please wikipedia HIGH TEMPERATURE ELECTROLYSIS at exhaust temperature the H20 will crack into HYDROGEN / HYDROGEN / OXYGEN (HHO). this is a realy simple way of making the engine more efficient. I think if you split your vapours ( half the moist air) into a chamber (under intake vacuum) mounted to your exhaust you may get more power.
The french Econokit system does exactly as described, Shut off EGR VALVE to further improve efficiency. also come over and see my playlist VAPOUR CARB ASSEMBLY.
One thing people seem to overlook about water injection is water to steam conversion. It's not about acting as a catalyst. Acting to cool down the combustion chamber is true and probably a beneficial effect. But the big inefficiency of gas engines is how much heat just goes out through the cooling system and the exhaust. when water flashes to steam at 212F it expands 1,700:1. So using heat to cause this expansion pushes on the piston in addition to the exploding gas. It's a steam engine.
does anyone here know if its possible to use a water / acetone or denatured alcohol mix for fuel in injected vehicles?? and or, using the vaccuum lines to inject %91 rubbing alcohol into the engine?? i figure, the alcohol going in could be regulated by an adjustable mini clamp on the vaccuum line. since no oxygen is going in and no air bubbles to ignite through the line, it may work. would it increase gas mileage? someone please reply with a good answer. thanks :)
this is purely AWESOME!!!! hahahahah....the endless search for more gas mileage. nice. correct me if im wrong but when you introduce the fog vapor into the engine, do the spark plugs create a sort of electrolysis effect instantly extracting hydrogen and oxygen making a combustible gas? watch the stan meyers videos on how he made an engine run completely off water, no gasoline. if you can install a secondary alternator, you can run a hho generator big enough to run off hho. no more gas tank!
@bikr1975 It's not explosive yet. It does act more like a catalyst and think with addition of particle charges magnetic fields and UV-C lighting may increase energy level enough to use as fuel. Right now the only gain is when towing I have more power.
Like you said at the end of the video... "Alright, were cool!" And indeed you are! Great show & Tell! Looks like you guys got it together in good order. Now if only people will just look and learn Keep on keeping on my friend h2okix
people used to inject water small amounts into there ngines in high performance cars becuase of a performance gain a vapor or fog like that wouldnt really harm much
In theory, the best thing to do with this system is to up the compression in the engine as the water injection reduces the risk of knock. You might want to skim the block or something like that.
@samandlauz what do you reacon about the formation of plasma?
basically i know water turns to plasma at 2300 deg c + which is not internal combustion temps. however i know with iridium tip plugs (which i have) arc can reach in excess of 4000 deg c. its possible that some water is plasmafied by the arc and as hydrogen can burn at over 2300deg c wether its possible for a knock on effect from the arc in a loclised area would be possible within a combustion engine.?
Funny you should say that, I have been looking into plasma a little bit recently. There are a few videos on here that show the enhanced ignition effect of plasma. Unfortunately I am not massively clued up on it. I think the moisture does help the voltage jump the spark gap from what I understand. I have also been lead to believe that plasma is present in the air, which is the reason we have lightening in thunderstorms. But I am not entirely sure. I will have to read up on it.
@samandlauz plasma isnt exactly a compound. its teh 4th state of matter after gas liquid solid plasma. essentially anything can become plasma aslong as its being heated to high enough tempretures.
you can add a catalyst to water to lower its plasma stae but most the time these increases the amoutn of nasty n dangerous gases that are produced in combustion.
stick with water mister and a hho cell .ideally running offf a seperate battery charged by a soalar panel
But what about when the water/steam is pressurised, that also lowers the temperature point of where is turns into plasma doesn't it?
Personally I am not convinced by these "HHO Cells" I don't really think they would actually create any helpful amount of energy. Plus they have to take the energy from the alternator to work, and an alternator is only 50% efficient at best.
