jdf can't compare to this. this is simply beautiful. florez has agility and a nice marketing but pav had a voice, heck... ernesto palacio had a more beautiful voice than florez ever could wish to have.
Yeah, Flores spoke better french. But I don't see flores singing a TENTH of the repertoire Pavarotti did. JDF seems to hop from one tenor leggiero role to the next.
@dpguibors Pav's French is better than your English apparently. And at least Pav's voice sounds good. Florez's voice is ugly and has no warmth to it. It is all chiaro and pushing. A voice without chiaroscuro is hard to listen to if the listener has any sense of tone.
@honestopera I love people who think their opinion is the only thing that matters. Florez is one of the most desired Rossinian tenors, I'm pretty sure most people think very highly of his voice.
He wasn't human. Listen to the utter ease with which he flies up to each of those notes - and all the other ones ! He's practically leading the orchestra at certain points - "Come on, let's go !!"
Pavarotti's performance in this opera at the 17th of February 1972 alongside Joan Sutherland at the Met achieved a record number of curtain calls - namely, 17, more than any other performance, before or since. Well-deserved, Maestro.
Es a mi gusto el mejor final de esta ária, el último Do generalmente lo interpretan a capela y en cambio en este si acompaña la orquesta Pava lo sostiene tan maravillosamente que me hace imaginar que los vientos y cuerdas anhelan que acabe pues no pueden sostener la nota tan magistralmente como el.
If I share that Pavarotti was a tenor very popular, but I think in my opinion that in its early years was in possession of a unique voice with which he could achieve a unique, and for me was one of the best versions Ah mes amis! .. Pour mon ame
In a special about the tenor voice, they put Pavarotti's voice on a spectroscope. While most tenors, like Domingo, Corelli, DelMonaco, et. al. have a voice with one major peak which gives it size, Pavarotti had two peaks which gave it that cutting ring.
I don't care if he was not the most perfect, technical singer - he is the only one that brings tears to my eyes when he sings. THAT is music for me.
I've seen a bit of Florez now - he's brilliant also. But I don't get the shivers down my spine, or stinging in my eyes like I do with Pav. Pav's voice is just so rich...
Coincido en afirmar que Pavarotti fue sorprendente en esa Ária por su voz colosal, pero no comparen a Domingo con él, son voces completamente distintas. Pavarotti era lírico y Domingo dramático. Mi opinión personal... me gusta más Domingo por su calidad interpretativa, fuerza, candor y actuación; si fuese lírico como Pavarotti hubiese sido otra historia.
.... was at the first performance. Both were great. Why they didn't televise "that" is typical of the Met. You couldn't help but love them both. Ah, those golden years... gone forever.
What can one say? Lucianissimo....you were the greatest. Yes, Kraus was a GREAT singer and could sing the High C just about until the day he died but Pavarotti had a MUCH more beautiful voice. Just magnificent. Sorry I never saw him in and Dame Joan in Fille.
This, my friends, is why Pavarotti is not in the category of tenors, but rather above them all in a place I like to call "Beasts". or rather "Beast". This blows my mind everytime I hear it. JESUS WHAT A VOICE
@Valkyrie91a In the same way aroncooker suggested that Pavarotti doesn't fall under the category of tenor, I'd like to suggest that neither does Andrea Bocelli... but for entirely different reasons... :p
@Kraus4ever With not even half the power that Pav had. Not to mention in the beggining he could only do like one vowel sound in the high C, While pav could always do the 5 italian vowels. Besides, Krauss was a light tenor, little voice, pav was a lyric one, warmer, much bigger voice.
Y para los que dicen que "seguramente" Domingo cantó La fille du regiment, les aseguro: nunca la cantó, y más aún, nunca pudo -ni podrá- cantarla.
Es más, él nunca se "arriesgó" -cuando, por su edad, probablemente podía- a dar un do agudo satisfaciente, y mucho menos sostenerlo como lo hizo sorprendentemente Pavarotti a lo largo de toda su carrera. Los "do agudos" de Domingo, invariablemente, fueron más cortos que un suspiro y, sobre todo, patéticos.
That was just spectacular. I just wish Pavarotti didnt try so hard to broaden his sound with heavier roles later in his career. The clarity and brightness of his sound here is amazing.
Well, I have read what happened on that day. He went on stage, tried to sing the first high note and left because he could not carry on singing due to be too high for him already.
