I did start way back in vanilla and I am afraid I am going to have to disagree with you're comments on wrath being too easy. The normal mode in all encounters was doable in a pug. The heroics where not and I doubt you cleared all HC bosses at the time of patch.
During TBC when they released sunwell me and my guild just thought "well no chance of seeing that". Its like releasing DS HC as a stand along raid it was too hard.
I will agree that naxx was a joke and the 3.0 raiding was shite.
Also, I loved the theme of Wrath, it was like snowy and white and ice skeletons etc. And then the fiery cataclysm came out and I did not like that at all. And in my opinion Wrath has a 800 times more touching and awesome story than cata.
For me wrath was the birth of my WoW "career", so I did not get to experience Vanilla WoW and TBC. But I really thought Wrath was a great expansion, so now in Cata I've transmoged my gear into what I used back then, and I am a paladin in t10 and I think it looks awesome and all I do is hang out in Dalaran looking back at memories from back then. However, I was so excited about Cataclysm, cause I thought it would be awesome, so that struck me in the face. Cause this shit is even easier.
i think that the ebst things about wotlk was the amazing startign are of the dk and actaully feeling like this powerful knight of death. Also i really enjoyed the atmosphere and feel of northrend one of the best looking areas in any game imo.
Overall I would have to say that I had the most fun in Burning Crusade, and this is comming from someone who has played WoW since its relese back in 2004. Vanilla was great!...But it was more of a learning experience...When BC came out, I knew my class (Rogue) and I knew my role in the game as a Rogue. In BC I got the chance to apply all that I had learned in Vanilla to my play style...I didn't hate WoLK, but was just ok...Catacylsm sucks IMO.
I have almost given up on the online world, the MMO's today just SUCK SO BAD, NOTHING catches my interest anymore, i end up uninstalling most the shit i play because it all sucks, i play wow time to time but even THAT doesn't keep me playing.
Wrath was boring, but at the same time I think WoW players complain WAY too much. STFU about a Vanilla already. We get it, you've been playing that long -_- Shit changes constantly, just gotta adjust. WoW players don't like to try and fail until they succeed at shit anyways, so idk what all the "it's too easy" complaining is about. At the end of the day, you still pay the 15 dollar dollars a month and are back for more. Just my thoughts, so plz don't troll me...like I would care anyway -_-
Proof that CATA blows is that they are already releasing another xpac. Blizzard knows how bad it is. How many subscriptions dropped in Cata before they decided to start releasing peaks of MoP? Just think about it.
@reverandrav TBH, they didn't know how to squeeze all of the Cata lore. Yay, we killed Deathwing, now what? I hope MoP brings a lot more lore to WoW, and I SERIOUSLY do hope they have more than 2 raids coming after the xpac. WotLK was WoW's peak in terms of subscribers, exactly because it was accessible and it lasted 2 years so it allowed players to keep it cool, and gear up at their own pace.
Im playing in a Vanilla Realm, "Rebirth", its amayzing, Classic WoW its a great game, no welfare epics, no game split in half becouse of resilience gear, no flying mounts, no stupid teleport to instance tool, gear is actually important, every player was diferent gear and is somewhat unique in the realm, some with talent trees. Great community, people actually talk with each other and have to work togheter to achive something, great rivalery between horde/alliance, great w-pvp.
All that crippled Kil'Jaeden event was just silly, it showed some competence from our heroes but still, not a very exciting climax :)
That goes for arthas as well, you feel like you accomplished only half of it all, not all of it. However, they made it so Arthas is stronger where as Kil'Jaeden was weaker for the players.
Even so, the players need to feel like they are the ones accomplishing it. Just like with C'Thun, Kel'Thuzad and all the other classic Raid end bosses
that includes crashing someone's funeral,pulling bosses to capital cities,MASSIVE-MASSIVE world pvp,Tarren Mill is under attack!Tarren Mill is under attack!Tarren Mill is under attack! world pvp in outland is empty and ruined, cap the three in Hellfire and a lvl 85 will screw it.
UGH MINT! WOW is a CASUAL MMO, it just is. Having played since classic, I can honestly say WLK was the best. Cata has no end game at all, vanilla was just get 40 people and derp at a boss and maybe dispell a curse or something. TBC was also bad because you couldnt end game if you didnt start at launch. I really want to go screw with your sov in eve after watching this. 1v1 me at the sun
@VectorXI WTF are you on? Wolk sucked, it only had story holding it up, all its raids were boring and unexicting, and lack any form of skill what so ever the only good raid in Wolk was ulduar and no one did it after ICC . And you could get to end game if you didn't suck, games aren't ment to hold your hand. Most of the WoW community is asking for Vanilla and BC servers, not Wolk Servers because Wolk sucked, and people who liked it sucked at the game, thats why they liked it because it was easy.
@Visser0x the story didn't have an amazing ending though, I was expecting to see all enemies Arthas has made at his fortress trying to dispose of him.
First off, I have to say that the story course was weird for WoW. You crushed the Burning Legion in Outlands before disposing of the Lich King, even though the Lich King was merely another creation of the Burning Legion.
I used to think back in War 3 that, you know, the Burning Legion was the ultimate evil, and they still should be.
@toxicitzi The ending was lack luster but over all story main and sub story telling was great, it get me instrested but not awake. I felt BC was more of stopping illidan (Why? I do not know)
@Visser0x Illidan was a pretty good detour imo, he had a huge force and I don't think it was focused entirely lore wise as much as it was an expansion going out through the Outlands. The lore was like you said, had no direction but at the time, Vanilla was all too much the same.
It seem that in wow, when the game focuses on Lore it fails, but when the lore is just set to have places to raid, it's a success. It's because stories and games sometimes don't make the best mix, especially in MMORPGs.
i lvled 2 characters to 80 in wotlk, and honestly i had alot of fun. it was too easy of course though, but then again it was fun pulling 1/14th of the instance at a time with instant ques lol. and pvping as a fire mage was an absolute blast (no pun intended) i didnt get to raid much though :( but lots of pvping
I raided with Fortis then Exodus thru 3.2 and found the raid content quite a bit easier in 3.x.... the reality is however, the hard content was there, but you had to do the "Hardmode" achievements to compare to the runs like Sunwell and such back in 2.x .. In BC, you needed to have a solid guild to farm current tier, in WotLK, you could do the non-heroic or basic runs in pugs, but only the good guilds were doing the hard modes.. at least while those hardmodes were "current" and not old news.
I used to be a WoW hater when it first came out. I played Warcraft II as a little kid and then moved to Warcraft III and then just talked crap about WoW on bnet... until about 4 years ago when my friends finally got me to play it. Unfortunately I came in just as WotLK dropped. I would like to not think I'm a noob since I spend most of my time looking at old Vanilla places and experiencing the story. I can see how Wrath ruined a lot of that. but at the same time, made WoW playable to others.
@Zimouskii I feel like raiding and PvP gear have ruined a lot of aspects of WoW and the idea of "Customizing" a character is now dead, since in order to prevail you need a combination of skill and a *specific* gear set, which, yes, inherently kills the idea of having a unique character if there's 10 thousand other people on your server going for the same gear sets.
:( WOTLK was the fucking best..... TBC all of those compared to CATA fucking pwned i mean the lich king? the army of the scourge? the helm of damnation and frostmourne? how bad ass is that? DKS are awesome may have been easy but it's fun right? if it wasn't fun why did you do the raid? another thing Mintchip i loooooove your videos this is the only one i dislike. TBC was the best though the raids just had something too them.... idk if it was just me.. but i loved TBC TBC was the shit.
I found WotLK sucked to, but now that cata is out, I feel like it was great. vanilla sucked (too much farming), BC was awesome but I didn't like the Outland, WotLK was actually great (a hero class, Ulduar and ICC, Northrend is the best continent ever, quests were fun ...) and Cataclysm is just bullshit.
Cataclysm is the worst expansion. Srsly. BC was better.
By the way, WoW is not skill oriented. It's memory oriented. Giving the bosses 10 million more health is not reflective of your skill, it's reflective of how capable you are of repeating your rotation until the little bar is all empty. I can't believe Blizzard has so many otherwise intelligent people fooled.
I liked Naxx, Ulduar remains my favorite raid to date, CoC was stupid, ICC was okay, but lasted about 8 months too long.
Lore was amazing. The zones were perfect. I remember the first time I got to Northerend, I was stunned by the design of it. Howling Fjord, the music in Grizzly Hills... even Dalaran, which was only way too small.
