He is not a Messiah but he is the right man for the job. McCain's choosing Palin did the trick. His first big decision cost him the election. I pray for his safety and hope that he does well. Good Americans would hope for no less.
AP is always full of shit. Inacurracies abound such as he is "behind in fundraising." The Obama campaign is raising more money than the McCain campaign but maybe the AP has no idea how elections work but a Presidential campaign's true assets are measured by the individual campaign PLUS the party's funds. The RNC is outraising the DNC and Obama giving McCain a definite advantage in funds.
FIND Bin Laden! Kill him! Until you avenge the greatest evil ever perpetrated against our great nation, you tough guy talk is total B.S. Conservatives opposed F.D.R.'s crusade against Hitler. Bush's family supplied Hitler with steel from Ohio. It's all in Kevin Phillip's(a REPUBLICAN who worked for Nixon)book. I agree we need less pacifists and more hawks in the Democratic party, but at least we have a history of fighting evil successfully.
the republicans couldn't stop 9/11. They can't catch Bin Laden. Their national security reputation is based on classic Orwellian doublethink, just like their image of budgetary sanity. They actually have a horrible record on job growth and natinal debt, and their war policy sucks in so far as they haven't yet avenged the 9/11 victims.
In November no matter what the liberal media says, most whites will vote for McCain, Obama cannot win with the Black and guilt ridden liberal white votes...
No it was the guilty whites, better hope that Obama can keep America safe like Bush did... just one attack and he's done, but if it does come, I just hope it happens to a blue state.
Right, I didn't know there were so many guilty whites in places like Virginia and North Carolina. Yeah 9/11 happened 9 months into Bush's term in which he demoted Richard Clarke with a memo saying Bin Laden determined to strike US. But let me guess - that's Bush's fault right? 9/11 happened in a blue state. Like a typical conservative who puts party about country in wishing bad events in states that are non-Repukelican. It's no wonder the GOP has lost the Senate, House, and now Presidency.
The GOP lost almost EVERY single battleground and even lost strongholds like Virginia and North Carolina. Yet chickenhawks like you get other people to fight their wars for them. Keep it up, the GOP has already lost 2 election cycles and will only continue to lose more. Just look at the RNC and it's Chip Saltsman fiasco. They're idiotic to think that just electing someone black will be enough to get African Americans or any other minority to vote for them.
LOL... Obami is already backing out of his promises tard, many pitfalls await Obami, One anti gun legislation and the battleground states go back to the GOP, Will there be a terrorist attack while Obami is at the guard? Will the huge welfare projects be failures? And actually the GOP doesn't need black voters, just the guilty whites who jumped the fence, when their Affirmative Action president fucks up, and he will... Moderates will run back crying to the GOP... Obami is a one termer.
Yes, sure, keep thinking that. Is that why the GOP is going with WHATEVER he is putting out esp. the stimulus package? It's sad I know for conservative nutcases to be out of power. What happened to socialism? Now all of a sudden GOP pundits said he won on "conservative" themes. Moderates were freaked out by nutcases like Palin who is the supreme example of affirmative action. Please elect Jindal and Palin for 2012 so even MORE will come towards the Democrat side. Please run Sarah Failin'. ha ha.
I agree with NJRocks281, goldenskatearmy is mindless U.S. hating pacifist trash, he says we are "not winning if bodies are coming home". What misguided idealistic historically ignorant garbage he is saying. You may say "ass clown" but you have far more sense than he(goldenskatearmy). McCAin 08.
John McCain is NOT Bush, but OBAMA would be the next JIMMY CARTER
Like Jimmy Carter, who presided over 15 percent unemployment, 24 percent mortgage interest rates, gas lines, gas RATIONING, runaway inflation, not to mention terrorist's attacking American citizens with IMPUNITY, Obama would usher a change that would make the U.S. into the whipping boy of the world.
Obama is full of shit. He can't do everything he says. No one can. John McCain is better than Bush cus he's gonna make the economy better. Obama Bin Laden is just gonna ruin everything
Obama inexperienced shows when he keeps talking about "change" if he's elected. In perspective, working for the world's biggest corporation, upgrading a PC Operating system would take years to implement. Now we're talking about much more complex & diverse U.S.A. What a politician with empty promises. A fatal flaw presidential candidate,only supported by one obvious race & youngster savvy dot comers. Independents/Sw.rep & traditional Dems would definitely switch vote for Mccain in Nov.
obama is even worse. He has NO judgement. He only votes along with party line.
