i think tht itz the other way around, bc im a xbox360 fan all the way and we've been working on our microsoft kinect for at least 2 to 3 years and these guys are just now starting or like solarbeem said they could've had a sold it to them which I highly doubt though, bc they are rivals.
@Sticky103@Sticky103 Lol these guys are just staring now? "These guys" are from sony, this motion tracking system is running on the ps2 which is way more than 2 or 3 years. So guess who copied who?
i think if microsoft or somebody uses controllers, just so u have buttons to press (cuz like he said, certain things just cant be done without it) and maybe an analog stick to navigate large areas in game, and combine it with the full body motion capture that the Kinect uses, it would be the ultimate in gaming. just my opinion.
@MikeShabs u just described the move, sony said that the ps eye and move is capable of doing the same thing kinect does (plus all the things that u move controller ads to it) but the developers are taking it a step at a time, remember back when the ps eye first came out? there was a video of it doing 1:1 real time motion capture without a mocap suit and it could detect distance and size after like a 10 second calibration set
i think they copied sony just to show sony up. like what that guy had a ghetto ass version of the game for one, and two that game idea is really old. its not like sony came up with that idea, Its just a more 3d version of pong. I know that back probably like 14 - 16 years ago i play a computer game at school (elementry school) that was the basic same idea. Its not like its even close to being a ''new'' concept. Its just Microsoft Saying Our Natal Is way Better Than The Eye cam can ever be.
@labobnix no its microshaft trying to say the kinect is better, but its not so theyre just continuing to lie which is just about the only thing m$ is good at (i own the kinect and move so im speaking from self experience)
@thrasha666 Hold on, MS is wrong for saying that Kinect is better? How is that bad? So basically a company isn't allowed to say their product is better than another's right. Or is MS isn't the only one allowed to?
@krjcook i didnt say that now did i, they can say that theirs is the best, but if its not the best isnt it still lying? i could say my yamaha r1 is the best looking one their is (cause its mine) but if theres a better looking one doesnt that mean im lying?
@thrasha666 Your analogy makes no sense because looks are opinions. But yea you are saying that, MS is lying because its not better. Do you expect MS to say it's worse. NO company in there right mind would downplay their product. And to call MS out is simple and plain bias and blatant dislike.
@krjcook no i dont, but maybe i shouldve elaborated, i hate any company that says their product is better without offering a reason why its better, ive seen no credible point that M$ offered as to why the kinect is better
@thrasha666 There is not credible point to when MS said that kinect was better. They haven't said it. You know why? Because MS doesn't throw jabs like Sony and Nintendo who make commercial saying that the other is better. They've been doin it since Sony first step on the scene back in the 90s. Nintendo backed off a litte since this gen, but Sony is still going at it. Remember that Commercial with Kev Butler talking about the Wii and Kinect? You know, pew, pew, pew?
@krjcook ok fine in my opinion ms has bought more games then sony (im not counting total im talking about good games), i never said anything about how the console design was influenced i said the controller was influenced, and yea it may have been influenced a bit by a tv remote, but things can be influence by more then one thing, and explain to me how the wii controller (in the patents i saw) went from ds (basically) then the move patents were out, then all of a...
@krjcook ...sudden the wii controllers switched to the wiimote style after the move patents were filed and ill agree to your point, until then everything ive seen and read points to the wiimote being copied from the move
@thrasha666 The move didn't even have a distinguishable style when the patent for the wiimote was filed. THe only patent that was out was that of a ball on a stick. Hell how could Nintendo copied the layout if they layout isn't even similar. That's like calling the PS1 controller a copy of the SNES controller. They both have Dpad on the left, face buttons on the right, and select and start in the middle.
@thrasha666 What verbal patent? Hope your not talking about the tech demo that Sony had with the ball on a stick? Because that's MOCAP, which was in use well before sony. You say Nintendo copied Sony with design, but Sony didn't have a design. All they had was a BALL on a STICK. Nintendo didn't produce a BALL on a STICK, so I don't see how it's a copy.
@krjcook verbal was a poor choice of words, kinda drunk now so cant think of the word...the description of it i guess...the picture was a ball on a stick...but the description i saw basically said everything that the wiimote has and never mentioned the glowing ball until later, it originally mentioned it using bluetooth and the ball contained gyros (and didnt use eye) as opposed to now where its opposite
@thrasha666 A little toasty huh? Lucky bastard, been wanted some rum and coke for sometime now, but I got college exams coming up and I'm not trying to touch anything. But yea you can't say it's a copy because its using bluetooth, because its just a connectivity standard. And you can't knock it by saying that it uses an accelerometer because there is not other way to sense a tilting motion.
@krjcook lol no coke pepsi!!! no seriously though, rum and percocets (i got a script tho, i was in a bike wreck in may and my backs fucked up so i got scripts for pain killers and what not) i got school exams too (working on my bachelors) but its the weekend so...:) as for the hardware, im not referring to the parts that make it up, im referring to the descriptions, if two things are described as a "remote/wand" that can track motion and relay the information to the system in order to...
You minus well say sony's move copied nintendo's wii mote...EPIC FAIL!!! Everybody gets inspired by other peoples ideas thats just how it is. Everyone copied apple with the touchscreen yet apple didnt invent that neither.
@chiekoWA ur an idiot, sonys been working on move since 2002, nintendo caught glimpse of sonys patents, and made their own version, only less accurate and way cheaper
@patsybob the Natal or Kinect is a similar technology. Eye toy uses one camera and uses any motion in the view of the camera to do something in the game, I think later games for it find a humanoid shape to do this so it is more accurate. Natal does something similar but it uses two cameras so it has a sense of 3D so it is a little more accruate but being a new technology it still has bugs, like the bit where his avatar went spaso.
