most of what God says or Jesus is metaforical and God killed or made ppl suffer because they had done a huge amount of evil things about atleast so far from until right now 10 or 20times more than God himself!
@TheBestlaidschemes I gave you a solid simple question and you didnt even come close to answering it. The fact that you couldnt proves you are in denial or just a idoit. Foolishness is a person who dont want to admit their wrong but knows they are like you. You dont want to answer cause you know your false ''loving'' god done every evil a person can think of.
faith the ablity to steal anothers status did god steal gods glory for no one can be god for god is death can a person go left and right at the same time no one can be everywhere do everything this equals death god is the forbbiden fruit no one can be god the day you be god you will surly die once they relize gods imataing will he be loved he already went outside the boundys of a good god for we found him in places he did not belong places god gods do not go
proof these being are lying that there not god if satan was the father of evil he would have done all evil that exist has he raped you stole from you no so how is he the father hah now for god god is the father of good has god ever saved poor children has he never missed a single good mark so how can he say hes the father of good hah theres a lot of angry customers and the custermers are always right always these are frauds no one can be god
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"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD (Yahweh of spiritual hosts), and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD (Yahweh of spiritual hosts).
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
@TheBestlaidschemes pride is the sin from which all others arise and is a deadly sin for god is a splinder the only one with the truth why are we born then
6:14 Can any of you Christains give a answer to this question? if not then you are evil your self or your so in denial that it made you retarded. So which is it pick one or answer the question.
@eliteknowledge here is the hidden mystory of god there not god there gods all the angles and us as well the creater was the tree of life and the tree of knowlege he created gray aliens god was a alien and said i will rise my trown beyound the stars of god i will be as the most high god wanted to be as his creater no gods imatating by this i fished all my work its done who is forever guessing satan was really god the story is important it shows how jehova feel from heaven the gray alien
@eliteknowledge god was the tree of life and the tree of knowege god was love so he created two trees cause in the day they eat god they would die cause hes beyound all understanding but out of love he made the tree of life that any one that eat him come to repentence for no one can be the most high put god to the test and your see sin cant stand in the presence of god cause god is not really god and god is the sin for sin cant stand in our presence thou said you was god and god is good
@Redo12able5:06 ''thats why god will send them a powerful delusion so they will believe a lie''. Your god made all you Christians believe a lie that he was good and you all believed believed him. When will you Christians all learn that ''Satan'' is the male god aka the FATHER of all lies and hes the one who designed the Bible. The Gnostics knew this along time ago and the Free Mason know the same thing, in fact they laugh at you Christians cause you all worship ''Satan'' and dont even know it.
@TheSolitaryTraveller To each his own. I seldom make comments on YouTube in response to nonbelievers. Unlike many evangelists, I'm not overly concerned about who believes in God and who doesn't. I'm helped a few people along the way, and have run into strong resistance with others. Win some, lose some. The way life is. I appreciate that you were not obscene while addressing me. Take care.
@TheReliquarian It appears that you are the one saying that what Hitler did (in the right light) could be considered a good thing, and further telling me what I said. I said no such thing. Context means context and interpretation means interpretation. One can interpret the last page of "The Grapes of Wrath" two different ways. To make context mean spin and bullshit is to put your own interpretation on them, so you are as gulity as you say I am. Decide for yourself, that's fair and no spin.
People like this chap often resort to the worst possible caricatures to defame the OT. For a more balanced education read Paul Copan's, "Is God a Moral Monster?" All of these misrepresentations are addressed in a more scholary examination. Yes, there are many troubling passages, but don't swallow this one-sided presentation. Remember: Every coin has two sides.
@Redo12able So what you're saying is in the right light what Hitler did could be considered a good thing?
What you're talking about is a twist on Hermeneutics, learning how to read something to reach a conclusion you like better than what is obviously stated.
Sorry, but when reasonable people hear the words "interpretation" or the phrase "out of context" what we hear is "spin". You're not putting the right "spin" on what is being said. It is also commonly called "Bullshit".
@Redo12able the devil is the evil guy and yet is more sane and less murderess then god, it's hard to argue for god when the one claimed to be evil is less evil
God says - "Don't kill , don't lie .." I was also wondering about the examples you give.Maybe the true is that the bible had a bad editor ,or what was write down,wasn't from God,but from Lucifer. I know God will not ask you to kill your oun child ,because he don't need a proove,he knows what everybody feels and think.Who can ask for murder, genocide,rape , ...only one.... ,but not him.I don't doubt God is good , God is love , but I doubt everything else,including the bible !
What have you been eating at the buffet buddy. Keep that shit to yourself not try to spread your atheism to these weak minded souls. You have no idea how much the Heavenly father cares, for you,he cares so much that he gave his child to save your eternal soul!!, something happened from teenage years to turn you against him,what was it an in-justified punishment? what makes you hate him so much, your lttle figure of the Sistine chapel is a mockery to the church there he holds you in his hands!:)
@goldenLUBE jesus said in his heart he that do not confess im lord shall persih for this reason he killes little baby and children in his heart for it is written the devil was a murder since the begaing you cant mix wrath with peace why lie its incompadible to maskarade in the lable as the prince of peace amagine a all white capet and a fried said he had good intention on keeping it white as snow but comes in with mud on his shoes for the lord is filled in voilence repent god is not god
Someday...someday...when mankind achieves the power of perpetualmotion energy, or transcending space and time....that will be the day when we can rise against god and overthrow his incompetent (if not corrupted) ass and humanity will take the throne as masters of the multiverse!
Quran is crap. 19% of the world are muslim and they are being deceived by the moon god allah. Allah is another satan. Anybody who worships allah is committing idolatry, and God hates that.
@MrAle6661000 "u misinterpret many things in the bible. that makes u much more stupid.u realize that"
Please, if you're able, show an example of misinterpretation. I've taught the bible for years and these readings are dead on. I don't know what bible you're referencing, but the one the rest of us use couldn't be plainer or simpler. So maybe a few examples to back up your assertions might keep us from disregarding you entirely.
@fdasherv sure, one subject, sacrifice.do u realize why god teach humans about sacrifice?.because without sacrifice, people do not know the meanings of value and appreciation.when u want to earn something, u hv to something to earn it.let me give u an easy example,say u want to succeed in something,u hv to sacrifice things like time or money then u can be successful.there are many things that god teaches us that u hv to think deep.
@MrAle6661000 "sure, one subject, sacrifice.do u realize why god teach humans about sacrifice?"
I asked for a specific example in the video, but let's take yours anyway: There are many examples of sacrifice in pre-biblical literature. Did god write those too? I'll answer for you: No. The bible was not "new" in it's day. It was a collection of stories and teachings known well before it's "events". Do you think humanity survived 100,000 years without having learned basic skills? Try again.
@fdasherv i agree that the bibile is not new.thats because it has been corrupted by jesus follower after he is long gone.People did it.Not god. The pre biblical times sacrifice are different because they doing it without true purpose.I really dont agree with u blaming god because all that mishaps and mayhem that happen because of the people itself.One more thing,u really think animal sacrifice is wrong?u dont eat meat do u?
@MrAle6661000 I'm sorry, you're a little too slow for me. I'm referring to personal sacrifice, as you were originally. And when I say pre-biblical, I mean way before Jesus. So, either grow up or learn to reason like an adult, because I can't waste my mental faculties on lost causes. Ciao for good.
@MrAle6661000 And atheists don't say we hate god do we? That's my point exactly. Thanks for making it for me. It's pretty illogical for you to assume we hate something we don't believe exists. You don't hate made up storybook characters you don't think exist, do you? Do you hate Voldemort or Sauron? I don't. Just like I don't hate Yahweh. (though his fans of the bronze age sound a bit too rowdy for my taste, committing genocide etc in the name of fandom) Like science, I believe EVIDENCE.
@MrAle6661000 You do realize actions cannot hate right? When you put a mug of cocoa in the microwave, the putting does not love or hate or fear. It just puts. It's right to mock the ridiculous. You provide no evidence of a heaven or god, yet you swear it's there. That's stupid. If I'm the first person who's mentioned that too you, too bad. You have as much evidence for god as for the Easter bunny. Prove me wrong.
@Enginmaster Is that so? then why do you really determine to prove me wrong?why do u say i am ridiculous? that is not hate.if u really dont hate god u should really keep to urself.not display your opinion to others.if i cant prove there is heaven or god, then can u prove the existence if this universe?
@MrAle6661000 "if i cant prove there is heaven or god" Indeed you can't, so it's ridiculous to believe in it.
"can u prove the existence if this universe?" I'll assume you meant of. The evidence for the universe is universal. It's everywhere. We've measured the laws of the universe quite easily. We know about the big bang BECAUSE of evidence.
"if u really dont hate god u should really keep to urself."
Absolutely wrong. You can't destroy my right to speech. It's not hateful to speak.
@MrAle6661000 I don't go around telling you to keep to yourself and stop talking about your god, do I? Then don't pretend I should keep to myself and not talk about my belief or lack thereof, in your imaginary friend's case. That's the thing. Science always DOES have more evidence for their ideas than for the Easter bunny. Your religion never does.
@MrAle6661000 Also I fear you are prone to confusing ideas with the person who presents them. I think your ideas are ridiculous. Did I say YOU are ridiculous? If I point out your idea is baseless and should be ridiculed, am I saying YOU are baseless and should be ridiculed? No. It is this mistaken presumption that leads many religious people to take things way to personally. Your imaginary friend is not you. And we're not really attacking it either, because we don't believe it exists.
@Enginmaster u dont answer the previous question my friend. u said that science have more evidence than my religion?that is where you are wrong.Science and religion are mutual.science explain the process created by God. If u dont think that God exist, maybe this videos shouldn't be exist either
@MrAle6661000 Since your religion has 0 evidence, then yes, science, which is BASED on evidence has more than your religion. "Science and religion are mutual." What does that even mean? Mutually what? Exclusive? yes. That means that evidence has NOTHING to do with your religion. Religion is the definition of faith: belief without evidence. There's no evidence of a god. You might as well worship the flying spaghettimonster (sauce be upon him) and his noodly appendages. Rahmen.
@MrAle6661000 Case in point, my computer uses electromagnetic theory 3.3 billion times per second. How many times did you see god today? Visually, auditorially, etc? In ways others could verify.
