m3e90board.com: Video: BMW M3 CSL vs BMW Z4 M Coupe '07

[MarMPB]

Very close!!!!!

[Chickenfang7]

I wonder what BMW will do with the E92 M3.

[ichancei]

look up e92 m3 gts

[sAmmIC111]

i agree but the z4 is pretty sexy

[Ialocin85]

Its clear that the SMG gear box with F1 shifts makes a difference in this drag race. Everytime the guy in the Z4m changes gear, the CSL pulls a bit more infront. Watch it again please correct me if im wrong.

[bimmerM3003]

i agree somewhat, but im pretty sure the csl has more horsepower and might b more lightweight...

[sirjoker292]

"But M3 CSL is the M model that held the value best of all M cars on the 2nd hand market. "

It;s not like your gona sell a cls model for 20k more then a regular m3

[FletchCSL]

CSL values are increasing and in the future it will for certain be a collectors model but for the best residuals on any M car you need to look at the E30 M3 Evolution sport

[chiodeguate1]

I used to see them in different spots around California for sale. Not the case anymore, they're getting harder and harder to find. I fully agree w you.

[LCBloodpack]

Nice! Both got the same engine. (The Z4 got the engine from the BMW M3 E46) But the CSL version is a bit more powerfull than the normal M3 E46, otherwise, the Z4 is a bit lighter and got a better streamline I think! ;)

[MQPCoupi]

the z4mqp is not lighter. it weight 100 kg more. CSL1380kg, Z4mqp 1485Kg. the csl got 27hp more and the airbox wich give more power as faster you will drive. SMG etc. it was a great race from the Z4mqp. it weights more, got less hp no smg. The Z4 MQP the ultimate drivingmachine. put the same tires on the mqp, an airbox and less weights, the mqp drives circles around the csl

[cutelookindoctor]

csl was a rip off price wise, 20k more than standard m3. You could pay 500 and have your standard m3 chipped to 370 Horsepower no problem. One car mag test showed just this and infact the standard m3 was just as good, if not better low down in the rev range.

[m5boarddotcom]

But M3 CSL is the M model that held the value best of all M cars on the 2nd hand market.

[cutelookindoctor]

yes i agree, but they are not worth that much now in the credit crunch.

[sexy325]

kid, life ain't all about horsepower.

[cutelookindoctor]

I know its not, but CAR magazine did a test on two m3 e46's with uprated ecu flash against an m3csl round a track. The test was done to prove why pay the extra 25k for the csl when the standard m3 can be had for the same bhp. And kid, its not about money either but sensiblity.

[sexy325]

you pay 25000 dollars in extra, because, I'll just simply list the differences here, in case you don't know.

alpha-n software, front bumper, intake, wheels, tires, hood, rear glass window, the trunk lid, the floor of the trunk, rear diffuser, reworked steering, door trim, steering wheel, center console, center e-brake trim, and bucket seats, not to mention it's rare

[cutelookindoctor]

Why didnt you list the items that have been taken away. I couldnt justify the extra money unless youre going to buy a porsche( 911) or something of that nature. In the UK the Csl was £62000 in 03, 04. I only paid 43000 for my e46 m3 with everything on it. I had the ecu flashed after the mag article and it was putting out 370bhp for like 800 dollars. My friends csl couldnt pull away from me. I am simply saying id have sooner spent 62k on a porsche. Afterall the the m3 is stilla family car

[MotorSportGuru]

Because if you buy 1 of only 1400 csl's you will probly get most of your money back, basic m3 will lose value more than tri-fold.

[e46competitionM3]

or here in the u.s, u could have paid only 4grand extra and not 25grand and get the competition package which has the upgraded suspension,steering wheel and steering ration,brakes and rotors, tires and wheels and track mode of the csl. imo its a better deal regardless if i have it as well lol

[benberklee09]

the csl also has no radio no air, haha its hard core not any everyday driver by any means.

[Jacka1]

I agree. I would take the CSL anytime of the day.

Whats the point of having all that horsepower if you can't put it down to the tarmac without losing traction ?

[polaxgr]

@cutelookindoctor its not about the horse power, its about the feeling when driving the car. M3 CSL one of the most brutal BMW's ever built. Track car.

[GT3LM]

@cutelookindoctor Your chipping comment is laughable - you think the CSL is an M3 with a little more bhp and a body kit? I can't believe the naivety if some people.

Go drive them both around a track and keep making those comments.

[knixkidd]

BMW should make a CSL option on every Mcar

[rangerovertruck]

with intke get 7 hp more =362

[megamaximus07]

M3 csl has 355hp not 362

[Maui2010]

CSL has 360hp in stock form from the S54B32

[cante199]

z4's driver are able to gear? uhm...