@Scobbo actually the eye is more accurate, the only reason for the move controller is to add more to it, the eye is capable of tracking without controllers just like kinect is but without the controller it couldnt do fps and other hardcore games, back when the eye first came out (not eyetoy, but the eye, for ps3) there was a video of it (on a ps3) doing 1:1 realtime motion capture without a mocap suit, and it could recognize distance and measurements after a 10 second calibration set
@patsybob ur an idiot, sonys been working on move since 2002, nintendo caught glimpse of sonys patent and they made their own, less accurate, cheaper version that we know now as the wiimote, do some research before you run your mouth
@krjcook nintendo has not been working on the wiimote since 2001, the said they didnt begin working on the controller for the console until after the ds was released because if the ds didnt do well they wouldnt have continued with motion control, the even said the controller for the wii was supposed to be a version of the touchpad with a stylus (like on the ds) until they got "ideas" from elsewhere
@krjcook wow, shoulda known you got your info from wiki, you know that people can write whatever they want on wikipedia right? try a more respectable source, like browsing around the patents or the companies site itself, nintendo even admitted they were influenced heavily by sonys ideas with the move, "thats all im gonna say about that subject"
@thrasha666 Yea your right, Wiki isn't credible. Unless the source is linked from another site, like BusinessWeek. Which has a article in 2006 in which Miyamoto himself, said that they've been developing the Nintendo Revolution...excuse me WIi since 2001. Sorry about that, shouldn't be using codenames.
i read that microsoft bought the technology from some company, 3dv systems or something. all the facial/voice recognition, skeletal mapping and stuff was going to be made into a webcam or something by that company until microsoft bought it
@marcos27pr ur an idiot, sony has been working on the move since 2002, nintendo copied them, the xmb was made before media center was as it was the same that sony used on the psx (the ps2+dvr) the games werent copies as u could say any game is a copy of any other game, trophies were thought of well before the ps3 was even announced, but they didnt think that a fictional trophy (achievement) would matter to people (it only does to people without lives)...
@marcos27pr home came before avatar, and modnation was out before joyride, do some research before you run off at the mouth like an uneducated 5 year old
@sesestro woooooooooow you a dum fuck but i dont blame you i should have made it more clearly for dumasses like you.. wen i said my boy i was referin to you... and next time dont cum at me wit that nonsense asshole
@TheTrayyart I'm glad that you still know that my english is and so good and now you made it clear one more thing i respect english language so i won't say bad english words and you are crap to me and very annoying that truly needed to be cleared.
@TheTrayyart alright but i accidently send another reply to you i'm sorry about that and that should the first one i accidently click post by accident and im not finish typing yet
@sesestro I'm glad that you still know that my english is not so good and now you made it clear to me about what you said earlier and one more thing i respect english language so i won't say and bad words but you just said a bad word and by saying it using your own original language that is english your not respecting it in other words you have no respect to your country and to your self so you are a crap that needed to be cleared if you ask me.
ok im not a ps fanboy or anything but if ppl wanted to kick a fuckin ball theyd do it in real life. the reason ppl play video games is to immerse themselves in an unreal scenario for entertainment. i mean im not knocking xbox for natal i think its a good idea and i bet theyll make some good games for it. but most gamers i now r to lazy to want to stand up and flail there whole entire body about, in there living room risking breaking there lamp or worse for fun.
@thrasha666 Oh I see now, you don't like MS, I can tell because your typing M$ like a prepubescent fanboy from the 90's. Why does it matter if MS bought a company? If they didn't someone else could come and license the hardware. So MS is wrong using their money for buying a company? Only person complaining is you, I bet 3DV is loving life at this moment.
@krjcook oh yea i hate ms, thats why i own 2 360s and got kinect on its launch day, i love all the companies, but what i hate is monopolies and companies that dont make their own shit, but rather buy out other companies and ideas, not saying that sony and nintendo hasnt before but m$ does it the most
@thrasha666 LOL, the only thing MS is monopolizing is the PC market. That's it. Not even close for console, and surely not close for the phone market, so that point is invalid. How does MS do it the most? You don't even know how many companies they bough in the recent years. Sony has bought more game developers than both, but that doesn't matter does it? Apple has bought 3 ARM companies and # of softwar companies in the last recent years, but that matter either, because it's not MS.
@krjcook i hate apple too, and im not talking software, im talking hardware...but lets get back to the original argument...i never said they didnt begin making the wii in 2001, i said the controller didnt begin till later, and all the patents that i saw for the wii (back then) was basically a nintendo ds as the controller, then after the move patents were submitted, the wiimote patents magically started to pop up
LOL, The design of the console was influenced by the DS, the design for the Wiimote was influenced by the regular TV remote, because Nintendo wanted something that was accessible by everyone.
@krjcook but how do you figure sony has bought more then both? ms is the one that throws money at companies for exclusives and to take exclusives away from sony and nintendo
@thrasha666 Umm, it doesn't take a dimwit to know that Sony has bought more developers than both. You know gaming history right? Then you should know that! And what's wrong with buying exclusives? What MS shouldn't be allowed? Why, because you say so? Sony bought exclusive in the 5th & 6th gen, where the PSX/PS2 reigned supreme, and Nintendo did it the 4th & 5th gen, but it's not bad when they do it. Just MS right?
WarzoneGamer...Dude, you failed. MS can't copy something they owned. They bought out 3DV a week after the demo you showed. They were using there Camera technology not the Eyetoy.
I just love how this video actually proves that natal is just a revamped eyetoy. not the new playstation eye, but the original, old, eyetoy for PS2. Cheers WZG, now i can prove to my mates that i was right ^.^
well when i first saw the wii i was like "wow thats gonna revolutionize the way games are played" then i got one and saw how linear the wiimote is. it had the illusion of free motion movement in game like in red steel but when u had a sword fight u could only use it with pre determened movements. where as in the Arc demo it captures every movement with extreme 1/1 accuracy.
