The abortion debate isn't about biological life, it's about personhood. If you really think a fertilized egg is a person, or has the right to develop into a person at other people's expense simply by virtue of being a fertilized egg, then that shows a gross lack of philosophical insight on your part.
@gingerbreadcorpses That's a sophism. You could use that same sophism for fetuses because they aren't developped in persons either. Still, most people think that's immoral why would that be different for a embryo or even a zygote? Even science says that life begins at conception. I believe this abortion thing is completely arbitrary. Thus, it would be better if it was illegal. Anticonception is there for a reason! One's life is more important than one's money.
Hillary calls herself a "Methodist." What is the traditional theology, creeds, doctrines, of Methodists? Who was Charles n John Wesley? I know for a fact that Hillary and many "Liberal" Methodists nowdays never ask these questions, and thats why they completely contradict traditional Methodist/christianity.
@Imaginefree69 Did you ever consider that those of us who oppose abortion are those who cannot live with themselves while innocent babies are being murdered?? To be silent in a nation while such atrocities are being committed is no different than standing silently/passively to any other genocide that has occurred in any culture. Whatever happened to responsibility for YOUR CONSCIENCE and BEVAVIORS that may have led to "unplanned births"? Even so, many would be willing to adopt these children.
@charlitunaman2002 I'm sorry, did you have something intelligent to say? Or are you just going to conform to the social norm that says as long as you can insult people you have a valid argument? No one can put forth a valid argument to back up their claims anymore. It's really sad. But I guess that just goes to show how ignorant people like you are.
@Vortex1988 Really? Any biologist will tell you that life begins at conception. Isnt a cell life? its moving right? Ever look in a microscope and see a cell? duh. You ignore the facts.
@rmrooster01 You don't know many biologists do you? The human body is made up of multiple cells. When you shed dry skin does it kill you? Does it hurt? Just because a cell is being killed doesn't mean that you're hurting or killing anything, except for that cell, which has no consciousness or concept of life, death, or pain.
I believe that abortion should be mandatory unless the parents can pass either an IQ test, strength test, or they are good looking enough. It is the only fair way to do things.
@gegillam1 How is that fair? Isnt that what HItler believed? He believed that a certain race "Jews" werent ideal so he exterminated 6million of them. Not good looking enough? I thought real beauty came from the heart, not from outward appearences. Some "dumb" people have lots of "commonsense". Likewise, some intelligent people really lack "common sense."
Go ask your mother when she thought YOU were a person. Then ask yourself and your wife when you thought your kids were people, then tell your kids what your answer was. Go ahead, tell your kids their lives were nothing when they were conceived, or have your parent admit that to you. What a disgusting civilization we have become. The most dangerous place for a child is in the womb.
Life does not begin in conception. Life is already there in the form of the egg and the sperm.
Human life begins when the temporal lobe of the brain is formed because that is the part of the brain that is most influential on our humanity (understanding complex language). So do you have a human when it begins to form or when its complete?
wow.... so many words. but they didn't answer the damn question. Democrats put science first in their beliefs, but completely stray from that SAME science that proves that they're sick murderous Satanists
Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. writes: "The underlying premise in the arguments pro-abortionists give against fetal personhood is that non-persons can change into persons. They are saying that a living being can undergo a radical, essential change in its nature during its lifetime. But there is a logical problem here. If the change was biologically inevitable from conception, given time, then this change is not a change in essential nature. This is because if the being naturally initiates the change,
it must be in its nature from the beginning to do so. If it is in its nature to do so, then despite any changes in such characteristics as independence, place of residence, physical development, or demonstration of mental ability, what the being is in later life is what the being is from the beginning of its life. This means that if we are persons with the right to be free from aggression later in life, we are persons even at conception." "A False Assumption," Libertarians for Life,
It's never ceased to amaze me how Democrats, who tend to champion themselves as being pro-science, totally disregard science when it doesn't conform to their beliefs.
Anyway, speaking on beliefs, "I believe that both Obama and Clinton are idiots."
Life begins at Conception - Science proves it, not THESE CROOKS like Hillary Clinton, and Obama "searching" and "can't come up with a firm resolution" on when Life begins.
These people like Obama and Clinton are hypocrites..."put Science in front"...but they are trying to avoid the FACTS that Life begins at Conception.
And why does it have to be in religious nature for Clinton? Because if it was SCIENCE, Clinton would be BLOWN AWAY!
Weedy, your ignorant, if you say a fetus is lifeless after it is removed---of course it is lifeless because you removed it from the womb, where the fetus gets its support in order to live and die.
Boy-o, you need to see the whole picture, BEFORE you remove the fetus, the fetus is ALIVE.
My God, Obama always stutter when it comes to this issue.
Life begins at conception! - Science proves it.
Some Pro-choice people's argument on Abortion are ~~religious~~ in nature because if it was ~~scientific~~ they would be BLOWN away! But hey, I believe in God, Abortion isn't just a ~~religious~~ or ~~scientific~~ issue...it's a MORAL issue.
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odaj: Life begins at birth. 2 out of every 3 conceptions do not result in human life.
If you believe in God, you must also believe the human soul is the true essence of human life, and that life lives on after the biology ceases to exist.
Doesn't the Bible talk about the soul? The after life? The spirit within man that lives well beyond the chronology of the human body?
Owosso, MI (Life News) -- Local officials and state police are confirming that a pro-life advocate was shot and killed outside a high school in this Michigan town. The person, who is described as well-known but whose identity has not been released, was shot multiple times while protesting abortion outside Owosso High School.
"Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government," she said. "They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or sovereign. Mother Teresa
Weed, notice how you are unable to refute anything teton99 has posted?
Information that refutes your laughably stupid position is not spam. It is information that refutes your laughably stupid position.
Care to address the statements, instead of the person posting the statements?
You know, in logic, attacking the arguer while ignoring the argument is a well known fallacy. Unless you address the statements you are guilty of ad hominem.
Which you resort to because your position is flawed.
Before you accuse me (falsely by the way) of committing ad hominem, I will point out that the point of the post was responding to your post that teton99 didn't have anything new to add.
Instead of addressing the statements, you addressed the person making the statements.
In contrast, I address the fact that you aren't addressing teton99's statements. Your statements do not address teton99's statements.
My statements point that out.
So, having addressed your statements it is not ad hominem.
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tics: You said, "Dead Jews Happen". You really have lost you mind and need to seek professional help. You have gone to the worst possible place and you are okay with it. That is a scary warning sign of a perverse and sick mind.
Seek professional help before you act on your sickness.
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Yeah...you said, "Dead Jews Happen' in some psychotic attempt to make a point, and advoicate killing of people, but only as long as they are Jews. I advocate no killing whatsoever and yet you keep calling ME "Satan". That makes no sense., I have to admit that a psychotic who advocates killing of people of a certain religion would probably not make any sense to someone who is sane.
Acknowledging that people die is a simple matter of fact. I specifically mentioned Jews because you are a Jew and you callously claimed that "botched abortions happen" as if there were no consequence.
As if Gianna Jessen's cerebral palsy that she will suffer from for the rest of her life was inconsequential.
"botched abortions happen"
"Dead Jews Happen"
Both are facts.
The difference is, you advocate abortion, I do not advocate killing anyone.
"Dead Jews Happen" is a fact. Jews are people and people die. HOW that happens, however, does matter.
If they are killed in their mother's womb, this is a travesty that you openly support. Yet killing the same person on the other side of the womb gets your panties all in a bunch.
Q: Which is more dead?
A: Both are equally dead.
The difference?
I support the right to life of all innocent human beings.
You are the one supporting killing children whose arms and legs are outside their mother that have not yet taken a breath.
You openly advocate the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
The organism being killed is entirely human.
It is also alive (as evidenced by the fact that its limbs move as it attempts to survive before a pair of scissors are shoved into the base of its skull).
@MetaphysicalPolitics I somewhat agree with you friend, its horrific to think that parents who don't want a potential child can cancel out Fate like that. I mean just don't have the damn child man!
But what if a woman was raped? Should she have this option? Abortion looks bad or good on a case by case basis.
@LordKaisen Or what if she got pregnant by accident due to condoms' +/-10-15% failure rate or the pill's 3% failure rate? Or what if neither party was educated about contraception?
Nobody should be forced by the State to carry a pregnancy to term against her will under any circumstances.
Speaking of not addressing the statements, you failed to address the following question:
If they are killed in their mother's womb, this is a travesty that you openly support. Yet killing the same person on the other side of the womb gets your panties all in a bunch.
Q: Which is more dead?
A: Both are equally dead.
You failed to address that statement weed.
I support the right to life of all innocent human beings.
It has not taken a breath yet, so you claim it is not alive.
If it is not alive, then how is it that the arms and legs move prior to having its brains sucked out, but then they stop moving after the brains get sucked out?
Because your statements are false. It is alive prior to birth. Breath is not life and you openly support the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
On the eve of Super Tuesday, the oldest Orthodox Jewish Rabbinic organization in the country issued a historic declaration on voting and abortion. The Union of Orthodox Rabbis of the U.S. and Canada says Jewish voters should not vote for candidates who support abortion, calling them "antithetical" to Jewish values.
