Yes I agree that's the way it should be. I'm a firefighter and go into dangerous situations all the time. I would die tomorrow for my wife and kids as you said and would gladly do it to be with Jesus Christ. Men and Women in this country need to wake up. Thank you for not being easy on the men because too many have become a bunch of wimps and these young men and women don't have a clue what a real man is. Children need a loving father in the home to help raise them.
This video puts it all in perspective, - it really sucks when, as a woman, I find out I've far more guts than certain cowardly males, who wimp out or hide behind me at the first tiny hint of IMAGINED trouble, let alone REAL trouble
It makes me weary and sigh, wondering what happened to REAL men - at least you and Mark are proof they exist.
p.s. :) i also think (this is personal opinion please don't beat me up) that women should be willing to die for husband, children, etc (others in general to be honest!) as Christ did for us. i personally would feel awful if i knew i had a chance to save someone and i lived in their stead. there actually is no biblical reference that backs up the point that women should be treated "specially". I'm all for equality and chivalry dont get me wrong but not just by the man - it's a two team thing
yes, men should be all this, mark driscoll is absolutely right, but i by no means believe women should be dependent on men because at the end of the day, thats all they are - men. women should be independent and able to fend for themselves, as many sad stories about widows in the bible should warn us!
We've heard about all the sacrifices men are expected to make for wives, in this day of the westernized, feminized, selfish, manipulative, controlling Christian woman what are wives offering in return? Or did you actually believe that you were entitled to the generosity of a man just by your very right of birth alone? Read every word of 1 Cor 7 and you'll know. My favorite? :38
The man who marries the virgin does well but he who marries her not does EVEN BETTER!!!
See, that is the problem with an ideology such as this. It makes the woman into a non-entity, almost! The wives are something (yes, "thing") to be taken care of, with no agency of their own. I am a Christian, and I'd much rather have a husband who respects me as an equal than one who treats me as a child with no mind. This guy makes me sick to my stomach, and I'm sure his wife is miserable.
@TheVampireLucinda It's a caring act of compassionate love and a Christian duty. It's not something to belittle women. It's backed up by the Bible, It's because we love you, no other reason apart from that, you are seeing this from completely the wrong perspective.
@ODM108 But, if you and I were wed (assuming you're a male), and I loved you, I would want to die for you just as much as you would want to die for me. You see, I would be a woman--a wife--who does not completely depend on her husband for everything. Women like that eventually tire out their poor men, who have to carry the entire burden of family. It's not fair to the men, who must do this, not to the women who must suppress their own love, and spirits in order to make the men feel important.
@TheVampireLucinda It's a man's responsibility to protect his wife and children, and If in that protecting he has to die for them, then he should. Could you give me an example of where you might give your life instead of your husband and your children?
@ODM108 Sure! It's a very common scenario in the city: A robber breaks into a family's two-story home. My husband (I am not married, by the way, so the husband is fictional) and I hear the glass breaking, and hear footsteps coming up the stairs. My thoughts would entirely be on protecting my husband and children, honestly. So, we would both grab our weapons, say a prayer, and go into the hallway to meet the robber. There's a better chance that we'll take him down together, rather than one of us.
@ODM108 (cont.) Of course, the robber may still get the best of us. He may have a gun. If he points and aims at my husband, or worse, my children, you can bet that I'm NOT going to sit there and cry as he kills them. I will charge the robber, hoping to at least knock him off his feet, and, at best, disarm him. I'm sure my husband will be doing the same. Again, our chances are greater together. And if the robber is a sadist, and says one of us must die...I'd gladly offer myself. For love.
@TheVampireLucinda Again I'd like to point out that the context that Mark uses this in the context of women and children being prioritised, he is saying that It is every man's duty to sacrifice himself for his wife and children, because that's what a Christian man would want to do, just as Jesus sacrificed himself for his bride (the church). It's not about a petty fight about who is being sexist, It's a loving, compassionate, brave act that a husband would want to do.
@ODM108 I understand your point, really I do; it's just that I'd much rather be with someone who doesn't look at me in that way. Under all that "compassion," after all, is a very strong statement: "I am greater than you." I have no issues with the comparison of husband/wife and Jesus/the Church. But, really, sometimes Christians take it too far, and I believe that this is one of those cases. Yes, a man should want to die for his family. But I do too. Love overrides even my alleged gender role.
