If I say that using SAVESTATES is cheating, then, several Let's play videos are made by cheaters, because there are Let's play uploaders that ABUSE it. In special, people who do that type of videos with the Kaizo Mario games.
@shinobikurisu On the subject of let's plays, I find them MUCH more enjoyable to watch when the player doesn't use savestates; I looked on YouTube for a VIP Mario 4 let's play a while back, and only found people who use savestates. It's a hard game and all, but come on, I even beat it without savestates. I looked on Nico Nico Douga and found a Japanese let's player who played it without them, and I watched his entire series.
@Harkruel No worries, I know what you mean, it's just that some tool-assisted runs actually cheat. It's a subtle fact when most of the feats are possible, but oh yes, I have spotted cheaters. Some of them get LOTS of attention, but I didn't get in to make waves. Tell you what though, if you really want to know, I'll beat some HARD games live and beat the tool-assisted runs in terms of the speed at which it's done. I can wall-jump Mario in SMB no problem. :) All live.
Somebody recently got the wrong idea about what I meant, so maybe this will help: I'm not saying all TAS runs are cheating, but some are, and the ones that aren't are more of a form of art than true gaming.
True gaming is: you boot up the game, pick up the controller and it's you at the mercy of the default nature of the game. No codes. No do-overs. Having said that, yes I still like some TAS runs. There's no reason the two cannot co-exist; however, the difference needs to be known.
Its cheating, anything outside of the game itself being used on the game to make it easier is cheating
Saying its not is like saying someone who got a SM64 speed run WR playing 10,000 times to get the world record doing nothing but playing it on their n64 and having patience is just as worthy as someone who played it 1 time and just got it frame perfect
if its admitted to using TAS and their in separate competitions I am all for it
@noname97531 I wouldn't consider this cheating really, this is beating the game as fast as you possibly can, without cheating, glitches is a lot different then cheating. not only that but they never use TAS runs in "competitions" maybe between TASers but that is by far it. it still takes the skill and know how, while playing the game.
If you can show me at least one author saying that "I am good" or "I rule and you all bite" in ANY TAS. Then any arguments against TAS is true.
Tool-Assisted Speedruns are not for showing off at all, it's main purpose, is if you remove the human factor in playing games, what would happen? What happens is a stupidly and often glitchy walkthrough of a game, because it is similar if a robot played the game. Nothing more.
@tofu336 so when you go to a TAS's description, clearly the only thing you see is "I'm here to show off how big my epeen is" am I right? or is it something along the lines of. This is a tool-assisted speedrun, played on an emulator with rerecords, savestates, slowdown, and frame-by-frame shooting. It is NOT meant to show skill, but rather the game pushed to its limits, as it is purely a form of entertainment.
and im guessing with all of that spare time you sit around and jack off right?
TAS is not GAMING, it's a kind of "art", they are not using cheat codes or Action Replay, they are not trying to make you believe that they are actually playing with the controller. TAS is not cheating.
TASes are freakin' awesome, you can go to TASvideos . org and look up MANY games that are console verified. DarkKobold ran the TAS of Super Mario Bros. 2, then attempted to do Mario 1, but failed, then he did Wizards & Warriors III, only failing at the final boss. Also, try playing three or four games at the same time with one controller for every game.
@mariobrasil9 Like i said. I do TAS too xD i mean this guy is saying that TAS is Cheating and thats why i said: i can't belive that this video has 303 thumbs up...
C est quoi cette video t es pas un speed runer toi t es un cheateur contrairement a eux eux il ne triche pas et toi t es un sous merde a triché et a mettre en titre tools assissted speed run.
It depends on one's point of view. As an art form, I respect the bits out of them.
What bothers me are the mix-ups between TAS's and legitimate runs.
No offense, but it seems backwards to say a game is pushed to its limits, when those limits are effectively erased or bypassed. To me, a game can only be pushed to its limits by sticking to the rules as a baseline. That's the point of limits. TAS's erase those limits. The skill to do a TAS is not the same skill for a traditional run.
@Insomnigamer Thank you for pointing this out. While TAS may not be "cheating" by the very definition IT IS NOT in the same league as when someone completes a speed run without TAS (the old fashioned way).
I don't think it's cheating, really. Take, for example, the 15 star SM64 TAS videos. I think it's awesome to watch what they can do and then see if it's possible on the console. The glitches that they "abuse" are, yeah, programming errors but...the TAS isn't trying to prove to anyone that the player is better or even the best at a particular game, nor is it about trying to prove how poorly the game was designed; they just take what's given to them and work with it to make an entertaining video.
yea but when you use terms like "bug abuse" or "exploiting" pretty much means your cheating. Also the fact that you are useing a 3rd party to help you do those things pretty much means that no person can do that without such devices. So in a way it is "cheating"
@SneakyD1121 Its only cheating if you compare your times to regular players. Its not like they compare their run to a normal run and say "haha, im so much better than you!" no -_- its purpose is for entertainment and im pretty sure its not cheating at entertaining people... not sure how that would be possible...but anyways, if any random person were to make a TAS, it wouldnt be NEARLY as good as the TASes out there. The players who make TASes are very good themselves most of them do non TAS also
@nyvelion I think this is the best description of TASing. It's got a little of both sides to it. The truth is that TAS IS cheating, but not to show the skill of the player. It's purpose is to show the limits and possibilities of what can be done in the game with a perfect player. In the end, TAS is all about knowledge of the game, not how fast or skillfully you move your fingers.
It's just another category or way to play a game. Like you wouldn't compare times on a speed run of fastest speed and 100 percent. Same thing, you cant compare TAS stuff to normal. Or like saying a movie sucks because it isn't real.
As long as people says that the speedrun is TAS, I have no problem with that, otherwise I do have a problem with this because a TAS and a non-TAS speedrun is 2 entirely different things.
I do consider TAS a kind of cheat because you basically alter the gameflow to be able to pullout something that would be possible if we could be that fast. I would bring Pong as an example since slowing down the speed of the game would make it a lot easier to "beat" the cpu since you have time to react.
The point of a Tool-Assisted Speedrun is to complete a game in the fastest possible time. It's not like there is only 1 TAS for games that get completely raped (such as SM64), but there are several for just glitching through the game (i.e. SM64 0 stars), completing the game with the exact amount needed (i.e. SM64 70 stars) and 100% completion (i.e. SM64 120 stars). TAS records are never compared against humans, and each TASer only competes with others in that category. TAS =/= cheating.
Though I know that there are no deliberate changes in code (which is why all cheats used to be called "cheat codes"), some people view bug and glitch abuse as cheating because it falls outside of the "acceptable, normal parameters" of gameplay. I, for one, do not support that view, but was merely playing Devil's Advocate for those who are not as well informed as some of us.
TASes aren't cheating, to make a legitimate TAS you have to follow RULES, following rules means you aren't cheating.
and when you see a TAS on youtube, you know what you will see. a speedrun made with slowdown and other tools on emulators. THATS IT. they have rules and they are followed.