BC was still better I think, but god damn, even Runescape is better than Cataclysm.
sorry girl how can u say dks suck? and i agree with the easy dungeons and stuff but icc is awesome and will never stop to be epic aswell as northrend --i love ur cat XD
Wotlk was Decent it was infact easy and kida cool story but my favrite is Orginal becuase it was harder but if u like it hard cata sucks becuase its way to easy and lands fucked up and just everythings way to easy
wrath is best expansion. had best shit. all other expansions suck except mabey cata but i still miss the epicness of wrath. if u like your gay vannilla go play on a private server u noob
Mintchip as in chocolate and mint? or a chip that in and of itself is all mint? do I overthink things yah I think I do, hey you know on that note......nvm
Played vanilla felt like a job so I quit. Played bc felt like a job so I quit. Played wrath loved out cause I could have a life outside wow and still progress. Cata came out turned back into a homework filled job so I quit. Fuck wow
Seriously, why did you even pick WoW when it said there MMORP-fucking-G? Do you not live in the same world as we do? Do you not know how these games are like?..
If you think WoW feels like a job, why don't you try Runescape, Cabal Online, Silkroad Online or Lineage 2 just to be sure about that fact? Just try any of those games all the way to their final challenge/dungeons/raids and tell me after that if WoW still feels like a job.
@reverandrav or even better, play the original from which the WoW concept began, Everquest 1, not 2, 1.
100 man raids, hard as fuck repairment bills and crazy difficult to get gold. Sounds like fun doesn't it?
WoW feels like a job.. at least look up other games in the same genre to confirm your statement, you jerk! You just come in every video and talk shit without any experience in any genre of games, like you're some sort of game's reviewer..
@toxicitzi So I'm a jerk for posting my opinion of a game 4 months ago. Before you put someone on blast make sure they didnt play FFXI I would rather spend an hour a night leveling for 1/4 of a level than play cata end game. All I said was I enjoyed WOTLK end game because I could have a life outside of wow and still progress. So you decide to climb up my ass for saying vanilla, bc, and cata feel like a job. I can be a "jerk" if you like. But I refuse to be a dumbass wowtard like you.
@reverandrav You could always have a life outside of the game you dipshit, you were just too stupid to organise your time or look for a guild that was suiting to your free time. This "I could have a life outside of wow", has got to be the lamest excuse in video games history, you people are actually so fucking stupid that you can't even organise your own time and blame it all on games because you're a GAME JUNKIE!
@toxicitzi How am I a game addict lol. I quit playing it because i couldnt progress in the hour every other day I play games. Bitch I work 6 12 hour days a week. I'm not going to play a game that takes an hour to pull off 1 heroic dungeon. I am sure you game more than I do. mon, wed and fri wake up 12 pm gym 12:30 to 3:30 work at 5:30 pm - 5:30 am tues, thurs sat. wake up at 12pm Muay Thai from 1-2pm BJJ from 2-3 Then I maybe play my game from 3:30 to 4:30 before Work at 5:30. Sunday is family
@reverandrav So if this makes me a game junkie??? Thats an interesting diagnosis Doctor. Go fuck yourself troll. I wont waste anymore time with you. My breaks at work are too valuable to me. Go hump your pillow gamer nerd.
@reverandrav maybe that sentence didn't came out right, let me ask again..
Why in the world would you want to pick up a MMORPG game then..... I can find no reason for you to do that, but more importantly, why do you even care about a game in a genre you cba to play?
I mean, Blizzard isn't the one who set these standards in MMORPGs, their game was even mocked by the Everquest community when it arrived for being Too Easy compared to their MMORPG..
@toxicitzi Oh yea thank you for reminding me of another reason why I quit wow. All the fucking dumbass people like you. Fucking trolls that wanna find something to nerdrage about. I live outside of games. I take Muay Thai I go to the gym and lift 9 hours a week, I build performance engines, and spend time with my girl. Granted she still plays this abortion of a game. I believe the question Im getting at is. What do you do friday saturday and sunday nights? I think I know. Spend them on wow?
@reverandrav Let me tell you something, wotlk had no communication. That's another reason why it sucks, it's an MMORPG that didn't even attempt to focus on the MMO part just like 90% of the MMORPGs today..
You don't know this genre of MMORPGs, You should have never joined it in the first place..
I have a life if you want to know, I'm studying C++ programming to get a honor degree in Games technology at Kingston University of London, and in weekends, I always study books and/or make Assignments.
@reverandrav Unlike you, I know how to organise my time in a Vanilla p. server with a progress guild so that I use only 16 hours a week in WoW. I just grab mats for consumables and partake in 3 raids a week, depending if my studies allow me to do so or not..
You on the other hand, represent the other shittier extreme of players which blame the game for your own mistakes. Maybe you are the idiot who didn't have to waste his time playing a game genre you knew nothing of..
@toxicitzi I wasnt going to comment again but dude your calling me a game junkie. You play 11 hours more a week in games than I do lol. On top of that you treat your game time LIKE A JOB. You organize your time. I DEFINITELY have NOTHING else to say to you now haha. Go nerdrage somewhere else. Like trade chat.
@reverandrav You see? like I said, you haven't got a Clue about this genre.. it's good that you're leaving, Never return here because this is not stuff for you..
I don't know why you even bother, you have a life and hate games that require you to organise with your teammates.. that's all there is to you in games, play something else mate there are more kid friendly games out there that don't require Everquest - like organizing standards.
@toxicitzi I have been playing mmo's for a while. I have more than a clue. Just dont have time for cata grinding. IN wrath I could pull off 2 heroics in an hour and go on about my business. I'm 31 and have lived on my own since I was emancipated at the age of 16. so to make your kiddi game comment doesnt hold up here. I have no problem with the difficulty or getting raids together. I had a badass guild. Its the time sink they put in Cata and everything other than wrath. Now worth my time.
@reverandrav good, fine by me that you gave up on it. but that doesn't make your opinion superior.
The fact that items were so easy to get, what i mean by that is those heroics, that was considered to be a flop because people got into that sort of play style and started whinning about the bosses being Too hard..
You see? lazyness can backfire. I don't condemn you for hating that style of grinding for gear from Vanilla, but you shouldn't Play it either! or more over that, whinne about it.
@vaju79 Rift, FFXIV (Sometimes, Kinda blows at the moment), FFXI. AION from time to time not much interest in it. Most of the time Rift. From time to time I will jump on WoW to pvp and bs with friends on there. But no Farmville is NOT an MMO.
@reverandrav game was never job, only for ppl without skill.... if u had skill in vanila/tbc, u could enter any good guild, if u had good guild, u had everything back then, with so much less time. it was all about skill. in wotlk u could pug 10 bosses with no skill, no communication, with brainless zombies in group..... i gues pressin buttons like tard, useing aoe on trash all the way, is fun to some ppl.........
@legendaryrababa Troll #2. Not one time did I say I had a problem with difficulty. I said it felt like a homework filled job. MANY people agree. How many hours a week do you spend after a patch relearning rotations for PVE/PVP? I had the most fun in WOTLK Tanking in heroics in all blues. Its dungeons like GB that kill the xpac. There are good dungons in CATA just not good enough to keep me interested. 1 or 2 strong CC groups before each boss should be enough. They overloaded it IMO.
@reverandrav hmmm, so basicly by ur reply post, i see u never were near close to real pve/pvp. spending hours on learning rotations? roflmao!! so tanking wotlk dungeons with no cc in blues is fun to u? dungeons like GB are killing xpac? rofl?! 1-2 cc groups before boss? rly? dungeons should be challenge were ppl have to work together to achive something, get to know each other, and become friends!, not just LFG+no cc+aoe all the way +tnx bb = community destroyed - game full of scrabs.
World of Warcraft is a fucking terrible game... Played it since release and it has gone downhill big time since Wotlk. After they added BoA gear it just got increasingly boring. Cataclysm was fun for the first few months now its just the same old shit and pvp arena is bullshit because casters are much more OP compared to melee classes...