@Enginmaster Haha.from your statement i can see how much your atheist knowledge are. I'm sorry if i didnt tell you i am a muslim. if u say that religion is definition of belief without evidence, then please see the Holy Quran that explain the theory of creations and life. u only limit your minds by reading only the bible. try reading other holy books too.try to open your mind my friend
@MrAle6661000 Yeah, young earth creationism like the koran espouses is incorrect. Sorry. I should have said religion is a combination of delusion and faith, with one or two stray facts added in (even the Norse Eddas had some historical elements). The koran's been abrogated, as was mentioned in the Hadith, by Uthman. It contains words in the original version, due to the lack of dots or vowels that could have up to 30 meanings. It's as vague as nostradamus, yet still manages to be false.
@Enginmaster the Quran did not get abrogated my friend. the lacks of vowels and dots did not make it vague because its been handed down generation by memorization from the early prophet. Uthman only put the vowel and dots with the people who helps to memorize them. Compare to what religious books u refer (one or two stray facts u said?), Quran is all facts. If u dont trust me, u can check it out all by yourself.
@MrAle6661000 So does the Hadith lie all the time? I have heard from previous Muslim friends that one can ignore the Hadith like one ignores most of the Torah and bible, with their talking snake story. Uthman did NOT put dots and vowel sounds on the words. And in fact that meant the original editions did not have much solid meaning to the words. It's not much of a fact, if I use a word with 30 meanings. Quran is NOT all facts. I've checked it out. No embryologist would say bones come first.
@MrAle6661000 The thing is, the Hadith TELLS us the Quran is abrogated. And the original uthman texts show revisions in the faint erased copies which were over-written, with different orders of verses, different wording, etc. If it was so perfect the first time, why did they abrogate it so much? Why did its descriptions of the body so much more correspond with Galen's mistaken assumptions about the human body, rather than reality? Simple. It was written by man, not spirits. Not gods.
@Enginmaster Read this my friend.The hadith has 2 categories.Sahih(clear) and Dhaif(unclear). There is also a fake hadith(created mostly without solid proof and human made). The one u heard might be dhaif. can u tell me what hadith is that?(please i really want to know).People can ignore fake hadith cause it can lead to misinterpretation(like this video does). About the human creation, the bones comes first in the times of Prophet Adam.
@MrAle6661000 The bones do not come first. Sorry. It's impossible for a fetus to develop bones first, then the flesh. It's the opposite. And an embryo never looks like a clot, though Galen, the ancient physician thought that this was how people came to be, literally seeds being implanted in the blood of the mother, which turned out to be false once science looked at it. The belief that there WAS an Adam and Eve such a short time ago is directly refuted by the modern genetic studies.
@MrAle6661000 But you can't ask us to consider the Quran as evidence of anything, but then ask us to ignore the parts of the Quran that are in fact false. The Quran itself says if there's any errors, then this book isn't the word of Allah. So by its own definition, it is NOT the word of Allah. How, for instance does Solomon "listen to ants talking" when we know now that ants don't use sound to communicate? They use chemicals. It sounds awfully like a child's cartoon. It was (but no pictures)
@Enginmaster I told you already my friend. Read the whole book before making any BRILLIANT assumption. Did you really read the statement from Quran that writes about the creation of man from Surah AL-Mukminun ?. The bones comes first is actually a creation from the first women which is Hawa( or western people call it Eve). It is understandable that u don't understand the concept of mukjizat(special abilities) in the Quran because you are born with the faith of logic.
@MrAle6661000 Dude, the rest of the Quran isn't going to say "yeah, sorry, just kidding about the embryo. That was a stupid thing to say" Even if it were smart enough to say that, it would, by its own definition, have demonstrated that the book is no word of Allah (as if anybody really believed it was). It doesn't mention Hawa in that whole chapter. It repeats Galen's stupid claim that sperm forms a blood clot turning into bones then flesh. Hawa wasn't that, you'll agree.
@Enginmaster The story of Hawa and the creation in the Quran are in the different Verse my friend. Let me tell u one thing, if Quran was not really the word of Allah then how come there are a Verse in the Quran that stated about the creature with two legs( there are no two legged creature in the Arab mainland at that time). Don't say that the Prophet travel travel to other places because he never went out of the Arab mainland.
@MrAle6661000 "The story of Hawa and the creation in the Quran are in the different Verse " Exactly my point. The chapter I quote was clearly talking about REproduction. Not initial production. It starts with man's seed and a blood clot from the woman (just like Galen) and then how it develops into bones first, then flesh. And that's completely wrong. The Quran is incorrect. It, by its own rules, is therefore NOT the word of Allah. It is completely man-made, like all religious texts.
@Enginmaster You have mistakenly interpret the Quran my friend.And u have missed one thing. Do you realize the word mudghah(chewed meat but scientifically called the somites cells) in the Quran? u did not do you?.and u haven't answer my question?if it is really a man then why Quran can stated the existence of two legged creature(like kangaroo)? because at that times Australia has not been officially discovered
@MrAle6661000 What does... "one of the ants said: 'O ye ants, get into your habitations,lest(king)(prophet) Sulaiman (alaihisalam) and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it.'"
*really mean? Please educate me. I humbly ask for your enlightenment. Your book did not say if there are slightly more impressive facts than false ones, this book is still Allah's word, it said if there's one error, it is not. And are there other bipeds? Yes. Muhamed knew about ostriches.
@Enginmaster Yes i will explain it to you. It stated about the story of Prophet Sulaiman and his armies marching through the valley of the ants to go to the Saba kingdom.One of the ants warn the others to return back to their habitat in order to not to get crush. looking at the ants for an examplle, Prophet Sulaiman cancelled his intention to attack kingdom of Saba.This story symbolize the meaning of peace and how value human lives is
@MrAle6661000 So was it just a story, and made up, and therefore not true? Or did he really hear ants talking, which we know is impossible, because ants don't communicate with sound, but with chemical trails?
@MrAle6661000 "but what if its true?" It's not. We've studied ants. They have no voices. They can't even sense vibration through the air very much. They can only hear through ground vibration. It's not up for debate. So you're saying the Quran MEANT to get that wrong? Or was it not meant to be taken literally? Or, third option, it wasn't actually spoken by an omnicient being, at least not an honest one. I'm not sure if Allah's been known to lie, but his Yahweh predecessor did from page1.
If Prophet Muhammad knew about ostriches,ok then.But, he is illiterate, how does he knew how to write the Quran that is beatifully written like a poetry.
@MrAle6661000 Well if my memory serves me correctly, Muhammad didn't write it down. He simply spoke it, and his followers wrote it down. It wasn't even delivered to him written, but verbally. We know many illiterate people today that are very good at speaking poetry. Hiphop music is full of them. Though usually after they get enough money from their first albums, they seek private tutors so they can start to read and write well. Homer never wrote anything, but spoke epic poems.
@MrAle6661000 Dude, what's to know? If you've heard another person speak it once, you can repeat the pattern. 50 cent didn't get any "training" to rhyme or rhythm. He just knew it. If your only claim to the divinity of a work is that "wow, it has nice poetic style" then I'm afraid I'm unconvinced. There's really no unbiased historical reference to Muhammad that would lead me to believe him unable to, within his lifetime, learn poetic ability. Anyone can.
@Enginmaster Haha.What had you stated now is what you are standing up against to my friend which is 'believe without evidence".U realize that do you?another assumption of yours
@MrAle6661000 No assumption. I've heard from dozens of very well educated sounding Muslims, and not one has provided evidence FOR Allah's existence. In fact, their attempts usually expose things like the embryo fallacy, or talking ants. Which we've established prove that the Quran is written only by humans, according to the Quran (unless you think that only the one verse that says every word has to be true is the one not written by Allah is untrue, in which case it's a paradox)
@MrAle6661000 "you are born with the faith of logic." I'm not sure if you fully understand the English word "faith" or "logic" if you think that. Faith is belief without evidence or rationality. Logic is rationality, which generally needs evidence or complete proof. They're mutually exclusive. The only religions that aren't completely illogical are the ones that tell you to explore knowledge yourself, rather than putting forth dogmatic and falsified ideas. I used Al-Müminün the Quran 23.
@Enginmaster I think u got it all wrong my friend.Faith is something that u believe in something or someone because you trusted it.its never been about evidence or rationality.for example(simple one), u have faith in your family,friends,lovers.U really need evidence or rationality.No,because they are your close ones.u trust them with all your heart. Who says Islam doe not encourage people to explore knowledge on their own.Look at all the Islamic alchemist 16th to 17th century
@MrAle6661000 Faith in the English language, with respect to religion, is belief without evidence. There's no faith in logic. There's no logic in faith. They're exclusive. This is why when something doesn't make sense, a person will try to assure you "you just have to have faith". (which is, of course, very stupid) If something doesn't make sense logically, you should view it with complete skepticism. I know there are muslims who DID explore, but after fundamentalism, the spirit died.
@Enginmaster of course there is logic in faith.can't you think?You see,faith is not only something that u people only consider supernatural.It is something that considers our daily lives.U know what? people who are skeptics (like what u said) mostly people who always give up easily especially in life because they do not have faith
@MrAle6661000 There's zero logic in faith. Faith is believing regardless of what logic tells you. Faith is believing that if you pray over a piece of bread, it turns into Jesus flesh, which is an actual Catholic belief. Logic tells you the exact opposite. That a cracker remains a cracker no matter what word you utter over it. Skeptics are people like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, dude. They didn't give up. They just went where evidence took them. That's being science-minded. Skeptical.
@Enginmaster are u sure there are zero logic in faith? then what about your daily lives?U only accept the narrow definition of faith but not the wider definition of it. Did u even need evidence and being skeptics when it comes to your family and loved ones?
@MrAle6661000 My daily life requires at least a low level evidence for anything I truly need to believe. It's actually quite nice to live without faith. You don't get disappointed so much. I accept various definitions of faith in various contexts. When someone says they're negociating in good faith, in other words honestly, then I'll take it to mean honestly. But that definition isn't what people refer to for heaven for instance. That's the narrow, belief without evidence definition.
@Enginmaster I can understand that somehow. It is because of your backgroung you become an atheist.Atheism exist because of the disapointment towards religion because of its limits on the knowledge of this universe. But Islam is not like that.Furthermore, Islam teaches a man about patience.Disappointment is only a way God test us.Besides, if its true i didnt get anything from my amal(my charity) its not like i am going to lose anything
@MrAle6661000 Atheism is a natural state. All babies are born atheist. If nobody mentions a god to them or tries to get them to believe in one by the time they're grown, they tend never to believe. Only brainwashed children grow up to believe without any evidence. And indeed, with respect to Thor, the only reason you don't believe is your parents didn't teach you him. Norse children used to know him well. The knowledge of the universe has already surpassed any religious text, and has no limit.