The whole point of a TAS is not at all to show "Hey, I'm better than the guy who owns the speed run record, look at this run I made!". No. The whole point of a TAS is to show what the perfect speed run would look like. Needless to say, it is impossible for a human to do this stuff... which is the whole point. It shows what it would be if we were capable of it. And it's a whole lot of work in itself.
I think i know why people call it cheating and is not because people use cheats, but because they cheat.
Using a real life example: If you were playing a game of rock paper scissors and you 'slowed down time' to change your hand at the last moment, or if you were playing hide and seek and and everytime you are found you just 'loaded your last saved state' and picked another spot, wouldn't people call it cheating?
But no, you'd need to 'fly' to a hiding spot for it to be considered cheating.
@xxs3rgioxx If everyone were able to do it, and it was considered part of the rules that you can, then no. It is not cheating. That's why people say it is "tool assisted", and not that they played normally. Think of it as a challenge mode.
I'd say that TAS is only cheating if the level was possible to speedrun rather well in the first place, as well as the reason supplied by @Totema; "It's only cheating when you try to pass it off, to yourself or to others, that it's normal gameplay."
Tasruns are like an art. You may enjoy the fast paced action, but when you realize the author did a two thousand retries on a single level just to manage to get one frame faster time than the last dude. Not to mention the frame came from a couple of a pixel perfect jumps.
I enjoy watching the runs, I only wish that the authors would be more blatant with the programming error abuse. Megaman 1 tasrun is truely a masterpiece.
i don't care if it is cheating... much like illusionists, sure they cheat lie and trick you, but just for the fun of being cheated and tricked, nothing serious. on the other side a lawyer cheating and tricking the law IS a serious buisness and shouldn't be allowed...
Ish... You can still define emulator slow down and save states as cheating... Sure they aren't precisely called cheats, but you couldn't slow down a game or save states back with the original cartridge. That said, I don't condemn anyone for it.
It looks cool and I couldn't beat Mario 3 without saving states at all.
@nelynel12 No, No, I get it. I mean for just beating them though. I used save states all the time to beat Mario 3, but I always have a little pang of guilt when I do. And regardless of what their for, if it's fun for you, go for it.
there's multiple meanings and understandings of what is "cheating"
in some regards it is, in others it isn't. It differs on opinions or maybe if someone lays down a challenge it has to apply to the rules. If I was to say ok let's see who can beat it faster, and I played mine on the original snes cartridge in its console with snes controller and all, and essentially made my run "naked". And if you do your run with TA, any at all even game save or specific start speed by those means it's cheating
@iori97combo The tool is your brain, but you emulate the game to get 'save states' so if you screw up or don't know what to do to do something the fastest you will save the game , check things out , then load the game and do things as quickly as possible - the final thing to do is to edit the video for it looks smooth and for it to look like you did it all with the minimum time in one go even though it may have taken hours to do one level!
@iori97combo Not exactly. The author of the TAS goes frame-by-frame, doing the absolute most optimized moves he can, erasing his mistakes should he make any.
"The difference between unassisted and assisted speedrunning could be summarized as follows: tool-assisted speedruns are about the game itself, and about finding the absolute fastest way through the game, while unassisted speedruns are largely about the players and their ability to skillfully beat the game."
Oh, one more thing. Don't like tool-assisted videos? Let's see what you have to offer. Last I checked, something still beats nothing every time. I don't even care if *you* do questionable things in them. It's not my place to judge. But if you grumble about the videos here and don't provide any alternative, your opinion doesn't matter any more than that of some random lunatic on the street. *Which we suspect you may very well be.*
I signed up with YouTube to watch beautiful, amazing, awesome, breathtaking, transcendent videos. I love watching these TAS's *because* they're so incredible and far beyond anything I'm capable of. If any of you are here to throw around hoary whinings about fake this and fail that, please do me a favor: *tell it to someone who cares*.
Its not cheating, because its not playing, its performance. My fave TAS vid to date is the Nemesis one where he flys rings (literally) around things. The thing is... all that you see in TAS movies is also possible. Its what would happen if a real A.I. played computer games.
So its not cheating, its not playing, its bloody amazing performance, I would call it art.
Did he claim to have produced the run in real time? I'll save you time and provide the answer: "No." There was no trickery, lying, or deceitfulness involved, so it's not cheating.
And saying "they were not possible in the original game console" is far from the truth. Search "mario 1 nes robot," then revise your statement.
But that's precisely what is not explained clearly in the video. He should have written explicitely that a TAS video is NOT a real-time recorded performance. It's the art of doing massive cut and paste and edit of human play, then replaying the whole thing by a robot.
Whether that's called cheating or not is not really relevant then if everyone agrees on what TAS is.
I think tool assistance is an acceptable form of cheating. You may not mess with code, RAM, or registers, but you do bypass the normal interface, which takes luck and reflexes out of the scenario. What makes it acceptable (and entertaining) is that the purpose is not to defeat an opponent or showcase the player's skill but to demonstrate knowledge of the game mechanics and the limits of the game engine. Personally, I don't see what's so bad about the word "cheating" that TASers don't like it.
TAS is cheat! Why? Say I want to play through Contra without dying ones... the whole game... ooops! I died! I'm just gonna use TAS to rewind that failure... boom! Cheating! It's not different from using save states... Try to do the no death run on the console back in the days when emulators were out of the question! Retards...
@Feno900 yah it does... if you fail at one point in the middle of a stage you can just reload some seconds back and do a new try... Real gamers start from the beginning again... It doesn't count beating say the first stage of Castlevania 1 without damage in a TAS run cause you use load states every now and then if you get hit... A perfect run is 1 shot always with 1 try, if you fail then you're screwed...
@Shikaroxen TAS is about speed, they do one take, no save-states or rewinds. If they screw up they do it again until they get the fastest time possible. If they don't, it's not a speedrun.
@Feno900 If that's what you think then ok... By the logic you're using then I agree... But the fact is they do use rewinds and save-states and not in 1 shot... If you have a different experience that's cool... You actually might know decent people who can play. But most people who use TAS does not do it in 1 shot... There's no need to use TAS to slow down time either... that's not using skills... Games are about using reflexes, slow down time for GoW quick events!? No!! No need for TAS..
@Shikaroxen Well what I mean is that in their one successful run they do it in one shot, I'm sure they use rewinds and save states when they practice, but in the end they do it perfectly.
In the end though, a TAS is not about showing skill. It's about entertainment, and it's about doing fancy tricks.
@Feno900 Note sure what to say about them practicing for one shot... So I'll leave at that... But I do agree about entertainment. Kinda tired right now so I'll leave this as it is right now ^^'
Uh, you do know what a rerecord is, right? Every tas run created keeps track of how many recordings were created from start to finish. One of Nitsuja's Sonic 3 tas runs has 216,964 rerecords.
The distinction for me is, what does the video purport to be? TASes don't advertise themselves as anything other than they are, tool-assisted speedruns designed to be fun to watch and demonstrate the game being beat as quickly as possible.
