Test your favorite HHO machine if effective or NOT. Park the car, start engine to normal temperature, run to 1500 rpm and hold it there by using tools or wedges. Turn ON your HHO machine. Check the RPM goes up to 1600 or more, it is GOOD. If RPM goes down or the same, your HHO machine is ineffective, useless, and waste of time, effort and money. Any seller will pass this test, BUY their HHO machine. (Forget the driving around wasting more gas, or read On Board Computer Instant MPG).
Turbochargers and superchargers use energy but put out more USEFULL energy. Im not saying this system works cause I never tried it. But saying it takes more energy to create than what can be used is incorrect.
@6tortured6soul6 interesting, you follow the same principle.. this is exactly why gears were invented. Too obtain more force with less input
that makes HHO on demand absolut;ley posible. Make less work for the engine to create energy :-)
beat you to it though.. I'm running 2 Permanent magnet alternators, they put out more power for less horsepower then standard electromagnet alternators.. talk about effeciecy boost.. woot over 40% more for less from the engine :-)
@Me102288 U r running these PMAs but what r they DOING 4 u???? For at least a yr now u have been preaching about ur PMAs andHHO. By now if everything u claim 2 b true is true u should b running a car using only water. Why r u not??? U do not do anything with these ideas u hav, and u cannot comprehend basic physical principles---what a combination!! If th childishly simple things u assert were tru, no oil wells or dams would ever hav ben built
@tampicokeed well PMA's dont require electricty to electromagnetize the core to produce electricity in the first place. So in the end run, theyre effeciency at generating it is much higher. Giving ALL of us more useable power to work whith while the engine is running. I'm not running them in in a vehicle. There a law in Canada, States you cant put any homemade Hydrogen generator, or run hydrogen in any moving vehicle.
so its on an 5hp moter in the shed. bout 7 oz. water a week.
Okay, people are sceptical about this technology and say its a scam because the amount of energy put in is less than what you get out from the hho because the machine isn't 100% efficient. The fact is whe arn't using this hho to 'run' our engines but instead, aid in the combustion process making a more effiecient explosion which emits less toxins and hydroxides.
To date no peer review studies of Meyer's devices have been published in the scientific literature, although his claims have been thoroughly discredited in scientific journals.
According to Meyer the technology was patent pending and under investigation by the patent office, the Department of Energy and the military.
@abz2000123 Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.
this is the technical excuse they used to discredit his work leading people to believe it 's all fraudulent & doesn't work, despite the concept itself working flawlessly
He used the terms "water fuel cell" to refer to his device, the use of the term is contrary to its usual meaning in science and engineering, in which such cells are called "electrolytic cells".
It's interesting to read the comments... How retarded some can be... Tell you what. I don't believe this thing really works. I don't. But it is cheap so I'll install it in my car. To see for myself. And if it doesn't work, I won't cry over that little money I spent. When people start throwing retarded insults at each other the only way is to get a 100% reliable proof: do it yourself and see what's it all about..
This video does not prove or disprove anything. Im going to try this for myself and know once and for all if its bullshit or not. FYI to some of you....hydrogen gas is a vapor and does not mix with gasoline going down your intake..........retards. Yes the hydrogen will burn but the two do not mix, its psychically impossible.
@HappyJackProduction1 if the hydrogen burns - doesn't it increase and speed up the combustion?
and i'm sure i read somewhere that the alternator can be hooked up to draw in the wasted electricity, one thing i noticed from stan meyer's time is that the military gets involved, (through talk about power for tanks) without denying it, and then the inventor is ridiculed (just google stan meyer), then a rich investor buys the patent and tries to suppress it,
@abz2000123 increasing the speed of combustion? yes it would be more explosive, burn quicker and complete but how does that tie into the electrical system? once the cylinder fires the electrical part is over until the piston rotates into the TDC again on the ignition stroke. I know all about what the govt has done, i know a man who has worked for the govt for over 40yrs in top secret fields, the 100mpg carb did exist over 50 years ago, thats just 1 thing out of thousands suppressed.
This video's title is misleading and just wrong. It should have a question mark where the exclamation point is. Now, it reads that it proves water for gas is a fraud. But, the video is aimed at proving that water for gas is a reality.
oh. and the reason why this is so controversial is because image how pissed off the big oil companies were when this technology came about? realllly pissed. they spent thousands and thousands of dollars to keep this technology a secret, thats y everyone today thinks powering there cars with water is sooo stupid. not!
well how dose that create fuel u might ask? well u need oxygen to burn fuel, and have u ever heard of the hydrogen bomb? yeah....its not a scam. its 50% increase because hydrogen mixed with gas is 10x more explosive then just gas alone. i rest my case
If you want a real green energy car wait a bit for carbon nanotube battery based cars and push your government for thorium power r&d, carbon fuel cell r&d to replace the coal power stations and for more thermo-electric power stations + the other renewables too. That's how you get a good car.
We need to get more actual results from customers who have bought these kits, on YouTube. I've only seen one positive review on YouTube, and the rest negative. The company sites had all positive remarks, of-course.
I think we need to focus on the real technology out there that can help. Hydrogen fuel- cell cars. All you need is compressed hydrogen. And now they have home fueling stations that you can get. The power source is natural gas, and the stations produce hydrogen that you can then pump into the car tank. The fuel cell then makes the power to drive the electric motor. What they are working on are clean, alternative energy(-to-) hydrogen terminals. That's what we need.