Jews For Life is an organization created to reflect the traditional Jewish pro-life perspective on abortion. Our purpose is to provide our readers with the facts about the tragic consequences that have befallen women & our culture since R v. W was enacted into law. Jews For Life maintains that life, both born & unborn, is sacred & worthy of protection. The current so-called 'pro-choice' position of mainstream liberal Jewish organizations is antithetical to the traditional teachings of our faith
"He does not know God any better than anyone else."
Does this mean you too Weedy, if so then why should we listen to you tell us about God? You seem to be violating you own rules of logic, not that its any surprise. If God doesnt want us to know Him, why did he reveal His name to Moses? That was an invitation to relationship.
Abortion is the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
It is intentional. The victim of the act is a human being. It has human DNA and it is alive.
Even abortion advocates acknowledge that in an abortion, there is a death. They have their opinions on why that death is an acceptable death, but they freely admit that abortion is death that the unborn does not survive the procedure.
So, Satan, would that change your opinion if you came to understand that it is killing and death?
Yes, it would change your opinion, which is why you are so adamant about denying the death involved in an abortion.
Because the instant you finally admit that abortion does involve death and it is killing even a religious lunacy like yours requires you to conceded that such innocent death has no justification.
You lie about death to support an agenda. You start with a conclusion and try to make your premises fit.
Liberal Jewish organizations brazenly distort Jewish Law to give people the impression that Hashem, our G-d, condones abortion for "choice. Nothing can be further from the truth. G-d created mankind to be fruitful and multiply, and to protect and nurture life, both born and unborn.
To claim the right to abortion, infanticide and euthanasia, and to recognize that right in law, means to attribute to human freedom a perverse and evil significance: that of an absolute power over others and against others. This is the death of true freedom.
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Today is Wednesday July 22 and this day should be remembered.
Why? Because today each individual has the personal freedom to decide the abortion issue for themself.
Why does that make today special? Because today, we still have the freedoms guaranteed by the United States Constitution. People like "tics" want to take those freedoms away, impose his views on you and make you live by his morality.
Freedom is special. Cherish it and do not let anyone take your freedoms away.
Abortion is the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
The organism being killed is entirely human and very much alive. Abortion kills it.
Abortion is not guaranteed by the Constitution. There is no Constitutional right to abortion. Even the jurists that decided in favor of it acknowledge this truth.
It was a flawed legal decision, not a right.
And that legal decision ignores the rights of human beings to exist.
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tics: Religious freedom is guaranteed and abortion is a religious issue. You do not have to mention morality. You do not have to mention religion. You do not have to mention anything. Even if you mention all that and more, you still will not change the fact that abortion is legal and there is nothing you can do about it.
Face it...you lose and freedom wins. Abortion is legal. It has been for a veryu long time and it will never change.
Satan, are you still claiming that an organism in a state of growth, that undergoes chemical metabolism, that exhibits the characteristics of autonomous movement and reacts to stimuli is not alive?
That's odd.
The rest of the world is well aware that any organism exhibiting those characteristics is in fact alive.
And if an organism is alive then you can in fact make it dead.
Another rhetorical question - how do you define BIOLOGICAL life?
"John Paul" is just a man in a dress. He does not know God any better than anyone else."
JPII wore a White Cassock. He was highly educated, received his Doctorate & taught at Lublin University in Poland. He was a prolific writer 42 Encyclicals and many books.
He was very close to God since he was young and devoted his entire life to the Almighty.
Dont get the words Comprehend & Know confused, no one can comprehend God, but we can know him. He wants it.
You were the one that inspired her mother to try to kill her. But you failed. Her mother failed.
Her mother tried to kill her by using a saline injection abortion to burn her to death in her own mother's womb.
But Gianna survived. She will live with Cerebral Palsy for the rest of her life due to injuries sustained in the attempt to kill her, but she survived.
Did her mother have the right to give her Cerebral Palsy?
Of course her mother did not have the right to give her daughter Cerebral Palsy.
But, she did it anyway. With the support of ignorant, lie loving idiots like you, she tried to kill her own daughter and caused injuries that she will suffer from for the rest of her natural life.
According to you Satan, every woman has the right to torture, maim, dismember and kill their own unborn.
According to you, every woman can have limbs of her unborn severed off as long as she does this prior to birth.
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tics: I have no problem with experimenting on a fetus once removed from the womb, with no chance at life. However, if the experimentation were to cause problems once life were given by God to the fetus thyat remained in a womb, then yes, I would have issue. If the fetus were going to be discarded and research based medical experiments were performed to somehow better the quality of life for those who are living, then I am all for that.
There is no reason to perform experiments for amusement.
Again you have painted yourself into a corner Weed.
Gianna Jessen's mother tried to kill her via a saline abortion. Gianna survived. She has Cerebral Palsy and wil have it for the rest of her life because of that basic human rights violation.
So your entire "born with life" garbage is debunked by your own words.
You claimed before there was nothing wrong with anything done to an unborn because it had no life, now you claim you "would have issue".
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tics: Botched abortions happen. That just means that the person performing the procedure did not do a good job. That does not debunk anything.
God decided that this person should live. He has his reasons, and whatever you decide to do is your own choice, but I do not question God's reasons for what happens. I accept them as God's will.
Dead Jews happen - it as callous a thing to say as what it was in response to.
That is the difference between you and I. I do not advocate killing Jews. In fact I vehemently oppose it. You on the other hand openly advocated the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
"the weak [translation] of describing the feeling movement inside and mistaking that for [qualitative - you screwed that word up again!] human life is not uncommon. It happens"
Apparently Weed, in your ignorance and your haste, you missed this quote:
"I do not advocate killing Jews. In fact I vehemently oppose it."
But you ADVOCATE killing the unborn. Yes, I showed people that I oppose the intentional killing of innocent human beings - at any stage of development.
Innocent Jews are innocent human beings and anyone who kills an innocent human being has committed a human rights violation.
Regardless the level of development of the human being that was killed.
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tics: I did not miss anything. You said, "Dead Jews Happen".
You are a very sick individual, and your seriously need to seek professional help. You can continue to play this game of accusing me of advocating things I don't advocate, and it has gotten us nowhere.
Here is the bottom line. You are sick, you need help. Abortion is here to stay and you had better get used to it, because nothing you do is going to change anything.
Yes, Weeda, I said "Dead Jews happen" and I'll say it again. It happens to be a fact, people die. Nowhere does the acknowledgment of a fact equate to an endorsement.
You know this. You are lying, lover of lies.
That is a common characteristic of yours. The facts refute your claims so your only recourse is to lie.
You are a liar. You are a Satanist.
Late term abortion is already illegal. You had better get used to that.
America is now a pro-life majority Satan, you are losing ground.
Having established that an unborn human being is both human and alive, we now move on to the human rights violation.
The Declaration of Independence states the following:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
An unborn human being is both human and an individual. Some argue it is not an individual because it lives in the woman, but this dispute fails because the DNA of the unborn is unique from the woman. DNA evidence is legally admissible in court and people have been both exonerated and incarcerated based on DNA evidence.
A very simple proof of this is the current political debate about Guantanamo Bay ("Gitmo").
Why are some people opposed to moving those detainees from Guantanamo Bay to the United States? Because the instant those detainees set foot on American soil, they have certain rights - the right to life, due process of law, etc. They do not have these rights in Guantanamo Bay which is not American soil.
This is evidence of the distinction between basic human rights and the rights of citizenship.
The legalization of abortion is an example of a liberal court legislating from the judiciary (making up their own laws instead of interpreting the Constitution).
There is no "right" to abortion. The Constitution never mentions the word or makes any reference to such a procedure.
Abortion is a human rights violation made legal through a discrepancy in the law, not unlike that which deprived slaves of their basic human rights.
The humanity dispute fails because the DNA of an egg upon fertilization is entirely human. The law of biogenesis states, more or less, that the species of offspring is identical to the species of ancestry. Therefore, any time two human beings get together to procreate, the only possible outcome is another human being - it can be no other species.
That is medical, scientific proof that an unborn human being is in fact a human being.
The life dispute fails because an unborn human being meets all the criteria for biological life. Even algae and bacteria are life.
These criteria are:
Growth (cellular division)
Metabolism
Autonomous movement
Reaction to stimuli
Every one of those criteria are evidence of life and an unborn human being exhibits every one of those criteria. An unborn human being is therefore alive.
To claim otherwise is either dishonesty or ignorance because the facts are that an unborn human being is entirely alive. At no point of its development is it not alive, dead, or not human.
Having established that an unborn human being is both human and alive, we now move on to the human rights violation.
So DNA evidence is respected as conclusive by the American legal system. Therefore, the unborn is unique.
In the Black's Law dictionary definition, it says "a human being" - "a" meaning singular which supports the Merriam-Webster qualification of individual.
So the unborn is a human being by virtue of its DNA, and is also an individual by virtue of its DNA (*) and therefore a person.
So the unborn is a human being and is also an individual by virtue of its DNA (*) and therefore a person.
And all rights applicable to a "person", therefore apply to the unborn and the unborn is therefore SUPPOSED to be protected by the 14th Amendment's right to "life" of the Due Process Clause.