Arthas is in there so it can't suck, and to me its the best story of all expansions just epic, gameplay and etc Vanilla is the best still remember my 1st character got stuck on merch on the 1st 5 min LOL ^^
I agree Death Knights do suck. What I liked about Wrath was that the questing was so much easier because everything was so close to each other and the ability to accomplish your questing and leveling was simpler. That was what I personally hated about BC that to accomplish quests you had to go from one end of the zone to the other it just consumed a lot of time.
i like WOTLK and CATA is cool too but 1 of the things that i like about WOTLK are the DK and the history the dificulty well i have gone to ICC alot of times and me and my group cant defeat de sec boss its too strong
Ok wrath may have been easy but difficulty isn't what the developers sat down and designed for... Look at the synergy between northrend questing and the story, look at hoe all of azeroth was against arthas and look at all the great zones wrath had! Thats THE expansion! Pve diffuculty is not necessarily what makes WoW a good game. Go Play a different game God damn
@Mintchiplol I love Cata cus its challenging fun and good money making
i love BOT and FL cus bot its just a fun run FL is a nice challenge i love it
i've played 3month before tbc and all the way to cata quite aat wrath and started collecting the cards then when i heard wrath was done and cata was coming out i was lucky to get invited to cata beta
and i loved some of the bugs i dk why i loved the worgen running wild bug
I agree 100%. Wrath was a shitty Xpansion. Vault = Bs , Heroics could all be face rolled. I didnt play in Vanilla, . I started in BC. We had top earn our gear. We didnt have vault.
ive been a wow player since vanilla but had to take a break for wotlk because pvp sucked so much and i dont like pve. it was ghostcrawler and his team fault. total noobs.
i thought WOTLK was slow and epic, but also yea really easy when it came to pugs. i remember by time i had full epics, the horde on my server were pugging lich king 10. while ive always been on board with a user friendly approach that allows all players to cover all aspects of the game world and experience every encounter freely, i thought the point of an mmo was that you have your elites, and you have your casuals. killing LK didnt feel the same when i knew pugs were doing it.
you are very correct wrath was nothing but a joke but they did learn alot with it and hopefully cata will be way more like pre bc back when shit was hard and world pvp happened and hopefully all the "wrath kids" will quit the game because its hard again now they just need to bring back old av : (
So true. WotLK was spoon fed dribble to get the 12 year olds to play. Successful business wise, so not going to say it was a screw up on Blizz's part. However, if they do the same in Cata they will lose the base that made the game what it is.
i like wothlk because its finally tieing the story line from wc3 into the game, and the level cap of course, and i agree with you that DK's suck ass, and that normals are easy ass shit, but thats why u do heroics xD theyre still boring as fuck, u wabt something difficult start a new alt
Meh, I enjoyed WotLK. Any static encounter, such as a boss in a raid, is eventually going to be considered easy by some no matter what, with all the meta gaming and looking up strats outside the game and such. I do kinda miss the excitement and fulfillment from downing, say, ragnaros, or getting a piece of tier 1 though, back when things were more challenging :P I personally found ICC rather hard, but I see where your coming from. As a Bliz fan you should try SC2 for a challenge :D
I agree.. it was way too easy, but the story was interesting and the visuals where breath taking.. sorta... I hated the armor, but only cause it all looked the same (on the plus side you didn't have to run around in miss matched armor), it got boring after a while.
Wrath was the first expansion that made me delete my toons & "quit." I came back a couple months later obviously lol. It had nothing to do with pve though, it was out of frustration on the pvp end. I'm wondering if all the people saying how easy Wrath was cleared everything on 25 man hard modes? Blizzard always nerfs content after a while so more people can experience it, they did it in BC as well. Epics have become less "epic" over time, but Blizz should still cater to more people with modes.
I completely disagree..Wrath was by far leaps and bounds superior to Burning Crusades...the quests were great, the area was awesome, even the music was kick ass. You speak nonsense, I like Tradechat's show better...you lost a subscriber
@thebarstoolprophet I understand how difficult it can be to hear other people's opinions, especially when they differ from yours. You will be missed :D
No offense mintchip, but everything you've said in this clip speaks of hardcore elitism nonsense. Naxx did become easier over time, as did Ulduar, TOTC, ICC etc, but they certainly weren't one-shot clears as you claim. I believe that's why Blizz introduced the HC mode btw.
I think you need to recognise that Blizz needs to cater to a wide range of player types and interests, and if you make all of the raids too hard then an huge section of the player base will be alienated.
first off i only started playing during wrath, so i have no perspective on the other expansions, but when i hear players who have been playing way longer than me always talk about how awful wrath was, the only thing i can think is that it was not nearly as bad as they say, because well, your still here, and you still played it.
It makes me LOL when people say it was too easy because most people still cant do the hardmodes
in 18-24 months people will be talking about how cataclysm was a pos and how awesome wotlk was.
also, @ people saying OMG VANILLA WAS SO GOOD LOLZ.
no it wasn't, it was terrible - nobody knew what they were doing, gear was itemized badly, trash took decades to kill and you had to share loot with 39 other people
Sadly, Blizzard have to satisfy all ranges of gaming ability. So if they were to make all those raids harder, considering the amount of people that fail day in and day out - People would just begin to straight up hate playing with other people that are not in their guild.
WotLK was my first real raid expansion (I played BC, but had no damn idea what to do) so I dont really have a frame of reference. That being said, even I thought WotLK stuff was ridiculously easy. ToC was........ya.........you already know. Naxx? Well, it was hard for the first month it was out? Ulduar at least had ways of really testing you (IE hard modes) but even those became easily manageable after a short time. As for ICC.......the buff was ridiculous, heroics were lame, and woo for cata
I remember back in the days where only skilled players had epics. There is a reason it's called epic, Blizard! Though pre bc might have been slightly too hard for the average gamer to reach the top, it made the items worth so much more. Anything worth having requires work and that's where LK failed. Also, why the hell are people driving around on motorbikes and so on now? Don't make stuff just to satisfy the very young players as I dont think any adult would want a wow chopper. :S
It upsets me when people say that Wrath was too 'easy'. 2% of the player base have even experienced LK25 HC, which is by far the most difficult encounter created, (Paragon which was the first guild to defeat it, even said so). Blizzard made things puggable because they didnt want only 10% of the playerbase to experience the best encounter like it happened in BC with KJ. If you want harder encounters, go kill LK 25 HC and then come back and tell me it was easy :)
@MuffinMilitiaTV I agree that LK HM was difficult and I believe Algalon was difficult (You didn't mention him) However that doesn't mean the rest of the content wasn't easy. When you compare the "hard" bosses of this expansion with those of previous, it is difficult for me to say that wrath was some how on par with those. Clearing a wrath instance is completely different from clearing say, SSC in BC. If you think Wrath was harder... Idk what to say.
@Mintchiplol I don't think that Wrath was harder than BC, that's difficult to say and difficult to compare considering the diversity of the encounters, however i think it is also difficult to say that Wrath was easy. In wrath they implemented Hardmodes. The most difficult fights in this expansion are probobly Mimiron HM, LK 25 HC, Algalon and i think RS 25 HC isn't very easy either. I just think it's unfair to say that the hardmodes of most encounters, atleast in Icecrown 25 are easy.
@MuffinMilitiaTV I disagree :D Yes, they implemented Heroic Modes; but I believe those should have been the regular modes. You literally had to clear the entire instance on "reg" to do the SAME instance on heroic. Not to mention they forced delayed content by releasing wings in time - not by actual progression. So if you look at the dates between release to clear - it's laughable. The only "guild killer" was HM LK - and that was at the end of the expansion.
@Mintchiplol But the reason they created two versions of the fight was because they wanted the whole playerbase to have the potential to experience those fights. I mean, not everyone who plays wow has the time to join a raiding guild and pull together 10-25 players capable of defeating Heroic Sindragosa for example, however on a saturday perhaps they can join a pug and experience the encounter. Otherwise Blizzard would just be making encounters for a fifth of the playerbase.
@MuffinMilitiaTV Right, but from my perspective it sucks, because they are catering to the casual - and limiting the progression guilds. Look at the 20+ weeks of clearing heroic Lich King the 40+ weeks of clearing hm icc. After 5 weeks of clearing regular content. :(((( I guess I just blame the % buff. lol :P
@MuffinMilitiaTV oh and algalon was a great fight, and Wrath had such potential. But there was no reason for less capable guilds to do it because it didn't have the unlocking power that say, Lady Vashj or Kael Thas ss did in BC. And now they are combating "pugging" in cata by giving guilds "buffs" rather than making the content unpuggable. Which is fine, I understand that wow is a lot more casual now.
Yeah it is a joke. I like My Death Knight as it is my main but leveling it was so retarded easy. As much as I like being able to gear my alts quickly for like ICC and so on but I wish they didn't do it. Then you see all of these noobs getting stuff you worked your ass off for. I hate that lol.
Coming from an ex medium to hard core raider, I loved wrath. While the raids weren't nearly as challenging, I had a lot more fun. I wont forget Vanilla/BC because of the hell progression and screaming raid leaders. I wont forget Wrath because I actually had fun with my medium core guild, dropping Maly is something I'll be proud of forever.
Blizz can't cater to the hard cores, because the majority aren't you. The majority want to experience raids, without the leader rage. Just my 2 cents.
honestly the only thing i like about Wotlk was leveling from 70-80 for the first time and seeing all the new stuff but it got old really quick. Once they made it so you could get a full tier set from farming heroics it really messed up the game imo, But from what i've heard and seen Cata looks like it will be inbetween Wotlk and Bc. Atleast lets hope...
