STOP RESPONDING TO DADDYO! HE IS A TROLLOLOLOLOL!!! YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME TALKING TO HIM! HE WAS PUT ON THIS EARTH TO SEND DISINFORMATION BECAUSE HE IS DISSATISFIED WITH HIS LIFE!
@ApolloWasReal Hahaha! I thought for a while that he really did think he was an intelligent human being but I've come to find that he's just in all this for the lolz.
@ImadePoopcakes Apparently so. We've tried many times to give him some really basic information that he could verify in any textbook, but he's amazingly dense.
He STILL doesn't understand the difference between charged particles like the electrons and protons in the solar wind that interact with the earth's magnetic field, and electromagnetic radiation (photons) like radio, IR, visible light, UV, X-rays and gamma rays that are completely unaffected by the earth's magnetic field.
@ImadePoopcakes I am careful with the word "troll"; it requires a certain intent that's hard to prove. What we *do* know is that he makes statements that are factually and provably false, and he repeats them even after we've carefully explained the errors and given him the references to back up what we say.
@ApolloWasReal You should stop talking to yourself. Your suffering from what scientist have postulated for some time might be a side affect regarding the prolonged use of multiple online personalities. Personality fracturing. How many lucid hours do you really have in a day? Ever hear of remote viewing?
The solar constant is composed of ALL radiation in the spectrum. If you converted the constant to radiation using E=mc2, (Yeah, I know not all of the solar constant is ionizing radiation, this is a demonstration), you would get 4184000 rads per minute. 1 rad = 62.4 x 10^6 MeV. .0001 percent of the constant in ionizing rads would be 4.18 rads per minute. Death. Any questions?
@Tweekerhead First of all, watch your mouth. My kids read this too. We compare what you know nothings say to textbooks and draw our own conclusions. The use of profanity does nothing to enhance your intellectual credentials. Secondly, look up the word "draconian". Me and my children have and we have come to our own conclusions about that as well. Oh, right, you don't have children. Are you familiar with remote viewing?
@ApolloWasReal Stop talking to yourself now before it's too late. A magnetosphere is formed when a stream of charged particles, such as the solar wind, interacts with and is deflected by the intrinsic magnetic field of a planet or similar body. The region above the ionosphere in which the magnetic field of the earth has dominant control over the motions of gas and fast charged particles extends out to a distance of the order of 10 earth radii; it may appropriately be called the 'magnetosphere'.
@Daddyo930 Maybe a little, I did have something very strange and unexplainable happen to me once in a 3 story Victorian on Sheridan in Jamaica Plain about 20 years ago while staying with friends. I'm struggling to find a logical answer to what happened.
@Daddyo930 Is it beyond the realm of possibility that when NASA says 'interplanetary' they mean between planets such as Mars that would require a 6 month+ trip and not the Earth and Moon?
Didn't those guys just demote Pluto from planetary status, surely they wouldn't consider the Moon a planet?
Maybe you should read that article again. Now that you know the Moon is not a planet and interplanetary travel means to traveling to Mars.
@ApolloWasReal You have multiple accounts. Just like all the others. You are suffering from personality fracturing as a result of maintaining so many accounts. The research indicates that over time, trying to maintain multiple virtual online personalities results in a systemic anomaly called personality fracturing. Stop now for your own sake. There is nothing to gain by your actions.
@Daddyo930 Think whatever you like, but this is my only active account. Besides, when it comes to factual claims, it doesn't matter how many people make or deny them. They stand on their own, and they're either true or false. Many of us have tried to explain to you why your many assertions about physics are simply wrong, but you seem unable to learn. Why?
@Daddyo930 So you can even plagairize textbooks. That's very nice. Now can you spend some effort to actually *understand* what you rip off, such as the fact that magnetic fields do absolutely nothing to gamma rays, X-rays, UV, visible light, IR or radio waves, i.e., photons?
@ApolloWasReal Are you afraid now? You have nothing to fear from me. I'm merely a messenger. I am only here to tell you how this ends. This ends with the truth manifesting itself. We are not alone in the universe. "Aliens" have been here before and they never left. You are a slave. Do you want to be free?
@Tweekerhead is Krisdevall is Monkeyboysdontknow is AWR is Spiritof69 and many more. Same syntax. Same lexicon. Similar personalities. I told you to stop talking to yourself. It's dangerous.
@ApolloWasReal Does the military have a program that uses multiple online personalities to spread pro american views? Yes. When the truth of the matter is revealed, you will have no place to hide as I will make it my personal mission to lead them to you. Then you can tell them who you are.
@ApolloWasReal Can a 767 pull a 1.62 g or a 4 g maneuver without experiencing structural failure, like the government allegedly said they did on 911? Can a tin can in space survive a galactic cosmic ray or an X5 class solar flare lasting 4 hours? Did the CIA assassinate the president of Iran in 1953? Has the government lied to it's people in the past? Two yes answers and two no answers. Mix and match.
@Daddyo930 "Can a tin can in space survive a galactic cosmic ray or an X5 class solar flare lasting 4 hours?"
WTF Can a tin can survive?
Daddyo,do you know what a gish gallop' is? You sound like a creationist.
You haven't the slightest interest on how NASA shielded the astros' from radiation, you don't want to know. You just wanna' live in this make believe world of yours.
You ran the gambit from GRB to GCR, you thought you had us"crusaders" on the run, but it's you who's on the run.