@MrAle6661000 I do find Islam's afterlife a bit more respectable than the Christian one, but not as good as the Hindu or Judaic or even Norse versions. I've always reassured my evangelical friend if he gets too worried about me that if there's anyone who'd send me to eternal torment for simply not believing, he's not worth a tenth the worship he asks for. (didn't really reassure him I fear) But that being said, the laws of the Earth for Islam are a bit intolerable, like for apostasy.
@MrAle6661000 I fortunately don't need any faith for my loved ones. I have copious evidence of them and our good times together. Do I have 100% proof? 100% proof only exists in mathematics. But I have evidence of their love. When I was a baby, perhaps I had faith. But that is evolution. Kids genetically were selected who listened to their parents when they said "don't touch that snake". But even babies don't have much faith, crying if a person leaves, not believing they'll come back.
if u read the whole process that was stated in the Holy Quran. u can see the accuracies like modern science does. And can u tell me which hadith says that Quran is abrogated?
@MrAle6661000 Taking the Quran's word about the Quran is obviously ridiculous. And what is the Hadith? Is it just rubbish? Do you choose to ignore it completely? Even has its own word for abrogation "naskh" Why have such a word for nothing? Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 33, 34 53, 54, 68, and 69; Sahih Muslim Book1, Number 228, book 3, Number 675, book 4 numbers 1317, 1233, and 1433, and book 43, number 7173. The list goes on. Sunan Abu Dawud, Malik's Muwatta, etc show it.
@Enginmaster u cannot make a conclusion by just reading one hadith. The unclear hadith is a hadith that cannot stand alone and must use other hadith to define the real story behind it.u must read the previous and next ones. For eg:Sahih Bukhari Volume 6,Book 60 Number 33. It actually connected from number 31 until number 34. Then from that u can understand the whole story.it is like computer too.u cannot make it functional if u only have a CPU.u must have other computer equipments too.
@MrAle6661000 Did you...forget to read my message? I gave you the name of 4 different hadiths. Not just one. All of them contain stories of abrogation of the Quran. And still others could I also list. There aren't that many hadiths that claim throughout that nobody ever abrogated the Quran. You're not denying 53, 54, 68, or 69, are you?
Frankly, I don't see anything in the context, re-reading it, that overturns those abrogations mentioned in my references. Read your own books for once.
@Enginmaster U give me 4 hadith right?but i told u example of one them.These hadith, they are all the same. They are unclear and u have to read the previous and the next ones to fully understands the whole situations.(u make me repeat the same thing again).U gave me 4 different hadith with different issues but u only read the fragment,Not the whole story.
@MrAle6661000 The hadith are NOT all the same. Sorry. I'm surprised as a Muslim you don't know that. Did you never read them? I read the whole story of one from each, and they are not subtle about what happened. The Quran isn't as it was originally. It was rewritten. You know it, all the eminent scholars of the Quran quietly admit it, but claim that the original intent is still preserved, which is impossible to know, because Uthman had all the other Qurans burned or written over.
@Enginmaster U misunderstand what i am trying to say my friend. Of course the hadith is not the same.It has a different stories or issues.The one u gave me is an unclear ones.U need to read the previous ones and the next ones.U cannot fully understand it if u only read one hadith because this type of hadith need support from other hadith.like a computer parts.(how many times do i have to explain this to you?)
@MrAle6661000 You don't need another hadith to say whether the one hadith was right about the Quran abrogation. All you need is the original Uthman Quran. And they have it. And it has abrogation ON it. You see the previous erased order of verses, wording, etc. It's different now. It should be no surprise to you, though. There are numerous stories of the time speaking of abrogation. You wouldn't have an arabic word for it in the Hadiths unless it was. It's ok, every religion is bunk.
U said the Quran was not original?let me tell you one thing.The original Quran is not originally written. It was being memorize and passed down through generations until Uthman made it a book and put vowels and dots according to the people who memorize them.(it is not being rewritten like what u said).Where did u get this nonsense information anyway?
@MrAle6661000 The Uthman one isn't even the first WRITTEN version. Otherwise there would be no story of him recalling the Qurans of other people around his kingdom to be revised, printed, and burn the old copies. I know it wasn't originally written. That's why it has stuff that needed editing. But it was written by humans and inspired ONLY by humans. That's why it says ANTS can TALK. No divine word would be that stupid, with all due respect. So by your book's word, your book isn't Allah's
@Enginmaster the Uthmans is the ONLY written version that existed. Besides, we are not like the Jews or Christians that are with pleasure changing the contents of Quran. We muslims are loyal to its original content. Besides, the Quran only being made as a book in the times of Khalifah Uthman bin Affan. Not in the Prophet Muhammad times
@MrAle6661000 "Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt." There were other versions, whether in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies." Small excerpt from the end of Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 510, pp. 478-479; book 61. Now I understand that's more a Sunni Hadith, perhaps not a Shia one, but do you disagree with it?
Actually this is not abrogation. let me tell u the concept of rukhsah(lightness in doing your Islamic obligation).for eg:one hadith(that i mention previously) it told us about the obligation of fasting.But some people can discharge if the obligation can effect their health.
@MrAle6661000 69: "A man from the companions of Allah's Apostle who I think, was Ibn 'Umar said, "The Verse:--"Whether you show what is in your minds or conceal it...." was abrogated by the Verse following it." "
That's not referring to someone doing something. That's a re-write. It is abrogation. That's why they used that word. Plus, you're saying "this is not abrogation" without referring to which of the dozen cases I give you. You do need to point out each verse.
@MrAle6661000 *facepalm* Okay then, show me a translation that IS the complete one. It's quite impossible that given this many centuries, nobody has tried to translate the complete Sahih Bukhari. But frankly, I count the numbers, and I don't see any gaps. And you did not react in a way to have me believe my translation was misnumbered. So it's the same amount of writing. You're getting less and less and LESS specific in what you find wrong with the fact your Hadiths describe Quran abrogation.
@MrAle6661000 No, seriously. The verses I mention specifically go out to document specific abrogations to the Quran. It's quite explicit. And the Uthman texts verify what the Hadith said, by showing cases where certain versions were erased and rewritten differently. It's ok. Even if it had a perfect copy including the vowels and dots the first time in the exact same order as Muhammad said, describing talking ants...ants still don't talk.
@Enginmaster let tell you one thing.One of Islam concept is flexibility.It is a concept of adapting to the surroundings and age.some laws are applicable through ages and some can be change due to the surroundings and circumstances especially if something that forces it to change.IT is called rukhsah like what i said earlier
@MrAle6661000 Okay, but why couldn't an omnicient being make a set of laws that applied...at all times? Would the ancients have been hurt greatly if nobody were executed for apostasy?
@Enginmaster Actually about apostasy.Its about this, although a person have declare himself out of Islam, execution is not the main option. Persuasion will be done even though it will take years or decades. Besides, execution is the last thing that will be done if the person is CLEARLY not only out but against Islam
@MrAle6661000 "execution is not the main option" It shouldn't be ANY option. If you think that to just try to persuade him for years, THEN kill is any less of a cult way of dealing with the issue, you're a bit mistaken. That's a cult. You should NEVER kill someone for not believing in your fairytale. Enough said. That's probably the one most inexcusable item in all Islam. If you had a real god (one that was actually able to fend for himself) you'd not need to commit atrocities for him.
@Enginmaster It is not because they do not BELIEVE my friend. It is because they have THREATENED us. This kind of people always try to deprave Islam although we did not even kill them. Is it so good deprave others who had nothing against you?besides,many people that declare apostasy still alive until today.There's not even a single of them get executed.It is not so bad embracing Islam, its not like its make your life much worse. u only like to read bad things about Islam
@MrAle6661000 "It is not because they do not BELIEVE my friend."
If you check Shariah, you'll be contradicted there. It's because they stopped believing. If your god is "threatened" by someone stopping their retarded belief in him, he's the weakest darn god I've seen in all of fiction. If YOU are "threatened" because they don't believe in your imaginary friend, you need to grow UP. "many people that declare apostasy still alive until today." ROFL! Really, that's your rebuttal?
@MrAle6661000 Apostates have not THREATENED you, retard. There is no situation in which you could say apostasy THREATENS you. It's not depraving people to stop believing. It's not hurting anyone to criticize your bullshit. (look at me. Am I HURTING you?) "besides,many people that declare apostasy still alive until today." Yeah, and a lot of democratic protesters in China are just WAITING to die, rather than already dead. Doesn't change the fact you condone such crimes against humanity.
@Enginmaster Hahaha. look at you. Where are your manners my friend? still thinking you people are the smartest one on this planet. But you insult others, thinking that you and your idea is the best and others are just garbage. Do you know harmony and most importantly, SENSITIVITY?it is where you give respect to others by not crossing the boundaries. You need to take care of other people feelings too u know,
@MrAle6661000 I was quite courteous I thought, in pointing out the cartoonishly stupid book you follow. Why do you believe in talking ants, literal ladders to heaven, and that the bones of an embryo form first (which is a clear ripoff of the incorrect hypothesis Galen had)? And you claim a perfect book? There is only one word to describe believing all those things. Idiotic. Read your own book, and realize it prescribes throwing itself away now that you know it can't be Allah's word.
@Enginmaster i have told you before. not everything in this world can be explain through logic. if they could, then right now we might have overcome things such as death. and i also told you before somites cells right? the problem is you who always deny everything
@MrAle6661000 If you can't find a logical explanation of how apostates "hurt" you, you're a moron to support it and should reject that point of the Hadith as the bullshit that it is. Also the point is, your book said if something was proven false by logic, you have to reject the whole book as not being of Allah. So I do. I'm a better muslim for you, because I do what it said. I don't "deny everything" But for things that are disproved I definitely deny those. Rightfully so.
@MrAle6661000 I mean are you claiming your religion or ANY religion of the abrahamic faiths has earned my respect? my "sensitivity"? No. Adults with imaginary friends should have it pointed out that their beliefs are childish.
Now tell me. What has an apostate ever THREATENED you with..simply by not believing anymore?
@Enginmaster it is not the porblem that they do not believe my friend.it is the problem when they try to force other people who believe in God to to being a disbeliever. Look what happened in some country, they try to make religious outfit illegal, and you said that you protect democracy.how HYPOCRITES are u people
@MrAle6661000 There was no evidence ANY of those people put to death "FORCED" others to not believe. You're absolutely retarded if you think it's even humanly possible for a minority viewpoint not backed by actual...force to force someone into disbelief. How can you believe such crap? If others disbelieve because they see the logic of those who left before, that's the Quran's fault, not theirs. A real divine book would have been convincing enough to overcome ANY counterargument.
