oom yung doe

[como651]

I can say this much about this school. The physical training was excellent. You will develop your body in a way you don't get from a typical gym workout. However, the training is expensive and only gets more expensive as you progress. The problem is that apart from good exercise, health and fitness benefits, this school teaches little fighting application. There is little free style sparring, bag work and grappling all of which are needed to develop you for real world fighting. 

[como651]

Has anyone in Chung Moo Quan ever competed in MMA tournaments and how effective was it? I always thought the training was good and made a person strong and athletic but it did not teach you how to fight in any practical sense. That was one of the reasons why I lost interest in training there apart from the ethical reasons.

[taihuu25go]

Oom Yung Doeis　korean　reading　of　「陰陽道」

「陰陽道（onmyodo）」is　japanese　curture。

「陰陽道」is　not　martialarts。

自然哲学思想（Natural philosophy thought）, the 陰陽五行説（Yin, Yang and five elements combination theory） that were born in ancient China as the origin,

Natural science and a system of the black art that it accomplished original development in Japan are Yin Yang method（陰陽道）.

[Darkfenian]

The first martial arts I was taught was Chung Moo Quan and I never had any problems like that. My instructor was 3rd generation from Kim. It gave me a strong foundation not in just technique but understanding why you do things and how to apply it. This lead me and my instructor to study Sambo and namely ground fighting. I have used my Chung Moo Quan training in MMA, in the streets, and with military and law enforcement and have had sucess. I'm nost speaking for any school but my own.

[como651]

@Darkfenian How many pro level MMA fighters use traditional martial arts training like low forms, kata and mental forms in their routines? I always thought the physical conditioning was excellent and built your body in a way you can't get out of a typical boxing or health club gym. I still use my CMQ training as part of gym workout. I can't achieve the same muscle hardness and functional strength with weights as I do with CMQ training.

[Darkfenian]

@como651 Well GSP and Machida are both influenced by their traditional backgrounds. My instructor did some amature mma and was moderately successful though granted he had help from his Sambo training. I look at traditional martial arts in MMA like people use boxing. If you go into a mma match only useing boxing you will most likely get beat but if you incorporate the punching techniques into and mma style you can be very good.

[como651]

@Darkfenian Was your instructor in his peak CMQ physical condition when he fought in MMA? What belt was he? I remember some 3rd degree instructors or higher from the 80s who literally felt like their bodies were made of iron. Most of the instructors I know that left CMQ did not continue their CMQ training seriously and they got soft. I'd like to know how effective an actively training higher belt in CMQ would be in MMA competition if they learned some practical fighting too.

[Darkfenian]

@como651 He was a first or second degree black belt in CMQ and started MMA when he was in his mid 30's. So he was up there in age a bit. After that he focuses more on self defense. You would be amazed on how much ground fighting changes when you add eye gouging. I want to do MMA myself but I've been busy with college and want to focus more on my studies though I do keep up with the forms techniques when I get the chance. When I graduate and have a steady income I'll try mma competitions.

[como651]

@Darkfenian If you instructor was not actively training at a CMQ school at the time he fought it probably was not a test of this true potential in CMQ since your strength and conditioning falls off quick when not training consistently and to max effort. He was probably fighting mostly on his MMA training if that were the case. I'd like to see a 3rd degree or higher CMQ instructor in peak form with a year of MMA cross training fight in the UFC. That would be interesting.

[BushidoCode72]

Oom Yung Doe is fake. It also went under Chung MOo Quan and Chung Moo Doe. NO one even saw Master Kim (who went to jail for fraud and tax evasion) ever do anything. He made up half his techniques from Kung Fu magazines in the 80s. I cant believe these schools are still around. I feel so sorry for good, honest, athletic and caring people who still sign up for this garbage.

[tencylinder]

And had left the school years before I ever started. Also, they neglected to state the fact this guy turned out to be a drug addict.

It is obvious that this 'angrywhiteghost' is just that, a bitter hater who cant get over the events of 20+ years ago, and that folks is truly pathetic.

[tencylinder]

The police took me into custody, started questioning me about this body, what a joke that was. At one point a detective came into the room and said Pam Zeckman is stuck in traffic, what the hell is that? They were trying to hold me long enough for the shameful channel 2 news to get video of me in my uniform in handcuffs. I said I want a lawyer, when I did that, they set me free. The funny thing is this guy they found was an instructor when I was 10yrs old.

[tencylinder]

This video and reporting is a joke. This was an attempt by the media to gain ratings by fabricating a story. First look at the upside down pentagram, what the hell is that? A lot of you have practiced CMQ, some had good experiences, some bad, that's life get over it.

