I'm with Carolla: The primary outrage regarding OWS has to do with a very small number of super-corrupt dudes --but who do they go and harrass? The more average traders and bankers who have to go bust their ass every day like everybody else, and who've earned lots of money doing it. But those with ill gotten gains are SO rich and SO small a minority, that protesters will probably never meet one. So, hey, let's go beat on this guy -- he drives a nice car and wears a suit and works on Wall Street.
You really can't have a reasonable conversation about OWS, because they are so disorganized, so many people want different things, so how can you talk about whether they are right or wrong?
Cause the stuff Cenk is arguing for isn't necessarily the stuff the OWS people are talking about.
And the peopel Adam Carolla is talking about exist in large numbers, but it's not the whole movement.
Adam corolla hit the mail on the head. This generation has a "self entitlement" culture. Im not saying there's not greed in our country im just saying alot of people feel owed something rather than bust their ass and work for it. Jmho tho..
Why can't people understand that this movement isn't about money? It's about much more than that! It's about injustice and greed! Ever wondered why we don't have free universal health care? It's BECAUSE of large corporations throwing money at people to ensure that system is never implemented. To know countless people die because of this is just downright SICKENING. We need a system in which we're represented without any outside.... influence? (MONEY). This has gone too far.
@rminitials There's no such thing as a free good. It doesn't exist. You want it to be paid for by the rich. At least be honest about what you advocate. And "countless people" die in countries with or without "free" healthcare. Living has a 100% mortality rate it turns out. Their healthcare systems are also generally inferior to ours in terms of quality. People often die or worsen while waiting for an operation/procedure. Happenstance you think? Look a little closer at the facts if you think so.
1- Who said ANYTHING about having the rich pay for it? See.. you need to understand that, the true American foundation isn't looking for a handout. We're not! We demand a level playing field. Where everyone and anyone plays by the same rules. That includes NOT being able to purchase our politicians. They wanna make ridiculous salaries a year? LET THEM. That's capitalism. However what they're DOING with the money is downright illegal and extremely immoral.
@rminitials When a government has the power to essentially decide what businesses shall prosper (government contracts, subsidies, regulations that stifle the growth of new competitors, tariffs to protect them from foreign competition) and which shall not, what other outcome is there but for those who have no scruples in buying and selling government favors to benefit? It's a totally perverse incentive-structure; one in which the best manipulators and slicksters profit, not the industrious.
2- Furthermore... their "bailout" plan cost us a ton of money and though we didn't get it back, they PROFITED off of it. Keep in mind, this is all going on while people are being evicted from their homes. Capitalism is a great system, but we need to control it somehow. Until then, we're never going to progress the way our forefathers intended.
@rminitials So, you believe that special treatment towards businessmen with political clout constitutes capitalism as usual? Not in the slightest. If you're going to chide capitalism, or outright condemn it as others do, you would be well served to know what it actually is first. Also, you condemn those who buy political influence, yet you let slide those who sell it. They're the problem. Limitations on government power have been eroded for over two hundred years running, what did you expect?
"Also, you condemn those who buy political influence, yet you let slide those who sell it."
This is huge part of what this movement is about. We can't stop those that have power by simply calling them and asking them to please play fair. I personally am all for Capitalism. It's a great system that promotes a healthy lifestyle, as well as innovation. Like you said, the problem lies with those that feel it's okay to purchase our voice. They're the problem.
@rminitials And how do we go about it? I've yet to hear any compelling thoughts on that point from any member of OWS that I've spoken to in person, or heard speaking in general. It's just sloganized thought as always it seems. Such things as, "we need a system that's not based on greed." says nothing, in fact, it says less than nothing, because it confuses the uninitiated into believing that greed in and of itself is the problem, which it is not. Greed is a natural human characteristic.
@ScionAscendant "Greed is a natural human characteristic." Murder is also a natural human characteristic. Doesn't make it benign though. "I've yet to hear any compelling thoughts on that point from any member of OWS..." Well the bedrock of the revolutionary left in the U.S. has been crumbling for so long that I can't blame people for not having the answers. This is just a beginning. I think you'll agree that things had been, politically speaking, stagnant for the past 50 years.
@HardHouseMusic4Me Greed is a form of desire; murder is an act. While I know that you're aware of that distinction, most people who throw that word around conflate the desire to profit by providing a good or service with the willingness to step over corpses to get money in any way that one can. Madoff was "greedy", but what's important is that he was willing to defraud others to fufill his "greed".
@ScionAscendant I'm not so sure about the distinction you're bringing up between an act and desire, for is desire itself not a willful act? Also I would like to differentiate between self interest and greed. I think what you're describing with the goods and services argument is different. Someone needs something, I sell it to them, I can then support myself. Now that, to me, seems more like self interest rather than greed. Greed seems more pathological than that.
@rminitials I say that lack of education in economics is one of the huge problems facing us as a nation, as well as too much trust placed in our government; as little as it is lately, it's still too much. We need an electorate that is generally suspicious and critical of government, otherwise it will succeed in fooling and robbing large numbers of people of their wealth for the benefit of it and it's cronies. Power will always be misused if it can be gotten away with; especially government power
@ScionAscendant "Suspicious and critical of government," I would go one step further and suggest that each individual citizen should be much more involved in the political process. I think you would agree. The American public has been so completely atomized and marginalized. Suspicion concerning the government is useless unless the people are more united in their common struggle. "Power will always be misused... Especially government power," economic power can be quite nasty too.
@HardHouseMusic4Me Sure, I agree that economic power can be very harmful. However, I disagree vehemently with the notion that "regulating" it (i.e. centralizing it, to a greater or lesser extent) makes it any less so, even if we assumed that those in government had nothing but the best intentions (hint: they don't). Being united is a double edged sword. Being united in being wrong is not a good thing.
@ScionAscendant "Being united in being wrong is not a good thing." Not being united at all is worse, I should think. Decentralize economic power and you don't have any balance. There's a reason we have the judiciary, the legislature, and executive branches. Something has to be there in order to balance the power. If we can get to the moon and send satellites into deep space, we should be able to control more fundamental human concerns, like wealth and power distribution.
@HardHouseMusic4Me Define "balance" for me please. What, specifically, do you mean by balance? "Decentralize economic power and you don't have any balance." Why should that be a problem? Balance for what? Most importantly; balance for whom? To whom does an economy belong? Of what does an economy consist? My understanding of an economy is that it is an aggregate; it consists of the disparate desires, goods, and values of all of those who are part of it; it's not a tool for anyone's sole ends.
@ScionAscendant Balance here would mean that no one person would have too much influence over other people's lives.. It's just an anti-monopoly, anti-hierarchy sentiment. Balance for the sake of the society itself. Like you said, the market is supposed to be representative of the aggregate needs of the people; however, it's not consumers who create the new toys we buy, it's industry. So insofar as industry affects innovation, the market represents what they're willing to sell.
@rminitials This theft of wealth has been going on for much longer and on an immensely greater scale than merely the bailouts of recent times; this was a drop in the bucket. The only reason so many people are angry is because in this case it's easy to see that we've been robbed. The dangers and theft of wealth brought about by a fiat currency, fractional reserve banking, and the Federal Reserve are much subtle and difficult to grasp without some economic education.
@ScionAscendant I don't exactly see how fractional reserve banking is associated with wealth extraction. I've got problems with the gold standard, it places limitations on the economy which can be circumvented by a fiat currency, although that has it's problems as well. As for the FED: there has to be some sort of governing body that decides how much money to circulate, how to regulate other institutions, etc. Abolish the fed, then what?
@HardHouseMusic4Me Of course the gold standard has inherent problems; any system does, and anyone that tells you differently is either being disingenous or is very young and naive. The only reason that I am in favor of the gold standard is that it helps prevent the government from stealing our wealth by taxing us via running the presses to save itself from it's own lack of fiscal responsibility. In the words of Ayn Rand; "It's to keep the looter's hands off of your savings."
@ScionAscendant Well somebody has to decide at what ratio gold will be exchanged for dollars. The government is still going to do the accounting. Who would you propose to undertake this task? Also, growth means more money, more money means more printing. Again, somebody still has to decide how much and at what rate gold will be accumulated. As for all this Ayn Rand stuff, I get the whole, "Hymn to money," type stuff. We just need to think further than that.
@HardHouseMusic4Me The Federal Reserve is not the U.S. Treasury; you seem to be confusing the two. As far as your argument against people having "influence" over our lives; that's an inevitability in any system. The only alternative we have is whether those influences be diffuse or concentrated, and whether they have a badge and a gun behind them. Monopolies and cartels have shown themselves time and again to be unable to cope with open markets. Government is unnecessary in that regard.