Magnificent ! impressive ! spectacular ! majestic ! wonderful ! Thrilling ! Amazing ! Perfect in fact !!!! Nothing more to say; Thank you maestro !!! For your voice and your haert !!!! WE MISS YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, maybe he did sing it. But like I said, there is no way Domingo would ever attempt this aria infront of an audience in original key. He could barely ever hit high c's let alone 9 in a row.
simplemente bravooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...braviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!! es para romperse las palmas aplaudiendo!!!!
This live recording echoes what I recall from hearing Pavarotti live and unmiked some 31 years ago. The voice wasn't particularly large, but thanks to its freedom and brilliance, it carried splendidly --
Actually, I only heard Pav in recital, with piano accompaniment (by John Wustman) in the Milwaukee Performing Arts Center's Uihlein Hall, circa June 1978. . This venue's acoustics do not favor singers. But Pav's full, clear voice carried beautifully. I've heard larger tenor voices in person (Vickers, McCracken). But none were as vibrant as Pav's. His encores included "Urna furtiva lagrima" and"Nessun dorma." The audience applauded until he closed the lid on the piano:) --
One more point: Pavarotti did NOT have a "tiny voice." His instrument wasn't huge, but neither was it small, much less "tiny." And to repeat, the deciding factor was its vibrancy and clarity -- in a word, RESONANCE. Thus it carried extremely well even in a theatre with poor acoustics, like the one in which I heard him --
@stevevandien actually im pretty sure he was a full lyric tenor with quite good size. maybe he wasnt a big dramatic tenor like domingo but do you think he'd sing at the met for so long with a small voice?
Not to mention a complete disregard of Kraus's distortion of the vowels on the high Cs, 'j'ai ma aghh', instead of 'j'ai sa flamme', the correct way is demonstrated by Pavarotti here.
no Kraus really sings "j'ai sa flamme". Pavarotti first sings "j'ai sa flomme". He sings "j'en fais fait sermone", not "serment", "militeure", not "militaire" (he got the final "militaire" right though).
Yes, Kraus could not sing it altogether correctly since he could not afford to sing the consonants in the high Cs (which make them more difficult since they interrupt the flow of air). Certainly Pava's best rendition of this aria is far superior to Kraus's best
Pour tout amateur d'opéra il est indégniable que les immenses ténors du 20e siècle(caruso kraus domingo pavarotti)ont tous quelque chose qui leur est propre, les rend uniques et les distingue les uns des autres Mais cet enregistrement de 1972 est tellement exceptionnel qu'on en oublierait presque les autres extraordinnaires interprètes de cet aria (magnifique) La note finale est sans égale selon moi Même si son fraçais n'est pas sans défaut la technique est parfaite Bravo Luciano
Although I prefer Alfredo Kraus' version, and that I personally think that Mario Lanza was second to none (Pavarotti himself claimed that), I admit that Luciano very well deserves being nominated as the best tenor ever. But the beautiful thing is the chance to enjoy all these Sacred Monsters. Playing judge is funny and productive: but let us not forget that this is merely a game. Let us sit back and enjoy this gift from the Gods... thanks a lot for posting this Mooorhe!
Well, I am sure that Pavarotti said that Lanza was the best because I clearly recall a documentary with a 1996 interview to Luciano saying just that. Maybe he said what you are claiming in another interview, who knows. I've never heard -or recall- any comments on Bjorling by Luciano, although I do remember his high comments on Di Stefano and Del Mónaco. If you find the interview where Pavarotti says what you posted, please send me the link. I am interested. Thanks for replying.
I too feel that Lanza was second to none purely speaking of raw vocal talent. But in purely operatic terms, there certainly were many tenors superior to Lanza, yes. I know Pav loved him a lot, don't really know much about his views on other tenors though except for general praise. And I think he said he wanted most to be compared to Bjorling (as far as career) or something like that.
Thinking of that, and correct me if I am wrong, I have never heard a bad or negative comment made by Luciano towards any of his colleagues -or even his direct rivals. That speaks volumes of his professionalism and heart. Pavarotti was a great one, inside and outside the theatre. No question about that.
Not many singers are stupid enough to make nasty comments about colleagues. Renata Scotto rudely did this in 1979, about Pavarotti due to her awful attempt at singing La Gioconda.
True. As Mooorhe said most opera singers are generally courteous and even complimentary toward their colleagues, especially in public. (rare exceptions.)
However Pavarotti always seemed to me to be a genuinely kind and humble person.
Generally, harsh feelings are kept under hats but you get some singers who are very open about their feelings If you take Fisichella for example, he sent a reply to fanmail saying that Pavarotti 'sings like a sacristan and has a very non Italian timbre that sounds Germanic'. You can obviously tell that a remark like that comes from frustration at being overshadowed by a singer of greater ability singing the same repertoire.