Just stop and think about what type of games could possibly work perfectly with Wiimote, Arc, Natal. There aren't many genre's is there? Not Sports, Not FPS, Maybe Racing, Maybe TPS, Maybe RTS, RPG, Action/Adventure. I'm 100% that if you do competitive online against someone with a controller you gonna get smashed. I have a Wii and I don't really like how the games play, and I sure the Arc will be close to that. I'll wait next gen before I get into Natal or the Arc.
ok im not hating on the wiimote itself just the games. if you type head tracking into your youtube search function u will find jonny lee and his wii hax, that is the next gen, can only go so far with gfx. if the gameplay sux then what good r all the pretty textures.
@krjcook saw a video a while back with some guy who said that he predicted new genres of games would be made for natal. i wont buy unless theres some good games though...
@solarbeam555 the entire playstation branch of sony could go under and it wouldnt even put a dent in sonys bank account, thats what most people dont realize, and microshit bought the kinect tech from some company (forget the name) that already had it completely finished and perfected for pc, but just like they did with halo, m$ threw money at them and bought it out hoping that it would bring something good to their console...
@solarbeam555 ...but since kinect cant be used for hardcore games or shooters (which is what like 90% of people with a 360 use it for) it was a bad choice, i have kinect and move, and not only is move wayyyy more accurate and more fun, but i dont have to stand exactly 7 feet away from the camera at all times like i have to with the kinect
its not the same game its definatly not the same technology dude
eyetoy is nothing to natal and if u come with that motion sensor crap microsoft is also realeasing one of those and its also 3d and no ms didnt copy it they were coming out for both ps3 and 360 but then when natal was annouced, natal took the fame from the motion sensor and ps3 is still with the same sensor bs
microshit is fuckin gay they jacked that tech from sony years ago what sony is doing is letting microsoft come out with there so called new tech and then come out with a better more refined flaw free version...sounds familar huh maybe ps3 and 360...think about it
@sinbad656 umm actually xbox has a private company run thier servers thats why it costs money now sony does it for free and actually ive had more problems with x box live than ps3 servers...and which system has endless problems...oh and how will have 3d video games...and ps3 is doing the same thing they did with the systems let x box come out first and have many problems then take that fix it and make it better
I prefer play with controls and games and also this idea is old nintendo was the first one in doing things like that. I don't know if many of you remember that the first nintendo has a running game that you play it with some kind of carpet and when you jump the character in the game jump, so I think nintendo was the first one in bring ideas like this one.
dont u think that if this was a copy of eyetoy sony would have said somethings and microsoft would have had to back dow? plus it looks better on microsoft i think this vid is bull shit becuase all the eye toy is is a camera and no more when playing gaems on eyetoy the camera refects your bdoy movements, it doesnt motion sense them because there are no sensors on the eyetoy
you're a fucking idiot. did you hear the guy say zcam in the first video? do some research and youd realize that microsoft bought 3DV systems who invented the zcam.
Dude that guy wasn't working for playstation and scam is not eyetoy the guy was just prsenting an idea and th concole he used was ps2 b cause xbox original wasn't very popular at the time
i dont know why people try to compare them both, they are totally different if anything natal is unique as you dont have to use anything if you dont want to BUT sat if ur in a game with a sword u can choose to use any item say a tv remote and natal will scan it in and let you use it
microsoft comfirmed this
where as the ps3 morion controller is more or less a upgraded wii remote lol
i own both consoles and will be getting both as they are both totally different
The only unique thing about natal is that it can recognize objects. Eyetoy is very much an early natal, but it had its own issues. Search for eyetoy kinetic to see a commercially released eyetoy product to compare. Some videos are on youtube even.
Dude come on that z or x camera thing is not itou at all. I don't even think you own an eyetoy b cause if u did you would know that eyetoy only projects yor camera image on screen to make it as if u are in th screen it doesn't use sensors or ghosts. Plus natal is a 3d camera
ok every one steal from every one only with the fact that the stoled item or whatever is getting better and better i mean if we talk like that we can say ps1 stole from nintendo they stole from sega and sega stole from nintendo for the whole videgame on television idea
Omfg u are a dumbass think before u type. Sony never owned ths zcam b cause it is not eyetoy at all. As fo Microsoft copying m. There was nothing to copy the people who made th zcam are the ones who r making project natal
Good Reporting. The only difference is. This is business, M$ seems like they are going to better capitalize on the demo by making it apart of the product. However, maybe the natal will end up like eyetoy.
the funny thing is no matter what any of you say microsoft is still gonna come out on top ps3 next and then nintendo. microsft is doin the right thing in their strategies to make da mooo-lah
targeting the 7 year olds who
parents are gonna get this product
shoot... im probably gonna get it either way because i think natal is tight
well, thats just business, sony stole a lot from nintendo and keep doing the same shit have u seen the motion controller of sony is just like the nintendo's but its business whoever put that technology to work better is going to be the winner of this war between consoles so you just talking shit right now
I agree, why we need to pretend that we are kicking something or running if we can go out side and feel that we are really running and meet other people in a gym. I know this is the future but I think something like milo project natal is not healthy, that looks like an option for people that don't has friends.
who cares its not like microsoft patented the button in the middle of their controller lol, the point of this video is to prove that natal is using eyetoy technology hence why its old technology with a fancy name
I am pretty sure it is very different coding and more it just looks a-like. You could say this for everything. Oh Honda stole Hybrid from Toyota. Anyone could've told you it basicly the same.
lol i already realize that microsoft is just ripping off sony. I realized it the first 5 minutes of watchin e3... And honestly i think this thing will fail. In alot of ways eyetoy failed and 360 doesnt even have that wide of a demographic group in comparison to ps2 imo
You should also look up " Proto-PlayStation Move in the works before Wii, called PlayStation Wand " on Google lol.
LBDragonz 7 months ago
Facts are facts.
That video is a pitch for Sony to use 3DV systems Zcam.
Sony passed and didn't make the kinect.
Microsoft bought the tech and slapped a web cam(eye toy) on 3DV system's Zcam.