At-least those of you who bought these kits and had no improvement in mileage, wouldn't there still be the benefit of the hho keeping the valves, plugs, etc., cleaner, and a cooler-running motor with extended life?
dousn't surprise me, combustion engines run on combustable fuels. 2 parts hydrogen to 1 part oxygen (hho, Brown's gas, hydroxy)... should see an engine on nitro methanol, lol scary
What exactly is the point of saying it cant happen just cuz you read it in a book or some laws of science math or physics tells you other wise. Put one in a car, try it out, then you can know for sure.
you all stupied dumb asses it worked for me went from 10mpg to 25 mpg so quit acting like yoknow what the fuck ur talking about suck a dick up till u hiccup
ok people lets look at this intelligently, H2O is water, HHO gas is water gas, get it, just some fancy letter play and its got everyone thinking its something new. If you believe that this works your a fool, sorry but its true stop spending money on hydrogen its a 100% net loss of energy, nothing can be gained from hydrogen ever. it like a prius really its great on gas but the process to make it pollutes more then any other.
@adamslurch71 ya split the water into 2 parts hydrogen, 1 parts oxygen and feed it into a combustion engine. 100% net loss ? LOL if taking some gasoline away and adding a free process to replace it your version of "nothing can be gained" is flawed badly. You might want to read Nasa's version of how it will work IF you could generate enuff of it on demand. but hey you can just pay for gasoline as long as ya want. Anyway the world aint flat anymore toto.
i can only see narrow minded sheep who only believe what they were taught. Go back to when they told you the world was flat we know better now ,but then you would have been persecuted for saying or even trying to prove otherwise. And besides ever heard of cold fussion or cold fission
Ha ha ha, You have to lie in your title to get people to go to your website! These things are simply scams. you CANNOT get more energy out of a system than you put into it. Running an HHO generator off your alternator costs energy. More efficient burn? As soon as hydrogen molecules get near oxygen molecules, they combine and any potential energy gain is already lost before it even enters the engine.
People, don't waste your money on these idiotic devices!
And for the rest of the pro-HHO cult out there. If you don't want folks like me cluttering your video with FACTS and anti-HHO remarks...simply don't reply to them. Because (in my case) I'll just reply with a cut-and-pasted reply from below. So that when someone on the fence about HHO comes along and watches this video..they'll see my remark at the top, look it up to verify, and then won't buy your HHO device or make one themselves.
Sorry, kids. But it's true. If you really HAVE taken a basic chemistry class, you know how little energy it takes to electrolise H2O into Hydrogen and Oxygen - The perfect fuel. How can you refute this information by simply screaming "bullshit" and pointing your finger? Tell you what... get out there and try it. The plans are cheap enough and so are the materials. Stop whining about what you can't comprehend and DO it!
Mathatically? Math doesn't come into it. It's a simple chemical process called electrolization. By adding a charge to water, the H-2-0 molecule is broken down into it's component parts; One Hydrogen atom for every two Oxygen atoms or H-H-O... perfect fuel. You can use a battery to do this. NOT Ginormnous amounts of energy.
Its easy to call "bullshit" when the electrolysis reaction takes 286kJ to electrolize 1 mole of water. Burning that same quanity of HHO that was released can't result in more than 286kJ. The HHO-unit isn't 100% eff. in converting electricity into HHO and the engine you burn it in is <35% eff. Everybody who has taken chemistry class knowns this. HHO is a scam.
but what if it does not gain its energy through the HHO burning but rather it makes the gasoline burn more completely and therefore less fuel wasted. I could open my chem book and read a table just the same but it is how a combustion engine operates that you need to learn about.
I do have a chemstry book and electrolysis is explained in there. In that text it says that 286kJ/mole of energy is required to split 1 mole of water (18g) into H2 and O2 gas. Combustion of that exact amount of H2 & O2 back into water releases the same amount of energy, 286kJ/mole, 16kJ/g...gasoline is 44kJ/g. The HHO device isn't 100% efficient in converting current into H2 & O2, nor is the car engine its <35% in reclaiming it.
Also gasoline has around 44kJ/g-48kJ/g of energy. Every other fuel with a lower heating value has worse fuel mileage. Propane, E85, the alcohols, and NG all have lower kJ/g and get worse gas mileage as a result. So yes, I want mathmatical proof that engine-powered electrolysis devices are reducing fuel consumption and not a staged youtube video. Your "almighty know it all" comment, lenich89,...thats lame. I guess I can expect fact-LESS replies & petty insults from you from now on.
Finally some people that see you can never ever gain energy thru this process. After accounting for all the losses in the alternator, electrolysis, and internal combusion engine, you have lost most of the energy that you drew. For every shaft horsepower you take from the alternator, you'll get back .132hp at the crankshaft after burning the resulting hydrogen. What a waste of time. I wish all these people would focus their tinkering on something useful, like improving batteries.
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Well its not rocketscience that water gas is like 21 times more burn effishiant than ordinary gasolin...So particles that used from the gas is less and far more explosive than gaolin diesel et.c!
@martiangrundy thats old, nowadays we can run engine entirely with hydrogen on demand its a very simple process, electrolysis on water creates 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen, its sucked into the engine, goes bang and so on, just like gasoline, except gas is less explosive, creates hydrocarbons when burnt and leaves carbon build up in the engine. Hho is/does none of this its only exaust is water. The oil companys are shaking in they're boots, because we really dont need fossil fuels anymore :-\
@Me102288 They all use a real hydrogen cell that produces electrons from Proton exchange of hydrogen between a membrain not electrolysis. the electrons are used to car a battery bank, in turn this bank is used to power electric motors that move the car. These cars will never be mass produced there simply is not enough platinum or lithium in the world to support it. Despite your claims there is no use of combustion on these car's they do not have combustion engines period.
