oppressive regimes, that is a fact.
@57worldwide Blablabla, I heard it all before.. They offend your personal believes, its not what religion means etc.. Its all a big nothing.. Its about what religion causes as a whole.. And there are benefits, I will give you that! But they just do not way up vs. down sides.. Of course you will not agree.. But that's okay.. You are still in the darkness... And one day you or one of your decedents will be freed!
@TTFLS2 Bla bla bla? I wasn't asking for the name of your favourite Ke$ha song.
Why do you say I am in the darkness, because I don't blame religions for the dark side of humanity? Supporting the US or Israeli government and their foreign policy, doubtlessly, is far worse than living by a set of religious creeds. You can't say militants or extremists, twisting a religious text for their own purposes, are a downside to religion.
@57worldwide Again, blablablablabla.. And I don't even know who this Kesha is.. You apparently do.. The FACT that you are basically saying that when someone commits triple homicide, its okay to knock a guy in a wheel chair, tells us enough about your pointer views... And the difference is, that there are BILLIONS of people, organizations and countries who are fighting for a better world in that sense.. Why do religious people refuse to evolve and let us carry the burden? Its terrible..
@57worldwide You can play the good Samaritan all you like and view your religion in a peaceful way if you like.. But its about what religion causes.. It fucks with people's minds.. Its holds back knowledge.. It causes conflict.. Its causes hatred etc etc etc etc etc etc.. And you cannot get away by saying; 'well, look at what america is doing'.. Which is a totally retarded comment anyway.. Look at what muslims are doing to muslims over there.. About 90% of the deaths I believe?
@TTFLS2 That is nonsense. A person can't evolve, evolution happens over many generations. Which fact are you referring to when you are talking about it being'okay to knock a guy in a wheel chair'?
Again, you cannot say religion causes people's actions. People should be responsible for their actions, you are being immature saying the religion is to blame for any human action. Why do think religious people are a burden? Surely the burden is the ignorant person clinging to their prejudice...
@57worldwide Hahahahahahahaha loooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!! R u serious? Hahahahahahaha, if evolution happens over generation, then it must mean we are ALL in evolutionary state.. And I didn't even mean the biological definition of the word.. Did u finish high school? And wtf is this shit about religion not causing any problems? You think I'm speaking of terrorism or some shit like that? I'm speaking about the million muslims in my country who reject and oppress their own gays.,.
@57worldwide Does Sharia not tell to kill those who act upon their homosexual lust? How can u even say such a retarded thing? Because when people do good, religion all of a sudden becomes a factor ey? Go and play with the rest of your lego friends o simple one, don't waste your time on subjects you cannot understand anyway you clown.. lol..
@TTFLS2 Your mentality can mature and your intelligence can decline, that is not evolution. When I do anything I take responsibility for my actions, as all true men do.
'Why do religious people refuse to evolve... we are ALL in evolutionary state' - did you intentionally contradict yourself?
I understand. You want to blame religion for people's actions. I disagree with your stance because human nature has not been derived from any book. Without any religion prejudice would still exist.
@57worldwide Wtf r u about? Again, did u finish high school? Not only was it implied, but did I explicitly mention I did not mean the biological definition of the word.. Wtf is wrong with you? Mentally challenged? Nobody is contradicting anything, but you.. I'm surprised you even know how to put on pants in the morning.. And I do not want to blame religion for people's actions.. Which you would have known if you had the reading skills of an 8 year old...
@57worldwide Does Sharia say or not say to kill those who act upon homosexual thoughts? You may not see this as a problem, but I do.. So the least you could do is recognize this is a problem to me,.. But instead you whine about me wanting to blamer religion for people's actions.. If your goddamn retarded book literally says to kill gays then my fight IS with religion monkey boy.. I think its time we put you in a institution for the mentally challenged...
@TTFLS2 'my fight IS with religion...And I do not want to blame religion for people's actions' So who are you blaming for people's actions then?
A definition of evolve is to gradually develop. Also give off, emit, yield. So if religious people are developing their faith, they are evolving...Yet they somehow refuse to evolve?
its time 'we' put 'you' - don't spend your life telling people they are lesser beings. Focus on what the fuck you need to accomplish and stop being petty blaming others!
@57worldwide Wtf r u talking about? R u mentally challenged? Why do u keep ignoring what I write, all though its clear they refuted EVERYTHING I said.. And wtf is with your vocabulary? NOBODY EVER INTENTIONED THE BIOLOGICAL MEANING OF THE WORD DEVELOPING.. And your word are complete shit too.. You are basically saying that if people are getting into their religion they are developing religion.. Actually they are developing themselves...
@57worldwide Again, r u mentally challenged? Of course you are religious and see your religion as an eternal truth that should not be developed/changed.. But I disagree.. This is all what was meant.. Now lets stay with this.. You may have your opinion about gay people, but its a FACT islam states to kill those who engage in homosexual acts.. So again, my fight IS with religion.. It has NOTHING to do with people's actions, but literally with what is written in your retarded book...
@57worldwide Do seriously after about 15 comments still not understand this? I am not asking you to agree or anything.. But do you seriously still fail to see the point here? Again, r u mentally challenged? Religious people need to develop their religion into one that does NOT reject homosexuals.. And this is just one of the thousands and thousands of examples I could give... But instead of at least recognizing people like me see things this way, you just keep spamming your retarded words...
@TTFLS2 'Religious people need to develop their religion into one that does NOT reject homosexuals' - as most major religions involve encouraging the growth of their religion, homosexual adherents may cause the heterosexuals to lose confidence. Think about it like politics: If the left tries to appeal to the right, some members of the left will lose heart in the party and stop supporting it. Also, having babies is one of the fastest ways to grow the religions. Just some points.
@57worldwide actually anyone that has an account that looks like your YouTube account should close out their account, because it is uninteresting... Is your life as basic as your YouTube page????
No, I don't make videos of the exciting things in my life. I go onto YouTube, to learn and educate as well as for entertainment. The internet is a tool, just like you want to be.
Was my channel enough for you to have your potential questioning answered, and your curiosity satisfied?
@57worldwide You take one sentence of mine out of context because your brain obviously has trouble comphrehending the most simple things, first you act like its something about biologic, then you act like it has something to do with people developing themselves with religion and in the mean while you simply do not understand the most simple things.. GAYS are being REJECTED because of what your so called holy books says.. This is a FACT,...
@57worldwide And its also a FACT that this means my fight is with religion.. You call me petty, but its actually quite pathetic that human rights are being violated and that you simply deny that your religion encourages this.. Instead you try to play some word games, which you fail miserably at.. And the only reason you do not see this yourself, is because you are utter retarded.. FACT!
@TTFLS2 Just think about what you are claiming. Are all religions or religious people prejudiced against homosexuals? I would say no.
I never played word games. It's obvious to me you misinterpret me, as though I'm trying to play games on YouTube. You presume to know my intellectual capacity judging by comments I made on this video? That is truly stupid.
Human rights are being violated by many different factions, not just religious people. You should broaden the scope of your criticisms.
@57worldwide Again, you are missing the point.. Saying you are intellectual and then proving the opposite actually means you are not intellectual.. You are in denial of the fact that Sharia literally says to kill gay people.. The fact that thousands of others forms of human rights are being violated, has NOTHING to do with weather a part of this problem shouldn't be addressed.. How the fuck do u think human rights got here in the first place braniac? Like was it done in 7 days lol?
@TTFLS2 Done in 7 days...lol... I suggest you do some research on the Islamic Golden Ages, the Arabic world had freedom of speech before Western Europeans did. Your refusal to accept the fact you aren't 100% correct is not related to my intelligence in any way.
Human rights are being violated by the US, Israel and countless other governments... Is Islam to blame in these instances as well?
@57worldwide Those violations actually have to do with very very specific things.. Which brings us back to the same arguments again, 2 wrongs don't make a right.. You keep speaking of intelligence, but instead of disagreeing with me you are not even understanding the very simplistic theories I am offering you.. Can't disagree with what you do not understand.. You are basically saying that if the US violates human rights, sharia saying gays should be killed is okay.. I mean, wtf?
@TTFLS2 I am saying that you can't blame religion for all the violations of human righs, or to imply that one violation of human rights is worse than another.
You are choosing a sentence of mine which you disagree with. Do you agree with the rest, or do you find it unimportant to your argument against religion/religious people?
There is such a thing as a moderate Muslim, why Islam somehow isn't attributed to their morals and social standards (by you) is beyond me.
@57worldwide Again, your are missing the point.. How can that be ffs? 2 wrongs don't make a right.. If a corrupt system leads to corrupt leaders, it must be dealt with.. If drugs lead to violations of human rights, it needs to be handled.. etc etc etc etc etc.. And from me you will never hear that islam did not also contributed to a lot of good things and still does.. Hens not a desire to get rid of religion, but to disarm it and show it for what it is..
@TTFLS2 Alot of what you have presented is merely opinion. It is not drugs themselves which cause drug problems, it is a drug prohibition which causes drug problems. Just as alcohol and tobacco prohibition caused major alcohol problems and a rise in the power and strength of the organised criminals exploiting the prohibition.
I haven't missed your point once, I just don't agree with everything you say or possibly the way you are presenting your argument.
@57worldwide No you are missing it again.. How the fuck can that be, seriously? Its not even about the drugs and you are wrong about them anyway.. Its about bad things causing other bad things and you just love to fade them out against each other.. Just because other things cause bad things you like to say that Sharia doesn't literally say to kill gay people.. How funny since you do claim that islam causes good things.. Yet you are in denial of the negative aspects.. How can u be?
@57worldwide You think you are disagreeing, but your words just prove how small your mind is.. I mean seriously, I have explained it for about 10 times now and still you do not understand my point.. Wtf?! Its not that hard.. If you really would have understood my point you would either have agreed or show me an argument why sharia says to kill gay people will not cause to violate human rights.. This instead of trying to throw up some theory on why drugs do bad things..
@57worldwide Its not about drugs, its about action reaction.. How can u fail to miss this point? And don't say you didn't, because if you would you would never even have responded to drugs specifically.. And actually your words prove my point. You say there are problems with drugs and we should solve them. And I say, there are problems with religion too and we should solve them,. Simple as that.. please don't right another comment showing you still haven't understood this argument..
@57worldwide O and btw, you are completely wrong on drugs.. I live in the Netherlands, which is still the most progressive country in the world when it comes to drugs.. I can't get arrested for a max. of 5 grams of cocaine or at least will never be sentenced for it.. You can buy weed here on every street corner. However there is a distinction you must make. Prohibiting weed is causing more people to be addicted to hard drugs as we call them here.
@57worldwide Simply for the fact that if you buy weed from some guy of the street, which most young people will do at one point in their life in this day and age, its very likely he will sell you weed with his right hand and coke with his left. Hens the people of addicts to hard drugs in my country, the drugs capital of the world, is about 7 times lower then the Western average. This however has NOTHING to do with legalizing cocaine, heroine, methamphetamine etc etc..
@57worldwide You are confusing things with each other. The prohibition of alcohol actually never had a negative effect on alcohol abuse, but more so on the crime it caused.. Two totally different things. And its indeed an interesting example since before the prohibition and after people, specially during and after war time, abused the substance like never before. And they still do to this age. Alcohol is the most destructive substance to this day.
