If you want a bankable degree I think it would be hard to argue against EE or Mech E as the best choices for job security while also leaving options open for yourself.
I donno.... I got an engineering degree and didn't have a problem getting a job or making good money. Same goes with people I went to school with, gotta call BS on this video.
@CaseCRM : When did you graduate? All the people you went to school with graduated at the same time you did, which does not say an entire lot. The success rate for engineering graduates today is not the same as it was when I first graduated. If I would've graduated just one year later, I would have been screwed-I was just fortunate enough to be born a year earlier ;).
@ssjlkrillin I graduated in 2009, the peak of the unemployment. The place I worked at shut down after a year and I quickly got another, good paying, job. I don't know a single person with an engineering degree that can't find a job. Why wouldn't they be able to? It's the hardest undergrad major out there. Compared to other majors not that many people try it, and many fail out. The line in the video about supply and demand is BS. It's actually the other way around in my experience.
@CaseCRM : The employment experience can not speak for all individuals, situations, factors, etc. It is a good thing I do not believe in absolutes (there are always exceptions) but this video is not about exceptions. The economy was not very kind to everyone (especially those that were laid off in 2009 that may have been "exceptional" but did not know the "right" people). I'm glad you and your friends managed to weather the storm-just don't get too cocky about it-trust me on this :).
@angelifyification I do not recall stating that engineering had the hardest courses (I am careful not to make absolute statements) but nonetheless, a lot of engineering courses are very hard. Unfortunately, in the field of physics, the risk is immensely greater than the reward.
@CaseCRM : My experience in this field is not exactly the same as that of some my same age (theirs was worse) or younger (whose experience was similar to yours). My last company made the fatal mistake of hiring fresh interns and college grads into senior level management/supervisory positions and chaos/hilarity ensued. I'm not saying this is you, but I know that side of the industry all too well. Another question: How many people do you know with an engineering degree that are above 35?
I work on the signs in the mcdonalds drive through and its actually very exciting. its good to know my work helps hundreds of people have an easier time reading the price of a double big mac chicken mcValue meal even if they are visually impaired.
This is all true although it's slightly exaggerated. It sounds crazy, but some people actually enjoy doing this stuff and take the cons that come with it. For those of you who are far into the engineering field like me- don't worry, once you graduate you will have a degree that will open doors to almost any field you want.
creative engineer meh;anyone western is good,anyone from an eastern culture is bad.Any comment from a wester raised youtuber is correct, any comment from an overseas youtuber is subject to scrutiny...no wonder
@bmaj7 I can not speak for all that comment on this video but I have met both exceptional and mediocre engineers from all ethnicities, backgrounds, nationalities, etc. I will state from my own personal experience that most Eastern engineers were more diligent, reliable, and more willing to work weekends to finish a project (one Indian guy refused to call in sick because he was ashamed of doing so). There are a few young American engineers that have this work ethic-only a few.
Brilliant. Somewhat truthful. Electronics engineer are the unsung heroes of our world. Without them, there would be no iPad, no movie industry, no mobile phones, no computers. The profession is somewhat diluted with mediocre Asian engineers - little creativity, but good at following instructions. The really creative western engineers generally do exceptionally well. The Chinese are victims of a poor education system in the PRC. Many Indians become engineers for the wrong reasons, like prestige.
@creativeengineer To be fair, I know a ton of Western engineers that chose their profession for prestige and salary. I believe the lack of creativity in our present crop of engineers is a symptom of the conveyor belt mentality that exists in the educational system. Thinking outside the box is an acquired skill. I believe oppressive regimes, coupled with regimental, repetitive coursework stifles the imagination and only serves to create obedient slaves-just my opinion.
@ssjlkrillin Never met a western engineer that did it for prestige or money. There are much easier ways to make money. The problem in China (three Chinese engineers told me this) is that their communist system spoon feeds information. They are not taught to be resourceful or creative. There are exceptions, but they are very rare. Most Indians either become a doctor, engineer or programmer due to family prestige pressures. They will tell you this themselves. Of course there are exceptions.
@creativeengineer I agree that we may come from different backgrounds and/or different generations because I reiterate that the "present" crop of engineers are different from the old school masters (I'm only in my thirties). These young guys (not all of them) see nothing but "60k when I graduate"; no real dedication to the profession. Our educational system has been standardized across the globe-I do know personal attributes mean a lot in Indian society due to their caste system.
@creativeengineer I alluded to the communist educational system with the mention of "oppressive regimes". The Chinese society is deeply rooted in Confucian principles, which emphasizes selfless service to institutions and leaders. You sacrifice everything for the "common good", which is defined by the leader/s as to what that "good" should be. Any form of individuality or expression is frowned upon-the culture is a beehive. America/society can not flourish with cookie-cutter engineers.
@ssjlkrillin In my opinion any engineer who gets a degree for the salary or prestige (a "conscript") is not an engineer. A real engineer is one who lives and breathes engineering both during work hours and in his private time (a "volunteer"). One eastern Euro engineer thought I was mad developing a Linux radio voice system using UDP packets for fun, not for profit. He is exactly what an engineer should not be. One volunteer is worth ten conscripts.
I'm a EE in the jobfield and I have to say I really enjoy my job, and I think the person that made this video simply went into a profession that wasn't for them...