@MrAle6661000 I live in America, where freedom is true. No hypocrisy, and certainly no allowances for the CULT practice of murdering those who can't believe the quranic tripe anymore. Women's "dignity" is not supported by throwing sulfuric acid in their faces for the act of learning to read and write. So fuck your assertion. Islam has a definite denigrating women track record. Not surprising with a book that counts them as only half a human.
@MrAle6661000 "it is the problem when they try to force other people who believe in God to to being a disbeliever."
Seriously, show me the last time a Muslim was forced into apostasy by an apostate in a Muslim country. FORCED. It doesn't happen. Death for apostasy is just a way of keeping the brainwashed masses from admitting when they've realized how dumb the faith is. If I were in Saudi Arabia, I'd know how stupid it was, but I'd still have to pretend. It's a facade.
@MrAle6661000 If ONE person dies for apostasy, your religion has too much blood on its hands to be justified. Enough said. How the heck could you even try to justify that? Are you really the bloodthirsty monsters that right wing idiots paint you to be? I was pretty sure you weren't...but you're defending this barbaric practice. Using zero logic. Sounds pretty monstrous. ww w.thenewamerican. com/world-mainmenu- 26/asia-mainmenu- 33/ 9613-pastors- fate-rests-in- the-hands-of- irans-ayatollah
Also according to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights at least one juvenile in Saudi Arabia was executed for apostasy. People keep it well hidden, because all you technically have to do is pretend you believe in the magic ladder ride, etc. that the illiterate desert general went on. It's a damn cult though, if they can convict you of thought crimes like that.
@MrAle6661000 Imagine if science said "Okay, you can stop believing that dinosaurs were killed by an asteroid. We'll try to convince you otherwise for a few years. Then you DIE!" Would anyone take science as seriously as they do? no. It would be a laughable cartoonish cult, like Islam. Fortunately, science works on evidence, not faith, like your religion. This is why it actually does things for those who use it, rather than just getting people to abuse women, and retard education.
@Enginmaster We dont abuse women FYI.Those things that you saw on the news or anywhere, is happen because of their culture.Islam protects the dignity of a women. You people much worse, you exploit it in front of the world.
@MrAle6661000 Did I even mention women? No. But yes, shariah law in practice severely abuses them. In Iran, it means if a woman is alone in the streets, she's beaten and arrested. And while a virgin can't be executed there, the soldiers are allowed to rape first, then execute her. Yeah, such dignity. We let women do what they want. Enough said.
@Enginmaster yes u mention women my friend ( U said on your text before.cant you see?u r not a good liar). u listening to false stories my friend. people take care womens dignity . It is one of our laws. u made the above statement based on your assumption. not facts right?
@MrAle6661000 I posted the link with regard to the beatings in somalia because you were mistaken and thought that nobody ever enforces the death for apostasy measure. That's obviously false. Many cases in the past decade alone. It's alive and well, and death for apostasy? It's the number one sign that you're part of a cult of idiocy. "You MUST believe the tripe FOREVER, REGARDLESS of evidence, or we KILL you!" Such stupidity. How can you respect yourself after believing that?
@Enginmaster i admit there are some countries that practice extreme muslim teachings. but, what is the wrong embracing Islam?because we pray, or because we make welfare as one of our obligation?(not like you atheists who only think about yourself
@MrAle6661000 You've just demonstrated the wrong with embracing Islam. It kills apostates, it believes women are only half a person, it believes in restricting free speech globally, it has a flawed book which TELLS you to reject it if it's flawed. All perfect reasons to abandon such a stupid idea. I can embrace Muslims, but not Islam. I do not hate you, but your imaginary friend is an utter prick.
@MrAle6661000 Also, really? Atheists only think of themselves? Ever heard of Bill Gates? The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation? One of the biggest charities on Earth? With his pledge to spend almost all his money before he dies on charity? Yeah, you can just cross that off your list of misconceptions about atheists. We think of other humans more, because we think of your imaginary afterlife less. We don't believe it's good to spend energy killing gays. We help people.
hebrews were pagan worshippers, YHWH is a pagan semitic deity, proof is wide. there was a pantheon of gods among which Yhwh is one, EL, molech, Baal, Astarthe and more. Ritual murder and genocide have been commited and still today by jews who conceal the true nature of their cult, evil, supremacist cruel violent. Thousands of testimonies along middle ages in Europe of jewish ritual murder of christians to their god. God of cristians is not god of jews, Jews hate cristianity and Jesus .OT not NT
The babies would grow up to be like their parents. Take the example of the Amalikites.
Moses killed the wicked ones among them whether or not they were family or friends. Sin spreads like a disease and once again God kills some in his right judgment to spare some in his mercy.
@j919or the babies would be like there their parents??? that is bullshit, your apologetics needs a SEVERE apology so poor is it...I thought God was punishing the Caananites etc for killing babies, then he orders his people to kill babies...hmmmm...
The sweet aroma was God knowing that people were obeying and repenting leading to mercy. If the sacrifice was beans then the smell of beans would be a sweet aroma.
@alice10160 ""bible quotes that they were sacrifice ""
Yes there were animal sacrifices and that system was designed to be merely a shadow of what was to come, namely God sacrificing his soul and life to absorb our evil in Himself and defeat it. But only those that admit that they are evil and that that evil is destruction, will be with God and have eternal life and all joy.
We all are evil. Those that admit it and entrust themselves to God find the remedy while others that remain in denial produce a bumper crop of evil. We were made for a purpose and atheists reject that purpose and resist and fight that purpose. How much more evil can yall be?
@alice10160 ""They don't believe cause of no proof""
Atheists spend their lives denying the truth that is all around them. God made us. This universe is extremely complex and fine tuned yet you say that compexity/order just happens without information and a machine to harness that information. The 2nd law shows that energy either reaching equilibrium or destroys complexity unless harnessed. This is obviuous. I pity you ALice for what u have allowed urself to become...the spawn of hell.
God absorbed evil in Himself and His soul was poured out in the process. This is a great sacrifice of infinite level. But since your arrogance is peaking u cant see it and will regret ur own wilfull blindness for eternity.
@j919or YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE, PEOPLE ARE TAKING THE BIBLE OUT OF CONCEPT HE KILLED 3,000 PEOPLE IN CAMP THEY INTERMINGLED WITH PEOPLE THAT WERE EVIL G-D TRIED TO KEEP THESE PEOPLE PURE. THEY SLAP G-D IN THE FACE. THE REVELATION THIS GUY IS TALKING ABOUT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T TURN FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS DEVIL & WORSHIP HE ISN'T MENTIONING THESE NUMEROUS THINGS. IT'S PURE BLASPHEMY!.LETTERS=)I TOTALLY AGREE WIT YOU ON THIS. PEOPLE WILL NEVER GET IT.
@NAVYWIFEONE And I praise God for the work tht he is doing in both u and ur husband. My prayer is that u will thank God for that work every day and tell ur husband often that you thank God for the beautiful work that He is doing in ur husband.
@alice10160 "HIS UNIVERSE HIS RULES" Also its not like people who do believe in god AND does bad gets to go the heaven stright away. They have to burn FOR A WHILE ONLY but if you truely repent you and not repeat that action you DON'T BURN AT ALL. While anyone who does'nt believe in him BURNS FOREVER. The reason why the athiests burns is that had they lived forever they would have went on denying god. Anyway being religious to avoid burning is a good choice. Athiests are bad they need to be saved
Love this vid, but I think that it just proves that the writers of this bull crap are weird and wrote it to base laws of the land on. I think when god first saw what was it the bible, he shit his pants in disbelief. I believe in God, but don't belive in that piece of crap people call the bible.
most of what God says or Jesus is metaforical and God killed or made ppl suffer because they had done a huge amount of evil things about atleast so far from until right now 10 or 20times more than God himself!
nuthiang 2 days ago
i find true christians don't stone people because of their religion and forgive all no matter what!
nuthiang 2 days ago
no one understands or gets it overall
nuthiang 2 days ago
@TheBestlaidschemes I gave you a solid simple question and you didnt even come close to answering it. The fact that you couldnt proves you are in denial or just a idoit. Foolishness is a person who dont want to admit their wrong but knows they are like you. You dont want to answer cause you know your false ''loving'' god done every evil a person can think of.
eliteknowledge 1 week ago
faith the ablity to steal anothers status did god steal gods glory for no one can be god for god is death can a person go left and right at the same time no one can be everywhere do everything this equals death god is the forbbiden fruit no one can be god the day you be god you will surly die once they relize gods imataing will he be loved he already went outside the boundys of a good god for we found him in places he did not belong places god gods do not go
MrYugi15able 1 week ago
god came short of the glory of god no one can do everything are be everything its impossible god is death
MrYugi15able 1 week ago
proof these being are lying that there not god if satan was the father of evil he would have done all evil that exist has he raped you stole from you no so how is he the father hah now for god god is the father of good has god ever saved poor children has he never missed a single good mark so how can he say hes the father of good hah theres a lot of angry customers and the custermers are always right always these are frauds no one can be god
MrYugi15able 1 week ago
The Bible is written all wrong, according to the Bible God seems tho probably be possessed by evilness, watch 1onetheone he will save you.
Retardday1 2 weeks ago
JESUS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT TELLS HIS FOLLOWERS TO HAVE SEX WITH 3YR OLD GIRLS DISCUSTING SIK BASTARD
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YAAQUBEL 3 weeks ago
King James Version - Isaiah 55: 7-9:
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD (Yahweh of spiritual hosts), and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD (Yahweh of spiritual hosts).
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
TheBestlaidschemes 3 weeks ago
@TheBestlaidschemes pride is the sin from which all others arise and is a deadly sin for god is a splinder the only one with the truth why are we born then
MrYugi15able 1 week ago
2 Kings 6:33 ''Behold, this evil is of the Lord.''
The Bible even tells us god does evil things, how can he be good?
eliteknowledge 1 month ago
@eliteknowledge Proverbs 22: 15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."
