People are incorrectly saying kani basami (and the rest of their takedowns) are from judo, but in fact, they are from the predecessor styles of jujutsu and are much older. I was trained in kani basami, I have no idea why it was banned. It's actually a very gentle fall and a good set up for a knee bar. These techniques were probably integrated into capoeira in the 20th century. Very cool style though.
This is capoeira actually. The move is called vingativa. Very common move in capoeira. But you can find it in other martial art as well, like many other moves....
@TheShinobi32 Im speaking from experience.... i do mixed martial arts witch is incorperating judo, wrestling, boxing, kickboxing/kiyokushin/muay thai and jui jitsu....
if you put yourself on the ground you think im going to wait for you to get up?.... i will moun you and ground and ground your face to a bloody pulp or would you rather a submission breaking your limb or how about a choke? if this martial art was so great you would see it displayed in cage fighting.
@Jersm5 I practice mma all so,taekwondo,judo,boxing,kick boxing,thai boxing,ninjutsu,jeet kune do,capoeira,jujitsu,wing chun,kenpo karate i use moves from all of those what you think you are the only person in the world that knows martial arts get fucking real i have studied in one way or another most of my life and im 35 now but i agree with you that capoeira would not work good in cage fighting usualy but that does not mean it want work at all,it is all about the person using the art.
@Jersm5 i did not say it would not work 100%. there is awlays the chance that a hard enough hit could land on the chin and knock the guy out. i am just saying if you calculate the odds and what will happen aferwards, you are better off just keeping a stable balance and keep striking with faster accurate shots. thats my two cents anyway go for the higher odds its a game of milliseconds.
yah well get off the couch and try an actual form. it's not the form its the practioner. you could learn something from this video. they are helping eachother sharing techniques and not bitching like you are. im a capoeirista.
@11984cross I just got back from 1 hour of sparring with the kyokushin kids class for their new belts... then i do an hour of cardio kick boxing... then i have my Kyokushin class... 1 hour of sparring this time... not to mention i bike there and back....
ok wow. i teach capoeira. and obviously you have learned anything from kyokoshin. or martial arts in general if you are one of those self involved people who think one form is better than another.
@11984cross You are judging a book by its cover again beacause I started at a young age with TKD, jui jitsu ive done aikido and then years of boxing.... ive then moved into MMA and kyokushin... i also do cardio kick boxing. I implement techniques from every martial arts ive learned.... I have the hands of a boxer the speed of TKD and the conditioning and leg skills of kyokushin. Im not saying capoeira is 100% failure. there is always a chance to KO someone with it cap but just very unlikely.
@Jersm5 capoeira was not originally designed to parsay ko someone. it was a way for the people of brazil who were not allowed to fight to disguise there fighting practice as dancing and not be caught. thats why its called brazilian dance fighting as another name. it is effective if practiced every chance one gets as the original practictiners of capoeira did.
@ruckasnuckas17 cool stuff but learning martial arts is fine now so im going to save my money for more effective training.. i can just practice boxing or kyokushin or jui jitsu every chance i get instead of capoeira.
@11984cross sorry but when you spar you are not really fighting.... sparring has no winner its a learning experience for both people... sometimes i let myself get hit just for the conditionning... there are no winners in a spar they dont count as fights. its not like you knocked him out since thats being a dick spar partner and theres no judges to count points.... plus the skill level could be anywhere including weight... if sparring is fighting i have won thousands with points.
@Christoff87 Have you played Capoiera? Its not an aggresive martial art but it is good for flexibility, upper body strength and tactics. I did it for two years and will be the first to admit its not the most effective, but its alot of fun and the women are hot and flexible. Give it a try for a couple of months and see what you think. I could explain why they "dance" but you probably dont care cos this ain't "You Got Served."
if combined maybe can be deadly if u combines some kicks from tkd with some kicks from kyokushin karate with some punches from boxing some low kicks from muay thai and the agility of kung fu u can be deadly
When I read title of this video I expected fight between capoiera and karate fighters. And kinda looking forward to see capoiera guy get beat up by karate guy. Now i feel quite ashamed when I saw this video.
The meaning of martial arts is not fighting for no good reason but making our lives better.
É muito bom ver a integração de estilos diferentes, isso deve servir de exemplo à todas as modalidades marciais, pois nem todos são donos da verdade. Parabéns!
remember the damage the human body is able to take as well as do. there are many of fantastic practitioners of all form's, both men and women and that alone should show you there is no discrimination for the art's only we as a society. to learn from one another and unite in a commonality through a concept of better health, a good moral understanding and a discipline that can be spread through generations. this is what i want for all.
as in all martial arts it's only as good as the practitioner studying it. the art is a guide to make the user a better fighter, but if the person doesn't grasp the concept's laid out before them it is of no use to the person. no martial art is superior or the weaker and as soon as people understand this basic knowledge and learn with an open mind they wont progress mentally it's not important which is better only that you have a sense of fulfillment and come out of it a humble and better person.
ajajaja super prepotentes todos x'D si en verdad practican lgun arte deverian ser mas pasivos :S ademas de entender q ningun arte marcial o "estilo de baile" como lo llaman algunos es mejor q otro, todo depende de la persona en si, osea q tanta dedicacion le dan a ese arte, espero q eso kede claro ninguno es mejor q el otro D: aunq la verdad lo unico malo del capoeira es q al ser una danza igual tiene movimientos innecesarios para usar en una pelea, aunq dudo q alguien se ponga a bailar
well i do shotkan karate, and i know for real what's a capoeira kick in the face, cause i fight whit a capoeirista and was hard to fight with him, cause that kicks comes and do you dont have any ideia from where so..think about before tell that capoeira its a "dance" because is mortal.
@ednelsonsaoroque dont underesitmate the power of capoeira! Capoeirista have spread more blood and gore than your puny karate wars bitch! we split oak trees with a round house kick. we wear black belts around beards that we grow on our dicks! We attack sharks when we smell them bleed, we dont go swimming, water just want to be around me. Our kicks make the speed of light wish it was faster! You guys may have defeated bears, but lions see us as masters!
@ikcjjtt Friend you talked so much crap that you do not even know Katie. I dogo that capoeira is a ballet that today serves only as a sign that physical preparation is very good for body and mind, but as a martial art in modern times has much to be desired, so that is already here in Brazil's second-statistic Brazilian Federation of Capoeira 60% of practitioners are female.