@Daddyo930 I'm not an aviation expert, but my understanding is that yes, large transport aircraft can and do pull maneuvers of several g without failure. For example, the aircraft used to do zero-gravity training are unmodified.
Now I suppose it simplifies your world for your simple mind to think that everything the government ever says is automatically wrong. But what if they were to say that 2+2=4?
@ApolloWasReal You don't seem to understand basic physics. It is physically impossible for a 767 to perform those maneuvers. The frame wasn't designed for those kinds of loads. Boeing puts out a VMO/MMO flight limitations review every couple of years for the 767. Extensive flight and computer simulation show that exceeding VMO results in loss of control and structural failure. You will be unable to find certified data to the contrary. That's why 911 was an inside job. Aerodynamics say so.
@Daddyo930 Once again you follow your standard M.O: cut and paste some stuff that makes you sound knowledgeable, then misinterpret it to fit your preferred conclusion in a way that shows you don't even begin to understand it at all. Flying 767s into the WTC required no severe maneuvers that would have overstressed the airframe. None, until the actual impacts, of course.
@ApolloWasReal Wrong. Aerodynamics, barometric pressure and air density are some of the factors going into why a 767 can't fly 420 or 510 knots at 700 feet. 420 knots is 100 knots over the VMO for a 767 at that altitude. If you refer to the Boeing VMO/MMO limitations review 1999, nowhere on that graph will you find 420 or 510 knots. According to the graph, max speed at 700 feet would be 350 KIAS and that would be really pushing it. The frame would be shaking violently and loss of control.
@Daddyo930 Wrong again! Aircraft have safety margins. Flying an aircraft over its published safe limits does NOT guarantee that it will fall out of the sky. It simply increases the probability of a failure. But hey, you'll still believe whatever you want to believe, even that 767s didn't hit the WTC despite thousands of people seeing them do just that with their own eyes.
@ApolloWasReal Then show me the VMO/MMO limitations review fact sheet from Boeing that indicates a 767 would be capable of that speed. The engines and the frame were not designed for that speed and structural failure would have set in well before the craft struck the building. Don't play word games. Science facts are just that, science facts. "Wing flap" would have ripped the alleged 767 from the sky before it could have hit the target.
@Daddyo930 You still don't understand me. I said that aircraft have large safety margins that suicide hijackers are not likely to follow. The simple fact that an airplane is rated for a certain speed does not mean the airplane is guaranteed to instantly fall apart at that speed plus one meter per second.
Besides, the actual figures were 383 kt for AA11 and 470 kt for UA175.
Your case is extremely weak. Nonexistent, in fact.
@Daddyo930 The one and only physical limit of any relevance here is Mach 1. At sea level, that's 340.29 m/s, 761.21 miles/hr or 661.5 kt. Both aircraft that hit the WTC were well below Mach 1 at 383 and 470 kt.
"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001
@ctcole77 Bob Pugh, independent cameraman, filmed the pentagon on 911. In his video, there is no obvious plane wreckage. No large tail pieces, no luggage and no bodies. Get lost fool. 911 was an inside job. I look forward to a face to face conversation when this reality falls on it's face. See you then.
Step 2: Get out and smell the air, what's left of it.
Step 3: When this reality falls on it's face, you and me will have a nice chat.
911 = HAARP = draconians, illuminati, NSA, CIA, MI5, MI6, and all the other intelligence agencies all over the world. The only thing that will save you now is yourself. Good luck with that. Seriously, I mean it.
@Daddyo930 Man I was just reading some posts from you from about 5 months ago.
You were a very condescending little prick now that I look back, and I never insulted you until about the 6th time you said to me "you're too stupid for words" and things to that effect.
Now that I read some of these posts, I realize how arrogant, conceited and condescending you were,trying to belittle me with your dumb-ass ignorance.
Looks like you didn't have us crusaders on the run after all.
Now let's see if you can exactly duplicate that fast hop on earth -- the distance and height of each hop, the precise motions of his arms and legs, the spray of dust that immediately falls back down, everything -- while wearing a suit and backpack that weighs just as much as you do.
@utubedetective72 Well, the Mythbusters gave it a good try. Adam Savage wore an Apollo suit while he was 1) filmed in slow motion and 2) hanging on a wire that supported 5/6 of his weight. Neither time did his motions match those of the Apollo astronauts on the moon. But when they took a plane ride that created real 1/6 g for 20 seconds, his motions were EXACTLY the same as the Apollo astronauts on the moon.
@ApolloWasReal no offense, but I wouldn't quote mythbusters, I didn't tend to believe the landing was faked untill I saw that episode.
The host was not an athlete who could reasonably mimic 'astronaut' jumps nd the pullies used were elastic, not weighted which means their effectiveness is decresed the higher the subject jumps (if you have ever used elastic weights at the gym you'll know what I mean).
This don't mean we didn't land on the moon but the mb experiment was ridic bad
@utubedetective72 Unless you've done the experiments yourself, I'd say you're not really in a position to criticize them. The astronauts were not athletes either. My understanding is that the "wire" rig was in fact weighted, not elastic. The bottom line is that they tried it three ways, and the only one that matched the actual Apollo motions was true 1/6g. I'd say it was a pretty good experiment.
@ApolloWasReal I'm in a position to critic every single one of mythbusters lame episodes. If intelligent folks watch that show feeling they learnt something then theres no hope left for the scientific method.
Where mythbusters would say 'BUSTED' a journal article would say something like 'future studies should use a subject who undertakes the same fitness training as a naught'.