@ScionAscendant The federal reserve also doesn't print any money. I think you got that mixed up a bit. You see, the various reserve banks make orders for money, the federal reserve receives these orders, and if it doesn't have enough cold hard cash at hand, it calls up the treasury and tells them to start the presses. The point is that the treasury has ultimate control over the printing of money
@ScionAscendant Why should it be an inevitability that others will have undue influence over our lives. It's not set in stone that things will necessarily work out that way. You'll never have a market free of non-capital influence. Why should some billionaire's decision to buy up a company or sell short all his stock effect me the way it does. No, that kind of system is too contingent.
@HardHouseMusic4Me I didn't say "undue" influence. Whether an influence is undue or not is a matter of opinion, and gives us no principle by which we can make laws so as to structure our society. Actions of one will always affect another in a market (society in general as well). That is an inevitability. The best thing I could suggest in order to rid oneself of that influence is to be as little a participant in that market as possible (grow your own food, live off the grid, etc.etc.).
@ScionAscendant Okay, let's say that there is a single individual on this planet smarter and more capable than any other human being. Let's say that this is objective fact, no one can dispute it. Would that justify his influence over the world? No I don't think so. Even if they're the most qualified people on the planet, objectively better than me in every way, business execs have no right to affect our collective the way that they do. Too much power in too few hands.
@ScionAscendant Again, the fact of the matter is that you can go full out Darwinian and say that the rich and powerful deserve it, they're better, etc. etc. and I still don't think that would justify the structure that we have. I just don't want a class of owners, a class of borrowers, and a class of those who have been completely left out. Our subjectivity allows us to transcend our base desires, let's not be slaves to ideology.
@rw5791 What are you basing that on, exactly? The Occupy movement is made up of working class stiffs. Maybe you should actually FOLLOW THE NEWS (preferably not from Fox, which is well known for making things up).
@BoredomCorner working class stiffs were the men who came back from fighting the japs and started families and worked in the auto plants and steel mills.
These punks at OWS are nothing but sniveling masturbaters who wouldn't know a days work from their ass.
@PatriotsDomain I'd bash your freak head in with a baseball bat but it's not even necessary because you're a loser. Now and for the rest of your life u will always be....................a big freakin' loser.
Adam Corolla didn't receive his h.s. diploma until he was in his forties and he briefly attended Los Angeles Valley College, a community college, where he was placed on academic probation before dropping out; and it SO shows!
If you are familiar with red herrings, straw men, ad homs, etc. you will notice that that is almost the exclusive content of his statements here.
These same conservative closet racist type ass holes such as corolla said thing much similar to this about those who participated in sit ins in the 1960's. Look at hoe badly they lost that argumnet. Im glad those racist ignorant pieces of garbage now have to drink from the same water fountains and use the same restaurants, and restrooms, as the rest of us.
@QCREIGN This isn't a race issue. It's a class super rich BILLIONAIRES vs the rest of us issue. Currently just 8,000 households take in as much wealth as $70 million Americans which is a destructive and unsustainable equation. Why? Democracy has turned into a MONARCHY and a revolution is the only answer to stopping the collapse of our economy.
@QCREIGN Why do liberals always accuse people of racism when they disagree on something? I might disagree with on some things, but I wouldn't accuse you of racism unless you did or said something racist. Adam did neither. Disagree with him as much as you want, but stop with the racism nonsense.
@leadpndguitar You are in essence right the government did fuck it up. But the top .01% own the government. If you dont agree google jack abramoff....he was a lobbyist who went to prison because of a bribery scandal.
@QCREIGN It's not about whether the rich or anyone else is "just fine" or not. This isn't about the welfare of any group. It's about the rule of law (and our general concept of what justice is supposed to be) that our leaders allege that we have. Everyone should pay the same percentage of their income PERIOD. That includes earned, capital gains, and passive income; the law is supposed to treat EVERYONE equally. Equality of results is not my idea of moral justice. I suppose that it is for you.
@ScionAscendant It's moral until it effects them, then it becomes immoral, not their fault / creation, etc. Leftism can be defined by having no principles, virtue, integrity. Just be really, really envious, and act on that envy as wildly as you possibly can, and when everything goes disastrously wrong, say it wasn't your fault, or just be quiet and fade into obscurity.
@regresseur The left has no principles, virtue, or integrity? Then why is it that the right seems to be the bunch almost EXCLUSIVELY responsible for all of the oppression, violence, and exploitation in the world these days?
@ScionAscendant Despising the rich isnt justified. But despising the 400 people(the top 1 tenth of a percent) who have corralled more wealth than the 140 million people who work hard every day of their life(and are the life blood of these empires run by the rich) and lead shitty insecure lives until they die is justified. Despising the people who are able to tap into the old boy network in order to rob the public treasury is absolutetly justified.
@jrgray6Tube a lot of people do if you went to anyone of the protests its not hard to see what they are about. but i guess you watched it on tv... so you probly know a lot more than me about it.....
@Rennirt420 What is it about? Do you know? Some of it is about the message on here that this guys was talking about, but a lot of the 99 percent are pissed off that they have to pay back the money they borrowed when it was for stuff they didn't need, like running up debt for flashy new toys. Let's be realistic Occupy Wall Street was hijacked from it real purpose weeks after it started.
Adam is a closet bisexual ,addicted to masternating, huge porn buff and is very willing to cheat on his wife how do I know this I youst to listen to loveline
Capitalism CAN work fine until the rich get too rich. The problem is the acquisition of ownership paper by billionaires consolidated by a small fraction of the human race. Not paper that says I own my houses my cars but YOUR house YOUR life and collect interest and rent. The country now in severe debt, more money is owed to the rich than actually exists and the economy will finally collapse when the rich and everyone else make a run for the stock market to redeem their paper assets for cash.
@MoreGrievances The term "too rich" is entirely subjective and therefore cannot ever be used to make a valid argument. A group of poor people could say the same things about you, but you wouldn't like that, would you? The problem is and always will be government protectionism. All businesses seek to do is satisfy the needs and wants of their customers, that is how they stabilize and grow. But if the govt. is protecting them, they can do virtually anything and never go under.
@regresseur There is no subjectivity in the fact billionaires are way richer than everyone else. Focus on my argument that again, the problem is the acquisition of ownership paper by billionaires. Not paper that says I own my houses my cars but YOUR house YOUR life and collect interest and rent...for eternity.
@MoreGrievances What separates the Wealthy from the Poor? Access to the resources of the world. What is the best way to deal with this? Equalize the access to the world's resources. If any human dares to believe they are superior to the next human and that nature is the governing force, cast them infront of a Tiger or bear completely naked, so they will "Understand" the real meaning of "Nature as a Governing Force"
Most billionaires never even earned their wealth on their own initiative. Inherited or legacy wealth is a head start in the "game" of life the average guy can't compete with.
@MoreGrievances So, you think that you're entitled to make judgements upon whether what anyone inherits is deserved or not? The arrogance of people like you is incredible. How many billionaires have you even met or studied to make this assumption that most of them don't deserve what they inherited? Is it fair to make such judgements about people you don't know? It's merely socially acceptable (quite fashionable on college campuses) to despise the rich now; that doesn't mean it's justified.
@ScionAscendant I would argue $1 million should be the inheritance ceiling and the rest goes to the state. It's the super rich (billionaires not millionaires) is why we are trillions in debt and likely even YOU (up the rich asshole) are in debt $200K even if you have no personal debt of your own.
I recommend watching videos from Youtube channel "FairEconomics" who is an extremely brilliant man.
@MoreGrievances So, you in essence believe that if a consequentialist argument can be made that the taking of your property may be beneficial to others, then government is justified in doing so? An inheritance represents all that was earned throughout a lifetime of income that was already taxed. I'm not for the rich, the poor, or the middle class; I abhor those that believe it's ok to treat people differently under the law based on "class", race, gender, or any other categorization.
@MoreGrievances When money "goes to the state" it goes into the hands of a small group of people. You do realize that "the state" is just an abstraction - an idea - right, and that it's not some perfect benevolent god or something? So you say you don't think people should have immense amounts of money, but yet you're perfectly fine with capping off the max for 99.99% of the population and funneling it into the hands a little group of politicians. That's not ironic or anything...
@regresseur I would also argue there should be an inheritance tax. No more than $2 million per individual. It's the loafing legacy wealther owners who leach off society more than anyone. I can respect billionaires who earned money on their own initiative but not the inherited legacy wealthers, and the majority of billionaires are old money not new money.
@MoreGrievances Why 2 million? Why not have all inheritances be taxed if they are to be taxed at all? Let's be consistent with our morals. A 2 million starting point is totally arbitrary, as government mandates generally are. Profit is an byproduct of newly-created wealth, so long as there is no force, fraud, or perverse incentives created by government mandates/regulations. We need to deal with those perverse incentive structures created by our government's extra-constitutional power brokering.