@57worldwide It causes people to destroy their lives and those of others on a scale cocaine and all the drugs combined together, even with normal medication included, cannot match up to those who abuse alcohol. Lets indeed look at regular medications. I think in the US the use of 'legal' drugs in abusive ways is much higher then any classic drug could ever reach.. And even if it isn't, too lazy too look it up, its pretty much clear what happens when you legalize hard drugs..
@TTFLS2 Don't give hypotheticals about what you believe would happen if hard drugs were legal, when decriminalisation is not the exact same thing. The difference between illegalisation and decriminalisation means the addicts don't go to a prison for their problem. When were hard drugs legal?
Not every Muslim will attempt to kill a homosexual. Religion is not the worst problem in the world, it is not like it is the only thing with the action-reaction relationship.
@57worldwide By this time I really gotta ask if you can read.. Everything you say, imply, ask etc, has already been said.. People do not go to jail for hard drugs in my country.. Lol addicts can even use in centers specially build for them, get food, soup, shelter, treatment etc etc.. And wtf is this shit about not being able to compare cocaine and heroine with legal substances like 'zepam' series? Or alcohol? You are kidding right? You do have the slightest form of common sense I may presume?
@57worldwide And its funny how your forget that it was never about the drugs.. And the way you keep responding only proof you miss the simplest of things.. Jesus christ I don't even know why the hell I am responding to you.. Its about sources that cause trouble.. And again you are trying to even out problems vs. each other just because you cannot admit that islam deserves some problem solving attention..
@57worldwide And wth gives you the right to underestimate the problems islam causes.. Ever heard of a place called SA? Country that has almost never in history lost its prosperous economy.. Yet the rights of millions are being violated because of islam.. Here you have no imperialism, no large scale poverty, no faul history with foreign powers etc etc.. Yet millions of muslim gays are being rejected a normal life..
@57worldwide And sure, the beginning of intolerance in this case does not in anyway have to start at religion and would have been here anyway, however that does not set anyone free from the fact that it is not only a source for hate against gays, but also a pretty tough barrier to break.. I mean look at Western countries. There is no country in the world or in the history that has been so progressive towards gays as my country, that is a fact.. Yet..
@57worldwide Yet women and gays are being held outside of political and school systems and so many other important things.. You figure out how gay people who grow up in these communities must live their lives.. You cannot deny the difference between those communities, the believers who have and never will practice and those who do.. And since most of the world population is religious if you compare all the area's of monotheistic religions, you can also not deny this is a pretty big problem..
@57worldwide And I'm not talking about Bin Laden or whatever, because they would have been here anyway and would else maybe have called 'The Arab liberation front'. These groups have mostly to do with our governments abusing their people! I'm speaking of the day to day problems they cause. And no longer just in foreign countries, but in Western too.. I have 1 million muslims living in my country, that = +/- 120.000 gay people not being able to live to the standards we created here..
@TTFLS2 I know of the history of Saudi Arabia, how Britain supported the state's creation. Don't act like you know, when you don't know the history. Look at Western countries... Like there aren't non-Muslims who have demonised homsexuals and still do in the West? Religion is not always a cause, like you pretend it is.
No, we do not have to tolerate intolerance; Your intolerance of religion because you claim it is intolerant is almost ironic. You want 'them' to be like 'us', which is 'better'.
@57worldwide You are making assumptions and jumping from assumption to assumption simply because you are in denial of the facts.. They have been displayed out for you so clearly! Again you are marginalizing a problem by a, fading them out against other problems and b, pretending like there really isn't a problem worth mentioning.. In this process you just ignore all the facts presented to you.. You have no idea how I feel about muslims and people in general..
@TTFLS2 I'm not pretending there is no problem worth mentioning. I am saying that there are far more important problems which you should concentrate on before attempting to change religious views you don't agree with, to be views which more closely match your opinion.
I agree with you that intolerance must never be intolerated, just as true freedom ultimately leads to restriction. Homosexual rights are being threatened by many groups; not all Muslims endanger homosexuals.
@57worldwide Fuckface, maybe you could have waited, I just saw your responses now -_- Again, you are missing the point..! The gay thing is just one example of the bad, very bad aspects of a religion that thinks its unchangeable.. And again you are falling for the same ridiculous trap.. You act like I or others are only discussing this very subject of islam.. And then its all of a sudden okay to marginalize.. Wtf is up with that? Like we shouldn't and aren't fighting US hill billies? Wtf?
@57worldwide And yes homosexuals are being discriminated against by both atheists and christians, but there's a difference between general ignorance and the exclusion of these people from political parties, schools and pretty much the whole of their communities.. Its just as bad as with islam.. However with the Christians we found a breaking point in where they are willing to slowly reform their religion.. Something not happening anytime soon with islam...
@TTFLS2 Are you serious? Not all Christians are willing to change their beliefs. You can't tell someone who believes the Bible (or any scripture) is the word of God, needs to be changed so that my views are supported by it! Have you just admitted that your quest for religious reform is an unending and futile attempt to change the moral standards of someone who you think is morally inferior to yourself?
@57worldwide Pffff I can't even help myself responding to your childish comments.. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH I am sitting here like Homer ffs! Of course its about morals! Human morals! Again I catch you marginalizing a problem that just isn't as bad as your think.. The gay subject is such a wonderful wonderful example.. 120.000 people being rejected, puged over by their families in my country, something unseen even in christian communities..
@TTFLS2 Are you meaning to imply that Christians don't reject homosexuality? If you want to generalise, in order to back your opinion up, do so.
The problem with the moral issue is that you want their morals to be more close to your own views. What makes your morals so right? What is making your societal structure the best? Can you tell me how many homosexuals have been killed by Muslims in your country?
@TTFLS2 Where did I say it was okay to discriminate against anyone? I am merely meaning to imply that not every Muslim is discriminating against the homosexuals in your country. It's not my business, but it's yours? It's your business how many human rights are being violated outside your nations borders, yet I can't ask you about homosexual discrimination by Muslims in your homeland?
You don't have to repeat anything, but it would be nice if you tried not to insult me.
@57worldwide Wtf r u speaking of? We have dealt with this subject for comments and comments and comments now.. Wtf u mean u can't ask about it? Wtf is wrong with you? Jesus christ do I literally have to repeat everything I say, 10 times? You keep on saying that you understand what is being written, but your words keep proving you wrong.. Its not about discrimination vs blacks in the past, but about the example if these people would have been black...
@57worldwide Just so to make clear how ridiculous your attempts to marginalize hate against gays in muslim communities.. But instead of understanding this and a- or disagreeing with it, you go and whine about how blacks could never escape their identity.. Which does not only mean you have misunderstood the whole example, but in the same time there is no other meaning behind your words but to express you don't really see this as a big problem..
@57worldwide And the fucked up thing about this is that we keep on getting back to the same issues, simply because you won't read and/or think properly.. And even if you do feel the pain of gay people in muslim communities here in Western Europe(30 million people) and truly believe that there are problems that must be dealt in such a way that its truly not worth mentioning at the time.. If you really believe that.. Why the fuck do u think I would care? Is that what we are speaking of?
@57worldwide Not to mention, the christian are fucking assholes too when it comes to this.. I am debating a christian as we speak..! But lets turn this around right.. Lets say these 120.000 people where black.. And when they walk the streets they get harassed, yelled out, whispered about, beat into wheelchairs, harassed out of their homes, threatened with death, rejected from schools, politics, general jobs both in the government as in business life etc etc..
@TTFLS2 If you want to talk about Blacks being discriminated against, they still are in the US. It took decades of even violent protest to change some of the social inequalities faced by minorities in segregated USA. The difference between a Black and a homosexual, is that a homosexual can hide their sexuality, Blacks were second class whereas homsexuals aren't. Blacks are born Black, you can see that at a glance. You don't have to guess.
@57worldwide How can u misunderstand such a simple example like that? You cannot leave one comment behind without contradicting yourself either... And once again I notice you cannot read either.. You tell me yourself discrimination against blacks is awful, but then deny its awful for gays too.. No instead you again pose some semi argument why it is less worse for gays.. And when will you let go I have anything but the same criticism for christians and specially practicing christians..
@57worldwide Loooooooool I have given you numerous of examples and facts for.. And still you act like its not written or either not true.. How can this be?
@TTFLS2 Did I deny discrimination against homosexuals is awful for homosexuals? No, I didn't. The persecution of Blacks is different to the persecution of homosexuals. Blacks don't ever get to be White.
I feel like you are either misunderstanding me because I'm questioning you, or that you question me because my opinion isn't the same as yours. Why do you think you can't possibly be wrong in your method? Criticising Islam is not the same as demanding it to conform to your moral standard.
@57worldwide This whole discussion never was about weather you or I think it should be given attention, should be dealt with.. Its about weather unchangeable islam causes damage outside of regular frames and statistics.. The conclusion is that it does, the facts tell us.. Its not about religion disappearing, its not about wanting people to be like me/atheist, its not about racism, its not about unfounded fear etc etcetc, its simply about just criticism on islam...
@57worldwide And you just refure to admit it because you are so hung up in this idea that your pink glasses, with which you look to the world at, is the truth, you where so convinced I was just some smug, you where already so convinced before we started this discussion, that you simply cannot just admit islam causes problems on a scale and in ways that should not be ignored.. The facts tell us so.. What is there to debate about?
@TTFLS2 If you were criticising Islam, like you claim you are doing, you would not give the example of Saudi Arabia. If the problem there is that the law and religion are both to close, the law should change. I would agree with that. That is not at all what you are saying, you are saying that you want their morals more closely aligned to your own.
This is a personal issue, if you want to criticise personal beliefs. Where have I said that discrimination of any sort is acceptable or excusable?
@57worldwide Again, its all been written down once.. If you cannot understand the difference between wanting people to change their behavior to fit your own image of what is good and basic human rights then that is completely up to you.. And it also brings us of course again to your marginalization of this problem.. And again you assume things you have no clue about, which is called using straw men arguments.. This has nothing to do with SA's struggle to real democracy or something..
@57worldwide It has to do with the day to day things, not only in SA, but over the entire world.. And how many times should I repeat myself that I have exactly the same criticism on christians! Criticising the hell out of them is a hell of a way to modernize religion! Look at media like stand up comedians, tv shows, books etc etc.. It works! And its needed.. Just because you margninalize the problem, just because you think there are some magical problems that tell us not to deal with these,
@57worldwide doesn't mean other people will too.. How can it be that after so many comments you just can't admit religion and islam too, specially islam, causes grieve on a scale so enormous and so unnecessary, which the facts tell us...?! Why is it so hard for you? That is all what this debate was about.. And yet after so many facts you still deny the truth.. The facts.. Instead of admitting it you keep throwing around weak arguments, mostly almost copies from one of my previous comments..
@TTFLS2 Think about what you are implying; As though criticism on tv of any religion has caused the the extreme believers to change their beliefs. No, it hasn't. That's what I'm saying. You are saying it is about human rights; Then, the dabate should be the Eastern political structure and laws. If there is support for these laws inside their country, who are you to say they need to change? If there is an autocratic system of control, why would demanding them to change beliefs solve the problem?
@57worldwide Wtf are you talking about? 200 years of severe criticism on religion has made a WORLD of difference in Western Europe.. And again you ignore basic human rights.. Its not about borders.. Its about over 1 billion people who are under the control of a 1400 year old book.. These are people all over the planet.. And in this case religion often is the law, specially with Islam.. You can say all the fluffy things about islam you like, but its a fact sharia states to kill them..