TheBestlaidschemes 3 weeks ago
6:14 Can any of you Christains give a answer to this question? if not then you are evil your self or your so in denial that it made you retarded. So which is it pick one or answer the question.
eliteknowledge 1 month ago
@eliteknowledge here is the hidden mystory of god there not god there gods all the angles and us as well the creater was the tree of life and the tree of knowlege he created gray aliens god was a alien and said i will rise my trown beyound the stars of god i will be as the most high god wanted to be as his creater no gods imatating by this i fished all my work its done who is forever guessing satan was really god the story is important it shows how jehova feel from heaven the gray alien
MrYugi15able 1 week ago
@eliteknowledge god was the tree of life and the tree of knowege god was love so he created two trees cause in the day they eat god they would die cause hes beyound all understanding but out of love he made the tree of life that any one that eat him come to repentence for no one can be the most high put god to the test and your see sin cant stand in the presence of god cause god is not really god and god is the sin for sin cant stand in our presence thou said you was god and god is good
MrYugi15able 1 week ago
@Redo12able 5:06 ''thats why god will send them a powerful delusion so they will believe a lie''. Your god made all you Christians believe a lie that he was good and you all believed believed him. When will you Christians all learn that ''Satan'' is the male god aka the FATHER of all lies and hes the one who designed the Bible. The Gnostics knew this along time ago and the Free Mason know the same thing, in fact they laugh at you Christians cause you all worship ''Satan'' and dont even know it.
eliteknowledge 1 month ago
@TheSolitaryTraveller To each his own. I seldom make comments on YouTube in response to nonbelievers. Unlike many evangelists, I'm not overly concerned about who believes in God and who doesn't. I'm helped a few people along the way, and have run into strong resistance with others. Win some, lose some. The way life is. I appreciate that you were not obscene while addressing me. Take care.
Redo12able 1 month ago
@TheReliquarian It appears that you are the one saying that what Hitler did (in the right light) could be considered a good thing, and further telling me what I said. I said no such thing. Context means context and interpretation means interpretation. One can interpret the last page of "The Grapes of Wrath" two different ways. To make context mean spin and bullshit is to put your own interpretation on them, so you are as gulity as you say I am. Decide for yourself, that's fair and no spin.
Redo12able 1 month ago
People like this chap often resort to the worst possible caricatures to defame the OT. For a more balanced education read Paul Copan's, "Is God a Moral Monster?" All of these misrepresentations are addressed in a more scholary examination. Yes, there are many troubling passages, but don't swallow this one-sided presentation. Remember: Every coin has two sides.
Redo12able 1 month ago
@Redo12able So what you're saying is in the right light what Hitler did could be considered a good thing?
What you're talking about is a twist on Hermeneutics, learning how to read something to reach a conclusion you like better than what is obviously stated.
Sorry, but when reasonable people hear the words "interpretation" or the phrase "out of context" what we hear is "spin". You're not putting the right "spin" on what is being said. It is also commonly called "Bullshit".
TheReliquarian 1 month ago
@Redo12able the devil is the evil guy and yet is more sane and less murderess then god, it's hard to argue for god when the one claimed to be evil is less evil
TheSolitaryTraveller 1 month ago
@Redo12able True, every coin has two sides. Hitler was a vegetarian, painter, and loved his dogs. Should I use that to justify his acts?
gumbor08 3 weeks ago
evil or not, important.........you are a good person ^_^
franciseric007 2 months ago
Thank you for this. I plan to ask my religious friends to include it in their Bible study classes
akanippy 2 months ago
God says - "Don't kill , don't lie .." I was also wondering about the examples you give.Maybe the true is that the bible had a bad editor ,or what was write down,wasn't from God,but from Lucifer. I know God will not ask you to kill your oun child ,because he don't need a proove,he knows what everybody feels and think.Who can ask for murder, genocide,rape , ...only one.... ,but not him.I don't doubt God is good , God is love , but I doubt everything else,including the bible !
bahamadiah 3 months ago
Well done. Big like ! 12 dislikes are for people that refuse to actually use logic and reason or they are bat shit crazy.
anotherchavez 3 months ago
sacrifice animals, is that why islam wants only halal meat,? ..........retarded!
Narftaxaku200 3 months ago
What have you been eating at the buffet buddy. Keep that shit to yourself not try to spread your atheism to these weak minded souls. You have no idea how much the Heavenly father cares, for you,he cares so much that he gave his child to save your eternal soul!!, something happened from teenage years to turn you against him,what was it an in-justified punishment? what makes you hate him so much, your lttle figure of the Sistine chapel is a mockery to the church there he holds you in his hands!:)
goldenLUBE 3 months ago
@goldenLUBE jesus said in his heart he that do not confess im lord shall persih for this reason he killes little baby and children in his heart for it is written the devil was a murder since the begaing you cant mix wrath with peace why lie its incompadible to maskarade in the lable as the prince of peace amagine a all white capet and a fried said he had good intention on keeping it white as snow but comes in with mud on his shoes for the lord is filled in voilence repent god is not god
MrYugi15able 1 week ago
Killing an animal doesn't count as murder dumb fuck
moomen100 3 months ago
Someday...someday...when mankind achieves the power of perpetualmotion energy, or transcending space and time....that will be the day when we can rise against god and overthrow his incompetent (if not corrupted) ass and humanity will take the throne as masters of the multiverse!
helljumpr5150 3 months ago
@helljumpr5150 Jesus is a Mind Parasite that works for the Central BANKS
warpowers1861 3 months ago
Quran is crap. 19% of the world are muslim and they are being deceived by the moon god allah. Allah is another satan. Anybody who worships allah is committing idolatry, and God hates that.
jimmys47 4 months ago
u misinterpret many things in the bible. that makes u much more stupid.u realize that
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 "u misinterpret many things in the bible. that makes u much more stupid.u realize that"
Please, if you're able, show an example of misinterpretation. I've taught the bible for years and these readings are dead on. I don't know what bible you're referencing, but the one the rest of us use couldn't be plainer or simpler. So maybe a few examples to back up your assertions might keep us from disregarding you entirely.
fdasherv 4 months ago
@fdasherv sure, one subject, sacrifice.do u realize why god teach humans about sacrifice?.because without sacrifice, people do not know the meanings of value and appreciation.when u want to earn something, u hv to something to earn it.let me give u an easy example,say u want to succeed in something,u hv to sacrifice things like time or money then u can be successful.there are many things that god teaches us that u hv to think deep.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 "sure, one subject, sacrifice.do u realize why god teach humans about sacrifice?"
I asked for a specific example in the video, but let's take yours anyway: There are many examples of sacrifice in pre-biblical literature. Did god write those too? I'll answer for you: No. The bible was not "new" in it's day. It was a collection of stories and teachings known well before it's "events". Do you think humanity survived 100,000 years without having learned basic skills? Try again.
fdasherv 4 months ago
@fdasherv i agree that the bibile is not new.thats because it has been corrupted by jesus follower after he is long gone.People did it.Not god. The pre biblical times sacrifice are different because they doing it without true purpose.I really dont agree with u blaming god because all that mishaps and mayhem that happen because of the people itself.One more thing,u really think animal sacrifice is wrong?u dont eat meat do u?
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 I'm sorry, you're a little too slow for me. I'm referring to personal sacrifice, as you were originally. And when I say pre-biblical, I mean way before Jesus. So, either grow up or learn to reason like an adult, because I can't waste my mental faculties on lost causes. Ciao for good.
fdasherv 4 months ago
@fdasherv i think i better be slow than being lost like u. at least i have faith. tell me why do u hate ur god so much?
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 "at least i have faith." Substituting definition
"At least I believe what I'm told without any evidence.
"tell me why do u hate ur god so much?"
Tell me why do you hate the flying spaghettimonster so much? Why do you hate Thor so much?
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster i didnt say i hate Thor. Did i say it? u people are smart people.so smart that u even believe human come from apes.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 And atheists don't say we hate god do we? That's my point exactly. Thanks for making it for me. It's pretty illogical for you to assume we hate something we don't believe exists. You don't hate made up storybook characters you don't think exist, do you? Do you hate Voldemort or Sauron? I don't. Just like I don't hate Yahweh. (though his fans of the bronze age sound a bit too rowdy for my taste, committing genocide etc in the name of fandom) Like science, I believe EVIDENCE.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster u don't hate god but your actions do.spreading your denial and mock people who believe in god.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 You do realize actions cannot hate right? When you put a mug of cocoa in the microwave, the putting does not love or hate or fear. It just puts. It's right to mock the ridiculous. You provide no evidence of a heaven or god, yet you swear it's there. That's stupid. If I'm the first person who's mentioned that too you, too bad. You have as much evidence for god as for the Easter bunny. Prove me wrong.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster Is that so? then why do you really determine to prove me wrong?why do u say i am ridiculous? that is not hate.if u really dont hate god u should really keep to urself.not display your opinion to others.if i cant prove there is heaven or god, then can u prove the existence if this universe?
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
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@MrAle6661000 "if i cant prove there is heaven or god" Indeed you can't, so it's ridiculous to believe in it.
"can u prove the existence if this universe?" I'll assume you meant of. The evidence for the universe is universal. It's everywhere. We've measured the laws of the universe quite easily. We know about the big bang BECAUSE of evidence.
"if u really dont hate god u should really keep to urself."