All he has been trying to do: find a loophole of the DNC primary system to beat Hillary.
Wake up Obama ppl. Have you seen his performance in the penn debate with Hillary? He kept his head down and repeated what Hillary said. He knows nothing about foreign affairs, economy. Now he only reads the script from his strategist. How can he make change?????
he wasn't in the congress when voting for the war. He only spoke against it.
He was quiet at the DNC because there were a lot of dem leaders who voted for the war, including his mentor -john kerry.
Its Obama. He gave a lot of speech but then disappear. He talked a lot about immigration. but he was never in the committee. It was Mccain who has been working on the immigration issue for years. so what u buy? rhetorics? or actions?
i can tell you what I'm not buying, another bush 3rd term. simple as that. I have far more trust in obama then mccain. you're right, obama doesn't have the biggest track record to follow, however he DID Vote against the war, and he is not gonna take lobbyist money like mccain. mccain is another bush, wake up man.
1. If you have time-reverse machine, then u can rewrite history. Obama came to the congress in 2004, how could he vote against the war in 2002? Maybe that's the kind of miraculous change that obama supporters believe.
2. Mccain is a straight talker, who world knows. Obama always lies. try google the story about how obama lied about his so called uncle's millitary record.
3. Mccain is at odds with bush. whole world knows. Are u those young liberal? clinton is right ' I want u young people to think.' u are not voting for american idol. Pls look at the record, don't be misled by empty slogans.
4. I'm an economist. Obama will ruin the economy. His proposal of increasing corporate tax,gov't expenditure and denouncing NAFTA will make CHANGE-change back to 1980's- deep recession. The kind of change is what French gov't trying hard to get rid of. Again, pls "think".
That's obama's reaction to Mccain's and Clinton's challenges of no-mediator debate at town-halls- simply ignore them,run away.
U wrote a few days ago that ppl don't accept 'fact'. Pls verify the fact that how can Obama vote against the war in 2002 but he only came to the congress in 2004? If u can't answer it, pls go home and think about u are voting for american idol or president. We can't vote for a person just because of his charisma and look. Too bad,that's what most young ppl are thinking.
i'd rather have obama over mccain because simply mccain is just another bush. and the polls show americas majority agrees also. you're one of few buddy.
Pacifist liberal, historically ignorant, and you discredit your argument by revealing that you are unwilling to accept the importance of the U.S. mission in Iraq and Afghanistan, to create a response to Islamic Extremism and to promote democracies /moderate governments in areas of the world where manipulation and perversion of religion by corrupt regimes is the direct cause of extremist ideology and terrorism. Good job being so liberal you sound like and ignorant moron w/ your bullshit on McCain
says who? are you aware of all the times the war has been reported to be going well when its not. you have no idea whats really going on. all I know is when a dead bodies are coming home, we are not winning any war.
Says me assclown. I have been looking at the casualty stats every day for years. Unlike you im sure. This Month is so non violent it makes democrats look like pricks. Last month and the month before were good too. The war being won easily. Too bad your too ignorant to know any better.
sorry, i don't listen to stats by people who use the word "assclown." you must be imature, or real young, either way you're not a credible source for anything.
latinamajor, Since Obama won the nomination, the DNC does not accept PAC and lobbyist money any more. That is a huge change he's made and in the right direction for true political reform.
Mc'Cain doesn't have much knowledge about foreign policy. He recently confused Iranian involvement with dueling factions in Iraq. This was probably his 'senior moment' according to Brit Hume of Fox News.
What is?: McCain is of the "Old" and "Past"(I'm not talking about his age although it fits), I'm referring to his ideas, filtered perceptions, entrenched beliefs and conditioned opinions. Obama is of the "New" -- the now, the future and beyond.
go to hell flip floper. people dont relize that Mcbush doesnt remember what he said two minutes later thats why his a flip floper jerk. This guy is worst than Bush atleast bush remembers what he said last year. Vote for Mccain Have the same. I rather vote for a Black person have a change in my life and secure our future than vote for flip floper.
have anyone realize how john mc cain tell so many lies first he was against things now hes for things do he have all timers somebody please tell their grand father go home hes to OLD GO HOME GRAND PAW
mccain, stop lying, please, how can he even talk about more spending by obama, when we are spending 12-15 billion a month on a bogus war, giving blackwater no bid contracts, halliburton totally ripping off the taxpayer with toastergate at the pentegon, will we ever have a real news channel ever again, that asks the hardcore questions...
