CHURCH OF THE IMMORAL MAJORITY AKA TOTALITARIAN UNITARIANS

[startswithaj]

I'm confused...how is it immoral or perverting justice to throw signs that are in front of the church? Isn't where he was putting the signs on church property?

[RobinEdgar]

The picket signs slogans about the church behaving in an immoral manner and perverting justice refer to things that the church has done, and continues to do, that are immoral some of which can be properly described as perversions of justice. For example the Unitarian Church of Montreal expelled me for complaing about that anti-religious intolerance and bigotry of its "fundamentalist atheist" Humanist minister Rev. Ray Drennan. The signs are not on church property and tossing them is censorship.

[dakotagerman1]

Because those sign are on a PUBLIC! sidewalk. A man has a right to protest. So that old fucking asshole throwing his signs out into the street is WAY OUT! of line.

[NomadSoul76]

Yes, it makes "church" look so much more evil when you put scare quotes around it..

You're so repressed, that people throw away your picket signs. That is the definition of repression, in fact. It's not like anyone has ever suffered through any worse repression in the history of humanity..

yep, people throwing away the signs that you had littered the landscape with is about the worst possible thing that could happen to you.

You self important prick

[RobinEdgar]

The sign are not on anyone's lawn. They are on public property as I have explained. If the grass belongs to anyone it belongs to the citizens of Montreal and I happen to be one of them. . . It's *my* "lawn" as much as anyone else's. The signs are only displayed for the duration of my protest. If I left them behind after leaving this *could* be considered to be littering, just as tossing them into the street could be considered to be littering to say nothing of disturbing the peace. . .

[RobinEdgar]

I did not answer that question here because it is answered by several of the other videos and an appropriate free and responsible search for the truth and meaning of what I am protesting against by Googling my name and Unitarian Church of Montreal will provide answers to that question.

My protest began as a protest against Rev. Ray Drennan's anti-religious bigotry and the fact that it was condoned and even endorsed by both the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA. It has since evolved. . .

[baggagequeen]

I would 've thrown your signs too, if you had done this at my church. If you don't like their church, don't go there. Its as simple as that.

[RobinEdgar]

No it's not as simple as that. No church is immune to protests against injustices and abuses perpetrated by church leaders, and perpetuated by hypocritical church members who not only do nothing to hold the perpetrators accountable for their unacceptable behavior but very often engage in victim blaming. Blaming the victim is a common occurrence in all kinds of clergy misconduct cases, including clergy sexual misconduct cases. Would you tell a victim of clergy sexual misconduct to just leave?

[baggagequeen]

Well OK but you never answered Theopolism's question: What are you protesting anyways?

[ZaftigWoman]

Yes, it is that simple. If you don't like the church or their beliefs, stay away.

[RobinEdgar]

Wrong ZaftigWoman.

It is by no means "that simple".

For starters my protest is not against the beliefs professed by the Unitarian Church of Montreal or the greater Unitarian*Universalist religious community. I am very much in favor of those beliefs, that is why I chose the fate of joining the Unitarian Church of Montreal and thus by extension the greater U*U "religion". My protest is against the anti-religious intolerance and bigotry and other injustices and abuses that I have encountered.

[FreePlay]

Give us all a fucking break, you lying idiot. You tried to force the UU church to give you a special day of recognition for your wacked-out schizophrenic visions and to 'investigate' them as if they were a real phenomenon. When they didn't, you started a fucking PERSONAL CRUSADE against them, making all kinds of patently false claims and picketing outside the church. You're a DOUCHEBAG of the HIGHEST ORDER.

[FreePlay]

You saw a fucking solar eclipse and had a hallucination that it was the eye of God. You're a NUTBALL, and you're a CUNT.

[RobinEdgar]

Wrong ZaftigWoman con'd -

Would you similarly demand that victims of clergy sexual abuse should "stay away" from the church that had harmed them ZW? Would you similarly demand that someone protesting against other forms of injustices and abuses perpetrated by church leaders and perpetuated by the rest of the church members should end there protest, indeed not even start one? My protest is not against the beliefs of U*Us I am actually upholding U*U ideals by protesting against their hypocrisy.

[Theopolism]

As a new UU I support your right to protest in public but why did you put the signs on the church property? He had every right to remove them from the church's property especially when you had several feet of sidewalk between the street and church property.

What exactly are you protesting anyways?

[RobinEdgar]

The picket signs were never on church property Theopolism. The grass three feet in from the sidewalk is city property. The Totalitarian Unitarian "Citizens' Police Officer" aka U*U COP thus had no right whatsoever to *steal* my picket signs. He certainly had no right to vandalize my signs by throwing them into the street in front of passing cars and buses. He is guilty of littering and disrupting traffic. I could probably have had him charged with disturbing the peace had I decided to do so...

