Kyle Butt vs Dan Barker 'Debate' - The Existence of God (part 8 of 14)

[epicdeed]

Atheist chase the truth, there is no per-conception of philosophy that they are trying to prove other than what is true. This is not the case of the religious believers in superstitious supernatural beings, and usually not just one, there is a devil as well as a god to most religious. And then they try to retrofit supporting arguments for their fictitious ideas.

[Rospandan]

in butts answere to what is spirit when he answered well thats like saying what is darkness its the abscence of light.. soo.. god in the abscence of something, and in there fore nothing?

[MrLittletomdj]

So we start with an Ad Populum fallacy, which he then says aren't appeals to popluraity. Then a dressed up watch maker arguement, then a poor rendition of William Lane Craig's objective morality TAG arguement, then a few quote mines a Hitler reference (breaking Godwin's law). Then he ignores 16 of the 18 contradictions, evades the other two & spins the verses. I've heard all of these arguements before, we all have. They all suck.

[Ghoshul]

Anyone who says the BBT claims that everything came from nothing does not know what the BBT claims. Creationists claim everything from nothing. God created all this right? With what? Physical material? Where did he/she/it get the mats? Magic? Oh we're talking about magic... *slowly backs away* Thought we were talking about what is true and real. Sorry Christians.

[jodiebug1]

Yeah, I'm so sure this guy has "studied the cosmological literature" after hearing him call the big bang an "explosion that somehow created everything."

[TheDBALLYN]

It really is amusing to listen to atheists with their various theories and ideas about life. Why watch TV when one can get all the comedy he needs watching atheists on Youtube ?

[Ghoshul]

@TheDBALLYN Were you born stupid or did you assiduously work to acquire the stupid?

[HorrorIllogium]

Why did they applaud Kyle's awful argument at the beginning?

[asmarathe1]

17 million years ago a nothing became a something and exploded. (I see an issue right here) then, according to science textbooks, cells changed over and over again and long story short became all the life you see today. Have you ever realized thatin the SAME science book it says that a scientific law is tha No cell can ever become a different cell. Even if you think God is a thought to help people sleep at night, you have to admit the Big Bang is outrageously hypocritical.

[VanDoodah]

@asmarathe1 The Big Bang was approximately 13.7 billion years ago, not 17 million. Evolution is a scientific fact and the basis for all of modern biology. Fuck off back to your trailer park, you inbred Christian cunt.

[Turandot29]

asmarathe1 thinks a bloke built a big boat, put 2 of every animal in it and floated around in a monstrous flood **BUT** evolution is silly !!

[mattnashisgay]

I hate it how creationists always try to explain the existance of their god by suggesting he didn't need a first cause. According to them everything else needed a designer except for this one thing that started it all. To me that is cheating especially how they are the ones who argue that the Big Bang was "nothing creating everything", therefore it is irrational.

[RedLetterChristian]

@mattnashisgay whoa there, just before the big bang theory came out all scientist believed that the universe has always existed. it was eternal aka infinite, so now we have the big bang theory and all of a sudden everyone seems very antsy about an eternal god when just minutes before they were okay with an eternal universe. do you see a problem here? logically you need an entity that is totally self reliant to cause stuff that is reliant on other stuff and god is the only one that fits the bill

[Taizen001]

What a joke. Atheists are kind out of spite? How does that make sense?

[ragna120k]

Humans will vanish from this planet and this planet will live long after we're gone. Religion will destroy us.

[TheDaveCollier]

Do you notice the overwhelming mojority of the crowd agrees with Kyle. Embeded deep in the mind of every living human being is the basic idea of God. YOU MAKE A CONCIOUS CHOICE NOT TO. If you say different then you are telling an untruth. PERIOD!!! There's a great day coming.

[mcsmay]

I almost pissed on myself when he defined a "spirit".