You couldn't be more biased! Come on! He made a pretty good point.... And I support the Occupy protesters and all, but some of them are hypnotized, brainwashed simpletons. Many though are genuine, intelligent individuals who know there are many things wrong with the current system.
@pistolpete667 "Were these 1% people entitled to these bailouts when they fucked everything up?" - Unions fucked up GM and Dems bailed em out. Dems fucked up Frannie Mae and then bailed them out. Dems and Unions at the heart of OWS. Stop acting like you're not a fucking pawn no matter what side your on.
@StonewallJackson26 no fuck him!!! WHILE HE ENJOYS HIS CAPITALIST DREAMS THOUSANDS HAVE BEEN KILLED FROM AMERICAN IMPERIALIST WARS ABROAD... What a fuckin pro imperialist tool!!!
this video is a typical libtard "breakdown exposee" where he omits a whole bunch of important shit like the main gripe carolla had was that 1% of californias population paying 50% of the taxes and the ows demanding even more from all of us.
Love the Carolla podcast, but he's definitely a bit ignorant. Though watching some of the OWS stuff, it does look like he's right about a a portion of them.
We need to stop assuming that all business is evil. The guys who took the bailouts are scum but they don't represent all of business. We take the power away from the government and give it to the consumer. We need to stop looking for a leader and start taking responsibilities for our own lives.
In Adam's defense, some of what he was saying is true. especially regarding how the younger generation isn't prepared for life and assume that they are "entitled" to something without real, serious hard work. But also, the younger generation is pressured to have all this success before there thirty and it's such an unrealistic notion. Most people don't reach real success until they are 40 or 50 and it's mainly because it's handled better at that age.
96 dislikes is greater than 1%. So much for the 99%.
Cenk, you couldn't be more wrong. "Occupy" is more than Wall Street and it's made up of a bunch of unemployed people whining about income inequality. That includes Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.
Two people talking through themselves. It's not a RICH vs. POOR thing... its a "politically connected vs. the politically unconnected" problem. The issue is.... the YOUNG TURKS actually think there aren't ignorant ass communists riddled amongst the OWS. If you think they're all PRO capitalist / Anti Curropt Govt - Ron Paul types... then he's mistaken.
atom toyota has a talent to irritate. Clean the spittle from the corners of your mouth and get a job. To rant on matters you have no actual understanding of serves no one, least of all yourself.
Mr. Corolla, you are extremely misinformed! To use a sports metaphor for complex economic issues is testament to the fact that you do not know anything! Amazing that idiots get a voice when they spew ugly stupidities.
@Steveraxx Do you really think that because he used sports as a metaphor? No, he was talking about how kids nowadays are all given a trophy, whether they deserve it or not. What Corolla means is that when everyone thinks they're a winner (getting a trophy,) they think that they deserve just as much as those who actually won. The OWS people are the losers who believe they are entitled to something better.
As a full supporter of the campaign to reform finance, to have an ignorant cuss as this toyota fellow arguing in complete error as to the effects/affects of the movement simply because he once had an audience. To use your own suggestion, Mr. Toyota is a foolish fellow to assume that simply because his utterances are given an airing, is to imply that he knows from where he speaks.
As to entitlements, hilarious that you expand the error while not taking pause to the fact that the largest banks received $7,700,000,000,000 as a bailout. Factually the system is stilted in favor of a minority who in no manner have furthered the actions of the majority of the citizens of the United States.
@Steveraxx But the sad thing is, just like the "fat kid" inside them, they are all too lazy to actually get off their ass and win the trophy fair and square. They have to bitch and whine until somebody gives them a handout.
@MrJJsmithy How is it "their" money if they only have access to it due to a system of overprivilege set in place by other rich (mostly white) people before they were even born? No one *earns* a million dollars a year.
Most of the people doing most of the work on this planet don't get paid most of the money -- where did THEIR money go? Stolen by the rich. Socialism is about correcting the balance and investing in the public good.
Adam is a dumbass lol...he still believes in the American Dream because he doesn't get it yet. Like George Carlin once said, it's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe in it.
Gimme a break. Who still believes this classic liberal notion that "if we all worked hard we could all be millionaires by age 25"? Most wealth on this planet is inherited. Do I work 1000 times harder than a person in a sweatshop in China?
And yeah Corolla, that old-timey father and son really looked up to the guy in town with the Rolls Royce... unless that father and son were black, or Aboriginal, or Latino, or (gasp!) a mother and daughter -- then they always knew the game was fixed.
@zammmerjammer dude I get what your saying but they seem to be focusing more on thes country, capitilism in the U.S chinas different. I think they should be protesting whats in the second segment there.I think instead of complaining about making the poor richer and rich poorer, hows about giving a fair chance to the ladies. (and ethnic people)
@MrJJsmithy But if we can see that I enjoy the material wealth I do due to sheer luck of birth and am not some magical genius but am sitting atop a mountain of priviliges set in place by my position on the globe (in contrast to someone born in rural China) why is the same argument not applicable within my society?
Is Adam whatever an idiot? This is who took over Howard ? Wow what a complete idiot? The bankers are ripping of the worlld for ,well since the first bank , and this idiot Adam is talking about al lazy vs hard working? Where is his brain? Ofcorse the guy who works harder is going to have more, but what's bean happening since time began,because of greedy human nature, there will always be some one who will figure out a way to cheat,it has nothing to do with hard work,unles you count working hard
Carolla's fault lies in assuming that OWS is anti-rich, when it's actually anti-corruption. His fault also lies in his belief that all rich people only became rich through working hard and hence deserve their wealth - which is also not true.
@Saaduk92 square out your message then. 'The 1 percent' sounds pretty generalizing, there's people who deserve their wealth in there and others who don't. And you seem to be against all of them.
The "one percent" is supposed to represent the group of people that those who caused the problems belong in. To boot, that group is still getting richer whilst the rest gets poorer.
It's not supposed to be against everyone. There's organisations out there, like "We are the 1 percent: We stand with the 99 percent", who support the movement despite belonging to the 1 percent.
@Saaduk92 My friend knows him and said he is a corporate puppet and thats why said all this. He lost a huge fanbase and he's really not very funny anyway.
@Saaduk92 OWS's fault lies in having one hundred reasons about why they are protesting. Whether you think so or not, I have read many many reasons why they are protesting. You know what? Corolla makes a lot of great points and he doesn't hide behind a crowd to make his point. He didn't say this so that everyone would side with him, unlike your comment that is completely vague.
On the multitude of reasons, I agree. The media and the population have a short enough attention span that only one message can successfully resonate at a time. I agree with them, but that is likely to be their downfall.
In regards to my comment, how is it vague? His argument relied on two false premises, and I noted that those two premises were completely full of shit.
@Saaduk92 if you are wealthy, by definition, you busted your ass (or someone busted their ass and passed their wealth to you). the notion that wealthy people are not hard workers is marxist trash
If "someone busted their ass and passed their wealth on to you" then, by definition, said person who received all that money for doing nothing does NOT deserve it.
This notion that everyone who is rich only became so by working hard is naive nonsense.
@Saaduk92 the point is that large amounts of wealth are directly correlated with large amounts of real value offered, in general. so condemning the wealthy is condemning productive, valuable activity. someone worked hard to produce the wealth through offering value to the community. someone busted their ass. their decision to pass on the wealth is irrelevant. so once again, hard work is correlated with wealth and so the OWS movement is against hard work, innovation and initiative.
@Saaduk92 Thata all you OWS assholes are screaming... HATE THE RICH. kill the rich, kill all jews.. This is what you people are screaming, You assholes OWS, but dont occupy George Soros companies, Warren Buffet companies, or places like solyndra "the Obama corrupt business plan".. There is no hidding what you people are really preparing for... Dumb ass.
@Saaduk92 Google is your friend.. Do the research. O.k maybe 1% of you are really taken the streets for anti-banking and wallstreet, but the 99% are thugs, criminals, rapist, murders, and spoiled little fucking college punks who are being paid by SEIU and the left to push the Obama agenda. FOOL
Indeed it is, but clearly you haven't been using it.
Look up "Police Statistics: NYC Crime Rates Stayed Flat in 2011". In comparison to a year ago, crime in New York went down by 0.8%.
If OWS was really full of criminals then it would have easily skyrocketed, as tens of thousands have participated so far! Then again, I doubt you bothered to think this through and took the word of certain propaganda outlets.