@anApparition I am an EE and I enjoy what I do as well; I couldn't be more of an engineer if I tried. My problem is not with being an engineer-it is with the engineering INDUSTRY, which creates the misery and dissatisfaction. Most engineers are happiest when they are self employed and not beholden to ludicrous requirements, skin-tight schedules, pinhead managers, fickle customers, and crappy lab facilities on a daily basis. I would not have made this video if I did not like being an engineer.
I am starting to feel uneasy now. I started out by watching the video on PhD in humanities which was very convincing. Then went on to the one on PhD in Chemical Engineering which was again ok. Now, they have such videos dissuading people from wanting to be a) Electrical Engineer b) Software Engineer c) get a MBA d) Go to Law school e) PhD in Math f) PhD in Archaeology g) PhD psychology.So what are we supposed to study? We just play it safe,take no risks, do nothing and in the end - be a nothing?
So it's clear from all these videos that all jobs suck big time.
So might as well become an electrical engineer or [insert job here] cause you will be f*cked in the ass by your employer regardless of what you choose.
I hear you- this is why my father warned me not to go into engineering (he was an EE). I double majored in materials and mechanical engineering in the early 1980's hoping to do semiconductor fab- which was promptly outsourced to Taiwan (one of the very first industries to go). Gave up and became a patent attorney- more variety of work, more money, more respect although jobs are tight now and I have been overseas for 8 years. Sigh. Good luck!
FYI: I have over 10 years experience (almost 12) working in three different industries in several states; I would like to think I know what I'm talking about. For those that only have one year or less of experience and believe they know everything, there's a VERY rude awakening for you if you ever become a statistic. If you're unemployed, you get fed to the wolves (HR) who reject you based upon a keyword search-not skills or competence level.
@jshowa4 You're only 23 years old (I checked your profile); you're working a crap job with an engineering degree because you have no experience and you most likely did not have an internship. It is arrogant and disrespectful people like yourself that turn companies away from new hires (what is with this generation)? If what I am saying is BS, you must really like the taste of it because you keep coming back for more. But anyway, grow up and learn how the world works.
@jshowa4 I've entertained this long enough-I have been ACTIVELY SEARCHING for employment for 2.5 years (I have 10+ yrs in this industry). I am not saying a liberal arts degree is better; I am saying that these people lack PRACTICAL skills which makes them easier to retain. An engineer has hardware/software developmental skills-an English major waits tables. The insurance company hires them because they're not going anywhere and they're cheap. By the way, I hope you stay employed :)
@jshowa4 A person with an engineering degree will be overlooked for virtually most occupations other than engineering because they will be seen as overqualified. In this economy, it is all about prior experience in the occupation for which you are applying-they could care a rat's behind about transferable skills (I have been at this for 2.5 years-it is a bloody fact)! I can do a zillion things myself, but that company is not going to take a risk because "insurance" is not on the resume.
And another thing...I have tried to persuade these non-engineering companies into hiring me (and to say I did not try hard enough is bull) but I have been refused by most because at any moment an engineering company will make me an offer and they will be back at square one training someone else. I was developing high speed switching power supplies-now I deliver pizzas because there are too many jobless analog power engineers for companies to choose from-and NONE of them are good enough anymore!
To anybody currently studying -> I've worked as an electronics engineer for the last 10 years, it's an awesome job. I once spent 6 months working on the set of a major hollywood movie whilst designing a special effects system. I've made 6 or 7 major products in my career all of which I can point to and say 'I made that' . There's not many professions where that's true. Lastly I've personally found it trivial to get work when I want it and when contracting make more money than most people I know.
@seddona I'm rather impressed-you're the exception in this field. I've had products that have gone in spacecraft, automobiles, and airplanes myself but they're rather obscure and virtually unnoticeable. Hopefully a few engineering grads will be lucky enough-in this economy-to work on a Hollywood set. I know a few colleagues that have worked for over 20 years and have almost nothing to show for it (the pinnacle of an engineering career is to leave your mark in society in some tangible way).
@gomunkul: Engineers are unique in regards to those of other professions-we have the capability to utilize our talents to physically produce a good to meet economic demand. Why develop electronics and mechanical devices for industry when you have the tools and hopefully the skills/ability to do it for yourself? A schoolteacher/CPA/lawyer/doctor can not build a faster 802.3/11 system or a more efficient power supply but an engineer in a garage can.
@gomunkul: 500 words really limits me but anyway: the hard fact is you're stuck. An engineering degree does not translate into other industries as well as a liberal arts degree because it is too specific. You're overqualified for anything else. A history/english/art/sociology major can be an insurance claims adjuster, retail general manager, or janitor. An electrical engineer can be...an electrical engineer.
@gomunkul: I MUST reiterate that if you have a DEFINITE interest in engineering you should be able to utilize your talents without having to work for a company (I did not realize this until later myself). If you are simply looking at the starting salary then all I can say is what are you really interested in and how far along are you in college? Not every video that poses a problem has a ready-made solution-I would have included a solution if I had one-engineers like solving problems :).
@ssjlkrillin I'm on my Masters in Engineering and I'm in my late 20's. didn't find general occupations to my liking and I was always drawn to science and philosophy - Engineering seemed a practical choice and Philosophy of science in my doctrine :) I try not to work for a company and I utilize my talents in the research of alternative energy generation. history/english/art/sociology seemed to impractical may be?
@Alyantis: The HV power distribution sector is more low-stress than other sectors (it's even more low-stress than defense/aerospace). I've worked in the space industry (what deadline?), the defense industry (talk about redundant tasks), and the automotive/consumer electronics and the industrial sectors (crazy hours, impossible demands, impossible deadlines). I will admit that I have acquired TONS more experience in the latter two sectors because of the challenges and the responsibilities.