[Theopolism]

Wow, so you guys Montreal there have the right to put signs on people's lawns without them being touched as long as it's within 3 feet of the sidewalk? How long can they stay up, indefinitely?

I'd sure hate to live an area where lawns by sidewalks can always be cluttered with signs. Must make the place look ugly; especially places people really hate.

Do they change those sign posting rights laws for high protest areas like abotion clinics?

[american]

0 stars

[RobinEdgar]

Hi Karlyrayne, I am happy to hear that my videos got you thinking. That is what they are intended to do; although it is obvious from some of the stunningly ignorant and outright stupid responses here that some people prefer not to use the brains God gave them. Your comments are very much a propos and appreciated. More tolerance on both sides of the atheist-theist divide is what is needed, as well as on various other religious divides. Have a nice life, Robin Edgar

[RobinEdgar]

It's what *they* did ainkenatlas. Rev. Ray Drennan was just visible tip of the corpse-cold Unitarian iceberg. U*U COP's malicious tossing my picket signs into the street is both littering and disrupting traffic. Displaying picket signs *is* protest. Forgive me for being rude but you are a total moron if you really believe that I am protesting against justice, love, equality, and peace. I am obviously protesting against U*U injustices, U*U hate, U*U intolerance, slander, and harassment aka war.

[karlyrayne]

I've been watching your videos because I was curious why you were protesting the UU church of Montreal, and I think that I have the gist of it. I just wanted to say a few things. Why I agree with you on some points, such as labeling Creation Day a cult is "atheist bigotry" but I would like to qualify that statement a bit by saying that, even though it is un-UU atheist and other non-christians, sometimes get frustrated with the constant christian bigotry, and the frustration manifests...

[karlyrayne]

itself in sometimes quite hypocritical behavior. I myself am atheist, and when I first came to declare myself as such, I became so fed up with people telling me what a horrible person I was, and having lost friends even though I myself hadn't changed. So I reacted by doing the same thing to those who had wronged me and that's where the vicious cycle begins. So I see what you are saying, but I can also empathize with those having made the slanderous statements, and it shows that...

[karlyrayne]

the only way that the issue can be resolved and both can feel satisfied is to exercise more tolerance, which I'm sure is the main point of your protest. Sorry for the rant by the way, its just that you videos got me thinking. Have a nice day!

[RobinEdgar]

I am sorry that atheists are sometimes badly treated by God believing people, usually religious fundamentalists. I do not go around giving atheists a hard time and have plenty of friends who are atheists. There is no excuse for a U*U minister to make slanderous statements of the kind that Rev. Drennan made in his bigoted attack on me, and there is even less excuse for him to obstinately refuse to retract his deeply insulting and outright defamatory words and properly apologize for uttering them.

[RobinEdgar]

Thanks for acknowledging that the labeling of Creation Day as a cult by "fundamentalist atheist" U*Us Rev. Ray Drennan, Frank Greene, John Inder and other intolerant and abusive "Humanist" Montreal Unitarian U*Us is in fact "atheist bigotry" karlyrayne. Now if only the Unitarian Church of Montreal and the UUA's very aptly named Ministerial *Fellowship* Committee could have responsibly acknowledged that fact way back in 1996 when I first complained about Ray Drennan's anti-religious bigotry. . .

[aikenatlas]

I will grant you this, I do not condone what he did, but I don't condone what you did either. Why is his placement of what you yourself called "litter" or trash, "littering", but your placement called "protest"???

It completely baffles me why you would place such signs or even want to protest against justice, love, equality, and peace. I have to ask what kind of person would "protest" these things?

Just for the record I am not UU, but it seems to be most in line with what I believe.

[RobinEdgar]

I am not making anything seem worse than it actually is wraithza. I have not exaggerated anything about the injustices and hypocrisy of U*Us. U*U slander harms my ability to speak out and act against other more serious injustices and abuses. I am actually very grateful for the "first world" rights and freedoms allow me to protest against U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy.

[RobinEdgar]

I know plenty of children half your age or younger who can reason better than you can wraithza. What makes you "childish" is what you have written here for anyone to see. I am confident that many people will agree with my assessment of your behaviour.

[WRAITHZA]

You like the kiddies eh? Makes me wonder what a lonely man your age is doing with young kids in the first place, not just one or two you say, "PLENTY"!! For God sakes, I just as I have stated, just because i share different views than you that doesn't make me childish, no wonder the UU's kicked you out, you cant handle it if people are different from you. you view them as lesser for thinking differently. Now who is the bigot?? Sir, you can kindly go fuck yourself.