Absolutely wrong. You can't destroy my right to speech. It's not hateful to speak.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 I don't go around telling you to keep to yourself and stop talking about your god, do I? Then don't pretend I should keep to myself and not talk about my belief or lack thereof, in your imaginary friend's case. That's the thing. Science always DOES have more evidence for their ideas than for the Easter bunny. Your religion never does.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Also I fear you are prone to confusing ideas with the person who presents them. I think your ideas are ridiculous. Did I say YOU are ridiculous? If I point out your idea is baseless and should be ridiculed, am I saying YOU are baseless and should be ridiculed? No. It is this mistaken presumption that leads many religious people to take things way to personally. Your imaginary friend is not you. And we're not really attacking it either, because we don't believe it exists.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster u dont answer the previous question my friend. u said that science have more evidence than my religion?that is where you are wrong.Science and religion are mutual.science explain the process created by God. If u dont think that God exist, maybe this videos shouldn't be exist either
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Since your religion has 0 evidence, then yes, science, which is BASED on evidence has more than your religion. "Science and religion are mutual." What does that even mean? Mutually what? Exclusive? yes. That means that evidence has NOTHING to do with your religion. Religion is the definition of faith: belief without evidence. There's no evidence of a god. You might as well worship the flying spaghettimonster (sauce be upon him) and his noodly appendages. Rahmen.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Case in point, my computer uses electromagnetic theory 3.3 billion times per second. How many times did you see god today? Visually, auditorially, etc? In ways others could verify.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster Haha.from your statement i can see how much your atheist knowledge are. I'm sorry if i didnt tell you i am a muslim. if u say that religion is definition of belief without evidence, then please see the Holy Quran that explain the theory of creations and life. u only limit your minds by reading only the bible. try reading other holy books too.try to open your mind my friend
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Yeah, young earth creationism like the koran espouses is incorrect. Sorry. I should have said religion is a combination of delusion and faith, with one or two stray facts added in (even the Norse Eddas had some historical elements). The koran's been abrogated, as was mentioned in the Hadith, by Uthman. It contains words in the original version, due to the lack of dots or vowels that could have up to 30 meanings. It's as vague as nostradamus, yet still manages to be false.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster the Quran did not get abrogated my friend. the lacks of vowels and dots did not make it vague because its been handed down generation by memorization from the early prophet. Uthman only put the vowel and dots with the people who helps to memorize them. Compare to what religious books u refer (one or two stray facts u said?), Quran is all facts. If u dont trust me, u can check it out all by yourself.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 So does the Hadith lie all the time? I have heard from previous Muslim friends that one can ignore the Hadith like one ignores most of the Torah and bible, with their talking snake story. Uthman did NOT put dots and vowel sounds on the words. And in fact that meant the original editions did not have much solid meaning to the words. It's not much of a fact, if I use a word with 30 meanings. Quran is NOT all facts. I've checked it out. No embryologist would say bones come first.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 The thing is, the Hadith TELLS us the Quran is abrogated. And the original uthman texts show revisions in the faint erased copies which were over-written, with different orders of verses, different wording, etc. If it was so perfect the first time, why did they abrogate it so much? Why did its descriptions of the body so much more correspond with Galen's mistaken assumptions about the human body, rather than reality? Simple. It was written by man, not spirits. Not gods.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster Read this my friend.The hadith has 2 categories.Sahih(clear) and Dhaif(unclear). There is also a fake hadith(created mostly without solid proof and human made). The one u heard might be dhaif. can u tell me what hadith is that?(please i really want to know).People can ignore fake hadith cause it can lead to misinterpretation(like this video does). About the human creation, the bones comes first in the times of Prophet Adam.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 The bones do not come first. Sorry. It's impossible for a fetus to develop bones first, then the flesh. It's the opposite. And an embryo never looks like a clot, though Galen, the ancient physician thought that this was how people came to be, literally seeds being implanted in the blood of the mother, which turned out to be false once science looked at it. The belief that there WAS an Adam and Eve such a short time ago is directly refuted by the modern genetic studies.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster Adam and Hawwa, sorry.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 But you can't ask us to consider the Quran as evidence of anything, but then ask us to ignore the parts of the Quran that are in fact false. The Quran itself says if there's any errors, then this book isn't the word of Allah. So by its own definition, it is NOT the word of Allah. How, for instance does Solomon "listen to ants talking" when we know now that ants don't use sound to communicate? They use chemicals. It sounds awfully like a child's cartoon. It was (but no pictures)
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster I told you already my friend. Read the whole book before making any BRILLIANT assumption. Did you really read the statement from Quran that writes about the creation of man from Surah AL-Mukminun ?. The bones comes first is actually a creation from the first women which is Hawa( or western people call it Eve). It is understandable that u don't understand the concept of mukjizat(special abilities) in the Quran because you are born with the faith of logic.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Dude, the rest of the Quran isn't going to say "yeah, sorry, just kidding about the embryo. That was a stupid thing to say" Even if it were smart enough to say that, it would, by its own definition, have demonstrated that the book is no word of Allah (as if anybody really believed it was). It doesn't mention Hawa in that whole chapter. It repeats Galen's stupid claim that sperm forms a blood clot turning into bones then flesh. Hawa wasn't that, you'll agree.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster The story of Hawa and the creation in the Quran are in the different Verse my friend. Let me tell u one thing, if Quran was not really the word of Allah then how come there are a Verse in the Quran that stated about the creature with two legs( there are no two legged creature in the Arab mainland at that time). Don't say that the Prophet travel travel to other places because he never went out of the Arab mainland.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 "The story of Hawa and the creation in the Quran are in the different Verse " Exactly my point. The chapter I quote was clearly talking about REproduction. Not initial production. It starts with man's seed and a blood clot from the woman (just like Galen) and then how it develops into bones first, then flesh. And that's completely wrong. The Quran is incorrect. It, by its own rules, is therefore NOT the word of Allah. It is completely man-made, like all religious texts.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster You have mistakenly interpret the Quran my friend.And u have missed one thing. Do you realize the word mudghah(chewed meat but scientifically called the somites cells) in the Quran? u did not do you?.and u haven't answer my question?if it is really a man then why Quran can stated the existence of two legged creature(like kangaroo)? because at that times Australia has not been officially discovered
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 What does... "one of the ants said: 'O ye ants, get into your habitations,lest(king)(prophet) Sulaiman (alaihisalam) and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it.'"
*really mean? Please educate me. I humbly ask for your enlightenment. Your book did not say if there are slightly more impressive facts than false ones, this book is still Allah's word, it said if there's one error, it is not. And are there other bipeds? Yes. Muhamed knew about ostriches.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster Yes i will explain it to you. It stated about the story of Prophet Sulaiman and his armies marching through the valley of the ants to go to the Saba kingdom.One of the ants warn the others to return back to their habitat in order to not to get crush. looking at the ants for an examplle, Prophet Sulaiman cancelled his intention to attack kingdom of Saba.This story symbolize the meaning of peace and how value human lives is
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 So was it just a story, and made up, and therefore not true? Or did he really hear ants talking, which we know is impossible, because ants don't communicate with sound, but with chemical trails?
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster but what if its true? you people might not accept it but not everything in this world can be explain through logic
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 "but what if its true?" It's not. We've studied ants. They have no voices. They can't even sense vibration through the air very much. They can only hear through ground vibration. It's not up for debate. So you're saying the Quran MEANT to get that wrong? Or was it not meant to be taken literally? Or, third option, it wasn't actually spoken by an omnicient being, at least not an honest one. I'm not sure if Allah's been known to lie, but his Yahweh predecessor did from page1.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
If Prophet Muhammad knew about ostriches,ok then.But, he is illiterate, how does he knew how to write the Quran that is beatifully written like a poetry.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Well if my memory serves me correctly, Muhammad didn't write it down. He simply spoke it, and his followers wrote it down. It wasn't even delivered to him written, but verbally. We know many illiterate people today that are very good at speaking poetry. Hiphop music is full of them. Though usually after they get enough money from their first albums, they seek private tutors so they can start to read and write well. Homer never wrote anything, but spoke epic poems.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster you are making this without facts right?The Prophet doesnt even knows about poetry. He doesnt even speak of it.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Dude, what's to know? If you've heard another person speak it once, you can repeat the pattern. 50 cent didn't get any "training" to rhyme or rhythm. He just knew it. If your only claim to the divinity of a work is that "wow, it has nice poetic style" then I'm afraid I'm unconvinced. There's really no unbiased historical reference to Muhammad that would lead me to believe him unable to, within his lifetime, learn poetic ability. Anyone can.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster Haha.What had you stated now is what you are standing up against to my friend which is 'believe without evidence".U realize that do you?another assumption of yours
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 No assumption. I've heard from dozens of very well educated sounding Muslims, and not one has provided evidence FOR Allah's existence. In fact, their attempts usually expose things like the embryo fallacy, or talking ants. Which we've established prove that the Quran is written only by humans, according to the Quran (unless you think that only the one verse that says every word has to be true is the one not written by Allah is untrue, in which case it's a paradox)
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@Enginmaster Again I said.science cannot explain everything.if it can, it may have conquered death already because death is logic.
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 "you are born with the faith of logic." I'm not sure if you fully understand the English word "faith" or "logic" if you think that. Faith is belief without evidence or rationality. Logic is rationality, which generally needs evidence or complete proof. They're mutually exclusive. The only religions that aren't completely illogical are the ones that tell you to explore knowledge yourself, rather than putting forth dogmatic and falsified ideas. I used Al-Müminün the Quran 23.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster I think u got it all wrong my friend.Faith is something that u believe in something or someone because you trusted it.its never been about evidence or rationality.for example(simple one), u have faith in your family,friends,lovers.U really need evidence or rationality.No,because they are your close ones.u trust them with all your heart. Who says Islam doe not encourage people to explore knowledge on their own.Look at all the Islamic alchemist 16th to 17th century
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Faith in the English language, with respect to religion, is belief without evidence. There's no faith in logic. There's no logic in faith. They're exclusive. This is why when something doesn't make sense, a person will try to assure you "you just have to have faith". (which is, of course, very stupid) If something doesn't make sense logically, you should view it with complete skepticism. I know there are muslims who DID explore, but after fundamentalism, the spirit died.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster of course there is logic in faith.can't you think?You see,faith is not only something that u people only consider supernatural.It is something that considers our daily lives.U know what? people who are skeptics (like what u said) mostly people who always give up easily especially in life because they do not have faith
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 There's zero logic in faith. Faith is believing regardless of what logic tells you. Faith is believing that if you pray over a piece of bread, it turns into Jesus flesh, which is an actual Catholic belief. Logic tells you the exact opposite. That a cracker remains a cracker no matter what word you utter over it. Skeptics are people like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, dude. They didn't give up. They just went where evidence took them. That's being science-minded. Skeptical.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster are u sure there are zero logic in faith? then what about your daily lives?U only accept the narrow definition of faith but not the wider definition of it. Did u even need evidence and being skeptics when it comes to your family and loved ones?
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 My daily life requires at least a low level evidence for anything I truly need to believe. It's actually quite nice to live without faith. You don't get disappointed so much. I accept various definitions of faith in various contexts. When someone says they're negociating in good faith, in other words honestly, then I'll take it to mean honestly. But that definition isn't what people refer to for heaven for instance. That's the narrow, belief without evidence definition.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster I can understand that somehow. It is because of your backgroung you become an atheist.Atheism exist because of the disapointment towards religion because of its limits on the knowledge of this universe. But Islam is not like that.Furthermore, Islam teaches a man about patience.Disappointment is only a way God test us.Besides, if its true i didnt get anything from my amal(my charity) its not like i am going to lose anything
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Atheism is a natural state. All babies are born atheist. If nobody mentions a god to them or tries to get them to believe in one by the time they're grown, they tend never to believe. Only brainwashed children grow up to believe without any evidence. And indeed, with respect to Thor, the only reason you don't believe is your parents didn't teach you him. Norse children used to know him well. The knowledge of the universe has already surpassed any religious text, and has no limit.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 I do find Islam's afterlife a bit more respectable than the Christian one, but not as good as the Hindu or Judaic or even Norse versions. I've always reassured my evangelical friend if he gets too worried about me that if there's anyone who'd send me to eternal torment for simply not believing, he's not worth a tenth the worship he asks for. (didn't really reassure him I fear) But that being said, the laws of the Earth for Islam are a bit intolerable, like for apostasy.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 I fortunately don't need any faith for my loved ones. I have copious evidence of them and our good times together. Do I have 100% proof? 100% proof only exists in mathematics. But I have evidence of their love. When I was a baby, perhaps I had faith. But that is evolution. Kids genetically were selected who listened to their parents when they said "don't touch that snake". But even babies don't have much faith, crying if a person leaves, not believing they'll come back.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
Do u know that logic and science does not provide the whole explanation on what happen to this world
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
if u read the whole process that was stated in the Holy Quran. u can see the accuracies like modern science does. And can u tell me which hadith says that Quran is abrogated?