They don't claim to be the fastest human time of the game. So people who whine about cheating are missing the point of why the run exists: to create an interesting video to watch. That's all.
Well, I still think TAS are kind of a cheating device when it comes to stages in Jump 'n Runs that need you to do more tricky jumps than just holding right. If you did this with a really difficult stage and got about the same time then I'd say TASs are fine.
In other words : If someone would manage to beat IWBTG or any other difficult Platformer without a TAS with the best possible time, then a TAS of it would be no cheat from my point of view.... so unless that happens, it is one :P
@zebdal Read closely what I wrote please : I never said that there's games out there noone has beaten yet (even the worst and most difficult ones got beaten already), but the purpose of a speedrun is, well, getting through a stage/level/map/whatever in the shortest amount of time possible right ?
So, saving time completing a level by having the ability to time jumps and other moves frame by frame perfectly is cheating because you got an advantage an average gamer doesn't have.
Semantics. Words aren't defined by you or even the dictionary, but by the population overall that use them. You aren't cheating by your own definition, but that doesn't mean that its objectively true. That being said, I absolutely love TAS and don't care whether its cheating or not, because its not competitive toward people who play by hand. Its artistic imho.
@yopoke190 Actually TAS = take months and months of frame by frame playing and frame counting to get video intended to entertain but ends up getting bashed by idiots who don't know what TAS means.
when you see a tas record thats what it is...a tas record which goes against other TAS RECORDS...normal runs and tas runs are different things...ive been practicing super metroid on tas and its 100x harder if u do a speedrun to perfection... XD 1557 rerecordings for jus 7 minutes of video
TAS is a demonstration of the best time a normal person could do if he used NO cheats and made a perfect flawless performance while exploiting every glitch in the game that allows him to be faster. It's NOT cheat, nor real. :) The first TAS I watched was actually the first popular TAS : The 11 mins SMB3. I was amazed, I though it was real, until I heard it was not. I was not deceived cause very hard work and patience must be put into it to give the flawless result, which I sort of admire.
@Rawfies actually normal people can't come close to a TAS speed run due to the lack of reflexes, speed, and timing that they require in most cases. but they aren't cheating technically. whoever ever said that they were is an idiot...
tas is not cheating! They use slowdowns and save states but you still need to know how to get through the level fast and it still requires skill. I tried something like that once and it was very hard.
@IamJacksSTD Glitches are the flaws from the developers. You can't blame people for exploiting glitches, only blame developers not to make the map/game/program perfect.
It's like grey area of laws, you can't sue people for using those loop holes, you can only blame law for not being 100% black and white.
@IamJacksSTD There is no objective source of what is "meant" to be, because the developers are not at your beck and call to tell you what they intended. There is only the game as it is, and playing it through the given inputs. Anything that bypasses the given inputs (like memory hacks) is "cheating", not that there's anything really wrong with that either. Live human play, TAS, and "cheating" are all different.
TAS is for amusement only since it takes a lot of work because they take advantage of the emulator and its considered cheating in a sense but they are not using any codes. speed runs is a different thing. they'll finish the game but they take advantage of the games bugs and glitches and also without the codes.
search youtube for...
"Rockman ( Megaman ) X speedrun with CHEATS in 25:49 part1"
this is an example of witch cheats. it can only be done with codes.
I'd say TAS is not cheating. Everything being done in one is normally...if you can call it that, doable on any normal version of a game out there. It shows a potential, since no human can react to things with accuracy down to the last frame and what data is actually saying, like what RNG actually say. Some info about RNGs have been cracked by humans without emulators or other tools, like .1% weapon drops in FF12.
Whoever says a TAS is cheating, has no clue what they are made for. It's entertainment and a buttload of work to do. Also it is just impressive, how good TASers know a game, what enables them to break it that hard. We all know how to finish/play Mario64 or OoT for instance; we've done and seen it hundreds of times. But breaking the game, using all its flaws and bugs and beating it in, let's say, 10% or less of normal playtime - that's just fun to watch.
You shouldn't mind trolls that make an unfair association TAS/cheating.
It is just because TAS is about something they don't understand, and if they don't understand, they defend themself by screaming bullshit (this is why Galileo was almost executed, incomprehension), because they are not as smart as the guys who can manipulate the emulator that good.
In conclusion, those guys are just insipid ignorants, so ignore them, and it will be fine.
If its no cheating , show us a video from a normal camera where you play a game on the real snes not on a emulator, bacause so long you all speedrunners will play your game on emulators i can´t believe that it is no cheating...
I hope some people learn something from this. Obviously, TAS's are NOT meant to show skill. Although it still takes considerable gaming knowledge to perfect, it's supposed to push the boundaries of the game itself to its limits, devoid of any human error or reaction time.
Of course TAS's belong in a different category, but they are still just as noteworthy, entertaining, and often times, difficult, as unassisted speedruns.
This argument keeps reminding me there is people who think strafe jumping in quake 3 is cheating when really its not outside of the game restrictions. These TAS videos are pretty close to watching good defrag players. What would really make it cheating is claiming its unassisted. Which isn't claimed.
Out of all the comments I read,which wasn't many since it's just a big argument and is annoying to read, Maxx's input about it is about as best as it gets. Bragging about times is stupid and is probably why most people even call it cheating because there's the --impression-- that people who use TAS are competing with "legit" speedruns and think they're better. It's not really cheating since it doesn't just make the game easier,which is what cheats do,you have to learn how to do it first.
People. For the God's sake, PLEASE READ VIDEO DESCRIPTIONS BEFORE WATCHING! That is the only problem that started all the "cheating" fad (I agree with molitva2007).
TAS is not meant to show skill and neither cheating! They're meant just to provide entertainment to the users and show how fast a game can be finished while pushing it to its limits. And that may produce glitches in the game just by that.
Its Cheating, a Speed run is one solid Run Legitimately as fast as possible, not slowed down (makes it easier) or save states (cover up mistakes) there aren't real skills involved.
Are tool-assisted speedruns cheating? Not really. If they're done just to show off the game for informative purposes, then they're great. But only for that purpose.
Should TAS times be counted as any sort of world record? Fuck no, so no one who does them should be bragging about their times in their video titles. "You beat Super Mario Bros. 3 in 13 minutes?" Come back when you do that shit using your own skill and no glitch-abusing, then I'll be impressed.
all of u fuckers that say it is cheatin, u are just jealous cause u cant do it and have not spent the time to at least try it...i was jealous of these TAS videos once, but when i finally got my chance to actually try to TAS a game, i realized how much time u need to spend, and to say the least how difficult it is to get everything right. its very frustrating! its not cheating, so how about all u TAS hating fucks go and try it urselves and shut ur stupid mouths up already.
When A person goes out to make a TAS and they make a TAS they aren't cheating since they are doing what they are supposed to, they are following the rules,. Submitting a TAS to TASvideos is fine because they expect you to use the tools. on the other hand making a TAS and saying that's it's real time playing that's cheating since you are going outside of the rules. but then again, people don't think that because everything has to be the way they play it, or else its noobhaxlololol.