I think Pavarotti was a genuine person as well, like Caballe.
I can't see the attraction of Fisichella though, he sounds rather choked, the Met management certainly thought so, because he wasn't invited back to sing after his debut in '86.
Caballe really does seem like an incredible person, few 'prima donna' displays and an incredible gift for complimenting people (check out the Caballe/Pavarotti Turandot interview).
She created a great quote:
'The moment you say 'give me a reason for this', you are being impossibly and temperamental.'
@ShawDAMAN yea i think Fisichella must have been deaf to say pavarotti sounds germanic. i think he was just very jealous. he was a 2nd class tenor imo.
i take that back he wasn't second class, he was good just not in the same league as pav....but then few were....imo. fisichella was more comparable to vargas to me.
Somewhere I was read that actualy in this night Pavarotti was sang not 9 but 10 high C's :) But it's number is doesn't matter, he is incredible! I can't find other words...
It;s the quality and not the number that matters TraVoiBelle. Blake did 13 of them in this aria but he always sounded like a squeal due to his leggero voice -not too exciting really.
He was amazing!!! I do so like Pavarotti in the light fun roles like this one and Rigoletto. He had a naturally sunny, jaunty voice...very fun to listen to!
He does this very well also Chris Merritt in 87 did a fine job in Italy with it but he did not last for whatever reason. Checkout his live one of it, both good.
Sutherland sang Marie in this performance too. Bonynge, Pavarotti and Sutherland toured the USA performing it between performances at the Met because so many people wanted to see two of the greatest voices ever performing this wonderful opera.
Anyone who ever said that he was only good in the studio is simply wrong. He sounds just as good, just as at ease with the aria here as he did in the studio. Bravissimo!
N THE PRACTICAL , PAVAROTTI is the only one that sings this rol very well. to him is listened perfect and beautiful, it resonates well in both sharp followed, when he/she says pour mon ame, quel destin", the sharp one in mon and love (o and a) that is difficult, Luciano makes it perfect
N THE PRACTICAL , PAVAROTTI is the only one that sings this rol very well. to him is listened perfect and beautiful, it resonates well in both sharp followed, when he/she says pour mon ame, quel destin", the sharp one in mon and love (o and a) that is difficult, Luciano makes it perfect
This is the one I have, I think. That nut. By the way, it's interesting to notice how as he holds the final C his sound becomes more hollow gradually, and then as he focuses the resonance in the mask again how it gradually becomes richer in quality again.
Dear GOS, the recording does these waves of sharp-hollow all the time. Even during the applause!
I don't think it is his voice doing the hollow part. I think I hear him gradually -and flawlessly- sharpening on the way with the note, thus never getting flat and almost creating the effect of a subtle crescendo.
jdf can't compare to this. this is simply beautiful. florez has agility and a nice marketing but pav had a voice, heck... ernesto palacio had a more beautiful voice than florez ever could wish to have.
marcellny 2 weeks ago
c'mon... someone really compared florez to this?
marcellny 2 weeks ago 2
Oh to have been there
Grahcm 3 weeks ago
that is truly unbelievable. WoW!
babystinky 1 month ago
Fantastic !!!
MrFrenchaccent 1 month ago
!!!!!!!
Merdish 3 months ago
The last "C" is best ever....
zol040 4 months ago 3
Astonishing!
DerekWilliamsMusic 4 months ago 2
the one who said pavarotti had a tiny voice ...you have 22 account youtube
akveyly 4 months ago
Yeah, Flores spoke better french. But I don't see flores singing a TENTH of the repertoire Pavarotti did. JDF seems to hop from one tenor leggiero role to the next.
flicfan416 5 months ago
how can you not worship this man ? :p
thomassmile 5 months ago 3
the one who said pavarotti's had a tiny voice must be getting deaf
dimakauffman 5 months ago 2
luciano is very very good but his french is not so good no? frorez has e beautyful french
dpguibors 6 months ago
@dpguibors Pav's French is better than your English apparently. And at least Pav's voice sounds good. Florez's voice is ugly and has no warmth to it. It is all chiaro and pushing. A voice without chiaroscuro is hard to listen to if the listener has any sense of tone.
honestopera 2 months ago
@honestopera I love people who think their opinion is the only thing that matters. Florez is one of the most desired Rossinian tenors, I'm pretty sure most people think very highly of his voice.
cubadude1 2 months ago
Pavarottti in his prime. what an amazing voice he had and what incredible high C,s
Giovannifabuloso 7 months ago
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he's the only one for god!
josemartingabriel 7 months ago
He wasn't human. Listen to the utter ease with which he flies up to each of those notes - and all the other ones ! He's practically leading the orchestra at certain points - "Come on, let's go !!"