Some will notice that the 14th Amendment starts out by saying "All persons born or naturalized" and claim that means you have to be born to enjoy the protection of the 14th Amendment's rights.
But this dispute fails because not all rights are limited to citizens. Some rights are applicable to "any person" and not necessarily citizens. The instant a person sets foot on American soil, they have rights. They are not citizens until they become naturalized and can not vote in American elections for example.
So there is a clear distinction between basic human rights and the rights of citizens.
Closer examination combined with modern scientific facts regarding biology, DNA, life, etc. reveal that an unborn human being does in fact qualify for the protection of the right to life.
Also, abortion laws were on the books for roughly a century after the 14th Amendment was signed and such laws were present prior to the ratification of the Amendment indicating the authors of the Amendment saw no exclusion of rights for the unborn.
So why is abortion legal? For the same reason slavery was legal. It is a discrepancy in the law that permits a human rights violation. Review of the court cases (Roe v. Wade, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, et al) reveal how this discrepancy happened. The Court failed to realize that the 14th Amendment also applies to the unborn. There was a basic assumption that it did not.
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tet: Yes...and Nazi's also breathed air...so of course that makes you one...since you breathe air too...right?
If the experiments are to better life for those who are actually living, I see no reason not to experiment on non-living fetuses. We use cadavers all the time for medical advancement. I am sure that is evil...right?
It is too bad you want everyone to live in the stone age and never seek advancements that may save, better or prolong life.
"and Nazi's also breathed air...so of course that makes you one...since you breathe air too...right?"
Wrong!!!
What a poor moral equivalence you have made, but I can understand you have to limit you scope of morality to justify your very thin premise of murdering innocent human beings.
The sun shines on us all as the bible says, good and evil alike. Your ability to understand distinctions and comparisons are very limited indeed.
tet: I did not make the faulty moral comparison, you did. I understand comparisons, and that is why I made basically the same level of comparison as you did. If we are to follow your 1+1 = 47 math, you are just as evil as any Nazi because you breathe air like they did.
A fetus is not a living human being until it is no longer a fetus at all and is born with life. Again, not all fetuses are born with life.
You wanting biological truth to be untrue does not make it false, it makes you false.
Its really simple to see. Take any other mammal and consider the gestation of its young. Prior to birth the unborn mammal is in a state of biological development. It is growing, developing, metabolizing, moving autonomously, and reacting to stimuli.
It is therefore biologically alive.
What species it is has no relevance on the fact that it is alive.
"Humans are not like other animals. We have a soul. "
Irrelevant. The topic is not faith, it is biological life. Abortion is a medical procedure in the realm of biology, not philosophy or religion. There is no action being taken on a soul, there is no proof upon which decisions can be made in favor of a soul so a soul is irrelevant with respect to law.
Your Satanic mind has been clouded into that delusion.
Come up out of the lake of fire and get some fresh air.
"We use cadavers all the time for medical advancement. I am sure that is evil...right?"
Wrong!!!
Cadavers unlike unborn babies are dead and show no signs of live, movement, growth, sensation of pain, etc... Plus most people who have given their remains over to science have Consented to it when they were alive.
Unlike unborn babies that are truly human & alive. They are victims of an evil ideology that disrespects human life in much the same way as the Nazis did.
tet: A fetus removed from the womb by abortion also shows no signs of life, movement, growth, or sensations of pain. It is lifeless and would be fine for experimentation, again, only if that experimentation serves some purpose to better life for those who live.
Again, your opinion of life existing before birth is just that...opinion, and you have nothing to prove otherwise. You have no right to call my belief in God evil, just because it differs from your own.
For you to call unborn life an "opinion" is a lot like you claiming that 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion.
Empirically verifiable facts are not opinions.
Biological life is a verifiable truth.
If a patient is on the operating table and all of its biological functions cease, they determine time of death to be the point at which the biological functions cease, not the point at which an intangible soul leaves the body.
An organism is either biologically alive or it is not.
In an abortion, you have a biologically verifiable living organism. You can examine its growth rate - even measure it (at a certain stage, the unborn doubles its size every day).
After the abortion is over, those same cells are no longer growing, dividing, metabolizing, moving, reacting. They go from being living cells with living cellular activity to being dead cells that do nothing but decompose.
Abortion is intentionally killing an innocent living human being.
A developing fetus is a human being, and therefore a person. Satan has confused you into trying to deny this truth because he wants your support to kill more unborn human beings.
I can prove, empirically, with hard reliable evidence that biological life exists at the moment of conception.
You can not prove anything about a soul.
I can also prove that the Supreme Court decisions to be overturned someday make no mention of soul or religion, but instead refer to the biological term "viability".
You are wrong on the facts and you are wrong with your claim that the legality of abortion has anything to do with the 1st Amendment.
The 1st Amendment is never referenced in any abortion case reviewed by the Supreme Court.
But the 14th Amendment is. So the discrepancy that permits the human rights violation of abortion has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment which is the only Amendment that references religious freedom.
This debunks you.
Religious arguments have no relevance with the subject of abortion. Abortion is not a religious ceremony, it is a medical procedure.
A procedure that intentionally kills the innocent.
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tics: Abortion IS a medical procedure.
We have no law for people to decide to have their nose changed, a tattoo removed, facial hair removed, tonsils taken out, appendectomy, teeth whitened or any nbumber of other things done withg their bodies. We need no law for people to decide to have an abortion either.
I say, "Abolish all abortion law and let people decide for themselfves".
Is it unlawful for a woman to have her children's limbs amputated while still in the womb?
If yes, why?
If not, why not?
If it is not alive, then you have no objection to severing the limbs, poking out the eyes, cutting off the ears, the nose, etc. then birthing the child so it enters the world like you.
Deaf, blind, and completely stupid.
If you do object to such practices, you must concede, it is alive.
Watch the unborn open and close their mouth and move their hand in front of their face - a human hand and a human face - before being dismembered in an abortion.
Imagine if that was Weeda in his mother's womb.
Would he be less dead if he were killed weeks after he was born compared to weeks before he was born?
Or are decomposing cells still decomposing regardless their age?
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Tics: Development requires movement. It is a part of the development processa and only one of many symptoms opf life. Movement itself is not life. Many records exist of dead bodies moving well after death.
Pictures do not show life. Life is a human soul in a body that has been born.
And a developing unborn human being satisfies EVERY SINGLE criteria for biological life, despite the FACT that to satisfy a definition, you only require ONE criteria!
You just admitted that movement is development and that development is one symptom of life.
Opinion is irrelevant Weed, which I why I don't waste time on it.
I instead focus on those pesky little things you can't address like verifiable facts, truth, evidence admissible in court, founding documents, law, constitutional amendments - you know all that big, relevant grown up stuff you can't seem to grasp.
No court case references coming from you.
Or definition quotes, or premises, or conclusions, or facts, or truth or sense or anything worthy of being posted on even a YouTube site.
You don't really believe I am asking you questions seeking an answer from a dimwit like you do you?
Since you still don't get it, I'll explain it to you.
I already know you lack the capacity to address facts and reasoned logical arguments. My questions to you are rhetorical. They aren't necessarily meant for someone as dumb as you.
My questions are for anyone reading this forum to expose the flaws in your position and reveal the true nature of abortion.
Satan, you know this, but others might not so I'll announce it publicly.
When an unborn is still in the womb and its nervous system is freshly developed, experiments have shown that at this stage, the reaction to stimuli is more dramatic than at any other stage of a human being's life.
So not only does the unborn feel pain, it has a greater reaction to its environment - it feels MORE PAIN at this stage than any other.
Like having exposed nerve endings being over stimulated.
You have no clue of my beliefs because I have not shared them. They have no relevance with respect to the topic of the intentional killing of innocent human beings that you advocate.
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Thank you for resorting to childishness and using name calling as your weapon of choice. It just shows how frustrated you are that you can never refute anything I have said.
You have nothing to show that a fetus has a soul, and can not prove that qualitive human life exists in the body before birth with life.
Abortion has been legal for a very long time and it will continue to be legal...and your frustration is not with me. It is with the fact that you have lost.
I have not claimed anything about a soul because, being something unprovable, has no relevance.
And I can prove that "qualitative life" exists in the body prior to birth. The qualitative analysis of a fertilized egg reveals that it is in fact human and by virtue of its development, it is alive.
Your claim of frustration is simply false. Its not a matter of emotion, but of facts.
That you are an agent of Satan's will is also a fact.
Detainees brought to America would have the right to life and due process of law, but not being citizens, would not have the right to vote.
Which takes us back to the Human Rights violation of abortion. The rights of the 14th Amendment are applicable to "any person" and an unborn human being is a person when the definitions are properly examined.
Can you torture an unborn you intend to bring into life?
Or do you have to recant your every statement and concede that the unborn human being developing in its mother's womb is in fact alive and abortion kills it?
Torture?
Or life?
Abortion is the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
It is intentional, it is killing and organism that it kills is entirely human.
Epic fail on your part. All of your lies and you can not escape the torture scenario.