I was there when this story broke, in fact I was the instructor who was forced to shut down my school that day by the police, got handcuffed and questioned about this "cult killing".

[patrickhenrysghost]

"Group thought" is just Korean culture as far as I'm concerned.

Oom Yung Do is a load of crap

[JonGZBOS]

idk what all this non-sense is but.. i practice oom yung doe and its done amazing things for me. Asthma Ive struggled with all my life, gone. Back problems, gone. I always feel great and all of my family remarks on the positive changes they see in me, so you can call it what ever you want or point fingers at who ever you want.. but all i know is its good! Best investment ive ever made!!

[RoyalDragonusa]

@JonGZBOS Just getting in shape and doing lots of cardio does that too.

[RoyalDragonusa]

@OomYungDoeNewEngland

What studies? Other than made up propaganda pieces from OYD itself, there are no studies that link a crappy martial art to being some sort of medical miracle.

For every supposed magical health cure OYD spouts on, and on about, I have heard 10 regarding knee, lower back, and elbow injuries that plague former students even decades later.

Honestly, I don't really care about your silly little cult anymore. There is nothing special about what you guys do. Get over yourselves.

[como651]

@JonGZBOS What will you do if you wake up one day realizing you missed out on a million other things you wanted or to do or gave up because you followed the advice of the school. This school has deprived a lot of good people of their youth, education, family, friends, money and time they can never get back. Anything that robs you of balance in your life is not good.

[ChosonNinjaArchives]

Stay away from any martial arts class with Korean flag.

[COACHDAVE01]

I still say there where bigger things than tax fruade with the founder ,and his staff .But heare it's doing some good fore people know . I don't know much about who took over that style after this mess .But sometimes the lord can give you a mess to clean up like this ,and if you believe in him and yourself you can seripously put it where it belongs behind you ,and your school .

[COACHDAVE01]

I don't know what the changs are with this school without the leaders .I don't know if  it changed there ways but back then those questions needed to be braught up , and answered . That could have changed once those people inclueding there founder was arrested . Fore the futer of the school I hope so .

[COACHDAVE01]

One last question to prove the origianal group of Oyd . With martial arts schools there are three rules honor respect ,and discipline . You don't have to have a private life leaving your family ,and friends .Pus to leave you don't have to be punished you can leave on good tearms . All these questions are very wierd because in martil arts fore years this is not normal to me .

[COACHDAVE01]

I will agree tax fraude higher prices arent cult related . But if you'r inocent two questions came up . Why so many ex students reported that Kim , and the origianal group be looked into more seriouse stuff than tax fraude which the other stuff could be cult related .Plus two how come when those other more seriouse matters where reported why did there former instructor Robert Ludden get killed .

[ESPguitarkingESP]

My father was a student of John C. Kim

[WckdJstr]

I was a student for about a year when it was called Chung Moo Doe. The assistant head instructor almost broke my arm and strangled me for about 15 sec in a separate class because another student and myself didn't do a form correctly.

They would have us quit college so we would have enough money to pay for classes because that was most important.

Their instructors are criminals and should be jailed.

[jackofspzades5]

Oom Yung Doe has saved my life. And I'm not a bumkin, its the best money i've ever spent. My mind is strong, and my body is strong. I'm full of hope, love, and a strong sense of self... Just like a real man should be. There is nothing out there like it. Good luck to everyone and god bless

[jpistella]

The name was changed from Chung Moo Kwan after their grandmaster was sent to federal prison. Now it's called Oom Yung Do to make it seem like it changed.

[exfuzeeveryday]

I'm not getting this since the school is called Chung Moo Kwan and not Oom Yung Doe. It seems that someone is operating their own version of the OYD and not the real thing which is not a cult. Yes taking martial arts gets pricey but you always have a choice to leave, take a break if you can't afford it and practice at home. What ever they are teaching at that particular school is not OYD.

[Kippest]

it is a cult, they change the name... if you go to the "Real" Oom yung doe school they even call it several different names listed in their "schools" link... Also I have a DVD from their school that calls it several different names

[COACHDAVE01]

@exfuzeeveryday I read up on why so many people call it a cult myself being in martial arts , and teaching .I can truely see why people called the origianal group , and John C Kim the founder a cult with some stuff they did  especaily frome one article . It wasn't just high priced tax fraude frome what I found out .

[COACHDAVE01]

@exfuzeeveryday Plus it's very wierd why once they start to get reported one of there top men is found dead . If they where truely inocent of those charges that would have never happened nothing to hide .

[sderenzi]

Thank god!