If water is going to become the next big fuel, then I think it stands it's best chance in an alcohol blend.
@samandlauz yespressure helps a reactiona swell. any addition of energy does eally.
about hho cells. the argument for them not working is due to conservation of energy is flawed. basically a superchanrger takes engine power very much like an alternator does but increases power.
becuase its changing the combustion reaction by incresesing oxygen content in the chamber by doubling the amount of air crammed in. however only 20% of normal air (oxygen is used)
A supercharger doesn't really work in same way I'm afraid. Yes the supercharger does blow extra air into the engine increasing its volumetric efficiency, however, it also injects more fuel as well. Engines run at an air/fuel mixture of 14.7 to 1, also known as lambda 1. This ratio is monitored by the lambda sensor in the exhaust which measures the oxygen content. If you added more oxygen into the engine, the lambda sensor would just tell the ECU to inject more fuel.
@samandlauz by your description there hho works almost exactly the same as a supercharger. the main difference is that a supercharger and turbos are alwasy thought of in a performance application. the main reason why most diesels have better mpg is becuase of a turbo (gains from no ignition system are minimal). the lambda sensor is marketed as monitoring fuel ratios but in essense its somthing installed to all cars in the 80s which conviniently messes up all hho/water installs.
Actually the diesels main advantage is the fact it has no ignition system. The turbo is there to raise compression. Diesels don't suffer from pre-detonation and the fuel ignites when the injector injects the fuel into the cylinder. A petrol injects fuel from the manifold on the intake stroke and if the compression was anywhere near the same as the diesels then pre-detonation or "knock" would occur. Thats why the fuel mixture has to be maintained at that level.
@samandlauz tyes teh os2 sensor fixes fuel ratios but for me something that measures how much (healthy o2) is coming out and then adds more fuel to get rid of it is suspect. to me. there are loads more ways of monitoring exhaust gases.i spaced my lambda sensor out to lean my mix.
motorway driving doubled my mpg
however i got only max 10% more mpg in city driving.
like a turbo/supercharger aswell when i was not using the boost mpg increased when i was using extra power it decreased
Oh yeah there are some improvements to be made without a lambda sensor and you can get an engine to run lean, leading to better fuel economy. However, this does cause a raise in exhaust gas temperature and also will create NOX emissions. But, modern direct injection engines have a separate catalytic converter to reduce NOX and they can run lean. Up to about lambda 3 which is 45:1 air to fuel ratio.
@samandlauz well that another point i could make. running an engine lean and on advanced ignition to make it knock is bad.
however adding water mist counteracts both these two effects. results in more power and less fuel used.
a lean mix doesnt neccesiry burn hotter. basicall out of suck squeeze bang blow on the 4 cycles the uncombusted fuel in the squeeze cycle absorbs engine heat through surface contact. hence alean mixture with less fuel runs hot. water just helps it keep cool
That is correct, thats why water injection works. However you cannot go too nuts with the water otherwise the fuel won't ignite or you will blow the engine up as water does not compress.
Have a look on the snow performance or aquamist website, that will tell you a bit more about it. Water injection was used on F1 cars in the turbo era and Saab used to fit it to their 900 turbos as an option. The only issue, again, is getting it to work with the ECU and lambda sensor.
@samandlauz exactly, u c y im more than certain that the lambda sensor was introduced to cars gimmicked as emission controll but really its a block to fuel addatives based around water or excess oxygen.
when i had a carbed vauxhall nova the performance n mpg was far more noticeable.
only problem was i blew my engine up with too much redex (label said quarter) bottele for a tank i realised thier tank was 50litre my nova tank was 25 :P
Yeah Redex is good stuff, I use it in my Saab 9-3 Turbo from time to time. Especially when I have to put the nasty supermarket fuel in.
Have you tried using E85? Ethanol has the ability to absorb water so you might be able to run a blend straight from the fuel tank. However water does tend to do some harm to fuel lines and fuel pumps, but an experiment on an old simple carbed engine might be worth a try.