I've seen one of these for just about any good job you could go to school for. So I wonder, what the hell would you propose we do? Its rather disheartening, but there are shitstorms in any field, some are just a little worse than others. I'm half way done with my EE degree, and videos like this make me feel bad about it, but honestly I wouldn't know what else to do that peaks my interest. And yes, finding EE internships is a pain, especially if you don't want to work in the power industry.
@Chimpalimp1001: I know a lot of these videos on youtube are bursting a lot of college students' bubbles but someone has to make people aware of the potential pitfalls and risks involved in these professions. It can be discouraging in one way but in another way it can prepare you for the harsh lessons that schools will never teach. If you're not in it [engineering] simply for the money, you'll be ok. As I've said before, I like engineering; I do not like the engineering business.
@jellovendigar: If it weren't true that a lot of engineering jobs were being outsourced to Asia, then it would be inaccurate. It could only be seen as racist if I expressed my contempt with the people taking the jobs and not with the circumstances that allowed it.
@ssjlkrillin It's not innaccurate. USA is losing its edge and that's quite normal when you think about the stiff competition the "rest of the world" creates. The video subtly implies there's something wrong with "those people" taking the jobs. As if it would be ok if Europeans were taking them. But again I say, this is me being sensitive.
@jellovendigar: I have no problem with competition but I do have a problem with companies that continually seek candidates that are non-citizens [that may or may not be qualified]. There are still plenty of well qualified engineers in the US. You can not depress wages too much without receiving a gradually lessening caliber of candidates (see education). Our competition happens to come from Asia-what if it was Denmark? There are solutions to this issue but I do not want to delve into politics.
@ssjlkrillin I guess those solutions would include barriers to foreign talent and protection for USA citizens. My guy feeling tells me it would be a bad choice for USA in the long term. Just like a company that doesn't hire outsiders and only promotes from within. Competitive edge would go down. At some point you need other perspectives and cultures at the workplace. It only enriches the end result. Diversity isn't a burden it's a boon.
@jellovendigar: That is not my solution at all. But nonetheless, what is wrong with looking out for the well being of fellow American citizens before others (ALL American citizens, regardless of race)? I have PERSONALLY worked with both white and non-white engineers (some Asian) that were incapable of performing their tasks and vice versa. To infer that non-white engineers are not as competent as white engineers is an attempt to put words in my mouth that I would never utter.
@jellovendigar: I should clarify that I am referring to individuals with work visas that are non-citizens. It is nearly impossible for an American to land a position in China, unless you can speak fluent Mandarin (which almost guarantees that you will be Chinese-no Koreans or Japanese can apply either) which I believe is more racially exclusive. I am not a PC person but I am mindful about how things can be interpreted so I am now aware that this reference can be bothersome to some people.
Engineer do not get jobs thrown at them. They have to look for it. And, Engineers definitely have tight deadlines which makes problem solving difficult. Due to this, they have little time to fix or research. Nowadays, getting an entry level job engineer is even more difficult. They test you on theories, and ask you complex questions expecting you to solve a problem on the spot.
@armorsmith43: If this video is a lie then that makes my career a lie. I have some questions for you: are you an engineer? If so, have you weathered the economic storm and managed to keep your job these past 2-3 years? If so, then you have NO IDEA how difficult the job market is for engineers that are not working. If you are not an engineer I will safely assume you do not know what you're talking about and disregard this comment.
@ssjlkrillin The thing I hate about being an Engineer is finding a job. You get tested on the spot with complex problems and given little time to solve them. I agree with you on everything.
@consolemaster: Tell me about it. I've had my share of interviews these past several months where they hand you a test booklet the equivalent of an SAT exam and give you an hour to complete it. Sometimes they will draw a schematic on a whiteboard and have you complete it or explain its function. You can test well but still get passed over for "cultural reasons". I have NOT had this kind of trouble prior to 2009. The interviews will not improve until the economy improves.
@armorsmith43 I find that it's really easy to get software engineering / programming offers, but legit EE internships seem pretty rare (I've barely run into any). I just did a search on my school's job board: 452 hits for software and 40 hits for electrical engineering. Software engineering may pay well, but it's basically dead end if one doesn't work at a top firm.
Also getting an engineering degree does not help at all for a non-engineering job.
i'm an incoming freshman and this video made me a bit shaky about majoring in EE. i'm still interested in it though. i was thinking about getting an MBA, or MSS later.
my school offers a combined physics and engineering program (it's not double majoring but you do come out with two degrees it's weird) anyway, what's your take on that?
@poolie626 Two degrees for only half the work isn't bad (engineering is just a pragmatic approach to physics anyway). If you are considering an MBA then you are obviously on the managerial track so the majority of this video might not even apply to you ;). This video applies to "real" engineering, not the ubiquitous positions at the huge defense contractors (you know who you are). If you want to work at Joe's Analog Power Company then be prepared.
@ssjlkrillin just curious, which path do you deem more practical, the managerial approach or the authenticity of "real" engineering? i don't mean to sound like a wanna be, but i was in the military for a bit and i knew i wanted to go to college, and engineering is the only major that stood out to me
@poolie626 To be blunt: are you intrigued by the complexities of technology and believe that you can contribute with your own innovations and ideas as well as be passionate about the newest developments? If so, then you're set to be an engineer. On the other hand, if you believe you have leadership potential and can handle the responsibilities of delegating tasks, attending meetings, and making critical project decisions then you should be a manager.