Where does Mark suggest in this that you are someone with no agency? You don't think there is no nobility, no righteousness, no bravery, no masculinity, no strength, no love in a man willing to die for you?
@eltronrangamma Hmm...It's more or less implicit in his statement, in my opinion. It doesn't come out as strongly in this video, but I'm guessing you've heard some of his other stuff. Many of his ideas are based on the notion that a woman is really only a compliment to a man (specifically, her husband). You see, I think that men and women can indeed be complimentary, but to each other; it is not a one way street. And...no. A man willing to die for me is unnecessary. Jesus already did that. :)
@eltronrangamma Hmm...It's more or less implicit in his statement, in my opinion. It doesn't come out as strongly in this video, but I'm guessing you've heard some of his other stuff. Many of his ideas are based on the notion that a woman is really only a compliment to a man (specifically, her husband). You see, I think that men and women can indeed be complimentary, but to each other; it is not a one way street. And...no. A man willing to die for me is unnecessary. Jesus already did that. :)
If Jesus didn't step up to be a man, you wouldn't be saying that, trust me. Just respect that a guy is willing to die for you. I've seen his videos and been following him for a year and a half. While the guy can be borderline chauvinistic, I've seen nothing from that is not biblical. In any case vampire, what do you think the Bible says what a woman is and what her role is in relation to a man?
If Jesus didn't step up to be a man, you wouldn't be saying that, trust me. Just respect that a guy is willing to die for you. I've seen his videos and been following him for a year and a half. While the guy can be borderline chauvinistic, I've seen nothing from that is not biblical. In any case vampire, what do you think the Bible says what a woman is and what her role is in relation to a man?
I am a true believer in Jesus and I have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any church. When you say "The Church" which one are you referring to ? There are literrally thousands. Within christianity alone there are thousands of different sects, some of whom actually do physical battle with each other over minute differences of interpretation. Look at your words, they are a message of division and separation. That is not Jesus teaching. That is the definition of satan.
Jesus bride was never ever the church. It was the human race. All of us, not just Mars Hill people. Stop putting words in Jesus mouth that he never ever spoke.
But I often feel offended when the current culture of this world denies men respect due. I feel like I've been kicked in the nuts, spat on, and THEN asked to die (some women would even call this a service to genetics). This culture is so unfair! but even so... I would still make that same sacrifice today.
I had a man tell me recently that a woman staying at a home and living off of a man, was wrong. He didn't want to be USED like that. =o( This is how he viewed it, as being used.
@SuperScreamingEagle Then is he is a man who does not understand the biblical concept of marriage as a partnership with specific roles for the man and the woman. He is not a man to marry because it seems like he wants a fair trade (my ace for your ace). If he gave an ace (cards) willingly, and you didn't give one back, I think he'd flip out and say you're selfish. I say he is selfish, immature, and needs to learn how to help someone without expecting something in return.
I think it is because the purpose of the American life has shifted from the family to becoming as wealthy and as powerful as one can ... if marriage's purpose was still: raising a family, rather than co-habitation, then men AND women probably wouldn't think that way...
Can i get an Amen?! i love this... i actually taught something like this to the girls of the youth group i pastor... love it... Sacrifice=Love... JUST LIKE JESUS...
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This is bullshit coming from the man who complains that the Bride of Christ is a chick. Christianity has become so anti-women that I no longer feel safe going to church or raising my children there. Give me a break! The church is the Titanic, and the men are the ones who are leaping into the lifeboats.
no men, that are believers in christ, in poor countries love their wives...............ummm.........otay..........when mighty dollar falls..........so does this stupid doctrine and many others
I'm inclined to say, although it is good for men to hold to such standards of chivalry, the provision of such things as a job, college, etc is within God's and other people's hands (and thus is partly out of the man's control). If a man's "willingness" does not produce fruit will it still be counted that he loved his wife?
[This is more a question on ability and opportunity than time.]
There are also issues considering less tangible ideas of a man's love for his wife (e.g. quality time).
Yes I agree that's the way it should be. I'm a firefighter and go into dangerous situations all the time. I would die tomorrow for my wife and kids as you said and would gladly do it to be with Jesus Christ. Men and Women in this country need to wake up. Thank you for not being easy on the men because too many have become a bunch of wimps and these young men and women don't have a clue what a real man is. Children need a loving father in the home to help raise them.