Bravissimo, Primo Tenore !
donde2k 7 months ago 2
Eccelso, questo era il vero repertorio di Luciano ìììì
federricoilgrande 8 months ago
Pavarotti's performance in this opera at the 17th of February 1972 alongside Joan Sutherland at the Met achieved a record number of curtain calls - namely, 17, more than any other performance, before or since. Well-deserved, Maestro.
KingGale 10 months ago
Wait, is it just me, or did he just hold the last note for 15 second or more?
petion2010 1 year ago
et bien bravo JUAN DIEGO FLOREZ.....
tomclaudetom 1 year ago
@tomclaudetom it was 9
louie1a 6 months ago
Amaizing sound! Amaizng control! Pavarotti & Corelli best voices ever!!!
0samples0 1 year ago
espectacularrrr.....lomejor en la historia y no dudo que a ahora le este cantando a dios con los angeless...
elyavet666 1 year ago
Senza parole.....
QUESTANOTTE88 1 year ago
Es a mi gusto el mejor final de esta ária, el último Do generalmente lo interpretan a capela y en cambio en este si acompaña la orquesta Pava lo sostiene tan maravillosamente que me hace imaginar que los vientos y cuerdas anhelan que acabe pues no pueden sostener la nota tan magistralmente como el.
andriv123 1 year ago 3
He doesn't "hit" those notes; he crushes them!
giugiu57 1 year ago 6
Two people who watched this video are Andrea Bocelli fans.
italianswiggler 1 year ago 62
@italianswiggler
hahahahahah. Thats hilarious. Well put.
bari2tenor 7 months ago
@bari2tenor Haha, thank you my friend! Seriously, 2 dislikes?! 1:52-2:03. Nuff said.
italianswiggler 7 months ago
@italianswiggler Yep
petion2010 1 month ago
If I share that Pavarotti was a tenor very popular, but I think in my opinion that in its early years was in possession of a unique voice with which he could achieve a unique, and for me was one of the best versions Ah mes amis! .. Pour mon ame
ttirovapa 1 year ago
La ultima nota casi me hace aplaudir y saltar literalmente
Nockturnmortem 1 year ago
Juan Diego what?
RobertoML72 1 year ago
That wasn't a standing ovation, that was an orgasm. Damn that was amazing.
pjay22 1 year ago 3
@pjay22 And that was a damn good orgasm!!!
22441932 1 year ago
the name of this is for sure ah mes amis
whatchamacallitful 1 year ago
In a special about the tenor voice, they put Pavarotti's voice on a spectroscope. While most tenors, like Domingo, Corelli, DelMonaco, et. al. have a voice with one major peak which gives it size, Pavarotti had two peaks which gave it that cutting ring.
psalmtone2008 1 year ago
Really... The Best. For Ever !!!!
yoheliomcr 1 year ago
bravissimo tenore leggero
figarodongiovanni81 1 year ago
que bien sostiene el do agudo en la ultimaparte
histeringg 1 year ago
one word only : perfection
thomassmile 1 year ago 4
wow he held it long
pys22 1 year ago
BRAVISSIMO
BassMan241 1 year ago
Heart, soul and balls in perfectly balanced amounts...... And coupled with that unassuming smile!...... The Shiz! :)
macatenor 1 year ago
Sencillamente IMPRESIONANTE!!!!! Bravo Pavarotti, Bravooooooo!!!!!!
joseochoa77 1 year ago
Beato chi era lì!
MegaParzifal 2 years ago
He was pretty darn good.
Webarton 2 years ago
I don't care if he was not the most perfect, technical singer - he is the only one that brings tears to my eyes when he sings. THAT is music for me.
I've seen a bit of Florez now - he's brilliant also. But I don't get the shivers down my spine, or stinging in my eyes like I do with Pav. Pav's voice is just so rich...
123444122 2 years ago 4
The last high C is the best live high C I´ve ever heard!