@Saaduk92 in denial, a typical Obama slave, not truth just spin. What does Newyorks crime rate have to do with the FACTS of OWS all over the country, I thought you assholes were global. What propaganda outlets? 99% of you never filed for any permits, 99% of you were thought to be EDUCATED college grads, you assholes never even thought of permits when you shit-spit-pissed and raped in public parks-streets-and other facilities. Go home. Take a bath and shoot yourselfs.
2) I shows you statistics which countered your claim that 99% of Occupy Wall Street is full of criminals. All you're doing now is repeating yourself despite the statistics showing that you're spewing bullshit.
There's yet to be a single conclusive occurrence where murder and/or rape has taken place specifically due to OWS. People have attempted to associate murders and rapes in nearby areas to them, but nothing's been proven to be the fault of the movement itself.
@Saaduk92 still a typical obama slave. No truth just lies. OWS protesters were in a tint raping women, then you assholes had SEIU trying to hide-cover- and dodge these facts.. You Obama servants are more worried about the next handout then worring about JOBS.. Its O.K the American people out number you punks and Obama slaves. November 2012 this will all be a bad dream.
As mentioned before, look up "Police Statistics: NYC Crime Rates Stayed Flat in 2011". Crime went down in NYC. If the thousands of people in OWS were committing crime then it would have spiked. It didn't.
@Saaduk92 Once again you are speaking with Obama's nuts in your mouth. OWS is NOT JUST IN NEWYORK you fucking idiot. I will be more than happy to teach you like a little kid and help you learn the facts. You are spewing back what you heard from a left-wing Obama ass sniffing network that has lost its place in the media, they make the path they feel fit to brainwash a fool like yourself. Crime rate in newyork has NOTHING to do with OWS, NOTHING you poor fool. Go take a bath.
@Saaduk92 your still spinning what I said, MSNBC has taught you well. I never said crime has nothing to do with OWS, I said the crime rate of "NEW YORK" whether its 0% or 99% it has nothing to do with the FACTS that OWS protesters were arrested for Murder, and Rape.. Once again for the lower learing as yourself OWS is NOT JUST IN NEWYORK. Its clear you are a prime example of OWS-Obama servants..Good luck in life.
Another example of when trying to identify with a group of people you are not apart of goes wrong. Its not called occupy rich people, its called occupy WALL ST. Corporations are NOT people. then he had the nerve to touch on entitlement when apparently he doesn't know who the biggest recipients of them are....WAKE UP ADAM
@partyman10226 You are a fucking idiot. When two guys go to the store and one dude knows his buddy is going to STEAL, and they both get caught.. they both need two go to JAIl..
OWS are collectivist trash whose goal is the theft of the results of the productive efforts of others. They don't want equal opportunity they want equal outcome.
Let me explain Adams POV, Adam is stating the protesters are made up of the generation that are whiners/Self entitled also overlaps into the OWS group, the demographic is what he cannot tolerate. Listen carefully to what he is saying.
THIS IS FOR ADAM CAROLLA. FUCK OFF ASSHOLE. YOUR WASHED UP, AND NOW YOU WANT TO STEP INTO THE LIME LIGHT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT. SO FROM ME TO YOU GO FUCK YOUR MOTHER. YOU FUCKING PIECE SHIT. EAT A HUGE DICK AND CHOKE ON IT. YOUR WASHED UP.
I'm with Carolla: The primary outrage regarding OWS has to do with a very small number of super-corrupt dudes --but who do they go and harrass? The more average traders and bankers who have to go bust their ass every day like everybody else, and who've earned lots of money doing it. But those with ill gotten gains are SO rich and SO small a minority, that protesters will probably never meet one. So, hey, let's go beat on this guy -- he drives a nice car and wears a suit and works on Wall Street.
jaggdd 2 days ago
Carolla was never that funny, it'll be easy to boycott this ignorant dick.
Freeway74 3 days ago
Everyone in a Rolls-Royce isn't a criminal.
Gradivus75 1 week ago
You really can't have a reasonable conversation about OWS, because they are so disorganized, so many people want different things, so how can you talk about whether they are right or wrong?
Cause the stuff Cenk is arguing for isn't necessarily the stuff the OWS people are talking about.
And the peopel Adam Carolla is talking about exist in large numbers, but it's not the whole movement.
heatbucspies55 1 week ago
Adam corolla hit the mail on the head. This generation has a "self entitlement" culture. Im not saying there's not greed in our country im just saying alot of people feel owed something rather than bust their ass and work for it. Jmho tho..
rdean45acp 2 weeks ago
Adam Carolla is a fucking douchebag.
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Caublasian1 3 weeks ago
Why can't people understand that this movement isn't about money? It's about much more than that! It's about injustice and greed! Ever wondered why we don't have free universal health care? It's BECAUSE of large corporations throwing money at people to ensure that system is never implemented. To know countless people die because of this is just downright SICKENING. We need a system in which we're represented without any outside.... influence? (MONEY). This has gone too far.
rminitials 3 weeks ago
@rminitials There's no such thing as a free good. It doesn't exist. You want it to be paid for by the rich. At least be honest about what you advocate. And "countless people" die in countries with or without "free" healthcare. Living has a 100% mortality rate it turns out. Their healthcare systems are also generally inferior to ours in terms of quality. People often die or worsen while waiting for an operation/procedure. Happenstance you think? Look a little closer at the facts if you think so.
ScionAscendant 3 weeks ago
@ScionAscendant
1- Who said ANYTHING about having the rich pay for it? See.. you need to understand that, the true American foundation isn't looking for a handout. We're not! We demand a level playing field. Where everyone and anyone plays by the same rules. That includes NOT being able to purchase our politicians. They wanna make ridiculous salaries a year? LET THEM. That's capitalism. However what they're DOING with the money is downright illegal and extremely immoral.
rminitials 3 weeks ago
@rminitials When a government has the power to essentially decide what businesses shall prosper (government contracts, subsidies, regulations that stifle the growth of new competitors, tariffs to protect them from foreign competition) and which shall not, what other outcome is there but for those who have no scruples in buying and selling government favors to benefit? It's a totally perverse incentive-structure; one in which the best manipulators and slicksters profit, not the industrious.
ScionAscendant 3 weeks ago
@ScionAscendant
2- Furthermore... their "bailout" plan cost us a ton of money and though we didn't get it back, they PROFITED off of it. Keep in mind, this is all going on while people are being evicted from their homes. Capitalism is a great system, but we need to control it somehow. Until then, we're never going to progress the way our forefathers intended.
rminitials 3 weeks ago
@rminitials So, you believe that special treatment towards businessmen with political clout constitutes capitalism as usual? Not in the slightest. If you're going to chide capitalism, or outright condemn it as others do, you would be well served to know what it actually is first. Also, you condemn those who buy political influence, yet you let slide those who sell it. They're the problem. Limitations on government power have been eroded for over two hundred years running, what did you expect?
ScionAscendant 3 weeks ago
@ScionAscendant
"Also, you condemn those who buy political influence, yet you let slide those who sell it."
This is huge part of what this movement is about. We can't stop those that have power by simply calling them and asking them to please play fair. I personally am all for Capitalism. It's a great system that promotes a healthy lifestyle, as well as innovation. Like you said, the problem lies with those that feel it's okay to purchase our voice. They're the problem.
rminitials 3 weeks ago
@rminitials And how do we go about it? I've yet to hear any compelling thoughts on that point from any member of OWS that I've spoken to in person, or heard speaking in general. It's just sloganized thought as always it seems. Such things as, "we need a system that's not based on greed." says nothing, in fact, it says less than nothing, because it confuses the uninitiated into believing that greed in and of itself is the problem, which it is not. Greed is a natural human characteristic.
ScionAscendant 3 weeks ago
@ScionAscendant "Greed is a natural human characteristic." Murder is also a natural human characteristic. Doesn't make it benign though. "I've yet to hear any compelling thoughts on that point from any member of OWS..." Well the bedrock of the revolutionary left in the U.S. has been crumbling for so long that I can't blame people for not having the answers. This is just a beginning. I think you'll agree that things had been, politically speaking, stagnant for the past 50 years.
HardHouseMusic4Me 2 weeks ago
@HardHouseMusic4Me Greed is a form of desire; murder is an act. While I know that you're aware of that distinction, most people who throw that word around conflate the desire to profit by providing a good or service with the willingness to step over corpses to get money in any way that one can. Madoff was "greedy", but what's important is that he was willing to defraud others to fufill his "greed".
ScionAscendant 2 weeks ago
@ScionAscendant I'm not so sure about the distinction you're bringing up between an act and desire, for is desire itself not a willful act? Also I would like to differentiate between self interest and greed. I think what you're describing with the goods and services argument is different. Someone needs something, I sell it to them, I can then support myself. Now that, to me, seems more like self interest rather than greed. Greed seems more pathological than that.