@samandlauz lol twice the dose of redex blew up my 1.2 nova engine :P id say stick to proper injection cleaner specialist with proper tools from now on.
and i dont need to add water meth to my fuel tank as i use a mister :P hence me commenting on this video. mines a single jet though :( cant afford a 120+ pound 10 jet momnster one like this vid has. also i dont think the power invertor i have will go past 3amps and those things draw in excess of 5 :(
@samandlauz yep pressure helps reaction aswell as it increases energy.
hho theroy is sound and not agaisnt conservation of energy the principle is like a supercharger
same mechanical strain lik hho+alternator but it increases oxygen content by cramming more air in air is about 20% oxygen so you see that a supercharger is cramming in 80% useless gas essentially.
hho however small of an amount i.e 5l/min is pure useful gas hence why hho is viable.
I hope they are not trying to get any gains at idle. they wont see anything there.
water injection is good for High compression engines & turbo to lower knock and pinging(temps). not to save fuel. too much and the gasses cool down too much making things worse.
I would try it on a lean mixture engine running at cruising speed not at idle.
Would greater savings be possible by fooling the engine management system as its doubtless putting out too much fuel - the vehicle looks as though its young enough to have such a system!
i'd like to try doing this on my 81 rabbit diesel. i actually thought of this today since it rained this morning on my way to work and i noticed it ran much better, then at work i was repairing an ultra sonic nebulizer and thought how a few of them put together could make more fog that whats reaching my intake. And also a lot of diesel people use water misters to spray windshield washer fluid into the engine, the water/meth mix helps make a lot more power, but thats no secret.
This is simply "water injection", a technology that's been around since WWII (on aircraft). It helps eliminate predetonation by lowering the combustion chamber (and air intake) temps. I have ideas for something similar, but using HHO instead of water vapor. Good job and keep tweaking it!
Is there any advantage to adding more fog? Perhaps 2 of these things. DId your engine idle rough at all? I used a hand held wand steam thing used for cleaning BBQ's etc and mine ran a little rough for a bit while injecting.
The mix is too rich. You can usually expect a percent of the water to convert to hydrogen, steam does produce mechanical energy as well as any burned gas. So, both reactions work well together until the mixture is too rich. Too much water and it won't get hot enough to do either much less both. The same is true with fuel or you couldn't flood the engine.
I agree with that statement except for the Water to Hydrogen off the heat. In order for water to separate VIA heat its got to reach 2700 celcius and gasoline hits about 850 from what i understand.
How about a single cylinder, hand crank to start, proof of cocept motor.Just 16:1 compression and a small fogger on the intake.That's it.Surely some of you machine shop guys could pull this off!! Make our dreams come true!!!
Kid you not. Using 2 or 3 fogger setups at the same time on what would amount to a diesel engine with low compression (About 16:1 to 17:1 comression range could VERY easily be the answer to this whole water car idea.But there is no engine built that way because the compression is to low and diesel would not fire. And trying to use a normal diesel engine would result in pre ignition which wouldn:t work.
The average car engine only has about a 17% heat efficiently rating. Just 17% goes into turning the wheels and most of the rest is heat lost out the exhaust and radiator.
My guess is that fogging cools the charge too much as it enters the combustion chamber where as the water gasket leaks allowed the ignition to bring the charge to peek temperature before it contacted the water on or near the top of the piston and quickly turned it into high pressure steam that continued to expand through the entire stroke after the combustion ceased its expansion.
I never had much luck with a fogger. But I did have an increase in milage when my head gasget leaked water into the cumbustion chambers. The mileage went from 20 mpg to 29 mpg, then after about 12 days the engine had a hydraulic lock up. It turned out that only 2 cylinders were involved. It was a 6 cylinder engine so only 1/3 of the engines output was enhanced by the leaky gasget. If all 6 cylinders had been leaking the mileage would have been about a 190% better.