This is great, The sharing of two very different styles. Showing techniques and building in a way friendships. This is what martial arts should be about.
@ScyllaIo I totaly agree with you ... there is few people like you in the world that doesn't spit on others martial arts and thinks their favorite martial art is best
@ScyllaIo I completely agree.I study both karate and capoeira amongst other disciplines and I assure you that (when trained for performance) there can be nothing but extraordinary growth and benefits when combined.
I'm Brazilian, used to study capoeira from my ancestors, from it's purest source: the descendants of the slaves from quilombos communities, and can say that the guy teaching has a very noble and nice intention, but he's poor of talent and skill.
well can't tell, after all, he's teaching, so he's not showing it off I guess...
ajajajaj el enfermo que dice que una patada de capoeira no mataria a nadie no sabe de lo que habla y yo diria que no sabe de artes marciales ya que no sabe respetar a los demas que es algo basico en un practicante de aamm que risa da la ignorancia ajena nunca subestimes a nadie sin saber de lo que hablas
@Jimbo7010Tas its only ineffective if you dont no how to use it. but its very much the same as mmas in that u must be quick nimble n always ready to change.
@Jimbo7010Tas~ Capoeira is ONLY ineffective if someone doesn't know how to use it. Its very much the same as mmas in that u must be quick, nimble, n always ready to change. In the streets one shouldnt embrace conflict but use any means to escape it. That's Capoeira.
I love the takedowns demo'd by the capoeira guys, especially that hip thing that resembles a gung fu one. I'm also surprised to see you guys teaching advanced attacks like scissor legs and ankle picks/single leg takedowns..
what i liked is that is shows that you can always learn from other artial marts... as we see, karatekas aren´t able to execute the jinga fluenctly, but still kyokushin has its own advantages such as strenght
On the Brazilian colonial period, slaves use Capoeira to fight against their masters/lords to set them selves free. And to hide their training from them, they say Capoeira was a dance. Because this martial art, many slaves could run away from the abuse of their lords. Never do pre judgement from any martial art before u try yourself. So.. u can do better?
Well, i think the title of this video is a mistake. what i see in here, as a brazilian and Kyokushin player is... A capoeira sensei teaching some moves for a Kyokushin players. Jus't this. I think people need learn to respect all types of Martial Arts. Is really sad some comments at this video. UFC,MMA, K-1 fighters all need have minimum 3 or 4 knowledge of different martial arts if he want have a chance to win. Capoeira is not easy like people think.
en este video hay pura mierda puros maricos de capoeira la capoeira es gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy malditos de mierda q es esi y q una patada mariposa q mariconada es esa
@danteeselmejor uuyy entonces tu has de ser bien rudo mi buen!!! la capoeira no es para maricones, tiene fundamentos históricos en brasil, y más importante como cualquier arte martcial tiene fundamento; hay que ser tolerantes con cualquier arte marcial o estilo combate :sanshou, karate, thai, jiu jitsu, luta livre, etc
@thesickness619 si pues soy muy fuerte pero no invencible si es por eso me comgo a bailar break dance y le pateo el culo a uno de campoeira y quien dijo q la capoeira es un estilo de combate son solo debilichos bailando
@danteeselmejor la capoeira es un estilo de pelea historico y muy estetico, debo corregirte cuando dices llamar a un capoerista debilucho, dejame decirte que la capoeira requiere mucha energia estamina y condicion fisica una patada de capoeira especialmente si biene acompanada de gran impulso y perfectamente bien conectada puede tener una fuerza de hasta 5 toneladas osea que depende donde te den puede hasta matarte el problema es que no creo que la capoeira sea un bien estilo en pelea real.
@thesickness619 una patada de capoeira jamas y nunca matara a nadien una patada de kun fu si mataria una patada de karate o de muay thai si mataria una de capoeira jamas eso es solo un baile ridiculo para eso me pongo a bailar break dance y le pateo el culo a unos de esos pobres debiluchos de capoeira
a kery probar loko si la capoeira puede ser mortal y incluso peor q otros disiplinas mejor loko andata a labar la boca ignorante tamos ademas q cualkier disiplina es para defensa personal no para peliar tamos cmt
@azulsdb ajajaja super prepotentes todos x'D si en verdad practican lgun arte deverian ser mas pasivos :S ademas de entender q ningun arte marcial o "estilo de baile" como lo llaman algunos es mejor q otro, todo depende de la persona en si, osea q tanta dedicacion le dan a ese arte, espero q eso kede claro ninguno es mejor q el otro D: aunq la verdad lo unico malo del capoeira es q al ser una danza igual tiene movimientos innecesarios para usar en una pelea, aunq dudo q alguien se ponga a bailar
a kery probar loko si la capoeira puede ser mortal y incluso peor q otros disiplinas mejor loko andata a labar la boca ignorante tamos ademas q cualkier disiplina es para defensa personal no para peliar tamos ctm
I usually don't respond to such videos and I certainly don't appreciate any practitioner of any martial art to propose that their art is superior. This is all ego. As for the Kyokushin aspect of this video, and certain comments made about it, I am a 4th Generation Kyokushin from Mas Oyama and have been loyal to my art for nearly 50 years. I have studied and received sanctions in other arts along the way but my foundation is Kyokushin and always will be. Those who insult it, please, do not visit.
I don't know why this video is titled Kyokushin vs Capoiera considering there is no vs going on. This is more of a workout or training video. I too would question those wearing the Kyokushin gi, however, if this is in effect just a workout or training session then that would be understandable. Many arts exchange certain aspects of their particular style. This happens often through many pre-tournament seminars. In addition, I have never, in over 40 years, ever seen Capoira used in competition.
why are those guys practicing capoeira wearing Kyokushin Gi? and don't tell me those guys are Kyokushin practitioners. if they are, then they must be idiots trying to do Kyokushin and they better quit soon coz they'll just make a big shame to the great Kyokushin. they can't even kick properly. and what kind of capoeira is that? that's so lame.
@VagabonNinja first: a butterfly kick is not meant for the groin. second: butterfly kick is one of the easiest kicks to anticipate and counter/evade. Third: It's not very powerful, and if you actually hit someone with it, you most likely will fall. I am skilled with that particular move and compete in sanshou, so I know what I'm talking about since I've been doing Hung Gar kung fu for nearly 13 years ;)
i read the statement from mastre of pure capoeira claims that modern capoeira is too different with original one because already mixed with many influeces of other different martial arts. deeply sorry because my comments is too long n my english is obviously too really really suck. however all my comments is just my personal opinion only. i do apologize if its totally wrong. im just to share the knowledge n opinion only.