The kinect is now in the Guinness book of world records for how many units were sold.
Epic fail for Sony in not listening to their genius.
Look at windows and Mac.. Xerox PARC invented it in 1973 but the executives passed on it.
watch?v=qrnmMgBBfNI#t=6m40s
M$ stole DOS too
abram730 9 months ago
Sony could salvage this.
create a affordable consumer version of this
Panasonic D-Imager
watch?v=FVRcWWRO_yk
and slap an eye toy on it and it still works with move.
To make it better, make them able to network(use many without interference) and a use a gpu to process it in Parallel to reduce lag(GPGPU).
abram730 9 months ago
its fact natal is sux and i have ps3 and xbox360 soo its not fanboy
manhunt202 1 year ago
i think tht itz the other way around, bc im a xbox360 fan all the way and we've been working on our microsoft kinect for at least 2 to 3 years and these guys are just now starting or like solarbeem said they could've had a sold it to them which I highly doubt though, bc they are rivals.
Sticky103 1 year ago
@Sticky103 @Sticky103 Lol these guys are just staring now? "These guys" are from sony, this motion tracking system is running on the ps2 which is way more than 2 or 3 years. So guess who copied who?
benjalazo 1 year ago
i think if microsoft or somebody uses controllers, just so u have buttons to press (cuz like he said, certain things just cant be done without it) and maybe an analog stick to navigate large areas in game, and combine it with the full body motion capture that the Kinect uses, it would be the ultimate in gaming. just my opinion.
MikeShabs 1 year ago
@MikeShabs u just described the move, sony said that the ps eye and move is capable of doing the same thing kinect does (plus all the things that u move controller ads to it) but the developers are taking it a step at a time, remember back when the ps eye first came out? there was a video of it doing 1:1 real time motion capture without a mocap suit and it could detect distance and size after like a 10 second calibration set
thrasha666 1 year ago
i think they copied sony just to show sony up. like what that guy had a ghetto ass version of the game for one, and two that game idea is really old. its not like sony came up with that idea, Its just a more 3d version of pong. I know that back probably like 14 - 16 years ago i play a computer game at school (elementry school) that was the basic same idea. Its not like its even close to being a ''new'' concept. Its just Microsoft Saying Our Natal Is way Better Than The Eye cam can ever be.
labobnix 1 year ago
@labobnix no its microshaft trying to say the kinect is better, but its not so theyre just continuing to lie which is just about the only thing m$ is good at (i own the kinect and move so im speaking from self experience)
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 Hold on, MS is wrong for saying that Kinect is better? How is that bad? So basically a company isn't allowed to say their product is better than another's right. Or is MS isn't the only one allowed to?
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook i didnt say that now did i, they can say that theirs is the best, but if its not the best isnt it still lying? i could say my yamaha r1 is the best looking one their is (cause its mine) but if theres a better looking one doesnt that mean im lying?
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 Your analogy makes no sense because looks are opinions. But yea you are saying that, MS is lying because its not better. Do you expect MS to say it's worse. NO company in there right mind would downplay their product. And to call MS out is simple and plain bias and blatant dislike.
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook no i dont, but maybe i shouldve elaborated, i hate any company that says their product is better without offering a reason why its better, ive seen no credible point that M$ offered as to why the kinect is better
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 There is not credible point to when MS said that kinect was better. They haven't said it. You know why? Because MS doesn't throw jabs like Sony and Nintendo who make commercial saying that the other is better. They've been doin it since Sony first step on the scene back in the 90s. Nintendo backed off a litte since this gen, but Sony is still going at it. Remember that Commercial with Kev Butler talking about the Wii and Kinect? You know, pew, pew, pew?
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook ok fine in my opinion ms has bought more games then sony (im not counting total im talking about good games), i never said anything about how the console design was influenced i said the controller was influenced, and yea it may have been influenced a bit by a tv remote, but things can be influence by more then one thing, and explain to me how the wii controller (in the patents i saw) went from ds (basically) then the move patents were out, then all of a...
thrasha666 1 year ago
@krjcook ...sudden the wii controllers switched to the wiimote style after the move patents were filed and ill agree to your point, until then everything ive seen and read points to the wiimote being copied from the move
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 The move didn't even have a distinguishable style when the patent for the wiimote was filed. THe only patent that was out was that of a ball on a stick. Hell how could Nintendo copied the layout if they layout isn't even similar. That's like calling the PS1 controller a copy of the SNES controller. They both have Dpad on the left, face buttons on the right, and select and start in the middle.
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook yes the visual patent, but the verbal patent described what it would do
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 What verbal patent? Hope your not talking about the tech demo that Sony had with the ball on a stick? Because that's MOCAP, which was in use well before sony. You say Nintendo copied Sony with design, but Sony didn't have a design. All they had was a BALL on a STICK. Nintendo didn't produce a BALL on a STICK, so I don't see how it's a copy.
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook verbal was a poor choice of words, kinda drunk now so cant think of the word...the description of it i guess...the picture was a ball on a stick...but the description i saw basically said everything that the wiimote has and never mentioned the glowing ball until later, it originally mentioned it using bluetooth and the ball contained gyros (and didnt use eye) as opposed to now where its opposite
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 A little toasty huh? Lucky bastard, been wanted some rum and coke for sometime now, but I got college exams coming up and I'm not trying to touch anything. But yea you can't say it's a copy because its using bluetooth, because its just a connectivity standard. And you can't knock it by saying that it uses an accelerometer because there is not other way to sense a tilting motion.