I am also sure if you run a dyno with and without the water vapor you will see a power increase. Hot dry air produces less power than cool dense air. Water does two things as it cools air and increases density. Plug a hydrogen generator in the mix and I wonder what that would do for you? Good work guys.
higuy, can you tell me what exactly is a fogger please, where might i get infor on this fogger, im doing hydrogen tests aswell but keep blowing the chargers...ha ha ha ... thom.
Are you small minded or what? You ever ride around in the rain on the highway? Understand what is happening at that point when you intake on your engine is pulling in water vapor that is coming off the back of other cars while you drive.
Diesel tractors at tractor pulls use every trick in the book including water injection.
I use to think it was just to cool the engine but it actually helps make more power by turning into steam inside the cylinder.
They are making unreal heat compared to this van but it's the same principle.
I'm sure if you use way too much it will start to hurt instead of help.
The diesels also use peroxide too (that might help the van) and 150 lbs of boost.
1SixpenceFan 5 days ago
please wikipedia HIGH TEMPERATURE ELECTROLYSIS at exhaust temperature the H20 will crack into HYDROGEN / HYDROGEN / OXYGEN (HHO). this is a realy simple way of making the engine more efficient. I think if you split your vapours ( half the moist air) into a chamber (under intake vacuum) mounted to your exhaust you may get more power.
The french Econokit system does exactly as described, Shut off EGR VALVE to further improve efficiency. also come over and see my playlist VAPOUR CARB ASSEMBLY.
neiallswheel 2 weeks ago
One thing people seem to overlook about water injection is water to steam conversion. It's not about acting as a catalyst. Acting to cool down the combustion chamber is true and probably a beneficial effect. But the big inefficiency of gas engines is how much heat just goes out through the cooling system and the exhaust. when water flashes to steam at 212F it expands 1,700:1. So using heat to cause this expansion pushes on the piston in addition to the exploding gas. It's a steam engine.
1vw2go 6 months ago
where can i get one of those fog makers?
Video85Man 7 months ago
what is the case built out of?
chipsnyper06 9 months ago
does anyone here know if its possible to use a water / acetone or denatured alcohol mix for fuel in injected vehicles?? and or, using the vaccuum lines to inject %91 rubbing alcohol into the engine?? i figure, the alcohol going in could be regulated by an adjustable mini clamp on the vaccuum line. since no oxygen is going in and no air bubbles to ignite through the line, it may work. would it increase gas mileage? someone please reply with a good answer. thanks :)
bikr1975 10 months ago
this is purely AWESOME!!!! hahahahah....the endless search for more gas mileage. nice. correct me if im wrong but when you introduce the fog vapor into the engine, do the spark plugs create a sort of electrolysis effect instantly extracting hydrogen and oxygen making a combustible gas? watch the stan meyers videos on how he made an engine run completely off water, no gasoline. if you can install a secondary alternator, you can run a hho generator big enough to run off hho. no more gas tank!
bikr1975 1 year ago
@bikr1975 It's not explosive yet. It does act more like a catalyst and think with addition of particle charges magnetic fields and UV-C lighting may increase energy level enough to use as fuel. Right now the only gain is when towing I have more power.
fastimports3 1 year ago
the reason this give you better MPg is its Steam cleaning the engine . once you remove it you see that same MPG over the next few months.