IMO, TAS is the peak of what is possible, while a normal is the peak of a human speedrun. Since humans have a limit of what they can do, TAS is simply enhancing the players ability. You still have to play, just under different circumstances. I still think a non-TAS of 10 minutes is better than a TAS of 9 minutes though.
Thank you for this video. I was planning to do it, but since I found yours, there's no need. :P
megagregorz 1 day ago
If I say that using SAVESTATES is cheating, then, several Let's play videos are made by cheaters, because there are Let's play uploaders that ABUSE it. In special, people who do that type of videos with the Kaizo Mario games.
shinobikurisu 1 week ago
@shinobikurisu On the subject of let's plays, I find them MUCH more enjoyable to watch when the player doesn't use savestates; I looked on YouTube for a VIP Mario 4 let's play a while back, and only found people who use savestates. It's a hard game and all, but come on, I even beat it without savestates. I looked on Nico Nico Douga and found a Japanese let's player who played it without them, and I watched his entire series.
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@Harkruel No worries, I know what you mean, it's just that some tool-assisted runs actually cheat. It's a subtle fact when most of the feats are possible, but oh yes, I have spotted cheaters. Some of them get LOTS of attention, but I didn't get in to make waves. Tell you what though, if you really want to know, I'll beat some HARD games live and beat the tool-assisted runs in terms of the speed at which it's done. I can wall-jump Mario in SMB no problem. :) All live.
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Somebody recently got the wrong idea about what I meant, so maybe this will help: I'm not saying all TAS runs are cheating, but some are, and the ones that aren't are more of a form of art than true gaming.
True gaming is: you boot up the game, pick up the controller and it's you at the mercy of the default nature of the game. No codes. No do-overs. Having said that, yes I still like some TAS runs. There's no reason the two cannot co-exist; however, the difference needs to be known.
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Insomnigamer 3 weeks ago
Its cheating, anything outside of the game itself being used on the game to make it easier is cheating
Saying its not is like saying someone who got a SM64 speed run WR playing 10,000 times to get the world record doing nothing but playing it on their n64 and having patience is just as worthy as someone who played it 1 time and just got it frame perfect
if its admitted to using TAS and their in separate competitions I am all for it
noname97531 1 month ago
@noname97531 I wouldn't consider this cheating really, this is beating the game as fast as you possibly can, without cheating, glitches is a lot different then cheating. not only that but they never use TAS runs in "competitions" maybe between TASers but that is by far it. it still takes the skill and know how, while playing the game.
Harkruel 3 weeks ago
If you can show me at least one author saying that "I am good" or "I rule and you all bite" in ANY TAS. Then any arguments against TAS is true.
Tool-Assisted Speedruns are not for showing off at all, it's main purpose, is if you remove the human factor in playing games, what would happen? What happens is a stupidly and often glitchy walkthrough of a game, because it is similar if a robot played the game. Nothing more.
stridervm 1 month ago
I argue that TAS isn't cheating because TASers aren't PLAYING the game, they're dissecting it like an experiment.
perun1nj 1 month ago 2
@perun1nj Exactly. I hate that I can't come up with something that short and sweet and so correct.
Insomnigamer 3 weeks ago
tas= show off how much you have time to waste.
tas= you can't play speed run the legitimate way
tas= attention whore
tas= skilless monkeys who have too much time on their hands
tas= slowing down+saving every second just for 0.1 second faster than a legitimate speed run
tas= is not to entertain but to purely show off one's e-peen
tofu336 1 month ago
@tofu336 +100000000 from me.
MrKryptan 1 month ago
@tofu336 so when you go to a TAS's description, clearly the only thing you see is "I'm here to show off how big my epeen is" am I right? or is it something along the lines of. This is a tool-assisted speedrun, played on an emulator with rerecords, savestates, slowdown, and frame-by-frame shooting. It is NOT meant to show skill, but rather the game pushed to its limits, as it is purely a form of entertainment.
and im guessing with all of that spare time you sit around and jack off right?
Harkruel 3 weeks ago
TAS is to entertain others only. Not to show off etc etc.
rebellis13 1 month ago
Nice Speed-Run before the TAS! :D
glitchhunter5000 1 month ago
TAS is not GAMING, it's a kind of "art", they are not using cheat codes or Action Replay, they are not trying to make you believe that they are actually playing with the controller. TAS is not cheating.
Sniperkitten971 2 months ago
TASes are freakin' awesome, you can go to TASvideos . org and look up MANY games that are console verified. DarkKobold ran the TAS of Super Mario Bros. 2, then attempted to do Mario 1, but failed, then he did Wizards & Warriors III, only failing at the final boss. Also, try playing three or four games at the same time with one controller for every game.
sbloom85 2 months ago
@sbloom85 Oh yeah, those games were played during SDA's Summer Games Done Quick marathon.
sbloom85 2 months ago
303 thumps up???
wow i can't belive that 303 peoples are so stiupid and belive this guy...
NBKevin98x 3 months ago
@NBKevin98x Thanks for the valid point, jackass.
ViennaMoose 2 months ago
@NBKevin98x they are not cheating, never heard about "glitches" and "bugs"?
*le dumb saying* :
"glitch is teh thing sora beats in teh kingdom hearts recoded
and bugs is teh bugs bunney"
LOL. And TAS are awesome. I bet you can't make a tas
mariobrasil9 2 months ago
@mariobrasil9 Like i said. I do TAS too xD i mean this guy is saying that TAS is Cheating and thats why i said: i can't belive that this video has 303 thumbs up...
Understand? of course i liek TASing :P
NBKevin98x 2 months ago
@NBKevin98x but he said its not cheating, ah blah i just know tas are kewl
mariobrasil9 2 months ago
@mariobrasil9 oh =O
then this video is good
ye tas rocks
NBKevin98x 2 months ago
C est quoi cette video t es pas un speed runer toi t es un cheateur contrairement a eux eux il ne triche pas et toi t es un sous merde a triché et a mettre en titre tools assissted speed run.
Drasil78 3 months ago
It depends on one's point of view. As an art form, I respect the bits out of them.
What bothers me are the mix-ups between TAS's and legitimate runs.
No offense, but it seems backwards to say a game is pushed to its limits, when those limits are effectively erased or bypassed. To me, a game can only be pushed to its limits by sticking to the rules as a baseline. That's the point of limits. TAS's erase those limits. The skill to do a TAS is not the same skill for a traditional run.
Insomnigamer 4 months ago
@Insomnigamer Thank you for pointing this out. While TAS may not be "cheating" by the very definition IT IS NOT in the same league as when someone completes a speed run without TAS (the old fashioned way).
dwcai81 2 months ago
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Insomnigamer 4 months ago
I don't think it's cheating, really. Take, for example, the 15 star SM64 TAS videos. I think it's awesome to watch what they can do and then see if it's possible on the console. The glitches that they "abuse" are, yeah, programming errors but...the TAS isn't trying to prove to anyone that the player is better or even the best at a particular game, nor is it about trying to prove how poorly the game was designed; they just take what's given to them and work with it to make an entertaining video.