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago 2
Coincido en afirmar que Pavarotti fue sorprendente en esa Ária por su voz colosal, pero no comparen a Domingo con él, son voces completamente distintas. Pavarotti era lírico y Domingo dramático. Mi opinión personal... me gusta más Domingo por su calidad interpretativa, fuerza, candor y actuación; si fuese lírico como Pavarotti hubiese sido otra historia.
aabadv 2 years ago
disculpen la groseria pero por la puta madre ¡¡¡¡¡Que grande eres Luciano!!!!!!!!!!!!
kunfusinger 2 years ago
ah perdón, no quise puntuarte negativo me equivoqué de ícono. Concuerdo contigo Luciano fue grandísimo!
vladmorten 1 year ago
fabuloso
fabiancamposparedes 2 years ago 2
voci così ce le scordiamo da qui in avanti
LUCIGNOLOPT 2 years ago 2
c'est vraiment le roi des contres uts
starwars1marc 2 years ago 3
i dont like pavarotti at all but i got to admit that this was a very good performance
jcmcpr 2 years ago
@jcmcpr
then fuck you
Pavarotti4eva 2 years ago
.... was at the first performance. Both were great. Why they didn't televise "that" is typical of the Met. You couldn't help but love them both. Ah, those golden years... gone forever.
StuartLou 2 years ago
What can one say? Lucianissimo....you were the greatest. Yes, Kraus was a GREAT singer and could sing the High C just about until the day he died but Pavarotti had a MUCH more beautiful voice. Just magnificent. Sorry I never saw him in and Dame Joan in Fille.
dirtbag719 2 years ago
This, my friends, is why Pavarotti is not in the category of tenors, but rather above them all in a place I like to call "Beasts". or rather "Beast". This blows my mind everytime I hear it. JESUS WHAT A VOICE
aroncooker 2 years ago 4
@aroncooker You are right, nobody else even comes close. Try listening to this and then Bocelli....Pav was and always will be the ultimate tenor.
Valkyrie91a 2 years ago 4
Well of course! :) I hate Bocelli and how people compare him to Pava. He has so many technical issues.
aroncooker 2 years ago
@Valkyrie91a In the same way aroncooker suggested that Pavarotti doesn't fall under the category of tenor, I'd like to suggest that neither does Andrea Bocelli... but for entirely different reasons... :p
IfYourMomWereATaco 2 years ago
Alfredo Kraus is no doubt the king of the High Cs!! ( He could do them like a good till his dieth!!)
Kraus4ever 2 years ago 4
@Kraus4ever With not even half the power that Pav had. Not to mention in the beggining he could only do like one vowel sound in the high C, While pav could always do the 5 italian vowels. Besides, Krauss was a light tenor, little voice, pav was a lyric one, warmer, much bigger voice.
FeelinMinnesota 1 year ago
pfff y yo que creia q JDF era el rey de los high Cs...! pavarotti is the KING! no...hes GOD..! amazing!
SiMiChiamanoMariel 2 years ago 4
Magnifique, superbe, on ne lasse pas .On n'est pas près de vous oublier, Monsieur Pavarotti merci
gcalvet81 2 years ago 2
Holy Mother Mary!!! Pavarotti IS Pavarotti...!
MataTosti 2 years ago 2
wow that's long applause
MrMrmike5 2 years ago 4
Very well deserved applause.
bighurk178 2 years ago 2
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmazing !!!
guilhem32 2 years ago 7
Ottimo bootleg,almeno qui cantava ancora....
TheZeno44 2 years ago
Y para los que dicen que "seguramente" Domingo cantó La fille du regiment, les aseguro: nunca la cantó, y más aún, nunca pudo -ni podrá- cantarla.
Es más, él nunca se "arriesgó" -cuando, por su edad, probablemente podía- a dar un do agudo satisfaciente, y mucho menos sostenerlo como lo hizo sorprendentemente Pavarotti a lo largo de toda su carrera. Los "do agudos" de Domingo, invariablemente, fueron más cortos que un suspiro y, sobre todo, patéticos.
dendrix01 2 years ago
Creo que es injusta la comparacion, porque aunque amos tenores, son cuerdas totalmente diferentes.
arkeeltamayo 2 years ago
Simplemente, ¡asombroso!
Ninguno, ninguno como Pavarotti... ¡el más grande de todos los tiempos!
dendrix01 2 years ago
Amazing!
solovoice 2 years ago 3
wow... they clapped for over a minute... that's ridiculous.
Yilmael 2 years ago
That was just spectacular. I just wish Pavarotti didnt try so hard to broaden his sound with heavier roles later in his career. The clarity and brightness of his sound here is amazing.
manny2many 2 years ago 3
i know this is a horrible thing to ask, but does anyone have a recording from when he did this in 1995?