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook lol no coke pepsi!!! no seriously though, rum and percocets (i got a script tho, i was in a bike wreck in may and my backs fucked up so i got scripts for pain killers and what not) i got school exams too (working on my bachelors) but its the weekend so...:) as for the hardware, im not referring to the parts that make it up, im referring to the descriptions, if two things are described as a "remote/wand" that can track motion and relay the information to the system in order to...
thrasha666 1 year ago
@krjcook ...calculate points controls then they are basically the same thing and whatever came 2nd is obviously a copy, thats what im saying
thrasha666 1 year ago
@krjcook i was just using the bluetooth and gyros as a simple example rather then explaining the whole point
thrasha666 1 year ago
You minus well say sony's move copied nintendo's wii mote...EPIC FAIL!!! Everybody gets inspired by other peoples ideas thats just how it is. Everyone copied apple with the touchscreen yet apple didnt invent that neither.
chiekoWA 1 year ago
@chiekoWA thats not true sony introdused the same idea in 2004 before the wii was even realesed look it up!
TheRAZZITEAK 1 year ago
@chiekoWA ur an idiot, sonys been working on move since 2002, nintendo caught glimpse of sonys patents, and made their own version, only less accurate and way cheaper
thrasha666 1 year ago
lolz sony stole nintendo wii idea for ps move!
microsoft stole the playstations eyetoy for project natal!
everybody wins except nintendo!
patsybob 1 year ago
@patsybob the Natal or Kinect is a similar technology. Eye toy uses one camera and uses any motion in the view of the camera to do something in the game, I think later games for it find a humanoid shape to do this so it is more accurate. Natal does something similar but it uses two cameras so it has a sense of 3D so it is a little more accruate but being a new technology it still has bugs, like the bit where his avatar went spaso.
Scobbo 1 year ago
@Scobbo actually the eye is more accurate, the only reason for the move controller is to add more to it, the eye is capable of tracking without controllers just like kinect is but without the controller it couldnt do fps and other hardcore games, back when the eye first came out (not eyetoy, but the eye, for ps3) there was a video of it (on a ps3) doing 1:1 realtime motion capture without a mocap suit, and it could recognize distance and measurements after a 10 second calibration set
thrasha666 1 year ago
@patsybob ur an idiot, sonys been working on move since 2002, nintendo caught glimpse of sonys patent and they made their own, less accurate, cheaper version that we know now as the wiimote, do some research before you run your mouth
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 And Nintendo has been working on the Wii remote since 2001. What is your point?
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook nintendo has not been working on the wiimote since 2001, the said they didnt begin working on the controller for the console until after the ds was released because if the ds didnt do well they wouldnt have continued with motion control, the even said the controller for the wii was supposed to be a version of the touchpad with a stylus (like on the ds) until they got "ideas" from elsewhere
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 Go to the wiki page, that's all I'm gonna say about that subject.
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook wow, shoulda known you got your info from wiki, you know that people can write whatever they want on wikipedia right? try a more respectable source, like browsing around the patents or the companies site itself, nintendo even admitted they were influenced heavily by sonys ideas with the move, "thats all im gonna say about that subject"
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 Yea your right, Wiki isn't credible. Unless the source is linked from another site, like BusinessWeek. Which has a article in 2006 in which Miyamoto himself, said that they've been developing the Nintendo Revolution...excuse me WIi since 2001. Sorry about that, shouldn't be using codenames.
krjcook 1 year ago
Dont the PS Move controllers look familiar?
dargis49 1 year ago
i read that microsoft bought the technology from some company, 3dv systems or something. all the facial/voice recognition, skeletal mapping and stuff was going to be made into a webcam or something by that company until microsoft bought it
hatttttttt 1 year ago
When you make videos like this thats when you know you need a Phyocoetrist
Sony Copy more then anione Dashbord was copy of Windows Media Center
PS3 Move was a copy of Wiimote
Crash was made to conter Mario
Uncharted was made to Conter Gears
Killzone was made to conter Halo
PS3 trophys made to conter Achivement
PS Home to conter Avatar
ModNation to conter Joyride
marcos27pr 1 year ago
@marcos27pr ur an idiot, sony has been working on the move since 2002, nintendo copied them, the xmb was made before media center was as it was the same that sony used on the psx (the ps2+dvr) the games werent copies as u could say any game is a copy of any other game, trophies were thought of well before the ps3 was even announced, but they didnt think that a fictional trophy (achievement) would matter to people (it only does to people without lives)...
thrasha666 1 year ago
@marcos27pr home came before avatar, and modnation was out before joyride, do some research before you run off at the mouth like an uneducated 5 year old
thrasha666 1 year ago
nice i wanna buy it....
PS3gameX 2 years ago
natal is a piece of crap
rulzmaker 2 years ago 12
@rulzmaker gay
sesestro 1 year ago
@sesestro you're gay retard
rulzmaker 1 year ago
@rulzmaker i see you really are a gay if your are not you you won't mind to reply on me cause i said you are gay and and now your angry.
sesestro 1 year ago
@sesestro fuck you faggot
rulzmaker 1 year ago
@sesestro learn english you retarded piece of crap
rulzmaker 1 year ago
@rulzmaker so you really are stupid you only know english i know 3 language but yes I'm not so good at english.
sesestro 1 year ago
@sesestro lmao wtf rulzmaker talkin bout my boy knows 3 language wbu..hahaha
TheTrayyart 1 year ago
@TheTrayyart hahahah! you are really a stupid ass I'm talking about my self stupid idiot!
sesestro 1 year ago
@sesestro woooooooooow you a dum fuck but i dont blame you i should have made it more clearly for dumasses like you.. wen i said my boy i was referin to you... and next time dont cum at me wit that nonsense asshole
TheTrayyart 1 year ago
@TheTrayyart I'm glad that you still know that my english is and so good and now you made it clear one more thing i respect english language so i won't say bad english words and you are crap to me and very annoying that truly needed to be cleared.
sesestro 1 year ago
@sesestro i respect your opinoin but i can tell your offended by me makin an fool out of yourselve so ima end this right here and now..