Why is the title called "Gas Scam! New Proof!" ? That's completely oxymoronic! First of all, a video is not proof of anything & secondly, this video adds to evidence SUPPORTING water powered cars.
But I am sure that your "Little man in the garage fighting againest the big bad oil company" thoughts are much more valid mine, even with the classes I took over 4.5 years getting my engineering degree. Maybe science just isnt valid anymore... When the first law of thermodynamics fails then we will have bigger things to worry about then a mason jar of water strapped to a gas guzzling SUV.
Anyone that has taken a chemistry or thermodynamics class can instantly see that this is complete bullshit. If any of you are thinking that this works I want you to first look up perpetual motion/energy machines. If this doesnt sort you out, go to your local college and take a chemistry or thermo class. Still don't have it figured out? Then go buy a mason jar, fill it with water and some stuff and shove it up your ass. It will do the same amount of good...
Maybe you are right how can these devices break the first law of thermodynamics I cannot answer that.
However things are changing in the world of physics and science every day ,Tomas Kelvin scientist (Kelvin scale)stated "heavier than air machines cannot fly FACT" We are now in the relm of quantum physics and nano technology who knows what will emerge but unfortunately for now thermodynamics reigns.
@burnbabyburn692 Yet another person mentioning the laws of thermodynamics when it does not apply to this case. In that case superchargers and turbochargers could not create more energy? Hate to burst your bubble but they do and give you better gas mileage as well. Have you ever taken a chemistry class? I have a engineering degree and im ASE certified mechanic.
@6tortured6soul6 Turbochargers and superchargers are entirely different beasts. They increase the amount of air available for combustion, which in turn increases the amount of mechanical energy from the engine. This increase is in excess of the energy used by the turbocharger or supercharger, so there is a net gain. These free energy scams claim that more energy can be had from burning hydrogen than is required to make that hydrogen. THAT is where thermodynamics comes in.
@randacnam7321 Well there is a hydrogen assisted car in production. It creates hydrogen on demand. Its called the Ronn Scorpian and its a supercar that gets 40mpg. Look it up.
@6tortured6soul6 The only thing they ever made is a prototype and they have sold nothing. Their methodology is also flawed as internal combustion engines burn at least 98% of the fuel they take in. They are a scam company. Face it. These mythical hydrogen fuel free energy devices are impossible scams.
@randacnam7321 cumbustion engines effeciebcy is by which fuel they run. there is no base if there's no fuel running it. all fossil fuels are under 50% with propane and natural gas being the most effecient.. Hydrogen is closer to 75% with the potential of even more giving how we learn new things everyday
If it isnt today, its the next.. Nasa use's it explicity called it a fuel..
FUEL..... wonder why they'd call it that it its a big scam
@Me102288 These devices claim to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen, which is then burned as fuel in the engine. Some energy is then taken from the engine to run the electrolyzer that breaks the water down into hydrogen and oxygen. This process is claimed to increase the power output of the engine. THAT is the scam, as the above process has a net energy loss.
@randacnam7321 But sir, u dont understand.lol In ol Me102288s fantacy land, if u add an extra load 2 an alternator, it does not require any extra gasoline to handle that increased load!!!!!!!!?!!!! Oh how wonderful a world it could be if only people like u or me were that "intelligent"!!!!!.
The system used is most likely a scam, just like the "Tornado Fuel Saver" a few years back, but that still doesn't mean that you can't run a car on hydrogen gas. GM, BMW, Honda, etc. all have prototypes that do it. The problem is that hydrogen is not as efficient, and to get the hydrogen, you need electricity. And most of our electricity comes from coal-fired power plants, so we're not accomplishing anything "green" at all, which is the primary purpose of hydrogen cars.
@talos1964 That is the problem. None of these things can get past the 'does it bloody work' stage because they rely on crack brained distortions of physics that leave real physicists and engineers banging their heads on the nearest wall due to the sheer stupidity of their fellow man.
The improved efficiency of burning gasoline more than makes up for the slightly extra electrical draw from simple hydrolysis of water. So yes, it obviously does work if you can double your mileage.
beefcake is right, the process used to make hydrogen from water is called electrolysis. Hydrogen is created by running electricity through water. The amount of electricity required to produce enough hydrogen to double a trucks gas mileage would be tremendous. The alternator in this truck would never be able to produce enough electricity required to create such a large amount of hydrogen. To double the trucks gas mileage a lot of water would be required along with a lot of electricity.
That would suggest the efficiency of burning gas is marginal. It is not. The little amount of carbon or CO from your exhoust proves the burning is near 100%
So the ~50% efficient alternator feeds energy to electrolysis at ~80% and then to an engine which is usually ~30%. Do the math. It'll never work, especially if you factor in Carnot's law for the engine. You would need 80+% efficiency to get anything like what is claimed, which would require temperatures hot enough to melt the engine when the radiator is at 0degC
No becuse what you just stated was a complete contradiction of the concervation of energy. Converting a compound back and forth will never net a energy gain just waste it, no matter what method you use of recomposition be it a combustion engine or magical pixie dust (snake oil also comes to mind).
@thebeefcake1 fail.... browns gas that is produced from electrolosis of salts in water can be done free using solar power to run the eletronics thus produces browns gas! free...