Advantages of EE: Easy to get 50k job, some companies do cool things (i.e. NASA), no need to get resume boosting ECs and experiences (coursework is all that matters)
Disadvantages of EE: Skills lack portability, generally gives out low GPA which limits grad school options, engineering jobs have gender imbalance and most aren't interesting, won't learn useful soft skills like public speaking and writing, vulnerable to outsourcing and H1B holders
4th year EE at GaTech, no where close to graduation, I hate this major, my parent's won't believe me when I tell them this stuff, they tell me I am being pessimistic, am just stressed out, and just need a good nights sleep. I haven't gotten a good nights sleep in 4 years! Should I fight them and change my major? If so, to what? I enjoy.... coding? I can't imagine CS is better...
@HyruleanHero1988 I have a friend that is a programmer-he has a repetitive strain disorder in his right wrist due to the incessant typing.
I honestly have no concrete suggestion for you; if you really enjoy engineering, stick it out. If you're in this for the salary you should probably change your major-it isn't worth it ;).
I can only draw upon past experience-working for several companies all over the country; different industries-large and small. It's all the same: don't kid yourself :-).
@TheUltimateBeing01 Get an internship-get your foot in the door. 95% of the time they will hire you full time. The energy sector is booming. An MSEE gives you a specialty but you are made inflexible and your career options are limited as a result. It is a double-edged sword that does you no good either way. What is your real interest? Focus all your energies into that and go for it. My focus was on audio, which was also helpful in power electronics. I only have a BS; show what you know!!!
An engineer dies and reports to hell. Pretty soon, the engineer gets dissatisfied with the level of comfort in hell, and starts designing and building improvements.
one day God asks Satan how it's going.
Satan replies, "the engineer is great!
God replies, "What? You've got an engineer? That's a mistake -- send him up here."
Satan says, "No way. I'm keeping him."
God says, "Send him back or I'll sue."
Satan laughs, "Yeah, right. And just where are you going to get a lawyer?"
@soccer90me It is saying that the engineer was fixing things he/she did not like in hell, so Satan wanted to keep him/her. When God says he will sue, Satan replys saying how? because he has all the lawyers because they were immoral because they to not tell the truth.
HAHAHA cool, thanks =D
essedra 2 weeks ago
This is a "jazzy" video. =p
ickieestes12r 4 weeks ago
I made the "So You Want To Be A JD/MBA..." video, but I used to be an engineer. Absolutely LOVED your video!!
Khamsin50 1 month ago
@Khamsin50: I saw your video a while ago-very nice :)! It appears you know the law business.
ssjlkrillin 1 month ago
Your vid is a favorite on Malawi
kirbymelton23 1 month ago
If you want a bankable degree I think it would be hard to argue against EE or Mech E as the best choices for job security while also leaving options open for yourself.
trav2718 2 months ago
soooo hilarious
anthonyttu 2 months ago
!!!OMG!!! This video changed my life. I'am going to drop out from EE and deliver pizzas now (more job security).
Nopalesasados 2 months ago
@Nopalesasados: I actually delivered pizzas for awhile...you're better off getting an EE degree.
ssjlkrillin 2 months ago
this is hilarious!
heyjustthetip 2 months ago
u guys are not taking this seriously right?
sealife224 3 months ago
I donno.... I got an engineering degree and didn't have a problem getting a job or making good money. Same goes with people I went to school with, gotta call BS on this video.
CaseCRM 3 months ago 7
@CaseCRM : When did you graduate? All the people you went to school with graduated at the same time you did, which does not say an entire lot. The success rate for engineering graduates today is not the same as it was when I first graduated. If I would've graduated just one year later, I would have been screwed-I was just fortunate enough to be born a year earlier ;).
ssjlkrillin 3 months ago
@ssjlkrillin I graduated in 2009, the peak of the unemployment. The place I worked at shut down after a year and I quickly got another, good paying, job. I don't know a single person with an engineering degree that can't find a job. Why wouldn't they be able to? It's the hardest undergrad major out there. Compared to other majors not that many people try it, and many fail out. The line in the video about supply and demand is BS. It's actually the other way around in my experience.
CaseCRM 3 months ago
@CaseCRM : The employment experience can not speak for all individuals, situations, factors, etc. It is a good thing I do not believe in absolutes (there are always exceptions) but this video is not about exceptions. The economy was not very kind to everyone (especially those that were laid off in 2009 that may have been "exceptional" but did not know the "right" people). I'm glad you and your friends managed to weather the storm-just don't get too cocky about it-trust me on this :).
ssjlkrillin 3 months ago
@ssjlkrillin Actually, the hardest undergrad degree is Physics, which has absolutely no demand or job opportunities except for high school teaching.
angelifyification 2 months ago
@angelifyification I do not recall stating that engineering had the hardest courses (I am careful not to make absolute statements) but nonetheless, a lot of engineering courses are very hard. Unfortunately, in the field of physics, the risk is immensely greater than the reward.
ssjlkrillin 2 months ago
@CaseCRM : My experience in this field is not exactly the same as that of some my same age (theirs was worse) or younger (whose experience was similar to yours). My last company made the fatal mistake of hiring fresh interns and college grads into senior level management/supervisory positions and chaos/hilarity ensued. I'm not saying this is you, but I know that side of the industry all too well. Another question: How many people do you know with an engineering degree that are above 35?
ssjlkrillin 3 months ago
If you're using YouTube and XtraNormal videos to determine whether or not you become an engineer or attend law school, do neither.
collingmusic 3 months ago 12
@collingmusic : I couldn't have said it more succinctly.
ssjlkrillin 3 months ago 2
I work on the signs in the mcdonalds drive through and its actually very exciting. its good to know my work helps hundreds of people have an easier time reading the price of a double big mac chicken mcValue meal even if they are visually impaired.
baseballfan1234534 3 months ago
This is all true although it's slightly exaggerated. It sounds crazy, but some people actually enjoy doing this stuff and take the cons that come with it. For those of you who are far into the engineering field like me- don't worry, once you graduate you will have a degree that will open doors to almost any field you want.