@57worldwide So even in the best scenario, muslim countries will kill homosexuals exactly according to islam.. And its not even about the executions, but more so about the effect on day to day life.. How are muslims ever gonna respect, love and accept homosexuals if their o so holy says to kill them? And again you marginalize the problem and homosexuals.. You are basically saying its up to the countries themselves.. Its their choice..
@57worldwide And that's exactly, my retarded friend, where the border of self control and basic universal human rights are.. And the fact you actually think it should be a choice, just proves again, for like the 100th time now, how you marginalize a problem that is among over a billion people and those are just the muslims.. Almost half of the world population if you count the christians and the Jews.. Yet its a choice that should be made by the countries themselves..
@57worldwide Like it was when slavery ended? Even after my country officially gave it up, as one of the worst slave traders in the world, it took almost 10 years before the US got government down to its knees to give the trade up.. Wasn't Bush elected with the support of the people? Re-elected? Wasn't he? Democracy is a fail when it comes to many matters.. Some things have to be pushed.. And how funny that we again speak of a specific topic which proves you never understood why I brought it up!
@TTFLS2 Actually, there are many who believe the election where Bush was re-elected was rigged. He did not win that election. Which is besides the point.
I can understand and agree with fighting against human rights abuse. When you brought up Saudi Arabia (I'm assuming that is the SA you meant), you brought up a country with autocratic countrol; A country where the king can remove the government. You are simply looking at the issue with your own personal perspective.
@57worldwide The gay thing is just a minor example.. Not minor, but an example.. The difference between religious gay hate and regular ignorance, is that one is easily cured and the other quite the opposite.. And this barrier religion forms, it forms on all kinds of different platforms.. Nobody can deny that religious people are mostly quite less intelligent then atheists.. Why is that? I have met so many religious people who just can't see straight..
@57worldwide If you look at the way you perceive the world as a fishing net, it will soon become obvious there are just too many holes in those of people who are religious.. Which is dangerous for all of us.. History as well as present prove this.. The thread that is used by all of us to form a fishing net so that we can filter this life, is just too corrupted with religious people when you compare them with atheists.. That is a fact...
@57worldwide I mean, think about it, if your fishing net starts with handles to throw it out and pull back in when its full and religious people do not have these handles, but instead some retarded creationist idea of the world, how the hell are they supposed to go fishing? And the argument for letting people do what they want is just absolutely ridiculous.. We are not speaking of their thoughts, their religion, the way they look, the way they talk etc, but simply about their faul actions..
@57worldwide How the hell are you supposed to apply general logic to the world when religion holds you back from that? I wish these people would only apply their thoughts to religion, but unfortunately specially people who have been brought up with religion, can't.. They apply their strange way of logic, which often isn't logic at all but just perceived this way by them, to everything.. And we are all everything.. So fuck yeah it is my business.!
@TTFLS2 Why would you apply logic to illogical ideas in the first place? You cannot argue against emotion and cause it to concede by using reason as the tool to do so. When the Sunni and Shi'ite can't convince each other they are wrong, how will you convince them both that they need to change? Don't you see they think of their actions as right and justifiable, and think your attitude towards homosexuality is the crime?
@57worldwide Loooooooooool you do realize you just admitted I am right don't you? The facts prove it btw m8, not me.. And you may still believe in borders and think like that, my world already is a global village.. And its not the Sunni or the Shi'ite I am attacking nor am I attacking muslims, simply islam and the way it is perceived.. And criticism or for instance humor ís emotion.. Why do u think it works so great?
@TTFLS2 The way Islam is perceived? You mean the way a person interprets the Quran... A Muslim person?
I don't see how that was is any way saying you are right. 'Why would you apply logic to illogical ideas in the first place? You cannot argue against emotion and cause it to concede by using reason' - that was where I meant to imply that you are wasting your own time trying to criticise a religion. Just look at the Reformation - did Catholicism change because of Martin Luther's criticism?
@57worldwide Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why you keep jumping from subject to subject.. Every time you start of subtopic based on false facts then I go on about the facts for as long as it takes and just when you finally understand 50% of the point that is being made, you start another subtopic, again based on false facts.. more 200 years of criticism en mockery on christianity changed the hell out of it.. That is a fact..
@57worldwide And again you deluded yourself into some side topic thinking you actually said something meaningful.. We are not discussing weather my criticism would have the effect I would like to see.. We are discussing weather my criticism is just.. And the facts prove it is.. You can't deny that no longer.. Its not me, but the facts! Keep on jumping m8, but we will keep ending up in the same place.. Which is you denying the facts..
@TTFLS2 Actually, the Reformation did not change Catholicism. Just like your criticism of Islam won't change any existing practice of the religion.
To you criticising Islam is just; To an extremist Muslim, criticising Western society is just. To some, following Sharia law is just. That is why I have repeatedly said that you think they should change to being more like you. Can you not admit that is what you would like to happen, are you afraid of admitting to arrogant self righteousness?
@57worldwide right, christianity changed on its own, from the inside... looooooooooooooool I can imagine your retarded comments if your perception of the world is based on so little facts and so many assumptions.. Just like now with the whole catholic priest thing.. The pope is holding a document with thousands and thousands of molesters in there and won't give them up.. They place preachers on other locations, cover up, etc etc.. And things are surely changing because of religion :D:D
@57worldwide And actually Western society is nothing I keep my criticism from.. You are still to hung up on this border idea.. Its deluded.. Global is a fact and actually always has been.. And again, I do not want people to be like me and I do not have the wish for islam to disappear from the map.. I am simply giving them the same just criticism as I do with christianity, capitalism, scientology etc etc etc etc etc..
@57worldwide Your words are a goddamn disgrace.. You keep bringing up the same shit and I keep proving your wrong... Circling around the essence and forcing me to do the same.. Its quite pathetic.. You just have this image in your head that if somebody would criticize religion he must just be another terrified person that has prejudges based on their fear.. But the facts prove this image wrong.. Accept it.. Accept your wrong..
@57worldwide Keep on jumping from subtopic to subtopic and back again, but the fact remains is that you keep holding on to some prejudge yourself.. Something hard to defeat when you look at the world through pink glasses.. Its indeed hard to speak to people who base their words and ideas on emotions.. Must sound familiar to yourself.. Luckily not completely useless, but rather a process of baby steps..
@TTFLS2 I'm not at all saying that a person criticising religion is always prejudiced. I'm saying that your criticism of Islam is not just to any Muslim, just like anyone criticising your belief is obviously wrong to you (like how you keep insisting I'm wrong, for questioning your opinion).
I gave facts; Martin Luther did not change Catholicism, a new religion called Protestant now exists. Your criticism of Islam will not cause the existing practice of Islam to change. Prove me wrong.
@57worldwide So I am saying YOU are prejudged.. Prejudged into thinking other people who criticise islam, because that is all we are doing here and yes that goes for islam, not for muslims, muslims will follow.. Why is it that you try to debate me, but lack the insight in the most simple processes? Its quite pathetic to be honest.. And wtf does dr. King have to do with the Protestant faith? And wtf does it has to do with the point being made?
@TTFLS2 Not Martin Luther King junior. Martin Luther. He nailed his theses to the door of the church, protesting the Catholicism which he didn't agree with. Just research 'Reformation' and you will see what I'm talking about.
If I am wrong, that you didn't want Islam to be 'Westernised', then I apologise. Truly. To me, it did not appear that you were merely criticising an ideology, but criticising the actions of people who follow the ideology. You can always be misunderstood, nobody's fault.
@57worldwide Right, I never realized Luther's first name was Martin.. But again, what is your point? We actually have come up with things like humanism etc, so its not even a question about creating something new to solve old problems... Its about accepting the new possibilities as a solution to older problems.. And before protestant religion ever came to be, decades of of criticism precessed it.. to criticism actually is the predecessor of change...
@57worldwide And I am criticizing people as well as islam.. islam for ideological reasons and people for following it blindly! Even when you are wrong, even when we both know it, even when we both know the other knows it, you still try to find some lupewhole in where you do not have to admit that your pink glasses, which are wonderful, just don't work when you really want to change anything.. They are the foundation and the end product, not the process in between...
Of all the things you have said, not all was correct. Such as, 'my criticism is just'. You view your criticism as being just. Other people who think Western society is immoral, would say your criticism is not just. Some Muslims would see persecuting homosexuality as just. We all have our own morals, we see different things as being just. It isn't just simply 'you were right 100% and I was wrong'.
I was wrong for presuming your intention. That was all.
@57worldwide loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool r u serious? r u retarded? not only have we been through this a hundred times already, but it just does not make any fucking sense.. Jesus christ, you must be mentally challenged.. Can't you write one goddamn comment without contradicting yourself, the world or life? Or r u just an alcoholic? Just tell me now, its okay, I would never judge you for it.. Unbelievable.. What a clown..
@57worldwide Wtf r u talking about you fucking idiotic moron? THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MORAL STANDARDS AND HUMAN RIGHTS YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE! You fucking clown man! Rejecting gay people has NOTHING TO DO WITH MORAL STANDARDS... How many times do we have to talk it over before you will understand? Not agree but at least understand you fucking pansy boy???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@57worldwide How MANY times do I actually have to say my criticism on Western society would be pretty much the same as that of an average muslim??????!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has nothing to do with us vs. them, but with just criticism,,,, How many words are u gonna waste on trying to evade what is criticism on yourself and your pink glasses? Can u even read you fucking asshole? I can't believe I am the one cursing while you are the one with the intelligence of an 8 year old.....
@57worldwide If you really think the way people treat gays has something to do with 'cultural differences' you do not belong in the West you goddamn nazi! Fuck off to some muslim country you fucking racist! Fuck you and all the bullshit you stand for! How can someone have this bright theory about 'lover thy neighbor etc, and still be this retarded? Its unbelievable.. You where a waste of my goddamn time you fucking ignorant little monkey...
@57worldwide Have fun in your little pink world, see if it makes a difference, see if it really changes anything.. Goddamn idiot! Even if its written, even when you, I and everyone who reads this knows what is going on, you still keep fleeing in the same directions as always.. Which could be summoned by saying that you rather please some retarded religious culture then acknowledge the rights of for instance gays... Its called 'apeacement politics' you fucking douche bag..
@57worldwide and don't even give me more of your crap... Its clear.. You do not see the difference between cultural differences and basic human rights.. All because you love tot love everyone, but for those who disagree with you.. You just like to debate and ridicule those who do not agree with your ridiculous utopia.. Guess what, the whole idea of an utopia is that it can never exist.. So for your ideas.. They are bottomless as well as they have no limit...
@57worldwide Its just crap from some guy who believe in the 'Jesus thought', but never came an inch further then this idea which most of us had since we were 5 years old.. You r a fucking joke who can't stop dancing around the bush, solidly because you can't admit that you never stop learning, and already assume you know anything.. But in fact you do not understand anymore then me when I was about 5 years old.. You r a fucking joke...
@TTFLS2 The whole idea of an utopia is that it can never exist. I totally agree. No, I am not religious. No, I am not standing by any moral idea, that is you. What is human rights, if it isn't moral? Are you the retard?
Are rights inherited, or do we have to constantly fight to get and keep our rights? Do we criticise a strict belief system and think that will bring about acknowledgement and respect of our 'universal' human rights? Are you the retard?