CHANGE, yeah he knows bush is bad, he is to old, 72 is to old, and we dont need 90 yr old senetors on the hill either, whats next, oxygen masks, walkers, come on , 3 term max now in congress period....
I wish the media would ask mccain how he intends to keep paying for the wars with the economy going broke, give the tax cuts to the super rich, he is the biggest flip flopper i have ever seen, hows that campaign finance reform going that he came up with.
When is the braking point, we send another 600 million to iraq for there police, while programs for police here get cut, there egos and greed are killing us, not terrorists..
I can either vote for an old guy who has never had to live off of the government nipple or an ivy league lawyer who keeps insisting that he's "a candidate of change".
Let's check out how different Obama is from what we're used to:
ivy league education -check
lawyer - check
rich - check
part of the 2 party establishment - check
rhetoric of "hope" over REAL policies and solutions - check
how exactly is this guy any different from what we've already got in DC?
one of many things that are different are his lack of "owing one" to corparations around the U.S. when he becomes president. bush has intrest in McCain becoming president-why else would he throw shots at Obama- -Obama 08-
you don't think Obama is bought and paid for by special interests? lol
That dude is up to his ass in it. He's a candidate of the Democratic party for chrissakes... notice how we have had congressional terms that were controlled by both the Dems and the GOP and fucking NOTHING changed in terms of restricting special interests in DC... NOTHING.
No offense, anyone would be light years ahead of Bush but that's not saying much. We need REAL change (an end to the Democrat and Republican Partys)
1st — Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
Creating a fundamentalist Islamic government is the path to democracy in the Middle East? Iraq has murdered or drove away 400,000 Christians. Does McCain even know that? McCain, go back to your lobbyists.
yay!!! obama won!!
shambayati195 3 years ago
He is not a Messiah but he is the right man for the job. McCain's choosing Palin did the trick. His first big decision cost him the election. I pray for his safety and hope that he does well. Good Americans would hope for no less.
pasisok 3 years ago
AP is always full of shit. Inacurracies abound such as he is "behind in fundraising." The Obama campaign is raising more money than the McCain campaign but maybe the AP has no idea how elections work but a Presidential campaign's true assets are measured by the individual campaign PLUS the party's funds. The RNC is outraising the DNC and Obama giving McCain a definite advantage in funds.
TrojanLoyalist 3 years ago
holy fucking shit? so is this the AP's way of saying they endorse John McCain for president or what?
WHAT THE FUCK?
oldhacks 3 years ago
FIND Bin Laden! Kill him! Until you avenge the greatest evil ever perpetrated against our great nation, you tough guy talk is total B.S. Conservatives opposed F.D.R.'s crusade against Hitler. Bush's family supplied Hitler with steel from Ohio. It's all in Kevin Phillip's(a REPUBLICAN who worked for Nixon)book. I agree we need less pacifists and more hawks in the Democratic party, but at least we have a history of fighting evil successfully.
cartoon806 3 years ago
we dont need more hawks. we need more liberals with a spine in office.
oldhacks 3 years ago
the republicans couldn't stop 9/11. They can't catch Bin Laden. Their national security reputation is based on classic Orwellian doublethink, just like their image of budgetary sanity. They actually have a horrible record on job growth and natinal debt, and their war policy sucks in so far as they haven't yet avenged the 9/11 victims.
cartoon806 3 years ago
In November no matter what the liberal media says, most whites will vote for McCain, Obama cannot win with the Black and guilt ridden liberal white votes...
thomasward00 3 years ago 3
Exactly!!! Thomas. Obama was not able to win with blacks and guilty whites alone.
rakrobn 3 years ago
No it was the guilty whites, better hope that Obama can keep America safe like Bush did... just one attack and he's done, but if it does come, I just hope it happens to a blue state.
thomasward00 3 years ago
Right, I didn't know there were so many guilty whites in places like Virginia and North Carolina. Yeah 9/11 happened 9 months into Bush's term in which he demoted Richard Clarke with a memo saying Bin Laden determined to strike US. But let me guess - that's Bush's fault right? 9/11 happened in a blue state. Like a typical conservative who puts party about country in wishing bad events in states that are non-Repukelican. It's no wonder the GOP has lost the Senate, House, and now Presidency.
rakrobn 3 years ago
There are alot of northern democrats that have moved to Virgiania and NC, that along with large black populations, and there ya go...