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@MrMsNascar YOU are a REAL man.
This video puts it all in perspective, - it really sucks when, as a woman, I find out I've far more guts than certain cowardly males, who wimp out or hide behind me at the first tiny hint of IMAGINED trouble, let alone REAL trouble
It makes me weary and sigh, wondering what happened to REAL men - at least you and Mark are proof they exist.
IdaSputum 2 weeks ago
I would die for my wife and daughters without as much as a single second of thought.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
p.s. :) i also think (this is personal opinion please don't beat me up) that women should be willing to die for husband, children, etc (others in general to be honest!) as Christ did for us. i personally would feel awful if i knew i had a chance to save someone and i lived in their stead. there actually is no biblical reference that backs up the point that women should be treated "specially". I'm all for equality and chivalry dont get me wrong but not just by the man - it's a two team thing
FMLdoodez 3 months ago
yes, men should be all this, mark driscoll is absolutely right, but i by no means believe women should be dependent on men because at the end of the day, thats all they are - men. women should be independent and able to fend for themselves, as many sad stories about widows in the bible should warn us!
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gilbert4321 3 months ago
So what do women offer men?
We've heard about all the sacrifices men are expected to make for wives, in this day of the westernized, feminized, selfish, manipulative, controlling Christian woman what are wives offering in return? Or did you actually believe that you were entitled to the generosity of a man just by your very right of birth alone? Read every word of 1 Cor 7 and you'll know. My favorite? :38
The man who marries the virgin does well but he who marries her not does EVEN BETTER!!!
embracingreality 7 months ago
...And if I want to die for my husband?
See, that is the problem with an ideology such as this. It makes the woman into a non-entity, almost! The wives are something (yes, "thing") to be taken care of, with no agency of their own. I am a Christian, and I'd much rather have a husband who respects me as an equal than one who treats me as a child with no mind. This guy makes me sick to my stomach, and I'm sure his wife is miserable.
TheVampireLucinda 8 months ago
@TheVampireLucinda It's a caring act of compassionate love and a Christian duty. It's not something to belittle women. It's backed up by the Bible, It's because we love you, no other reason apart from that, you are seeing this from completely the wrong perspective.
ODM108 7 months ago
@ODM108 But, if you and I were wed (assuming you're a male), and I loved you, I would want to die for you just as much as you would want to die for me. You see, I would be a woman--a wife--who does not completely depend on her husband for everything. Women like that eventually tire out their poor men, who have to carry the entire burden of family. It's not fair to the men, who must do this, not to the women who must suppress their own love, and spirits in order to make the men feel important.
TheVampireLucinda 7 months ago
@TheVampireLucinda It's a man's responsibility to protect his wife and children, and If in that protecting he has to die for them, then he should. Could you give me an example of where you might give your life instead of your husband and your children?
ODM108 7 months ago
@ODM108 Sure! It's a very common scenario in the city: A robber breaks into a family's two-story home. My husband (I am not married, by the way, so the husband is fictional) and I hear the glass breaking, and hear footsteps coming up the stairs. My thoughts would entirely be on protecting my husband and children, honestly. So, we would both grab our weapons, say a prayer, and go into the hallway to meet the robber. There's a better chance that we'll take him down together, rather than one of us.
TheVampireLucinda 7 months ago
@ODM108 (cont.) Of course, the robber may still get the best of us. He may have a gun. If he points and aims at my husband, or worse, my children, you can bet that I'm NOT going to sit there and cry as he kills them. I will charge the robber, hoping to at least knock him off his feet, and, at best, disarm him. I'm sure my husband will be doing the same. Again, our chances are greater together. And if the robber is a sadist, and says one of us must die...I'd gladly offer myself. For love.
TheVampireLucinda 7 months ago
@TheVampireLucinda Again I'd like to point out that the context that Mark uses this in the context of women and children being prioritised, he is saying that It is every man's duty to sacrifice himself for his wife and children, because that's what a Christian man would want to do, just as Jesus sacrificed himself for his bride (the church). It's not about a petty fight about who is being sexist, It's a loving, compassionate, brave act that a husband would want to do.