Bhoe bhoe you make me wheep .... He uses excess current coming from the alternator which only uses about 1HP. The gas he produces functions as a catalist when mixed into the air intake. This will make the petrol diesel or vegi oil for all I care burn way more efficient. Some ppl claim 99% emission free
@thebeefcake1 75 watts in, 2kilowatts out.... hho 11 plate drycell running an 20cc zenoah gas engine (for r/c aircraftt) the zenoah is turning a 2 kilowatt permanent magnet alternator meant for a vertical axis wind turbine.
1 kilowatt @ 300 rpm (marine grade alternators are very similar) welcome to the 20th century dude :-)
@Me102288 hey genius, your 20cc engine might be turning a 2 kw alt--so what. The question is whether it is turning it while u are drawing off 2kw. Of course the answer is no. I remember u as the guy who thought that the only thing that drags on an alternator is the bearing (aprox 2 mo ago). I look forward to the time you attain enough education and experience in your subject to actually be embarrassed about the laughable comments u hav posted.
@tampicokeed course not, no engine on any fuel can put out more kinetic energy then its maximum output..
spinning a pma while taking a smal bit of to keep the process running pus a 45 watt light bulbs worth of free, battery charging power hehe, thinking of a small 4 cylinder for the next test, possibly wrig more then one pma and gear it down. Putting any more then a 320 watt load stalls this little crapper right out,
@Me102288 If u think its so posible 2 "spin a pma while taking a small bit off 2 keep th proces runnng" than u should very easily b able 2 demonstrate it. How long have you been harping on these overunity ideas, but never simply demonstratng that they work? I understand u hav an electrc car. Why dont u attach 1 or more PMA to charg th batteries and nevr plug in agin!!!? Same thing with ICE using HHO! WHAT R U WAITNG FOR! Now why dont u try 2 addres this comment instead of anothr funny tangent??
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Test your favorite HHO machine if effective or NOT. Park the car, start engine to normal temperature, run to 1500 rpm and hold it there by using tools or wedges. Turn ON your HHO machine. Check the RPM goes up to 1600 or more, it is GOOD. If RPM goes down or the same, your HHO machine is ineffective, useless, and waste of time, effort and money. Any seller will pass this test, BUY their HHO machine. (Forget the driving around wasting more gas, or read On Board Computer Instant MPG).
bertulforc1 2 weeks ago
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tampicokeed 1 month ago
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tampicokeed 1 month ago
If you bash it, try it. It works. Ive done it.
QuincySweet2 1 month ago
I did this with my 91 Corolla and went from 34mpg to 43mpg.
QuincySweet2 1 month ago
This is all great, but I bet he changes his batteries every week, FORGET PAYING THE GAS COMPANIES, SWAP TO THE BATTERY COMPANIES!
sibritstone 1 month ago
Turbochargers and superchargers use energy but put out more USEFULL energy. Im not saying this system works cause I never tried it. But saying it takes more energy to create than what can be used is incorrect.
6tortured6soul6 3 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 interesting, you follow the same principle.. this is exactly why gears were invented. Too obtain more force with less input
that makes HHO on demand absolut;ley posible. Make less work for the engine to create energy :-)
beat you to it though.. I'm running 2 Permanent magnet alternators, they put out more power for less horsepower then standard electromagnet alternators.. talk about effeciecy boost.. woot over 40% more for less from the engine :-)
Me102288 1 month ago
@Me102288 U r running these PMAs but what r they DOING 4 u???? For at least a yr now u have been preaching about ur PMAs andHHO. By now if everything u claim 2 b true is true u should b running a car using only water. Why r u not??? U do not do anything with these ideas u hav, and u cannot comprehend basic physical principles---what a combination!! If th childishly simple things u assert were tru, no oil wells or dams would ever hav ben built
tampicokeed 1 month ago
@tampicokeed well PMA's dont require electricty to electromagnetize the core to produce electricity in the first place. So in the end run, theyre effeciency at generating it is much higher. Giving ALL of us more useable power to work whith while the engine is running. I'm not running them in in a vehicle. There a law in Canada, States you cant put any homemade Hydrogen generator, or run hydrogen in any moving vehicle.
so its on an 5hp moter in the shed. bout 7 oz. water a week.
Me102288 1 month ago
Stupid half ass local news reporters.
"Well Sandra, this Art guy says it's so, so it must be so DERRRR..."
That guy should be fired.
dick117 4 months ago
hahaha check out the guys site link its a petrolium and gas and oil linkup
smiles1969able 4 months ago
its real just oil companys dont want it because its free
smiles1969able 4 months ago
thanks for your proof !!!!
unfortunately i cant tell it to my cars
A3Hyzor 7 months ago
Fraud. Marked as spam. posted in 2008, it's 2011, we know this is a scam.
frosted1030 8 months ago
If it is a scam then why was Stan Meyer murdered?
spam4rb 8 months ago
@spam4rb Maybe he lived in a bad neighborhood?
Umaxen 7 months ago
Okay, people are sceptical about this technology and say its a scam because the amount of energy put in is less than what you get out from the hho because the machine isn't 100% efficient. The fact is whe arn't using this hho to 'run' our engines but instead, aid in the combustion process making a more effiecient explosion which emits less toxins and hydroxides.
MrFishfulThinking 8 months ago
To date no peer review studies of Meyer's devices have been published in the scientific literature, although his claims have been thoroughly discredited in scientific journals.