@57worldwide looooooool :D can u please say one goddamn thing without contradicting yourself? Seriously, go get some diploma's...! This is really awful, seriously!!!!!!
''Do we criticise a strict belief system and think that will bring about acknowledgement and respect of our 'universal' human rights?''
That is actually the exact function of criticism.. That is actually exactly how we come further as a race... Do u have asperger? Seriously? This is ridiculous, go back to school you amateur..
@TTFLS2 Once again, pointing to the Reformation, the criticism of Catholicism only got Martin Luther excommunicated. Did Catholicism change as a direct result of his criticism?
Do you really think your criticism of any religion, can actually change the religion? I thought your desired outcome would be to change the religion; why go about pursuing this, if the action you take (criticism of the religion) won't give the desired outcome (change within the religion)?
@57worldwide Are you seriously this dumb? Are you now saying that because there wasn't a direct change in catholicism because of Luther criticism is not the main reason for change? He changed the goddamn world by creating the protestant believes.. THIS IS CHANGE YOU RETARDED FUCKING MONKEY!!! HE WAS CHANGE BECAUSE OF CRITICISM YOU IGNORANT FOOL!!!!! How can u give this example and not see this? Do u have asperger? Goddamn you are stupid, how do people like u even get produced... Wtf? Seriously?
@57worldwide Wtf does dr. King have to do with adjusting the bad sides of religion? I already gave you counter facts.. Its not about priests molesting young boys, because I am sure that happens in normal institutions also etc, its about the difference between molesting them and building a goddamn invisible empire through out the world, an empire that covers these things and gets lots of support to do so..
@57worldwide Again, the regular ignorance and terrible folly of man kind is with religious people covered by this blanket of super natural justification for their ideas. A barrier which is very hard to breach. A barrier that causes people to stop thinking straight.. So actually a constant flow of criticism changed religion in our society on many many levels.. I don't know where you are from but if you are not European, come visit sometimes, you'll see...
@57worldwide Do you have any idea on how a society works? Why has there been theater in all four corners of the planet for thousands and thousands of years? Why does art even exist do you think? Or criticism for that matter? Just because we like to walk around with our dicks held high into the air? Its how we change, reflect etc etc.. Now the molestation case is just a nice example of how the outside world is changing religion, its institutions and its people..
@57worldwide Why is atheism growing so fast in Europe and the US? Couldn't have anything to do with the foundation of the enlightenment? You are seriously telling me 200 years of hardcore atheists, scientists, artists etc did not change religion and the way it is perceived? I mean seriously? That must mean you are American or maybe Eastern Europe, which are a tad late but not at all free from this tsunami of rising atheism...
@57worldwide Lol and what did you say about not being prejudged about thinking people who criticize something like islam are prejudged? Loooooool look at your page, it literally says you are mostly defining yourself here on youtube as someone who fights bigotry and is fighting for higher freedom etc! And what about being prejudged of me? You expected just another troll, just another dude who couldn't match up to your awesome experience and CV..
@57worldwide Listen guy, I respect your ideology because I have the same! I had it all my life. But to really change something you need to take of those pink glasses to see what is really going on.. If you want to discuss racism, discrimination, imperialism etc etc etc, we could.. If you wanna speak about love for muslims and how for instance Western countries are mainly themselves responsible for immigration problems, we could.. However this discussion never was about any of this..
@57worldwide Its about criticizing islam and the possible need to do so.. The facts keep proving this is just.. Just admit you are wrong.. Its okay.. Nothing to be embarrassed about..
@57worldwide The facts prove that religion causes lots and lots of damage it shouldn't.. You just choose to deny this.. You are making a mockery out of this discussion, like you have been all the time.. My fight is with religion and its a rewarding fight.. You just can't accept that I and my thoughts are nothing what you thought it would be.. You just can't handle not being able to make a point.. That's why you jump from point to point while never admitting wrongs in past comments...
@57worldwide Keep walking around the bush for 2 years, but you won't get your right where you don't have it.. Do whatever you like, but your so called 'arguments' are so simplistic in their essence that its actually sweet for me to prove you wrong time and time again in like my coffee breaks etc.. Been a long time since I had a real discussion with somebody down at your level... Its quite pathetic..
@TTFLS2 You say that Islam should change. The Muslims could not follow a changed Islam without their own morals also changing. You say you are criticising Islam, when your evidence is the actions of Muslims. You cannot keep walking yourself around in this circle. Why don't you just admit that you think your morals and way of thinking are better, and you wouldn't criticise Islam if its moral code was more closely aligned to your own opinions?
@57worldwide Criticism is the foundation of change for everything... How can u say that not criticizing religion would be a good thing because nothing will ever change? Did the catholic church not change? We have a pro gay artsbischop ffs.... How can somebody be this fucking dumb? Seriously is this really how u think? Its like you are trying to tell me 1+1=3 and smile while doing it.. Jesus christ you are sooooooo fucking dumb, its unbelievable.. Actually insulting, shouldn't be talking to u...
@TTFLS2 So you don't misunderstand, I know homosexuals can't change sexual orientation. They can marry, have children and pretend they aren't homosexual. Blacks were judged by their skin pigment, and no matter how much a Black person WANTED to be White, they would never be able convince anyone that they are White. Comparing Blacks to homosexuals wasn't a good comparison, I understood what you were trying to say. I merely think you are the one who needs to rethink their stance.
@57worldwide And you again deny the difference between setting up gay cure camps, putting them through all kinds of misery, killing them etc etc etc, is all miles away from general ignorance and discrimination.. How can u deny this? What if black people where denied from those public institutions, being beat up, harassed out of their homes etc etc? Then all of a sudden the problem would be worth mentioning? Your missing my whole point on criticizing islam all though I explained it so many times!
@57worldwide Its not about islam who has to disappear, its about islam adjusting so it can be used for what its worth, which is pretty much a lot! And for that to happen it has to be able to compromise.. And its all nice and jolly that you think its okay that 120.000 people in my country are being discriminated against, but its really actually not even your business.. Not to forget you have the view of an unpractical 8 year old school girl.. Pretty pathetic form of love and intelligence..
@57worldwide And again you are just pretending like its just me who cares about some silly problems, but in my eyes human rights are being offended.. This has nothing to do with wanting people to be or life like myself, but with basic human rights.. And again you assume some wild theory in your mind about how I look at people and life in general, just like you have been all the time.. This all to deny just criticism.!
@TTFLS2 Your criticisms are just in your eyes, just as an Islamist criticising your societal structure for giving homosexuals (close to) equal rights is just in their eyes! You will never see eye to eye with people who have morals which aren't yours.
We aren't one people yet, there is small likelihood we ever will be one people. We are one race, which divides ourself by real and imaginary borders. There is no 'moral highground', we like to think of ourselves as just and others think the same.
@57worldwide Well wtf do you think divides us? And I am not taking any moral higher ground, but besides some very very specific points.. Again you try to marginalize some very just points, the facts prove.. There is no reason to deny the facts.. Criticism is actually better spend on those you want close to you, it helps develop us all.. We already are one people.. Our leaders just aren't up for the job.. Which makes it hard to criticize something that deserves it..
@57worldwide Just because these morons in our governments can't behave or think straight, doesn't mean it evens out or becomes islamophobia.. And what you do not seem to get, that there is again a difference between cultural and individual difference, its about basic human rights.. That's where opinions stop and facts start.. Criticizing muslims for how they interact with marriage would be taking on their social structure.. This has nothing to do with human rights and facts that lead us to them
@57worldwide Lets get out a couple of examples.. Israel? Not even gonna go into that one.. Bush? Irak? Afghanistan? Balkenende in my country? Do u think I am happy with all this? Not ashamed everyday of the week? We are all one people and we should start acting like it! We have problems with the planet that we can only overcome together, we got technology moving so fast that there are predictions that these are the last 50 years of the human build as we know it, resources are running out
@57worldwide plants and animals are dying, sweet water is already scars in some parts of the world, we got so called leaders fucking all of us over, where love can exist they create hate etc etc etc etc.. And don't get me wrong, I am aware of the rising islamophobia specially in Europe.. But this discussion is not about any of this.. Its about islam and religion as a whole.. So don't make any wild assumptions on what you like to be true..
@57worldwide There is indeed a difference between criticism on islam and discrimination vs. everything that has to do with islam.. So maybe you like to believe that all criticism about islam just comes from ignorant people who have their hearts filled with hate, but its really not the reality..
@TTFLS2 You criticise Islam and the Islamists criticise your social structure! Is there a difference, or do you think them wanting us to be different is not comparable to you wanting them to be more like us?
@57worldwide So what does this mean for France, Germany etc? And its not about good or bad, these people should get some time to develop etc, I'm just choosing how to make the most of that time.. Its already been said before.. Why do you respond if you do not read? Its not about religion as means to keep existing, but to kick down the fundamental pillars underneath it which would imply that its irrefutable.. Like we did with the Christians..
@TTFLS2 What's wrong, am I right? You simply want them to be more like you. Because you are right, they are different, therefore they are wrong.
Your opinion is unchallengable; Is your knowledge also infallible? Are you a divine being?
All you are is another self righteous 'intellectual' who thinks they know what is best for other people. As if going to school would be the best thing for me! If that was your attempt at insulting me, it failed. You aren't always right.
@PrinceJamshid
ur sick ... u have too much hate in ur heart
hikari639 4 months ago
"We have nothing against Muslims," Terry Jones. "Islam is of the devil," Terry Jones. Is this guy for real? I hate mustaches. Let's burn them..... let's start with Terry Jones'.
SuperConfounded 5 months ago
If you want to burn your copy of the quran and you do it according to fire safety regulations, that's your own business. Personally I think book burnings are a sign of low intelligence, but hey, people have the right to be stupid.
MarinusCopy 5 months ago
Rebel rous'er - it's obvious he just wants our attention. We all know what he is doing but we can't help ourselves. It's like watching the guy on a motorcycle ride up a ramp to jump over some cars. We want to see the 'accident' likely to occur.
hamzah938 5 months ago
fuck this old man. im muslim. but im not arabic or even from the middle east. this man doesnt realize that the CRAZY terrorist group are extreamists and really dont value the true meaning of islam. people rush to give everyone a bad name way too fast. smh @ thos who do that.. but thats my opinion.
T3ST1NDaB3ST 5 months ago
fucking pedophile jones
xakervu 6 months ago
Islam will always be here. Burn all you want, you will end up burning your own hands.
elhajer 6 months ago
LOL the guy defends islams nice!!!!
RoMaL0 6 months ago
THIS is why the Caucasian/Anglo-Saxon race will be wiped out if people like this are going to be the American spoke-person.
This is why the American South is viewed as stupid, ill-inbred, hicks and not to mention realize anytime they wish to counter-attack in arguments find out they cherry pick what's in your back yard as "mud-slinging" but go in their backyard; War is called for...
Edit: Mozlum: Code for "secret hooded klanzmen" listen very closely.
Sileni 6 months ago
that 3 year old is such a cutie shes smart i don't even know how to say what shes saying and i'm 20... sadly
kelly101433 6 months ago
I DUNNO WHATS WRONG WITH the old man..
but i love the man who questioned him..he found the old man excuses are funny..:]
bellagorgish 6 months ago
Bitch old bastard is stupid df hell is wrong with u, Man he is just a old man that believes what he believes in, He Is not Of GOD OR Any good spirit. man smh
jamaalkhan100 7 months ago
"Stop to Islam...........We have nothing against *MOZLUMS"
WHAT A RETARD!!!!!!
amirullah 8 months ago
@amirullah .....lol i laughed at that part i agree
kelly101433 6 months ago
Afriad to answer the question????? :)
TheChristianRight09 9 months ago
@TheChristianRight09 The comment you removed... Are you afraid to publicly ask it?