ODM108 7 months ago
@ODM108 I understand your point, really I do; it's just that I'd much rather be with someone who doesn't look at me in that way. Under all that "compassion," after all, is a very strong statement: "I am greater than you." I have no issues with the comparison of husband/wife and Jesus/the Church. But, really, sometimes Christians take it too far, and I believe that this is one of those cases. Yes, a man should want to die for his family. But I do too. Love overrides even my alleged gender role.
TheVampireLucinda 7 months ago
@TheVampireLucinda
Where does Mark suggest in this that you are someone with no agency? You don't think there is no nobility, no righteousness, no bravery, no masculinity, no strength, no love in a man willing to die for you?
eltronrangamma 5 months ago
@eltronrangamma Hmm...It's more or less implicit in his statement, in my opinion. It doesn't come out as strongly in this video, but I'm guessing you've heard some of his other stuff. Many of his ideas are based on the notion that a woman is really only a compliment to a man (specifically, her husband). You see, I think that men and women can indeed be complimentary, but to each other; it is not a one way street. And...no. A man willing to die for me is unnecessary. Jesus already did that. :)
TheVampireLucinda 5 months ago
@eltronrangamma Hmm...It's more or less implicit in his statement, in my opinion. It doesn't come out as strongly in this video, but I'm guessing you've heard some of his other stuff. Many of his ideas are based on the notion that a woman is really only a compliment to a man (specifically, her husband). You see, I think that men and women can indeed be complimentary, but to each other; it is not a one way street. And...no. A man willing to die for me is unnecessary. Jesus already did that. :)
TheVampireLucinda 5 months ago
@TheVampireLucinda
If Jesus didn't step up to be a man, you wouldn't be saying that, trust me. Just respect that a guy is willing to die for you. I've seen his videos and been following him for a year and a half. While the guy can be borderline chauvinistic, I've seen nothing from that is not biblical. In any case vampire, what do you think the Bible says what a woman is and what her role is in relation to a man?
eltronrangamma 5 months ago
@TheVampireLucinda
@TheVampireLucinda
If Jesus didn't step up to be a man, you wouldn't be saying that, trust me. Just respect that a guy is willing to die for you. I've seen his videos and been following him for a year and a half. While the guy can be borderline chauvinistic, I've seen nothing from that is not biblical. In any case vampire, what do you think the Bible says what a woman is and what her role is in relation to a man?
eltronrangamma 5 months ago
Easy for him to say...has he been in that situation? He would prob say that he needed to live to teach the gospel
TheNomad1970 9 months ago
I am a true believer in Jesus and I have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any church. When you say "The Church" which one are you referring to ? There are literrally thousands. Within christianity alone there are thousands of different sects, some of whom actually do physical battle with each other over minute differences of interpretation. Look at your words, they are a message of division and separation. That is not Jesus teaching. That is the definition of satan.
johnmcmns199 9 months ago
@johnmcmns199 when the Bible says "church" it refers to the body of Christ, true believers. and Hebrews tells us to not stop meeting together
rianpop 9 months ago
@johnmcmns199
Show me in Scripture that Jesus's bride is the world. Show me.
eltronrangamma 5 months ago
@eltronrangamma In revelation it says that the church is Jesus bride but not the world
gilbert4321 3 months ago
Jesus bride was never ever the church. It was the human race. All of us, not just Mars Hill people. Stop putting words in Jesus mouth that he never ever spoke.
johnmcmns199 9 months ago
@johnmcmns199 The Bride of Christ is the Church, and the Church is all the true believers in Jesus. Not the whole world.
dougmoerhoffman 9 months ago
I died for my bride..... I'll tell jesus you said hi...... classic...
and whats with Driscoll's coward complex thing?
carlyonbeachfire 11 months ago
I agree 100%
But I often feel offended when the current culture of this world denies men respect due. I feel like I've been kicked in the nuts, spat on, and THEN asked to die (some women would even call this a service to genetics). This culture is so unfair! but even so... I would still make that same sacrifice today.
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jonekazepotan 1 year ago
I'll gladly die for a woman who would gladly die for me.
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@JesterMereel Worst Mandalorian ever.
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JesterMereel 1 year ago
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I guess it's a good thing Jesus didn't think that way: I'll gladly die for my people who would gladly die for me... He wouldn't die...