1/6g only looked more realisic is because ropes were no ropes jerking the subject around
@utubedetective72 Mythbusters isn't perfect but they're the best science TV show in decades. They do revisit topics when warranted. But as they pointed out, they busted the Apollo hoax myth as solidly as anything they've ever tested.
Of course true 1/6g looked more realistic than the wire supports. That was the whole point! It also looked more realistic than slow motion. Fact is, the Apollo footage was taken in vacuum under 1/6g and there's only one place near here like that.
@ApolloWasReal i don't know if the moon landing was real or not. But I can claim with certainty that the mybusters episode on this topic was awful (even more awful than usual)
When it comes to the moonwalk mythbusters avoided the two issues hoaxers claim. 1. the moon jumps can be reproduced by an athlete on earth. 2. an athlete in 1/6 gravity would be capable of jumping higher and further than shown in the apollo footage
I was shocked MB used ropes because I knew this is not what hoaxers claim
@utubedetective72 They had to pick a representative sample of claims to fit an hour show. They couldn't be expected to address every possible claim, especially those thought up after the fact while the hoaxers were busily moving the goalposts again.
And they could safely dismiss the more ludicrous claims such as yours. No, the moon jumps cannot be reproduced even by athletes, nor can the astronauts be expected to jump higher than they did given the obvious safety concerns.
@ApolloWasReal don't worry nobody was moving the goalposts for mythbusters. The main reason people believe the moon walk is fake is because the astronaughts don't jump very high or far. Not because ropes were used to make them jump further, that is the 'ludicrous' claim.
I'm not so sure the moonjumps cannot be reproduced by athletes, do you know this as a fact? Or is this just your off-the-top opinion on my 'ludicrous' claim?
@utubedetective72 Have you seen Neil Armstrong's jump up the ladder at the end of his EVA? He jumped 5-6 feet and landed on the 3rd rung - and there was a gap between the bottom of the ladder and the pad. Other astronauts also tried jumps, like Charlie Duke on Apollo 16, who regretted it. He lost his balance and fell, thinking he'd damaged his suit.
Considering that the suits + packs doubled the weight of each astronaut, I think my conclusion is reasonable.
@ApolloWasReal no I haven't seen that clip of neil armstrong. From what I have seen they seem to struggle climbing that ladder when it should be effortless. Could you send the clip over pls?
Everyone has seen the appollo 16 clip where the two naughts are jumping behind a buggy (?1?) and one falls over and cries like a soccer player. With that said there are many clips of naughts falling over where they don't seem to care and continue as if nothing happend
@utubedetective72 You can see Armstrong on the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal. It's right at the end of the EVA. The A16 clip sounds like when Charlie Duke lost his balance. He later said he thought he had damaged his pack and possibly killed himself. The weight of the backpack made it difficult to jump without losing balance; Armstrong did it because he had his hands on the ladder to steady himself.
They went to explore the moon, not to do gymnastic feats.
This jump appears possible, especially considering the fact that he also used his arms for support. You're right though 'they went to explore the moon, not to do gymnastic feats' when it comes to the moonwalk I too accept this reasoning.
I wan't going to argue until you mentioned mythbusters which wrongfully claims that the actions of the naughts could not be reproduced on earth and went about showing this in a convoluted mannr
@utubedetective72 You are misrepresenting the Mythbusters. They did not say that the astronaut motions could not be reproduced on earth by any conceivable means. They simply tested two of the more common Apollo denier claims as to how the videos were supposedly faked. They showed that neither one worked. Naturally, this made the deniers angry so they moved the goalposts and pouted that they hadn't tested every wild idea they might ever come up with at any time in the future.
@ApolloWasReal where you say moving the goal posts, I say that a strawman was made because they chose to attack weak arguements. We can spout cliches all day but its better to discuss substance.
Take this video. I can't speak for everyone but I came to this vid because I wanted to look into whether the movement can be reproduced just by slowing down the speed of regular jumps (hense the double speed and my 1st comment). Ropes didn't cross my mind until you brought up mythbusters
@utubedetective72 Go research it yourself. Many hoaxers *have* long claimed that the lunar surface video was faked on earth by slow motion or with wire supports. So Mythbusters chose those two claims, among others, to test. Maybe you would have picked different claims, but that's what they did. And I think they did a very good job showing that neither technique produces realistic results; only true 1/6g matches the Apollo video.
@utubedetective72 We can discuss why neither technique works. Slow motion can simulate 1/6g ballistics, but if you speed up Apollo video to its purported "original earth speed", all other motions (head, hands, arms) become unnaturally fast. And it doesn't account for jump heights. You'd need normal-looking actors with 6x stronger and faster muscles to produce the observed results after slowdown to sqrt(1/6) =.40.8%.
@utubedetective72 And while the wire support claim can also produce 1/6g ballistic motion for the body as a whole, it also fails because it doesn't simulate 1/6g ballistics for any other objects, especially dust. But even gross body motions don't look right because the wire applies a torque to the body while you're off the ground while true 1/6g doesn't do that. Then by going on the true 1/6g airplane flight, they nailed it. Only that matched the Apollo videos. Brilliant work.
@ApolloWasReal let me put it this way. When i first looked up a hoaxer vid I wondered 'did they use jetpacks or wires or something?'. It was very quickly explained to me that the reason that person thought the moonwalk specifically was a hoax was because the naughts did not jump very high or far
You can see that the use of wires contradicts this observation as they would have gone further. Mythbusters should have addressed the slomo theory fairly (without ropes) or not at all
@utubedetective72 The Mythbusters could not address every excuse from every self-appointed hoaxer after their episode aired, which is exactly what we're discussing here. Jump heights have been addressed MANY times - they weren't there as gymnasts - so they simply compared the overall appearances on wires and in slo mo, including jump height, and showed that they simply didn't match. But true 1/6g did.