TheTrayyart 1 year ago
@TheTrayyart alright but i accidently send another reply to you i'm sorry about that and that should the first one i accidently click post by accident and im not finish typing yet
sesestro 1 year ago
@sesestro I'm glad that you still know that my english is not so good and now you made it clear to me about what you said earlier and one more thing i respect english language so i won't say and bad words but you just said a bad word and by saying it using your own original language that is english your not respecting it in other words you have no respect to your country and to your self so you are a crap that needed to be cleared if you ask me.
sesestro 1 year ago
@rulzmaker LMFAO! Thats why you need to use a dildo shaped controller when we are hands free (no homo)
SubswiftTV 1 year ago
@SubswiftTV thats why we get to have fps and other hardcore games where all you can do is kick balls turn steering wheels...oh and dance horribly
thrasha666 1 year ago
natal is so weak
ISawADemon 2 years ago 13
@ISawADemon gay make your own
sesestro 1 year ago
ok im not a ps fanboy or anything but if ppl wanted to kick a fuckin ball theyd do it in real life. the reason ppl play video games is to immerse themselves in an unreal scenario for entertainment. i mean im not knocking xbox for natal i think its a good idea and i bet theyll make some good games for it. but most gamers i now r to lazy to want to stand up and flail there whole entire body about, in there living room risking breaking there lamp or worse for fun.
juan8777 2 years ago 2
so both sony and microsoft thought 3dv was cool but microsoft acted first and bought it
Polum824545201 2 years ago
@Polum824545201 no sony did
monkeymc55 2 years ago
@monkeymc55 no m$ bought 3dv, sony made their own version that started back in 2002 when they first started work on the move
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 Oh I see now, you don't like MS, I can tell because your typing M$ like a prepubescent fanboy from the 90's. Why does it matter if MS bought a company? If they didn't someone else could come and license the hardware. So MS is wrong using their money for buying a company? Only person complaining is you, I bet 3DV is loving life at this moment.
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook oh yea i hate ms, thats why i own 2 360s and got kinect on its launch day, i love all the companies, but what i hate is monopolies and companies that dont make their own shit, but rather buy out other companies and ideas, not saying that sony and nintendo hasnt before but m$ does it the most
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 LOL, the only thing MS is monopolizing is the PC market. That's it. Not even close for console, and surely not close for the phone market, so that point is invalid. How does MS do it the most? You don't even know how many companies they bough in the recent years. Sony has bought more game developers than both, but that doesn't matter does it? Apple has bought 3 ARM companies and # of softwar companies in the last recent years, but that matter either, because it's not MS.
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook i hate apple too, and im not talking software, im talking hardware...but lets get back to the original argument...i never said they didnt begin making the wii in 2001, i said the controller didnt begin till later, and all the patents that i saw for the wii (back then) was basically a nintendo ds as the controller, then after the move patents were submitted, the wiimote patents magically started to pop up
thrasha666 1 year ago
LOL, The design of the console was influenced by the DS, the design for the Wiimote was influenced by the regular TV remote, because Nintendo wanted something that was accessible by everyone.
krjcook 1 year ago
@krjcook but how do you figure sony has bought more then both? ms is the one that throws money at companies for exclusives and to take exclusives away from sony and nintendo
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 Umm, it doesn't take a dimwit to know that Sony has bought more developers than both. You know gaming history right? Then you should know that! And what's wrong with buying exclusives? What MS shouldn't be allowed? Why, because you say so? Sony bought exclusive in the 5th & 6th gen, where the PSX/PS2 reigned supreme, and Nintendo did it the 4th & 5th gen, but it's not bad when they do it. Just MS right?
krjcook 1 year ago
he's talking about (eye toy for ps2) not the (ps3 eye) yes thats right xbox 360 fanboys playstations already done it twice.
BLEHstudios 2 years ago
WarzoneGamer...Dude, you failed. MS can't copy something they owned. They bought out 3DV a week after the demo you showed. They were using there Camera technology not the Eyetoy.
krjcook 2 years ago
I just love how this video actually proves that natal is just a revamped eyetoy. not the new playstation eye, but the original, old, eyetoy for PS2. Cheers WZG, now i can prove to my mates that i was right ^.^
RaidenOcto 2 years ago
I love how the PS3 Arc/Wan is just a revamped Wiimote.
krjcook 2 years ago
its everything the wiimote isnt.
juan8777 2 years ago
And what would that be?
krjcook 2 years ago
well when i first saw the wii i was like "wow thats gonna revolutionize the way games are played" then i got one and saw how linear the wiimote is. it had the illusion of free motion movement in game like in red steel but when u had a sword fight u could only use it with pre determened movements. where as in the Arc demo it captures every movement with extreme 1/1 accuracy.
juan8777 2 years ago 3
Just stop and think about what type of games could possibly work perfectly with Wiimote, Arc, Natal. There aren't many genre's is there? Not Sports, Not FPS, Maybe Racing, Maybe TPS, Maybe RTS, RPG, Action/Adventure. I'm 100% that if you do competitive online against someone with a controller you gonna get smashed. I have a Wii and I don't really like how the games play, and I sure the Arc will be close to that. I'll wait next gen before I get into Natal or the Arc.
krjcook 2 years ago
ok im not hating on the wiimote itself just the games. if you type head tracking into your youtube search function u will find jonny lee and his wii hax, that is the next gen, can only go so far with gfx. if the gameplay sux then what good r all the pretty textures.
juan8777 2 years ago
@krjcook saw a video a while back with some guy who said that he predicted new genres of games would be made for natal. i wont buy unless theres some good games though...
hatttttttt 1 year ago
@krjcook wiimote is a downplayed move, sony started work on the move in 2002, next time research shit before u make yourself look like an idiot
thrasha666 1 year ago
@thrasha666 The Wiimote is nothing but a powerglove in your hand. Powerglove was out with the NES.
krjcook 1 year ago
DjessiTK you look like the only spaz here for commenting non stop for almost an hour on this video.