@pundektru Capoeira is but 500 years old in its developement. The art has indeed evolved and come to involve aspects of various fighting styles. However, in all probability, the art and in particular the training of capoeira has always had an element of play, teasing and taunting, capoeira was often to be played by friends. Although a martial art, practicioners of capoeira today are not typically driven by the need to be badass fighters, but rather to enjoy the thrill of the energy of capoeira..
to me capoiera is not pure martial art.the real capoeira is from african tribe n have really little bit martial art value/techniques n more on dancing. however now is enhancing by combining with plenty of different martial arts. no wonder from what im know even including in my country most or maybe all of capoeira mestre is also master in many different martial art such as bjj,judo,kungfu, taekwondo,kickboxing,muay thai,karate, silat etc even breakdance.
what can i say even silat is too secret n forbidden to teach to outsiders especilally at the past however some of the silat knowledge is leak out because some gurus teach outsiders regardless their background long time ago such as teaching trough formal silat association, held seminar, selling the books n even the videos. so the plagiarism n copying cannot be avoided.
about scisscor trap leg technique is a common techniques in many martial art such as judo, jiujitsu, bjj, sambo n also including silat. however in silat there have too much variations of scisscor leg trap just watching the silat video on youtube.
the striking position n movement at 1.46' is very similar with silat harimau check harimau minangkabau baringin sakti pencak silat at 0.01' to 1.33' and also video seminar with grandmaster lebe at 0.56'. the takedown n continous movement at 1.49 is also a common techniques in silat especially harimau (tiger) n buaya (crocodile). watch this technique and the variations at video of the custodian of lumpat harimau minangkabau at 0.21', 1.00',1.16'.
the takedown movement at 1.42 ia also same with one of the silat takedown from the ground. you can watch silat suffian beladiri- ground fighting- 1st italian seminar 2007 at 0.44', 0.48', 0.52', 0.55',1.02', video pamacan the javanese tiger fighting system at 2.21'. watch video luke holloway playing with silat in japan at 0.41' n 0.51'. im just mentioned a few video actually more video of silat have this technique. just navigate by yourself.
this takedown movement start from 1.31 also familiar with kali other than silat watch kali video especially from tuhon ray dionaldo for example fcs-king of karambit at 1.16', t.r.i.b.a.l 2008 at 0.18', the fcs puerto rican gathering preview at 1.00' n 1.30', n more. actually have a lot of video of silat n kali featuring this takedown technique try look n watching by yourself.
lot of this takedown variation at video sequence of mande muda silat-guru besar herman suwanda at 0.59, 1.55, 1.45', 2.22' & many more.
this takedown tecnic also included in Herman Suwanda 1996 Seminar if i not mistaken at part 5. where part also including technic to escape from armbar.
sorry to bother. im not want to troll but what can i said this is not real capoeira because its already steal, copy n mix with silat styles. dont deny it because most of the styles shown by this capoeira i didnt see in plenty of capoeira videos. but in silat is absolutely yes. most of the technics shown by this capoeira are general n significant technics from many silat styles.
this isn't actually karate vs capoiera but rather capoierakas who share their skills with karatekas.. but very god video. I'll be testing these things for sure :P some is very useful while some is more for show :)
Very nice. This is a great video for beginners to play with. As with almost any style, the usefulness depends more on individual ability than the inherent qualities of the style. Capoeira is in no way useless. The pacing in this video is good.
probably got asked by the karate instructor. i would encourage my capoeira class to check out other martial arts. and maybe i'll have an instructor come in too
cant compafre martial arts, more than a fight style are a phylosophical way to live.... and die. need to read the best, go rin no sho ( five rings book) from miyamoto musashi, or karate do mi way from funakoshi gichin
Capoiera is too limited. there are so many places in life that it wouldent be affective due to most of the time needing an open space to execute anything. Wing Chun is more versitle but, what someone learns is there choice im just giving my thoughts.
@aRcTiCiZe1 The problem is that capoeira has more or less dissolved from a martial art, into a dance. Capoeira is limited in that it focuses too much on flashy and unnecessary moves, and not enough on practical moves. The martial art is great for what it was made for, but too limited for real use outside of that.
@terdburgalor it doesn't mean that if there's alot of flashy moves and stuff, capoeristas will always use those moves in a fight...I only use moves that I know what's best for fighting...and if you wanna see a real match with a capoerista, type in "mma 20 second knockout capoeira" the dance thing "ginga" is only used on practice and during "game" because it takes up alot of energy, isn't taekwondo has flashy and unnecessary moves too?...540 kick...etc etc..grapplers can easily knock those down.
@aRcTiCiZe1 You could say the 540 kick is unnecessary, but all it is is putting even more power and inertia into your kick. A 540 kick will break through a guard and still have more than enough power to knock you out with the full padding they use. All the kicks in taekwondo look flashy because the spin puts extra power, and the jumping is used to close distance, and originally used to kick people off of horses.
@terdburgalor " but all it is is putting even more power and inertia into your kick." same thing with capoeira although capoeira doesn't spin that much, the more you spin the more harder you can execute it perfectly but if you fail then it's your problem. "and the jumping is used to close distance" same thing with capoeira.
@terdburgalor: 540 was added to the art to look cool in front of judges. there is no 540 in the traditional taekwondo.. I mean if u dont see the move done in "forms" or "sparring", it doesnt really exists in any legit TKD organization. its just used for show. get what I'm trying to say? it's hard to execute in a match. most martial arts has unnecesary moves that's why it depends on the practitioner.
huh. Not what I expected, but interesting to see similarities in what capoeira does and what exists in kung fu, judo, and shui jiao.
vankuen 1 day ago
looks liek you guys in the video train kyokushin mainly am i right? i mean karate guys.
ml210993 1 week ago
Are you guys really kyokushin? Or Judo? because I saw a poster of my Master Jigoro Kano. Osu!
uhuh63 1 month ago
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187BlackWolf 2 months ago
i love seeing a few different styles ;)
DrunkSasori 2 months ago
Capoeira Regional Baiana
CrenteDemais 2 months ago
People are incorrectly saying kani basami (and the rest of their takedowns) are from judo, but in fact, they are from the predecessor styles of jujutsu and are much older. I was trained in kani basami, I have no idea why it was banned. It's actually a very gentle fall and a good set up for a knee bar. These techniques were probably integrated into capoeira in the 20th century. Very cool style though.
elenchus 3 months ago
Yeah...at 2:15 it's Kani Basami , banned judo tehnique....