@ApolloWasReal and I get it they can't address every single theorey. But they tried testing out the slomo theory by itself but unfairly because they used an unfit subject. Then they went onto say that the slomo theory was busted.
Then they compaired ropes to 1/6g. Big surprise which one looks more like the moonwalk, the one where a man is being jerked around or the one that was done in the environment the moonwalk was inteded to look like. A good magic trick, but not science
@utubedetective72 What are you talking about? Neither the astronauts nor Adam Savage were athletes. Armstrong was famous for his lack of interest in exercise.
Think about what you just said, which in essence was: The Mythbusters results should be dismissed simply because they showed true 1/6g looked most realistic and concluded the moonwalks were real.
@ApolloWasReal strange? I was under the impression that astronaughts go thrugh fitness training, either way MB should have used a fit person to give the xp the greatest chance of success. When you conduct an experiment in a narrow manner to get the result you wan't this is not science.
There results should be thrown out because they made 1/6 look more like the moonlanding than to a fatty prancing and a man being jerked around by ropes.
@utubedetective72 Oh, the astronauts were reasonably fit, but my point is that they were not athletes nor did they go to the moon to perform dangerous gymnastics. Nevertheless, they exhibited motions that were simply not possible on earth even by a highly trained gymnast.
Now if you still think there's another way to recreate those motions in 1g and air more convincingly than the Mythbusters did, you're more than welcome to try. I don't think you'll do very well.
@utubedetective72 I don't think Adam Savage looks especially unfit. Any differences between him and an Apollo astronaut are too small to account for the very great differences between their motions in 1g and true 1/6g.
If you do try a cable or slo-mo on yourself, closely watch how you (and things attached to you) move when you're off the ground. Note the swinging of Adam's hoses in true 1/6g. Slow motion only scales falling speeds, it won't scale energy and jump heights.
@ApolloWasReal thatnks for your input on the slomo theory btw its very specific. I too have noticed that the motions appear unnatural if when watching sped up footage. But this is not a concern mythbusters addressed, instead they dismissed this claim in comparison to a vid much like the one above because their subject did not go high or far enough (hence the ropes)
Regardless what speed is used to play this footage back, one couldn't make jumps/hops with that measure of height/distance using basically just your ankles and/or lower legs to propell as the astonauts did, unless it was truly a low gravity environment. And don't tell me there's wire/cable usage evidence that Elvis and Jim Morrison have with them somewhere right now.
Yeah, if it wasn't a low gravity environment ultra-fast micro-movements would show up in the speed up version. Which I don't see. For starters the object in his hand would be flailing faster.
haha this is too funny xD kinda reminds me of a teletubby xD
ILikeWeatherGuy 3 weeks ago
STOP RESPONDING TO DADDYO! HE IS A TROLLOLOLOLOL!!! YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME TALKING TO HIM! HE WAS PUT ON THIS EARTH TO SEND DISINFORMATION BECAUSE HE IS DISSATISFIED WITH HIS LIFE!
ImadePoopcakes 1 month ago
@ImadePoopcakes Hey, it's *fun* to see him make an idiot of himself.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Hahaha! I thought for a while that he really did think he was an intelligent human being but I've come to find that he's just in all this for the lolz.
ImadePoopcakes 1 month ago
@ImadePoopcakes Apparently so. We've tried many times to give him some really basic information that he could verify in any textbook, but he's amazingly dense.
He STILL doesn't understand the difference between charged particles like the electrons and protons in the solar wind that interact with the earth's magnetic field, and electromagnetic radiation (photons) like radio, IR, visible light, UV, X-rays and gamma rays that are completely unaffected by the earth's magnetic field.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Yep. I've thrown evidence upon evidence in his face and he has refused to look at any of it. Clear sign of a troll.
ImadePoopcakes 1 month ago
@ImadePoopcakes I am careful with the word "troll"; it requires a certain intent that's hard to prove. What we *do* know is that he makes statements that are factually and provably false, and he repeats them even after we've carefully explained the errors and given him the references to back up what we say.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal You should stop talking to yourself. Your suffering from what scientist have postulated for some time might be a side affect regarding the prolonged use of multiple online personalities. Personality fracturing. How many lucid hours do you really have in a day? Ever hear of remote viewing?
Daddyo930 1 month ago
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The solar constant is composed of ALL radiation in the spectrum. If you converted the constant to radiation using E=mc2, (Yeah, I know not all of the solar constant is ionizing radiation, this is a demonstration), you would get 4184000 rads per minute. 1 rad = 62.4 x 10^6 MeV. .0001 percent of the constant in ionizing rads would be 4.18 rads per minute. Death. Any questions?
Daddyo930 2 months ago
@Daddyo930 Yeah, I have a question. When will you finally realize you haven't a clue what you're babbling about?
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Well, I keep seeing you get flamed and burned by everyone.....You seem to hate science facts.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 What "science facts" would that be doodlyo, would that be the science facts of your bazaaro lizard world you live in?
I believe AWR is an engineer, so for you to say that to him is very telling of the feelings of intellectual inadequacy that you harbor.
You can't even get a rad/MeV conversion right, what are you talkin' bout fool.