HardHouseMusic4Me 2 weeks ago
@rminitials I say that lack of education in economics is one of the huge problems facing us as a nation, as well as too much trust placed in our government; as little as it is lately, it's still too much. We need an electorate that is generally suspicious and critical of government, otherwise it will succeed in fooling and robbing large numbers of people of their wealth for the benefit of it and it's cronies. Power will always be misused if it can be gotten away with; especially government power
ScionAscendant 3 weeks ago
@ScionAscendant "Suspicious and critical of government," I would go one step further and suggest that each individual citizen should be much more involved in the political process. I think you would agree. The American public has been so completely atomized and marginalized. Suspicion concerning the government is useless unless the people are more united in their common struggle. "Power will always be misused... Especially government power," economic power can be quite nasty too.
HardHouseMusic4Me 2 weeks ago
@HardHouseMusic4Me Sure, I agree that economic power can be very harmful. However, I disagree vehemently with the notion that "regulating" it (i.e. centralizing it, to a greater or lesser extent) makes it any less so, even if we assumed that those in government had nothing but the best intentions (hint: they don't). Being united is a double edged sword. Being united in being wrong is not a good thing.
ScionAscendant 2 weeks ago
@ScionAscendant "Being united in being wrong is not a good thing." Not being united at all is worse, I should think. Decentralize economic power and you don't have any balance. There's a reason we have the judiciary, the legislature, and executive branches. Something has to be there in order to balance the power. If we can get to the moon and send satellites into deep space, we should be able to control more fundamental human concerns, like wealth and power distribution.
HardHouseMusic4Me 2 weeks ago
@HardHouseMusic4Me Define "balance" for me please. What, specifically, do you mean by balance? "Decentralize economic power and you don't have any balance." Why should that be a problem? Balance for what? Most importantly; balance for whom? To whom does an economy belong? Of what does an economy consist? My understanding of an economy is that it is an aggregate; it consists of the disparate desires, goods, and values of all of those who are part of it; it's not a tool for anyone's sole ends.
ScionAscendant 1 week ago
@ScionAscendant Balance here would mean that no one person would have too much influence over other people's lives.. It's just an anti-monopoly, anti-hierarchy sentiment. Balance for the sake of the society itself. Like you said, the market is supposed to be representative of the aggregate needs of the people; however, it's not consumers who create the new toys we buy, it's industry. So insofar as industry affects innovation, the market represents what they're willing to sell.
HardHouseMusic4Me 1 week ago
@rminitials This theft of wealth has been going on for much longer and on an immensely greater scale than merely the bailouts of recent times; this was a drop in the bucket. The only reason so many people are angry is because in this case it's easy to see that we've been robbed. The dangers and theft of wealth brought about by a fiat currency, fractional reserve banking, and the Federal Reserve are much subtle and difficult to grasp without some economic education.
ScionAscendant 3 weeks ago
@ScionAscendant I don't exactly see how fractional reserve banking is associated with wealth extraction. I've got problems with the gold standard, it places limitations on the economy which can be circumvented by a fiat currency, although that has it's problems as well. As for the FED: there has to be some sort of governing body that decides how much money to circulate, how to regulate other institutions, etc. Abolish the fed, then what?
HardHouseMusic4Me 2 weeks ago
@HardHouseMusic4Me Of course the gold standard has inherent problems; any system does, and anyone that tells you differently is either being disingenous or is very young and naive. The only reason that I am in favor of the gold standard is that it helps prevent the government from stealing our wealth by taxing us via running the presses to save itself from it's own lack of fiscal responsibility. In the words of Ayn Rand; "It's to keep the looter's hands off of your savings."
ScionAscendant 1 week ago
@ScionAscendant Well somebody has to decide at what ratio gold will be exchanged for dollars. The government is still going to do the accounting. Who would you propose to undertake this task? Also, growth means more money, more money means more printing. Again, somebody still has to decide how much and at what rate gold will be accumulated. As for all this Ayn Rand stuff, I get the whole, "Hymn to money," type stuff. We just need to think further than that.
HardHouseMusic4Me 1 week ago
@HardHouseMusic4Me The Federal Reserve is not the U.S. Treasury; you seem to be confusing the two. As far as your argument against people having "influence" over our lives; that's an inevitability in any system. The only alternative we have is whether those influences be diffuse or concentrated, and whether they have a badge and a gun behind them. Monopolies and cartels have shown themselves time and again to be unable to cope with open markets. Government is unnecessary in that regard.
ScionAscendant 1 week ago
@ScionAscendant The federal reserve also doesn't print any money. I think you got that mixed up a bit. You see, the various reserve banks make orders for money, the federal reserve receives these orders, and if it doesn't have enough cold hard cash at hand, it calls up the treasury and tells them to start the presses. The point is that the treasury has ultimate control over the printing of money
HardHouseMusic4Me 1 week ago
@ScionAscendant Why should it be an inevitability that others will have undue influence over our lives. It's not set in stone that things will necessarily work out that way. You'll never have a market free of non-capital influence. Why should some billionaire's decision to buy up a company or sell short all his stock effect me the way it does. No, that kind of system is too contingent.
HardHouseMusic4Me 1 week ago
@HardHouseMusic4Me I didn't say "undue" influence. Whether an influence is undue or not is a matter of opinion, and gives us no principle by which we can make laws so as to structure our society. Actions of one will always affect another in a market (society in general as well). That is an inevitability. The best thing I could suggest in order to rid oneself of that influence is to be as little a participant in that market as possible (grow your own food, live off the grid, etc.etc.).
ScionAscendant 1 week ago
@ScionAscendant Okay, let's say that there is a single individual on this planet smarter and more capable than any other human being. Let's say that this is objective fact, no one can dispute it. Would that justify his influence over the world? No I don't think so. Even if they're the most qualified people on the planet, objectively better than me in every way, business execs have no right to affect our collective the way that they do. Too much power in too few hands.
HardHouseMusic4Me 1 week ago
@ScionAscendant Again, the fact of the matter is that you can go full out Darwinian and say that the rich and powerful deserve it, they're better, etc. etc. and I still don't think that would justify the structure that we have. I just don't want a class of owners, a class of borrowers, and a class of those who have been completely left out. Our subjectivity allows us to transcend our base desires, let's not be slaves to ideology.
HardHouseMusic4Me 1 week ago
the OWS punks paid 7 trillion in taxes?WTF,their a bunch of whiney little jackoffs,they don't pay ANY taxes.
rw5791 4 weeks ago
@rw5791 What are you basing that on, exactly? The Occupy movement is made up of working class stiffs. Maybe you should actually FOLLOW THE NEWS (preferably not from Fox, which is well known for making things up).
BoredomCorner 3 weeks ago
@BoredomCorner working class stiffs were the men who came back from fighting the japs and started families and worked in the auto plants and steel mills.
These punks at OWS are nothing but sniveling masturbaters who wouldn't know a days work from their ass.
rw5791 3 weeks ago
@rw5791
and I notice you aren't criticizing the bankers. Now why is that? You are clueless about OWS.
PatriotsDomain 3 weeks ago
@PatriotsDomain "clueless about OWS"?
quite the contrary.I know exactly who these little punks are.
rw5791 3 weeks ago
@rw5791
"punks"= people who want freedom. You know nothing about this movement.
PatriotsDomain 3 weeks ago
@PatriotsDomain go suck che guevarra ,punk. You ain't takin' my freedom away.in the USA.
rw5791 3 weeks ago
@rw5791
and YOU wont take away MY freedom, you corporate whore.
PatriotsDomain 3 weeks ago
@PatriotsDomain God.I'd like to beat some fucking sense into you punks.
rw5791 3 weeks ago
@rw5791
go for it, tough guy. I live in Albany, NY. Come up for a visit.
PatriotsDomain 3 weeks ago
@PatriotsDomain I'd bash your freak head in with a baseball bat but it's not even necessary because you're a loser. Now and for the rest of your life u will always be....................a big freakin' loser.
rw5791 3 weeks ago
@rw5791
yeah talk tough, but we both know you wont step foot in my town. Coward.
PatriotsDomain 3 weeks ago
@PatriotsDomain L-O-S-E-R
rw5791 3 weeks ago
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PatriotsDomain 3 weeks ago
@rw5791 <-------cop who enjoys getting reamed by strangers in public
PatriotsDomain 3 weeks ago
@PatriotsDomain <-----GOT HIS FACE SLAPPED BY MY FAT DICK.
rw5791 3 weeks ago
@rw5791
how old are you? Grow up.
PatriotsDomain 3 weeks ago
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Adam Corolla didn't receive his h.s. diploma until he was in his forties and he briefly attended Los Angeles Valley College, a community college, where he was placed on academic probation before dropping out; and it SO shows!