BigTallRob18 4 months ago
yea but when you use terms like "bug abuse" or "exploiting" pretty much means your cheating. Also the fact that you are useing a 3rd party to help you do those things pretty much means that no person can do that without such devices. So in a way it is "cheating"
But its fine for entertainment value.
patrick5087 4 months ago
TAS is real not fake you idiots
Luigi2011SM64 4 months ago
27793 re-records. why would you hate on someone who has put that much time and effort into entertaining you?
Kosmicd12 4 months ago
@SneakyD1121 Its only cheating if you compare your times to regular players. Its not like they compare their run to a normal run and say "haha, im so much better than you!" no -_- its purpose is for entertainment and im pretty sure its not cheating at entertaining people... not sure how that would be possible...but anyways, if any random person were to make a TAS, it wouldnt be NEARLY as good as the TASes out there. The players who make TASes are very good themselves most of them do non TAS also
Kosmicd12 4 months ago
@nyvelion I think this is the best description of TASing. It's got a little of both sides to it. The truth is that TAS IS cheating, but not to show the skill of the player. It's purpose is to show the limits and possibilities of what can be done in the game with a perfect player. In the end, TAS is all about knowledge of the game, not how fast or skillfully you move your fingers.
Sheecacaa3 5 months ago
It's just another category or way to play a game. Like you wouldn't compare times on a speed run of fastest speed and 100 percent. Same thing, you cant compare TAS stuff to normal. Or like saying a movie sucks because it isn't real.
Megahedron1501 5 months ago
looooooooool had a good laugh at the cheating run
MATHGODpi 5 months ago
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Normanslovejesus 5 months ago
Cheater
dtoppression 5 months ago
As long as people says that the speedrun is TAS, I have no problem with that, otherwise I do have a problem with this because a TAS and a non-TAS speedrun is 2 entirely different things.
I do consider TAS a kind of cheat because you basically alter the gameflow to be able to pullout something that would be possible if we could be that fast. I would bring Pong as an example since slowing down the speed of the game would make it a lot easier to "beat" the cpu since you have time to react.
My 2¢
crawd127 5 months ago
Whenever you need to see a video game the whole through played perfectly like a movie. You do a speed run.SPEEDRUN FTW!!!!! Don't hate congratulate.
SDSOverfiend 5 months ago
I dont think they are cheating
TAS may cause glitches or bugs or something...
danylopez123 5 months ago
The point of a Tool-Assisted Speedrun is to complete a game in the fastest possible time. It's not like there is only 1 TAS for games that get completely raped (such as SM64), but there are several for just glitching through the game (i.e. SM64 0 stars), completing the game with the exact amount needed (i.e. SM64 70 stars) and 100% completion (i.e. SM64 120 stars). TAS records are never compared against humans, and each TASer only competes with others in that category. TAS =/= cheating.
hahaae321 5 months ago
Why should you care if someone cheats in a single player game? It won't ruin it for anyone else.
T1melimit 5 months ago
TAS are more for entertainment, they're meant to show how *fast* a game could be beaten with tools and glitches/bugs.
MrDuskye 6 months ago
Though I know that there are no deliberate changes in code (which is why all cheats used to be called "cheat codes"), some people view bug and glitch abuse as cheating because it falls outside of the "acceptable, normal parameters" of gameplay. I, for one, do not support that view, but was merely playing Devil's Advocate for those who are not as well informed as some of us.
Xanatrix 6 months ago
TASes aren't cheating, to make a legitimate TAS you have to follow RULES, following rules means you aren't cheating.
and when you see a TAS on youtube, you know what you will see. a speedrun made with slowdown and other tools on emulators. THATS IT. they have rules and they are followed.
ophios 6 months ago
What people need to learn is:
1. Glitching is NOT cheating.
2. Following rules is NOT cheating.
End of story.
Tomtelala 7 months ago 22
The whole point of a TAS is not at all to show "Hey, I'm better than the guy who owns the speed run record, look at this run I made!". No. The whole point of a TAS is to show what the perfect speed run would look like. Needless to say, it is impossible for a human to do this stuff... which is the whole point. It shows what it would be if we were capable of it. And it's a whole lot of work in itself.
SeijinMahoutsukai 7 months ago 2
I think i know why people call it cheating and is not because people use cheats, but because they cheat.
Using a real life example: If you were playing a game of rock paper scissors and you 'slowed down time' to change your hand at the last moment, or if you were playing hide and seek and and everytime you are found you just 'loaded your last saved state' and picked another spot, wouldn't people call it cheating?
But no, you'd need to 'fly' to a hiding spot for it to be considered cheating.
xxs3rgioxx 7 months ago
@xxs3rgioxx If everyone were able to do it, and it was considered part of the rules that you can, then no. It is not cheating. That's why people say it is "tool assisted", and not that they played normally. Think of it as a challenge mode.
xakumahaix 7 months ago
I'd say that TAS is only cheating if the level was possible to speedrun rather well in the first place, as well as the reason supplied by @Totema; "It's only cheating when you try to pass it off, to yourself or to others, that it's normal gameplay."
7thTimeSlaughter 7 months ago
Tasruns are like an art. You may enjoy the fast paced action, but when you realize the author did a two thousand retries on a single level just to manage to get one frame faster time than the last dude. Not to mention the frame came from a couple of a pixel perfect jumps.
I enjoy watching the runs, I only wish that the authors would be more blatant with the programming error abuse. Megaman 1 tasrun is truely a masterpiece.
Exiili 7 months ago
This is not a case against TASes, you're only whining because he did it 1 second faster than you.
03Neko30 8 months ago
i don't care if it is cheating... much like illusionists, sure they cheat lie and trick you, but just for the fun of being cheated and tricked, nothing serious. on the other side a lawyer cheating and tricking the law IS a serious buisness and shouldn't be allowed...
xbuster17 8 months ago
Ish... You can still define emulator slow down and save states as cheating... Sure they aren't precisely called cheats, but you couldn't slow down a game or save states back with the original cartridge. That said, I don't condemn anyone for it.
It looks cool and I couldn't beat Mario 3 without saving states at all.
XzoahX 9 months ago
@XzoahX you have to understand. its for entertainment
nelynel12 9 months ago
@nelynel12 No, No, I get it. I mean for just beating them though. I used save states all the time to beat Mario 3, but I always have a little pang of guilt when I do. And regardless of what their for, if it's fun for you, go for it.