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Tics: Neither. Not everything fits into your narrow minded view of things.
God is not "Either / or". God created all souls when he created the first, they all reside in heaven until a body is ready for birth. Then he gives the body a soul and it lives, or he doesn't and the body is born without life. It happens all the time.
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tics: I do not speak for God...God spoke to us already in his word. You just refuse to pay any attention.
I am not going to apologize for my belief in God, and I do not have to prove him to you to enjoy religious freedom.
In Jeremiah 1:5 God says he knew him before he was formed. God is telling us we exist (Our soul...our life) before the biological conception, and that our body is not who we are. You might want to read the Bible sometime. Maybe you will understand Gods word if you do.
maybethey should go ask a biologist. his answer would be: CONCEPTION
it's an already answered question. theres no debate. they should go read an embryology textbook
wolfy4815226 2 months ago
Hillary, what about the tax dollars of Americans who disagree with you? Oh....you're really not for "choice" after all...
VoiceOfModeration 10 months ago
The abortion debate isn't about biological life, it's about personhood. If you really think a fertilized egg is a person, or has the right to develop into a person at other people's expense simply by virtue of being a fertilized egg, then that shows a gross lack of philosophical insight on your part.
gingerbreadcorpses 10 months ago 3
@gingerbreadcorpses That's a sophism. You could use that same sophism for fetuses because they aren't developped in persons either. Still, most people think that's immoral why would that be different for a embryo or even a zygote? Even science says that life begins at conception. I believe this abortion thing is completely arbitrary. Thus, it would be better if it was illegal. Anticonception is there for a reason! One's life is more important than one's money.
TheYvdW 3 months ago
Liars and hypocrites! Both know perfectly well, as any primary science book states that human LIFE begins at conception.
jwsyt2 11 months ago
UGGGGHHHHHH WHy do we vote these people in to office????
jmatassa 1 year ago
LIFE DOES NOT BEGING AT CONCEPTION LIFE BEGAN MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO CONCEPTION IS JUST A METAMORPHOSIS OF LIFE!
PALOMITA694 1 year ago
ITS ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE... Even as the IMMAM OBAMA is rresident of the USA!
ROGER459 1 year ago
Hillary calls herself a "Methodist." What is the traditional theology, creeds, doctrines, of Methodists? Who was Charles n John Wesley? I know for a fact that Hillary and many "Liberal" Methodists nowdays never ask these questions, and thats why they completely contradict traditional Methodist/christianity.
rmrooster01 1 year ago
Those who prohibit abortion
MUST be prepared to adopt the results.
It's the only responsible position.
To make OTHERS pay for YOUR conscience
is just another Christian hypocrisy.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago 3
@Imaginefree69 Did you ever consider that those of us who oppose abortion are those who cannot live with themselves while innocent babies are being murdered?? To be silent in a nation while such atrocities are being committed is no different than standing silently/passively to any other genocide that has occurred in any culture. Whatever happened to responsibility for YOUR CONSCIENCE and BEVAVIORS that may have led to "unplanned births"? Even so, many would be willing to adopt these children.
30lindam 1 year ago
Anyway life doesn't begin at conception. I don't know how anyone could possibly believe that if they knew the science behind it.
Vortex1988 1 year ago
@Vortex1988 Exactly, you werent jack shit then, you arent jack shit now
charlitunaman2002 1 year ago
@charlitunaman2002 I'm sorry, did you have something intelligent to say? Or are you just going to conform to the social norm that says as long as you can insult people you have a valid argument? No one can put forth a valid argument to back up their claims anymore. It's really sad. But I guess that just goes to show how ignorant people like you are.
Vortex1988 1 year ago
@Vortex1988 Shut up idiot
charlitunaman2002 1 year ago
@charlitunaman2002 I guess you're just content proving my point...fine with me.
Vortex1988 1 year ago
@Vortex1988 Really? Any biologist will tell you that life begins at conception. Isnt a cell life? its moving right? Ever look in a microscope and see a cell? duh. You ignore the facts.
rmrooster01 1 year ago
@rmrooster01 You don't know many biologists do you? The human body is made up of multiple cells. When you shed dry skin does it kill you? Does it hurt? Just because a cell is being killed doesn't mean that you're hurting or killing anything, except for that cell, which has no consciousness or concept of life, death, or pain.
Vortex1988 1 year ago
I believe that abortion should be mandatory unless the parents can pass either an IQ test, strength test, or they are good looking enough. It is the only fair way to do things.
gegillam1 1 year ago
@gegillam1 How is that fair? Isnt that what HItler believed? He believed that a certain race "Jews" werent ideal so he exterminated 6million of them. Not good looking enough? I thought real beauty came from the heart, not from outward appearences. Some "dumb" people have lots of "commonsense". Likewise, some intelligent people really lack "common sense."
rmrooster01 1 year ago
Go ask your mother when she thought YOU were a person. Then ask yourself and your wife when you thought your kids were people, then tell your kids what your answer was. Go ahead, tell your kids their lives were nothing when they were conceived, or have your parent admit that to you. What a disgusting civilization we have become. The most dangerous place for a child is in the womb.
charlitunaman2002 1 year ago
@charlitunaman2002 So don't get pregnant when you don't want to. It's not that hard.
Vortex1988 1 year ago
Life does not begin in conception. Life is already there in the form of the egg and the sperm.
Human life begins when the temporal lobe of the brain is formed because that is the part of the brain that is most influential on our humanity (understanding complex language). So do you have a human when it begins to form or when its complete?
believerornot 1 year ago
So a person who suffers a massive stroke in the temporal lobe is no longer a human?
charlitunaman2002 1 year ago
wow.... so many words. but they didn't answer the damn question. Democrats put science first in their beliefs, but completely stray from that SAME science that proves that they're sick murderous Satanists
rbjake24 1 year ago
Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. writes: "The underlying premise in the arguments pro-abortionists give against fetal personhood is that non-persons can change into persons. They are saying that a living being can undergo a radical, essential change in its nature during its lifetime. But there is a logical problem here. If the change was biologically inevitable from conception, given time, then this change is not a change in essential nature. This is because if the being naturally initiates the change,
teton99 1 year ago
it must be in its nature from the beginning to do so. If it is in its nature to do so, then despite any changes in such characteristics as independence, place of residence, physical development, or demonstration of mental ability, what the being is in later life is what the being is from the beginning of its life. This means that if we are persons with the right to be free from aggression later in life, we are persons even at conception." "A False Assumption," Libertarians for Life,
teton99 1 year ago
It's never ceased to amaze me how Democrats, who tend to champion themselves as being pro-science, totally disregard science when it doesn't conform to their beliefs.
Anyway, speaking on beliefs, "I believe that both Obama and Clinton are idiots."
Bei1052 1 year ago
such a government intrusion! The government intrudes in everything, why not abortion?
Kingsandballs 2 years ago 2
Life begins at Conception - Science proves it, not THESE CROOKS like Hillary Clinton, and Obama "searching" and "can't come up with a firm resolution" on when Life begins.
These people like Obama and Clinton are hypocrites..."put Science in front"...but they are trying to avoid the FACTS that Life begins at Conception.
And why does it have to be in religious nature for Clinton? Because if it was SCIENCE, Clinton would be BLOWN AWAY!
P.S.
I believe in God and I am religious.
KodaJosh098 2 years ago 10
Weedy, your ignorant, if you say a fetus is lifeless after it is removed---of course it is lifeless because you removed it from the womb, where the fetus gets its support in order to live and die.
Boy-o, you need to see the whole picture, BEFORE you remove the fetus, the fetus is ALIVE.
KodaJosh098 2 years ago 11
They say they put "Science" in front but how come they can't make up their minds when life begins?
Life begins at Conception --- Science proves it.
KodaJosh098 2 years ago 11
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odaj: Not really. Science proves nothing.
You can not prove or disprove a soul. The soul IS life...according to most religious beliefs.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
My God, Obama always stutter when it comes to this issue.
Life begins at conception! - Science proves it.
Some Pro-choice people's argument on Abortion are ~~religious~~ in nature because if it was ~~scientific~~ they would be BLOWN away! But hey, I believe in God, Abortion isn't just a ~~religious~~ or ~~scientific~~ issue...it's a MORAL issue.
KodaJosh098 2 years ago 9
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odaj: Life begins at birth. 2 out of every 3 conceptions do not result in human life.
If you believe in God, you must also believe the human soul is the true essence of human life, and that life lives on after the biology ceases to exist.
Doesn't the Bible talk about the soul? The after life? The spirit within man that lives well beyond the chronology of the human body?
What exactly DO you believe?
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
PROLIFE PROTESTER MURDERED ON 9/11/09
Owosso, MI (Life News) -- Local officials and state police are confirming that a pro-life advocate was shot and killed outside a high school in this Michigan town. The person, who is described as well-known but whose identity has not been released, was shot multiple times while protesting abortion outside Owosso High School.
teton99 2 years ago
YouTube:
Rabbis Ban Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexual Politicians
teton99 2 years ago
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tics: You said, "Dead Jews Happen"
You are sick and need to seek professional help.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Actually Weed, it happens to be a statement of fact.