They had to have their affirmative action empty suit.
thomasward00 3 years ago
The GOP lost almost EVERY single battleground and even lost strongholds like Virginia and North Carolina. Yet chickenhawks like you get other people to fight their wars for them. Keep it up, the GOP has already lost 2 election cycles and will only continue to lose more. Just look at the RNC and it's Chip Saltsman fiasco. They're idiotic to think that just electing someone black will be enough to get African Americans or any other minority to vote for them.
rakrobn 3 years ago
LOL... Obami is already backing out of his promises tard, many pitfalls await Obami, One anti gun legislation and the battleground states go back to the GOP, Will there be a terrorist attack while Obami is at the guard? Will the huge welfare projects be failures? And actually the GOP doesn't need black voters, just the guilty whites who jumped the fence, when their Affirmative Action president fucks up, and he will... Moderates will run back crying to the GOP... Obami is a one termer.
thomasward00 3 years ago
Yes, sure, keep thinking that. Is that why the GOP is going with WHATEVER he is putting out esp. the stimulus package? It's sad I know for conservative nutcases to be out of power. What happened to socialism? Now all of a sudden GOP pundits said he won on "conservative" themes. Moderates were freaked out by nutcases like Palin who is the supreme example of affirmative action. Please elect Jindal and Palin for 2012 so even MORE will come towards the Democrat side. Please run Sarah Failin'. ha ha.
rakrobn 3 years ago
You can worry about 2012 after your Messiah makes it for 4 years...
thomasward00 3 years ago
@thomasward00 LOOKS LIKE HE WON AND WILL WIN AGAIN YOU BITCH
blackmoney37 8 months ago
Vote goes for Mccain :) Obama is a communist, and a racist..
Taruball 3 years ago 4
you are an idiot
powerone1 3 years ago
I agree with Taruball, Obama is a Marxist and a racist.
stephenjackson1 3 years ago
if hes such an idiot, than prove him wrong...
frostjackMP 3 years ago
if McCain is another Bush !WHICH HE IS NOT!he would win because Bush won two terms
jis2cool 3 years ago
o my fucking god, John McCain is not another bush you fucking mindless sheep liberal scum. Your so ignorant and spoonfed.
NJRocks281 3 years ago
I agree with NJRocks281, goldenskatearmy is mindless U.S. hating pacifist trash, he says we are "not winning if bodies are coming home". What misguided idealistic historically ignorant garbage he is saying. You may say "ass clown" but you have far more sense than he(goldenskatearmy). McCAin 08.
stephenjackson1 3 years ago
wow i can answer this bush will teach this old bag how to cheat the vote count very easy bush did it twice
blanenbishop 3 years ago
John McCain is NOT Bush, but OBAMA would be the next JIMMY CARTER
Like Jimmy Carter, who presided over 15 percent unemployment, 24 percent mortgage interest rates, gas lines, gas RATIONING, runaway inflation, not to mention terrorist's attacking American citizens with IMPUNITY, Obama would usher a change that would make the U.S. into the whipping boy of the world.
caribebombon 3 years ago
Well said, but these liberals don't bother with association of history with their liberal narrative. great point.
stephenjackson1 3 years ago
Obama is full of shit. He can't do everything he says. No one can. John McCain is better than Bush cus he's gonna make the economy better. Obama Bin Laden is just gonna ruin everything
SuperSharpie010 3 years ago
you just made up a bunch of crap without any facts or evidence. way to make a prediction based off nothing, you make a horrible point.
goldenskatearmy 3 years ago 2
How does mccain beat obama in november? I don't think he can.
burger1376 3 years ago 2
Obama inexperienced shows when he keeps talking about "change" if he's elected. In perspective, working for the world's biggest corporation, upgrading a PC Operating system would take years to implement. Now we're talking about much more complex & diverse U.S.A. What a politician with empty promises. A fatal flaw presidential candidate,only supported by one obvious race & youngster savvy dot comers. Independents/Sw.rep & traditional Dems would definitely switch vote for Mccain in Nov.
globalmethane 3 years ago
Jim Johnson is working for obama..
obama swims in corruption..
az101010 3 years ago
obama is even worse. He has NO judgement. He only votes along with party line.