Vistal11 1 year ago
did ya try this on gasoline or just water?
frank0067 1 year ago
cool, did you dyno it???
energiainti 1 year ago
the water takes up space in the combustion chamber increasing compression ratio.
keithmobile73 2 years ago
Like you said at the end of the video... "Alright, were cool!" And indeed you are! Great show & Tell! Looks like you guys got it together in good order. Now if only people will just look and learn Keep on keeping on my friend h2okix
iamh2ok9 2 years ago
great job. how much gans are you getting on your mileage?
helzmcfugly 2 years ago
id also like to point out hho cells links to water foggers
as well as hho gas the bubbles popping create water vapour.
the electrolysis heats up the water and more vapour can be created by popping bubbles in hotter water.
the only problem is. most hho celss require an electrolyte, nearly all of which detiriate/coat metal engine internals.
hence why hho usually breaks cars.
you need to use pure pure water for the best hho cell for a car
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
A Stan Meyer cell maybe ;-)
y90jangl 2 years ago
um... tbh thats what i have
3 tubes outer neg inner pos and middle nuetral
ive coated the ends with rubber sealant to maximise gas and minimise current/heat
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
Nice one ;)
NotnaRed 2 years ago
people used to inject water small amounts into there ngines in high performance cars becuase of a performance gain a vapor or fog like that wouldnt really harm much
prototype9000 2 years ago 3
is that gas fog or water fog?
ingesumadre 2 years ago
that is not good for an engine. that does nothing to gain mileage nor horse power
magerty 2 years ago
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aluka1603 2 years ago
yes it is. cooler engine, more power.
i have installed a much smaller unit into my 75bhp 1.4 single point injection pug 306
i used to get blown my my mates moms clio (90bhp)
and now i beat him.
my engine used to sit at 92 degrees C and go up to a max of 98ish under high revs
it now sits at 87 and has a max of about 93 - 94 under high revs.
water vapour robs heat from the explosion and expands into steam. this controls heat and the expansion adds horsepower.
jimmyhackers 2 years ago
In theory, the best thing to do with this system is to up the compression in the engine as the water injection reduces the risk of knock. You might want to skim the block or something like that.
samandlauz 3 years ago 2
@samandlauz doesnt the adition of water increase compression aswell as your adding a non compressable entity into the engine?
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
@jimmyhackers
True it does do that. It also raises compression by cooling the air going into the cylinders making it more dense and compact.
samandlauz 1 year ago
@samandlauz what do you reacon about the formation of plasma?
basically i know water turns to plasma at 2300 deg c + which is not internal combustion temps. however i know with iridium tip plugs (which i have) arc can reach in excess of 4000 deg c. its possible that some water is plasmafied by the arc and as hydrogen can burn at over 2300deg c wether its possible for a knock on effect from the arc in a loclised area would be possible within a combustion engine.?
thoughts?
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
@jimmyhackers
Funny you should say that, I have been looking into plasma a little bit recently. There are a few videos on here that show the enhanced ignition effect of plasma. Unfortunately I am not massively clued up on it. I think the moisture does help the voltage jump the spark gap from what I understand. I have also been lead to believe that plasma is present in the air, which is the reason we have lightening in thunderstorms. But I am not entirely sure. I will have to read up on it.
samandlauz 1 year ago
@samandlauz plasma isnt exactly a compound. its teh 4th state of matter after gas liquid solid plasma. essentially anything can become plasma aslong as its being heated to high enough tempretures.
you can add a catalyst to water to lower its plasma stae but most the time these increases the amoutn of nasty n dangerous gases that are produced in combustion.
stick with water mister and a hho cell .ideally running offf a seperate battery charged by a soalar panel
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
@jimmyhackers
But what about when the water/steam is pressurised, that also lowers the temperature point of where is turns into plasma doesn't it?
Personally I am not convinced by these "HHO Cells" I don't really think they would actually create any helpful amount of energy. Plus they have to take the energy from the alternator to work, and an alternator is only 50% efficient at best.