Dead Jews do in fact happen. This is irrefutable fact. Jews, like other carbon based life forms, do in fact die.
Are you suggesting that they don't?
That would make about as much sense as anything else you've ever posted.
You are the one advocating that death shown in:
watch?v=fEiN6oi4mcE
Not me.
You are a disgusting sociopath.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 21
"Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government," she said. "They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or sovereign. Mother Teresa
teton99 2 years ago
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tet: We have seen this same old copy and paste SPAM posted countless times before. Do you have anything new to add?
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Weed, notice how you are unable to refute anything teton99 has posted?
Information that refutes your laughably stupid position is not spam. It is information that refutes your laughably stupid position.
Care to address the statements, instead of the person posting the statements?
You know, in logic, attacking the arguer while ignoring the argument is a well known fallacy. Unless you address the statements you are guilty of ad hominem.
Which you resort to because your position is flawed.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 21
Before you accuse me (falsely by the way) of committing ad hominem, I will point out that the point of the post was responding to your post that teton99 didn't have anything new to add.
Instead of addressing the statements, you addressed the person making the statements.
In contrast, I address the fact that you aren't addressing teton99's statements. Your statements do not address teton99's statements.
My statements point that out.
So, having addressed your statements it is not ad hominem.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 33
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tics: You said, "Dead Jews Happen". You really have lost you mind and need to seek professional help. You have gone to the worst possible place and you are okay with it. That is a scary warning sign of a perverse and sick mind.
Seek professional help before you act on your sickness.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Yes, Weeda, dead Jews do in fact happen. This is a fact.
It does not change the fact that you openly advocate the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
Such as that depicted here:
watch?v=fEiN6oi4mcE
Dead human beings happen. However, HOW they happen to become dead human beings is a matter of policy.
A policy you endorse.
You openly advocate the intentional killing of innocent human beings. You don't even deny this.
You are beyond sick.
You are a Satanist.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 30
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Yeah...you said, "Dead Jews Happen' in some psychotic attempt to make a point, and advoicate killing of people, but only as long as they are Jews. I advocate no killing whatsoever and yet you keep calling ME "Satan". That makes no sense., I have to admit that a psychotic who advocates killing of people of a certain religion would probably not make any sense to someone who is sane.
You truly need professional help.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Not quite Weed.
Acknowledging that people die is a simple matter of fact. I specifically mentioned Jews because you are a Jew and you callously claimed that "botched abortions happen" as if there were no consequence.
As if Gianna Jessen's cerebral palsy that she will suffer from for the rest of her life was inconsequential.
"botched abortions happen"
"Dead Jews Happen"
Both are facts.
The difference is, you advocate abortion, I do not advocate killing anyone.
You are a servant of Satan.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 17
You are dumb, so I have to explain things to you.
"Dead Jews Happen" is a fact. Jews are people and people die. HOW that happens, however, does matter.
If they are killed in their mother's womb, this is a travesty that you openly support. Yet killing the same person on the other side of the womb gets your panties all in a bunch.
Q: Which is more dead?
A: Both are equally dead.
The difference?
I support the right to life of all innocent human beings.
You, Satan, support killing the unborn.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 16
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You do not have to explain anything to me. You are sick and need help.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
LOL - Ad Hominem Weed - attacking the arguer.
So there is much explaining required to set you straight.
Notice you can't address the statements and instead resort to attacking the arguer? Classic logical fallacy of Ad Hominem.
You can't address the facts.
While you're busy ignoring truth, take a look at this:
watch?v=QUr0jCbcPNc
Now Weed, in a partial birth abortion, the child has his head still in his mother's vagina, but has not taken a breath yet.
Do you kill it?
You are indeed sick.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
You are the one supporting killing children whose arms and legs are outside their mother that have not yet taken a breath.
You openly advocate the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
The organism being killed is entirely human.
It is also alive (as evidenced by the fact that its limbs move as it attempts to survive before a pair of scissors are shoved into the base of its skull).
You claim no breath, no life.
You lie. The child is alive prior to birth.
Abortion kills it.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 13
@MetaphysicalPolitics I somewhat agree with you friend, its horrific to think that parents who don't want a potential child can cancel out Fate like that. I mean just don't have the damn child man!
But what if a woman was raped? Should she have this option? Abortion looks bad or good on a case by case basis.
LordKaisen 1 year ago
@LordKaisen Or what if she got pregnant by accident due to condoms' +/-10-15% failure rate or the pill's 3% failure rate? Or what if neither party was educated about contraception?
Nobody should be forced by the State to carry a pregnancy to term against her will under any circumstances.
NotADood 1 year ago
Speaking of not addressing the statements, you failed to address the following question:
If they are killed in their mother's womb, this is a travesty that you openly support. Yet killing the same person on the other side of the womb gets your panties all in a bunch.
Q: Which is more dead?
A: Both are equally dead.
You failed to address that statement weed.
I support the right to life of all innocent human beings.
You, Satan, support killing the unborn.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 16
Look at it weed:
watch?v=QUr0jCbcPNc
Why are you defending this?
It has not taken a breath yet, so you claim it is not alive.
If it is not alive, then how is it that the arms and legs move prior to having its brains sucked out, but then they stop moving after the brains get sucked out?
Because your statements are false. It is alive prior to birth. Breath is not life and you openly support the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
Like Gianna Jessen for example.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 14
Washington, DC (Life News)
On the eve of Super Tuesday, the oldest Orthodox Jewish Rabbinic organization in the country issued a historic declaration on voting and abortion. The Union of Orthodox Rabbis of the U.S. and Canada says Jewish voters should not vote for candidates who support abortion, calling them "antithetical" to Jewish values.
teton99 2 years ago
Jews For Life is an organization created to reflect the traditional Jewish pro-life perspective on abortion. Our purpose is to provide our readers with the facts about the tragic consequences that have befallen women & our culture since R v. W was enacted into law. Jews For Life maintains that life, both born & unborn, is sacred & worthy of protection. The current so-called 'pro-choice' position of mainstream liberal Jewish organizations is antithetical to the traditional teachings of our faith
teton99 2 years ago
Weedy says
"He does not know God any better than anyone else."
Does this mean you too Weedy, if so then why should we listen to you tell us about God? You seem to be violating you own rules of logic, not that its any surprise. If God doesnt want us to know Him, why did he reveal His name to Moses? That was an invitation to relationship.
teton99 2 years ago
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tet: I do not care if you listen to me or not.
You have God's word...figure it out for yourself.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Weedy says...
"You have God's word...figure it out for yourself."
God doesnt sanction abortion, it also goes against the 6th Commandment Thou shall not murder (Talmudic version), murder is the death of an INNOCENT.
You are also going against the 3 rd Commandment by using Gods name in vain to justifying murdering unborn human beings.
You are Satans pawn in the Culture of Death
teton99 2 years ago
Satan: "I do not care if you listen to me or not."
This is not true and the evidence is the statement itself.
If you did not care, you would not have bothered to reply to his comment.
The mere fact that you did reply is evidence that you wanted him to see what you posted.
If you did not care, you would not have posted anything.
Like when you were a young teeny bopper running around proclaiming "I don't care what people think of me".
If you did not care, why would you feel compelled to speak?
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 12
Abortion is the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
It is intentional. The victim of the act is a human being. It has human DNA and it is alive.
Even abortion advocates acknowledge that in an abortion, there is a death. They have their opinions on why that death is an acceptable death, but they freely admit that abortion is death that the unborn does not survive the procedure.
So, Satan, would that change your opinion if you came to understand that it is killing and death?
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 13
Yes, it would change your opinion, which is why you are so adamant about denying the death involved in an abortion.
Because the instant you finally admit that abortion does involve death and it is killing even a religious lunacy like yours requires you to conceded that such innocent death has no justification.
You lie about death to support an agenda. You start with a conclusion and try to make your premises fit.
Which requires you to lie about death.
Satan - who is Gianna Jessen?
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 13
The Real View of Judaism
Liberal Jewish organizations brazenly distort Jewish Law to give people the impression that Hashem, our G-d, condones abortion for "choice. Nothing can be further from the truth. G-d created mankind to be fruitful and multiply, and to protect and nurture life, both born and unborn.
Jews for Life
teton99 2 years ago
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tet: You know nothing of Judaism.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Actually Satan, he seems to know a fair amount of Judaism.
He is correct on it where you are false.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
To claim the right to abortion, infanticide and euthanasia, and to recognize that right in law, means to attribute to human freedom a perverse and evil significance: that of an absolute power over others and against others. This is the death of true freedom.
John Paul II
teton99 2 years ago
"John Paul" is just a man in a dress. He does not know God any better than anyone else.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
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Today is Wednesday July 22 and this day should be remembered.
Why? Because today each individual has the personal freedom to decide the abortion issue for themself.
Why does that make today special? Because today, we still have the freedoms guaranteed by the United States Constitution. People like "tics" want to take those freedoms away, impose his views on you and make you live by his morality.
Freedom is special. Cherish it and do not let anyone take your freedoms away.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
LOL - funny how I have not mentioned morality!
Abortion is the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
The organism being killed is entirely human and very much alive. Abortion kills it.