Quit fuckin science up man...get it right.
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Tweekerhead First of all, watch your mouth. My kids read this too. We compare what you know nothings say to textbooks and draw our own conclusions. The use of profanity does nothing to enhance your intellectual credentials. Secondly, look up the word "draconian". Me and my children have and we have come to our own conclusions about that as well. Oh, right, you don't have children. Are you familiar with remote viewing?
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 What you should watch is what you're teaching your kids.
Are you teaching them your pseudo-science? Do you want them to be as ignorant as you?
You haven't gotten one thing right,have you forgotten that fact?
Quit trying to impress me, I knew you were a poser from your first post.
Stop embarrassing yourself, one day you might grow a brain and read these posts, then you'll feel more stupid than you look now.
BTW,another assumption on your part, I do have a kid.
Typical..
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Knowing you, your referral to 'draconian' probably means lizard men from one of the stars in the constellation Draco'.
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 You read textbooks? You could have fooled me.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Stop talking to yourself now before it's too late. A magnetosphere is formed when a stream of charged particles, such as the solar wind, interacts with and is deflected by the intrinsic magnetic field of a planet or similar body. The region above the ionosphere in which the magnetic field of the earth has dominant control over the motions of gas and fast charged particles extends out to a distance of the order of 10 earth radii; it may appropriately be called the 'magnetosphere'.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 You don't have to cut & paste from Wiki...we can all go there with a clic of the mouse.
Look below the text you posted in Wiki...Where it says gamma rays are blocked by the oazone layer.
See that part below?
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Now answer MTMind's & my question,
How does the ISS & Shuttle crew survive(d) the missions orbiting above the ozone layer that blocks gamma rays?
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Tweekerhead You already snow I'm not answering anymore queries until you answer the question of whether or not you are familiar with remote viewing.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 I know you won't answer that question, but it's fun to rub it in your face.
It kinda' makes ya' have to admit the truth eh'
I would say only about 6 billion MeV's hit the Earth from Cosmic Rays a year, that's my assumption, you're welcome to prove me wrong on that one.
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Tweekerhead Remote viewing. You are familiar with this? Told about it were you?
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Yes.. It's bullshit, no conclusive evidence another milking of American tax dollars.
What they spend like 20 million or more, with nothing to show.
Just like Uri Geller 'Kreskin' or Peter Popov, all frauds, remote viewing was invented by con-artist motivated by money, sorta' like some hoaxers.
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Tweekerhead So you don't believe in any kind of psychic ability existing in anyone? No one has that capability?
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Maybe a little, I did have something very strange and unexplainable happen to me once in a 3 story Victorian on Sheridan in Jamaica Plain about 20 years ago while staying with friends. I'm struggling to find a logical answer to what happened.
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Tweekerhead Is it beyond the realm of possablity that some people might be psychic?
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Is it beyond the realm of possibility that when NASA says 'interplanetary' they mean between planets such as Mars that would require a 6 month+ trip and not the Earth and Moon?
Didn't those guys just demote Pluto from planetary status, surely they wouldn't consider the Moon a planet?
Maybe you should read that article again. Now that you know the Moon is not a planet and interplanetary travel means to traveling to Mars.
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Tweekerhead Answer the question. We go no further until you do.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
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@Tweekerhead Answer the question. We go no further until you do.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Yes, it is. But some people ARE psychotic.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Tweekerhead, what do you hope to accomplish with so many accounts?
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Why don't you ask him? I have no idea who he is, although he does seem to have his head screwed on straight. Unlike yours.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal You have multiple accounts. Just like all the others. You are suffering from personality fracturing as a result of maintaining so many accounts. The research indicates that over time, trying to maintain multiple virtual online personalities results in a systemic anomaly called personality fracturing. Stop now for your own sake. There is nothing to gain by your actions.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Think whatever you like, but this is my only active account. Besides, when it comes to factual claims, it doesn't matter how many people make or deny them. They stand on their own, and they're either true or false. Many of us have tried to explain to you why your many assertions about physics are simply wrong, but you seem unable to learn. Why?
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Your only "active" account. You do have more than one. In fact, you have many. You have headaches often?
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Okay, list them. This should be amusing.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 So you can even plagairize textbooks. That's very nice. Now can you spend some effort to actually *understand* what you rip off, such as the fact that magnetic fields do absolutely nothing to gamma rays, X-rays, UV, visible light, IR or radio waves, i.e., photons?
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Are you afraid now? You have nothing to fear from me. I'm merely a messenger. I am only here to tell you how this ends. This ends with the truth manifesting itself. We are not alone in the universe. "Aliens" have been here before and they never left. You are a slave. Do you want to be free?
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 No...List the sock-puppets man.
Use your remote viewing to see AWR's other names!!
Did you have a premonition that the Moon landings were faked??
Is that why you're here?
(play creepy music background)
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Tweekerhead is Krisdevall is Monkeyboysdontknow is AWR is Spiritof69 and many more. Same syntax. Same lexicon. Similar personalities. I told you to stop talking to yourself. It's dangerous.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
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Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Our styles aren't even close, you're not very intuitive, you make allota' assumptions that are so far from the truth.
How do you do that?
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Does this change anything about the reality of the moon landings?
Or the fact you can't find anyone to agree with your idiot ideas?
NOPE.
krisdevalle 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 I think you need your meds adjusted.