If water is going to become the next big fuel, then I think it stands it's best chance in an alcohol blend.
samandlauz 1 year ago
@samandlauz yespressure helps a reactiona swell. any addition of energy does eally.
about hho cells. the argument for them not working is due to conservation of energy is flawed. basically a superchanrger takes engine power very much like an alternator does but increases power.
becuase its changing the combustion reaction by incresesing oxygen content in the chamber by doubling the amount of air crammed in. however only 20% of normal air (oxygen is used)
hence why hho has an effect
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
@jimmyhackers
A supercharger doesn't really work in same way I'm afraid. Yes the supercharger does blow extra air into the engine increasing its volumetric efficiency, however, it also injects more fuel as well. Engines run at an air/fuel mixture of 14.7 to 1, also known as lambda 1. This ratio is monitored by the lambda sensor in the exhaust which measures the oxygen content. If you added more oxygen into the engine, the lambda sensor would just tell the ECU to inject more fuel.
samandlauz 1 year ago
@samandlauz by your description there hho works almost exactly the same as a supercharger. the main difference is that a supercharger and turbos are alwasy thought of in a performance application. the main reason why most diesels have better mpg is becuase of a turbo (gains from no ignition system are minimal). the lambda sensor is marketed as monitoring fuel ratios but in essense its somthing installed to all cars in the 80s which conviniently messes up all hho/water installs.
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
@jimmyhackers
Actually the diesels main advantage is the fact it has no ignition system. The turbo is there to raise compression. Diesels don't suffer from pre-detonation and the fuel ignites when the injector injects the fuel into the cylinder. A petrol injects fuel from the manifold on the intake stroke and if the compression was anywhere near the same as the diesels then pre-detonation or "knock" would occur. Thats why the fuel mixture has to be maintained at that level.
samandlauz 1 year ago
@samandlauz tyes teh os2 sensor fixes fuel ratios but for me something that measures how much (healthy o2) is coming out and then adds more fuel to get rid of it is suspect. to me. there are loads more ways of monitoring exhaust gases.i spaced my lambda sensor out to lean my mix.
motorway driving doubled my mpg
however i got only max 10% more mpg in city driving.
like a turbo/supercharger aswell when i was not using the boost mpg increased when i was using extra power it decreased
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
@jimmyhackers
Oh yeah there are some improvements to be made without a lambda sensor and you can get an engine to run lean, leading to better fuel economy. However, this does cause a raise in exhaust gas temperature and also will create NOX emissions. But, modern direct injection engines have a separate catalytic converter to reduce NOX and they can run lean. Up to about lambda 3 which is 45:1 air to fuel ratio.
samandlauz 1 year ago
@samandlauz well that another point i could make. running an engine lean and on advanced ignition to make it knock is bad.
however adding water mist counteracts both these two effects. results in more power and less fuel used.
a lean mix doesnt neccesiry burn hotter. basicall out of suck squeeze bang blow on the 4 cycles the uncombusted fuel in the squeeze cycle absorbs engine heat through surface contact. hence alean mixture with less fuel runs hot. water just helps it keep cool
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
@jimmyhackers
That is correct, thats why water injection works. However you cannot go too nuts with the water otherwise the fuel won't ignite or you will blow the engine up as water does not compress.
Have a look on the snow performance or aquamist website, that will tell you a bit more about it. Water injection was used on F1 cars in the turbo era and Saab used to fit it to their 900 turbos as an option. The only issue, again, is getting it to work with the ECU and lambda sensor.
samandlauz 1 year ago
@samandlauz exactly, u c y im more than certain that the lambda sensor was introduced to cars gimmicked as emission controll but really its a block to fuel addatives based around water or excess oxygen.
when i had a carbed vauxhall nova the performance n mpg was far more noticeable.
only problem was i blew my engine up with too much redex (label said quarter) bottele for a tank i realised thier tank was 50litre my nova tank was 25 :P
up untill this was hho water install worked great
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
@jimmyhackers
Yeah Redex is good stuff, I use it in my Saab 9-3 Turbo from time to time. Especially when I have to put the nasty supermarket fuel in.