Abortion is not guaranteed by the Constitution. There is no Constitutional right to abortion. Even the jurists that decided in favor of it acknowledge this truth.
It was a flawed legal decision, not a right.
And that legal decision ignores the rights of human beings to exist.
Abortion is a violation.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 5
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tics: Religious freedom is guaranteed and abortion is a religious issue. You do not have to mention morality. You do not have to mention religion. You do not have to mention anything. Even if you mention all that and more, you still will not change the fact that abortion is legal and there is nothing you can do about it.
Face it...you lose and freedom wins. Abortion is legal. It has been for a veryu long time and it will never change.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Religious freedom, though guaranteed, is not a factor in the debate on abortion.
Freedom wins?
What freedom did the 50,000,000 corpses have?
They weren't free, they were made dead. They weren't dead, but someone made them dead.
And you advocate the act of making them dead.
Abortion has been permitted for less than forty years. It was illegal for more than a century. So you lose by a factor of at least 2 to 1.
You fear the coming change.
Which is why you're here.
You know change awaits.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
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tics: You can not make dead what is not alive.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Satan, are you still claiming that an organism in a state of growth, that undergoes chemical metabolism, that exhibits the characteristics of autonomous movement and reacts to stimuli is not alive?
That's odd.
The rest of the world is well aware that any organism exhibiting those characteristics is in fact alive.
And if an organism is alive then you can in fact make it dead.
Another rhetorical question - how do you define BIOLOGICAL life?
Do your homework, then we'll start there.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
Weedys...
"John Paul" is just a man in a dress. He does not know God any better than anyone else."
JPII wore a White Cassock. He was highly educated, received his Doctorate & taught at Lublin University in Poland. He was a prolific writer 42 Encyclicals and many books.
He was very close to God since he was young and devoted his entire life to the Almighty.
Dont get the words Comprehend & Know confused, no one can comprehend God, but we can know him. He wants it.
teton99 2 years ago
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tet: He is still just a man and does not know God any better than anyone else.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Hello again Satan.
You said earlier that the Pope was just a man in a dress.
Well, given your criteria for men and dresses, Abraham was also a man in a dress given the robes worn back in the day.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
Ahh yes, Satan, Gianna Jessen.
You know all about her don't you?
You were the one that inspired her mother to try to kill her. But you failed. Her mother failed.
Her mother tried to kill her by using a saline injection abortion to burn her to death in her own mother's womb.
But Gianna survived. She will live with Cerebral Palsy for the rest of her life due to injuries sustained in the attempt to kill her, but she survived.
Did her mother have the right to give her Cerebral Palsy?
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 13
Of course her mother did not have the right to give her daughter Cerebral Palsy.
But, she did it anyway. With the support of ignorant, lie loving idiots like you, she tried to kill her own daughter and caused injuries that she will suffer from for the rest of her natural life.
According to you Satan, every woman has the right to torture, maim, dismember and kill their own unborn.
According to you, every woman can have limbs of her unborn severed off as long as she does this prior to birth.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 12
And that raises a very interesting rhetorical question.
If, as you falsely claim, an unborn is not alive, then there is nothing wrong with torturing a dead organism.
You therefore approve of having experiments performed on 34 week old fetuses.
Not necessarily fatal experiments, but doing things like removing their legs and attaching them to their head just for amusement.
If it isn't alive, you have no recourse for objecting to such experiments.
If they are "born with life" with no limbs, OK.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 13
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tics: I have no problem with experimenting on a fetus once removed from the womb, with no chance at life. However, if the experimentation were to cause problems once life were given by God to the fetus thyat remained in a womb, then yes, I would have issue. If the fetus were going to be discarded and research based medical experiments were performed to somehow better the quality of life for those who are living, then I am all for that.
There is no reason to perform experiments for amusement.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Again you have painted yourself into a corner Weed.
Gianna Jessen's mother tried to kill her via a saline abortion. Gianna survived. She has Cerebral Palsy and wil have it for the rest of her life because of that basic human rights violation.
So your entire "born with life" garbage is debunked by your own words.
You claimed before there was nothing wrong with anything done to an unborn because it had no life, now you claim you "would have issue".
No justification exists for harming unborn.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 8
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tics: Botched abortions happen. That just means that the person performing the procedure did not do a good job. That does not debunk anything.
God decided that this person should live. He has his reasons, and whatever you decide to do is your own choice, but I do not question God's reasons for what happens. I accept them as God's will.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Dead Jews happen. That just means the person killing them did a good job - according to your grotesquely flawed logic.
So Weeda, if you kill someone then that's just God deciding that person should no longer live.
After all, if it happened, it was just God's will.
Perhaps you should kill more people so as to not let God's will go undone?
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 5
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tics: Wow. "Dead Jews happen"? Did you really say that?
...And you have the nerve to call "ME" Satan?
You are really a sick person.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Yes, Satan.
Dead Jews happen - it as callous a thing to say as what it was in response to.
That is the difference between you and I. I do not advocate killing Jews. In fact I vehemently oppose it. You on the other hand openly advocated the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
"the weak [translation] of describing the feeling movement inside and mistaking that for [qualitative - you screwed that word up again!] human life is not uncommon. It happens"
"human life . . . it happens"
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 8
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tics: You do not advocate killing Jews, you are just happy when someone else does.
You are a really sick, twisted person and you need professional help.
The one thing I am happy about here is that youy showed people who and what you really are.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Apparently Weed, in your ignorance and your haste, you missed this quote:
"I do not advocate killing Jews. In fact I vehemently oppose it."
But you ADVOCATE killing the unborn. Yes, I showed people that I oppose the intentional killing of innocent human beings - at any stage of development.
Innocent Jews are innocent human beings and anyone who kills an innocent human being has committed a human rights violation.
Regardless the level of development of the human being that was killed.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 10
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tics: I did not miss anything. You said, "Dead Jews Happen".
You are a very sick individual, and your seriously need to seek professional help. You can continue to play this game of accusing me of advocating things I don't advocate, and it has gotten us nowhere.
Here is the bottom line. You are sick, you need help. Abortion is here to stay and you had better get used to it, because nothing you do is going to change anything.
You lost the war, it is time to move on.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Yes, Weeda, I said "Dead Jews happen" and I'll say it again. It happens to be a fact, people die. Nowhere does the acknowledgment of a fact equate to an endorsement.
You know this. You are lying, lover of lies.
That is a common characteristic of yours. The facts refute your claims so your only recourse is to lie.
You are a liar. You are a Satanist.
Late term abortion is already illegal. You had better get used to that.
America is now a pro-life majority Satan, you are losing ground.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 7
Abortion is a human rights issue. Abortion is the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
This is not an opinion, but a matter of basic facts.
Abortion is intentional.
Abortion is a procedure performed on an innocent organism that has not been found guilty of a crime and is therefore, legally innocent.
Abortion is a procedure performed on a human being.
Abortion kills that human being.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 6
Having established that an unborn human being is both human and alive, we now move on to the human rights violation.
The Declaration of Independence states the following:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 12
The 14th Amendment states:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
But when you look closer, that too, is false.
Look at the definition for "person":
"HUMAN INDIVIDUAL" (Merriam-Webster)
"a human being" (Black's Law Dictionary)
An unborn human being is both human and an individual. Some argue it is not an individual because it lives in the woman, but this dispute fails because the DNA of the unborn is unique from the woman. DNA evidence is legally admissible in court and people have been both exonerated and incarcerated based on DNA evidence.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
A very simple proof of this is the current political debate about Guantanamo Bay ("Gitmo").
Why are some people opposed to moving those detainees from Guantanamo Bay to the United States? Because the instant those detainees set foot on American soil, they have certain rights - the right to life, due process of law, etc. They do not have these rights in Guantanamo Bay which is not American soil.
This is evidence of the distinction between basic human rights and the rights of citizenship.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 14
The legalization of abortion is an example of a liberal court legislating from the judiciary (making up their own laws instead of interpreting the Constitution).
There is no "right" to abortion. The Constitution never mentions the word or makes any reference to such a procedure.
Abortion is a human rights violation made legal through a discrepancy in the law, not unlike that which deprived slaves of their basic human rights.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 19
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MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago
These are all facts.
Some dispute the humanity, some the life.
The humanity dispute fails because the DNA of an egg upon fertilization is entirely human. The law of biogenesis states, more or less, that the species of offspring is identical to the species of ancestry. Therefore, any time two human beings get together to procreate, the only possible outcome is another human being - it can be no other species.
That is medical, scientific proof that an unborn human being is in fact a human being.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 12
The life dispute fails because an unborn human being meets all the criteria for biological life. Even algae and bacteria are life.
These criteria are:
Growth (cellular division)
Metabolism
Autonomous movement
Reaction to stimuli
Every one of those criteria are evidence of life and an unborn human being exhibits every one of those criteria. An unborn human being is therefore alive.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 10
To claim otherwise is either dishonesty or ignorance because the facts are that an unborn human being is entirely alive. At no point of its development is it not alive, dead, or not human.
Having established that an unborn human being is both human and alive, we now move on to the human rights violation.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
"all men are created equal", "unalienable Rights", "Life"
Some will say the Declaration of Independence is not law, but merely a letter written to the King of England declaring separation from the kingdom.