Afraid? Hardly. Amused, though I really shouldn't admit it.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Does the military have a program that uses multiple online personalities to spread pro american views? Yes. When the truth of the matter is revealed, you will have no place to hide as I will make it my personal mission to lead them to you. Then you can tell them who you are.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 That's really funny. And the funniest part of all is your assumption that they even care what you think or say.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Can a 767 pull a 1.62 g or a 4 g maneuver without experiencing structural failure, like the government allegedly said they did on 911? Can a tin can in space survive a galactic cosmic ray or an X5 class solar flare lasting 4 hours? Did the CIA assassinate the president of Iran in 1953? Has the government lied to it's people in the past? Two yes answers and two no answers. Mix and match.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
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@Daddyo930 "Can a tin can in space survive a galactic cosmic ray or an X5 class solar flare lasting 4 hours?"
WTF Can a tin can survive?
Daddyo,do you know what a gish gallop' is? You sound like a creationist.
You haven't the slightest interest on how NASA shielded the astros' from radiation, you don't want to know. You just wanna' live in this make believe world of yours.
You ran the gambit from GRB to GCR, you thought you had us"crusaders" on the run, but it's you who's on the run.
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 I'm not an aviation expert, but my understanding is that yes, large transport aircraft can and do pull maneuvers of several g without failure. For example, the aircraft used to do zero-gravity training are unmodified.
Now I suppose it simplifies your world for your simple mind to think that everything the government ever says is automatically wrong. But what if they were to say that 2+2=4?
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal You don't seem to understand basic physics. It is physically impossible for a 767 to perform those maneuvers. The frame wasn't designed for those kinds of loads. Boeing puts out a VMO/MMO flight limitations review every couple of years for the 767. Extensive flight and computer simulation show that exceeding VMO results in loss of control and structural failure. You will be unable to find certified data to the contrary. That's why 911 was an inside job. Aerodynamics say so.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Once again you follow your standard M.O: cut and paste some stuff that makes you sound knowledgeable, then misinterpret it to fit your preferred conclusion in a way that shows you don't even begin to understand it at all. Flying 767s into the WTC required no severe maneuvers that would have overstressed the airframe. None, until the actual impacts, of course.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Wrong. Aerodynamics, barometric pressure and air density are some of the factors going into why a 767 can't fly 420 or 510 knots at 700 feet. 420 knots is 100 knots over the VMO for a 767 at that altitude. If you refer to the Boeing VMO/MMO limitations review 1999, nowhere on that graph will you find 420 or 510 knots. According to the graph, max speed at 700 feet would be 350 KIAS and that would be really pushing it. The frame would be shaking violently and loss of control.
Daddyo930 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Hey man...Can you tell me what page in the "9/11 Commission Report" it says those 767's were doing 500+ knots?
Really, I didn't the 'report' said that. I thought it was only conspiracy theorist.
Correct me if I'm wrong, even tho' you accuse me of never admitting when so...
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
@Daddyo930 Wrong again! Aircraft have safety margins. Flying an aircraft over its published safe limits does NOT guarantee that it will fall out of the sky. It simply increases the probability of a failure. But hey, you'll still believe whatever you want to believe, even that 767s didn't hit the WTC despite thousands of people seeing them do just that with their own eyes.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal Then show me the VMO/MMO limitations review fact sheet from Boeing that indicates a 767 would be capable of that speed. The engines and the frame were not designed for that speed and structural failure would have set in well before the craft struck the building. Don't play word games. Science facts are just that, science facts. "Wing flap" would have ripped the alleged 767 from the sky before it could have hit the target.
Daddyo930 3 weeks ago
@Daddyo930 You still don't understand me. I said that aircraft have large safety margins that suicide hijackers are not likely to follow. The simple fact that an airplane is rated for a certain speed does not mean the airplane is guaranteed to instantly fall apart at that speed plus one meter per second.
Besides, the actual figures were 383 kt for AA11 and 470 kt for UA175.
Your case is extremely weak. Nonexistent, in fact.
ApolloWasReal 3 weeks ago
@Daddyo930 The one and only physical limit of any relevance here is Mach 1. At sea level, that's 340.29 m/s, 761.21 miles/hr or 661.5 kt. Both aircraft that hit the WTC were well below Mach 1 at 383 and 470 kt.
ApolloWasReal 3 weeks ago
@Daddyo930
"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001
911 TRUTH DEBUNKED!
ctcole77 3 weeks ago
@ctcole77 Bob Pugh, independent cameraman, filmed the pentagon on 911. In his video, there is no obvious plane wreckage. No large tail pieces, no luggage and no bodies. Get lost fool. 911 was an inside job. I look forward to a face to face conversation when this reality falls on it's face. See you then.
Daddyo930 3 weeks ago
@Daddyo930
STEP ONE: Go to google images.
STEP TWO: Type in "flight 77 debris".
STEP THREE: Pull your head out of your ass.
911 TRUTH = 911 LIES
ctcole77 3 weeks ago
@ctcole77 Step 1: Get a life.
Step 2: Get out and smell the air, what's left of it.
Step 3: When this reality falls on it's face, you and me will have a nice chat.
911 = HAARP = draconians, illuminati, NSA, CIA, MI5, MI6, and all the other intelligence agencies all over the world. The only thing that will save you now is yourself. Good luck with that. Seriously, I mean it.
Daddyo930 3 weeks ago
@Daddyo930 Man I was just reading some posts from you from about 5 months ago.
You were a very condescending little prick now that I look back, and I never insulted you until about the 6th time you said to me "you're too stupid for words" and things to that effect.