Have you tried using E85? Ethanol has the ability to absorb water so you might be able to run a blend straight from the fuel tank. However water does tend to do some harm to fuel lines and fuel pumps, but an experiment on an old simple carbed engine might be worth a try.
samandlauz 1 year ago
@samandlauz lol twice the dose of redex blew up my 1.2 nova engine :P id say stick to proper injection cleaner specialist with proper tools from now on.
and i dont need to add water meth to my fuel tank as i use a mister :P hence me commenting on this video. mines a single jet though :( cant afford a 120+ pound 10 jet momnster one like this vid has. also i dont think the power invertor i have will go past 3amps and those things draw in excess of 5 :(
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
@samandlauz yep pressure helps reaction aswell as it increases energy.
hho theroy is sound and not agaisnt conservation of energy the principle is like a supercharger
same mechanical strain lik hho+alternator but it increases oxygen content by cramming more air in air is about 20% oxygen so you see that a supercharger is cramming in 80% useless gas essentially.
hho however small of an amount i.e 5l/min is pure useful gas hence why hho is viable.
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
if you really want to save on gas go to: thegas4free.blogspot,com
jedwhelchel 3 years ago
its the space ship van from hell
Cchange4us 3 years ago
yes I believe it is carbed,Looks like its attached to the air filter cap.
Nexarianz 3 years ago
I hope they are not trying to get any gains at idle. they wont see anything there.
water injection is good for High compression engines & turbo to lower knock and pinging(temps). not to save fuel. too much and the gasses cool down too much making things worse.
I would try it on a lean mixture engine running at cruising speed not at idle.
is that van carbed?
coquivagabundo 3 years ago
SO THE UNANSWERED QUESTION HERE IS DID IT INCREASE THE GAS MILEAGE??? pROBaBLY NOT....
jaws99099 3 years ago
Would greater savings be possible by fooling the engine management system as its doubtless putting out too much fuel - the vehicle looks as though its young enough to have such a system!
swompwalker 3 years ago
i'd like to try doing this on my 81 rabbit diesel. i actually thought of this today since it rained this morning on my way to work and i noticed it ran much better, then at work i was repairing an ultra sonic nebulizer and thought how a few of them put together could make more fog that whats reaching my intake. And also a lot of diesel people use water misters to spray windshield washer fluid into the engine, the water/meth mix helps make a lot more power, but thats no secret.
trev0rbr 3 years ago
Back fire in the intake good by cell
Darkfoster22 3 years ago
lol didnt think of that till you mentioned it
jaws99099 3 years ago
This is simply "water injection", a technology that's been around since WWII (on aircraft). It helps eliminate predetonation by lowering the combustion chamber (and air intake) temps. I have ideas for something similar, but using HHO instead of water vapor. Good job and keep tweaking it!
MyNamelessGrave 3 years ago
excellent point you make
driveuhappy777 3 years ago
Is there any advantage to adding more fog? Perhaps 2 of these things. DId your engine idle rough at all? I used a hand held wand steam thing used for cleaning BBQ's etc and mine ran a little rough for a bit while injecting.
YiuTeub 4 years ago
The mix is too rich. You can usually expect a percent of the water to convert to hydrogen, steam does produce mechanical energy as well as any burned gas. So, both reactions work well together until the mixture is too rich. Too much water and it won't get hot enough to do either much less both. The same is true with fuel or you couldn't flood the engine.
FlavoredCoffeeGuy 3 years ago
I agree with that statement except for the Water to Hydrogen off the heat. In order for water to separate VIA heat its got to reach 2700 celcius and gasoline hits about 850 from what i understand.
YiuTeub 3 years ago
Looks serious! So whats your results on the gaz consumption? How big is the increase in gaz mileage ? Thanx!