But it does address the entire race of men.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 12
"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
"nor shall any state deprive any person of life"
"nor shall" "deprive" "any person" "life"
This statement expresses the protection applicable to "any person" regarding their right to "life".
Some will tell you the unborn is not a person and thus the statement is not applicable to the unborn.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
So DNA evidence is respected as conclusive by the American legal system. Therefore, the unborn is unique.
In the Black's Law dictionary definition, it says "a human being" - "a" meaning singular which supports the Merriam-Webster qualification of individual.
So the unborn is a human being by virtue of its DNA, and is also an individual by virtue of its DNA (*) and therefore a person.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
So the unborn is a human being and is also an individual by virtue of its DNA (*) and therefore a person.
And all rights applicable to a "person", therefore apply to the unborn and the unborn is therefore SUPPOSED to be protected by the 14th Amendment's right to "life" of the Due Process Clause.
Some will notice that the 14th Amendment starts out by saying "All persons born or naturalized" and claim that means you have to be born to enjoy the protection of the 14th Amendment's rights.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 14
But this dispute fails because not all rights are limited to citizens. Some rights are applicable to "any person" and not necessarily citizens. The instant a person sets foot on American soil, they have rights. They are not citizens until they become naturalized and can not vote in American elections for example.
So there is a clear distinction between basic human rights and the rights of citizens.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 14
Closer examination combined with modern scientific facts regarding biology, DNA, life, etc. reveal that an unborn human being does in fact qualify for the protection of the right to life.
Also, abortion laws were on the books for roughly a century after the 14th Amendment was signed and such laws were present prior to the ratification of the Amendment indicating the authors of the Amendment saw no exclusion of rights for the unborn.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 18
So why is abortion legal? For the same reason slavery was legal. It is a discrepancy in the law that permits a human rights violation. Review of the court cases (Roe v. Wade, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, et al) reveal how this discrepancy happened. The Court failed to realize that the 14th Amendment also applies to the unborn. There was a basic assumption that it did not.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 17
Weedy says....
"I have no problem with experimenting on a fetus once removed from the womb, with no chance at life."
The Nazis had no problem experimenting with human life either.
You are a pawn of Satan in the Culture of Death!
teton99 2 years ago
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tet: Yes...and Nazi's also breathed air...so of course that makes you one...since you breathe air too...right?
If the experiments are to better life for those who are actually living, I see no reason not to experiment on non-living fetuses. We use cadavers all the time for medical advancement. I am sure that is evil...right?
It is too bad you want everyone to live in the stone age and never seek advancements that may save, better or prolong life.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Weedy says...
"and Nazi's also breathed air...so of course that makes you one...since you breathe air too...right?"
Wrong!!!
What a poor moral equivalence you have made, but I can understand you have to limit you scope of morality to justify your very thin premise of murdering innocent human beings.
The sun shines on us all as the bible says, good and evil alike. Your ability to understand distinctions and comparisons are very limited indeed.
teton99 2 years ago
tet: I did not make the faulty moral comparison, you did. I understand comparisons, and that is why I made basically the same level of comparison as you did. If we are to follow your 1+1 = 47 math, you are just as evil as any Nazi because you breathe air like they did.
A fetus is not a living human being until it is no longer a fetus at all and is born with life. Again, not all fetuses are born with life.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
"baby": "an extremely young child"
"child": "an unborn or recently born person".
14th Amendment:
"nor shall any state deprive any person of life".
"any person"
"child": "unborn . . . person"
Therefore any unborn human being (person) has the right to life and is protected by the Constitution per the 14th Amendment.
Much like slavery (Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson), the court legalized the violation of basic human rights.
Those cases were overturned. 4 SCOTUS justices voted to overturn Roe.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 5
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tics: Your twisting of Dictionary definitions is pathetic.
A child is a person born with life. Not all fetuses are born with life and become children.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
LOL - you are an idiot.
How can you, even in your ridiculous cloud of stupidity, claim that anyone WHO IS QUOTING THE DICTIONARY VERBATIM is "twisting" a quoted definition?
Had I misquoted the dictionary, you would have a point, but I did not. I quoted it word for word, precisely without distortion or modification.
child: "an unborn or recently born person"
Merriam-Webster, 9th Edition.
Word for word Weed.
Your lie is debunked. Again. As usual. Yet one more time.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 9
You wanting biological truth to be untrue does not make it false, it makes you false.
Its really simple to see. Take any other mammal and consider the gestation of its young. Prior to birth the unborn mammal is in a state of biological development. It is growing, developing, metabolizing, moving autonomously, and reacting to stimuli.
It is therefore biologically alive.
What species it is has no relevance on the fact that it is alive.
You lying about it does not change this truth.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 5
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tics: Humans are not like other animals. We have a soul.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
"Humans are not like other animals. We have a soul. "
Irrelevant. The topic is not faith, it is biological life. Abortion is a medical procedure in the realm of biology, not philosophy or religion. There is no action being taken on a soul, there is no proof upon which decisions can be made in favor of a soul so a soul is irrelevant with respect to law.
Your Satanic mind has been clouded into that delusion.
Come up out of the lake of fire and get some fresh air.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 9
Weedy...
"We use cadavers all the time for medical advancement. I am sure that is evil...right?"
Wrong!!!
Cadavers unlike unborn babies are dead and show no signs of live, movement, growth, sensation of pain, etc... Plus most people who have given their remains over to science have Consented to it when they were alive.
Unlike unborn babies that are truly human & alive. They are victims of an evil ideology that disrespects human life in much the same way as the Nazis did.
teton99 2 years ago
tet: A fetus removed from the womb by abortion also shows no signs of life, movement, growth, or sensations of pain. It is lifeless and would be fine for experimentation, again, only if that experimentation serves some purpose to better life for those who live.
Again, your opinion of life existing before birth is just that...opinion, and you have nothing to prove otherwise. You have no right to call my belief in God evil, just because it differs from your own.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Wrong Weed.
Here is where you expose both your uncommon ignorance and blatant stupidity for all the world to see.
The FACT that biological life exists prior to birth is widely know, proven to be true and accepted everywhere but between your wax filled ears.
Growth
Metabolism
Autonomous movement
Reaction to stimuli
These are the criteria for biological life and an unborn human being exhibits every one of those criteria.
Every single one, at every stage of its development.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 5
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tics: The only criteria for life is a human soul given by God. If you knew anything about God, you would know that.
You really should try to find out what God is about.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
"The only criteria for life is a human soul given by God."
Prove it.
Your statement is false. You are lying. You are a lover of lies.
Your statement is proved false by this simple fact.
An non-human living organism is a living organism.
Your false statement claims that a human soul is a criteria for life.
I want nothing to do with your God. Your God delights in the death of the unborn. Your God has twisted your mind into a disease.
Your God is Satan. He has deceived you.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 8
For you to call unborn life an "opinion" is a lot like you claiming that 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion.
Empirically verifiable facts are not opinions.
Biological life is a verifiable truth.
If a patient is on the operating table and all of its biological functions cease, they determine time of death to be the point at which the biological functions cease, not the point at which an intangible soul leaves the body.
An organism is either biologically alive or it is not.
An empirically verifiable fact.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 5
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tics: 2 men and 2 cats does not equal 4 men. So sometimes, 2 + 2 = 4 IS an opinion or a false equation.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Wrong Weed.
2 + 2 = 4 is always a true statement - always.
You might have noticed there is no qualification for WHAT the quantities represent.
2 men and 2 cats are still 4 objects.
There is no opinion involved.
The 4 is not dependent on what the quantities are, just the amount of them.
It is NEVER an opinion. And it is NEVER a false equation.
This is more evidence that Satan has clouded your judgment. Were you not unreasonably addicted to stupidity, this would have been obvious to you.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 8
In an abortion, you have a biologically verifiable living organism. You can examine its growth rate - even measure it (at a certain stage, the unborn doubles its size every day).
After the abortion is over, those same cells are no longer growing, dividing, metabolizing, moving, reacting. They go from being living cells with living cellular activity to being dead cells that do nothing but decompose.
Abortion is intentionally killing an innocent living human being.
No getting around that fact.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 6
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tics: Before an abortion, you have a developing fetus that may never be born as a person, even if left undisturbed.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Wrong Weed.
A developing fetus is a human being, and therefore a person. Satan has confused you into trying to deny this truth because he wants your support to kill more unborn human beings.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 8
That is a critical difference.
I can prove, empirically, with hard reliable evidence that biological life exists at the moment of conception.
You can not prove anything about a soul.
I can also prove that the Supreme Court decisions to be overturned someday make no mention of soul or religion, but instead refer to the biological term "viability".
You are wrong on the facts and you are wrong with your claim that the legality of abortion has anything to do with the 1st Amendment.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 6
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tics: The Constitution does not require me to prove God exists to believe in him.
You can't prove the Surpreme court will do anything. You do not know the future.
Even if they abolished Roe, we could have legal abortion with no law at all. Each person can decide the issue for themself without law.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
"The Constitution does not require me to prove God exists to believe in him."