TotoroChinchilla 3 months ago
wow this video was a good reality check
fuxu123 3 months ago
i want to build a robots and virtual realities. i imagine these things constantly should i be an engineer?
fuxu123 3 months ago
@fuxu123
No.
borgeater 3 months ago
wow engineering sucks and all i wanted to do was build robots
fuxu123 3 months ago
a woman wanting to be an engineer. lulz
UltraProle21 3 months ago
creative engineer meh;anyone western is good,anyone from an eastern culture is bad.Any comment from a wester raised youtuber is correct, any comment from an overseas youtuber is subject to scrutiny...no wonder
bmaj7 4 months ago
@bmaj7 I can not speak for all that comment on this video but I have met both exceptional and mediocre engineers from all ethnicities, backgrounds, nationalities, etc. I will state from my own personal experience that most Eastern engineers were more diligent, reliable, and more willing to work weekends to finish a project (one Indian guy refused to call in sick because he was ashamed of doing so). There are a few young American engineers that have this work ethic-only a few.
ssjlkrillin 4 months ago
i put the gun in my mouth and was just about to pull the trigger when the video ended
cacapeepee444 4 months ago
Brilliant. Somewhat truthful. Electronics engineer are the unsung heroes of our world. Without them, there would be no iPad, no movie industry, no mobile phones, no computers. The profession is somewhat diluted with mediocre Asian engineers - little creativity, but good at following instructions. The really creative western engineers generally do exceptionally well. The Chinese are victims of a poor education system in the PRC. Many Indians become engineers for the wrong reasons, like prestige.
creativeengineer 4 months ago
@creativeengineer To be fair, I know a ton of Western engineers that chose their profession for prestige and salary. I believe the lack of creativity in our present crop of engineers is a symptom of the conveyor belt mentality that exists in the educational system. Thinking outside the box is an acquired skill. I believe oppressive regimes, coupled with regimental, repetitive coursework stifles the imagination and only serves to create obedient slaves-just my opinion.
ssjlkrillin 4 months ago
@ssjlkrillin Never met a western engineer that did it for prestige or money. There are much easier ways to make money. The problem in China (three Chinese engineers told me this) is that their communist system spoon feeds information. They are not taught to be resourceful or creative. There are exceptions, but they are very rare. Most Indians either become a doctor, engineer or programmer due to family prestige pressures. They will tell you this themselves. Of course there are exceptions.
creativeengineer 4 months ago
@creativeengineer I agree that we may come from different backgrounds and/or different generations because I reiterate that the "present" crop of engineers are different from the old school masters (I'm only in my thirties). These young guys (not all of them) see nothing but "60k when I graduate"; no real dedication to the profession. Our educational system has been standardized across the globe-I do know personal attributes mean a lot in Indian society due to their caste system.
ssjlkrillin 4 months ago
@creativeengineer I alluded to the communist educational system with the mention of "oppressive regimes". The Chinese society is deeply rooted in Confucian principles, which emphasizes selfless service to institutions and leaders. You sacrifice everything for the "common good", which is defined by the leader/s as to what that "good" should be. Any form of individuality or expression is frowned upon-the culture is a beehive. America/society can not flourish with cookie-cutter engineers.
ssjlkrillin 4 months ago
@ssjlkrillin In my opinion any engineer who gets a degree for the salary or prestige (a "conscript") is not an engineer. A real engineer is one who lives and breathes engineering both during work hours and in his private time (a "volunteer"). One eastern Euro engineer thought I was mad developing a Linux radio voice system using UDP packets for fun, not for profit. He is exactly what an engineer should not be. One volunteer is worth ten conscripts.
creativeengineer 4 months ago
i loled hard at the part about his mother's picture....nice one.
nonchalantd 4 months ago
I'm a EE in the jobfield and I have to say I really enjoy my job, and I think the person that made this video simply went into a profession that wasn't for them...
anApparition 4 months ago
@anApparition I am an EE and I enjoy what I do as well; I couldn't be more of an engineer if I tried. My problem is not with being an engineer-it is with the engineering INDUSTRY, which creates the misery and dissatisfaction. Most engineers are happiest when they are self employed and not beholden to ludicrous requirements, skin-tight schedules, pinhead managers, fickle customers, and crappy lab facilities on a daily basis. I would not have made this video if I did not like being an engineer.
ssjlkrillin 4 months ago
"A doctor saves one life and gets a ticker-tape parade! An engineer saves millions of lives and gets laid off!"