ARReith 2 years ago
Well, I have read what happened on that day. He went on stage, tried to sing the first high note and left because he could not carry on singing due to be too high for him already.
tena2 2 years ago
That was sung so brilliantly, I am stunned time and time again upon hearing it.
Krystostiklion 2 years ago
The clappings and "bravo"s at 2:04 moved me! Simply the best, Maestro.
sandrol76 2 years ago
Magnificent ! impressive ! spectacular ! majestic ! wonderful ! Thrilling ! Amazing ! Perfect in fact !!!! Nothing more to say; Thank you maestro !!! For your voice and your haert !!!! WE MISS YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thomassmile 2 years ago 3
I have been looking for this recording FOREVER, thank you so much!!!!
RachTrinity 2 years ago
I've never heard another tenor sing this aria better! And that's from a domingo fan ;D
Did Domingo ever even attempt this aria?
aaronsande 2 years ago
I seriously doubt it. If he did, he transposed which defeats the entire purpose of hitting all the top C's.
Nater389 2 years ago
Agreed! And I think he never did sing it. Di Quella Pira on key, only once as far as I can tell, is as brave as he ever got! =D
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korny87 2 years ago
Domingo is the one who sang nearly all Operas. So I'm sure he sang it, too...
korny87 2 years ago
Yes, maybe he did sing it. But like I said, there is no way Domingo would ever attempt this aria infront of an audience in original key. He could barely ever hit high c's let alone 9 in a row.
Nater389 2 years ago
Sure, Domingo did sing nearly all operas. But, that does not mean he sang them all well. He transposed nearly all of them down.
Nater389 2 years ago
truely the best
mrduerson 2 years ago
simplemente bravooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...braviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!! es para romperse las palmas aplaudiendo!!!!
iago10z 2 years ago
ILPIù GRANDE!!!
karinissimissima 2 years ago
Pavarotti LEGENDARIO como siempre.
yaricarol22 2 years ago
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Florez eats him
halsamdu 2 years ago
Funny.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
He was twice his size. If we're talking about literally eating other tenors, Pavarotti was the man.
Honken 2 years ago
In either case, Pavarotti was the man.
hisimperialmajesty 2 years ago
That was the point I was trying to make! :)
Honken 2 years ago
Thank you very much! Your assert demonstrates solid operatic background.
Ginotti 2 years ago 2
This live recording echoes what I recall from hearing Pavarotti live and unmiked some 31 years ago. The voice wasn't particularly large, but thanks to its freedom and brilliance, it carried splendidly --
stevevandien 2 years ago 3
stevevandien, could you detail the occasions on which you heard Pavarotti at the opera house?
Some people have suggested his was a tiny voice.
Ginotti 2 years ago
Actually, I only heard Pav in recital, with piano accompaniment (by John Wustman) in the Milwaukee Performing Arts Center's Uihlein Hall, circa June 1978. . This venue's acoustics do not favor singers. But Pav's full, clear voice carried beautifully. I've heard larger tenor voices in person (Vickers, McCracken). But none were as vibrant as Pav's. His encores included "Urna furtiva lagrima" and"Nessun dorma." The audience applauded until he closed the lid on the piano:) --
stevevandien 2 years ago 6
One more point: Pavarotti did NOT have a "tiny voice." His instrument wasn't huge, but neither was it small, much less "tiny." And to repeat, the deciding factor was its vibrancy and clarity -- in a word, RESONANCE. Thus it carried extremely well even in a theatre with poor acoustics, like the one in which I heard him --
stevevandien 2 years ago 22
@stevevandien actually im pretty sure he was a full lyric tenor with quite good size. maybe he wasnt a big dramatic tenor like domingo but do you think he'd sing at the met for so long with a small voice?
viv3147 1 year ago
@viv3147 I didn't say he had a small voice. I said it wasn't huge, but it was very resonant, so it carried extremely well.
stevevandien 1 year ago 2
lol man, those high c's are ball shattering. Florez cant even compare.
Warchild281 2 years ago 4
love it! ball shattering! hahahaaha!
this made my day. thanks!
ciociosan 2 years ago
Symple....the best.
QUESTANOTTE88 2 years ago 2
disregarding his diction, pavarotti still has the best sounding high c's by a longshot
flicfan416 2 years ago 2
poor French, very distorted vowels. I'll choose Kraus anytime.
jhvorotin 2 years ago
Not to mention a complete disregard of Kraus's distortion of the vowels on the high Cs, 'j'ai ma aghh', instead of 'j'ai sa flamme', the correct way is demonstrated by Pavarotti here.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
no Kraus really sings "j'ai sa flamme". Pavarotti first sings "j'ai sa flomme". He sings "j'en fais fait sermone", not "serment", "militeure", not "militaire" (he got the final "militaire" right though).
jhvorotin 2 years ago
No, Kraus completely changes the words on his high notes. It's far worse to substitute jibberish into the singing than send a vowel the wrong way.