You are an idiot Weeda. I have already told you what ten times now that:
1) I do not contest that statement.
2) That statement is irrelevant as abortion law makes no reference to religion.
Four Supreme Court justices have already voted to overturn Roe.
And the LAW protects the "right to life" in the 14th Amendment.
You can not decide for yourself who you can and can not kill.
You can not kill anyone.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 9
The 1st Amendment is never referenced in any abortion case reviewed by the Supreme Court.
But the 14th Amendment is. So the discrepancy that permits the human rights violation of abortion has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment which is the only Amendment that references religious freedom.
This debunks you.
Religious arguments have no relevance with the subject of abortion. Abortion is not a religious ceremony, it is a medical procedure.
A procedure that intentionally kills the innocent.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 6
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tics: Abortion IS a medical procedure.
We have no law for people to decide to have their nose changed, a tattoo removed, facial hair removed, tonsils taken out, appendectomy, teeth whitened or any nbumber of other things done withg their bodies. We need no law for people to decide to have an abortion either.
I say, "Abolish all abortion law and let people decide for themselfves".
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
"We have no law for people to decide to have their nose changed"
Weed, your statement is a classic example of the Straw Man fallacy. Your analogy is false.
An abortion is not a procedure that affects the cells of a person carrying a child.
It is a procedure done on another organism with its own unique, completely human DNA.
You can list all the medical procedures you want that don't involve someone else.
That does not change the fact that abortion does involve someone else.
You failed Satan.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 6
Or would you object to such a procedure?
Is it unlawful for a woman to have her children's limbs amputated while still in the womb?
If yes, why?
If not, why not?
If it is not alive, then you have no objection to severing the limbs, poking out the eyes, cutting off the ears, the nose, etc. then birthing the child so it enters the world like you.
Deaf, blind, and completely stupid.
If you do object to such practices, you must concede, it is alive.
And if it is alive, abortion kills it.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 14
But don't take my word for it.
See for yourself.
watch?v=e3LhS2io5lk
Watch the unborn open and close their mouth and move their hand in front of their face - a human hand and a human face - before being dismembered in an abortion.
Imagine if that was Weeda in his mother's womb.
Would he be less dead if he were killed weeks after he was born compared to weeks before he was born?
Or are decomposing cells still decomposing regardless their age?
This is what you are defending Weeda.
Look at it.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 18
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Tics: Development requires movement. It is a part of the development processa and only one of many symptoms opf life. Movement itself is not life. Many records exist of dead bodies moving well after death.
Pictures do not show life. Life is a human soul in a body that has been born.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Development IS movement idiot.
You can not grow without occupying more space.
Occupying more space is movement.
Therefore, growth/development IS movement.
That is your defense?
Pathetic.
And a developing unborn human being satisfies EVERY SINGLE criteria for biological life, despite the FACT that to satisfy a definition, you only require ONE criteria!
You just admitted that movement is development and that development is one symptom of life.
Therefore any growing, moving organism IS ALIVE.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 9
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tics: You really have no room to call ANYONE an idiot.
Development CAN exist without movement and movement CAN exist without development.
I did not admit to anything more than movement is ONE of MANY symptoms of life, but that does not mean that if you have movement, you have life.
Dead bodies have been documented to move. They are not developing or alive.
You can try to twist what I say to mean something it doesn't...but it still does not mean what you want it to mean.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Look foolish one, I am not the one that claimed development and movement were dependent on one another, you are.
Irrelevant. A zygote satisfies EVERY SINGLE criteria for the definition of biological life. Every one.
Growth.
Autonomous movement.
Metabolism.
Reaction to stimuli.
Dead cells do not move. They do not develop, they do not metabolize, they do not react to anything.
Not every cell in a body begins decomposition at the same exact instant in time.
But a cell that decomposes is dead.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 4
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tics: What is irrelevant is your opinion on what abortion is...because the bottom line is that abortion is LEGAL...and going to STAY THAT WAY.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Opinion is irrelevant Weed, which I why I don't waste time on it.
I instead focus on those pesky little things you can't address like verifiable facts, truth, evidence admissible in court, founding documents, law, constitutional amendments - you know all that big, relevant grown up stuff you can't seem to grasp.
No court case references coming from you.
Or definition quotes, or premises, or conclusions, or facts, or truth or sense or anything worthy of being posted on even a YouTube site.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 8
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tics: You waste your time instead asking thje same questions and getting the same answers.
Abortion is legal, and that is not going to change. You had better get used to it.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Hi again Satan.
You don't really believe I am asking you questions seeking an answer from a dimwit like you do you?
Since you still don't get it, I'll explain it to you.
I already know you lack the capacity to address facts and reasoned logical arguments. My questions to you are rhetorical. They aren't necessarily meant for someone as dumb as you.
My questions are for anyone reading this forum to expose the flaws in your position and reveal the true nature of abortion.
Change is coming!
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 11
Satan, you know this, but others might not so I'll announce it publicly.
When an unborn is still in the womb and its nervous system is freshly developed, experiments have shown that at this stage, the reaction to stimuli is more dramatic than at any other stage of a human being's life.
So not only does the unborn feel pain, it has a greater reaction to its environment - it feels MORE PAIN at this stage than any other.
Like having exposed nerve endings being over stimulated.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 13
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tics: I find it amusing that you call ME satan when I am the one who believes in God and human souls and you don't.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Hello Satan.
You have no clue of my beliefs because I have not shared them. They have no relevance with respect to the topic of the intentional killing of innocent human beings that you advocate.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 8
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Thank you for resorting to childishness and using name calling as your weapon of choice. It just shows how frustrated you are that you can never refute anything I have said.
You have nothing to show that a fetus has a soul, and can not prove that qualitive human life exists in the body before birth with life.
Abortion has been legal for a very long time and it will continue to be legal...and your frustration is not with me. It is with the fact that you have lost.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
I have refuted everything you have said.
I have not claimed anything about a soul because, being something unprovable, has no relevance.
And I can prove that "qualitative life" exists in the body prior to birth. The qualitative analysis of a fertilized egg reveals that it is in fact human and by virtue of its development, it is alive.
Your claim of frustration is simply false. Its not a matter of emotion, but of facts.
That you are an agent of Satan's will is also a fact.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 5
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tics: You have offered up opinion.
Someone who says, "Dead Jews Happen" really has no room to call anyone else "Satan".
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Someone who claims that "feeling movement inside" is "mistaking that for . . . human life" has no room to call anyone anything.
You wantonly disregard human life as if it were nothing - did not exist.
You are indeed a Satanist and you are doing his will.
You openly advocate the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
You are a disgusting vile creature with no respect for life. And you lie about God to advance your culture of death agenda.
"Weeda happens".
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 9
Detainees brought to America would have the right to life and due process of law, but not being citizens, would not have the right to vote.
Which takes us back to the Human Rights violation of abortion. The rights of the 14th Amendment are applicable to "any person" and an unborn human being is a person when the definitions are properly examined.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 14
Abortion is a human rights violation made legal through a discrepancy in the law, not unlike that which deprived slaves of their basic human rights.
Intentionally killing innocent human beings is a violation of the human rights of the human being who is being killed.
Abortion is the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
Abortion is therefore a violation of the human rights of the human being who is being killed.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 23
So what is it going to be Satan?
Can you torture an unborn you intend to bring into life?
Or do you have to recant your every statement and concede that the unborn human being developing in its mother's womb is in fact alive and abortion kills it?
Torture?
Or life?
Abortion is the intentional killing of innocent human beings.
It is intentional, it is killing and organism that it kills is entirely human.
Epic fail on your part. All of your lies and you can not escape the torture scenario.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 16
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Tics: Neither. Not everything fits into your narrow minded view of things.
God is not "Either / or". God created all souls when he created the first, they all reside in heaven until a body is ready for birth. Then he gives the body a soul and it lives, or he doesn't and the body is born without life. It happens all the time.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Prove it.
You keep claiming to speak for God. Yet the references you cite debunk your own claims.
Do not tell me what you think God does. Quote a verse.
You do not speak for God.
Either quote God verbatim, or do not claim he does or did anything.
Lest you distort His word.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 6
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tics: I do not speak for God...God spoke to us already in his word. You just refuse to pay any attention.
I am not going to apologize for my belief in God, and I do not have to prove him to you to enjoy religious freedom.
In Jeremiah 1:5 God says he knew him before he was formed. God is telling us we exist (Our soul...our life) before the biological conception, and that our body is not who we are. You might want to read the Bible sometime. Maybe you will understand Gods word if you do.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago
Actually Weed, you are guilty of distorting the word He gave. I have not asked you to apologize for anything. Your belief is in lies.
And nothing about abortion has anything to do with religious freedom.
You have failed to address the issue of harming the unborn.
Do you support injuring the unborn?
Your advocacy for abortion caused GIanna Jessen to have Cerebral Palsy for the rest of her life.
Perhaps you should apologize to her.
MetaphysicalPolitics 2 years ago 5
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tics: I have distorted nothing. God's word is there for you to read, if you bother to do so.
My advocacy of abortion has harmed no one.
WeedaPeople 2 years ago