According to Meyer the technology was patent pending and under investigation by the patent office, the Department of Energy and the military.
abz2000123 9 months ago
@abz2000123 Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.
this is the technical excuse they used to discredit his work leading people to believe it 's all fraudulent & doesn't work, despite the concept itself working flawlessly
He used the terms "water fuel cell" to refer to his device, the use of the term is contrary to its usual meaning in science and engineering, in which such cells are called "electrolytic cells".
abz2000123 9 months ago
It's interesting to read the comments... How retarded some can be... Tell you what. I don't believe this thing really works. I don't. But it is cheap so I'll install it in my car. To see for myself. And if it doesn't work, I won't cry over that little money I spent. When people start throwing retarded insults at each other the only way is to get a 100% reliable proof: do it yourself and see what's it all about..
mamamijaletmego 9 months ago 2
This video does not prove or disprove anything. Im going to try this for myself and know once and for all if its bullshit or not. FYI to some of you....hydrogen gas is a vapor and does not mix with gasoline going down your intake..........retards. Yes the hydrogen will burn but the two do not mix, its psychically impossible.
HappyJackProduction1 9 months ago
@HappyJackProduction1 if the hydrogen burns - doesn't it increase and speed up the combustion?
and i'm sure i read somewhere that the alternator can be hooked up to draw in the wasted electricity, one thing i noticed from stan meyer's time is that the military gets involved, (through talk about power for tanks) without denying it, and then the inventor is ridiculed (just google stan meyer), then a rich investor buys the patent and tries to suppress it,
watch?v=6ft_3aB8sAg
abz2000123 9 months ago
@abz2000123 increasing the speed of combustion? yes it would be more explosive, burn quicker and complete but how does that tie into the electrical system? once the cylinder fires the electrical part is over until the piston rotates into the TDC again on the ignition stroke. I know all about what the govt has done, i know a man who has worked for the govt for over 40yrs in top secret fields, the 100mpg carb did exist over 50 years ago, thats just 1 thing out of thousands suppressed.
HappyJackProduction1 8 months ago
thats not a green chevy avalanche 0:38
115203 9 months ago
This video's title is misleading and just wrong. It should have a question mark where the exclamation point is. Now, it reads that it proves water for gas is a fraud. But, the video is aimed at proving that water for gas is a reality.
Alt4gas, correct your title.
stopdemockery 10 months ago
oh. and the reason why this is so controversial is because image how pissed off the big oil companies were when this technology came about? realllly pissed. they spent thousands and thousands of dollars to keep this technology a secret, thats y everyone today thinks powering there cars with water is sooo stupid. not!
wmaxham 10 months ago
whats water?
its H20
Whats H2O u might ask?
well its one part hydrogen and one part oxygen.
well how dose that create fuel u might ask? well u need oxygen to burn fuel, and have u ever heard of the hydrogen bomb? yeah....its not a scam. its 50% increase because hydrogen mixed with gas is 10x more explosive then just gas alone. i rest my case
wmaxham 10 months ago
If you want a real green energy car wait a bit for carbon nanotube battery based cars and push your government for thorium power r&d, carbon fuel cell r&d to replace the coal power stations and for more thermo-electric power stations + the other renewables too. That's how you get a good car.
QPWimblik 10 months ago
We need to get more actual results from customers who have bought these kits, on YouTube. I've only seen one positive review on YouTube, and the rest negative. The company sites had all positive remarks, of-course.
london2z 11 months ago
I think we need to focus on the real technology out there that can help. Hydrogen fuel- cell cars. All you need is compressed hydrogen. And now they have home fueling stations that you can get. The power source is natural gas, and the stations produce hydrogen that you can then pump into the car tank. The fuel cell then makes the power to drive the electric motor. What they are working on are clean, alternative energy(-to-) hydrogen terminals. That's what we need.
london2z 11 months ago
At-least those of you who bought these kits and had no improvement in mileage, wouldn't there still be the benefit of the hho keeping the valves, plugs, etc., cleaner, and a cooler-running motor with extended life?
london2z 11 months ago
dousn't surprise me, combustion engines run on combustable fuels. 2 parts hydrogen to 1 part oxygen (hho, Brown's gas, hydroxy)... should see an engine on nitro methanol, lol scary
Me102288 11 months ago
What exactly is the point of saying it cant happen just cuz you read it in a book or some laws of science math or physics tells you other wise. Put one in a car, try it out, then you can know for sure.
lukeopi11 11 months ago
News in USA.... hmm
Teh1337bix 1 year ago
this is such bullshit!only stupid americans with zip knowledge of basic science would even fall for doing something so daft &dangerous!
Bdiddly1 1 year ago
scam
SOLDIERF1 1 year ago
you all stupied dumb asses it worked for me went from 10mpg to 25 mpg so quit acting like yoknow what the fuck ur talking about suck a dick up till u hiccup
MrBlrambler 1 year ago
@MrBlrambler
hahaha, yet no videos on your profile. Idiot.
doopermountainman 1 year ago
ok people lets look at this intelligently, H2O is water, HHO gas is water gas, get it, just some fancy letter play and its got everyone thinking its something new. If you believe that this works your a fool, sorry but its true stop spending money on hydrogen its a 100% net loss of energy, nothing can be gained from hydrogen ever. it like a prius really its great on gas but the process to make it pollutes more then any other.
adamslurch71 1 year ago
@adamslurch71 ya split the water into 2 parts hydrogen, 1 parts oxygen and feed it into a combustion engine. 100% net loss ? LOL if taking some gasoline away and adding a free process to replace it your version of "nothing can be gained" is flawed badly. You might want to read Nasa's version of how it will work IF you could generate enuff of it on demand. but hey you can just pay for gasoline as long as ya want. Anyway the world aint flat anymore toto.