Now that I read some of these posts, I realize how arrogant, conceited and condescending you were,trying to belittle me with your dumb-ass ignorance.
Looks like you didn't have us crusaders on the run after all.
Too stupid
Tweekerhead 3 weeks ago
Now let's see if you can exactly duplicate that fast hop on earth -- the distance and height of each hop, the precise motions of his arms and legs, the spray of dust that immediately falls back down, everything -- while wearing a suit and backpack that weighs just as much as you do.
Be my guest.
ApolloWasReal 3 months ago
@ApolloWasReal if its not on you tube yet i'll do it. Do you know if anybody has attempted this yet?
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 Well, the Mythbusters gave it a good try. Adam Savage wore an Apollo suit while he was 1) filmed in slow motion and 2) hanging on a wire that supported 5/6 of his weight. Neither time did his motions match those of the Apollo astronauts on the moon. But when they took a plane ride that created real 1/6 g for 20 seconds, his motions were EXACTLY the same as the Apollo astronauts on the moon.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal no offense, but I wouldn't quote mythbusters, I didn't tend to believe the landing was faked untill I saw that episode.
The host was not an athlete who could reasonably mimic 'astronaut' jumps nd the pullies used were elastic, not weighted which means their effectiveness is decresed the higher the subject jumps (if you have ever used elastic weights at the gym you'll know what I mean).
This don't mean we didn't land on the moon but the mb experiment was ridic bad
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 Unless you've done the experiments yourself, I'd say you're not really in a position to criticize them. The astronauts were not athletes either. My understanding is that the "wire" rig was in fact weighted, not elastic. The bottom line is that they tried it three ways, and the only one that matched the actual Apollo motions was true 1/6g. I'd say it was a pretty good experiment.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal I'm in a position to critic every single one of mythbusters lame episodes. If intelligent folks watch that show feeling they learnt something then theres no hope left for the scientific method.
Where mythbusters would say 'BUSTED' a journal article would say something like 'future studies should use a subject who undertakes the same fitness training as a naught'.
1/6g only looked more realisic is because ropes were no ropes jerking the subject around
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 Mythbusters isn't perfect but they're the best science TV show in decades. They do revisit topics when warranted. But as they pointed out, they busted the Apollo hoax myth as solidly as anything they've ever tested.
Of course true 1/6g looked more realistic than the wire supports. That was the whole point! It also looked more realistic than slow motion. Fact is, the Apollo footage was taken in vacuum under 1/6g and there's only one place near here like that.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal i don't know if the moon landing was real or not. But I can claim with certainty that the mybusters episode on this topic was awful (even more awful than usual)
When it comes to the moonwalk mythbusters avoided the two issues hoaxers claim. 1. the moon jumps can be reproduced by an athlete on earth. 2. an athlete in 1/6 gravity would be capable of jumping higher and further than shown in the apollo footage
I was shocked MB used ropes because I knew this is not what hoaxers claim
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 They had to pick a representative sample of claims to fit an hour show. They couldn't be expected to address every possible claim, especially those thought up after the fact while the hoaxers were busily moving the goalposts again.
And they could safely dismiss the more ludicrous claims such as yours. No, the moon jumps cannot be reproduced even by athletes, nor can the astronauts be expected to jump higher than they did given the obvious safety concerns.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal don't worry nobody was moving the goalposts for mythbusters. The main reason people believe the moon walk is fake is because the astronaughts don't jump very high or far. Not because ropes were used to make them jump further, that is the 'ludicrous' claim.
I'm not so sure the moonjumps cannot be reproduced by athletes, do you know this as a fact? Or is this just your off-the-top opinion on my 'ludicrous' claim?
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 Have you seen Neil Armstrong's jump up the ladder at the end of his EVA? He jumped 5-6 feet and landed on the 3rd rung - and there was a gap between the bottom of the ladder and the pad. Other astronauts also tried jumps, like Charlie Duke on Apollo 16, who regretted it. He lost his balance and fell, thinking he'd damaged his suit.
Considering that the suits + packs doubled the weight of each astronaut, I think my conclusion is reasonable.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal no I haven't seen that clip of neil armstrong. From what I have seen they seem to struggle climbing that ladder when it should be effortless. Could you send the clip over pls?
Everyone has seen the appollo 16 clip where the two naughts are jumping behind a buggy (?1?) and one falls over and cries like a soccer player. With that said there are many clips of naughts falling over where they don't seem to care and continue as if nothing happend
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 You can see Armstrong on the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal. It's right at the end of the EVA. The A16 clip sounds like when Charlie Duke lost his balance. He later said he thought he had damaged his pack and possibly killed himself. The weight of the backpack made it difficult to jump without losing balance; Armstrong did it because he had his hands on the ladder to steady himself.
They went to explore the moon, not to do gymnastic feats.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal found the clip /watch?v=gZxOXIT91VE
This jump appears possible, especially considering the fact that he also used his arms for support. You're right though 'they went to explore the moon, not to do gymnastic feats' when it comes to the moonwalk I too accept this reasoning.
I wan't going to argue until you mentioned mythbusters which wrongfully claims that the actions of the naughts could not be reproduced on earth and went about showing this in a convoluted mannr
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 You are misrepresenting the Mythbusters. They did not say that the astronaut motions could not be reproduced on earth by any conceivable means. They simply tested two of the more common Apollo denier claims as to how the videos were supposedly faked. They showed that neither one worked. Naturally, this made the deniers angry so they moved the goalposts and pouted that they hadn't tested every wild idea they might ever come up with at any time in the future.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal where you say moving the goal posts, I say that a strawman was made because they chose to attack weak arguements. We can spout cliches all day but its better to discuss substance.