RandomDirectors 2 years ago
Indeed, Microsoft did "swagga-jag" Sony. FUCKING LOLZ!
hazonku 2 years ago
what makes u think that sony didnt sell it to them to recover some loses on the ps3 blu-ray sales?
solarbeam555 2 years ago
lol that had to be the dumbest thing i ever seen some body put up on here sony dont need m$ money they rich trust me lol
warzonegamerTV 2 years ago
Lol it doesn't matter if they don't need money, companies WANT money. solarbeam is right
IceStormGamer 2 years ago
@solarbeam555 the entire playstation branch of sony could go under and it wouldnt even put a dent in sonys bank account, thats what most people dont realize, and microshit bought the kinect tech from some company (forget the name) that already had it completely finished and perfected for pc, but just like they did with halo, m$ threw money at them and bought it out hoping that it would bring something good to their console...
thrasha666 1 year ago
@solarbeam555 ...but since kinect cant be used for hardcore games or shooters (which is what like 90% of people with a 360 use it for) it was a bad choice, i have kinect and move, and not only is move wayyyy more accurate and more fun, but i dont have to stand exactly 7 feet away from the camera at all times like i have to with the kinect
thrasha666 1 year ago
its not the same game its definatly not the same technology dude
eyetoy is nothing to natal and if u come with that motion sensor crap microsoft is also realeasing one of those and its also 3d and no ms didnt copy it they were coming out for both ps3 and 360 but then when natal was annouced, natal took the fame from the motion sensor and ps3 is still with the same sensor bs
xjosh360 2 years ago
@xjosh360 Actually you're right, Natal isn't the Eye Toy. It's two & some software.
hazonku 2 years ago
good to know lol
xjosh360 2 years ago
microshit is fuckin gay they jacked that tech from sony years ago what sony is doing is letting microsoft come out with there so called new tech and then come out with a better more refined flaw free version...sounds familar huh maybe ps3 and 360...think about it
dankycronic420 2 years ago
what a crock of shit sony cant even get their servers to run properly. that how shit they are
sinbad656 2 years ago
@sinbad656 umm actually xbox has a private company run thier servers thats why it costs money now sony does it for free and actually ive had more problems with x box live than ps3 servers...and which system has endless problems...oh and how will have 3d video games...and ps3 is doing the same thing they did with the systems let x box come out first and have many problems then take that fix it and make it better
dankycronic420 2 years ago
It all about who can make it first and best, if Sony still stuck in the 60's and Microsoft got year 3000 tech then Microsoft can make it.
MultiCRUDE 2 years ago
are you sure let see the millions of virus on the os...
topdinero 2 years ago
"MS swagga-jagged Sony" BEST QUOTE EVER!!!
goldendragonsun 2 years ago
lol
warzonegamerTV 2 years ago
@goldendragonsun lol o yeah
warzonegamerTV 1 year ago
imbocca yeah your right including the mouse.
rob92376 2 years ago
Hey Warzone Gamer TV
You from polish ??
sid199412 2 years ago
Not stolen made it better cuz
asaleh76 2 years ago
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frankiefrank15 2 years ago
You've been in the process for who knows how long and you're still a fuck up.
bandanaface 2 years ago 2
microsoft stoled ideas from apple in the 80's thats why steve was mad at them in the past.
rob92376 2 years ago
Brick breaker is such a clasic game its on many different sytems
m0nst3rg 2 years ago
360 still run this shit
23joshman 2 years ago
just another looser playing as a gangsta shit .. I'm sick of this guys... Man if you don't like ps3 don't buy it... enjoy microshit...
PEACE!
aklik2007 2 years ago 2
huh?
warzonegamerTV 2 years ago
i know man so much pricks complain like there mad
9eminem11 2 years ago
lol yeah man
warzonegamerTV 2 years ago
natal is way better
fatmama65 2 years ago
aww is the 360 fanboy jelouse of ps3 again
9eminem11 2 years ago
project natal is just a copy cat of I-Toy
fille906 2 years ago
You mean that Eyetoy started this thing? Naww, eyetoy was led off by an nintendo camera thing. Sucked balls badly but nintendo started it.
chronicle15 2 years ago
eye toy is crap
jalik007 2 years ago
I prefer play with controls and games and also this idea is old nintendo was the first one in doing things like that. I don't know if many of you remember that the first nintendo has a running game that you play it with some kind of carpet and when you jump the character in the game jump, so I think nintendo was the first one in bring ideas like this one.
enoc115 2 years ago
Lol, Why is this guy acting like some westside gangstaR, and got linkin park in the background lol
Cardboard Cutout Cunt
TheRV1987 2 years ago
nyc fag
warzonegamerTV 2 years ago
I agree.
GamerAutomatic 2 years ago
Is this fucker for real?
3DV Systems developed both Natal and Eyetoy technologies...
capodastaro 2 years ago
dont u think that if this was a copy of eyetoy sony would have said somethings and microsoft would have had to back dow? plus it looks better on microsoft i think this vid is bull shit becuase all the eye toy is is a camera and no more when playing gaems on eyetoy the camera refects your bdoy movements, it doesnt motion sense them because there are no sensors on the eyetoy
DjessiTK 2 years ago
Project natal is much better than eyetoy, because it's in 3D, and a lot of features!
marko180196 2 years ago
point is, microsoft is makeing eyetoy better, and what it could never be
magichabs3921 2 years ago
Apparently, you didnt watch the video
NeoTechni 2 years ago
HAHA MICROCOCK!!! SONY FTW
xemb23 2 years ago 2
I'd rather have a ghost than a shitty made skeleton
filly120 2 years ago
i dont get it...
xemb23 2 years ago
Im pretty sure Sony didn't patent 'kicking a ball against a wall'.