[sugarpuddin88]

The convict, John C Kim, gambled the money away

[sugarpuddin88]

Religion & Scientology are like the fairy tales Mother Goose & Jack and the Bean stalk: Written to help the frightened little monkey's sleep at night

The belief in one fairy tale over another is completely arbitrary - And depends on which frightening story you heard as a child

In reality, people are simply afraid of the responsibility associated with having an "internal locus of control" - Thus, they invent saviors to hide behind when it gets dark out at night

[bunny2haha]

Don't know about you, but I found the training to be excellent. I have probably trained with some who share their negative experiences with the training. In my opinion, many of them are 2 faced. They say they love the training. It is the best thing in the world... then BOOM, the training is the worst. Look in the mirror. The training is not the problem.

[sugarpuddin88]

bunny

Who taught you the word "two faced"?

Are you starting to find that you mimic more and more of your handlers idiosyncrasies in order to "fit in" with the "group think" paradigm?

Why did so many of your handles go to Federal Prison

[raptavio]

John C. Kim is, in fact, a cult leader. The cultists posting in support of the cult don't deserve derision, but pity.

[sergeantjoe08]

This is all stupid. OYD changed my life completely for the better, its no cult, and all it teaches are morals and a way to better your life.

[blystyryng]

the instructor was definitely not speaking straight from Kim's mouth. The system's core (before schools get their investment bookkeepers involved) explicitly reinforces the idea of practice over paying for advancement. the studios that took advantage were wrong, and do not support the true meaning of the style; also, the people who were financially 'victimized' are their own worst enemy :: whether you are the payer or payee, using money to grease the wheels of advancement is not what it's about.

[merk612]

Crazy! I live In NE Minneapolis. I went to an OYD school just to see what it was all about. And teh guy who ran the place was SUPER strange,and I very much felt like I was being intimidated into going there. Id didnt feel right so I left in the middle of our talk and never went back. 6 mos later they were gone. It was very odd, all the student seemed "hollow", the vibe was that of a horror flick inside the place...very creepy.

[BufordStone]

I went for about a month back when they were Chung Moo. Believe me the creepiness only gets worse when you attend. A lot of yelling and students having to bow to the instructor constantly. In my experience they try and break you down and then start raising the price.

[kitsune511]

Funny, all those circular push-ups did that much damage? Amazingly, he was able to demostrate them for this video.

[kitsune511]

WHAT THE HECK?!

This is ridiculous!

I take Oom Yung Doe, and it is NOTHING like this. All the students are polite and the instructors are very polite as well. People cannot make judgements for the entire Oom Yung Doe system because of one rogue nutcase school.

[gratefullydeadly]

I can make a judgement on OYD because this is how all schools ran, in many states, when it was called Chung Moo Quan. I trained with Russell Johnson for years. He is an honest man, was very dedicated, and came forward at great personal risk. I trained at Mpls. school C, in B.C., for years with Instructors Alex, Mark, Kevin, Joe. The dead man had his arm ripped off. CMQ used to teach a particularly nasty technique to do that, if you needed a weapon and your opponent could donate an arm to use.

[zapato2000]

dude...you suck...

[garytelecastor]

@gratefullydeadly I too, knew Russell. I started at the Brooklyn Center school with him when he was still in high school. We worked with "Regional Head Instructor" Alex. Alex was a really sweet guy and he ended up leaving the school and area when things started heating up.

I remember Russ was so young and he really was happy to make it to the school. Alex would let him slide on his bill when he was not able to make it.

He lived with his mom and sometimes they were broke. Were you on lake st?

[bashfulbrother]

@gratefullydeadly I trained under Regional Head Instructor Alex in BC. He ended up leaving. I also started at the school with Russell. He was living in NE Mpls at the time. I was older than he but he was at that time a GREAT kid. He used to tell me about his difficulties in school. I think he went to North.

I left after they wanted $1000 a month. 5th section.

I also trained with a student by the name of Alex who is now a Navy Seal.

[Aetherus7]

I've been doing those pressups for years and 100 is hard but never had a problem. In my system it is called "Iron Bull cultivates the land." And it's done in a more difficult way, instead of popping up after going down, you must reverse and come back the same way you went down. This too is in addition to very strenuous workouts for hours, it aint for everyone, for sure.

[kungfufreddy]

those are actually good pressups known as hindu pressups in mma/valetudo

and i can do 100 of them pretty easy

with breaks of about 20 seconds between ech set of 2o

these guys sound wack but that one particular excersise is good

[mallenv]

Russ probably didn't have 20 second breaks, and it was probably after hours of other extreme excersize. A student at that level typically went in 6 days a week averaging 5 hours a day. It was after the normal scheduled classes that these types of things went on. 1000 kicks. Half hour of something you could hardly live through 5 minutes of before. Then they would talk...