InventorGadget 4 years ago
I got a 4mpg increase injecting the fog vapor.
fastimports3 4 years ago 3
How about a single cylinder, hand crank to start, proof of cocept motor.Just 16:1 compression and a small fogger on the intake.That's it.Surely some of you machine shop guys could pull this off!! Make our dreams come true!!!
dispicable 4 years ago
Kid you not. Using 2 or 3 fogger setups at the same time on what would amount to a diesel engine with low compression (About 16:1 to 17:1 comression range could VERY easily be the answer to this whole water car idea.But there is no engine built that way because the compression is to low and diesel would not fire. And trying to use a normal diesel engine would result in pre ignition which wouldn:t work.
dispicable 4 years ago
maybe this the key answer to hho.
ultra sonic humifier dissociate water to fog
with plasma ignition..water powered car can be archived.
dreamyear 4 years ago 2
The average car engine only has about a 17% heat efficiently rating. Just 17% goes into turning the wheels and most of the rest is heat lost out the exhaust and radiator.
okdon 4 years ago
My guess is that fogging cools the charge too much as it enters the combustion chamber where as the water gasket leaks allowed the ignition to bring the charge to peek temperature before it contacted the water on or near the top of the piston and quickly turned it into high pressure steam that continued to expand through the entire stroke after the combustion ceased its expansion.
okdon 4 years ago
I never had much luck with a fogger. But I did have an increase in milage when my head gasget leaked water into the cumbustion chambers. The mileage went from 20 mpg to 29 mpg, then after about 12 days the engine had a hydraulic lock up. It turned out that only 2 cylinders were involved. It was a 6 cylinder engine so only 1/3 of the engines output was enhanced by the leaky gasget. If all 6 cylinders had been leaking the mileage would have been about a 190% better.
okdon 4 years ago
I am also sure if you run a dyno with and without the water vapor you will see a power increase. Hot dry air produces less power than cool dense air. Water does two things as it cools air and increases density. Plug a hydrogen generator in the mix and I wonder what that would do for you? Good work guys.
ss442es 4 years ago
yer, my TDI honda civic is loads faster in cold foggy mornings, definitely noticeable.
whitenight639 4 years ago
Again, Excellent!
This will go well with my HHO Experiments, and the funny thing is I have a small fogger sitting right here.
Cheers to the information, all the better as we approach and era of water powered automobiles..
sirHOAX 4 years ago
higuy, can you tell me what exactly is a fogger please, where might i get infor on this fogger, im doing hydrogen tests aswell but keep blowing the chargers...ha ha ha ... thom.
NEON271156 4 years ago
you're just dreaming,no way blowing fog into engine can produce more hp.
run it by the profesional auto engineers at the
ENG-TIPS COM
and see what they have to say,good luck
maxaccel 4 years ago
Are you small minded or what? You ever ride around in the rain on the highway? Understand what is happening at that point when you intake on your engine is pulling in water vapor that is coming off the back of other cars while you drive.
Oh no! You just got proven wrong.. B-)
sirHOAX 4 years ago
What is the gain in mileage you have seen after using this method?
seshkanuri 4 years ago
So far 4mpg better gas mileage on gasoline
fastimports3 4 years ago
Great! Is this is DJ type fogger, modified for 12V or you are using another design?
seshkanuri 4 years ago
10 Head Mister Maker Fountain Pond Fogger
Ebay Item number: 200151510308
I use a 12v car inverter to get 110vac
fastimports3 4 years ago
If this really works as you say, this is a great discovery and will help the world immensely.
seshkanuri 4 years ago
@fastimports3 may i point out that these units run on 24v dc at around 6amps
yo can buy step up dc to dc convertor on ebay that will turn your cars 12v into 24v.
i use one in conjuntion with hho decat induction kit and i get about 10mpg more on a 1.4 pug 306
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
@fastimports3 you can buy dc-dc step up transformers from ebay use one of them
jimmyhackers 1 year ago
"So far 4mpg better gas mileage on gasoline "
So you mean you actually got 4MPG less using the cold fog?
OlafMeyer 4 years ago
yes vehicle gain 4mpg
fastimports3 4 years ago
Slick! :o)
/ChuckD....
roshidude 4 years ago
WOW
racheloagibson 4 years ago