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@aveyowyns If Jesus actually existed at some point yeah I might agree.
JesterMereel 1 year ago
I had a man tell me recently that a woman staying at a home and living off of a man, was wrong. He didn't want to be USED like that. =o( This is how he viewed it, as being used.
SuperScreamingEagle 1 year ago
@SuperScreamingEagle Then is he is a man who does not understand the biblical concept of marriage as a partnership with specific roles for the man and the woman. He is not a man to marry because it seems like he wants a fair trade (my ace for your ace). If he gave an ace (cards) willingly, and you didn't give one back, I think he'd flip out and say you're selfish. I say he is selfish, immature, and needs to learn how to help someone without expecting something in return.
djking2d 1 year ago
@SuperScreamingEagle
I think it is because the purpose of the American life has shifted from the family to becoming as wealthy and as powerful as one can ... if marriage's purpose was still: raising a family, rather than co-habitation, then men AND women probably wouldn't think that way...
aveyowyns 1 year ago
I would have died for the only girl i ve loved gladly.
nrang1 1 year ago
Women are quite annoying. So I figure there should be some spots for guys too.
bryanj212 1 year ago
Women can be quite annoying. So I would think why shouldn't it be more men than women?
intelligenceenergy 1 year ago
I don't need anybody to die for me!
summergauk 1 year ago
Who should die in a homosexual couple?
Tafferling 1 year ago
@Tafferling Based on my christian schooling as a child and the bits of insanity I still hear when I see my family I would guess both of them.
amembrane 1 year ago
@Tafferling Yeah, I watched their video on homosexuality and I'd say both of them would be the preferred outcome for these guys.
amembrane 1 year ago
@Tafferling I guess both of them.
iesidne 1 year ago
Does this video seem quiet to anyone else?
IseultAfire 2 years ago
Can i get an Amen?! i love this... i actually taught something like this to the girls of the youth group i pastor... love it... Sacrifice=Love... JUST LIKE JESUS...
feeren1909 2 years ago 5
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man is the thinker but if you follow this guy you are no longer a thinker
SPECKofGOD 2 years ago
That's just illogical.
CaptianUnbeatable 2 years ago
Ya, it's that dittohead irony.
BeauJames59 2 years ago
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what a fag
twang747 2 years ago
grow up...
LinkD3 2 years ago
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hmm...so wut about CO-DEPENDENCY Pastor Driscoll?
su216 2 years ago
YES!
Men should be willing to provide for and die for their wives. This culture has completely lost any vestige of Biblical manhood and womanhood.
aricandisgood 2 years ago 30
what women would have a problem with this?
gladyswoods 2 years ago 24
we won't know, they're not allowed to speak up @ Mars Hill. See Timothy.......
BeauJames59 2 years ago
@gladyswoods
See: ugly miserable feminists.
FarmboyRecords 2 months ago
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This is bullshit coming from the man who complains that the Bride of Christ is a chick. Christianity has become so anti-women that I no longer feel safe going to church or raising my children there. Give me a break! The church is the Titanic, and the men are the ones who are leaping into the lifeboats.
ludmillapavlovna 3 years ago
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This guy is a kook.
Offspring1337 3 years ago
excellent
31PJ3DE 3 years ago 2
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Oprah makes more sense!
silverlakes211 3 years ago
lol
PaladinMark 3 years ago
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When is he going to get a REAL job? Lol, Priests, Pastors, etc. losers who couldn't get a real job.
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no men, that are believers in christ, in poor countries love their wives...............ummm.........otay..........when mighty dollar falls..........so does this stupid doctrine and many others
superkal2006 3 years ago
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Why not "disabled, elderly and infirm first"? Because those demographics don't reproduce more tithers for the pews.
quemacha 3 years ago
the guy makes some really important points
Conail23 4 years ago 7
I'm inclined to say, although it is good for men to hold to such standards of chivalry, the provision of such things as a job, college, etc is within God's and other people's hands (and thus is partly out of the man's control). If a man's "willingness" does not produce fruit will it still be counted that he loved his wife?
[This is more a question on ability and opportunity than time.]
There are also issues considering less tangible ideas of a man's love for his wife (e.g. quality time).
patmasangkay 4 years ago 3