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Taking the Quran's word about the Quran is obviously ridiculous. And what is the Hadith? Is it just rubbish? Do you choose to ignore it completely? Even has its own word for abrogation "naskh" Why have such a word for nothing? Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 33, 34 53, 54, 68, and 69; Sahih Muslim Book1, Number 228, book 3, Number 675, book 4 numbers 1317, 1233, and 1433, and book 43, number 7173. The list goes on. Sunan Abu Dawud, Malik's Muwatta, etc show it.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster u cannot make a conclusion by just reading one hadith. The unclear hadith is a hadith that cannot stand alone and must use other hadith to define the real story behind it.u must read the previous and next ones. For eg:Sahih Bukhari Volume 6,Book 60 Number 33. It actually connected from number 31 until number 34. Then from that u can understand the whole story.it is like computer too.u cannot make it functional if u only have a CPU.u must have other computer equipments too.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Did you...forget to read my message? I gave you the name of 4 different hadiths. Not just one. All of them contain stories of abrogation of the Quran. And still others could I also list. There aren't that many hadiths that claim throughout that nobody ever abrogated the Quran. You're not denying 53, 54, 68, or 69, are you?
Frankly, I don't see anything in the context, re-reading it, that overturns those abrogations mentioned in my references. Read your own books for once.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster U give me 4 hadith right?but i told u example of one them.These hadith, they are all the same. They are unclear and u have to read the previous and the next ones to fully understands the whole situations.(u make me repeat the same thing again).U gave me 4 different hadith with different issues but u only read the fragment,Not the whole story.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 The hadith are NOT all the same. Sorry. I'm surprised as a Muslim you don't know that. Did you never read them? I read the whole story of one from each, and they are not subtle about what happened. The Quran isn't as it was originally. It was rewritten. You know it, all the eminent scholars of the Quran quietly admit it, but claim that the original intent is still preserved, which is impossible to know, because Uthman had all the other Qurans burned or written over.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster U misunderstand what i am trying to say my friend. Of course the hadith is not the same.It has a different stories or issues.The one u gave me is an unclear ones.U need to read the previous ones and the next ones.U cannot fully understand it if u only read one hadith because this type of hadith need support from other hadith.like a computer parts.(how many times do i have to explain this to you?)
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 You don't need another hadith to say whether the one hadith was right about the Quran abrogation. All you need is the original Uthman Quran. And they have it. And it has abrogation ON it. You see the previous erased order of verses, wording, etc. It's different now. It should be no surprise to you, though. There are numerous stories of the time speaking of abrogation. You wouldn't have an arabic word for it in the Hadiths unless it was. It's ok, every religion is bunk.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
U said the Quran was not original?let me tell you one thing.The original Quran is not originally written. It was being memorize and passed down through generations until Uthman made it a book and put vowels and dots according to the people who memorize them.(it is not being rewritten like what u said).Where did u get this nonsense information anyway?
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 The Uthman one isn't even the first WRITTEN version. Otherwise there would be no story of him recalling the Qurans of other people around his kingdom to be revised, printed, and burn the old copies. I know it wasn't originally written. That's why it has stuff that needed editing. But it was written by humans and inspired ONLY by humans. That's why it says ANTS can TALK. No divine word would be that stupid, with all due respect. So by your book's word, your book isn't Allah's
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster the Uthmans is the ONLY written version that existed. Besides, we are not like the Jews or Christians that are with pleasure changing the contents of Quran. We muslims are loyal to its original content. Besides, the Quran only being made as a book in the times of Khalifah Uthman bin Affan. Not in the Prophet Muhammad times
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 "Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt." There were other versions, whether in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies." Small excerpt from the end of Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 510, pp. 478-479; book 61. Now I understand that's more a Sunni Hadith, perhaps not a Shia one, but do you disagree with it?
Enginmaster 4 months ago
Actually this is not abrogation. let me tell u the concept of rukhsah(lightness in doing your Islamic obligation).for eg:one hadith(that i mention previously) it told us about the obligation of fasting.But some people can discharge if the obligation can effect their health.
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 69: "A man from the companions of Allah's Apostle who I think, was Ibn 'Umar said, "The Verse:--"Whether you show what is in your minds or conceal it...." was abrogated by the Verse following it." "
That's not referring to someone doing something. That's a re-write. It is abrogation. That's why they used that word. Plus, you're saying "this is not abrogation" without referring to which of the dozen cases I give you. You do need to point out each verse.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster U really have mistaken what the Quran said my friend.Did you realize that that the translation is not the complete one?
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 *facepalm* Okay then, show me a translation that IS the complete one. It's quite impossible that given this many centuries, nobody has tried to translate the complete Sahih Bukhari. But frankly, I count the numbers, and I don't see any gaps. And you did not react in a way to have me believe my translation was misnumbered. So it's the same amount of writing. You're getting less and less and LESS specific in what you find wrong with the fact your Hadiths describe Quran abrogation.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster sorry because there are many hadith that existed. The hadith did not describe Qursn abrogation but it complete the Quran
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 No, seriously. The verses I mention specifically go out to document specific abrogations to the Quran. It's quite explicit. And the Uthman texts verify what the Hadith said, by showing cases where certain versions were erased and rewritten differently. It's ok. Even if it had a perfect copy including the vowels and dots the first time in the exact same order as Muhammad said, describing talking ants...ants still don't talk.
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster let tell you one thing.One of Islam concept is flexibility.It is a concept of adapting to the surroundings and age.some laws are applicable through ages and some can be change due to the surroundings and circumstances especially if something that forces it to change.IT is called rukhsah like what i said earlier
MrAle6661000 4 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Okay, but why couldn't an omnicient being make a set of laws that applied...at all times? Would the ancients have been hurt greatly if nobody were executed for apostasy?
Enginmaster 4 months ago
@Enginmaster Actually about apostasy.Its about this, although a person have declare himself out of Islam, execution is not the main option. Persuasion will be done even though it will take years or decades. Besides, execution is the last thing that will be done if the person is CLEARLY not only out but against Islam
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 "execution is not the main option" It shouldn't be ANY option. If you think that to just try to persuade him for years, THEN kill is any less of a cult way of dealing with the issue, you're a bit mistaken. That's a cult. You should NEVER kill someone for not believing in your fairytale. Enough said. That's probably the one most inexcusable item in all Islam. If you had a real god (one that was actually able to fend for himself) you'd not need to commit atrocities for him.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@Enginmaster It is not because they do not BELIEVE my friend. It is because they have THREATENED us. This kind of people always try to deprave Islam although we did not even kill them. Is it so good deprave others who had nothing against you?besides,many people that declare apostasy still alive until today.There's not even a single of them get executed.It is not so bad embracing Islam, its not like its make your life much worse. u only like to read bad things about Islam
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
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@MrAle6661000 "It is not because they do not BELIEVE my friend."
If you check Shariah, you'll be contradicted there. It's because they stopped believing. If your god is "threatened" by someone stopping their retarded belief in him, he's the weakest darn god I've seen in all of fiction. If YOU are "threatened" because they don't believe in your imaginary friend, you need to grow UP. "many people that declare apostasy still alive until today." ROFL! Really, that's your rebuttal?
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Apostates have not THREATENED you, retard. There is no situation in which you could say apostasy THREATENS you. It's not depraving people to stop believing. It's not hurting anyone to criticize your bullshit. (look at me. Am I HURTING you?) "besides,many people that declare apostasy still alive until today." Yeah, and a lot of democratic protesters in China are just WAITING to die, rather than already dead. Doesn't change the fact you condone such crimes against humanity.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@Enginmaster Hahaha. look at you. Where are your manners my friend? still thinking you people are the smartest one on this planet. But you insult others, thinking that you and your idea is the best and others are just garbage. Do you know harmony and most importantly, SENSITIVITY?it is where you give respect to others by not crossing the boundaries. You need to take care of other people feelings too u know,
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 I was quite courteous I thought, in pointing out the cartoonishly stupid book you follow. Why do you believe in talking ants, literal ladders to heaven, and that the bones of an embryo form first (which is a clear ripoff of the incorrect hypothesis Galen had)? And you claim a perfect book? There is only one word to describe believing all those things. Idiotic. Read your own book, and realize it prescribes throwing itself away now that you know it can't be Allah's word.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@Enginmaster i have told you before. not everything in this world can be explain through logic. if they could, then right now we might have overcome things such as death. and i also told you before somites cells right? the problem is you who always deny everything
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 If you can't find a logical explanation of how apostates "hurt" you, you're a moron to support it and should reject that point of the Hadith as the bullshit that it is. Also the point is, your book said if something was proven false by logic, you have to reject the whole book as not being of Allah. So I do. I'm a better muslim for you, because I do what it said. I don't "deny everything" But for things that are disproved I definitely deny those. Rightfully so.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 I mean are you claiming your religion or ANY religion of the abrahamic faiths has earned my respect? my "sensitivity"? No. Adults with imaginary friends should have it pointed out that their beliefs are childish.
Now tell me. What has an apostate ever THREATENED you with..simply by not believing anymore?