XenoFTW 3 months ago
Please name of music....OSU!
Patriot1389 3 months ago
@Patriot1389
Hi. The name of music is Lahore Connection . Music by Prem Joshua
OSU!
CheGivara 3 months ago
@CheGivara
Thank you very much friend..OSU!
Great vid!
So cool to see two styles working together without rivality...OSU!
Patriot1389 3 months ago
Gokyo 1895 :-))
belekoty 4 months ago
from 1.31 - this is not capoiera. This is sukui nage, very old Kodokan judo technics.
belekoty 4 months ago
@belekoty
This is capoeira actually. The move is called vingativa. Very common move in capoeira. But you can find it in other martial art as well, like many other moves....
makusaasu 4 months ago
@belekoty
This technique is also used in sambo. Many schools, many techniques, but the motion of one.
CheGivara 3 months ago
@CheGivara sambo is mix of wrestling and judo
belekoty 3 months ago
@CheGivara
True. At first, I thought it was Capoiera, but when I saw the takedowns, i could see that it was actually Sambo. Especially the scissiors takedown.
MynameisAbhaySoni 3 months ago
@belekoty This technique is also used in sambo. Many schools, many techniques, but the motion of one.
CheGivara 3 months ago
@CheGivara sambo came from Judo... so your argument is kinda invalid.
OVERCAPITALIZE 2 months ago
@belekoty I have a capoiera book with these techniques in them. It's not just kicking.
moominpic 2 months ago
@moominpic What's the title of the capoeira book? I would love to read it.
frozenhiphop09 1 month ago
@frozenhiphop09 "The Little Book of Capoeira" by Nestor Capoeira.
moominpic 1 month ago
@moominpic Thanks a bunch. I'll see if they have it at my library. ^_^
frozenhiphop09 1 month ago
@frozenhiphop09 You're welcome. I think I sent a link with a possible on-line download to your mailbox
moominpic 1 month ago
@moominpic Sorry I didn't recieve it. T_T
frozenhiphop09 1 month ago
@frozenhiphop09 posted it on your channel but maybe it didn't take. Oh well. Good luck at the library. ;-)
moominpic 1 month ago
esse profesor de capoeira não pode ser brasileiro
araujo940 4 months ago
Muito bom o video!!! Bom mestre!
cnaz24ei 4 months ago
"Capoeira" is the correct name of this Brazilian martial art and this song is not Brazilian, is Indian.
magnumusico 5 months ago
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there's no such thing as style vs style. but much rather person's personal ability vs other person's personal ability
Tungdor 5 months ago
Ah, now that's the way martial arts should be. Each practitioner showing each other moves to be themselves.
Kiryu2011 5 months ago
kyokushin vs batuka!!!!!!!!!
SempaiVet 7 months ago
They're not kyokushin fighters..
MauricioCantao 7 months ago
its lovely to see people sharing and learning. this is why it is art.
lilnastiaaa 7 months ago
Awesome the unity, the fellowship and exchange of wisdom of these two beautiful martial arts!
Ricardo Mascaro
Shotokan Karate Player Green Belt from Brasil!!!
ricardinhomascaro 8 months ago
All i see is a wierd dancer showing kiyokushin newbies bad techniques.
Jersm5 8 months ago
@Jersm5 Maybe because you're stupid.
TheShinobi32 8 months ago
@TheShinobi32 Im speaking from experience.... i do mixed martial arts witch is incorperating judo, wrestling, boxing, kickboxing/kiyokushin/muay thai and jui jitsu....
if you put yourself on the ground you think im going to wait for you to get up?.... i will moun you and ground and ground your face to a bloody pulp or would you rather a submission breaking your limb or how about a choke? if this martial art was so great you would see it displayed in cage fighting.
Jersm5 8 months ago
@Jersm5 I practice mma all so,taekwondo,judo,boxing,kick boxing,thai boxing,ninjutsu,jeet kune do,capoeira,jujitsu,wing chun,kenpo karate i use moves from all of those what you think you are the only person in the world that knows martial arts get fucking real i have studied in one way or another most of my life and im 35 now but i agree with you that capoeira would not work good in cage fighting usualy but that does not mean it want work at all,it is all about the person using the art.
TheShinobi32 8 months ago
@Jersm5 i did not say it would not work 100%. there is awlays the chance that a hard enough hit could land on the chin and knock the guy out. i am just saying if you calculate the odds and what will happen aferwards, you are better off just keeping a stable balance and keep striking with faster accurate shots. thats my two cents anyway go for the higher odds its a game of milliseconds.
Jersm5 8 months ago
yah well get off the couch and try an actual form. it's not the form its the practioner. you could learn something from this video. they are helping eachother sharing techniques and not bitching like you are. im a capoeirista.
11984cross 7 months ago
@11984cross I just got back from 1 hour of sparring with the kyokushin kids class for their new belts... then i do an hour of cardio kick boxing... then i have my Kyokushin class... 1 hour of sparring this time... not to mention i bike there and back....
I am just stating facts you seem to be bitching.
Jersm5 7 months ago
ok wow. i teach capoeira. and obviously you have learned anything from kyokoshin. or martial arts in general if you are one of those self involved people who think one form is better than another.
11984cross 7 months ago
@11984cross You are judging a book by its cover again beacause I started at a young age with TKD, jui jitsu ive done aikido and then years of boxing.... ive then moved into MMA and kyokushin... i also do cardio kick boxing. I implement techniques from every martial arts ive learned.... I have the hands of a boxer the speed of TKD and the conditioning and leg skills of kyokushin. Im not saying capoeira is 100% failure. there is always a chance to KO someone with it cap but just very unlikely.
Jersm5 7 months ago
@Jersm5 capoeira was not originally designed to parsay ko someone. it was a way for the people of brazil who were not allowed to fight to disguise there fighting practice as dancing and not be caught. thats why its called brazilian dance fighting as another name. it is effective if practiced every chance one gets as the original practictiners of capoeira did.
ruckasnuckas17 7 months ago
@ruckasnuckas17 cool stuff but learning martial arts is fine now so im going to save my money for more effective training.. i can just practice boxing or kyokushin or jui jitsu every chance i get instead of capoeira.