Me102288 11 months ago
i can only see narrow minded sheep who only believe what they were taught. Go back to when they told you the world was flat we know better now ,but then you would have been persecuted for saying or even trying to prove otherwise. And besides ever heard of cold fussion or cold fission
rustyrt 1 year ago
Ha ha ha, You have to lie in your title to get people to go to your website! These things are simply scams. you CANNOT get more energy out of a system than you put into it. Running an HHO generator off your alternator costs energy. More efficient burn? As soon as hydrogen molecules get near oxygen molecules, they combine and any potential energy gain is already lost before it even enters the engine.
People, don't waste your money on these idiotic devices!
knineu02 1 year ago
It works, Its real, NOW SHUT UP and buy one. Save America from the OIL terriost
CubanExile 1 year ago
And for the rest of the pro-HHO cult out there. If you don't want folks like me cluttering your video with FACTS and anti-HHO remarks...simply don't reply to them. Because (in my case) I'll just reply with a cut-and-pasted reply from below. So that when someone on the fence about HHO comes along and watches this video..they'll see my remark at the top, look it up to verify, and then won't buy your HHO device or make one themselves.
turbomoore 2 years ago
Love all these people claim SCAM yet they never tried it themselves.
And no need to pay for water4gas or any other books, just a basic chemistry class will teach you how.
I dont even use mine in my car yet, i just use it for little exposive floating balloons lol
KABOOM!
viper19861986 2 years ago
Sorry, kids. But it's true. If you really HAVE taken a basic chemistry class, you know how little energy it takes to electrolise H2O into Hydrogen and Oxygen - The perfect fuel. How can you refute this information by simply screaming "bullshit" and pointing your finger? Tell you what... get out there and try it. The plans are cheap enough and so are the materials. Stop whining about what you can't comprehend and DO it!
hotdogpoppa 2 years ago
prove it mathatically
turbomoore 2 years ago
Mathatically? Math doesn't come into it. It's a simple chemical process called electrolization. By adding a charge to water, the H-2-0 molecule is broken down into it's component parts; One Hydrogen atom for every two Oxygen atoms or H-H-O... perfect fuel. You can use a battery to do this. NOT Ginormnous amounts of energy.
hotdogpoppa 2 years ago
Its easy to call "bullshit" when the electrolysis reaction takes 286kJ to electrolize 1 mole of water. Burning that same quanity of HHO that was released can't result in more than 286kJ. The HHO-unit isn't 100% eff. in converting electricity into HHO and the engine you burn it in is <35% eff. Everybody who has taken chemistry class knowns this. HHO is a scam.
turbomoore 2 years ago
but what if it does not gain its energy through the HHO burning but rather it makes the gasoline burn more completely and therefore less fuel wasted. I could open my chem book and read a table just the same but it is how a combustion engine operates that you need to learn about.
lenich89 2 years ago
I do have a chemstry book and electrolysis is explained in there. In that text it says that 286kJ/mole of energy is required to split 1 mole of water (18g) into H2 and O2 gas. Combustion of that exact amount of H2 & O2 back into water releases the same amount of energy, 286kJ/mole, 16kJ/g...gasoline is 44kJ/g. The HHO device isn't 100% efficient in converting current into H2 & O2, nor is the car engine its <35% in reclaiming it.
turbomoore 2 years ago
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EnergySupply2008 2 years ago
There's only one thing wrong with your reasoning. See if you can figure it out by answering this question:
What type of system are all Laws of Thermodynamics based upon?
ThePresidentialTouch 2 years ago
m-a-t-h-i-m-a-t-i-c-a-l-l-y...btw
hotdogpoppa 2 years ago
HHO is a S-C-A-M...fyi.
turbomoore 2 years ago
proof? or are you the almighty know it all
lenich89 2 years ago
Also gasoline has around 44kJ/g-48kJ/g of energy. Every other fuel with a lower heating value has worse fuel mileage. Propane, E85, the alcohols, and NG all have lower kJ/g and get worse gas mileage as a result. So yes, I want mathmatical proof that engine-powered electrolysis devices are reducing fuel consumption and not a staged youtube video. Your "almighty know it all" comment, lenich89,...thats lame. I guess I can expect fact-LESS replies & petty insults from you from now on.
turbomoore 2 years ago 2
Finally some people that see you can never ever gain energy thru this process. After accounting for all the losses in the alternator, electrolysis, and internal combusion engine, you have lost most of the energy that you drew. For every shaft horsepower you take from the alternator, you'll get back .132hp at the crankshaft after burning the resulting hydrogen. What a waste of time. I wish all these people would focus their tinkering on something useful, like improving batteries.
proaudiohd 2 years ago
This is such a huge crock of shit.
"With plans from the internet..." - oh good. NOW we know he's telling the truth.
You'd have to be completely uneducated to believe this crap.
TRAyres 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Well its not rocketscience that water gas is like 21 times more burn effishiant than ordinary gasolin...So particles that used from the gas is less and far more explosive than gaolin diesel et.c!
SomeWillLieSomeNot 2 years ago
"40 to the gallon, it used to be 20, thats another 50% increase".
Isn't that a 100% increase????
I don't believe the shmuck either.
martiangrundy 2 years ago 20
that the shit thing about using percentages they are very misleading.