All he has been trying to do: find a loophole of the DNC primary system to beat Hillary.
Wake up Obama ppl. Have you seen his performance in the penn debate with Hillary? He kept his head down and repeated what Hillary said. He knows nothing about foreign affairs, economy. Now he only reads the script from his strategist. How can he make change?????
econfkw 3 years ago
votes along the party line? Obama was one of the only who voted against the war.
goldenskatearmy 3 years ago
he wasn't in the congress when voting for the war. He only spoke against it.
He was quiet at the DNC because there were a lot of dem leaders who voted for the war, including his mentor -john kerry.
Its Obama. He gave a lot of speech but then disappear. He talked a lot about immigration. but he was never in the committee. It was Mccain who has been working on the immigration issue for years. so what u buy? rhetorics? or actions?
econfkw 3 years ago
i can tell you what I'm not buying, another bush 3rd term. simple as that. I have far more trust in obama then mccain. you're right, obama doesn't have the biggest track record to follow, however he DID Vote against the war, and he is not gonna take lobbyist money like mccain. mccain is another bush, wake up man.
goldenskatearmy 3 years ago
1. If you have time-reverse machine, then u can rewrite history. Obama came to the congress in 2004, how could he vote against the war in 2002? Maybe that's the kind of miraculous change that obama supporters believe.
2. Mccain is a straight talker, who world knows. Obama always lies. try google the story about how obama lied about his so called uncle's millitary record.
.....
econfkw 3 years ago
3. Mccain is at odds with bush. whole world knows. Are u those young liberal? clinton is right ' I want u young people to think.' u are not voting for american idol. Pls look at the record, don't be misled by empty slogans.
4. I'm an economist. Obama will ruin the economy. His proposal of increasing corporate tax,gov't expenditure and denouncing NAFTA will make CHANGE-change back to 1980's- deep recession. The kind of change is what French gov't trying hard to get rid of. Again, pls "think".
econfkw 3 years ago
you make so little sense I can't even give you a response, sorry. is english a second language for you?
goldenskatearmy 3 years ago 3
That's obama's reaction to Mccain's and Clinton's challenges of no-mediator debate at town-halls- simply ignore them,run away.
U wrote a few days ago that ppl don't accept 'fact'. Pls verify the fact that how can Obama vote against the war in 2002 but he only came to the congress in 2004? If u can't answer it, pls go home and think about u are voting for american idol or president. We can't vote for a person just because of his charisma and look. Too bad,that's what most young ppl are thinking.
econfkw 3 years ago
i'd rather have obama over mccain because simply mccain is just another bush. and the polls show americas majority agrees also. you're one of few buddy.
goldenskatearmy 3 years ago
Pacifist liberal, historically ignorant, and you discredit your argument by revealing that you are unwilling to accept the importance of the U.S. mission in Iraq and Afghanistan, to create a response to Islamic Extremism and to promote democracies /moderate governments in areas of the world where manipulation and perversion of religion by corrupt regimes is the direct cause of extremist ideology and terrorism. Good job being so liberal you sound like and ignorant moron w/ your bullshit on McCain
stephenjackson1 3 years ago
and look at the war now, july is the safest month ever
NJRocks281 3 years ago
says who? are you aware of all the times the war has been reported to be going well when its not. you have no idea whats really going on. all I know is when a dead bodies are coming home, we are not winning any war.
goldenskatearmy 3 years ago
Says me assclown. I have been looking at the casualty stats every day for years. Unlike you im sure. This Month is so non violent it makes democrats look like pricks. Last month and the month before were good too. The war being won easily. Too bad your too ignorant to know any better.