As if I'm afraid. I don't see how that has any relevance to anything I said anyway, please, elaborate further why a person would have a phobia of answering a stupid question.
57worldwide 9 months ago
The kid didn't even say anything... just made stupid noises down the microphone.
johnnythesexdonkey 9 months ago
Masha Allah !! may ALLAH bless this little girl, she is so cute reciting quran, may ALLAH bless her with health,wealth and all the Happiness of the world..AMEEN.
TDlink1269 9 months ago
Wow this guy doesn't even know the difference between a religious "law" and a law set by a bunch of morons. Women not being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with Islam. That's a law made by their stupid government. The laws of Islam are to believe that there is no god but God, to pray, to fast, charitable giving and pilgrimage. That's all so leave Islam alone
du6801 10 months ago
The man may be a fucking retard, but he's right on some things.. Why do we defend oppression? Why do we endorse this foolish ideology? Don't get me wrong, let everyone believe in the Koran all he likes, but we could start by destroying retarded mid evil things like the Hadith... Religion works just like the nazi's did, there are enough fools who will silently join so they can dominate once the time is there... Nothing to do with islam, but with life in general.. Stop islam and religion!
TTFLS2 10 months ago
@TTFLS2 Why the FUCK would burning a Quran be 'saying a stop to brutality'? The man is not right. 'We believe the times call for it, it calls for radical times.'
So religious RADICALS offend my PERSONAL moral and religious beliefs, calling for me to be RADICAL in my actions? That shit condradicts 'stop the brutality'. What the fuck is wrong with you, thinking someone defends oppression by supporting the Palestinians? The US government supports oppressive regimes, that is a fact.
57worldwide 10 months ago
@57worldwide Blablabla, I heard it all before.. They offend your personal believes, its not what religion means etc.. Its all a big nothing.. Its about what religion causes as a whole.. And there are benefits, I will give you that! But they just do not way up vs. down sides.. Of course you will not agree.. But that's okay.. You are still in the darkness... And one day you or one of your decedents will be freed!
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Bla bla bla? I wasn't asking for the name of your favourite Ke$ha song.
Why do you say I am in the darkness, because I don't blame religions for the dark side of humanity? Supporting the US or Israeli government and their foreign policy, doubtlessly, is far worse than living by a set of religious creeds. You can't say militants or extremists, twisting a religious text for their own purposes, are a downside to religion.
Can you tell me who is endorsing religion?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Again, blablablablabla.. And I don't even know who this Kesha is.. You apparently do.. The FACT that you are basically saying that when someone commits triple homicide, its okay to knock a guy in a wheel chair, tells us enough about your pointer views... And the difference is, that there are BILLIONS of people, organizations and countries who are fighting for a better world in that sense.. Why do religious people refuse to evolve and let us carry the burden? Its terrible..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide You can play the good Samaritan all you like and view your religion in a peaceful way if you like.. But its about what religion causes.. It fucks with people's minds.. Its holds back knowledge.. It causes conflict.. Its causes hatred etc etc etc etc etc etc.. And you cannot get away by saying; 'well, look at what america is doing'.. Which is a totally retarded comment anyway.. Look at what muslims are doing to muslims over there.. About 90% of the deaths I believe?
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 That is nonsense. A person can't evolve, evolution happens over many generations. Which fact are you referring to when you are talking about it being'okay to knock a guy in a wheel chair'?
Again, you cannot say religion causes people's actions. People should be responsible for their actions, you are being immature saying the religion is to blame for any human action. Why do think religious people are a burden? Surely the burden is the ignorant person clinging to their prejudice...
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Hahahahahahahaha loooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!! R u serious? Hahahahahahaha, if evolution happens over generation, then it must mean we are ALL in evolutionary state.. And I didn't even mean the biological definition of the word.. Did u finish high school? And wtf is this shit about religion not causing any problems? You think I'm speaking of terrorism or some shit like that? I'm speaking about the million muslims in my country who reject and oppress their own gays.,.
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Does Sharia not tell to kill those who act upon their homosexual lust? How can u even say such a retarded thing? Because when people do good, religion all of a sudden becomes a factor ey? Go and play with the rest of your lego friends o simple one, don't waste your time on subjects you cannot understand anyway you clown.. lol..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Your mentality can mature and your intelligence can decline, that is not evolution. When I do anything I take responsibility for my actions, as all true men do.
'Why do religious people refuse to evolve... we are ALL in evolutionary state' - did you intentionally contradict yourself?
I understand. You want to blame religion for people's actions. I disagree with your stance because human nature has not been derived from any book. Without any religion prejudice would still exist.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Wtf r u about? Again, did u finish high school? Not only was it implied, but did I explicitly mention I did not mean the biological definition of the word.. Wtf is wrong with you? Mentally challenged? Nobody is contradicting anything, but you.. I'm surprised you even know how to put on pants in the morning.. And I do not want to blame religion for people's actions.. Which you would have known if you had the reading skills of an 8 year old...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Does Sharia say or not say to kill those who act upon homosexual thoughts? You may not see this as a problem, but I do.. So the least you could do is recognize this is a problem to me,.. But instead you whine about me wanting to blamer religion for people's actions.. If your goddamn retarded book literally says to kill gays then my fight IS with religion monkey boy.. I think its time we put you in a institution for the mentally challenged...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 'my fight IS with religion...And I do not want to blame religion for people's actions' So who are you blaming for people's actions then?
A definition of evolve is to gradually develop. Also give off, emit, yield. So if religious people are developing their faith, they are evolving...Yet they somehow refuse to evolve?
its time 'we' put 'you' - don't spend your life telling people they are lesser beings. Focus on what the fuck you need to accomplish and stop being petty blaming others!
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Wtf r u talking about? R u mentally challenged? Why do u keep ignoring what I write, all though its clear they refuted EVERYTHING I said.. And wtf is with your vocabulary? NOBODY EVER INTENTIONED THE BIOLOGICAL MEANING OF THE WORD DEVELOPING.. And your word are complete shit too.. You are basically saying that if people are getting into their religion they are developing religion.. Actually they are developing themselves...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Again, r u mentally challenged? Of course you are religious and see your religion as an eternal truth that should not be developed/changed.. But I disagree.. This is all what was meant.. Now lets stay with this.. You may have your opinion about gay people, but its a FACT islam states to kill those who engage in homosexual acts.. So again, my fight IS with religion.. It has NOTHING to do with people's actions, but literally with what is written in your retarded book...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Do seriously after about 15 comments still not understand this? I am not asking you to agree or anything.. But do you seriously still fail to see the point here? Again, r u mentally challenged? Religious people need to develop their religion into one that does NOT reject homosexuals.. And this is just one of the thousands and thousands of examples I could give... But instead of at least recognizing people like me see things this way, you just keep spamming your retarded words...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 'Religious people need to develop their religion into one that does NOT reject homosexuals' - as most major religions involve encouraging the growth of their religion, homosexual adherents may cause the heterosexuals to lose confidence. Think about it like politics: If the left tries to appeal to the right, some members of the left will lose heart in the party and stop supporting it. Also, having babies is one of the fastest ways to grow the religions. Just some points.
57worldwide 9 months ago
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TheChristianRight09 9 months ago
@TheChristianRight09 Comment removed - ' are you gay or an immigrant?????????????'
Shame. Shame, shame, shame. Christian Right? You should close this account and create one called 'FakeChristianWrongJudgement'. What a clown you are.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide actually anyone that has an account that looks like your YouTube account should close out their account, because it is uninteresting... Is your life as basic as your YouTube page????
TheChristianRight09 9 months ago
@TheChristianRight09 Dude, aren't Christians supposed to live a simple life?
No, I don't make videos of the exciting things in my life. I go onto YouTube, to learn and educate as well as for entertainment. The internet is a tool, just like you want to be.
Was my channel enough for you to have your potential questioning answered, and your curiosity satisfied?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide You take one sentence of mine out of context because your brain obviously has trouble comphrehending the most simple things, first you act like its something about biologic, then you act like it has something to do with people developing themselves with religion and in the mean while you simply do not understand the most simple things.. GAYS are being REJECTED because of what your so called holy books says.. This is a FACT,...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And its also a FACT that this means my fight is with religion.. You call me petty, but its actually quite pathetic that human rights are being violated and that you simply deny that your religion encourages this.. Instead you try to play some word games, which you fail miserably at.. And the only reason you do not see this yourself, is because you are utter retarded.. FACT!
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Dude, you suck. I'm not Muslim.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Just think about what you are claiming. Are all religions or religious people prejudiced against homosexuals? I would say no.
I never played word games. It's obvious to me you misinterpret me, as though I'm trying to play games on YouTube. You presume to know my intellectual capacity judging by comments I made on this video? That is truly stupid.
Human rights are being violated by many different factions, not just religious people. You should broaden the scope of your criticisms.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Again, you are missing the point.. Saying you are intellectual and then proving the opposite actually means you are not intellectual.. You are in denial of the fact that Sharia literally says to kill gay people.. The fact that thousands of others forms of human rights are being violated, has NOTHING to do with weather a part of this problem shouldn't be addressed.. How the fuck do u think human rights got here in the first place braniac? Like was it done in 7 days lol?
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Done in 7 days...lol... I suggest you do some research on the Islamic Golden Ages, the Arabic world had freedom of speech before Western Europeans did. Your refusal to accept the fact you aren't 100% correct is not related to my intelligence in any way.
Human rights are being violated by the US, Israel and countless other governments... Is Islam to blame in these instances as well?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Those violations actually have to do with very very specific things.. Which brings us back to the same arguments again, 2 wrongs don't make a right.. You keep speaking of intelligence, but instead of disagreeing with me you are not even understanding the very simplistic theories I am offering you.. Can't disagree with what you do not understand.. You are basically saying that if the US violates human rights, sharia saying gays should be killed is okay.. I mean, wtf?
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 I am saying that you can't blame religion for all the violations of human righs, or to imply that one violation of human rights is worse than another.
You are choosing a sentence of mine which you disagree with. Do you agree with the rest, or do you find it unimportant to your argument against religion/religious people?
There is such a thing as a moderate Muslim, why Islam somehow isn't attributed to their morals and social standards (by you) is beyond me.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Again, your are missing the point.. How can that be ffs? 2 wrongs don't make a right.. If a corrupt system leads to corrupt leaders, it must be dealt with.. If drugs lead to violations of human rights, it needs to be handled.. etc etc etc etc etc.. And from me you will never hear that islam did not also contributed to a lot of good things and still does.. Hens not a desire to get rid of religion, but to disarm it and show it for what it is..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Alot of what you have presented is merely opinion. It is not drugs themselves which cause drug problems, it is a drug prohibition which causes drug problems. Just as alcohol and tobacco prohibition caused major alcohol problems and a rise in the power and strength of the organised criminals exploiting the prohibition.