ROFL
GAnesHx0Rz 4 months ago
This depresses me
LutzakVideos 4 months ago
I am starting to feel uneasy now. I started out by watching the video on PhD in humanities which was very convincing. Then went on to the one on PhD in Chemical Engineering which was again ok. Now, they have such videos dissuading people from wanting to be a) Electrical Engineer b) Software Engineer c) get a MBA d) Go to Law school e) PhD in Math f) PhD in Archaeology g) PhD psychology.So what are we supposed to study? We just play it safe,take no risks, do nothing and in the end - be a nothing?
TheChromelover 4 months ago
4:03 *facepalm*
StupidIdiot12345 4 months ago
might as well go work at mcdonalds :(
khashya786786 4 months ago
electronic engineering here and is this video supposed to demotivate me?
syariz06 5 months ago
So it's clear from all these videos that all jobs suck big time.
So might as well become an electrical engineer or [insert job here] cause you will be f*cked in the ass by your employer regardless of what you choose.
HyperSpify 5 months ago
I hear you- this is why my father warned me not to go into engineering (he was an EE). I double majored in materials and mechanical engineering in the early 1980's hoping to do semiconductor fab- which was promptly outsourced to Taiwan (one of the very first industries to go). Gave up and became a patent attorney- more variety of work, more money, more respect although jobs are tight now and I have been overseas for 8 years. Sigh. Good luck!
erbiumfiber 5 months ago
well this is depressing..... :S is this the truth?
InvalidReject 5 months ago
FYI: I have over 10 years experience (almost 12) working in three different industries in several states; I would like to think I know what I'm talking about. For those that only have one year or less of experience and believe they know everything, there's a VERY rude awakening for you if you ever become a statistic. If you're unemployed, you get fed to the wolves (HR) who reject you based upon a keyword search-not skills or competence level.
ssjlkrillin 5 months ago
@jshowa4 You're only 23 years old (I checked your profile); you're working a crap job with an engineering degree because you have no experience and you most likely did not have an internship. It is arrogant and disrespectful people like yourself that turn companies away from new hires (what is with this generation)? If what I am saying is BS, you must really like the taste of it because you keep coming back for more. But anyway, grow up and learn how the world works.
ssjlkrillin 5 months ago
@jshowa4 I've entertained this long enough-I have been ACTIVELY SEARCHING for employment for 2.5 years (I have 10+ yrs in this industry). I am not saying a liberal arts degree is better; I am saying that these people lack PRACTICAL skills which makes them easier to retain. An engineer has hardware/software developmental skills-an English major waits tables. The insurance company hires them because they're not going anywhere and they're cheap. By the way, I hope you stay employed :)
ssjlkrillin 5 months ago
@jshowa4 A person with an engineering degree will be overlooked for virtually most occupations other than engineering because they will be seen as overqualified. In this economy, it is all about prior experience in the occupation for which you are applying-they could care a rat's behind about transferable skills (I have been at this for 2.5 years-it is a bloody fact)! I can do a zillion things myself, but that company is not going to take a risk because "insurance" is not on the resume.
ssjlkrillin 5 months ago
And another thing...I have tried to persuade these non-engineering companies into hiring me (and to say I did not try hard enough is bull) but I have been refused by most because at any moment an engineering company will make me an offer and they will be back at square one training someone else. I was developing high speed switching power supplies-now I deliver pizzas because there are too many jobless analog power engineers for companies to choose from-and NONE of them are good enough anymore!
ssjlkrillin 5 months ago
To anybody currently studying -> I've worked as an electronics engineer for the last 10 years, it's an awesome job. I once spent 6 months working on the set of a major hollywood movie whilst designing a special effects system. I've made 6 or 7 major products in my career all of which I can point to and say 'I made that' . There's not many professions where that's true. Lastly I've personally found it trivial to get work when I want it and when contracting make more money than most people I know.
seddona 7 months ago
@seddona I'm rather impressed-you're the exception in this field. I've had products that have gone in spacecraft, automobiles, and airplanes myself but they're rather obscure and virtually unnoticeable. Hopefully a few engineering grads will be lucky enough-in this economy-to work on a Hollywood set. I know a few colleagues that have worked for over 20 years and have almost nothing to show for it (the pinnacle of an engineering career is to leave your mark in society in some tangible way).
ssjlkrillin 7 months ago
hey, so what's the alternative? :)
gomunkul 7 months ago
@gomunkul: Engineers are unique in regards to those of other professions-we have the capability to utilize our talents to physically produce a good to meet economic demand. Why develop electronics and mechanical devices for industry when you have the tools and hopefully the skills/ability to do it for yourself? A schoolteacher/CPA/lawyer/doctor can not build a faster 802.3/11 system or a more efficient power supply but an engineer in a garage can.
ssjlkrillin 7 months ago
@ssjlkrillin so being an Engineer is the lesser of all evils? or you want to give an answer to my original question and describe career alternatives?
thanks.
gomunkul 7 months ago
@gomunkul: 500 words really limits me but anyway: the hard fact is you're stuck. An engineering degree does not translate into other industries as well as a liberal arts degree because it is too specific. You're overqualified for anything else. A history/english/art/sociology major can be an insurance claims adjuster, retail general manager, or janitor. An electrical engineer can be...an electrical engineer.
ssjlkrillin 7 months ago
@gomunkul: I MUST reiterate that if you have a DEFINITE interest in engineering you should be able to utilize your talents without having to work for a company (I did not realize this until later myself). If you are simply looking at the starting salary then all I can say is what are you really interested in and how far along are you in college? Not every video that poses a problem has a ready-made solution-I would have included a solution if I had one-engineers like solving problems :).
ssjlkrillin 7 months ago
@ssjlkrillin I'm on my Masters in Engineering and I'm in my late 20's. didn't find general occupations to my liking and I was always drawn to science and philosophy - Engineering seemed a practical choice and Philosophy of science in my doctrine :) I try not to work for a company and I utilize my talents in the research of alternative energy generation. history/english/art/sociology seemed to impractical may be?
gomunkul 7 months ago
Mechanical Engineer here, but very little of this has been my experience in the work force.