NJRocks281 3 years ago
sorry, i don't listen to stats by people who use the word "assclown." you must be imature, or real young, either way you're not a credible source for anything.
goldenskatearmy 3 years ago
go to the website icasualties
I cant give links on youtube. google icasualties
NJRocks281 3 years ago
latinamajor, Since Obama won the nomination, the DNC does not accept PAC and lobbyist money any more. That is a huge change he's made and in the right direction for true political reform.
hillhippie 3 years ago
Mc'Cain doesn't have much knowledge about foreign policy. He recently confused Iranian involvement with dueling factions in Iraq. This was probably his 'senior moment' according to Brit Hume of Fox News.
Swayingpines 3 years ago
What is?: McCain is of the "Old" and "Past"(I'm not talking about his age although it fits), I'm referring to his ideas, filtered perceptions, entrenched beliefs and conditioned opinions. Obama is of the "New" -- the now, the future and beyond.
OscTan 3 years ago
go to hell flip floper. people dont relize that Mcbush doesnt remember what he said two minutes later thats why his a flip floper jerk. This guy is worst than Bush atleast bush remembers what he said last year. Vote for Mccain Have the same. I rather vote for a Black person have a change in my life and secure our future than vote for flip floper.
vahe1986 3 years ago
Mcbush doesnt remember what he said two minutes later thats why his a flip floper jerk.
LMAO!!!!!! XD
I'm voting for Obama
OBAMA '08
67holla 3 years ago
have anyone realize how john mc cain tell so many lies first he was against things now hes for things do he have all timers somebody please tell their grand father go home hes to OLD GO HOME GRAND PAW
theblock77 3 years ago
mccain, stop lying, please, how can he even talk about more spending by obama, when we are spending 12-15 billion a month on a bogus war, giving blackwater no bid contracts, halliburton totally ripping off the taxpayer with toastergate at the pentegon, will we ever have a real news channel ever again, that asks the hardcore questions...
JACK23352335 3 years ago 2
CHANGE, yeah he knows bush is bad, he is to old, 72 is to old, and we dont need 90 yr old senetors on the hill either, whats next, oxygen masks, walkers, come on , 3 term max now in congress period....
JACK23352335 3 years ago
I wish the media would ask mccain how he intends to keep paying for the wars with the economy going broke, give the tax cuts to the super rich, he is the biggest flip flopper i have ever seen, hows that campaign finance reform going that he came up with.
When is the braking point, we send another 600 million to iraq for there police, while programs for police here get cut, there egos and greed are killing us, not terrorists..
JACK23352335 3 years ago 2
great...
I can either vote for an old guy who has never had to live off of the government nipple or an ivy league lawyer who keeps insisting that he's "a candidate of change".
Let's check out how different Obama is from what we're used to:
ivy league education -check
lawyer - check
rich - check
part of the 2 party establishment - check
rhetoric of "hope" over REAL policies and solutions - check
how exactly is this guy any different from what we've already got in DC?
latinamajor 3 years ago
one of many things that are different are his lack of "owing one" to corparations around the U.S. when he becomes president. bush has intrest in McCain becoming president-why else would he throw shots at Obama- -Obama 08-
pkilla2222 3 years ago
you don't think Obama is bought and paid for by special interests? lol
That dude is up to his ass in it. He's a candidate of the Democratic party for chrissakes... notice how we have had congressional terms that were controlled by both the Dems and the GOP and fucking NOTHING changed in terms of restricting special interests in DC... NOTHING.
No offense, anyone would be light years ahead of Bush but that's not saying much. We need REAL change (an end to the Democrat and Republican Partys)
latinamajor 3 years ago
From the Iraq contitution:
Article (2):
1st — Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
Creating a fundamentalist Islamic government is the path to democracy in the Middle East? Iraq has murdered or drove away 400,000 Christians. Does McCain even know that? McCain, go back to your lobbyists.
deanrdd 3 years ago
Is that really his strategy? If so, McCain is a strange little guy.
allencrider 3 years ago
how does mccain beat obama in november?
(a) go back in time and convince his parents not to get together.
(b) arrange a scandal involving obama, an underage male prostitute and a farm animal
(c) convince all the good voters of appalachia that obama is islamic terrorist from iraq and has weapons of mass destruction
(d) convince working class white voters obama wants to give their jobs to working class black voters
otherwise, barack obama is the next president of the united states.
obama '08
jasonsadventure 3 years ago
How does McCain '08 beat McCain '00 or McCain '04?
dogstar7 3 years ago 3