Thank god for Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. WOW will never go back too its roots because its an action adventure money sink these days. I liked Vanilla because nobody played Vanilla, and that's how i like my MMO's!
@ciresmq lol, you must be joking? Even if that were true the rampant 12 year olds would cry more. Does blizzard really want too lose 80% of there subscriptions, or would they simply make a patch that would make em a little more happy?
I started in vanilla raiding MC, it was good time even though I was 1 of the 8 shamans in the raid and barely got any gear. Stopped playing WoW right before TBC game out so I never experienced the so called "best" expansion. Picked up WoW again in January 2010 and was raiding pug ICC 10 runs within 3 months or so. It was a shocker to be cause I was expecting to have to join a guild to even see any end level raiding content. Big let down all and all, getting gear on a tank was soo easy.
In my opinion, even if people in Wrath could pug a raid, they made up for it in Hardmode content, which didnt exist before this expansion. Pugs can clear the instance, but only GUILDS can clear hardmode.
Biggest prob with wrath was nerfs "well o shit this is hard lets cry to blizzard" ulduar was great when it first came out but it was nerfed alas, i loved the story line with ulduar and most of it required skill to complete and now gear is just handed out with no skill required which is a joke and with the new expansion hopefully the players with no skill and the cry baby attitude peops dont win out this time, dont even get me started on naxx lmao and death knights lol
I hate being that guy, you know the one that disagrees with you, but if wrath was so easy for you, why did it take so long for you to do most of the stuff in it?
Heroics, were easier but that is largely due to AOE tanking. Still easier.
TOC is a joke raid.
Naxx is about as hard KZ, maybe easier.
You are month behind the curve of raiding, and I am not even hard core.
@Kevashida Oh I xfered to Alliance almost 4 months ago. Before that I was in an 11/12HM guild at 15%. We just "reset" when we came to alliance in progression, and Mintchip (my warrior) switched to my main! As for your mention of KZ being like Kara, I would disagree totally. Kara was actually difficult, the bosses hit VERY hard. It got nerfed a bunch of times, so maybe you didn't play when it first came out? Idk. I fulled cleared Naxx the first night i was 80 when wrath came out. Fail imo.
@Deathheads69 I have to agree, and I'll explain why. Vanilla was a bit too hard and didn't involve most players in the end-game stuff. It had a lot of cool stuff, but I didn't really get to experience most of it till I had a lv 70, much of it not till I had an 80 and could go by myself. BC was more involving to the layperson while still giving a sense of accomplishment over doing well.
@Deathheads69 I can't agree to that, we got sent to annother planet, alliance got aliens arriving in a space ship as their new race... :s
Over all BC was pretty boring even if the content was not that easy to pug, but I rather have an awesome yet rather easy raid instance like Ulduar over SSC that went boring so much faster.
Hopefully we will get a better balance in Cata between intressting content and them being reasonable challenging.
Vanilla FTW! BC was pretty cool, but nothing can compare to the awesomeness of vanilla. I don't like how easy the game currently is and how gear is handed out like candy.
What i hate in WOTLK is the gear progression system. In BC u had to start at Kara and work ur gear up to end game content. At the end of BC u still had guilds running Kara. Now everyones running ICC which is endgame content.lol. and Nax and Ulduar are useless do to the triumph gear u get from heroic dungeons.
Vanilla all the way, might of hated the trash of the raids back then, but Dam!!! did I love it when my guild downed c'thun it took us so long to down that boss, but the reward from finally downing it was great. Everyone was jumping up and down screaming in vent. I just loved Vanilla =)
Who the fuck on planet earth gives a god damn SHIT about what you think!§?????
Iceballoon20 2 days ago
the best expantion? none, Vanilla FTW
CatroiOz 3 days ago
WoW as a whole is to easy, it's a social game.
it doesn't require skill, it requires you to just play it.
not for me, obviously there over 10 million or so that like to pay to talk to their friends online.
demaciu88 1 month ago
I did start way back in vanilla and I am afraid I am going to have to disagree with you're comments on wrath being too easy. The normal mode in all encounters was doable in a pug. The heroics where not and I doubt you cleared all HC bosses at the time of patch.
During TBC when they released sunwell me and my guild just thought "well no chance of seeing that". Its like releasing DS HC as a stand along raid it was too hard.
I will agree that naxx was a joke and the 3.0 raiding was shite.
Marco2242K 1 month ago
Also, I loved the theme of Wrath, it was like snowy and white and ice skeletons etc. And then the fiery cataclysm came out and I did not like that at all. And in my opinion Wrath has a 800 times more touching and awesome story than cata.
Oxrain 1 month ago
For me wrath was the birth of my WoW "career", so I did not get to experience Vanilla WoW and TBC. But I really thought Wrath was a great expansion, so now in Cata I've transmoged my gear into what I used back then, and I am a paladin in t10 and I think it looks awesome and all I do is hang out in Dalaran looking back at memories from back then. However, I was so excited about Cataclysm, cause I thought it would be awesome, so that struck me in the face. Cause this shit is even easier.
Oxrain 1 month ago
i think that the ebst things about wotlk was the amazing startign are of the dk and actaully feeling like this powerful knight of death. Also i really enjoyed the atmosphere and feel of northrend one of the best looking areas in any game imo.
TheRandomGuyNextDoor 2 months ago
Overall I would have to say that I had the most fun in Burning Crusade, and this is comming from someone who has played WoW since its relese back in 2004. Vanilla was great!...But it was more of a learning experience...When BC came out, I knew my class (Rogue) and I knew my role in the game as a Rogue. In BC I got the chance to apply all that I had learned in Vanilla to my play style...I didn't hate WoLK, but was just ok...Catacylsm sucks IMO.
MercuryMorrison1 2 months ago
TBH i think WOTLK was the best expansion and i have played since Vanilla... Story was great, Ulduar was great and ICC was great in my opinion
Hobol33t 2 months ago
I have almost given up on the online world, the MMO's today just SUCK SO BAD, NOTHING catches my interest anymore, i end up uninstalling most the shit i play because it all sucks, i play wow time to time but even THAT doesn't keep me playing.
Aranel1200 3 months ago
Wrath was boring, but at the same time I think WoW players complain WAY too much. STFU about a Vanilla already. We get it, you've been playing that long -_- Shit changes constantly, just gotta adjust. WoW players don't like to try and fail until they succeed at shit anyways, so idk what all the "it's too easy" complaining is about. At the end of the day, you still pay the 15 dollar dollars a month and are back for more. Just my thoughts, so plz don't troll me...like I would care anyway -_-
TopCityPrince 3 months ago
Wotlk was and awesume expansion, . Northrend was so beautiful and everything was perfect.
MalirPvP 3 months ago
Proof that CATA blows is that they are already releasing another xpac. Blizzard knows how bad it is. How many subscriptions dropped in Cata before they decided to start releasing peaks of MoP? Just think about it.
reverandrav 4 months ago
@reverandrav TBH, they didn't know how to squeeze all of the Cata lore. Yay, we killed Deathwing, now what? I hope MoP brings a lot more lore to WoW, and I SERIOUSLY do hope they have more than 2 raids coming after the xpac. WotLK was WoW's peak in terms of subscribers, exactly because it was accessible and it lasted 2 years so it allowed players to keep it cool, and gear up at their own pace.
efusiongaming 4 months ago
@reverandrav Lolno. Blizz sped it up because people wanted faster expansions.
MinecraftPlanetChan 2 months ago
And then this poster played cataclysm and didn't know how wrong she was: The game will not get better.
GoblinsnHobbits 4 months ago
Im playing in a Vanilla Realm, "Rebirth", its amayzing, Classic WoW its a great game, no welfare epics, no game split in half becouse of resilience gear, no flying mounts, no stupid teleport to instance tool, gear is actually important, every player was diferent gear and is somewhat unique in the realm, some with talent trees. Great community, people actually talk with each other and have to work togheter to achive something, great rivalery between horde/alliance, great w-pvp.
vaju79 4 months ago 2
@vaju79 and that is what wow was all about, my friend! wotlk players will never learn that!!!
legendaryrababa 4 months ago
All that crippled Kil'Jaeden event was just silly, it showed some competence from our heroes but still, not a very exciting climax :)
That goes for arthas as well, you feel like you accomplished only half of it all, not all of it. However, they made it so Arthas is stronger where as Kil'Jaeden was weaker for the players.