Alyantis 7 months ago
@Alyantis: Which industry do you work in?
ssjlkrillin 7 months ago
@ssjlkrillin Power Generation
Alyantis 7 months ago
@Alyantis: The HV power distribution sector is more low-stress than other sectors (it's even more low-stress than defense/aerospace). I've worked in the space industry (what deadline?), the defense industry (talk about redundant tasks), and the automotive/consumer electronics and the industrial sectors (crazy hours, impossible demands, impossible deadlines). I will admit that I have acquired TONS more experience in the latter two sectors because of the challenges and the responsibilities.
ssjlkrillin 7 months ago
I've seen one of these for just about any good job you could go to school for. So I wonder, what the hell would you propose we do? Its rather disheartening, but there are shitstorms in any field, some are just a little worse than others. I'm half way done with my EE degree, and videos like this make me feel bad about it, but honestly I wouldn't know what else to do that peaks my interest. And yes, finding EE internships is a pain, especially if you don't want to work in the power industry.
Chimpalimp1001 7 months ago
@Chimpalimp1001: I know a lot of these videos on youtube are bursting a lot of college students' bubbles but someone has to make people aware of the potential pitfalls and risks involved in these professions. It can be discouraging in one way but in another way it can prepare you for the harsh lessons that schools will never teach. If you're not in it [engineering] simply for the money, you'll be ok. As I've said before, I like engineering; I do not like the engineering business.
ssjlkrillin 7 months ago
The video has a subtle racist tone somewhere in the middle
jellovendigar 8 months ago
@jellovendigar I'm surprised; please be more specific
ssjlkrillin 8 months ago
@ssjlkrillin Maybe I'm being too sensitive. 4:37
jellovendigar 8 months ago
@jellovendigar: If it weren't true that a lot of engineering jobs were being outsourced to Asia, then it would be inaccurate. It could only be seen as racist if I expressed my contempt with the people taking the jobs and not with the circumstances that allowed it.
ssjlkrillin 8 months ago
@ssjlkrillin It's not innaccurate. USA is losing its edge and that's quite normal when you think about the stiff competition the "rest of the world" creates. The video subtly implies there's something wrong with "those people" taking the jobs. As if it would be ok if Europeans were taking them. But again I say, this is me being sensitive.
jellovendigar 8 months ago
@jellovendigar: I have no problem with competition but I do have a problem with companies that continually seek candidates that are non-citizens [that may or may not be qualified]. There are still plenty of well qualified engineers in the US. You can not depress wages too much without receiving a gradually lessening caliber of candidates (see education). Our competition happens to come from Asia-what if it was Denmark? There are solutions to this issue but I do not want to delve into politics.
ssjlkrillin 8 months ago
@ssjlkrillin I guess those solutions would include barriers to foreign talent and protection for USA citizens. My guy feeling tells me it would be a bad choice for USA in the long term. Just like a company that doesn't hire outsiders and only promotes from within. Competitive edge would go down. At some point you need other perspectives and cultures at the workplace. It only enriches the end result. Diversity isn't a burden it's a boon.
jellovendigar 8 months ago
@jellovendigar: That is not my solution at all. But nonetheless, what is wrong with looking out for the well being of fellow American citizens before others (ALL American citizens, regardless of race)? I have PERSONALLY worked with both white and non-white engineers (some Asian) that were incapable of performing their tasks and vice versa. To infer that non-white engineers are not as competent as white engineers is an attempt to put words in my mouth that I would never utter.
ssjlkrillin 8 months ago
@jellovendigar: I should clarify that I am referring to individuals with work visas that are non-citizens. It is nearly impossible for an American to land a position in China, unless you can speak fluent Mandarin (which almost guarantees that you will be Chinese-no Koreans or Japanese can apply either) which I believe is more racially exclusive. I am not a PC person but I am mindful about how things can be interpreted so I am now aware that this reference can be bothersome to some people.
ssjlkrillin 8 months ago
@jellovendigar Actually it's bluntly racist and smacks of envy.
bmaj7 4 months ago
Engineer do not get jobs thrown at them. They have to look for it. And, Engineers definitely have tight deadlines which makes problem solving difficult. Due to this, they have little time to fix or research. Nowadays, getting an entry level job engineer is even more difficult. They test you on theories, and ask you complex questions expecting you to solve a problem on the spot.
consolemaster 8 months ago
This video is a lie. EECS people get jobs thrown at them like mosquitos.
armorsmith43 9 months ago
@armorsmith43: If this video is a lie then that makes my career a lie. I have some questions for you: are you an engineer? If so, have you weathered the economic storm and managed to keep your job these past 2-3 years? If so, then you have NO IDEA how difficult the job market is for engineers that are not working. If you are not an engineer I will safely assume you do not know what you're talking about and disregard this comment.
ssjlkrillin 9 months ago
@ssjlkrillin
if your videos are to be believed then nobody on the planet is employed earning above minimum wage
UberTroll13 8 months ago
@ssjlkrillin The thing I hate about being an Engineer is finding a job. You get tested on the spot with complex problems and given little time to solve them. I agree with you on everything.
consolemaster 8 months ago
@consolemaster: Tell me about it. I've had my share of interviews these past several months where they hand you a test booklet the equivalent of an SAT exam and give you an hour to complete it. Sometimes they will draw a schematic on a whiteboard and have you complete it or explain its function. You can test well but still get passed over for "cultural reasons". I have NOT had this kind of trouble prior to 2009. The interviews will not improve until the economy improves.
ssjlkrillin 8 months ago
@armorsmith43 I find that it's really easy to get software engineering / programming offers, but legit EE internships seem pretty rare (I've barely run into any). I just did a search on my school's job board: 452 hits for software and 40 hits for electrical engineering. Software engineering may pay well, but it's basically dead end if one doesn't work at a top firm.