[bajsbajskuni]

Z4 eats the usual m3 for breakfast but not the CSL hehe :P

[Ryan81M]

CSL flies like a fuckin' eagle

[adamukrop]

i love CSL, i just LOVE it! Hope i can oford it some time

[pfo335]

whats nice about the z4 mcoupe is that it's lighter than the regular m3 with the same engine.

[johnny0122]

m3 is hella lighter. just that weight difference means another car length for the m3

[e92m3fan]

the csl didnt win by much since the z4 got a head start

[sineffilo]

the m3 csl is favorite to win he need 4.8 from 0-60 and the z4M need 5.3 from 0-60

[PasseFuture]

This isn't a 0-60 run....more like 0-160

What is it with you people and your magazine racing?

[HanDaGOAT]

correct..

I have never seen a 0-60 race in my life.. so that number is pretty much useless.

[MQPCoupi]

the z4mqp needs 5 sec 0-60

[ArmandoBaez]

z4m was the favourite to win.. i dont get it too.. it has 343HP 6cyl in line..

[Sully5486]

the m3 has a 362bhp straight six, and weighs considerably lighter thanks to carbon fibre panels and a mostly aluminum structure so the csl is actually the favourite..looks like the z4m got the jump but was reeled in

[03basesedan]

looks like the m3 got a little jump

[AudiS4V8]

What in the world are you smoking??? That was about as dead-even a start as one could possibly hope for - and in fact, the Z4M was about 3-4 feet ahead of the CSL at the time.

M3 CSL's gonna trounce the Z4M every time, thanks to the ram air effect of its airbox, etc - but still a very impressive showing for the Z4M - wouldn't have expected it to keep up that well.

[TmoneYenomT]

I have a vid with my m3 racing another m3 on the freeway and i destroyed him both stock:]

[biker1510]

I dont get why the m3's faster.

[HanDaGOAT]

I thought the z4 m has 330hp (US specs)? how did we come up with 343?

[JackTheLaird]

Because this is Europe!

[HanDaGOAT]

damnn U.S , why do we always get the watered down version all the time!!

[z0mbiak]

non liku u

[HanDaGOAT]

sorry don't understand you

[burritomaker69]

if there was nothing between a z4m and a csl then you probabaly werent driving the csl to its neearest limit. cuz a csl would do far better then a z4m.

[kimmochka]

Really nice race, I liked it!

[copali]

M3 CSL is more light than Z4M...this is the one of caratteristics of M3

[onlytruth100]

That the e46 m3/Z4 engine won the international engine of the year 5 years in a row for its class speaks volumes.

An amazing engine still by todays standards ...one of the greatest engines ever produced.

[m5boarddotcom]

Its a very nice engine.

[polaxgr]

@onlytruth100 7 years in a row

[onlytruth100]

The csl is 360 bhp and the Z4 is 343 bhp. Pretty much the same engines but the csl's was reworked to get the extra power. The csl's still has the same displacement but did have different cam's, reduced friction internals and of course different air filter/manifold. I think it had a superior engine management system aswell.

So pretty much exactly the same engine with some tweaks.

[arbelo2000]

z4 m has the same standard m3 engine whith 343 hp!!!!!!!!

[Lorinand]

the CSL is amazing

[ori599gtb]

The Z4M uses the 343ps version of the 3.2 straight six, i.e. the "normal" 3.2, while the CSL has an improved 3.2 with 17ps more, 5Nm more.

The SMG gearbox make the rest.

[m5boarddotcom]

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[TroyRx]

anyone else find the z4 ugly ?

[m5boarddotcom]

So what?

[onoitsaWRX]

That was closer than the RS4 race where the Z4M lost as well.

CSL driver = Bad?

[m5boarddotcom]

CSL driver is certainly not bad.

[animool]

it wasnt beat by much

[phas3r]

the z4 m is using the same engine as the normal e46 m3 so this race is to prove how much the extra 17hp and less weight will beat it

[charlesmarshall]

z4 m does not use the normal e46 m3 engine. it uses the m3 csl engine.

[RussRamz]

You are correct. The basic engine is the same, but the airbox and cams on the M3 CSL are different. You are getting some negative comments, but those who know--know you are correct.

[ASxROMA]

I have a standard M3 2006 and a z4M coupe. The Z4M is a much faster car. It has the engine (as stated above) of the M3 CSL with decreased weight. At low revs the Z4 has more torque by far than the M3 (standard non CSL). Now I cannot speak about a CSL since I have never driven one nor raced against one.

Keep the Z4M coupe vids coming since there are not many.