[XsnRUBICON]

lll

[jrodkelly1]

Coldness is nothing yet we can feel it! oh I like ure knowledge Danny boy

[RomansPwnedJesus]

@jrodkelly1 Lol, what a moron. Coldness is an absence of heat. Noticing that something is absent is the opposite of sensing something.

[bwconklin]

I can't believe how bad Butt's performance was in this. He should be ashamed of himself. Dead horse arguments, comparing the development of a laptop to the development of life, arguing that God doesn't have to follow in any logic. I am embarrassed for him..

[steevyp]

2:40 - 3:10

hes basically saying atheists are supposed to be evil. how fucking ignorant is he? it never enters his mind that those good atheists he has met are good because they feel it is right to be kind and compassionate. you dont need religion to be a good person. totally ridiculous and ignorant comment from kyle butt.

[murs720]

@steevyp you need religion to become a fucking idiot and a killer/suicide person

this butt is so fucking stupid

[pcgamerjoe]

@steevyp Wow, you totally misinterpreted that. What he's saying is that on a wholly atheistic view, there is no inherent value or specialness to human life...no objective reason to commend things like altruism and compassion, since we are nothing but the products of naturalistic causes and matter. But in spite of that basic belief, some atheists choose to genuinely care about others anyway, even if it provides them no benefit or increased survival chances. That is "in spite of" their beliefs.

[steevyp]

@pcgamerjoe thats a totally irrational thing to say too. you cant say that because someone doesnt believe in a god means they dont value or love human life. im an atheist and I love life. I love my son. I carry with me every day the responsibility and honour of being his guardian and that I would give up my life to save his without a shadow of doubt. I love photography and beautiful things that nature brings. I dont need to believe that i have any other purpose in life!

[RedLetterChristian]

@steevyp atheists aren't evil they're just wrong, what he said was that the atheist world view is devoid of morality, compassion and kindness.Now you still behave in a moral compassionate and kind way even though you can't justify it in your world view. great men have tried and failed miserably to work compassion, kindness and morality into an atheistic world view and have concluded that it is impossible to do so. However atheists can't live their lives as if this were so and so atheists don't

[steevyp]

@RedLetterChristian If he says atheists are devoid of morality, compassion and kindness then that IS basically saying we are evil. Pure common sense I would have thought. You think the only reason to be kind is because God wants us to be? Atheists are kind because it makes us feel good to help others. Not because we want to get into heaven. An atheists reasons are far more sincere than a christians reasons. You dont understand how backward your response to my post is. Dont be so selfish!!

[steevyp]

I cant believe some of the posts we're getting on here. Some people saying there is no value in an Atheists life. Some saying theres no good reason for Atheists to be kind and compassionate. Others claiming we only act in a moral way because we cant justify it... its so annoying that people still think like this! Its primitive, self righteous and down right ridiculous! Dont tell me im not a good man you fucking horrible bastards!!!

[steevyp]

in answer to his statement from 2:06...

...where does sperm come from? how does it produce and reproduce in your testicles? does god put it there or does nature create it naturally from nothing? which statement is more likely?

same could be said about mucus in the nose or how trees produce oxygen.

[steevyp]

0:04 dan barker is like ''hahaha this is so funny. you and your bunch of brainwashed christians in the crowd sound so stupid right about now. hahahaha''

[wwnnn43]

It's something you can't see with your filthy White Devil eyes, Dan barker!

[lukeism2]

@wwnnn43 haha you're a dick

[bbdog141414]

Barker is absoloutley correct a spirit is nothing.

[OJBaxter42]

Continually invoking the argument from personal incredulity and using the god of the gaps argument doesn't prove a thing. Butt just has nothing. I haven't heard a single point which proves his god exists at all. This is pathetic!

[GuerrillaAtheism]

"outside of nature..." What is that exactly?

Materialism is not ex nihilo you ass.. I mean Butt!

"Non physical, incorporeal.." What is that exactly?

[niginit]

The crowd cackling at "Honest atheist" makes me regret sharing the same planet with them.

This is a three ringed circus.