Even so, the players need to feel like they are the ones accomplishing it. Just like with C'Thun, Kel'Thuzad and all the other classic Raid end bosses
toxicitzi 4 months ago
Wrath was Really good Cata sucks
RandomBananas13 4 months ago
Vanilla WoW 10/10
BC WoW 10/10
Wrath WoW 5/10
Cata WoW 2/10
i feel im being pretty generous with wrath but thats only cause i did like the story and lore behind it. and cata i just have no comment on that
MickKick69 4 months ago
i got that exact same cat! except mine is cuter :3
HecticComments 5 months ago
I missed 90% of the golden age of WoW
that includes crashing someone's funeral,pulling bosses to capital cities,MASSIVE-MASSIVE world pvp,Tarren Mill is under attack!Tarren Mill is under attack!Tarren Mill is under attack! world pvp in outland is empty and ruined, cap the three in Hellfire and a lvl 85 will screw it.
if you were me,should I quit? Y/N
shan9usfc 5 months ago
@shan9usfc forgot to mention capital city raids?
shan9usfc 5 months ago
@shan9usfc Quit. Now.
RoyPwnz 5 months ago
UGH MINT! WOW is a CASUAL MMO, it just is. Having played since classic, I can honestly say WLK was the best. Cata has no end game at all, vanilla was just get 40 people and derp at a boss and maybe dispell a curse or something. TBC was also bad because you couldnt end game if you didnt start at launch. I really want to go screw with your sov in eve after watching this. 1v1 me at the sun
VectorXI 5 months ago
@VectorXI WTF are you on? Wolk sucked, it only had story holding it up, all its raids were boring and unexicting, and lack any form of skill what so ever the only good raid in Wolk was ulduar and no one did it after ICC . And you could get to end game if you didn't suck, games aren't ment to hold your hand. Most of the WoW community is asking for Vanilla and BC servers, not Wolk Servers because Wolk sucked, and people who liked it sucked at the game, thats why they liked it because it was easy.
Visser0x 4 months ago
@Visser0x the story didn't have an amazing ending though, I was expecting to see all enemies Arthas has made at his fortress trying to dispose of him.
First off, I have to say that the story course was weird for WoW. You crushed the Burning Legion in Outlands before disposing of the Lich King, even though the Lich King was merely another creation of the Burning Legion.
I used to think back in War 3 that, you know, the Burning Legion was the ultimate evil, and they still should be.
toxicitzi 4 months ago
@toxicitzi The ending was lack luster but over all story main and sub story telling was great, it get me instrested but not awake. I felt BC was more of stopping illidan (Why? I do not know)
Visser0x 4 months ago
@Visser0x Illidan was a pretty good detour imo, he had a huge force and I don't think it was focused entirely lore wise as much as it was an expansion going out through the Outlands. The lore was like you said, had no direction but at the time, Vanilla was all too much the same.
It seem that in wow, when the game focuses on Lore it fails, but when the lore is just set to have places to raid, it's a success. It's because stories and games sometimes don't make the best mix, especially in MMORPGs.
toxicitzi 4 months ago
Started in bc and LOVED it, got up to 1/6 sunwell before wrath hit. I quit wrath after they nerfed ulduar and found it extremely boring.
bc 9/10
wotlk 2/10
cata 1/10
killer939 6 months ago
TBC the best one
trilerkiler 6 months ago
In rates of 1-10
Vannila= 23/10
TBC=13/10
Wrath= -100/10
Cataclysm= 8/10
emrtss 6 months ago
i lvled 2 characters to 80 in wotlk, and honestly i had alot of fun. it was too easy of course though, but then again it was fun pulling 1/14th of the instance at a time with instant ques lol. and pvping as a fire mage was an absolute blast (no pun intended) i didnt get to raid much though :( but lots of pvping
chubbs636 6 months ago
If you didn't clear all the raids on 25m hc you can't say anything. People should be able to pug because they can't plan their week around a game.
thorsalech 6 months ago
you are stupid im a donor at wrath of the lichking this game is clerli the beast game in the world wow burning crusade sucks and vanilla too.
TheDusan14 6 months ago
I raided with Fortis then Exodus thru 3.2 and found the raid content quite a bit easier in 3.x.... the reality is however, the hard content was there, but you had to do the "Hardmode" achievements to compare to the runs like Sunwell and such back in 2.x .. In BC, you needed to have a solid guild to farm current tier, in WotLK, you could do the non-heroic or basic runs in pugs, but only the good guilds were doing the hard modes.. at least while those hardmodes were "current" and not old news.
CE750 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
THIS VIDEO IS FAKE!
She isn't filming in the kitchen...
narutome2009 6 months ago
Fuck this game Im gona get somethin to eat. Peace
Saltukcan 6 months ago
Vanilla/TBC = win
EliteReject 6 months ago
I used to be a WoW hater when it first came out. I played Warcraft II as a little kid and then moved to Warcraft III and then just talked crap about WoW on bnet... until about 4 years ago when my friends finally got me to play it. Unfortunately I came in just as WotLK dropped. I would like to not think I'm a noob since I spend most of my time looking at old Vanilla places and experiencing the story. I can see how Wrath ruined a lot of that. but at the same time, made WoW playable to others.
Zimouskii 6 months ago
@Zimouskii I feel like raiding and PvP gear have ruined a lot of aspects of WoW and the idea of "Customizing" a character is now dead, since in order to prevail you need a combination of skill and a *specific* gear set, which, yes, inherently kills the idea of having a unique character if there's 10 thousand other people on your server going for the same gear sets.
Zimouskii 6 months ago
@Zimouskii ps. Just found your videos today, and I love them. Great insight!
Zimouskii 6 months ago
i hate cataclysm so much (it's like an "Interactive Story Book" :) ) , wotlk is kinda.. easy (same ISB :D), tbc and vanilla are both good for me.
Zoldi77 6 months ago
:( WOTLK was the fucking best..... TBC all of those compared to CATA fucking pwned i mean the lich king? the army of the scourge? the helm of damnation and frostmourne? how bad ass is that? DKS are awesome may have been easy but it's fun right? if it wasn't fun why did you do the raid? another thing Mintchip i loooooove your videos this is the only one i dislike. TBC was the best though the raids just had something too them.... idk if it was just me.. but i loved TBC TBC was the shit.
Mackin78 6 months ago
WHY WONT YOU PLAY WITH ANYTHING!!!! LOL reminds me of my cat
DannyBoredoms 6 months ago
I found WotLK sucked to, but now that cata is out, I feel like it was great. vanilla sucked (too much farming), BC was awesome but I didn't like the Outland, WotLK was actually great (a hero class, Ulduar and ICC, Northrend is the best continent ever, quests were fun ...) and Cataclysm is just bullshit.
Toini01 6 months ago
WotLK was definitely the worst but I feel they fixed everything with Cata.
evoxpisces 6 months ago
Cataclysm is the worst expansion. Srsly. BC was better.
By the way, WoW is not skill oriented. It's memory oriented. Giving the bosses 10 million more health is not reflective of your skill, it's reflective of how capable you are of repeating your rotation until the little bar is all empty. I can't believe Blizzard has so many otherwise intelligent people fooled.
Decimus78 7 months ago
I liked Naxx, Ulduar remains my favorite raid to date, CoC was stupid, ICC was okay, but lasted about 8 months too long.
Lore was amazing. The zones were perfect. I remember the first time I got to Northerend, I was stunned by the design of it. Howling Fjord, the music in Grizzly Hills... even Dalaran, which was only way too small.
BC was still better I think, but god damn, even Runescape is better than Cataclysm.
PoliticalHell 7 months ago
TBC ftw :D
theohmightyniffum 7 months ago
sorry girl how can u say dks suck? and i agree with the easy dungeons and stuff but icc is awesome and will never stop to be epic aswell as northrend --i love ur cat XD
pocopocoenjuegosdan 7 months ago
Wotlk was Decent it was infact easy and kida cool story but my favrite is Orginal becuase it was harder but if u like it hard cata sucks becuase its way to easy and lands fucked up and just everythings way to easy
MrTurkey1953 7 months ago
northrend was pretty epic tbh so i liked wotlk
and yes, the heroics werent that hard (some were pretty challenging tho) but they werent bad either
but i dont understand why people say the raids were easy
yes naxxramas mustve been a joke if you were in a good guild
but ICC hc25 had some very hard fights
even the best guilds in the world spent weeks and months trying to down all the bosses so Im not buying this "wrath was so easy" no it wasnt THAT easy
noldorian86 7 months ago
@theholyrussian WTF YOU LIKE CATA? SHAME ON YOU
Ko878MBat 8 months ago
on what realm are u playing?
vaajpiens 8 months ago
wrath is best expansion. had best shit. all other expansions suck except mabey cata but i still miss the epicness of wrath. if u like your gay vannilla go play on a private server u noob
theholyrussian 8 months ago
All her talking, death knights and the like, I want to give her a chocolate baby.