[shamma444]

i have posted some footage of me in my csl following my mate in his Z4M on the ring and there's nothing between them on the straight. Both are chipped and run around 370bhp. We spent the whole way down on the autobahn and again nothing between them.

[gas200777]

i just wanted to tell that you are WRONG

the z4 m DOES use the normal m3 engine because its 343hp ;)

[girlongirl6385]

horsepower doesn't define all cars equall. just watch top gear's evaluation of this car

[RussRamz]

Sorry, you are wrong. The CSL has 288 duration cams, different rocker arms, and an Alpha n intake.

The S54 on the Z4M makes up on power through the Siemens DME that is also used in the current M5 and M6. It is better able to adjust A/F ratios than the old DME used on the E46 M3 and M3 CSL.

[animool]

thank u 4 racing the z4m more often its good to see what its capable off

[m5boarddotcom]

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[SimonHN]

M3 CSL kick ass on track. :-)

[911gt333]

Yep 7:49 on Nurburgring!

[mitchkuhn]

Hi love the video but please if you could translate into into english on subtitles this would be great.

Ps i have a z4 and i think it would win.

Cheers M

[m5boarddotcom]

I will try to :)

[BradV8]

You think a Z4 will beat a CSL. Are you high?

[EliteSoldier112]

Hell yea... :) ---

Na don't do dat shit, you'll get addicted and lose your job,family, etc.

[originaltrip]

pathetic

[heavenlychains]

aLot ????? is the engine more powerful or is it just lighter than a standard m3 ?

[m5boarddotcom]

Google -> "m3 csl"

[heavenlychains]

what is the difference between a normal m3 and an m3 csl ?

[m5boarddotcom]

Alot.

[DZNewmark]

your telling me this M3 CSL barely beat the Z4M, yet the RS4 beat the Z4M and was left in the dust by the CSL?

Proving you are a complete ignorant BMW fanboy.

[m5boarddotcom]

So, where to begin with such a corteous comment :D

The M3 CSL vs Z4M and the RS4 vs Z4M was done when it was close to freezing point (4 degrees Celsius), alot of oxygen molecyles andnot so much heat.

The CSL vs RS4 race was when it iwas over 30 degrees Celsius, and the RS4 V( was affected more by the heat than the straight six of the CSL consequently.

Anyway, thanks for reading ALL the explanation on the videos :)

[rickleg]

hahaha some people have no class

[m5boarddotcom]

Could be...

[DZNewmark]

I'm sure your explanation is valid.

Re-race the CSL and RS4 at these temperatures.

[m5boarddotcom]

We have done that and that will come.

[sillyboy32]

good response. I would also mention as I did before that the RS4 driver does not know how to properly drive the high revving engine. Also, hats off to the Z4 coupe. Oh, 3 peeps in the RS4...an extra couple hundred pounds tehre at least

[m5boarddotcom]

All cars where redlined.

[sillyboy32]

well..the start was a roll with RS4 at 2k rpm...bad for a low tq car...no way the RS4 was redlining it...I know that engine all too well, and am just learning the new M..got em both..

[m5boarddotcom]

You werent there, I was.

[rickleg]

PROVE IT

[m5boarddotcom]

Come on...

[krevet84]

Is that Z4M tuned?

[m5boarddotcom]

It is stock.

[krevet84]

Thanks for fast answers man,keep up with good work.Greetings from SERBIA

[m5boarddotcom]

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[vipeme1]

nice vid, I actually expected it to go the other way...

[ClaritySWE]

Är det privata bilägare eller firma?

[m5boarddotcom]

Privata. Hurså?

[ClaritySWE]

Tänkte med tanke på att det stod 7H på Carrera GT'n, Bentelyn och någon mer. Carreran har ju även varit ute på blocket där firman 7H annonserade den. Därav tänkte jag om många av bilarna tillhörde firmor/företag och inte bara privatpersoner.

[m5boarddotcom]

Inte för detta event. Många av 7Hbil kunder dök upp till det första eventet.

I vilket fall, vad spelar det för roll?

[ClaritySWE]

Spelar egentligen ingen större roll. Mest intresserad av varför det var så många 7H-bilar. Något jag fick svar på nu.

[m5boarddotcom]

OK. Hör av dig om du tror du har en bil eller en vän som vill vara med! gustav snabela gtboard com

[eyepatchentertainmen]

This is exactly the type of videos I want to see. I love my M Coupe and watching it go against a CSL is fantastic

[m5boarddotcom]

Thank you.

[theoldspicestuff]

My neighbor owns a Z4 M coupe. I knew that they were pretty fast but holy shit. He was keeping up with the M3 CSL for a while there.

[m5boarddotcom]

For a while :)