set OS X free - license out OS X part 2

[chinchilla2302]

Niche* French word, you don't say 'nitch' it's more like 'neesh'.

[TheOnlyKingArthur]

MrBit you never cease to amaze with your knowledge on the subject. Excellent series of videos on this topic. Perhaps the best point you brought up was the bit about condescending remarks towards those who might not be able to afford the same products as others. Just because someone can afford to buy a Mercedes, doesn't mean that they are a better person than the guy who can't.

[darrenc12pdg123]

iatkos lolz

[blacksteel25]

OSX staying closed is repeating the same process that happened some twenty years ago. Several years of peak interest in Apple, then it dies off. Apple failing in the 90's was more on how limited software choices there were compared to windows and mostly WIn95 sealed the coffin on it. Cloned Macs didn't make Apple fail, Apple failed to stay current with demand during that time with software.

[cardmstr]

the way you talk confuses me...

you must be a programmer... you've got a hand action for every single word. (or italian)

[mrbit10]

lmao!!!! thanks so true.

[thebsdguy]

Your videos are great, but can't you condense them a bit? 20 minutes is a tad bit long :(

[JehxOne]

MR. BIT WHOOPED THAT ASS

Emeek I do respect you but your cmments are more emotional than Logical

[aussie114]

just goes to show how little faith people like emeek have in apple, emeek says he is hardcore apple and nothing is better then apple, apple is god and yet he has so little faith in his own statements that he fears the idea of OSX being licensed out to PCs, pretty much nowadays the only thing that is not in a PC is the mac motherboard, apple now uses intel, nVidia ati and even cheap shit PC ram cause apple hardware is nothing special, emeek proves this.

[oOADROo]

Well said Mr Bit, You getting really good at this, can't wait for part three.

BTW i love to see OS10 on a PC just to see emeek pissed off :D

[q8kuwait10]

شكرا جزيلا!

[mrbit10]

your welcome and thanks for watching

[ASCII808]

Great video Mr. Bit.

I still don't understand why people are elitist about their macs.I don't see why they can't make a cheap computer. really i build a 200$ computer and its stable as a rock, I am sure an oem could sell a 300$ computer with even better specs.

[endlessdream94]

We aren't "elitist" about our Macs. We just feel they work better and results show that to be for the most part - true! So its not being elitist at all. As for a PC for $200, apparently no OEM can do this since Dell's quality numbers are pretty pathetic. And as for being stable - well - Macs just are. I've had PCs and none have every been as stable. I had yet another few people over the weekend tell me how they want to switch to a Mac. And this is from usage, not ads.

[ASCII808]

I told you before you had a bad powersupply, I reason I say your elitist is because you think all Pc's are worse than macs. The reason why I bring up the 200$ Pc because its no excuse for an oem to have unstable hardware but for pure milking of the customers.

[endlessdream94]

And I told you that it sucked WAY before the power supply failed... duh. The horrid unstableness of the whole machine (OS and hardware) is what caused me to switch in the first place. The death of the power supply only set it in stone. And don't blame me because Dell and the others mild their customers causing them to have to buy new pcs every year or 2 due to failure. I got advice for them - get a Mac!

[thebsdguy]

You do realize that a faulty power supply can be culprit for instability problems?

Then again, you ARE a Mac user.

[endlessdream94]

Gee thats a funny smart-ass response, especially considering you don't know me nor do you know my experience with computers. I have a few PCs that still work... meaning the power supplies work fine. However - they are still really unstable. So it must not be the power supply.

These instability problems (aside from the faulty power supply) are what made me a Mac user in the first place. If you were trying to insult me - try again... that one failed.

[thebsdguy]

I've gone through a good number of pre-built and custom-built PCs, and only one had stability issues. I guess the biggest problem, in your case, exists between the keyboard and chair. :)

You should probably stay Mac. They're pretty fool-proof.