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@Enginmaster it is not the porblem that they do not believe my friend.it is the problem when they try to force other people who believe in God to to being a disbeliever. Look what happened in some country, they try to make religious outfit illegal, and you said that you protect democracy.how HYPOCRITES are u people
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 There was no evidence ANY of those people put to death "FORCED" others to not believe. You're absolutely retarded if you think it's even humanly possible for a minority viewpoint not backed by actual...force to force someone into disbelief. How can you believe such crap? If others disbelieve because they see the logic of those who left before, that's the Quran's fault, not theirs. A real divine book would have been convincing enough to overcome ANY counterargument.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 I live in America, where freedom is true. No hypocrisy, and certainly no allowances for the CULT practice of murdering those who can't believe the quranic tripe anymore. Women's "dignity" is not supported by throwing sulfuric acid in their faces for the act of learning to read and write. So fuck your assertion. Islam has a definite denigrating women track record. Not surprising with a book that counts them as only half a human.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 "it is the problem when they try to force other people who believe in God to to being a disbeliever."
Seriously, show me the last time a Muslim was forced into apostasy by an apostate in a Muslim country. FORCED. It doesn't happen. Death for apostasy is just a way of keeping the brainwashed masses from admitting when they've realized how dumb the faith is. If I were in Saudi Arabia, I'd know how stupid it was, but I'd still have to pretend. It's a facade.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
look at you people. You might have the knowledge and technology but it doesnt help you to improve your social problems and disease.
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
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@MrAle6661000 If ONE person dies for apostasy, your religion has too much blood on its hands to be justified. Enough said. How the heck could you even try to justify that? Are you really the bloodthirsty monsters that right wing idiots paint you to be? I was pretty sure you weren't...but you're defending this barbaric practice. Using zero logic. Sounds pretty monstrous. ww w.thenewamerican. com/world-mainmenu- 26/asia-mainmenu- 33/ 9613-pastors- fate-rests-in- the-hands-of- irans-ayatollah
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 au. christiantoday. com/article/somali- muslims-cut-beat- christian-unconscious- in-kenya/12337. htm
Also according to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights at least one juvenile in Saudi Arabia was executed for apostasy. People keep it well hidden, because all you technically have to do is pretend you believe in the magic ladder ride, etc. that the illiterate desert general went on. It's a damn cult though, if they can convict you of thought crimes like that.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Imagine if science said "Okay, you can stop believing that dinosaurs were killed by an asteroid. We'll try to convince you otherwise for a few years. Then you DIE!" Would anyone take science as seriously as they do? no. It would be a laughable cartoonish cult, like Islam. Fortunately, science works on evidence, not faith, like your religion. This is why it actually does things for those who use it, rather than just getting people to abuse women, and retard education.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@Enginmaster We dont abuse women FYI.Those things that you saw on the news or anywhere, is happen because of their culture.Islam protects the dignity of a women. You people much worse, you exploit it in front of the world.
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Did I even mention women? No. But yes, shariah law in practice severely abuses them. In Iran, it means if a woman is alone in the streets, she's beaten and arrested. And while a virgin can't be executed there, the soldiers are allowed to rape first, then execute her. Yeah, such dignity. We let women do what they want. Enough said.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@Enginmaster yes u mention women my friend ( U said on your text before.cant you see?u r not a good liar). u listening to false stories my friend. people take care womens dignity . It is one of our laws. u made the above statement based on your assumption. not facts right?
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 I posted the link with regard to the beatings in somalia because you were mistaken and thought that nobody ever enforces the death for apostasy measure. That's obviously false. Many cases in the past decade alone. It's alive and well, and death for apostasy? It's the number one sign that you're part of a cult of idiocy. "You MUST believe the tripe FOREVER, REGARDLESS of evidence, or we KILL you!" Such stupidity. How can you respect yourself after believing that?
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@Enginmaster i admit there are some countries that practice extreme muslim teachings. but, what is the wrong embracing Islam?because we pray, or because we make welfare as one of our obligation?(not like you atheists who only think about yourself
MrAle6661000 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 You've just demonstrated the wrong with embracing Islam. It kills apostates, it believes women are only half a person, it believes in restricting free speech globally, it has a flawed book which TELLS you to reject it if it's flawed. All perfect reasons to abandon such a stupid idea. I can embrace Muslims, but not Islam. I do not hate you, but your imaginary friend is an utter prick.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
@MrAle6661000 Also, really? Atheists only think of themselves? Ever heard of Bill Gates? The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation? One of the biggest charities on Earth? With his pledge to spend almost all his money before he dies on charity? Yeah, you can just cross that off your list of misconceptions about atheists. We think of other humans more, because we think of your imaginary afterlife less. We don't believe it's good to spend energy killing gays. We help people.
Enginmaster 3 months ago
terrific video, after going to many church services, i got the feeling, bible is bullshit, just use to sell whatever ideas you have
sweetboy945 4 months ago
hebrews were pagan worshippers, YHWH is a pagan semitic deity, proof is wide. there was a pantheon of gods among which Yhwh is one, EL, molech, Baal, Astarthe and more. Ritual murder and genocide have been commited and still today by jews who conceal the true nature of their cult, evil, supremacist cruel violent. Thousands of testimonies along middle ages in Europe of jewish ritual murder of christians to their god. God of cristians is not god of jews, Jews hate cristianity and Jesus .OT not NT
cometblazt 4 months ago
U have said a lot. I'm a renow athiest and nothing In this world will bring that evil book called bible into my house.
chrisj2003 5 months ago
EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION!
WEATHER WE AGREE WITH EACH OTHER OR NOT,
IT ISN'T CAUSE FOR CURSING & BELITTLING OTHERS.
HAVING OUR DISAGREEMENTS MAKES US INDIVIDUALS.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES US SPECIAL.
TAKE CARE EVERYONE! =)
NAVYWIFEONE 5 months ago
@NAVYWIFEONE Everyone has the right to their own OPNION. Nobody has the right to their own FACTS.
exacerbatedtaboo 5 months ago 6
@NAVYWIFEONE My opinion is caps locks doesn't make your point better.
moopism 4 months ago
The babies would grow up to be like their parents. Take the example of the Amalikites.
Moses killed the wicked ones among them whether or not they were family or friends. Sin spreads like a disease and once again God kills some in his right judgment to spare some in his mercy.
j919or 5 months ago
@j919or the babies would be like there their parents??? that is bullshit, your apologetics needs a SEVERE apology so poor is it...I thought God was punishing the Caananites etc for killing babies, then he orders his people to kill babies...hmmmm...
vincent4500 4 months ago
God kills every person ...and gives every person life.
j919or 5 months ago
The sweet aroma was God knowing that people were obeying and repenting leading to mercy. If the sacrifice was beans then the smell of beans would be a sweet aroma.
j919or 5 months ago
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challenge anyone to debate me on any one of these allegations against God.
PS. it is expected that those that are evil would not admit their evil but shift the blame to another
j919or 5 months ago
@alice10160 ""bible quotes that they were sacrifice ""
Yes there were animal sacrifices and that system was designed to be merely a shadow of what was to come, namely God sacrificing his soul and life to absorb our evil in Himself and defeat it. But only those that admit that they are evil and that that evil is destruction, will be with God and have eternal life and all joy.
PS. please proof read before hitting post.
j919or 5 months ago
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@alice10160 ""Explain how atheist are evil""
We all are evil. Those that admit it and entrust themselves to God find the remedy while others that remain in denial produce a bumper crop of evil. We were made for a purpose and atheists reject that purpose and resist and fight that purpose. How much more evil can yall be?
j919or 5 months ago
@alice10160 ""They don't believe cause of no proof""
Atheists spend their lives denying the truth that is all around them. God made us. This universe is extremely complex and fine tuned yet you say that compexity/order just happens without information and a machine to harness that information. The 2nd law shows that energy either reaching equilibrium or destroys complexity unless harnessed. This is obviuous. I pity you ALice for what u have allowed urself to become...the spawn of hell.
j919or 5 months ago
God absorbed evil in Himself and His soul was poured out in the process. This is a great sacrifice of infinite level. But since your arrogance is peaking u cant see it and will regret ur own wilfull blindness for eternity.
j919or 5 months ago
@j919or "But since your arrogance is peaking u cant see it and will regret ur own wilfull blindness for eternity."
Must be nice to threaten all the people who disagree with you with eternal flesh roasting torture.
Nothing says 'Jesus loves you' quite like 'roast in hell motherfucker', eh?
moopism 4 months ago
@alice10160 "Sacrifice is savage and abhorrent "
Really the atheist abhorres the idea of God, for the atheist in her arrogance believes that she knows better
1.Alice is either intentionally ignorant or not a clear thinker
2.Animals are killed every day for food. The animals that were sacrificed were not wasted but eaten as well
3.Animals sacrifice was simply a reminder of the sacrifice that the creator of the universe promised to make to save the rebellious creation
j919or 5 months ago
@j919or YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE, PEOPLE ARE TAKING THE BIBLE OUT OF CONCEPT HE KILLED 3,000 PEOPLE IN CAMP THEY INTERMINGLED WITH PEOPLE THAT WERE EVIL G-D TRIED TO KEEP THESE PEOPLE PURE. THEY SLAP G-D IN THE FACE. THE REVELATION THIS GUY IS TALKING ABOUT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T TURN FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS DEVIL & WORSHIP HE ISN'T MENTIONING THESE NUMEROUS THINGS. IT'S PURE BLASPHEMY!.LETTERS=)I TOTALLY AGREE WIT YOU ON THIS. PEOPLE WILL NEVER GET IT.
BLESS YOU =)
NAVYWIFEONE 5 months ago
@NAVYWIFEONE And I praise God for the work tht he is doing in both u and ur husband. My prayer is that u will thank God for that work every day and tell ur husband often that you thank God for the beautiful work that He is doing in ur husband.
j919or 5 months ago
@j919or WHY ARE PEOPLE SO NASTY?
I CAME HERE TO LOOK AT YOUR MESSAGE AND SOMEONE FLAGGED THE ABOVE MESSAGE AS SPAM ( THE ONE YOU SENT TO ALICE10160.
I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE GROWING MORE & MORE EVIL.
PEACE & BLESSINGS =)
STACE'
NAVYWIFEONE 5 months ago
@alice10160 "HIS UNIVERSE HIS RULES" Also its not like people who do believe in god AND does bad gets to go the heaven stright away. They have to burn FOR A WHILE ONLY but if you truely repent you and not repeat that action you DON'T BURN AT ALL. While anyone who does'nt believe in him BURNS FOREVER. The reason why the athiests burns is that had they lived forever they would have went on denying god. Anyway being religious to avoid burning is a good choice. Athiests are bad they need to be saved
smithbrain 5 months ago
Love this vid, but I think that it just proves that the writers of this bull crap are weird and wrote it to base laws of the land on. I think when god first saw what was it the bible, he shit his pants in disbelief. I believe in God, but don't belive in that piece of crap people call the bible.
taptap69tap 5 months ago