I haven't missed your point once, I just don't agree with everything you say or possibly the way you are presenting your argument.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide No you are missing it again.. How the fuck can that be, seriously? Its not even about the drugs and you are wrong about them anyway.. Its about bad things causing other bad things and you just love to fade them out against each other.. Just because other things cause bad things you like to say that Sharia doesn't literally say to kill gay people.. How funny since you do claim that islam causes good things.. Yet you are in denial of the negative aspects.. How can u be?
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide You think you are disagreeing, but your words just prove how small your mind is.. I mean seriously, I have explained it for about 10 times now and still you do not understand my point.. Wtf?! Its not that hard.. If you really would have understood my point you would either have agreed or show me an argument why sharia says to kill gay people will not cause to violate human rights.. This instead of trying to throw up some theory on why drugs do bad things..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Its not about drugs, its about action reaction.. How can u fail to miss this point? And don't say you didn't, because if you would you would never even have responded to drugs specifically.. And actually your words prove my point. You say there are problems with drugs and we should solve them. And I say, there are problems with religion too and we should solve them,. Simple as that.. please don't right another comment showing you still haven't understood this argument..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide O and btw, you are completely wrong on drugs.. I live in the Netherlands, which is still the most progressive country in the world when it comes to drugs.. I can't get arrested for a max. of 5 grams of cocaine or at least will never be sentenced for it.. You can buy weed here on every street corner. However there is a distinction you must make. Prohibiting weed is causing more people to be addicted to hard drugs as we call them here.
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Simply for the fact that if you buy weed from some guy of the street, which most young people will do at one point in their life in this day and age, its very likely he will sell you weed with his right hand and coke with his left. Hens the people of addicts to hard drugs in my country, the drugs capital of the world, is about 7 times lower then the Western average. This however has NOTHING to do with legalizing cocaine, heroine, methamphetamine etc etc..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide You are confusing things with each other. The prohibition of alcohol actually never had a negative effect on alcohol abuse, but more so on the crime it caused.. Two totally different things. And its indeed an interesting example since before the prohibition and after people, specially during and after war time, abused the substance like never before. And they still do to this age. Alcohol is the most destructive substance to this day.
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide It causes people to destroy their lives and those of others on a scale cocaine and all the drugs combined together, even with normal medication included, cannot match up to those who abuse alcohol. Lets indeed look at regular medications. I think in the US the use of 'legal' drugs in abusive ways is much higher then any classic drug could ever reach.. And even if it isn't, too lazy too look it up, its pretty much clear what happens when you legalize hard drugs..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide So its actually you who gave me an opinion instead of facts/reasonable theories.. Go back to school kid..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Don't give hypotheticals about what you believe would happen if hard drugs were legal, when decriminalisation is not the exact same thing. The difference between illegalisation and decriminalisation means the addicts don't go to a prison for their problem. When were hard drugs legal?
Not every Muslim will attempt to kill a homosexual. Religion is not the worst problem in the world, it is not like it is the only thing with the action-reaction relationship.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide By this time I really gotta ask if you can read.. Everything you say, imply, ask etc, has already been said.. People do not go to jail for hard drugs in my country.. Lol addicts can even use in centers specially build for them, get food, soup, shelter, treatment etc etc.. And wtf is this shit about not being able to compare cocaine and heroine with legal substances like 'zepam' series? Or alcohol? You are kidding right? You do have the slightest form of common sense I may presume?
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And its funny how your forget that it was never about the drugs.. And the way you keep responding only proof you miss the simplest of things.. Jesus christ I don't even know why the hell I am responding to you.. Its about sources that cause trouble.. And again you are trying to even out problems vs. each other just because you cannot admit that islam deserves some problem solving attention..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And wth gives you the right to underestimate the problems islam causes.. Ever heard of a place called SA? Country that has almost never in history lost its prosperous economy.. Yet the rights of millions are being violated because of islam.. Here you have no imperialism, no large scale poverty, no faul history with foreign powers etc etc.. Yet millions of muslim gays are being rejected a normal life..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And sure, the beginning of intolerance in this case does not in anyway have to start at religion and would have been here anyway, however that does not set anyone free from the fact that it is not only a source for hate against gays, but also a pretty tough barrier to break.. I mean look at Western countries. There is no country in the world or in the history that has been so progressive towards gays as my country, that is a fact.. Yet..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Yet women and gays are being held outside of political and school systems and so many other important things.. You figure out how gay people who grow up in these communities must live their lives.. You cannot deny the difference between those communities, the believers who have and never will practice and those who do.. And since most of the world population is religious if you compare all the area's of monotheistic religions, you can also not deny this is a pretty big problem..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And I'm not talking about Bin Laden or whatever, because they would have been here anyway and would else maybe have called 'The Arab liberation front'. These groups have mostly to do with our governments abusing their people! I'm speaking of the day to day problems they cause. And no longer just in foreign countries, but in Western too.. I have 1 million muslims living in my country, that = +/- 120.000 gay people not being able to live to the standards we created here..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 I know of the history of Saudi Arabia, how Britain supported the state's creation. Don't act like you know, when you don't know the history. Look at Western countries... Like there aren't non-Muslims who have demonised homsexuals and still do in the West? Religion is not always a cause, like you pretend it is.
No, we do not have to tolerate intolerance; Your intolerance of religion because you claim it is intolerant is almost ironic. You want 'them' to be like 'us', which is 'better'.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide You are making assumptions and jumping from assumption to assumption simply because you are in denial of the facts.. They have been displayed out for you so clearly! Again you are marginalizing a problem by a, fading them out against other problems and b, pretending like there really isn't a problem worth mentioning.. In this process you just ignore all the facts presented to you.. You have no idea how I feel about muslims and people in general..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 I'm not pretending there is no problem worth mentioning. I am saying that there are far more important problems which you should concentrate on before attempting to change religious views you don't agree with, to be views which more closely match your opinion.
I agree with you that intolerance must never be intolerated, just as true freedom ultimately leads to restriction. Homosexual rights are being threatened by many groups; not all Muslims endanger homosexuals.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Fuckface, maybe you could have waited, I just saw your responses now -_- Again, you are missing the point..! The gay thing is just one example of the bad, very bad aspects of a religion that thinks its unchangeable.. And again you are falling for the same ridiculous trap.. You act like I or others are only discussing this very subject of islam.. And then its all of a sudden okay to marginalize.. Wtf is up with that? Like we shouldn't and aren't fighting US hill billies? Wtf?
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Could you please for one time base your ridiculous words upon facts?
Maybe I'll have some time tomorrow to respond, your such a waste of time..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And yes homosexuals are being discriminated against by both atheists and christians, but there's a difference between general ignorance and the exclusion of these people from political parties, schools and pretty much the whole of their communities.. Its just as bad as with islam.. However with the Christians we found a breaking point in where they are willing to slowly reform their religion.. Something not happening anytime soon with islam...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Are you serious? Not all Christians are willing to change their beliefs. You can't tell someone who believes the Bible (or any scripture) is the word of God, needs to be changed so that my views are supported by it! Have you just admitted that your quest for religious reform is an unending and futile attempt to change the moral standards of someone who you think is morally inferior to yourself?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Pffff I can't even help myself responding to your childish comments.. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH I am sitting here like Homer ffs! Of course its about morals! Human morals! Again I catch you marginalizing a problem that just isn't as bad as your think.. The gay subject is such a wonderful wonderful example.. 120.000 people being rejected, puged over by their families in my country, something unseen even in christian communities..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Are you meaning to imply that Christians don't reject homosexuality? If you want to generalise, in order to back your opinion up, do so.
The problem with the moral issue is that you want their morals to be more close to your own views. What makes your morals so right? What is making your societal structure the best? Can you tell me how many homosexuals have been killed by Muslims in your country?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide O my god why do you make me repeat everything fucking ten times.. Do u even read what has been written? ffs..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Where did I say it was okay to discriminate against anyone? I am merely meaning to imply that not every Muslim is discriminating against the homosexuals in your country. It's not my business, but it's yours? It's your business how many human rights are being violated outside your nations borders, yet I can't ask you about homosexual discrimination by Muslims in your homeland?
You don't have to repeat anything, but it would be nice if you tried not to insult me.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Wtf r u speaking of? We have dealt with this subject for comments and comments and comments now.. Wtf u mean u can't ask about it? Wtf is wrong with you? Jesus christ do I literally have to repeat everything I say, 10 times? You keep on saying that you understand what is being written, but your words keep proving you wrong.. Its not about discrimination vs blacks in the past, but about the example if these people would have been black...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Just so to make clear how ridiculous your attempts to marginalize hate against gays in muslim communities.. But instead of understanding this and a- or disagreeing with it, you go and whine about how blacks could never escape their identity.. Which does not only mean you have misunderstood the whole example, but in the same time there is no other meaning behind your words but to express you don't really see this as a big problem..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And the fucked up thing about this is that we keep on getting back to the same issues, simply because you won't read and/or think properly.. And even if you do feel the pain of gay people in muslim communities here in Western Europe(30 million people) and truly believe that there are problems that must be dealt in such a way that its truly not worth mentioning at the time.. If you really believe that.. Why the fuck do u think I would care? Is that what we are speaking of?
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Not to mention, the christian are fucking assholes too when it comes to this.. I am debating a christian as we speak..! But lets turn this around right.. Lets say these 120.000 people where black.. And when they walk the streets they get harassed, yelled out, whispered about, beat into wheelchairs, harassed out of their homes, threatened with death, rejected from schools, politics, general jobs both in the government as in business life etc etc..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 If you want to talk about Blacks being discriminated against, they still are in the US. It took decades of even violent protest to change some of the social inequalities faced by minorities in segregated USA. The difference between a Black and a homosexual, is that a homosexual can hide their sexuality, Blacks were second class whereas homsexuals aren't. Blacks are born Black, you can see that at a glance. You don't have to guess.
Gay cure camps? How many are in your country?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide How can u misunderstand such a simple example like that? You cannot leave one comment behind without contradicting yourself either... And once again I notice you cannot read either.. You tell me yourself discrimination against blacks is awful, but then deny its awful for gays too.. No instead you again pose some semi argument why it is less worse for gays.. And when will you let go I have anything but the same criticism for christians and specially practicing christians..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Loooooooool I have given you numerous of examples and facts for.. And still you act like its not written or either not true.. How can this be?
Go back to school kid..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Did I deny discrimination against homosexuals is awful for homosexuals? No, I didn't. The persecution of Blacks is different to the persecution of homosexuals. Blacks don't ever get to be White.
I feel like you are either misunderstanding me because I'm questioning you, or that you question me because my opinion isn't the same as yours. Why do you think you can't possibly be wrong in your method? Criticising Islam is not the same as demanding it to conform to your moral standard.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide This whole discussion never was about weather you or I think it should be given attention, should be dealt with.. Its about weather unchangeable islam causes damage outside of regular frames and statistics.. The conclusion is that it does, the facts tell us.. Its not about religion disappearing, its not about wanting people to be like me/atheist, its not about racism, its not about unfounded fear etc etcetc, its simply about just criticism on islam...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And you just refure to admit it because you are so hung up in this idea that your pink glasses, with which you look to the world at, is the truth, you where so convinced I was just some smug, you where already so convinced before we started this discussion, that you simply cannot just admit islam causes problems on a scale and in ways that should not be ignored.. The facts tell us so.. What is there to debate about?
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide But no, instead you go around in circles and circles and circles and force me to do the same..