XzoahX 9 months ago
@XzoahX agreed
nelynel12 8 months ago
@XzoahX
Takes more time and effort than a regular speedrun.
sasuke2277 8 months ago 2
there's multiple meanings and understandings of what is "cheating"
in some regards it is, in others it isn't. It differs on opinions or maybe if someone lays down a challenge it has to apply to the rules. If I was to say ok let's see who can beat it faster, and I played mine on the original snes cartridge in its console with snes controller and all, and essentially made my run "naked". And if you do your run with TA, any at all even game save or specific start speed by those means it's cheating
StreetTrooper 10 months ago
how to use tool assisted ?
is it autoplay ?
iori97combo 10 months ago
@iori97combo The tool is your brain, but you emulate the game to get 'save states' so if you screw up or don't know what to do to do something the fastest you will save the game , check things out , then load the game and do things as quickly as possible - the final thing to do is to edit the video for it looks smooth and for it to look like you did it all with the minimum time in one go even though it may have taken hours to do one level!
MasterStacona 10 months ago
@iori97combo Not exactly. The author of the TAS goes frame-by-frame, doing the absolute most optimized moves he can, erasing his mistakes should he make any.
smcgamer1 8 months ago
"The difference between unassisted and assisted speedrunning could be summarized as follows: tool-assisted speedruns are about the game itself, and about finding the absolute fastest way through the game, while unassisted speedruns are largely about the players and their ability to skillfully beat the game."
From the Wikipedia article on speedruns.
giantsnark 10 months ago 2
You can't cheat at a single player game. Who would you be cheating?
rkyeun 10 months ago
Oh, one more thing. Don't like tool-assisted videos? Let's see what you have to offer. Last I checked, something still beats nothing every time. I don't even care if *you* do questionable things in them. It's not my place to judge. But if you grumble about the videos here and don't provide any alternative, your opinion doesn't matter any more than that of some random lunatic on the street. *Which we suspect you may very well be.*
hawaiidkw 10 months ago
I signed up with YouTube to watch beautiful, amazing, awesome, breathtaking, transcendent videos. I love watching these TAS's *because* they're so incredible and far beyond anything I'm capable of. If any of you are here to throw around hoary whinings about fake this and fail that, please do me a favor: *tell it to someone who cares*.
hawaiidkw 10 months ago
i can do it with ten seconds remaining, so close t finishing, and thats without cheating
MU5CULAR 11 months ago
TASes allow you to do things easier therefor you don't need to try over and over again...
Sw1rly7 11 months ago
@Sw1rly7
The point with a TAS is to make it perfect. I can assure you that it takes lots and lots of trys to get it right.
Pajderman 10 months ago
This is a fascinating video, thanks.
freepepsicola 11 months ago
bug exploits aren't a bad thing.
But when you need a "tool" to access that bug exploit, then I DO think that you're "cheating".
So, I understand...but if you use an external mean to access that bug, then I think you're cheating.
But its just a different way to play.
mrrondon101 11 months ago
@mrrondon101 Even if it's cheating, TASs are (usually) only for entertainment, and not to show skill.
That's what real-time speedruns are for!
CrappyBlueLuigi 11 months ago 2
@CrappyBlueLuigi I make tas movies to show skill! Tasing skill.
ThinkOneMoreTime 10 months ago 2
@ThinkOneMoreTime Haha! Yes, that's one way to look at it.
Actually, one good example of TASing skill is in the related videos; Baxter and AngerFist's TAS of Mega Man 3, 4, 5, and 6 at the same time.
CrappyBlueLuigi 10 months ago
i can easily do level 2 360 time WITHOUT tool assist
CR055H41RZ 11 months ago
lmfao at the cheat enable at the end
rob5000x1 1 year ago
Its not cheating, because its not playing, its performance. My fave TAS vid to date is the Nemesis one where he flys rings (literally) around things. The thing is... all that you see in TAS movies is also possible. Its what would happen if a real A.I. played computer games.
So its not cheating, its not playing, its bloody amazing performance, I would call it art.
MunkyBo11ecks 1 year ago
4:44 NICE!
DriftTheory9 1 year ago
Although I find TAS stuff interesting, it's definitely cheating.
Because the guy who made the video has not done in real-time the performance shown in the recorded movie.
To me, to avoid being called a cheater, one has to avoid savestates, movie edit, rewind, etc...
They were not possible in the original game console and games were not supposed to be played that way.
kizkoool 1 year ago
@kizkoool
Did he claim to have produced the run in real time? I'll save you time and provide the answer: "No." There was no trickery, lying, or deceitfulness involved, so it's not cheating.
And saying "they were not possible in the original game console" is far from the truth. Search "mario 1 nes robot," then revise your statement.
Groudon0199 1 year ago
@Groudon0199
Oh so you proved that a nes ROBOT is able to replay inputs with frame precision. great.there is no human capable of doing that.
If you really wanted to prove your point, show us a human replaying this TAS with an original console and a joypad. thanks..
kizkoool 1 year ago
@kizkoool
I retract my previous statement, as I misread your comment.
The part about TASes not being cheating still applies, however (as long as the TAS is not being advertised as a "real-time" speedrun).
Groudon0199 1 year ago
@Groudon0199
I'm ok with that.
But that's precisely what is not explained clearly in the video. He should have written explicitely that a TAS video is NOT a real-time recorded performance. It's the art of doing massive cut and paste and edit of human play, then replaying the whole thing by a robot.
Whether that's called cheating or not is not really relevant then if everyone agrees on what TAS is.
kizkoool 1 year ago
"It's a bug abuse" No more.
Th3Flam3BoY 1 year ago
15!
Cannonfodder103 1 year ago
TASes are liked choreographed fight scenes. No it's not real fighting, but it's put together for entertainment and to look cool.
mutehero7 1 year ago 63
@mutehero7 Prowrestling?
tintinytdj 1 year ago
DDA6-DF07
Hold L and press A twice.
Manonthe3up 10 months ago
I think tool assistance is an acceptable form of cheating. You may not mess with code, RAM, or registers, but you do bypass the normal interface, which takes luck and reflexes out of the scenario. What makes it acceptable (and entertaining) is that the purpose is not to defeat an opponent or showcase the player's skill but to demonstrate knowledge of the game mechanics and the limits of the game engine. Personally, I don't see what's so bad about the word "cheating" that TASers don't like it.
GreatLimmick 1 year ago
TAS videos are just awesome to watch. I don't know why people throw a shitfit over it.
SpacemanSchmuck 1 year ago 4
no
diddykong14 1 year ago
TAS is cheat! Why? Say I want to play through Contra without dying ones... the whole game... ooops! I died! I'm just gonna use TAS to rewind that failure... boom! Cheating! It's not different from using save states... Try to do the no death run on the console back in the days when emulators were out of the question! Retards...
Shikaroxen 1 year ago
@Shikaroxen TAS Runs don't use rewinds or save-states.
Feno900 1 year ago
@Feno900 yah it does... if you fail at one point in the middle of a stage you can just reload some seconds back and do a new try... Real gamers start from the beginning again... It doesn't count beating say the first stage of Castlevania 1 without damage in a TAS run cause you use load states every now and then if you get hit... A perfect run is 1 shot always with 1 try, if you fail then you're screwed...
Shikaroxen 1 year ago
@Shikaroxen TAS is about speed, they do one take, no save-states or rewinds. If they screw up they do it again until they get the fastest time possible. If they don't, it's not a speedrun.