Jersm5 7 months ago
and just for the record i have sparred with many people using capoeira and won.
11984cross 7 months ago
@11984cross sorry but when you spar you are not really fighting.... sparring has no winner its a learning experience for both people... sometimes i let myself get hit just for the conditionning... there are no winners in a spar they dont count as fights. its not like you knocked him out since thats being a dick spar partner and theres no judges to count points.... plus the skill level could be anywhere including weight... if sparring is fighting i have won thousands with points.
Jersm5 7 months ago
Where is the versus in this video? All I see is a bunch of karate guys taking a class in Capoeira.
BandakaKush 8 months ago 9
capoeira ? kkkkkkkkkk
luistifani 8 months ago
237 who dislikes dont know what piece and friendship are.
blackbelt807 8 months ago
martial art begins and end in respect we should respect both art capoeira, karate, etc.
wolfg07 9 months ago
это не каратисты, а стадо инвалидов
TheBugreg 9 months ago
прыжок из ушу а броски из каратэ вадорю и всё дерьмово исполнено
TheBugreg 9 months ago
Capoiera, that's funny! It's just dancing that looks like martial arts. Seriously get over yourselves!
Christoff87 9 months ago
@Christoff87 ........................
ajmusiq83 9 months ago
@Christoff87 Have you played Capoiera? Its not an aggresive martial art but it is good for flexibility, upper body strength and tactics. I did it for two years and will be the first to admit its not the most effective, but its alot of fun and the women are hot and flexible. Give it a try for a couple of months and see what you think. I could explain why they "dance" but you probably dont care cos this ain't "You Got Served."
ninjamonkey169 9 months ago
@ninjamonkey169 basically capoeira is good for conditioning the body, lol scientists even test it
bboyzshannon 8 months ago
@Christoff87 it is martial art to
blackbelt807 8 months ago
Karate guys learning Capoeira... with a picture of Judo founder in the back: looks like the right place to practice!!
iiiggnatiuzz 9 months ago
what's the movement at the beginning called?
MetaIhead89 9 months ago
if combined maybe can be deadly if u combines some kicks from tkd with some kicks from kyokushin karate with some punches from boxing some low kicks from muay thai and the agility of kung fu u can be deadly
osmarchito 10 months ago
no fight?
1111heey 10 months ago
lol i remember when my instructor made us do that plank walk they were doing at the start of the video. its murder but is great for the body
grobmiller 10 months ago
When I read title of this video I expected fight between capoiera and karate fighters. And kinda looking forward to see capoiera guy get beat up by karate guy. Now i feel quite ashamed when I saw this video.
The meaning of martial arts is not fighting for no good reason but making our lives better.
Thank You.
GeorgioSVK 10 months ago 4
portrait is Jigoro Kano: Judo founder?
T73Palin 10 months ago
É muito bom ver a integração de estilos diferentes, isso deve servir de exemplo à todas as modalidades marciais, pois nem todos são donos da verdade. Parabéns!
lucianomende 10 months ago
Some times i think about Ronaldinho when I see the capoiera kicks... =P
Paggemannen 11 months ago
it's good to see an exchange of arts rather than two guys beating each other up.
tkddiuryl 11 months ago
remember the damage the human body is able to take as well as do. there are many of fantastic practitioners of all form's, both men and women and that alone should show you there is no discrimination for the art's only we as a society. to learn from one another and unite in a commonality through a concept of better health, a good moral understanding and a discipline that can be spread through generations. this is what i want for all.
no offense to anyone, it's just my opinion.
God bless you all.
wingchun236 11 months ago
as in all martial arts it's only as good as the practitioner studying it. the art is a guide to make the user a better fighter, but if the person doesn't grasp the concept's laid out before them it is of no use to the person. no martial art is superior or the weaker and as soon as people understand this basic knowledge and learn with an open mind they wont progress mentally it's not important which is better only that you have a sense of fulfillment and come out of it a humble and better person.
wingchun236 11 months ago
Very true . No such thing as a superior style. There are only styles that have advantages & disadvantages, but that doesn't make them inferior
BFF305 11 months ago 2
e ao fundo, retrato de Jigoro Kano, o criador do Judô...
motogaySP 11 months ago
isso é a glogalização: Capoeira sendo ensinada a caratecas da Rússia ou da Ucrânia...
motogaySP 11 months ago
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ajajaja super prepotentes todos x'D si en verdad practican lgun arte deverian ser mas pasivos :S ademas de entender q ningun arte marcial o "estilo de baile" como lo llaman algunos es mejor q otro, todo depende de la persona en si, osea q tanta dedicacion le dan a ese arte, espero q eso kede claro ninguno es mejor q el otro D: aunq la verdad lo unico malo del capoeira es q al ser una danza igual tiene movimientos innecesarios para usar en una pelea, aunq dudo q alguien se ponga a bailar
yop665 11 months ago
well i do shotkan karate, and i know for real what's a capoeira kick in the face, cause i fight whit a capoeirista and was hard to fight with him, cause that kicks comes and do you dont have any ideia from where so..think about before tell that capoeira its a "dance" because is mortal.
AnarcoPunk6661 11 months ago
Capoeira is ballet, Kyokushin is power ...
ednelsonsaoroque 1 year ago
@ednelsonsaoroque capoeira is a ballet of death and destruction.
ikcjjtt 9 months ago
@ikcjjtt pure ballet without cometary you to continue there with his little dance hall
ednelsonsaoroque 9 months ago
@ednelsonsaoroque dont underesitmate the power of capoeira! Capoeirista have spread more blood and gore than your puny karate wars bitch! we split oak trees with a round house kick. we wear black belts around beards that we grow on our dicks! We attack sharks when we smell them bleed, we dont go swimming, water just want to be around me. Our kicks make the speed of light wish it was faster! You guys may have defeated bears, but lions see us as masters!
ikcjjtt 9 months ago
@ikcjjtt Friend you talked so much crap that you do not even know Katie. I dogo that capoeira is a ballet that today serves only as a sign that physical preparation is very good for body and mind, but as a martial art in modern times has much to be desired, so that is already here in Brazil's second-statistic Brazilian Federation of Capoeira 60% of practitioners are female.
ednelsonsaoroque 9 months ago
@ikcjjtt hahahahahah CHUCK NORRIS is the only dude that can do that get real >_<".....lol :P
liquidmist81 8 months ago
This is great, The sharing of two very different styles. Showing techniques and building in a way friendships. This is what martial arts should be about.