If you are familiar with red herrings, straw men, ad homs, etc. you will notice that that is almost the exclusive content of his statements here.
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Those people occupying on wall street do seem kind of whiny.
bowser5295 1 month ago
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Those people occupying on wall street do seem kind of whiny.
bowser5295 1 month ago
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Those people occupying on wall street do seem kind of whiny.
bowser5295 1 month ago
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Those people occupying on wall street do seem kind of whiny.
bowser5295 1 month ago
Those people occupying on wall street do seem kind of whiny.
bowser5295 1 month ago
These same conservative closet racist type ass holes such as corolla said thing much similar to this about those who participated in sit ins in the 1960's. Look at hoe badly they lost that argumnet. Im glad those racist ignorant pieces of garbage now have to drink from the same water fountains and use the same restaurants, and restrooms, as the rest of us.
QCREIGN 1 month ago
@QCREIGN This isn't a race issue. It's a class super rich BILLIONAIRES vs the rest of us issue. Currently just 8,000 households take in as much wealth as $70 million Americans which is a destructive and unsustainable equation. Why? Democracy has turned into a MONARCHY and a revolution is the only answer to stopping the collapse of our economy.
MoreGrievances 1 month ago 2
@QCREIGN Why do liberals always accuse people of racism when they disagree on something? I might disagree with on some things, but I wouldn't accuse you of racism unless you did or said something racist. Adam did neither. Disagree with him as much as you want, but stop with the racism nonsense.
12Jeffries 1 month ago
@leadpndguitar You are in essence right the government did fuck it up. But the top .01% own the government. If you dont agree google jack abramoff....he was a lobbyist who went to prison because of a bribery scandal.
QCREIGN 1 month ago
@ScionAscendant The inheritance tax used to be much much greater than it is now and the rich still seemed to get along just fine.
QCREIGN 1 month ago
@QCREIGN It's not about whether the rich or anyone else is "just fine" or not. This isn't about the welfare of any group. It's about the rule of law (and our general concept of what justice is supposed to be) that our leaders allege that we have. Everyone should pay the same percentage of their income PERIOD. That includes earned, capital gains, and passive income; the law is supposed to treat EVERYONE equally. Equality of results is not my idea of moral justice. I suppose that it is for you.
ScionAscendant 1 month ago
@ScionAscendant It's moral until it effects them, then it becomes immoral, not their fault / creation, etc. Leftism can be defined by having no principles, virtue, integrity. Just be really, really envious, and act on that envy as wildly as you possibly can, and when everything goes disastrously wrong, say it wasn't your fault, or just be quiet and fade into obscurity.
regresseur 1 month ago
@regresseur The left has no principles, virtue, or integrity? Then why is it that the right seems to be the bunch almost EXCLUSIVELY responsible for all of the oppression, violence, and exploitation in the world these days?
BoredomCorner 3 weeks ago
@ScionAscendant Despising the rich isnt justified. But despising the 400 people(the top 1 tenth of a percent) who have corralled more wealth than the 140 million people who work hard every day of their life(and are the life blood of these empires run by the rich) and lead shitty insecure lives until they die is justified. Despising the people who are able to tap into the old boy network in order to rob the public treasury is absolutetly justified.
QCREIGN 1 month ago
Cenk, how does camping on public property as speech, any different than money as speech?
acousticfreeze1 1 month ago
He is right! Period.
Albee98188 1 month ago
i like Adam but he just dont get what OWS is about.
Rennirt420 1 month ago 4
@Rennirt420 no one does
jrgray6Tube 1 month ago
@jrgray6Tube a lot of people do if you went to anyone of the protests its not hard to see what they are about. but i guess you watched it on tv... so you probly know a lot more than me about it.....
Rennirt420 1 month ago
@Rennirt420 What is it about? Do you know? Some of it is about the message on here that this guys was talking about, but a lot of the 99 percent are pissed off that they have to pay back the money they borrowed when it was for stuff they didn't need, like running up debt for flashy new toys. Let's be realistic Occupy Wall Street was hijacked from it real purpose weeks after it started.
Darkeklaw 3 weeks ago
Adam is a closet bisexual ,addicted to masternating, huge porn buff and is very willing to cheat on his wife how do I know this I youst to listen to loveline
2fast4love69guy 1 month ago
TYT, nazi lying media gatekeepers at it again.
RevelationMedia777 1 month ago
Capitalism CAN work fine until the rich get too rich. The problem is the acquisition of ownership paper by billionaires consolidated by a small fraction of the human race. Not paper that says I own my houses my cars but YOUR house YOUR life and collect interest and rent. The country now in severe debt, more money is owed to the rich than actually exists and the economy will finally collapse when the rich and everyone else make a run for the stock market to redeem their paper assets for cash.
MoreGrievances 1 month ago 9
@MoreGrievances The term "too rich" is entirely subjective and therefore cannot ever be used to make a valid argument. A group of poor people could say the same things about you, but you wouldn't like that, would you? The problem is and always will be government protectionism. All businesses seek to do is satisfy the needs and wants of their customers, that is how they stabilize and grow. But if the govt. is protecting them, they can do virtually anything and never go under.
regresseur 1 month ago
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@regresseur There is no subjectivity in the fact billionaires are way richer than everyone else. Focus on my argument that again, the problem is the acquisition of ownership paper by billionaires. Not paper that says I own my houses my cars but YOUR house YOUR life and collect interest and rent...for eternity.
MoreGrievances 1 month ago 2
@MoreGrievances What separates the Wealthy from the Poor? Access to the resources of the world. What is the best way to deal with this? Equalize the access to the world's resources. If any human dares to believe they are superior to the next human and that nature is the governing force, cast them infront of a Tiger or bear completely naked, so they will "Understand" the real meaning of "Nature as a Governing Force"
EasternMerchant 3 weeks ago
Most billionaires never even earned their wealth on their own initiative. Inherited or legacy wealth is a head start in the "game" of life the average guy can't compete with.
MoreGrievances 1 month ago 3
@MoreGrievances So, you think that you're entitled to make judgements upon whether what anyone inherits is deserved or not? The arrogance of people like you is incredible. How many billionaires have you even met or studied to make this assumption that most of them don't deserve what they inherited? Is it fair to make such judgements about people you don't know? It's merely socially acceptable (quite fashionable on college campuses) to despise the rich now; that doesn't mean it's justified.
ScionAscendant 1 month ago
@ScionAscendant I would argue $1 million should be the inheritance ceiling and the rest goes to the state. It's the super rich (billionaires not millionaires) is why we are trillions in debt and likely even YOU (up the rich asshole) are in debt $200K even if you have no personal debt of your own.
I recommend watching videos from Youtube channel "FairEconomics" who is an extremely brilliant man.
MoreGrievances 1 month ago 3
@MoreGrievances So, you in essence believe that if a consequentialist argument can be made that the taking of your property may be beneficial to others, then government is justified in doing so? An inheritance represents all that was earned throughout a lifetime of income that was already taxed. I'm not for the rich, the poor, or the middle class; I abhor those that believe it's ok to treat people differently under the law based on "class", race, gender, or any other categorization.
ScionAscendant 1 month ago
@MoreGrievances When money "goes to the state" it goes into the hands of a small group of people. You do realize that "the state" is just an abstraction - an idea - right, and that it's not some perfect benevolent god or something? So you say you don't think people should have immense amounts of money, but yet you're perfectly fine with capping off the max for 99.99% of the population and funneling it into the hands a little group of politicians. That's not ironic or anything...
regresseur 1 month ago
@regresseur I would also argue there should be an inheritance tax. No more than $2 million per individual. It's the loafing legacy wealther owners who leach off society more than anyone. I can respect billionaires who earned money on their own initiative but not the inherited legacy wealthers, and the majority of billionaires are old money not new money.
MoreGrievances 1 month ago
@MoreGrievances Why 2 million? Why not have all inheritances be taxed if they are to be taxed at all? Let's be consistent with our morals. A 2 million starting point is totally arbitrary, as government mandates generally are. Profit is an byproduct of newly-created wealth, so long as there is no force, fraud, or perverse incentives created by government mandates/regulations. We need to deal with those perverse incentive structures created by our government's extra-constitutional power brokering.
ScionAscendant 4 weeks ago
You couldn't be more biased! Come on! He made a pretty good point.... And I support the Occupy protesters and all, but some of them are hypnotized, brainwashed simpletons. Many though are genuine, intelligent individuals who know there are many things wrong with the current system.
BenjaminIsRight 1 month ago
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Jioxer 1 month ago
I'm part of the one 1%
ThePigBlimp 1 month ago
I am a fan of Adam Carolla.. but when it comes to this. He is a complete dumbass. I am kinda disappointed.
itsmarkwtf 1 month ago
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WHO LET THESE FUCKIN SAND NIGGERS INTO AMERICA? THEY SHOULD HAVE THERE THROATS CUT IN THE STREET.