Go back to school kid..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 If you were criticising Islam, like you claim you are doing, you would not give the example of Saudi Arabia. If the problem there is that the law and religion are both to close, the law should change. I would agree with that. That is not at all what you are saying, you are saying that you want their morals more closely aligned to your own.
This is a personal issue, if you want to criticise personal beliefs. Where have I said that discrimination of any sort is acceptable or excusable?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Again, its all been written down once.. If you cannot understand the difference between wanting people to change their behavior to fit your own image of what is good and basic human rights then that is completely up to you.. And it also brings us of course again to your marginalization of this problem.. And again you assume things you have no clue about, which is called using straw men arguments.. This has nothing to do with SA's struggle to real democracy or something..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide It has to do with the day to day things, not only in SA, but over the entire world.. And how many times should I repeat myself that I have exactly the same criticism on christians! Criticising the hell out of them is a hell of a way to modernize religion! Look at media like stand up comedians, tv shows, books etc etc.. It works! And its needed.. Just because you margninalize the problem, just because you think there are some magical problems that tell us not to deal with these,
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide doesn't mean other people will too.. How can it be that after so many comments you just can't admit religion and islam too, specially islam, causes grieve on a scale so enormous and so unnecessary, which the facts tell us...?! Why is it so hard for you? That is all what this debate was about.. And yet after so many facts you still deny the truth.. The facts.. Instead of admitting it you keep throwing around weak arguments, mostly almost copies from one of my previous comments..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Its pathetic..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Go back to school kid..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Think about what you are implying; As though criticism on tv of any religion has caused the the extreme believers to change their beliefs. No, it hasn't. That's what I'm saying. You are saying it is about human rights; Then, the dabate should be the Eastern political structure and laws. If there is support for these laws inside their country, who are you to say they need to change? If there is an autocratic system of control, why would demanding them to change beliefs solve the problem?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Wtf are you talking about? 200 years of severe criticism on religion has made a WORLD of difference in Western Europe.. And again you ignore basic human rights.. Its not about borders.. Its about over 1 billion people who are under the control of a 1400 year old book.. These are people all over the planet.. And in this case religion often is the law, specially with Islam.. You can say all the fluffy things about islam you like, but its a fact sharia states to kill them..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide So even in the best scenario, muslim countries will kill homosexuals exactly according to islam.. And its not even about the executions, but more so about the effect on day to day life.. How are muslims ever gonna respect, love and accept homosexuals if their o so holy says to kill them? And again you marginalize the problem and homosexuals.. You are basically saying its up to the countries themselves.. Its their choice..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And that's exactly, my retarded friend, where the border of self control and basic universal human rights are.. And the fact you actually think it should be a choice, just proves again, for like the 100th time now, how you marginalize a problem that is among over a billion people and those are just the muslims.. Almost half of the world population if you count the christians and the Jews.. Yet its a choice that should be made by the countries themselves..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Like it was when slavery ended? Even after my country officially gave it up, as one of the worst slave traders in the world, it took almost 10 years before the US got government down to its knees to give the trade up.. Wasn't Bush elected with the support of the people? Re-elected? Wasn't he? Democracy is a fail when it comes to many matters.. Some things have to be pushed.. And how funny that we again speak of a specific topic which proves you never understood why I brought it up!
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Actually, there are many who believe the election where Bush was re-elected was rigged. He did not win that election. Which is besides the point.
I can understand and agree with fighting against human rights abuse. When you brought up Saudi Arabia (I'm assuming that is the SA you meant), you brought up a country with autocratic countrol; A country where the king can remove the government. You are simply looking at the issue with your own personal perspective.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide The gay thing is just a minor example.. Not minor, but an example.. The difference between religious gay hate and regular ignorance, is that one is easily cured and the other quite the opposite.. And this barrier religion forms, it forms on all kinds of different platforms.. Nobody can deny that religious people are mostly quite less intelligent then atheists.. Why is that? I have met so many religious people who just can't see straight..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide If you look at the way you perceive the world as a fishing net, it will soon become obvious there are just too many holes in those of people who are religious.. Which is dangerous for all of us.. History as well as present prove this.. The thread that is used by all of us to form a fishing net so that we can filter this life, is just too corrupted with religious people when you compare them with atheists.. That is a fact...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide I mean, think about it, if your fishing net starts with handles to throw it out and pull back in when its full and religious people do not have these handles, but instead some retarded creationist idea of the world, how the hell are they supposed to go fishing? And the argument for letting people do what they want is just absolutely ridiculous.. We are not speaking of their thoughts, their religion, the way they look, the way they talk etc, but simply about their faul actions..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide How the hell are you supposed to apply general logic to the world when religion holds you back from that? I wish these people would only apply their thoughts to religion, but unfortunately specially people who have been brought up with religion, can't.. They apply their strange way of logic, which often isn't logic at all but just perceived this way by them, to everything.. And we are all everything.. So fuck yeah it is my business.!
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Why would you apply logic to illogical ideas in the first place? You cannot argue against emotion and cause it to concede by using reason as the tool to do so. When the Sunni and Shi'ite can't convince each other they are wrong, how will you convince them both that they need to change? Don't you see they think of their actions as right and justifiable, and think your attitude towards homosexuality is the crime?
You aren't proving me wrong.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Loooooooooool you do realize you just admitted I am right don't you? The facts prove it btw m8, not me.. And you may still believe in borders and think like that, my world already is a global village.. And its not the Sunni or the Shi'ite I am attacking nor am I attacking muslims, simply islam and the way it is perceived.. And criticism or for instance humor ís emotion.. Why do u think it works so great?
Go back to school kid..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 The way Islam is perceived? You mean the way a person interprets the Quran... A Muslim person?
I don't see how that was is any way saying you are right. 'Why would you apply logic to illogical ideas in the first place? You cannot argue against emotion and cause it to concede by using reason' - that was where I meant to imply that you are wasting your own time trying to criticise a religion. Just look at the Reformation - did Catholicism change because of Martin Luther's criticism?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why you keep jumping from subject to subject.. Every time you start of subtopic based on false facts then I go on about the facts for as long as it takes and just when you finally understand 50% of the point that is being made, you start another subtopic, again based on false facts.. more 200 years of criticism en mockery on christianity changed the hell out of it.. That is a fact..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And again you deluded yourself into some side topic thinking you actually said something meaningful.. We are not discussing weather my criticism would have the effect I would like to see.. We are discussing weather my criticism is just.. And the facts prove it is.. You can't deny that no longer.. Its not me, but the facts! Keep on jumping m8, but we will keep ending up in the same place.. Which is you denying the facts..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Actually, the Reformation did not change Catholicism. Just like your criticism of Islam won't change any existing practice of the religion.
To you criticising Islam is just; To an extremist Muslim, criticising Western society is just. To some, following Sharia law is just. That is why I have repeatedly said that you think they should change to being more like you. Can you not admit that is what you would like to happen, are you afraid of admitting to arrogant self righteousness?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide right, christianity changed on its own, from the inside... looooooooooooooool I can imagine your retarded comments if your perception of the world is based on so little facts and so many assumptions.. Just like now with the whole catholic priest thing.. The pope is holding a document with thousands and thousands of molesters in there and won't give them up.. They place preachers on other locations, cover up, etc etc.. And things are surely changing because of religion :D:D
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And actually Western society is nothing I keep my criticism from.. You are still to hung up on this border idea.. Its deluded.. Global is a fact and actually always has been.. And again, I do not want people to be like me and I do not have the wish for islam to disappear from the map.. I am simply giving them the same just criticism as I do with christianity, capitalism, scientology etc etc etc etc etc..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Your words are a goddamn disgrace.. You keep bringing up the same shit and I keep proving your wrong... Circling around the essence and forcing me to do the same.. Its quite pathetic.. You just have this image in your head that if somebody would criticize religion he must just be another terrified person that has prejudges based on their fear.. But the facts prove this image wrong.. Accept it.. Accept your wrong..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Keep on jumping from subtopic to subtopic and back again, but the fact remains is that you keep holding on to some prejudge yourself.. Something hard to defeat when you look at the world through pink glasses.. Its indeed hard to speak to people who base their words and ideas on emotions.. Must sound familiar to yourself.. Luckily not completely useless, but rather a process of baby steps..
Go back to school kid..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 I'm not at all saying that a person criticising religion is always prejudiced. I'm saying that your criticism of Islam is not just to any Muslim, just like anyone criticising your belief is obviously wrong to you (like how you keep insisting I'm wrong, for questioning your opinion).
I gave facts; Martin Luther did not change Catholicism, a new religion called Protestant now exists. Your criticism of Islam will not cause the existing practice of Islam to change. Prove me wrong.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide So I am saying YOU are prejudged.. Prejudged into thinking other people who criticise islam, because that is all we are doing here and yes that goes for islam, not for muslims, muslims will follow.. Why is it that you try to debate me, but lack the insight in the most simple processes? Its quite pathetic to be honest.. And wtf does dr. King have to do with the Protestant faith? And wtf does it has to do with the point being made?
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Not Martin Luther King junior. Martin Luther. He nailed his theses to the door of the church, protesting the Catholicism which he didn't agree with. Just research 'Reformation' and you will see what I'm talking about.
If I am wrong, that you didn't want Islam to be 'Westernised', then I apologise. Truly. To me, it did not appear that you were merely criticising an ideology, but criticising the actions of people who follow the ideology. You can always be misunderstood, nobody's fault.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Right, I never realized Luther's first name was Martin.. But again, what is your point? We actually have come up with things like humanism etc, so its not even a question about creating something new to solve old problems... Its about accepting the new possibilities as a solution to older problems.. And before protestant religion ever came to be, decades of of criticism precessed it.. to criticism actually is the predecessor of change...
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@57worldwide And I am criticizing people as well as islam.. islam for ideological reasons and people for following it blindly! Even when you are wrong, even when we both know it, even when we both know the other knows it, you still try to find some lupewhole in where you do not have to admit that your pink glasses, which are wonderful, just don't work when you really want to change anything.. They are the foundation and the end product, not the process in between...
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@57worldwide Go back to school kid..
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@TTFLS2 Pink glasses? Still with that?
Of all the things you have said, not all was correct. Such as, 'my criticism is just'. You view your criticism as being just. Other people who think Western society is immoral, would say your criticism is not just. Some Muslims would see persecuting homosexuality as just. We all have our own morals, we see different things as being just. It isn't just simply 'you were right 100% and I was wrong'.
I was wrong for presuming your intention. That was all.
57worldwide 8 months ago
@57worldwide loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool r u serious? r u retarded? not only have we been through this a hundred times already, but it just does not make any fucking sense.. Jesus christ, you must be mentally challenged.. Can't you write one goddamn comment without contradicting yourself, the world or life? Or r u just an alcoholic? Just tell me now, its okay, I would never judge you for it.. Unbelievable.. What a clown..
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@57worldwide Wtf r u talking about you fucking idiotic moron? THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MORAL STANDARDS AND HUMAN RIGHTS YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE! You fucking clown man! Rejecting gay people has NOTHING TO DO WITH MORAL STANDARDS... How many times do we have to talk it over before you will understand? Not agree but at least understand you fucking pansy boy???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@57worldwide How MANY times do I actually have to say my criticism on Western society would be pretty much the same as that of an average muslim??????!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has nothing to do with us vs. them, but with just criticism,,,, How many words are u gonna waste on trying to evade what is criticism on yourself and your pink glasses? Can u even read you fucking asshole? I can't believe I am the one cursing while you are the one with the intelligence of an 8 year old.....