Also getting an engineering degree does not help at all for a non-engineering job.
bozellandbuckley 8 months ago
this sounds so UNINSPIRATIONAL
watzgoodinthe711 9 months ago
The part at the end is fucking hilarious, I love dark humour.
MuonRay 10 months ago 4
Man this video is so disheartening. What the fuck am I studying for?
anonymousppl 10 months ago 19
i'm an incoming freshman and this video made me a bit shaky about majoring in EE. i'm still interested in it though. i was thinking about getting an MBA, or MSS later.
my school offers a combined physics and engineering program (it's not double majoring but you do come out with two degrees it's weird) anyway, what's your take on that?
poolie626 10 months ago
@poolie626 Two degrees for only half the work isn't bad (engineering is just a pragmatic approach to physics anyway). If you are considering an MBA then you are obviously on the managerial track so the majority of this video might not even apply to you ;). This video applies to "real" engineering, not the ubiquitous positions at the huge defense contractors (you know who you are). If you want to work at Joe's Analog Power Company then be prepared.
ssjlkrillin 10 months ago
@ssjlkrillin just curious, which path do you deem more practical, the managerial approach or the authenticity of "real" engineering? i don't mean to sound like a wanna be, but i was in the military for a bit and i knew i wanted to go to college, and engineering is the only major that stood out to me
poolie626 10 months ago
@poolie626 To be blunt: are you intrigued by the complexities of technology and believe that you can contribute with your own innovations and ideas as well as be passionate about the newest developments? If so, then you're set to be an engineer. On the other hand, if you believe you have leadership potential and can handle the responsibilities of delegating tasks, attending meetings, and making critical project decisions then you should be a manager.
ssjlkrillin 10 months ago
Lol
TheClubshaker 10 months ago
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TheUltimateBeing01 11 months ago
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TheUltimateBeing01 11 months ago
Former EE major here:
Advantages of EE: Easy to get 50k job, some companies do cool things (i.e. NASA), no need to get resume boosting ECs and experiences (coursework is all that matters)
Disadvantages of EE: Skills lack portability, generally gives out low GPA which limits grad school options, engineering jobs have gender imbalance and most aren't interesting, won't learn useful soft skills like public speaking and writing, vulnerable to outsourcing and H1B holders
bozellandbuckley 11 months ago
4th year EE at GaTech, no where close to graduation, I hate this major, my parent's won't believe me when I tell them this stuff, they tell me I am being pessimistic, am just stressed out, and just need a good nights sleep. I haven't gotten a good nights sleep in 4 years! Should I fight them and change my major? If so, to what? I enjoy.... coding? I can't imagine CS is better...
HyruleanHero1988 11 months ago
@HyruleanHero1988 I have a friend that is a programmer-he has a repetitive strain disorder in his right wrist due to the incessant typing.
I honestly have no concrete suggestion for you; if you really enjoy engineering, stick it out. If you're in this for the salary you should probably change your major-it isn't worth it ;).
ssjlkrillin 11 months ago
@HyruleanHero1988 My experience is that CS has less mind-numbing memorization and tedious repetition and in turn has more creativity and design.
bozellandbuckley 10 months ago
I can only draw upon past experience-working for several companies all over the country; different industries-large and small. It's all the same: don't kid yourself :-).
ssjlkrillin 1 year ago
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TheUltimateBeing01 11 months ago
@TheUltimateBeing01 Get an internship-get your foot in the door. 95% of the time they will hire you full time. The energy sector is booming. An MSEE gives you a specialty but you are made inflexible and your career options are limited as a result. It is a double-edged sword that does you no good either way. What is your real interest? Focus all your energies into that and go for it. My focus was on audio, which was also helpful in power electronics. I only have a BS; show what you know!!!
ssjlkrillin 10 months ago
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TheUltimateBeing01 10 months ago
Very good; you beat me to it.
dbeeder 1 year ago
An engineer dies and reports to hell. Pretty soon, the engineer gets dissatisfied with the level of comfort in hell, and starts designing and building improvements.
one day God asks Satan how it's going.
Satan replies, "the engineer is great!
God replies, "What? You've got an engineer? That's a mistake -- send him up here."
Satan says, "No way. I'm keeping him."
God says, "Send him back or I'll sue."
Satan laughs, "Yeah, right. And just where are you going to get a lawyer?"
pn2543 1 year ago 46
@pn2543 i dont get it
soccer90me 4 months ago
@soccer90me It is saying that the engineer was fixing things he/she did not like in hell, so Satan wanted to keep him/her. When God says he will sue, Satan replys saying how? because he has all the lawyers because they were immoral because they to not tell the truth.
musicalatv 4 months ago