GamerJamer 2 years ago
It funny all xboxfanboy didnt know that eyetoy release 8year before the Project Natal
1crazyalex 2 years ago
w xbox
ilredeigiochi91 2 years ago
you're a fucking idiot. did you hear the guy say zcam in the first video? do some research and youd realize that microsoft bought 3DV systems who invented the zcam.
get a life you fat ass homo.
taibant 2 years ago
I have no preference of system but who has the copyright playstation or zcam?
omegaxhowler 2 years ago 2
Dude that guy wasn't working for playstation and scam is not eyetoy the guy was just prsenting an idea and th concole he used was ps2 b cause xbox original wasn't very popular at the time
DjessiTK 2 years ago
i dont know why people try to compare them both, they are totally different if anything natal is unique as you dont have to use anything if you dont want to BUT sat if ur in a game with a sword u can choose to use any item say a tv remote and natal will scan it in and let you use it
microsoft comfirmed this
where as the ps3 morion controller is more or less a upgraded wii remote lol
i own both consoles and will be getting both as they are both totally different
cleo2525 2 years ago
The only unique thing about natal is that it can recognize objects. Eyetoy is very much an early natal, but it had its own issues. Search for eyetoy kinetic to see a commercially released eyetoy product to compare. Some videos are on youtube even.
TheRabidDeer 2 years ago
Dude come on that z or x camera thing is not itou at all. I don't even think you own an eyetoy b cause if u did you would know that eyetoy only projects yor camera image on screen to make it as if u are in th screen it doesn't use sensors or ghosts. Plus natal is a 3d camera
DjessiTK 2 years ago
ok every one steal from every one only with the fact that the stoled item or whatever is getting better and better i mean if we talk like that we can say ps1 stole from nintendo they stole from sega and sega stole from nintendo for the whole videgame on television idea
johnmalenko 2 years ago
lol
ps3tards and xbawks 3sHittY
xin0 2 years ago
Meh, the Eye Toy sucked. So if Micro successfully makes use of Natal technology then that would say that they did something right.
crozzan 2 years ago
eyetoy 2002
Project Natal 2010 hmmm
M$ copy eyetoy and make better
1crazyalex 2 years ago
Omfg u are a dumbass think before u type. Sony never owned ths zcam b cause it is not eyetoy at all. As fo Microsoft copying m. There was nothing to copy the people who made th zcam are the ones who r making project natal
DjessiTK 2 years ago
It's all about marketing. Microsoft has always excelled in this department. Sony remains the engineering master.
kamg07 2 years ago
isnt the ps sphere a copy of the wiimote? double standards much?
flanker22 2 years ago
lol microsoft pwned as copycats yet again
Mardildo 2 years ago
Omfg copy way? Sony don't own 3dv microsoft didn't copy anything 3dv created this zcam and project natal!!!!! arrrhhh why dint people understand
DjessiTK 2 years ago
Microsoft is not an innovating company.. Anyone who thinks they are are turds. Fact.
inphi 2 years ago
hell yeah, +1 agreed
Rubensaccnt 2 years ago 2
+agreed
u da man.
Rubensaccnt 2 years ago
Good Reporting. The only difference is. This is business, M$ seems like they are going to better capitalize on the demo by making it apart of the product. However, maybe the natal will end up like eyetoy.
thomasonfa 2 years ago
ohh and thats not eye toy thats the 3dv company look it up
imenisang 2 years ago
Lol everyone who is thumbs downing this are spaz that can't take th fiking truth!!!
DjessiTK 2 years ago
the funny thing is no matter what any of you say microsoft is still gonna come out on top ps3 next and then nintendo. microsft is doin the right thing in their strategies to make da mooo-lah
targeting the 7 year olds who
parents are gonna get this product
shoot... im probably gonna get it either way because i think natal is tight
once it comes out in 60-120 fps
its gonna be raw
imenisang 2 years ago
well, thats just business, sony stole a lot from nintendo and keep doing the same shit have u seen the motion controller of sony is just like the nintendo's but its business whoever put that technology to work better is going to be the winner of this war between consoles so you just talking shit right now
crruiz1987 2 years ago
Call me old fashioned though.... I prefer to play games with a joypad.
All this jumping about and waving of arms (Wii / Natal / EyeToy), it's just too much like hard work.
I want to relax when I play. If I want exercise I go to the gym.
Peace :)
misterG2006 2 years ago 3
I agree, why we need to pretend that we are kicking something or running if we can go out side and feel that we are really running and meet other people in a gym. I know this is the future but I think something like milo project natal is not healthy, that looks like an option for people that don't has friends.
enoc115 2 years ago
B cause it is next lvl entertainment and it sells
DjessiTK 2 years ago
OP: You're a brave man posting a video like that.
Good luck! :)
misterG2006 2 years ago
Just like that big ps3 button in the middle of the playstation controller, wonder who they stole it from?!?!!
X2PPwnzor 2 years ago
who cares its not like microsoft patented the button in the middle of their controller lol, the point of this video is to prove that natal is using eyetoy technology hence why its old technology with a fancy name
paintballer70 2 years ago 2
I am pretty sure it is very different coding and more it just looks a-like. You could say this for everything. Oh Honda stole Hybrid from Toyota. Anyone could've told you it basicly the same.
X2PPwnzor 2 years ago
It is not eyetoy tech it is zcam tech and 3dv are the makers of zcam and they are the ones making project natal so get it right
they needed a consol to try the tech on and so they used ps2 but he could have used a pc if he wanted to
DjessiTK 2 years ago
I've been saying this all along so this isn't news to me, but at least now I have proof.
andrewq91 2 years ago
I don't think this is as much stealing as it is the basic tech demo kinda game thing to test the products out.
ryansmellsbad 2 years ago
omg this is great, i'm a ps3 fanboy and news like thisis like christmass, the natal is last gen!!!! LOL EPIC FAIL
Britishfanboy 2 years ago 2
that's all right...
but i had known that before ;)
i have nothing more to say as ms
thegardner9 2 years ago
lol i already realize that microsoft is just ripping off sony. I realized it the first 5 minutes of watchin e3... And honestly i think this thing will fail. In alot of ways eyetoy failed and 360 doesnt even have that wide of a demographic group in comparison to ps2 imo
ScrubsKlub 2 years ago