I'm not dismissing you now, I know you're into games and you make good points, but hey, men are men eh? You're pretty. :)
Death knights did suck btw.
orasis 8 months ago
Mintchip as in chocolate and mint? or a chip that in and of itself is all mint? do I overthink things yah I think I do, hey you know on that note......nvm
koffinkat666 9 months ago
Played vanilla felt like a job so I quit. Played bc felt like a job so I quit. Played wrath loved out cause I could have a life outside wow and still progress. Cata came out turned back into a homework filled job so I quit. Fuck wow
reverandrav 9 months ago 11
@reverandrav wrong I was having fun in vanilla and TBC without rading and farming like a mad man. And quited in wrath cus it SUCKED SO BAD
HoldThisHandTightly 6 months ago
@reverandrav Welcome to the world of MMORPGs..
Seriously, why did you even pick WoW when it said there MMORP-fucking-G? Do you not live in the same world as we do? Do you not know how these games are like?..
If you think WoW feels like a job, why don't you try Runescape, Cabal Online, Silkroad Online or Lineage 2 just to be sure about that fact? Just try any of those games all the way to their final challenge/dungeons/raids and tell me after that if WoW still feels like a job.
toxicitzi 4 months ago
@reverandrav or even better, play the original from which the WoW concept began, Everquest 1, not 2, 1.
100 man raids, hard as fuck repairment bills and crazy difficult to get gold. Sounds like fun doesn't it?
WoW feels like a job.. at least look up other games in the same genre to confirm your statement, you jerk! You just come in every video and talk shit without any experience in any genre of games, like you're some sort of game's reviewer..
Well, you aren't. So shut the hell up.
toxicitzi 4 months ago
@toxicitzi So I'm a jerk for posting my opinion of a game 4 months ago. Before you put someone on blast make sure they didnt play FFXI I would rather spend an hour a night leveling for 1/4 of a level than play cata end game. All I said was I enjoyed WOTLK end game because I could have a life outside of wow and still progress. So you decide to climb up my ass for saying vanilla, bc, and cata feel like a job. I can be a "jerk" if you like. But I refuse to be a dumbass wowtard like you.
reverandrav 4 months ago
@reverandrav You could always have a life outside of the game you dipshit, you were just too stupid to organise your time or look for a guild that was suiting to your free time. This "I could have a life outside of wow", has got to be the lamest excuse in video games history, you people are actually so fucking stupid that you can't even organise your own time and blame it all on games because you're a GAME JUNKIE!
You are no different from drug addicts!
toxicitzi 4 months ago
@toxicitzi How am I a game addict lol. I quit playing it because i couldnt progress in the hour every other day I play games. Bitch I work 6 12 hour days a week. I'm not going to play a game that takes an hour to pull off 1 heroic dungeon. I am sure you game more than I do. mon, wed and fri wake up 12 pm gym 12:30 to 3:30 work at 5:30 pm - 5:30 am tues, thurs sat. wake up at 12pm Muay Thai from 1-2pm BJJ from 2-3 Then I maybe play my game from 3:30 to 4:30 before Work at 5:30. Sunday is family
reverandrav 4 months ago
@reverandrav So if this makes me a game junkie??? Thats an interesting diagnosis Doctor. Go fuck yourself troll. I wont waste anymore time with you. My breaks at work are too valuable to me. Go hump your pillow gamer nerd.
reverandrav 4 months ago
@reverandrav maybe that sentence didn't came out right, let me ask again..
Why in the world would you want to pick up a MMORPG game then..... I can find no reason for you to do that, but more importantly, why do you even care about a game in a genre you cba to play?
I mean, Blizzard isn't the one who set these standards in MMORPGs, their game was even mocked by the Everquest community when it arrived for being Too Easy compared to their MMORPG..
toxicitzi 4 months ago
@toxicitzi Oh yea thank you for reminding me of another reason why I quit wow. All the fucking dumbass people like you. Fucking trolls that wanna find something to nerdrage about. I live outside of games. I take Muay Thai I go to the gym and lift 9 hours a week, I build performance engines, and spend time with my girl. Granted she still plays this abortion of a game. I believe the question Im getting at is. What do you do friday saturday and sunday nights? I think I know. Spend them on wow?
reverandrav 4 months ago
@reverandrav Let me tell you something, wotlk had no communication. That's another reason why it sucks, it's an MMORPG that didn't even attempt to focus on the MMO part just like 90% of the MMORPGs today..
You don't know this genre of MMORPGs, You should have never joined it in the first place..
I have a life if you want to know, I'm studying C++ programming to get a honor degree in Games technology at Kingston University of London, and in weekends, I always study books and/or make Assignments.
toxicitzi 4 months ago
@reverandrav Unlike you, I know how to organise my time in a Vanilla p. server with a progress guild so that I use only 16 hours a week in WoW. I just grab mats for consumables and partake in 3 raids a week, depending if my studies allow me to do so or not..
You on the other hand, represent the other shittier extreme of players which blame the game for your own mistakes. Maybe you are the idiot who didn't have to waste his time playing a game genre you knew nothing of..
toxicitzi 4 months ago
@toxicitzi I wasnt going to comment again but dude your calling me a game junkie. You play 11 hours more a week in games than I do lol. On top of that you treat your game time LIKE A JOB. You organize your time. I DEFINITELY have NOTHING else to say to you now haha. Go nerdrage somewhere else. Like trade chat.
reverandrav 4 months ago
@reverandrav You see? like I said, you haven't got a Clue about this genre.. it's good that you're leaving, Never return here because this is not stuff for you..
I don't know why you even bother, you have a life and hate games that require you to organise with your teammates.. that's all there is to you in games, play something else mate there are more kid friendly games out there that don't require Everquest - like organizing standards.
toxicitzi 4 months ago
@toxicitzi I have been playing mmo's for a while. I have more than a clue. Just dont have time for cata grinding. IN wrath I could pull off 2 heroics in an hour and go on about my business. I'm 31 and have lived on my own since I was emancipated at the age of 16. so to make your kiddi game comment doesnt hold up here. I have no problem with the difficulty or getting raids together. I had a badass guild. Its the time sink they put in Cata and everything other than wrath. Now worth my time.
reverandrav 4 months ago
@reverandrav good, fine by me that you gave up on it. but that doesn't make your opinion superior.
The fact that items were so easy to get, what i mean by that is those heroics, that was considered to be a flop because people got into that sort of play style and started whinning about the bosses being Too hard..
You see? lazyness can backfire. I don't condemn you for hating that style of grinding for gear from Vanilla, but you shouldn't Play it either! or more over that, whinne about it.
toxicitzi 4 months ago
@reverandrav Again, if it's not your game it's just never going to be your game.. You will hate it later as much as you hate it now.
toxicitzi 4 months ago
@reverandrav wrath was like playing wow with mongoloite mode active, sorry but you don't belong in the MMORPG genre.
vaju79 4 months ago
@vaju79 Troll #1, I belong where ever the fuck I plant my 2 feet. I still play other MMO's and I do just fine in them.
reverandrav 4 months ago
@reverandrav let me guess, farmville?
vaju79 4 months ago
@vaju79 Rift, FFXIV (Sometimes, Kinda blows at the moment), FFXI. AION from time to time not much interest in it. Most of the time Rift. From time to time I will jump on WoW to pvp and bs with friends on there. But no Farmville is NOT an MMO.
reverandrav 4 months ago
@reverandrav game was never job, only for ppl without skill.... if u had skill in vanila/tbc, u could enter any good guild, if u had good guild, u had everything back then, with so much less time. it was all about skill. in wotlk u could pug 10 bosses with no skill, no communication, with brainless zombies in group..... i gues pressin buttons like tard, useing aoe on trash all the way, is fun to some ppl.........
legendaryrababa 4 months ago
@legendaryrababa Troll #2. Not one time did I say I had a problem with difficulty. I said it felt like a homework filled job. MANY people agree. How many hours a week do you spend after a patch relearning rotations for PVE/PVP? I had the most fun in WOTLK Tanking in heroics in all blues. Its dungeons like GB that kill the xpac. There are good dungons in CATA just not good enough to keep me interested. 1 or 2 strong CC groups before each boss should be enough. They overloaded it IMO.
reverandrav 4 months ago
@reverandrav hmmm, so basicly by ur reply post, i see u never were near close to real pve/pvp. spending hours on learning rotations? roflmao!! so tanking wotlk dungeons with no cc in blues is fun to u? dungeons like GB are killing xpac? rofl?! 1-2 cc groups before boss? rly? dungeons should be challenge were ppl have to work together to achive something, get to know each other, and become friends!, not just LFG+no cc+aoe all the way +tnx bb = community destroyed - game full of scrabs.
legendaryrababa 4 months ago
World of Warcraft is a fucking terrible game... Played it since release and it has gone downhill big time since Wotlk. After they added BoA gear it just got increasingly boring. Cataclysm was fun for the first few months now its just the same old shit and pvp arena is bullshit because casters are much more OP compared to melee classes...