40mpg from 20mpg can be seen as a 50% increase
20mpg to 40mpg is a 100% increase
hho is only a scam if your not smart enough to make your own kit for cheap and you pay a bastard to rip you off.
ultrasonic misters/humidifers + HHO = better mpg
hho raises combustion temp + initial explosion ferocity.
water mist takes heat and expands to steam giving you more power and keeps your engine cool
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
@martiangrundy thats old, nowadays we can run engine entirely with hydrogen on demand its a very simple process, electrolysis on water creates 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen, its sucked into the engine, goes bang and so on, just like gasoline, except gas is less explosive, creates hydrocarbons when burnt and leaves carbon build up in the engine. Hho is/does none of this its only exaust is water. The oil companys are shaking in they're boots, because we really dont need fossil fuels anymore :-\
Me102288 1 year ago
@Me102288 They all use a real hydrogen cell that produces electrons from Proton exchange of hydrogen between a membrain not electrolysis. the electrons are used to car a battery bank, in turn this bank is used to power electric motors that move the car. These cars will never be mass produced there simply is not enough platinum or lithium in the world to support it. Despite your claims there is no use of combustion on these car's they do not have combustion engines period.
Lokivoid 11 months ago
Why is the title called "Gas Scam! New Proof!" ? That's completely oxymoronic! First of all, a video is not proof of anything & secondly, this video adds to evidence SUPPORTING water powered cars.
scienceguy2406 2 years ago 3
because the guy posting the video is doing a good job of social hacking to drive business to his website - look at the description
use the flag, option scam\fraud, to get jerks like this off youtube
and DjGisME is the same guy. kick him off too - youre not supposed to have double accounts on youtube
MagicTimeVideos 2 years ago 4
But I am sure that your "Little man in the garage fighting againest the big bad oil company" thoughts are much more valid mine, even with the classes I took over 4.5 years getting my engineering degree. Maybe science just isnt valid anymore... When the first law of thermodynamics fails then we will have bigger things to worry about then a mason jar of water strapped to a gas guzzling SUV.
burnbabyburn692 2 years ago 2
Anyone that has taken a chemistry or thermodynamics class can instantly see that this is complete bullshit. If any of you are thinking that this works I want you to first look up perpetual motion/energy machines. If this doesnt sort you out, go to your local college and take a chemistry or thermo class. Still don't have it figured out? Then go buy a mason jar, fill it with water and some stuff and shove it up your ass. It will do the same amount of good...
burnbabyburn692 2 years ago 7
@burnbabyburn692
Maybe you are right how can these devices break the first law of thermodynamics I cannot answer that.
However things are changing in the world of physics and science every day ,Tomas Kelvin scientist (Kelvin scale)stated "heavier than air machines cannot fly FACT" We are now in the relm of quantum physics and nano technology who knows what will emerge but unfortunately for now thermodynamics reigns.
cmacpar 2 years ago
@burnbabyburn692 Yet another person mentioning the laws of thermodynamics when it does not apply to this case. In that case superchargers and turbochargers could not create more energy? Hate to burst your bubble but they do and give you better gas mileage as well. Have you ever taken a chemistry class? I have a engineering degree and im ASE certified mechanic.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 Turbochargers and superchargers are entirely different beasts. They increase the amount of air available for combustion, which in turn increases the amount of mechanical energy from the engine. This increase is in excess of the energy used by the turbocharger or supercharger, so there is a net gain. These free energy scams claim that more energy can be had from burning hydrogen than is required to make that hydrogen. THAT is where thermodynamics comes in.
randacnam7321 2 months ago
@randacnam7321 Well there is a hydrogen assisted car in production. It creates hydrogen on demand. Its called the Ronn Scorpian and its a supercar that gets 40mpg. Look it up.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 The only thing they ever made is a prototype and they have sold nothing. Their methodology is also flawed as internal combustion engines burn at least 98% of the fuel they take in. They are a scam company. Face it. These mythical hydrogen fuel free energy devices are impossible scams.
randacnam7321 1 month ago
@randacnam7321 cumbustion engines effeciebcy is by which fuel they run. there is no base if there's no fuel running it. all fossil fuels are under 50% with propane and natural gas being the most effecient.. Hydrogen is closer to 75% with the potential of even more giving how we learn new things everyday
If it isnt today, its the next.. Nasa use's it explicity called it a fuel..
FUEL..... wonder why they'd call it that it its a big scam
electrolysis isnt a scam
Me102288 1 month ago
@Me102288 These devices claim to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen, which is then burned as fuel in the engine. Some energy is then taken from the engine to run the electrolyzer that breaks the water down into hydrogen and oxygen. This process is claimed to increase the power output of the engine. THAT is the scam, as the above process has a net energy loss.
randacnam7321 1 month ago 2
@randacnam7321 But sir, u dont understand.lol In ol Me102288s fantacy land, if u add an extra load 2 an alternator, it does not require any extra gasoline to handle that increased load!!!!!!!!?!!!! Oh how wonderful a world it could be if only people like u or me were that "intelligent"!!!!!.
tampicokeed 1 month ago
SO IT'S NOT A SCAM!
DjGisME 2 years ago
The system used is most likely a scam, just like the "Tornado Fuel Saver" a few years back, but that still doesn't mean that you can't run a car on hydrogen gas. GM, BMW, Honda, etc. all have prototypes that do it. The problem is that hydrogen is not as efficient, and to get the hydrogen, you need electricity. And most of our electricity comes from coal-fired power plants, so we're not accomplishing anything "green" at all, which is the primary purpose of hydrogen cars.