Feno900 1 year ago
@Feno900 If that's what you think then ok... By the logic you're using then I agree... But the fact is they do use rewinds and save-states and not in 1 shot... If you have a different experience that's cool... You actually might know decent people who can play. But most people who use TAS does not do it in 1 shot... There's no need to use TAS to slow down time either... that's not using skills... Games are about using reflexes, slow down time for GoW quick events!? No!! No need for TAS..
Shikaroxen 1 year ago
@Shikaroxen Well what I mean is that in their one successful run they do it in one shot, I'm sure they use rewinds and save states when they practice, but in the end they do it perfectly.
In the end though, a TAS is not about showing skill. It's about entertainment, and it's about doing fancy tricks.
Feno900 1 year ago
@Feno900 Note sure what to say about them practicing for one shot... So I'll leave at that... But I do agree about entertainment. Kinda tired right now so I'll leave this as it is right now ^^'
Shikaroxen 1 year ago
@Feno900
Uh, you do know what a rerecord is, right? Every tas run created keeps track of how many recordings were created from start to finish. One of Nitsuja's Sonic 3 tas runs has 216,964 rerecords.
ghyprh 1 year ago
It's not cheating when it's your only intention. It's only cheating when you try to pass it off, to yourself or to others, that it's normal gameplay.
Totema1 1 year ago 25
I can actually do it as fast as you could on an actual cart.
TheMOTHERSeriesFan 1 year ago
The distinction for me is, what does the video purport to be? TASes don't advertise themselves as anything other than they are, tool-assisted speedruns designed to be fun to watch and demonstrate the game being beat as quickly as possible.
They don't claim to be the fastest human time of the game. So people who whine about cheating are missing the point of why the run exists: to create an interesting video to watch. That's all.
HomyguyZ 1 year ago
Its called Timing,Savestates and slow down.
Skymin50 1 year ago
Well, I still think TAS are kind of a cheating device when it comes to stages in Jump 'n Runs that need you to do more tricky jumps than just holding right. If you did this with a really difficult stage and got about the same time then I'd say TASs are fine.
In other words : If someone would manage to beat IWBTG or any other difficult Platformer without a TAS with the best possible time, then a TAS of it would be no cheat from my point of view.... so unless that happens, it is one :P
Azumongo 1 year ago
@Azumongo
oh? because no one has beaten megaman, metroid and others?
metroid is harder than IWBTG and has already been finished.
all megamans have been finished by a lot of people, even me when I was 6 years old.
IWBTG has already been finished (not in Impossible mode of course, but that's the same difficulty, checkpoints doesn't count)
mushihimesama and mushihimesama futari have been beaten.
what do you want more?
zebdal 1 year ago
@zebdal Read closely what I wrote please : I never said that there's games out there noone has beaten yet (even the worst and most difficult ones got beaten already), but the purpose of a speedrun is, well, getting through a stage/level/map/whatever in the shortest amount of time possible right ?
So, saving time completing a level by having the ability to time jumps and other moves frame by frame perfectly is cheating because you got an advantage an average gamer doesn't have.
Azumongo 1 year ago
Oh, and Happy New Year everyone ! :D
Azumongo 1 year ago
YOUR cheating lol
Zestybeef 1 year ago
Semantics. Words aren't defined by you or even the dictionary, but by the population overall that use them. You aren't cheating by your own definition, but that doesn't mean that its objectively true. That being said, I absolutely love TAS and don't care whether its cheating or not, because its not competitive toward people who play by hand. Its artistic imho.
scsteeldrums 1 year ago
Favourited for the sheer perfectness of demonstration :P
TheClicheName 1 year ago
Your video is full of subjective comments.
I'll just sum up quickly for you. Is a Tool Assisted Speedrun a cheated one? No, it's a Tool Assisted Speedrun. The clue is in the name.
Blackberry7620 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
TAS = Pussy mode
yopoke190 1 year ago
@yopoke190 Actually TAS = take months and months of frame by frame playing and frame counting to get video intended to entertain but ends up getting bashed by idiots who don't know what TAS means.
ffrplaye 1 year ago 2
Super Prince of Persia World.
RickTheStickman2 1 year ago
when you see a tas record thats what it is...a tas record which goes against other TAS RECORDS...normal runs and tas runs are different things...ive been practicing super metroid on tas and its 100x harder if u do a speedrun to perfection... XD 1557 rerecordings for jus 7 minutes of video
librakurss 1 year ago
@GistAssassin so... you're basically agreeing with me? lol idk why people get so bent out of shape about this anyway. hahah who cares either way?
rockleeownsu 1 year ago
TAS is a demonstration of the best time a normal person could do if he used NO cheats and made a perfect flawless performance while exploiting every glitch in the game that allows him to be faster. It's NOT cheat, nor real. :) The first TAS I watched was actually the first popular TAS : The 11 mins SMB3. I was amazed, I though it was real, until I heard it was not. I was not deceived cause very hard work and patience must be put into it to give the flawless result, which I sort of admire.
Rawfies 1 year ago
@Rawfies actually normal people can't come close to a TAS speed run due to the lack of reflexes, speed, and timing that they require in most cases. but they aren't cheating technically. whoever ever said that they were is an idiot...
DragonCharlz 1 year ago
@DragonCharlz Yeah I know it require an absolutely perfect performance, which is impossible for a human, yet theorically possible.
Rawfies 1 year ago
44 people think TAS is cheating
Eskmm1 1 year ago
ive learned that you don't know what cheating means. don't worry i love TAS but theres a reason their records don't count
morepl0x 1 year ago
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tas = cheat
kookoon 1 year ago
@kookoon People + (TAS^Cheating) - Knowledge = Ignorance
AnavrinSM64 1 year ago
@kookoon
Actually...
TAS = Tool Assisted Speedrun
Cheating = Cheating
I hope you have learned something today.
XBladenoJutsu 1 year ago
lol tas is cheating compared to someone who can do it straight up but that doesnt mean that a tas cant be good/impressive.
rockleeownsu 1 year ago
tas is not cheating! They use slowdowns and save states but you still need to know how to get through the level fast and it still requires skill. I tried something like that once and it was very hard.
spongemantestmr 1 year ago
In my opinion they both serve different purposes, TAS are just to show what CAN be done, and true runs are someone actually doing it.
leonzchannelz 1 year ago 2
Manipulating glitches is cheating, since glitches aren't meant to exist in the first place.
IamJacksSTD 1 year ago
@IamJacksSTD Glitches are the flaws from the developers. You can't blame people for exploiting glitches, only blame developers not to make the map/game/program perfect.
It's like grey area of laws, you can't sue people for using those loop holes, you can only blame law for not being 100% black and white.