ScyllaIo 1 year ago 70
@ScyllaIo I totaly agree with you ... there is few people like you in the world that doesn't spit on others martial arts and thinks their favorite martial art is best
bishketflux 1 year ago
@ScyllaIo I completely agree.I study both karate and capoeira amongst other disciplines and I assure you that (when trained for performance) there can be nothing but extraordinary growth and benefits when combined.
ATACXGYM 11 months ago 22
@ScyllaIo couldnt agree more
capoeiraGuy808 8 months ago
I'm Brazilian, used to study capoeira from my ancestors, from it's purest source: the descendants of the slaves from quilombos communities, and can say that the guy teaching has a very noble and nice intention, but he's poor of talent and skill.
well can't tell, after all, he's teaching, so he's not showing it off I guess...
guilhermesgarcias 5 months ago
@ScyllaIo That is the best response to any martial video on the internet. You can't here me but i am applauding you
pyromegalomaniac 4 months ago
a dance studio this is..
hopefulcop 1 year ago
@hopefulcop huaHUahuAUHa NICE!!!
luizstreet 1 year ago
ajajajaj el enfermo que dice que una patada de capoeira no mataria a nadie no sabe de lo que habla y yo diria que no sabe de artes marciales ya que no sabe respetar a los demas que es algo basico en un practicante de aamm que risa da la ignorancia ajena nunca subestimes a nadie sin saber de lo que hablas
TheMrjohnnydeath 1 year ago
This is great. It is nice to see 2 disciplines sharing each others techinques.
bronx36100 1 year ago 2
this is not so much about fighting but trading ideas witch is why i like this awesome vid guys keep it up guys
Tovash 1 year ago
I love both arts but kyokushin doesn´t have flexibility only brute force... capoeira mind and fast bravo¡¡¡
Revivedwolfhajime 1 year ago
kudos to the karate dojo for studying from an outside influence like capoiera
Yauzu16 1 year ago
@Jimbo7010Tas its only ineffective if you dont no how to use it. but its very much the same as mmas in that u must be quick nimble n always ready to change.
mrznjones27 1 year ago
Capooiera like a dance nice to watch but very in affective on the streets ....
Jimbo7010Tas 1 year ago
@Jimbo7010Tas~ Capoeira is ONLY ineffective if someone doesn't know how to use it. Its very much the same as mmas in that u must be quick, nimble, n always ready to change. In the streets one shouldnt embrace conflict but use any means to escape it. That's Capoeira.
mrznjones27 1 year ago
@mrznjones27 Well said. A style is only as good as the practitioner. And u don't seek trouble u let trouble come 2 u.
BFF305 1 year ago
I love the takedowns demo'd by the capoeira guys, especially that hip thing that resembles a gung fu one. I'm also surprised to see you guys teaching advanced attacks like scissor legs and ankle picks/single leg takedowns..
KAZUSHIKIMINOUE 1 year ago
what i liked is that is shows that you can always learn from other artial marts... as we see, karatekas aren´t able to execute the jinga fluenctly, but still kyokushin has its own advantages such as strenght
thesickness619 1 year ago
On the Brazilian colonial period, slaves use Capoeira to fight against their masters/lords to set them selves free. And to hide their training from them, they say Capoeira was a dance. Because this martial art, many slaves could run away from the abuse of their lords. Never do pre judgement from any martial art before u try yourself. So.. u can do better?
Kunoichi68 1 year ago
Well, i think the title of this video is a mistake. what i see in here, as a brazilian and Kyokushin player is... A capoeira sensei teaching some moves for a Kyokushin players. Jus't this. I think people need learn to respect all types of Martial Arts. Is really sad some comments at this video. UFC,MMA, K-1 fighters all need have minimum 3 or 4 knowledge of different martial arts if he want have a chance to win. Capoeira is not easy like people think.
Kunoichi68 1 year ago 2
was that mr miagi in the background poster? capoeira is a FARCE!
abaddon666bj 1 year ago
@abaddon666bj That's a poster of Jigoro Kano you dumbass.
YoshiroShin 1 year ago
nice do gaeshi. great entry
elenchus 1 year ago
where Kyokushin ?
WMuckaMW 1 year ago
why they not fight hmmmmm! groutyyyyy
TheKindplayer 1 year ago
en este video hay pura mierda puros maricos de capoeira la capoeira es gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy malditos de mierda q es esi y q una patada mariposa q mariconada es esa
danteeselmejor 1 year ago
@danteeselmejor uuyy entonces tu has de ser bien rudo mi buen!!! la capoeira no es para maricones, tiene fundamentos históricos en brasil, y más importante como cualquier arte martcial tiene fundamento; hay que ser tolerantes con cualquier arte marcial o estilo combate :sanshou, karate, thai, jiu jitsu, luta livre, etc
thesickness619 1 year ago
@thesickness619 si pues soy muy fuerte pero no invencible si es por eso me comgo a bailar break dance y le pateo el culo a uno de campoeira y quien dijo q la capoeira es un estilo de combate son solo debilichos bailando
danteeselmejor 1 year ago
@danteeselmejor la capoeira es un estilo de pelea historico y muy estetico, debo corregirte cuando dices llamar a un capoerista debilucho, dejame decirte que la capoeira requiere mucha energia estamina y condicion fisica una patada de capoeira especialmente si biene acompanada de gran impulso y perfectamente bien conectada puede tener una fuerza de hasta 5 toneladas osea que depende donde te den puede hasta matarte el problema es que no creo que la capoeira sea un bien estilo en pelea real.