[endlessdream94]

I, and MANY others apparently, have also gone through a number of PCs with multiple stability issues (among other issues). The biggest problem certainly does not exist between the keyboard and the chair. And you mock Apple saying that a Mac is pretty much fool-proof... but shouldn't ALL computers be like this? They aren't.

Your attempt at mocking me failed again

[thebsdguy]

I, and MANY others apparently, have not had the stability issues that you're talking about.

If Windows is the unstable piece of shit you make it out to be, I shouldn't be able to run Firefox with 30 open tabs (I'm lazy) along with Windows 7 in VirtualBox among other things without a BSoD. Considering that I haven't had a BSoD in a VERY long time, well, maybe the problem does exist between the keyboard and chair.

[endlessdream94]

You and many others may not have had problems but the majority have. If this is the case then how come EVERY pc user has at some point experienced the bsod yet you say "kernel panic" to a mac user and they say "what's that?".

And i to multitask as you do with no issues or load on the os

so the problem still does not exist between the keyboard and chair - but with Microsoft.

[ASCII808]

the thing you don't understand is that its easier to screw up windows because windows gives the user more control than a mac user through the GUI (yeah, not terminal).

[endlessdream94]

Windows may give you more options but they are mostly all options dealing with how the gui looks rather than making it more functional. And in the case of some of the add ons people put on windows - well they are OS X features.

[thebsdguy]

Oh yes Windows isn't functional at all

*goes back to using applications from a much larger selection than that for the Mac*

[endlessdream94]

Windows functionality comes from users adding on features that make it look and work like Mac OS X. You never see add ons that make OS X look or work like Vista do ya?

*goes back to using applications written for BOTH windows and OS X since a "MAC" can run both*.

but seriously for every 1 app written for windows there are about 50 sucky ones. So whats your point? At least with the Mac apps the ratio of bad ones to good ones is not as bad.

[thebsdguy]

I have not added a single program, not ONE, that attempts to imitate Mac OS X to any of my computers. Your point is fucking bullshit.

Go back to dicking around on your Mac like 90% of Mac users.

[endlessdream94]

Thats nice that you haven't added anything to yours, but many users do in fact try to emulate the OS X environment. My point is not bullshit at all.

And I don't need to "go back to my Mac" because I'm sitting right here at it. Besides - I don't "dick" around on it - we leave that up to the Windows users that do this during their down time when not having to fix Windows. I use my Macs for video and audio editing

[thebsdguy]

A small number of users, yeah, but you have nothing to prove.

A small number of users buy Macs to run Windows, does that mean anything at all? No - they just like Apple hardware and prefer to use Windows for any number of reasons.

[endlessdream94]

"A small number of users, yeah, but you have nothing to prove."

and neither do you.

[thebsdguy]

I never said I did.

Sit down.

[endlessdream94]

"I never said I did.

Sit down."

Not sure what you are trying to say here... I'm already sitting. Been sitting since I got home.

??

[ASCII808]

I am not trying to fix windows, it works already the day I put the install disc.

[endlessdream94]

"I am not trying to fix windows, it works already the day I put the install disc."

Many Windows users are not able to fix windows unlike you. Since you have gained some knowledge of computers you are able to do this with no problem. I just think its cool that Apple has engineered OS X so well that hardly any of us Apple enthusiasts ever have to become an expert to get our OS to work properly and be efficient and not crash - its designed that way already for all users, unlike Windows sadly.

[ASCII808]

it does not crash, I have not done any tweaking. I just put the cd press install and then magic it just works, and been that way for awhile.

[endlessdream94]

I hope you realize its not nearly that seamless and easy for other users who use Windows. There is a reason why the BSOD is known by like everyone on the planet and that most Mac users have no idea what the kernel panic even is! And its mostly PC Windows fanboys telling Mac users about it since we've never seen it. But guarantee EVERY Windows user has experienced the bsod.

[ASCII808]

I bet not everyone has experienced a bsod that is a windows user. I guess that means I had a kernel panic all mac users have and will get least one sometime.