Take this video. I can't speak for everyone but I came to this vid because I wanted to look into whether the movement can be reproduced just by slowing down the speed of regular jumps (hense the double speed and my 1st comment). Ropes didn't cross my mind until you brought up mythbusters
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 Go research it yourself. Many hoaxers *have* long claimed that the lunar surface video was faked on earth by slow motion or with wire supports. So Mythbusters chose those two claims, among others, to test. Maybe you would have picked different claims, but that's what they did. And I think they did a very good job showing that neither technique produces realistic results; only true 1/6g matches the Apollo video.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 We can discuss why neither technique works. Slow motion can simulate 1/6g ballistics, but if you speed up Apollo video to its purported "original earth speed", all other motions (head, hands, arms) become unnaturally fast. And it doesn't account for jump heights. You'd need normal-looking actors with 6x stronger and faster muscles to produce the observed results after slowdown to sqrt(1/6) =.40.8%.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 And while the wire support claim can also produce 1/6g ballistic motion for the body as a whole, it also fails because it doesn't simulate 1/6g ballistics for any other objects, especially dust. But even gross body motions don't look right because the wire applies a torque to the body while you're off the ground while true 1/6g doesn't do that. Then by going on the true 1/6g airplane flight, they nailed it. Only that matched the Apollo videos. Brilliant work.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal let me put it this way. When i first looked up a hoaxer vid I wondered 'did they use jetpacks or wires or something?'. It was very quickly explained to me that the reason that person thought the moonwalk specifically was a hoax was because the naughts did not jump very high or far
You can see that the use of wires contradicts this observation as they would have gone further. Mythbusters should have addressed the slomo theory fairly (without ropes) or not at all
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 The Mythbusters could not address every excuse from every self-appointed hoaxer after their episode aired, which is exactly what we're discussing here. Jump heights have been addressed MANY times - they weren't there as gymnasts - so they simply compared the overall appearances on wires and in slo mo, including jump height, and showed that they simply didn't match. But true 1/6g did.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal and I get it they can't address every single theorey. But they tried testing out the slomo theory by itself but unfairly because they used an unfit subject. Then they went onto say that the slomo theory was busted.
Then they compaired ropes to 1/6g. Big surprise which one looks more like the moonwalk, the one where a man is being jerked around or the one that was done in the environment the moonwalk was inteded to look like. A good magic trick, but not science
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 What are you talking about? Neither the astronauts nor Adam Savage were athletes. Armstrong was famous for his lack of interest in exercise.
Think about what you just said, which in essence was: The Mythbusters results should be dismissed simply because they showed true 1/6g looked most realistic and concluded the moonwalks were real.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal strange? I was under the impression that astronaughts go thrugh fitness training, either way MB should have used a fit person to give the xp the greatest chance of success. When you conduct an experiment in a narrow manner to get the result you wan't this is not science.
There results should be thrown out because they made 1/6 look more like the moonlanding than to a fatty prancing and a man being jerked around by ropes.
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 Oh, the astronauts were reasonably fit, but my point is that they were not athletes nor did they go to the moon to perform dangerous gymnastics. Nevertheless, they exhibited motions that were simply not possible on earth even by a highly trained gymnast.
Now if you still think there's another way to recreate those motions in 1g and air more convincingly than the Mythbusters did, you're more than welcome to try. I don't think you'll do very well.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal cheers. If I end up giving it a try I'll send you the vid if anything it'll be good 4 a laugh
utubedetective72 1 month ago
@utubedetective72 I don't think Adam Savage looks especially unfit. Any differences between him and an Apollo astronaut are too small to account for the very great differences between their motions in 1g and true 1/6g.
If you do try a cable or slo-mo on yourself, closely watch how you (and things attached to you) move when you're off the ground. Note the swinging of Adam's hoses in true 1/6g. Slow motion only scales falling speeds, it won't scale energy and jump heights.
ApolloWasReal 1 month ago
@ApolloWasReal thatnks for your input on the slomo theory btw its very specific. I too have noticed that the motions appear unnatural if when watching sped up footage. But this is not a concern mythbusters addressed, instead they dismissed this claim in comparison to a vid much like the one above because their subject did not go high or far enough (hence the ropes)
utubedetective72 1 month ago
Regardless what speed is used to play this footage back, one couldn't make jumps/hops with that measure of height/distance using basically just your ankles and/or lower legs to propell as the astonauts did, unless it was truly a low gravity environment. And don't tell me there's wire/cable usage evidence that Elvis and Jim Morrison have with them somewhere right now.
shoogdon 3 months ago
hes halo jumping
sjc878787 4 months ago
Yeah, if it wasn't a low gravity environment ultra-fast micro-movements would show up in the speed up version. Which I don't see. For starters the object in his hand would be flailing faster.
quietthomas 6 months ago
Looks like cartoon. No really.
HungryGreeny 6 months ago
Teletubbies?
Ziopandarino 6 months ago
so they became world famous for just hopping like a bunny
TheAfRoHuLk 8 months ago
aeiou
bryanFskates69 10 months ago
Wow, Joe Rogan was right, I find it odd how often i say that.
Sephirosu6 10 months ago
@Sephirosu6 lol ikr. joe rogans a genius
DTX85 7 months ago