theotherhalfoftheang 1 year ago
@thesickness619 una patada de capoeira jamas y nunca matara a nadien una patada de kun fu si mataria una patada de karate o de muay thai si mataria una de capoeira jamas eso es solo un baile ridiculo para eso me pongo a bailar break dance y le pateo el culo a unos de esos pobres debiluchos de capoeira
danteeselmejor 1 year ago
a kery probar loko si la capoeira puede ser mortal y incluso peor q otros disiplinas mejor loko andata a labar la boca ignorante tamos ademas q cualkier disiplina es para defensa personal no para peliar tamos cmt
azulsdb 1 year ago
@azulsdb ajajaja super prepotentes todos x'D si en verdad practican lgun arte deverian ser mas pasivos :S ademas de entender q ningun arte marcial o "estilo de baile" como lo llaman algunos es mejor q otro, todo depende de la persona en si, osea q tanta dedicacion le dan a ese arte, espero q eso kede claro ninguno es mejor q el otro D: aunq la verdad lo unico malo del capoeira es q al ser una danza igual tiene movimientos innecesarios para usar en una pelea, aunq dudo q alguien se ponga a bailar
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a kery probar loko si la capoeira puede ser mortal y incluso peor q otros disiplinas mejor loko andata a labar la boca ignorante tamos ademas q cualkier disiplina es para defensa personal no para peliar tamos ctm
azulsdb 1 year ago
I usually don't respond to such videos and I certainly don't appreciate any practitioner of any martial art to propose that their art is superior. This is all ego. As for the Kyokushin aspect of this video, and certain comments made about it, I am a 4th Generation Kyokushin from Mas Oyama and have been loyal to my art for nearly 50 years. I have studied and received sanctions in other arts along the way but my foundation is Kyokushin and always will be. Those who insult it, please, do not visit.
wazhashe 1 year ago
I don't know why this video is titled Kyokushin vs Capoiera considering there is no vs going on. This is more of a workout or training video. I too would question those wearing the Kyokushin gi, however, if this is in effect just a workout or training session then that would be understandable. Many arts exchange certain aspects of their particular style. This happens often through many pre-tournament seminars. In addition, I have never, in over 40 years, ever seen Capoira used in competition.
wazhashe 1 year ago
Capoeira
werleyamaral 1 year ago
why are those guys practicing capoeira wearing Kyokushin Gi? and don't tell me those guys are Kyokushin practitioners. if they are, then they must be idiots trying to do Kyokushin and they better quit soon coz they'll just make a big shame to the great Kyokushin. they can't even kick properly. and what kind of capoeira is that? that's so lame.
miyazakiy7 1 year ago
@miyazakiy7
It's not like anyone cares.
VagabonNinja 1 year ago
first kick could be usual in kyokushin i must try it at next sparring :D
Buczkman 1 year ago
@Buczkman the butterfly kick is useless in combat
Irond3vil2 1 year ago
@Irond3vil2
i checked and its sux :|
Buczkman 1 year ago
@Buczkman yeah, butterfly is just for show
Irond3vil2 1 year ago
@Irond3vil2
You say that but when you catch a butterfly kick to the nuts you'll wish it was called a mosquito kick.
VagabonNinja 1 year ago
@VagabonNinja first: a butterfly kick is not meant for the groin. second: butterfly kick is one of the easiest kicks to anticipate and counter/evade. Third: It's not very powerful, and if you actually hit someone with it, you most likely will fall. I am skilled with that particular move and compete in sanshou, so I know what I'm talking about since I've been doing Hung Gar kung fu for nearly 13 years ;)
Irond3vil2 1 year ago
i read the statement from mastre of pure capoeira claims that modern capoeira is too different with original one because already mixed with many influeces of other different martial arts. deeply sorry because my comments is too long n my english is obviously too really really suck. however all my comments is just my personal opinion only. i do apologize if its totally wrong. im just to share the knowledge n opinion only.
pundektru 1 year ago
@pundektru Capoeira is but 500 years old in its developement. The art has indeed evolved and come to involve aspects of various fighting styles. However, in all probability, the art and in particular the training of capoeira has always had an element of play, teasing and taunting, capoeira was often to be played by friends. Although a martial art, practicioners of capoeira today are not typically driven by the need to be badass fighters, but rather to enjoy the thrill of the energy of capoeira..
TheVacationist 1 year ago
to me capoiera is not pure martial art.the real capoeira is from african tribe n have really little bit martial art value/techniques n more on dancing. however now is enhancing by combining with plenty of different martial arts. no wonder from what im know even including in my country most or maybe all of capoeira mestre is also master in many different martial art such as bjj,judo,kungfu, taekwondo,kickboxing,muay thai,karate, silat etc even breakdance.
pundektru 1 year ago
what can i say even silat is too secret n forbidden to teach to outsiders especilally at the past however some of the silat knowledge is leak out because some gurus teach outsiders regardless their background long time ago such as teaching trough formal silat association, held seminar, selling the books n even the videos. so the plagiarism n copying cannot be avoided.
pundektru 1 year ago
about scisscor trap leg technique is a common techniques in many martial art such as judo, jiujitsu, bjj, sambo n also including silat. however in silat there have too much variations of scisscor leg trap just watching the silat video on youtube.
pundektru 1 year ago
the striking position n movement at 1.46' is very similar with silat harimau check harimau minangkabau baringin sakti pencak silat at 0.01' to 1.33' and also video seminar with grandmaster lebe at 0.56'. the takedown n continous movement at 1.49 is also a common techniques in silat especially harimau (tiger) n buaya (crocodile). watch this technique and the variations at video of the custodian of lumpat harimau minangkabau at 0.21', 1.00',1.16'.
pundektru 1 year ago
the takedown movement at 1.42 ia also same with one of the silat takedown from the ground. you can watch silat suffian beladiri- ground fighting- 1st italian seminar 2007 at 0.44', 0.48', 0.52', 0.55',1.02', video pamacan the javanese tiger fighting system at 2.21'. watch video luke holloway playing with silat in japan at 0.41' n 0.51'. im just mentioned a few video actually more video of silat have this technique. just navigate by yourself.
pundektru 1 year ago
this takedown movement start from 1.31 also familiar with kali other than silat watch kali video especially from tuhon ray dionaldo for example fcs-king of karambit at 1.16', t.r.i.b.a.l 2008 at 0.18', the fcs puerto rican gathering preview at 1.00' n 1.30', n more. actually have a lot of video of silat n kali featuring this takedown technique try look n watching by yourself.
pundektru 1 year ago
lot of this takedown variation at video sequence of mande muda silat-guru besar herman suwanda at 0.59, 1.55, 1.45', 2.22' & many more.
this takedown tecnic also included in Herman Suwanda 1996 Seminar if i not mistaken at part 5. where part also including technic to escape from armbar.
pundektru 1 year ago
the takedown movement at 1.31 u also can found in video syahbandar bambang suwanda at 0.40 n 0.43'. another video is silat demo at 1.13.
pundektru 1 year ago
check video edmond academy juru# 2 buah at 6.39.
pundektru 1 year ago
the takedown movement start from 1.31 is original n common takedown in silat.
pundektru 1 year ago
nice!! every fighter should know another martial arts!!!
brazilian capoeira rox!!!
pawpearls 1 year ago
Capoeira is a fucking dance not a fightstyle!!!
bboyfreefighter 1 year ago
@bboyfreefighter breakdance is fucking masturbation not a dance style!!!