TheChucky4664 1 month ago
Were these 1% people entitled to these bailouts when they fucked everything up?
pistolpete667 1 month ago
@pistolpete667 It wasn't the "1%" it was the government that fucked everything up.
leadpndguitar 1 month ago
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@pistolpete667 "Were these 1% people entitled to these bailouts when they fucked everything up?" - Unions fucked up GM and Dems bailed em out. Dems fucked up Frannie Mae and then bailed them out. Dems and Unions at the heart of OWS. Stop acting like you're not a fucking pawn no matter what side your on.
FavreianVengeance 1 month ago
Carolla speaks the truth
StonewallJackson26 1 month ago
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@StonewallJackson26 Did you not listen to a word in this video you brain dead fuck!?
Jioxer 1 month ago
@StonewallJackson26 no fuck him!!! WHILE HE ENJOYS HIS CAPITALIST DREAMS THOUSANDS HAVE BEEN KILLED FROM AMERICAN IMPERIALIST WARS ABROAD... What a fuckin pro imperialist tool!!!
SilverNrGy985 1 month ago
@SilverNrGy985 Yah! For American Imperialism
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HELP ME HELP YOU , IF MY VIDEOS GO VIRAL ON YOUTUBE: PATRICK1678 WE ALL WIN !!! BYPASS THE NEWS MEDIA, THEY LIE ANYWAY, I HAVE THAT PROOF ALSO !
Patrick1678 1 month ago
Adam Corolla hit the nail on the head. I am so glad that what he has said is in line with the majority of Americans.
Occupy is a fail.
ladylordess 1 month ago
@ladylordess Yup! Just think of all tax money thats been wasted tending to these losers.
stlB420 1 month ago
THEYOUNGTURK said it all! That is what happEned he has done his homework.
jasekable 1 month ago
Adam Carolla, proof that not all atheist are intelligent.
InvisibleDiary 1 month ago
this video is a typical libtard "breakdown exposee" where he omits a whole bunch of important shit like the main gripe carolla had was that 1% of californias population paying 50% of the taxes and the ows demanding even more from all of us.
adolfarrakahane 1 month ago
Occupy Wallstreet Stats..
Murders 4
Rapes 11
Tea Party Rally stats...
Murder 0
Rape 0
NOBAMA 2012
truth2honor1 1 month ago
Love the Carolla podcast, but he's definitely a bit ignorant. Though watching some of the OWS stuff, it does look like he's right about a a portion of them.
fatkat444 1 month ago
We need to stop assuming that all business is evil. The guys who took the bailouts are scum but they don't represent all of business. We take the power away from the government and give it to the consumer. We need to stop looking for a leader and start taking responsibilities for our own lives.
ferntheflower 1 month ago
@ferntheflower This is what you get when the people vote someone like Obama in office, Leaches, takers.. Not producers.
NOBAMA 2012
truth2honor1 1 month ago
In Adam's defense, some of what he was saying is true. especially regarding how the younger generation isn't prepared for life and assume that they are "entitled" to something without real, serious hard work. But also, the younger generation is pressured to have all this success before there thirty and it's such an unrealistic notion. Most people don't reach real success until they are 40 or 50 and it's mainly because it's handled better at that age.
Zuckerberg is going to crack soon.
92680BOYD 1 month ago
If the "Young Turk" wasn't STUPID, he would know that this rant preceded the Occupy Wall Street fiasco. Nice fact checking, jackass.
LucisFerre1 1 month ago
they didn't work for shit they got bailed out the sad part is we got sold outf*** adam
shookchris 1 month ago
96 dislikes is greater than 1%. So much for the 99%.
Cenk, you couldn't be more wrong. "Occupy" is more than Wall Street and it's made up of a bunch of unemployed people whining about income inequality. That includes Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.
ace11rothstein 1 month ago
Two people talking through themselves. It's not a RICH vs. POOR thing... its a "politically connected vs. the politically unconnected" problem. The issue is.... the YOUNG TURKS actually think there aren't ignorant ass communists riddled amongst the OWS. If you think they're all PRO capitalist / Anti Curropt Govt - Ron Paul types... then he's mistaken.
RickJMedeiros 1 month ago
atom toyota has a talent to irritate. Clean the spittle from the corners of your mouth and get a job. To rant on matters you have no actual understanding of serves no one, least of all yourself.
Steveraxx 1 month ago
What the fuck is up with the views on this video!!? 45373 and im counting now!
Jioxer 2 months ago
Mr. Corolla, you are extremely misinformed! To use a sports metaphor for complex economic issues is testament to the fact that you do not know anything! Amazing that idiots get a voice when they spew ugly stupidities.
Steveraxx 2 months ago
@Steveraxx Do you really think that because he used sports as a metaphor? No, he was talking about how kids nowadays are all given a trophy, whether they deserve it or not. What Corolla means is that when everyone thinks they're a winner (getting a trophy,) they think that they deserve just as much as those who actually won. The OWS people are the losers who believe they are entitled to something better.
LuneyTune72 1 month ago
As a full supporter of the campaign to reform finance, to have an ignorant cuss as this toyota fellow arguing in complete error as to the effects/affects of the movement simply because he once had an audience. To use your own suggestion, Mr. Toyota is a foolish fellow to assume that simply because his utterances are given an airing, is to imply that he knows from where he speaks.
Steveraxx 1 month ago
As to entitlements, hilarious that you expand the error while not taking pause to the fact that the largest banks received $7,700,000,000,000 as a bailout. Factually the system is stilted in favor of a minority who in no manner have furthered the actions of the majority of the citizens of the United States.
Steveraxx 1 month ago
@Steveraxx But the sad thing is, just like the "fat kid" inside them, they are all too lazy to actually get off their ass and win the trophy fair and square. They have to bitch and whine until somebody gives them a handout.
LuneyTune72 1 month ago
If they "dont want their money" then what the fuck is socialism? Oh yeah taxing the richer people more so the poorer people get THEIR MONEY
MrJJsmithy 2 months ago
@MrJJsmithy How is it "their" money if they only have access to it due to a system of overprivilege set in place by other rich (mostly white) people before they were even born? No one *earns* a million dollars a year.
Most of the people doing most of the work on this planet don't get paid most of the money -- where did THEIR money go? Stolen by the rich. Socialism is about correcting the balance and investing in the public good.
zammmerjammer 2 months ago
Adam is a dumbass lol...he still believes in the American Dream because he doesn't get it yet. Like George Carlin once said, it's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe in it.
Youtubian1790 2 months ago
Gimme a break. Who still believes this classic liberal notion that "if we all worked hard we could all be millionaires by age 25"? Most wealth on this planet is inherited. Do I work 1000 times harder than a person in a sweatshop in China?
And yeah Corolla, that old-timey father and son really looked up to the guy in town with the Rolls Royce... unless that father and son were black, or Aboriginal, or Latino, or (gasp!) a mother and daughter -- then they always knew the game was fixed.
zammmerjammer 2 months ago
@zammmerjammer dude I get what your saying but they seem to be focusing more on thes country, capitilism in the U.S chinas different. I think they should be protesting whats in the second segment there.I think instead of complaining about making the poor richer and rich poorer, hows about giving a fair chance to the ladies. (and ethnic people)
MrJJsmithy 2 months ago
@MrJJsmithy But if we can see that I enjoy the material wealth I do due to sheer luck of birth and am not some magical genius but am sitting atop a mountain of priviliges set in place by my position on the globe (in contrast to someone born in rural China) why is the same argument not applicable within my society?
zammmerjammer 2 months ago
Word..
cheechanchux 2 months ago
Wow, Carolla's ignorant as shit isn't he? Get your head out of your ass, stupid.
ridewave444 2 months ago 12
Is Adam whatever an idiot? This is who took over Howard ? Wow what a complete idiot? The bankers are ripping of the worlld for ,well since the first bank , and this idiot Adam is talking about al lazy vs hard working? Where is his brain? Ofcorse the guy who works harder is going to have more, but what's bean happening since time began,because of greedy human nature, there will always be some one who will figure out a way to cheat,it has nothing to do with hard work,unles you count working hard
jtalada 2 months ago 2
This should have more views! Its fucking bullshit!
Jioxer 2 months ago
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ChuckNICE143 2 months ago
Carolla's fault lies in assuming that OWS is anti-rich, when it's actually anti-corruption. His fault also lies in his belief that all rich people only became rich through working hard and hence deserve their wealth - which is also not true.