Goldenfuzzy 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
this girl need a B=====D
Serubis 9 months ago
The jumpcuts make you look like some talentless youtuber, like phil defranco lol, not that you suck, love ya! But just my observation.
thepwnofwow 10 months ago
Arthas is in there so it can't suck, and to me its the best story of all expansions just epic, gameplay and etc Vanilla is the best still remember my 1st character got stuck on merch on the 1st 5 min LOL ^^
InferusExitium 10 months ago
I agree Death Knights do suck. What I liked about Wrath was that the questing was so much easier because everything was so close to each other and the ability to accomplish your questing and leveling was simpler. That was what I personally hated about BC that to accomplish quests you had to go from one end of the zone to the other it just consumed a lot of time.
smdelta4 11 months ago
i like WOTLK and CATA is cool too but 1 of the things that i like about WOTLK are the DK and the history the dificulty well i have gone to ICC alot of times and me and my group cant defeat de sec boss its too strong
Dani2798 11 months ago
BC were the best days imo, vanilla was better good too but i didnt get to play too much
fdghfh456 1 year ago
Ok wrath may have been easy but difficulty isn't what the developers sat down and designed for... Look at the synergy between northrend questing and the story, look at hoe all of azeroth was against arthas and look at all the great zones wrath had! Thats THE expansion! Pve diffuculty is not necessarily what makes WoW a good game. Go Play a different game God damn
ColonizingTheSun 1 year ago
@ColonizingTheSun Interactive Story Book, isn't really a game. :(
Mintchiplol 1 year ago 15
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@Mintchiplol I love Cata cus its challenging fun and good money making
i love BOT and FL cus bot its just a fun run FL is a nice challenge i love it
i've played 3month before tbc and all the way to cata quite aat wrath and started collecting the cards then when i heard wrath was done and cata was coming out i was lucky to get invited to cata beta
and i loved some of the bugs i dk why i loved the worgen running wild bug
lolMAGATRONlol 5 months ago
Meta2 from eve wishes to propose marriage.... hi Mintchip
pmccullo123 1 year ago
I agree 100%. Wrath was a shitty Xpansion. Vault = Bs , Heroics could all be face rolled. I didnt play in Vanilla, . I started in BC. We had top earn our gear. We didnt have vault.
420shaker 1 year ago
I agree 100%. Wrath was a shitty Xpansion. Vault = Bs , Heroics could all be face rolled
420shaker 1 year ago
ive been a wow player since vanilla but had to take a break for wotlk because pvp sucked so much and i dont like pve. it was ghostcrawler and his team fault. total noobs.
Nyzzeh 1 year ago
bitch
SOULdierX93 1 year ago
I started at Wrath. :_( I would of played Vanilla but I would been 12 and a total retard.
Godofnofx 1 year ago
Wrath sucked!
vaju79 1 year ago
i thought WOTLK was slow and epic, but also yea really easy when it came to pugs. i remember by time i had full epics, the horde on my server were pugging lich king 10. while ive always been on board with a user friendly approach that allows all players to cover all aspects of the game world and experience every encounter freely, i thought the point of an mmo was that you have your elites, and you have your casuals. killing LK didnt feel the same when i knew pugs were doing it.
rogerthat155 1 year ago
good video :)
justinruleseverythin 1 year ago
you are very correct wrath was nothing but a joke but they did learn alot with it and hopefully cata will be way more like pre bc back when shit was hard and world pvp happened and hopefully all the "wrath kids" will quit the game because its hard again now they just need to bring back old av : (
bamsgod 1 year ago
OMG i fucking hate that jumping cutting shit.
Zu3sUK 1 year ago
So true. WotLK was spoon fed dribble to get the 12 year olds to play. Successful business wise, so not going to say it was a screw up on Blizz's part. However, if they do the same in Cata they will lose the base that made the game what it is.
wardogtg 1 year ago
i like wothlk because its finally tieing the story line from wc3 into the game, and the level cap of course, and i agree with you that DK's suck ass, and that normals are easy ass shit, but thats why u do heroics xD theyre still boring as fuck, u wabt something difficult start a new alt
seazurerulez 1 year ago
Meh, I enjoyed WotLK. Any static encounter, such as a boss in a raid, is eventually going to be considered easy by some no matter what, with all the meta gaming and looking up strats outside the game and such. I do kinda miss the excitement and fulfillment from downing, say, ragnaros, or getting a piece of tier 1 though, back when things were more challenging :P I personally found ICC rather hard, but I see where your coming from. As a Bliz fan you should try SC2 for a challenge :D
SuperGolgiApparatus 1 year ago
I agree.. it was way too easy, but the story was interesting and the visuals where breath taking.. sorta... I hated the armor, but only cause it all looked the same (on the plus side you didn't have to run around in miss matched armor), it got boring after a while.
drnekodr 1 year ago
Wrath was the first expansion that made me delete my toons & "quit." I came back a couple months later obviously lol. It had nothing to do with pve though, it was out of frustration on the pvp end. I'm wondering if all the people saying how easy Wrath was cleared everything on 25 man hard modes? Blizzard always nerfs content after a while so more people can experience it, they did it in BC as well. Epics have become less "epic" over time, but Blizz should still cater to more people with modes.
Quix0tica 1 year ago
I hated BC when it was out, but once Wrath came out, I missed it. Wrath blows because it's easy. Don't even get me started on PVP.
boliver30 1 year ago
I completely disagree..Wrath was by far leaps and bounds superior to Burning Crusades...the quests were great, the area was awesome, even the music was kick ass. You speak nonsense, I like Tradechat's show better...you lost a subscriber
thebarstoolprophet 1 year ago
@thebarstoolprophet I understand how difficult it can be to hear other people's opinions, especially when they differ from yours. You will be missed :D
Mintchiplol 1 year ago 4
No offense mintchip, but everything you've said in this clip speaks of hardcore elitism nonsense. Naxx did become easier over time, as did Ulduar, TOTC, ICC etc, but they certainly weren't one-shot clears as you claim. I believe that's why Blizz introduced the HC mode btw.
I think you need to recognise that Blizz needs to cater to a wide range of player types and interests, and if you make all of the raids too hard then an huge section of the player base will be alienated.
callmediamond 1 year ago
im sorry but i cant stand videos with a ton of jump cuts >> You should leave it in...
dwain1771 1 year ago
i love you and your videos, but i disagree.
first off i only started playing during wrath, so i have no perspective on the other expansions, but when i hear players who have been playing way longer than me always talk about how awful wrath was, the only thing i can think is that it was not nearly as bad as they say, because well, your still here, and you still played it.
It makes me LOL when people say it was too easy because most people still cant do the hardmodes
golbezcecil 1 year ago
in 18-24 months people will be talking about how cataclysm was a pos and how awesome wotlk was.
also, @ people saying OMG VANILLA WAS SO GOOD LOLZ.
no it wasn't, it was terrible - nobody knew what they were doing, gear was itemized badly, trash took decades to kill and you had to share loot with 39 other people
Xilarating 1 year ago
Sadly, Blizzard have to satisfy all ranges of gaming ability. So if they were to make all those raids harder, considering the amount of people that fail day in and day out - People would just begin to straight up hate playing with other people that are not in their guild.
jamez6191 1 year ago
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askatan 1 year ago
WotLK was my first real raid expansion (I played BC, but had no damn idea what to do) so I dont really have a frame of reference. That being said, even I thought WotLK stuff was ridiculously easy. ToC was........ya.........you already know. Naxx? Well, it was hard for the first month it was out? Ulduar at least had ways of really testing you (IE hard modes) but even those became easily manageable after a short time. As for ICC.......the buff was ridiculous, heroics were lame, and woo for cata
dthsycth13 1 year ago
I remember back in the days where only skilled players had epics. There is a reason it's called epic, Blizard! Though pre bc might have been slightly too hard for the average gamer to reach the top, it made the items worth so much more. Anything worth having requires work and that's where LK failed. Also, why the hell are people driving around on motorbikes and so on now? Don't make stuff just to satisfy the very young players as I dont think any adult would want a wow chopper. :S
omgkomapatientlol 1 year ago
It upsets me when people say that Wrath was too 'easy'. 2% of the player base have even experienced LK25 HC, which is by far the most difficult encounter created, (Paragon which was the first guild to defeat it, even said so). Blizzard made things puggable because they didnt want only 10% of the playerbase to experience the best encounter like it happened in BC with KJ. If you want harder encounters, go kill LK 25 HC and then come back and tell me it was easy :)
MuffinMilitiaTV 1 year ago
@MuffinMilitiaTV I agree that LK HM was difficult and I believe Algalon was difficult (You didn't mention him) However that doesn't mean the rest of the content wasn't easy. When you compare the "hard" bosses of this expansion with those of previous, it is difficult for me to say that wrath was some how on par with those. Clearing a wrath instance is completely different from clearing say, SSC in BC. If you think Wrath was harder... Idk what to say.