Listen to Pavarotti's high notes and compare, he doesn't change any words.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
Yes, Kraus could not sing it altogether correctly since he could not afford to sing the consonants in the high Cs (which make them more difficult since they interrupt the flow of air). Certainly Pava's best rendition of this aria is far superior to Kraus's best
cornificius22vain 2 years ago
Pour tout amateur d'opéra il est indégniable que les immenses ténors du 20e siècle(caruso kraus domingo pavarotti)ont tous quelque chose qui leur est propre, les rend uniques et les distingue les uns des autres Mais cet enregistrement de 1972 est tellement exceptionnel qu'on en oublierait presque les autres extraordinnaires interprètes de cet aria (magnifique) La note finale est sans égale selon moi Même si son fraçais n'est pas sans défaut la technique est parfaite Bravo Luciano
thomassmile 2 years ago
Although I prefer Alfredo Kraus' version, and that I personally think that Mario Lanza was second to none (Pavarotti himself claimed that), I admit that Luciano very well deserves being nominated as the best tenor ever. But the beautiful thing is the chance to enjoy all these Sacred Monsters. Playing judge is funny and productive: but let us not forget that this is merely a game. Let us sit back and enjoy this gift from the Gods... thanks a lot for posting this Mooorhe!
TheEternaut 2 years ago
Pavarotti adored Lanza, but he loved di Stefano much more and thought Bjorling was techincally the best singer.
There were many tenors superior to Lanza. There were many superior to Pavarotti and Kraus too.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
Well, I am sure that Pavarotti said that Lanza was the best because I clearly recall a documentary with a 1996 interview to Luciano saying just that. Maybe he said what you are claiming in another interview, who knows. I've never heard -or recall- any comments on Bjorling by Luciano, although I do remember his high comments on Di Stefano and Del Mónaco. If you find the interview where Pavarotti says what you posted, please send me the link. I am interested. Thanks for replying.
TheEternaut 2 years ago
I too feel that Lanza was second to none purely speaking of raw vocal talent. But in purely operatic terms, there certainly were many tenors superior to Lanza, yes. I know Pav loved him a lot, don't really know much about his views on other tenors though except for general praise. And I think he said he wanted most to be compared to Bjorling (as far as career) or something like that.
ShawDAMAN 2 years ago
Thinking of that, and correct me if I am wrong, I have never heard a bad or negative comment made by Luciano towards any of his colleagues -or even his direct rivals. That speaks volumes of his professionalism and heart. Pavarotti was a great one, inside and outside the theatre. No question about that.
TheEternaut 2 years ago
Not many singers are stupid enough to make nasty comments about colleagues. Renata Scotto rudely did this in 1979, about Pavarotti due to her awful attempt at singing La Gioconda.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
True. As Mooorhe said most opera singers are generally courteous and even complimentary toward their colleagues, especially in public. (rare exceptions.)
However Pavarotti always seemed to me to be a genuinely kind and humble person.
ShawDAMAN 2 years ago
Generally, harsh feelings are kept under hats but you get some singers who are very open about their feelings If you take Fisichella for example, he sent a reply to fanmail saying that Pavarotti 'sings like a sacristan and has a very non Italian timbre that sounds Germanic'. You can obviously tell that a remark like that comes from frustration at being overshadowed by a singer of greater ability singing the same repertoire.
I think Pavarotti was a genuine person as well, like Caballe.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
Wow. I wonder what the fan thought of that remark. Ridiculous.
Yes Caballe seems like a sweet person. She reminds me a lot of my Grandmother actually. =D
ShawDAMAN 2 years ago
I can't see the attraction of Fisichella though, he sounds rather choked, the Met management certainly thought so, because he wasn't invited back to sing after his debut in '86.
Caballe really does seem like an incredible person, few 'prima donna' displays and an incredible gift for complimenting people (check out the Caballe/Pavarotti Turandot interview).
She created a great quote:
'The moment you say 'give me a reason for this', you are being impossibly and temperamental.'