Dunam 1 year ago
for examples at the movement 0.44 its same with the movement of harimau (tiger) silat check Harimau Pencak Silat video.
pundektru 1 year ago
sorry to bother. im not want to troll but what can i said this is not real capoeira because its already steal, copy n mix with silat styles. dont deny it because most of the styles shown by this capoeira i didnt see in plenty of capoeira videos. but in silat is absolutely yes. most of the technics shown by this capoeira are general n significant technics from many silat styles.
pundektru 1 year ago
capoeirista can kick from unpredictable angle, it is good to include few capoira kicks into kyokushin's arsenal.
Osu!
kyokushinfighter78 1 year ago
this isn't actually karate vs capoiera but rather capoierakas who share their skills with karatekas.. but very god video. I'll be testing these things for sure :P some is very useful while some is more for show :)
plowenson 1 year ago
3:05 its heihachi mishima!
TheDelphiman 1 year ago
I love the flow of capoiera, it looks so fun and relaxing. I'd love to give it a go some day.
slugslurper101 1 year ago
Very nice. This is a great video for beginners to play with. As with almost any style, the usefulness depends more on individual ability than the inherent qualities of the style. Capoeira is in no way useless. The pacing in this video is good.
Jammerjoint 1 year ago
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i don't like kyokushin.. capoiera is one of my favourite styles to watch :) but it's not for me :) i prefer styles like WT; Sambo; MMA
jaunasPirdzius 1 year ago
i don't like kyokushin.. capoiera is one of my favourite styles to watch :) but it's not for me :) i prefer styles like WT; Sambo; MMA
jaunasPirdzius 1 year ago
croos training ;)
rrrocha 1 year ago
Is that Mr. Miyagi on the poster in the background?
mdnickens01 1 year ago
im curious to know why a capoeira practicioner is teachin at a karate dojo? :P
LJITLOML 1 year ago
probably got asked by the karate instructor. i would encourage my capoeira class to check out other martial arts. and maybe i'll have an instructor come in too
chross1984 1 year ago
A nice video im brazilian i like this
kaoctisfactus 1 year ago
A nice video im brazilian i like this
kaoctisfactus 1 year ago
i know him,,,he is Eddy Cordor....ban falour mama.
TheThasvin 1 year ago
how is this vs? deceptive title...
Tarclasp 1 year ago
Capoeira will be hard to study.... which is why I want to study it even more.
MrBoynton27 1 year ago
you should. its an amazing art form that changed my life. i can not even remember what my life was like with out capoeira anymore
chross1984 1 year ago
cant compafre martial arts, more than a fight style are a phylosophical way to live.... and die. need to read the best, go rin no sho ( five rings book) from miyamoto musashi, or karate do mi way from funakoshi gichin
ditonguis 1 year ago
karate guys u really don't need to learn this :D
TheNonfat 1 year ago
Capoiera is too limited. there are so many places in life that it wouldent be affective due to most of the time needing an open space to execute anything. Wing Chun is more versitle but, what someone learns is there choice im just giving my thoughts.
drazul101 1 year ago
@drazul101 not really limited cause capoeira also has take down moves and can use walls...etc etc...it just depends on where you are...
aRcTiCiZe1 1 year ago
Capoiera is good but Kyokushin is the best
rotfl9997 1 year ago
@rotfl9997 fail. there is no best martial art, only best fighter.
TheHevquip 1 year ago
What a lame capoeirstats :D
karulach 1 year ago
So where's the combat?? At least thats what 'vs' is supposed to refer to.. Also I only see capoeira and no karate.
paddotk 1 year ago
I'm a karate guy who really wants to try out capoeira. This is a most cool video, would have loved to have been there to exchange ideas.
Shindai 1 year ago
I want to dedicate my free time to the fitness-deadly technique of Capoiera. I need to learn it and I'm Kenya, any volunteers?
Billy2silky 1 year ago
I did not see any sparring or fighting....there is no bad martial art only a bad practitioner haha LOL...
but I really would love to see capoeira in a match....not the thing they call "game" which is a friendly fight in capoeira...
aRcTiCiZe1 1 year ago
@aRcTiCiZe1 The problem is that capoeira has more or less dissolved from a martial art, into a dance. Capoeira is limited in that it focuses too much on flashy and unnecessary moves, and not enough on practical moves. The martial art is great for what it was made for, but too limited for real use outside of that.
terdburgalor 1 year ago
@terdburgalor it doesn't mean that if there's alot of flashy moves and stuff, capoeristas will always use those moves in a fight...I only use moves that I know what's best for fighting...and if you wanna see a real match with a capoerista, type in "mma 20 second knockout capoeira" the dance thing "ginga" is only used on practice and during "game" because it takes up alot of energy, isn't taekwondo has flashy and unnecessary moves too?...540 kick...etc etc..grapplers can easily knock those down.
aRcTiCiZe1 1 year ago
@aRcTiCiZe1 You could say the 540 kick is unnecessary, but all it is is putting even more power and inertia into your kick. A 540 kick will break through a guard and still have more than enough power to knock you out with the full padding they use. All the kicks in taekwondo look flashy because the spin puts extra power, and the jumping is used to close distance, and originally used to kick people off of horses.
terdburgalor 1 year ago
@terdburgalor " but all it is is putting even more power and inertia into your kick." same thing with capoeira although capoeira doesn't spin that much, the more you spin the more harder you can execute it perfectly but if you fail then it's your problem. "and the jumping is used to close distance" same thing with capoeira.
aRcTiCiZe1 1 year ago
@terdburgalor: 540 was added to the art to look cool in front of judges. there is no 540 in the traditional taekwondo.. I mean if u dont see the move done in "forms" or "sparring", it doesnt really exists in any legit TKD organization. its just used for show. get what I'm trying to say? it's hard to execute in a match. most martial arts has unnecesary moves that's why it depends on the practitioner.
aRcTiCiZe1 1 year ago