[endlessdream94]

I come to my logic about the bsod and the kernel panic basically since it seems everyone on the planet knows what the bsod is mainly bc they have had at least one computer in their lives (if not many) that have had it happen at least once. conversely mac users most often have never heard of the kernel panic and have to be shown what it is by pictures on google. i still haven't seen one on these two iMacs, and I haven't spoken to any mac users really that have had one happen.

[ASCII808]

7>3. I have more experience then you do so getting a kernel panic is not amazing because I have experienced many.

[endlessdream94]

I honestly don't consider your experience to be the "standard" when it comes to PCs and Macs. General consensus, regardless of MY experience is that the average PC Windows user experiences more problems than the average Mac user.

besides - you should never touch another Mac again ever in your life. every one you seem to touch has issues. its you dude, not the Macs.

btw - don't dismiss my 3+ years trouble free as "Nothing", it does indeed reflect the experiences of fellow users.

[ASCII808]

you had macs only for about 3 years you are not experienced, I have had macs for 7 years, and used them for 15 years.

[endlessdream94]

I've had a Mac for over 3 years but PCs for all of the time prior to that. I am not a tech wiz when it comes to computers. sadly rather than clouded assumptions my opinions are based on what actual users experience (yea i know crazy way to do this huh?). My general findings - PCs crash and see the bsod much more often than the average Mac crashes or sees the KP. My conclusion is that they are more stable based on these findings.

[tenshitaiakuma]

macs crash, happens to me

[ASCII808]

the reason why you may find more bad windows software is because its easy to make, and some of those programmers are using basic. Most Mac software is not very good, I usually use the same apps all of the time.

video player: VLC

music player: Winamp, Fubar,etc

bittorrent client: utorrent, vuze

dvd mounting software: daemon tools

programming apps: text editor, cygwin, Eclipse

dvd burning software: Nero, alcohol 120%

antivirus: NOD32, or common sense

graphics: photoshop

video: premiere, etc

[endlessdream94]

I use a great deal of non apple software as well and all of it is useful. I won't bore you with a long list but actually most Mac software is really well done and very useful. But I will say the best Mac software is the stuff from Apple. However many other vendors have created some kick-ass stuff that I also use. With all this great stuff I don't feel at all like I have "less software options" at all.

[ASCII808]

not really what I am talking about, I am talking about system utilities. registry editor in mac osx? etc. I know you can go into the system and libraries and edit the files individually, but windows has group policy editor, font editor,etc. a lot of windows features are not in your face, most users will not notice these features. Mac Osx has more features In the User interface but windows has more features for tweaking windows out of the box. I wonder is there telnet on mac osx? I am not sure.

[endlessdream94]

There are indeed may tweaks to different things in OS X, a lot of it is terminal stuff which I don't get into. Quite frankly I'm extremely happy with the gui of Leopard so I have no desire to change it. Everything is quite functional and useful right out of the box, no need to add anything to it.

[endlessdream94]

Are you talking about Steve Jobs? Honestly Steve Balmer at Microsoft is an arrogant prick! I think Jobs is funny, never felt he was arrogant. You should check out his speech from I think its Stanford a few years ago. Gives some insight on him.

[ThingsontheWeb]

OS10 on a PC has what to do with Steve Balmer? or even Steve Jobs? This was directed to emeek no?

[endlessdream94]

My comment followed someone else's comment that made a slam at Steve Jobs.

[AppleSoldier]

certified apple pc hardware is a pipe-dream that would never work. apple dont need the hassle to oversee quality control of pc OEMs

[mrbit10]

its not that difficult most of the work is in loader, but they run on intel, they do the same now, all that is required is an OEM comply to standards. What is the difference with an OEM, they still have to get the board and all the GPU issues are the same via another OEM

[mrbit10]

also as i said in your vid, they already have QC certs for existing products. This is not PPC or RISC days. MOreover the OEMs pay to have the privilege to sell, what is the issue?

[0501701]

no. never again...

[brimestone]

mrBit10 you are a GURU... my respects to you...