DJ4088 2 years ago
if the technology is out there, and proven, and freely available on youtube, whats the problem? Go do it! What is the debate here?
talos1964 3 years ago 2
yeah seriously everyone who believes it, go do it
thebeefcake1 2 years ago
@talos1964 That is the problem. None of these things can get past the 'does it bloody work' stage because they rely on crack brained distortions of physics that leave real physicists and engineers banging their heads on the nearest wall due to the sheer stupidity of their fellow man.
randacnam7321 1 month ago
What a scam! Another reason why you shouldn't believe what you see on TV.
aaronrnelson22 3 years ago 2
thebeefcake1 only repeats what he hears from big oil companies lol although he may not know that, that is where that statement actually comes from
marauda777 3 years ago
try it then haha
thebeefcake1 2 years ago
Have you improved your mileage personally?
It looks promising. Thanks for the vid!
percymate 3 years ago
the energy required to separate H2O exceeds the energy produced from burning it so no it doesnt work
thebeefcake1 3 years ago 9
The improved efficiency of burning gasoline more than makes up for the slightly extra electrical draw from simple hydrolysis of water. So yes, it obviously does work if you can double your mileage.
Alt4Gas 3 years ago
beefcake is right, the process used to make hydrogen from water is called electrolysis. Hydrogen is created by running electricity through water. The amount of electricity required to produce enough hydrogen to double a trucks gas mileage would be tremendous. The alternator in this truck would never be able to produce enough electricity required to create such a large amount of hydrogen. To double the trucks gas mileage a lot of water would be required along with a lot of electricity.
aaronrnelson22 3 years ago
That would suggest the efficiency of burning gas is marginal. It is not. The little amount of carbon or CO from your exhoust proves the burning is near 100%
PieterVisserVisser 2 years ago
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@Alt4Gas ; "The improved efficiency of burning gasoline more than makes up for the slightly extra electrical draw from simple hydrolysis of water."
No: it does not work. These devices waste fuel.
Desertphile 1 year ago
@Alt4Gas Then go get your effing million dollar prize already!
knineu02 1 year ago
@Alt4Gas
The law of conservation of energy:
A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be CREATED nor destroyed
it can only be transformed from one state to another
badbarada 1 year ago
@Alt4Gas
So the ~50% efficient alternator feeds energy to electrolysis at ~80% and then to an engine which is usually ~30%. Do the math. It'll never work, especially if you factor in Carnot's law for the engine. You would need 80+% efficiency to get anything like what is claimed, which would require temperatures hot enough to melt the engine when the radiator is at 0degC
doopermountainman 1 year ago 2
@Alt4Gas Liar !
a1mint 1 year ago
@Alt4Gas
No becuse what you just stated was a complete contradiction of the concervation of energy. Converting a compound back and forth will never net a energy gain just waste it, no matter what method you use of recomposition be it a combustion engine or magical pixie dust (snake oil also comes to mind).
Lokivoid 11 months ago
According to physics but does the alternator producing this power charge you per mile for its usage??? NO!
2point3turbo 2 years ago
Yes it does unless that gas engine turning the alternator is running on free gasoline.
robertg222 2 years ago
@thebeefcake1 fail.... browns gas that is produced from electrolosis of salts in water can be done free using solar power to run the eletronics thus produces browns gas! free...
Dragonstud 1 year ago
@thebeefcake1
Bhoe bhoe you make me wheep .... He uses excess current coming from the alternator which only uses about 1HP. The gas he produces functions as a catalist when mixed into the air intake. This will make the petrol diesel or vegi oil for all I care burn way more efficient. Some ppl claim 99% emission free
DutchUnited71 1 year ago
@thebeefcake1 75 watts in, 2kilowatts out.... hho 11 plate drycell running an 20cc zenoah gas engine (for r/c aircraftt) the zenoah is turning a 2 kilowatt permanent magnet alternator meant for a vertical axis wind turbine.
1 kilowatt @ 300 rpm (marine grade alternators are very similar) welcome to the 20th century dude :-)
Me102288 11 months ago
@Me102288 hey genius, your 20cc engine might be turning a 2 kw alt--so what. The question is whether it is turning it while u are drawing off 2kw. Of course the answer is no. I remember u as the guy who thought that the only thing that drags on an alternator is the bearing (aprox 2 mo ago). I look forward to the time you attain enough education and experience in your subject to actually be embarrassed about the laughable comments u hav posted.
tampicokeed 1 month ago
@tampicokeed course not, no engine on any fuel can put out more kinetic energy then its maximum output..
spinning a pma while taking a smal bit of to keep the process running pus a 45 watt light bulbs worth of free, battery charging power hehe, thinking of a small 4 cylinder for the next test, possibly wrig more then one pma and gear it down. Putting any more then a 320 watt load stalls this little crapper right out,
so if tiny works, it should scale up well
Me102288 1 month ago
@Me102288 If u think its so posible 2 "spin a pma while taking a small bit off 2 keep th proces runnng" than u should very easily b able 2 demonstrate it. How long have you been harping on these overunity ideas, but never simply demonstratng that they work? I understand u hav an electrc car. Why dont u attach 1 or more PMA to charg th batteries and nevr plug in agin!!!? Same thing with ICE using HHO! WHAT R U WAITNG FOR! Now why dont u try 2 addres this comment instead of anothr funny tangent??
tampicokeed 1 month ago
@thebeefcake1 it works
smiles1969able 4 months ago