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@57worldwide If you really think the way people treat gays has something to do with 'cultural differences' you do not belong in the West you goddamn nazi! Fuck off to some muslim country you fucking racist! Fuck you and all the bullshit you stand for! How can someone have this bright theory about 'lover thy neighbor etc, and still be this retarded? Its unbelievable.. You where a waste of my goddamn time you fucking ignorant little monkey...
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@57worldwide Have fun in your little pink world, see if it makes a difference, see if it really changes anything.. Goddamn idiot! Even if its written, even when you, I and everyone who reads this knows what is going on, you still keep fleeing in the same directions as always.. Which could be summoned by saying that you rather please some retarded religious culture then acknowledge the rights of for instance gays... Its called 'apeacement politics' you fucking douche bag..
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@57worldwide and don't even give me more of your crap... Its clear.. You do not see the difference between cultural differences and basic human rights.. All because you love tot love everyone, but for those who disagree with you.. You just like to debate and ridicule those who do not agree with your ridiculous utopia.. Guess what, the whole idea of an utopia is that it can never exist.. So for your ideas.. They are bottomless as well as they have no limit...
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@57worldwide Its just crap from some guy who believe in the 'Jesus thought', but never came an inch further then this idea which most of us had since we were 5 years old.. You r a fucking joke who can't stop dancing around the bush, solidly because you can't admit that you never stop learning, and already assume you know anything.. But in fact you do not understand anymore then me when I was about 5 years old.. You r a fucking joke...
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@57worldwide
Go back to school kid..!
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@TTFLS2 The whole idea of an utopia is that it can never exist. I totally agree. No, I am not religious. No, I am not standing by any moral idea, that is you. What is human rights, if it isn't moral? Are you the retard?
Are rights inherited, or do we have to constantly fight to get and keep our rights? Do we criticise a strict belief system and think that will bring about acknowledgement and respect of our 'universal' human rights? Are you the retard?
57worldwide 8 months ago
@57worldwide looooooool :D can u please say one goddamn thing without contradicting yourself? Seriously, go get some diploma's...! This is really awful, seriously!!!!!!
''Do we criticise a strict belief system and think that will bring about acknowledgement and respect of our 'universal' human rights?''
That is actually the exact function of criticism.. That is actually exactly how we come further as a race... Do u have asperger? Seriously? This is ridiculous, go back to school you amateur..
TTFLS2 6 months ago
@TTFLS2 Once again, pointing to the Reformation, the criticism of Catholicism only got Martin Luther excommunicated. Did Catholicism change as a direct result of his criticism?
Do you really think your criticism of any religion, can actually change the religion? I thought your desired outcome would be to change the religion; why go about pursuing this, if the action you take (criticism of the religion) won't give the desired outcome (change within the religion)?
57worldwide 6 months ago
@57worldwide Are you seriously this dumb? Are you now saying that because there wasn't a direct change in catholicism because of Luther criticism is not the main reason for change? He changed the goddamn world by creating the protestant believes.. THIS IS CHANGE YOU RETARDED FUCKING MONKEY!!! HE WAS CHANGE BECAUSE OF CRITICISM YOU IGNORANT FOOL!!!!! How can u give this example and not see this? Do u have asperger? Goddamn you are stupid, how do people like u even get produced... Wtf? Seriously?
TTFLS2 6 months ago
@57worldwide Wtf does dr. King have to do with adjusting the bad sides of religion? I already gave you counter facts.. Its not about priests molesting young boys, because I am sure that happens in normal institutions also etc, its about the difference between molesting them and building a goddamn invisible empire through out the world, an empire that covers these things and gets lots of support to do so..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Again, the regular ignorance and terrible folly of man kind is with religious people covered by this blanket of super natural justification for their ideas. A barrier which is very hard to breach. A barrier that causes people to stop thinking straight.. So actually a constant flow of criticism changed religion in our society on many many levels.. I don't know where you are from but if you are not European, come visit sometimes, you'll see...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Do you have any idea on how a society works? Why has there been theater in all four corners of the planet for thousands and thousands of years? Why does art even exist do you think? Or criticism for that matter? Just because we like to walk around with our dicks held high into the air? Its how we change, reflect etc etc.. Now the molestation case is just a nice example of how the outside world is changing religion, its institutions and its people..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Why is atheism growing so fast in Europe and the US? Couldn't have anything to do with the foundation of the enlightenment? You are seriously telling me 200 years of hardcore atheists, scientists, artists etc did not change religion and the way it is perceived? I mean seriously? That must mean you are American or maybe Eastern Europe, which are a tad late but not at all free from this tsunami of rising atheism...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Lol and what did you say about not being prejudged about thinking people who criticize something like islam are prejudged? Loooooool look at your page, it literally says you are mostly defining yourself here on youtube as someone who fights bigotry and is fighting for higher freedom etc! And what about being prejudged of me? You expected just another troll, just another dude who couldn't match up to your awesome experience and CV..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Listen guy, I respect your ideology because I have the same! I had it all my life. But to really change something you need to take of those pink glasses to see what is really going on.. If you want to discuss racism, discrimination, imperialism etc etc etc, we could.. If you wanna speak about love for muslims and how for instance Western countries are mainly themselves responsible for immigration problems, we could.. However this discussion never was about any of this..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Its about criticizing islam and the possible need to do so.. The facts keep proving this is just.. Just admit you are wrong.. Its okay.. Nothing to be embarrassed about..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide The facts prove that religion causes lots and lots of damage it shouldn't.. You just choose to deny this.. You are making a mockery out of this discussion, like you have been all the time.. My fight is with religion and its a rewarding fight.. You just can't accept that I and my thoughts are nothing what you thought it would be.. You just can't handle not being able to make a point.. That's why you jump from point to point while never admitting wrongs in past comments...
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Keep walking around the bush for 2 years, but you won't get your right where you don't have it.. Do whatever you like, but your so called 'arguments' are so simplistic in their essence that its actually sweet for me to prove you wrong time and time again in like my coffee breaks etc.. Been a long time since I had a real discussion with somebody down at your level... Its quite pathetic..
Go back to school kid..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 You say that Islam should change. The Muslims could not follow a changed Islam without their own morals also changing. You say you are criticising Islam, when your evidence is the actions of Muslims. You cannot keep walking yourself around in this circle. Why don't you just admit that you think your morals and way of thinking are better, and you wouldn't criticise Islam if its moral code was more closely aligned to your own opinions?
Am I still wrong?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Criticism is the foundation of change for everything... How can u say that not criticizing religion would be a good thing because nothing will ever change? Did the catholic church not change? We have a pro gay artsbischop ffs.... How can somebody be this fucking dumb? Seriously is this really how u think? Its like you are trying to tell me 1+1=3 and smile while doing it.. Jesus christ you are sooooooo fucking dumb, its unbelievable.. Actually insulting, shouldn't be talking to u...
TTFLS2 6 months ago
@TTFLS2 So you don't misunderstand, I know homosexuals can't change sexual orientation. They can marry, have children and pretend they aren't homosexual. Blacks were judged by their skin pigment, and no matter how much a Black person WANTED to be White, they would never be able convince anyone that they are White. Comparing Blacks to homosexuals wasn't a good comparison, I understood what you were trying to say. I merely think you are the one who needs to rethink their stance.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide And you again deny the difference between setting up gay cure camps, putting them through all kinds of misery, killing them etc etc etc, is all miles away from general ignorance and discrimination.. How can u deny this? What if black people where denied from those public institutions, being beat up, harassed out of their homes etc etc? Then all of a sudden the problem would be worth mentioning? Your missing my whole point on criticizing islam all though I explained it so many times!
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Its not about islam who has to disappear, its about islam adjusting so it can be used for what its worth, which is pretty much a lot! And for that to happen it has to be able to compromise.. And its all nice and jolly that you think its okay that 120.000 people in my country are being discriminated against, but its really actually not even your business.. Not to forget you have the view of an unpractical 8 year old school girl.. Pretty pathetic form of love and intelligence..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide And again you are just pretending like its just me who cares about some silly problems, but in my eyes human rights are being offended.. This has nothing to do with wanting people to be or life like myself, but with basic human rights.. And again you assume some wild theory in your mind about how I look at people and life in general, just like you have been all the time.. This all to deny just criticism.!
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 Your criticisms are just in your eyes, just as an Islamist criticising your societal structure for giving homosexuals (close to) equal rights is just in their eyes! You will never see eye to eye with people who have morals which aren't yours.
We aren't one people yet, there is small likelihood we ever will be one people. We are one race, which divides ourself by real and imaginary borders. There is no 'moral highground', we like to think of ourselves as just and others think the same.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Well wtf do you think divides us? And I am not taking any moral higher ground, but besides some very very specific points.. Again you try to marginalize some very just points, the facts prove.. There is no reason to deny the facts.. Criticism is actually better spend on those you want close to you, it helps develop us all.. We already are one people.. Our leaders just aren't up for the job.. Which makes it hard to criticize something that deserves it..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Just because these morons in our governments can't behave or think straight, doesn't mean it evens out or becomes islamophobia.. And what you do not seem to get, that there is again a difference between cultural and individual difference, its about basic human rights.. That's where opinions stop and facts start.. Criticizing muslims for how they interact with marriage would be taking on their social structure.. This has nothing to do with human rights and facts that lead us to them
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Lets get out a couple of examples.. Israel? Not even gonna go into that one.. Bush? Irak? Afghanistan? Balkenende in my country? Do u think I am happy with all this? Not ashamed everyday of the week? We are all one people and we should start acting like it! We have problems with the planet that we can only overcome together, we got technology moving so fast that there are predictions that these are the last 50 years of the human build as we know it, resources are running out
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide plants and animals are dying, sweet water is already scars in some parts of the world, we got so called leaders fucking all of us over, where love can exist they create hate etc etc etc etc.. And don't get me wrong, I am aware of the rising islamophobia specially in Europe.. But this discussion is not about any of this.. Its about islam and religion as a whole.. So don't make any wild assumptions on what you like to be true..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide There is indeed a difference between criticism on islam and discrimination vs. everything that has to do with islam.. So maybe you like to believe that all criticism about islam just comes from ignorant people who have their hearts filled with hate, but its really not the reality..
Go back to school kid..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 You criticise Islam and the Islamists criticise your social structure! Is there a difference, or do you think them wanting us to be different is not comparable to you wanting them to be more like us?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide So what does this mean for France, Germany etc? And its not about good or bad, these people should get some time to develop etc, I'm just choosing how to make the most of that time.. Its already been said before.. Why do you respond if you do not read? Its not about religion as means to keep existing, but to kick down the fundamental pillars underneath it which would imply that its irrefutable.. Like we did with the Christians..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@57worldwide Kid, go back to school..
TTFLS2 9 months ago
@TTFLS2 What's wrong, am I right? You simply want them to be more like you. Because you are right, they are different, therefore they are wrong.
Your opinion is unchallengable; Is your knowledge also infallible? Are you a divine being?
All you are is another self righteous 'intellectual' who thinks they know what is best for other people. As if going to school would be the best thing for me! If that was your attempt at insulting me, it failed. You aren't always right.
57worldwide 9 months ago