Mintchiplol 1 year ago
@Mintchiplol I don't think that Wrath was harder than BC, that's difficult to say and difficult to compare considering the diversity of the encounters, however i think it is also difficult to say that Wrath was easy. In wrath they implemented Hardmodes. The most difficult fights in this expansion are probobly Mimiron HM, LK 25 HC, Algalon and i think RS 25 HC isn't very easy either. I just think it's unfair to say that the hardmodes of most encounters, atleast in Icecrown 25 are easy.
MuffinMilitiaTV 1 year ago
@MuffinMilitiaTV I disagree :D Yes, they implemented Heroic Modes; but I believe those should have been the regular modes. You literally had to clear the entire instance on "reg" to do the SAME instance on heroic. Not to mention they forced delayed content by releasing wings in time - not by actual progression. So if you look at the dates between release to clear - it's laughable. The only "guild killer" was HM LK - and that was at the end of the expansion.
Mintchiplol 1 year ago
@Mintchiplol But the reason they created two versions of the fight was because they wanted the whole playerbase to have the potential to experience those fights. I mean, not everyone who plays wow has the time to join a raiding guild and pull together 10-25 players capable of defeating Heroic Sindragosa for example, however on a saturday perhaps they can join a pug and experience the encounter. Otherwise Blizzard would just be making encounters for a fifth of the playerbase.
MuffinMilitiaTV 1 year ago
@MuffinMilitiaTV Right, but from my perspective it sucks, because they are catering to the casual - and limiting the progression guilds. Look at the 20+ weeks of clearing heroic Lich King the 40+ weeks of clearing hm icc. After 5 weeks of clearing regular content. :(((( I guess I just blame the % buff. lol :P
Mintchiplol 1 year ago
@Mintchiplol Take the buff off idd, it really does make things more difficult (not so much anymore because of 4.0.1 :)
MuffinMilitiaTV 1 year ago
@MuffinMilitiaTV yeah, you've missed my entire point.
Mintchiplol 1 year ago
@MuffinMilitiaTV oh and algalon was a great fight, and Wrath had such potential. But there was no reason for less capable guilds to do it because it didn't have the unlocking power that say, Lady Vashj or Kael Thas ss did in BC. And now they are combating "pugging" in cata by giving guilds "buffs" rather than making the content unpuggable. Which is fine, I understand that wow is a lot more casual now.
Mintchiplol 1 year ago
Yeah it is a joke. I like My Death Knight as it is my main but leveling it was so retarded easy. As much as I like being able to gear my alts quickly for like ICC and so on but I wish they didn't do it. Then you see all of these noobs getting stuff you worked your ass off for. I hate that lol.
travileesto 1 year ago
Coming from an ex medium to hard core raider, I loved wrath. While the raids weren't nearly as challenging, I had a lot more fun. I wont forget Vanilla/BC because of the hell progression and screaming raid leaders. I wont forget Wrath because I actually had fun with my medium core guild, dropping Maly is something I'll be proud of forever.
Blizz can't cater to the hard cores, because the majority aren't you. The majority want to experience raids, without the leader rage. Just my 2 cents.
Drexra 1 year ago
honestly the only thing i like about Wotlk was leveling from 70-80 for the first time and seeing all the new stuff but it got old really quick. Once they made it so you could get a full tier set from farming heroics it really messed up the game imo, But from what i've heard and seen Cata looks like it will be inbetween Wotlk and Bc. Atleast lets hope...
Cella81991 1 year ago
Thank god for Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. WOW will never go back too its roots because its an action adventure money sink these days. I liked Vanilla because nobody played Vanilla, and that's how i like my MMO's!
ForceOfWizardry 1 year ago
Good news, from everything I've heard, Cataclysm is going back to the difficulty of Vanilla and BC.
ciresmq 1 year ago
@ciresmq lol, you must be joking? Even if that were true the rampant 12 year olds would cry more. Does blizzard really want too lose 80% of there subscriptions, or would they simply make a patch that would make em a little more happy?
ForceOfWizardry 1 year ago
I started in vanilla raiding MC, it was good time even though I was 1 of the 8 shamans in the raid and barely got any gear. Stopped playing WoW right before TBC game out so I never experienced the so called "best" expansion. Picked up WoW again in January 2010 and was raiding pug ICC 10 runs within 3 months or so. It was a shocker to be cause I was expecting to have to join a guild to even see any end level raiding content. Big let down all and all, getting gear on a tank was soo easy.
sh0gun119 1 year ago
In my opinion, even if people in Wrath could pug a raid, they made up for it in Hardmode content, which didnt exist before this expansion. Pugs can clear the instance, but only GUILDS can clear hardmode.
Xioustic 1 year ago
@Xioustic but there's also the gdkp's that would run 12/12 10 man hardmodes, retarded yes i know.
Steveusmc1986 1 year ago
Biggest prob with wrath was nerfs "well o shit this is hard lets cry to blizzard" ulduar was great when it first came out but it was nerfed alas, i loved the story line with ulduar and most of it required skill to complete and now gear is just handed out with no skill required which is a joke and with the new expansion hopefully the players with no skill and the cry baby attitude peops dont win out this time, dont even get me started on naxx lmao and death knights lol
stricken1977 1 year ago
I hate being that guy, you know the one that disagrees with you, but if wrath was so easy for you, why did it take so long for you to do most of the stuff in it?
Heroics, were easier but that is largely due to AOE tanking. Still easier.
TOC is a joke raid.
Naxx is about as hard KZ, maybe easier.
You are month behind the curve of raiding, and I am not even hard core.
Kevashida 1 year ago
@Kevashida Oh I xfered to Alliance almost 4 months ago. Before that I was in an 11/12HM guild at 15%. We just "reset" when we came to alliance in progression, and Mintchip (my warrior) switched to my main! As for your mention of KZ being like Kara, I would disagree totally. Kara was actually difficult, the bosses hit VERY hard. It got nerfed a bunch of times, so maybe you didn't play when it first came out? Idk. I fulled cleared Naxx the first night i was 80 when wrath came out. Fail imo.
Mintchiplol 1 year ago
@Mintchiplol i mean naxx being like kara.
Mintchiplol 1 year ago 3
I think I got a seizure from all those jump cuts...:P thank you for the health warning at least.
ENJager 1 year ago
BC was the best Wrath sucked.
Deathheads69 1 year ago 3
@Deathheads69 <3
Mintchiplol 1 year ago
@Deathheads69 I have to agree, and I'll explain why. Vanilla was a bit too hard and didn't involve most players in the end-game stuff. It had a lot of cool stuff, but I didn't really get to experience most of it till I had a lv 70, much of it not till I had an 80 and could go by myself. BC was more involving to the layperson while still giving a sense of accomplishment over doing well.
TheReaverOfDarkness 1 year ago
@Deathheads69 I can't agree to that, we got sent to annother planet, alliance got aliens arriving in a space ship as their new race... :s
Over all BC was pretty boring even if the content was not that easy to pug, but I rather have an awesome yet rather easy raid instance like Ulduar over SSC that went boring so much faster.
Hopefully we will get a better balance in Cata between intressting content and them being reasonable challenging.
1Thyca 1 year ago
Vanilla FTW! BC was pretty cool, but nothing can compare to the awesomeness of vanilla. I don't like how easy the game currently is and how gear is handed out like candy.
abishop86 1 year ago
Love your videos! :D Always the highlight of my day :)
hillmis 1 year ago
YES!
Volrath1988 1 year ago
What i hate in WOTLK is the gear progression system. In BC u had to start at Kara and work ur gear up to end game content. At the end of BC u still had guilds running Kara. Now everyones running ICC which is endgame content.lol. and Nax and Ulduar are useless do to the triumph gear u get from heroic dungeons.
bighotmuffins 1 year ago
Vanilla all the way, might of hated the trash of the raids back then, but Dam!!! did I love it when my guild downed c'thun it took us so long to down that boss, but the reward from finally downing it was great. Everyone was jumping up and down screaming in vent. I just loved Vanilla =)
Shad0wglider 1 year ago