Mooorhe 2 years ago
@ShawDAMAN yea i think Fisichella must have been deaf to say pavarotti sounds germanic. i think he was just very jealous. he was a 2nd class tenor imo.
bigus 1 year ago
i take that back he wasn't second class, he was good just not in the same league as pav....but then few were....imo. fisichella was more comparable to vargas to me.
bigus 1 year ago
This shows Pavarotti's dominant position as the best singer ever. Carusso is outclassed big time.
oldtwins 3 years ago
Caruso was a very different singer to Pavarotti, they shouldn't really be compared.
Mooorhe 3 years ago
Given the quality of the Caruso recordings I always refrained to comment on Caruso. Obviously he was a revolutionary and an exceptional tenor.
TheInquisitive4Ever 2 years ago
Somewhere I was read that actualy in this night Pavarotti was sang not 9 but 10 high C's :) But it's number is doesn't matter, he is incredible! I can't find other words...
TraVoiBelle 3 years ago
It;s the quality and not the number that matters TraVoiBelle. Blake did 13 of them in this aria but he always sounded like a squeal due to his leggero voice -not too exciting really.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
yep!
The quality is more important.
Pavarotti's high C'c are of proved quality :)
TraVoiBelle 3 years ago
And by the way, thanks for adding the audience's ovation. What it must have been like to be part of it all! Bravo!
Valkyrie91a 3 years ago
This must have been astonishing to hear and see Pav in person, and in this opera.
Valkyrie91a 3 years ago
Non sono più cose di questo mondo!
jago1976 3 years ago
Wonderful God bless him.
sharperimage1234567 3 years ago
How wonderful to have You Tube to hear this amazing man sing, I will always treasure this video - thank you so much
fanniandwads 3 years ago
wow wow wow !!!! just perfect !!!! i can't find other words
thomassmile 3 years ago 2
He was amazing!!! I do so like Pavarotti in the light fun roles like this one and Rigoletto. He had a naturally sunny, jaunty voice...very fun to listen to!
novice1959 3 years ago
Wonderful! Thanks for including the audience's response. Imagine being there! Pav will always be the King of the High C's!
Valkyrie91a 3 years ago 2
La perfection inégalable.
fraenne 3 years ago
the best
Trubadurul 3 years ago 2
He does this very well also Chris Merritt in 87 did a fine job in Italy with it but he did not last for whatever reason. Checkout his live one of it, both good.
pearlmuth3 3 years ago
BRAVO
pearlmuth3 3 years ago
Wow, it's amazing.
He even sing last high C longer than another Met performance in 1972 which sutherland sang Marie.
AmorediPazzia 3 years ago
Sutherland sang Marie in this performance too. Bonynge, Pavarotti and Sutherland toured the USA performing it between performances at the Met because so many people wanted to see two of the greatest voices ever performing this wonderful opera.
Mooorhe 3 years ago
Anyone who ever said that he was only good in the studio is simply wrong. He sounds just as good, just as at ease with the aria here as he did in the studio. Bravissimo!
hisimperialmajesty 3 years ago
N THE PRACTICAL , PAVAROTTI is the only one that sings this rol very well. to him is listened perfect and beautiful, it resonates well in both sharp followed, when he/she says pour mon ame, quel destin", the sharp one in mon and love (o and a) that is difficult, Luciano makes it perfect
grazie
IlgruppoDiDocci 3 years ago 3
N THE PRACTICAL , PAVAROTTI is the only one that sings this rol very well. to him is listened perfect and beautiful, it resonates well in both sharp followed, when he/she says pour mon ame, quel destin", the sharp one in mon and love (o and a) that is difficult, Luciano makes it perfect
grazie
IlgruppoDiDocci 3 years ago
This is the one I have, I think. That nut. By the way, it's interesting to notice how as he holds the final C his sound becomes more hollow gradually, and then as he focuses the resonance in the mask again how it gradually becomes richer in quality again.
GermanOperaSinger 3 years ago
Dear GOS, the recording does these waves of sharp-hollow all the time. Even during the applause!
I don't think it is his voice doing the hollow part. I think I hear him gradually -and flawlessly- sharpening on the way with the note, thus never getting flat and almost creating the effect of a subtle crescendo.
This IS technique. I am astounded.
CONTESTAR 3 years ago
I noticed that as well and thought I was imagining things, but I guess I wasn't. Then again it's murder to hold the High C out for that long.
LordMoe9 3 years ago
Amazing, thanks for posting.... that blasted show-off :P
It's a shame the recording is a bit faint but very good.
ShawDAMAN 3 years ago 3
I agree, it's a shame the quality isn't better, doesn't help that YouTube always kills the quality when you upload.
Mooorhe 3 years ago
again, great... thanks!
OettingerCroat 3 years ago 3