JinNakamuraDante 1 year ago
@IamJacksSTD There is no objective source of what is "meant" to be, because the developers are not at your beck and call to tell you what they intended. There is only the game as it is, and playing it through the given inputs. Anything that bypasses the given inputs (like memory hacks) is "cheating", not that there's anything really wrong with that either. Live human play, TAS, and "cheating" are all different.
giantsnark 10 months ago
I'm sorry, but watching Mario fly through the level on your last video was the best part :P
SutaSafaia 1 year ago
Good stuff.
FunkyHonkyCDXX 1 year ago
umm.. who cares if it's cheating anyways. the only real downside to TASes are they take away interest from actual speedruns
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WilhelmineXara 1 year ago
Holy fuck, my name is in this Movie. (Fabian)
IRGEMINIMAN 1 year ago
TAS is for amusement only since it takes a lot of work because they take advantage of the emulator and its considered cheating in a sense but they are not using any codes. speed runs is a different thing. they'll finish the game but they take advantage of the games bugs and glitches and also without the codes.
search youtube for...
"Rockman ( Megaman ) X speedrun with CHEATS in 25:49 part1"
this is an example of witch cheats. it can only be done with codes.
robertxtm 1 year ago
TAS is only cheating if someone posts a TAS run as an unassisted speedrun. Speedruns and TASs are two completely different fields. End of story.
CookieMcWeaksauce 1 year ago
I'd say TAS is not cheating. Everything being done in one is normally...if you can call it that, doable on any normal version of a game out there. It shows a potential, since no human can react to things with accuracy down to the last frame and what data is actually saying, like what RNG actually say. Some info about RNGs have been cracked by humans without emulators or other tools, like .1% weapon drops in FF12.
themettking 1 year ago
Wow I didn't know that before, and I learned a lot. Thanks~
vetkeyboardist 1 year ago
NO! It's for Entertainment purposes only ::SIGH:: DUR!!!!
EricSchwin22 1 year ago
Super Mario World FTW
IceKrafter 1 year ago
Whoever says a TAS is cheating, has no clue what they are made for. It's entertainment and a buttload of work to do. Also it is just impressive, how good TASers know a game, what enables them to break it that hard. We all know how to finish/play Mario64 or OoT for instance; we've done and seen it hundreds of times. But breaking the game, using all its flaws and bugs and beating it in, let's say, 10% or less of normal playtime - that's just fun to watch.
Art doesn't need legitimation!
JunkDiesel 1 year ago
42 fuckers as i wrote this message :P...
You shouldn't mind trolls that make an unfair association TAS/cheating.
It is just because TAS is about something they don't understand, and if they don't understand, they defend themself by screaming bullshit (this is why Galileo was almost executed, incomprehension), because they are not as smart as the guys who can manipulate the emulator that good.
In conclusion, those guys are just insipid ignorants, so ignore them, and it will be fine.
Araelthefallen 1 year ago
is your computer running at 320x240 resolution? I thought that was only still possible in linux. Unless.....
kucoru16 1 year ago
If its no cheating , show us a video from a normal camera where you play a game on the real snes not on a emulator, bacause so long you all speedrunners will play your game on emulators i can´t believe that it is no cheating...
GumGumGamer 1 year ago
@GumGumGamer Just because it's on an emulator, doesn't mean it's cheating. You could try for yourself on a console if you actually tried.
ScatMonkey777 1 year ago
I hope some people learn something from this. Obviously, TAS's are NOT meant to show skill. Although it still takes considerable gaming knowledge to perfect, it's supposed to push the boundaries of the game itself to its limits, devoid of any human error or reaction time.
Of course TAS's belong in a different category, but they are still just as noteworthy, entertaining, and often times, difficult, as unassisted speedruns.
Thanks for posting!
Diggidoyo 1 year ago
I love the way you show what cheating REALLY is at the end °^
Arisorio 1 year ago 25
@Arisorio lol I know rite?
Goldensunboy 1 year ago
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TheKINGFEDOR 1 year ago
This argument keeps reminding me there is people who think strafe jumping in quake 3 is cheating when really its not outside of the game restrictions. These TAS videos are pretty close to watching good defrag players. What would really make it cheating is claiming its unassisted. Which isn't claimed.
jessicaNya 1 year ago 2
Out of all the comments I read,which wasn't many since it's just a big argument and is annoying to read, Maxx's input about it is about as best as it gets. Bragging about times is stupid and is probably why most people even call it cheating because there's the --impression-- that people who use TAS are competing with "legit" speedruns and think they're better. It's not really cheating since it doesn't just make the game easier,which is what cheats do,you have to learn how to do it first.
Serge884 1 year ago
I don't know why is this even an issue...
Lemme say something to all those "anti-TASers".
People. For the God's sake, PLEASE READ VIDEO DESCRIPTIONS BEFORE WATCHING! That is the only problem that started all the "cheating" fad (I agree with molitva2007).
TAS is not meant to show skill and neither cheating! They're meant just to provide entertainment to the users and show how fast a game can be finished while pushing it to its limits. And that may produce glitches in the game just by that.
supergreenx 1 year ago
you need good skill to realize a tool assisted speedrun
tyler1leboss 1 year ago
Its Cheating, a Speed run is one solid Run Legitimately as fast as possible, not slowed down (makes it easier) or save states (cover up mistakes) there aren't real skills involved.
0rderSol 1 year ago
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Th3Flam3BoY 1 year ago
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Th3Flam3BoY 1 year ago
Are tool-assisted speedruns cheating? Not really. If they're done just to show off the game for informative purposes, then they're great. But only for that purpose.
Should TAS times be counted as any sort of world record? Fuck no, so no one who does them should be bragging about their times in their video titles. "You beat Super Mario Bros. 3 in 13 minutes?" Come back when you do that shit using your own skill and no glitch-abusing, then I'll be impressed.
MaxxTheSlash 1 year ago
Hmmm interesting video about a TAS
darklinkskiller 1 year ago
if uve passed ur favorite game countless times, then try TAS'n a game to get more out of it, and do things that cant be done in real time..
rippinkorpse 1 year ago
all of u fuckers that say it is cheatin, u are just jealous cause u cant do it and have not spent the time to at least try it...i was jealous of these TAS videos once, but when i finally got my chance to actually try to TAS a game, i realized how much time u need to spend, and to say the least how difficult it is to get everything right. its very frustrating! its not cheating, so how about all u TAS hating fucks go and try it urselves and shut ur stupid mouths up already.
rippinkorpse 1 year ago
When A person goes out to make a TAS and they make a TAS they aren't cheating since they are doing what they are supposed to, they are following the rules,. Submitting a TAS to TASvideos is fine because they expect you to use the tools. on the other hand making a TAS and saying that's it's real time playing that's cheating since you are going outside of the rules. but then again, people don't think that because everything has to be the way they play it, or else its noobhaxlololol.
ophios 1 year ago
IMO, TAS is the peak of what is possible, while a normal is the peak of a human speedrun. Since humans have a limit of what they can do, TAS is simply enhancing the players ability. You still have to play, just under different circumstances. I still think a non-TAS of 10 minutes is better than a TAS of 9 minutes though.
kandemon 1 year ago