Saaduk92 2 months ago 18
@Saaduk92 square out your message then. 'The 1 percent' sounds pretty generalizing, there's people who deserve their wealth in there and others who don't. And you seem to be against all of them.
semperFi4ever100 2 months ago
@semperFi4ever100
The "one percent" is supposed to represent the group of people that those who caused the problems belong in. To boot, that group is still getting richer whilst the rest gets poorer.
It's not supposed to be against everyone. There's organisations out there, like "We are the 1 percent: We stand with the 99 percent", who support the movement despite belonging to the 1 percent.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
@Saaduk92 My friend knows him and said he is a corporate puppet and thats why said all this. He lost a huge fanbase and he's really not very funny anyway.
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huntingtonbeachify 2 months ago
@Saaduk92 OWS's fault lies in having one hundred reasons about why they are protesting. Whether you think so or not, I have read many many reasons why they are protesting. You know what? Corolla makes a lot of great points and he doesn't hide behind a crowd to make his point. He didn't say this so that everyone would side with him, unlike your comment that is completely vague.
LuneyTune72 1 month ago
@LuneyTune72
On the multitude of reasons, I agree. The media and the population have a short enough attention span that only one message can successfully resonate at a time. I agree with them, but that is likely to be their downfall.
In regards to my comment, how is it vague? His argument relied on two false premises, and I noted that those two premises were completely full of shit.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
@Saaduk92 if you are wealthy, by definition, you busted your ass (or someone busted their ass and passed their wealth to you). the notion that wealthy people are not hard workers is marxist trash
chrispollock 1 month ago
@chrispollock
You contradicted your own point.
If "someone busted their ass and passed their wealth on to you" then, by definition, said person who received all that money for doing nothing does NOT deserve it.
This notion that everyone who is rich only became so by working hard is naive nonsense.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
@Saaduk92 the point is that large amounts of wealth are directly correlated with large amounts of real value offered, in general. so condemning the wealthy is condemning productive, valuable activity. someone worked hard to produce the wealth through offering value to the community. someone busted their ass. their decision to pass on the wealth is irrelevant. so once again, hard work is correlated with wealth and so the OWS movement is against hard work, innovation and initiative.
chrispollock 1 month ago
@chrispollock
This would only be the case if the world was a complete and utter meritocracy. Which it isn't. The "rich people all work hard" view is a myth.
You're also still not grasping the point of OWS if you think it's anti-rich when it's anti-corruption.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
@Saaduk92 Thata all you OWS assholes are screaming... HATE THE RICH. kill the rich, kill all jews.. This is what you people are screaming, You assholes OWS, but dont occupy George Soros companies, Warren Buffet companies, or places like solyndra "the Obama corrupt business plan".. There is no hidding what you people are really preparing for... Dumb ass.
NOBAMA 2012
truth2honor1 1 month ago
@truth2honor1
OWS is anti-corruption, not anti-rich or anti-jew, and it certainly isn't advocating violence, let alone murder.
Your diatribe screams ignorance.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
@Saaduk92 Google is your friend.. Do the research. O.k maybe 1% of you are really taken the streets for anti-banking and wallstreet, but the 99% are thugs, criminals, rapist, murders, and spoiled little fucking college punks who are being paid by SEIU and the left to push the Obama agenda. FOOL
NOBAMA 2012
truth2honor1 1 month ago
@truth2honor1
Indeed it is, but clearly you haven't been using it.
Look up "Police Statistics: NYC Crime Rates Stayed Flat in 2011". In comparison to a year ago, crime in New York went down by 0.8%.
If OWS was really full of criminals then it would have easily skyrocketed, as tens of thousands have participated so far! Then again, I doubt you bothered to think this through and took the word of certain propaganda outlets.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
@Saaduk92 in denial, a typical Obama slave, not truth just spin. What does Newyorks crime rate have to do with the FACTS of OWS all over the country, I thought you assholes were global. What propaganda outlets? 99% of you never filed for any permits, 99% of you were thought to be EDUCATED college grads, you assholes never even thought of permits when you shit-spit-pissed and raped in public parks-streets-and other facilities. Go home. Take a bath and shoot yourselfs.
NOBAMA 2012
truth2honor1 1 month ago
@truth2honor1
1) I despise Obama.
2) I shows you statistics which countered your claim that 99% of Occupy Wall Street is full of criminals. All you're doing now is repeating yourself despite the statistics showing that you're spewing bullshit.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
@Saaduk92 Was there murders and rapes at any Occupy wallstreet events? "yes"This includes the entire country!!! DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! FACTS
Not MSNBC fucking lie after lie after lie after lie.. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. FACTS
You are a sponge. A servant.
NOBAMA 2012
truth2honor1 1 month ago
@truth2honor1
Your reformed statement is still false.
There's yet to be a single conclusive occurrence where murder and/or rape has taken place specifically due to OWS. People have attempted to associate murders and rapes in nearby areas to them, but nothing's been proven to be the fault of the movement itself.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
@Saaduk92 still a typical obama slave. No truth just lies. OWS protesters were in a tint raping women, then you assholes had SEIU trying to hide-cover- and dodge these facts.. You Obama servants are more worried about the next handout then worring about JOBS.. Its O.K the American people out number you punks and Obama slaves. November 2012 this will all be a bad dream.
NOBAMA 2012
truth2honor1 1 month ago
@truth2honor1
Still a typical deluded idiot.
As mentioned before, look up "Police Statistics: NYC Crime Rates Stayed Flat in 2011". Crime went down in NYC. If the thousands of people in OWS were committing crime then it would have spiked. It didn't.
The facts show you to be wrong.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
@Saaduk92 Once again you are speaking with Obama's nuts in your mouth. OWS is NOT JUST IN NEWYORK you fucking idiot. I will be more than happy to teach you like a little kid and help you learn the facts. You are spewing back what you heard from a left-wing Obama ass sniffing network that has lost its place in the media, they make the path they feel fit to brainwash a fool like yourself. Crime rate in newyork has NOTHING to do with OWS, NOTHING you poor fool. Go take a bath.
NOBAMA 2012
truth2honor1 1 month ago
@truth2honor1
I agree, crime has nothing to do with OWS. However, YOU stated that 99% of OWS consistently only of crime!
This is what you wrote:
"O.k maybe 1% of you are really taken the streets for anti-banking and wallstreet, but the 99% are thugs, criminals, rapist, murders"
I then showed you stats which showed that crime in New york went down by 0.8%, so your claim is mathemathically possible.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
@Saaduk92 your still spinning what I said, MSNBC has taught you well. I never said crime has nothing to do with OWS, I said the crime rate of "NEW YORK" whether its 0% or 99% it has nothing to do with the FACTS that OWS protesters were arrested for Murder, and Rape.. Once again for the lower learing as yourself OWS is NOT JUST IN NEWYORK. Its clear you are a prime example of OWS-Obama servants..Good luck in life.
NOBAMA 2012
truth2honor1 1 month ago
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@truth2honor1
1) That's a complete lie. You wrote;
"O.k maybe 1% of you are really taken the streets for anti-banking and wallstreet, but the 99% are thugs, criminals, rapist, murders"
These are YOUR words.
2) Occupy Wall Street is only in New York as that is where Wall Street is. What you're thinking of are the Occupy movements in general.
Saaduk92 1 month ago
Another example of when trying to identify with a group of people you are not apart of goes wrong. Its not called occupy rich people, its called occupy WALL ST. Corporations are NOT people. then he had the nerve to touch on entitlement when apparently he doesn't know who the biggest recipients of them are....WAKE UP ADAM
partyman10226 2 months ago
@partyman10226 You are a fucking idiot. When two guys go to the store and one dude knows his buddy is going to STEAL, and they both get caught.. they both need two go to JAIl..
NOBAMA 2012
truth2honor1 1 month ago
OWS are collectivist trash whose goal is the theft of the results of the productive efforts of others. They don't want equal opportunity they want equal outcome.
Huboons 2 months ago
Let me explain Adams POV, Adam is stating the protesters are made up of the generation that are whiners/Self entitled also overlaps into the OWS group, the demographic is what he cannot tolerate. Listen carefully to what he is saying.
uralusr 2 months ago
I have never liked this guy....... till now. He could not be more correct.
jfrockon 2 months ago
Adam Corolla can eat a dick, I've never liked him, & I'm sure that if he had a regular job, he'd be the biggest whiner around.
MyTemporaryAccount88 2 months ago
THIS IS FOR ADAM CAROLLA. FUCK OFF ASSHOLE. YOUR WASHED UP, AND NOW YOU WANT TO STEP INTO THE LIME LIGHT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT. SO FROM ME TO YOU GO FUCK YOUR MOTHER. YOU FUCKING PIECE SHIT. EAT A HUGE DICK AND CHOKE ON IT. YOUR WASHED UP.