[mrbit10]

thank you :)

[dragonballjiujitsu]

One of my major points is that I don't want Apple to be the Microsoft of today. If it was it would have the same problems, or most of them. Right now Apple tries very hard to make a much better product. The bigger it gets the more of this it will lose.

Also, more users= more exploits, I for one don't want to see that.

[AppleSoldier]

Make OEM do what apple tells them? Only let it run on certain pc hardware? LOLOLOL, thats no different than it is now only its mac instead of special pc stuff. oem wont even go eu yet you think all this stuff will happen. OEM making hardware just for OSX? lol Tell people with older machines to fuck off? If you cant see the flaws in this your Crazy especially in production. It wont work mrbit. Your assuming the OEM would just BUILD apple certified hardware, lol. so two lines of machines huh? lol

[mrbit10]

uhhh it is different there are more points of sale and many more consumer choices when lichened out to OEMs, can you not understand that the more points of sale the more OSX would grow beyond one mac at a time????

[mrbit10]

Lol emeek, i do not know what to say, we can discuss technology further in PM, but your arguments are emotional and not technical. You simply cannot install OSX on an older PC unless it has EFI or a hack that tricks OSX to believe it has its loaders.

[mrbit10]

but that is a windows mentality. OSX demands it has the security binaries and EFI, that guarantees certification of hardware and the OEMs would comply to get the business. Windows is trying to move this direction but has so much weight that it is not as nimble and thus gets market resistance to its movies. As for exploits they occur already and get patched or logged, see a site called secunia.

[endlessdream94]

I completely agree!!! I don't mind being a minority when it comes to using a computer. And I'd be curious to see how market share numbers stack up against actual usage numbers. Sure PCs way outsell Macs, but generally from what I find is that Mac users keep then longer and use them longer... so naturally less Macs will need to be sold.

Great comment btw... I agree.

[thomashome05]

Like PowerComputing they did good computer's but all they cared about was money!

[mrbit10]

yea, but the problem was that Apple could not deliver on the demand. They had 11.5 billion so the demand for macs over the clones were there but Apple could not keep pace, their production and logistics sucked. Thus a consumer orders a mac but cannot get it, goes and gets a clone.

[AppleSoldier]

excuses, excuses. like i said in my last video. "it was differetn back then" blah blah. If your idea of freeing OSX is SOOO greta that why havent apple done it MRBIT? if its a win win for apple why havent they done it yet? You can ramble all you want, we have proof it didnt work not proof it did. Regardless of what yu say about inventory and all that crap. apple is about experience NOT MARKET SHARE. Again can apple guarantee the experience? To say yes is foolish

[mrbit10]

hey I supplied the evidence it is in the description, ignore it if you wish but I will argue against propaganda when it is stated. Next I already PMd you as to why it has not yet occurred, why the different attitude in comments now? We had a great discussion???

[mrbit10]

that experience that you speak of is exactly why Macs as in hardware will continue to sell. But not all consumers want that, you are arguing to convince people to like your consumer purchases, that never works, you must make more options for the consumer.

[ShockaSlim]

Eric, you are quite possibly one of the silliest people I have ever seen in my life. The music industry is DYING because their "great ideas" suck so bad. Just because Apple doesn't do it, it doesn't mean that its wrong.

[Physhi]

I wouldn't say music industry, but rather most major record labels. I haven't bought a CD from a major record label in years, around 2000-2001. Most of the stuff I listen to now is mostly imported, and the others being independent artists that give their music away.

Ah, and I am running OSX10 on a custom-built computer via EFI-X. Not a Hackintosh OS, but a pure OSX environment. Updates work wonderfully. Computer cost me just under 500USD, since that's really all I can afford.

[azaas]

hmmm the information that you give out on this video is highly appreciated!!! I had no clue about those things and to be honest i am one of those guys who are scared of licensing for no good reason whatsoever... meh i may change my mind with those videos. Looking forward to part 3 ;)

thank you for all your wonderful videos! Legend in my book :)

[mrbit10]

thank you for watching :)

[mrbit10]

yes