[RobinEdgar]

You really are a piece of work wraithza. Yes I do know children half your age who not only can reason better than you can but are significantly more civil and mature than you. You are "childish" because your behaviour, as exemplified here, is immature and "childish". Come to think of it its an insult to some of the children I know to refer to your immature behaviour as childish. . . For the record U*Us have repeatedly proven that *they* cannot handle it if people are different from them.

[WRAITHZA]

LOL smart, I am "pissing on your battery" if you get the expression. You posted these videos here to gain support and approval of people who are willing to believe your utter BS. I am not going to give you the satisfaction, I DO NOT AGREE with you. And calling me childish over and over is not going to win your case, it only makes you more of a joke. If you haven't noticed yet sir, I am only here for "the LULZ" seeing as you cant prove your point. I must say I find you very entertaining.

[RobinEdgar]

I posted these videos here to show just how idiotically some U*Us respond to my legitimate protest against well-docomented U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy. The videos serve that purpose well. Piss on my battery all you want wraithza. The joke`s on you and outrageously hypocritical U*Us. I am sure that most people will agree that you are making a collosal fool of yourself here and are certainly not doing U*Us any favors with your ignorant and indeed "childish" comments.

[WRAITHZA]

Oh who said I was doing anything for the UU's?? You want to know why my comments are childish? because your crap isn't worth my intellect. Oh BTW hardly anyone watches these vids because no one gives a fuck about what a psychotic old man has to say. So let what people think what they want of me, it is you who want to win their approval, not me Robin.

[RobinEdgar]

If my alleged "crap" is not worth your alleged "intellect" wraithza why are you wasting time commenting here? I would say that your alleged "intellect" is "over-exaggerated" by no one other than yourself. . . I already have the approval of hundreds and even thousands of people who know about my ongoing protest wraithza. I already told you that most of my friends and acquaintances and plenty of people I don't know have expressed their approval in one way or another.

[WRAITHZA]

I am here trying to be fair and waiting for you to stop talking like a fucking robot and tell me EXACTLY what these horrible UU's have done to you. Don't you understand the impact of apathy? My intelligence is by no means "Over exaggerated" but my patience is infinite. Funny how you say thousands of people approve when your videos have barely been views by the hundreds. I am waiting for you to engage in a normal conversation with me so i can at least understand, I am by no means close minded

[RobinEdgar]

This conflict has been going on for over a decade wraithza. Many people showed their approval for my public protest activities and/or my internet blogging and posting long before I posted these videos but a fair number of people have privately expressed their approval of these very recent videos via internet messaging or direct verbal communications. As I said, many of my friends and acquaintances get a good chuckle out of these videos of U*U idiocy.

[WRAITHZA]

Lulz, over a decade wasted just to make your pals laugh. Thanks for telling me this is for comedic purposes. if anyone is down playing your efforts, it's you.

[RobinEdgar]

There is quite a bit more to it than that wraithza but the fact remains that a good number of people, not just my friends and acquaintances, have had a good laugh thanks to the antics of outrageously hypocritical Montreal U*Us. I have wasted nothing. I actually spend less time protesting in front of teh Unitarian Church of Montreal than I spent as an active member. My protest has had an impact both locally and throughout the U*U "religious community".

[RobinEdgar]

Appparently you don't know the meaning of the word "bigot" wraithza. Maybe you really are a child. . . I only spend a few hours a month protesting against U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy in front of the Unitarian Church of Montreal and I consider those few hours to be well spent. I do not feel any need to "move on" and allow U*Us to get away with the bigotry, prejudice and related injustices and abuses that they are guilty of.

[WRAITHZA]

Bringing up the notion that I am young and cannot comprehend simple words is only showing weakness in your argument; please don't resort to petty insults. How are you not being a bigot towards me dear sir? Surely if you feel it is necessary to justify yourself to me then I AM NOT a mere "child". You speak so profoundly of something you haven't even bothered to immerse yourself in, let alone understand. I think if there ever were any injustices it was done by your own hand.

[RobinEdgar]

You were the one who described yourself as a "mere child" in a previous post that has mysteriously disappeared. Maybe you even removed it yourself. Your age is orrelevant to the fact that you obviously do not know the meaning of certain words. The injustices and abuses of the U*Us are all very well documented and the majority of them are easy to prove.

[WRAITHZA]

Actually I thought you removed it.

Thank you for NOT addressing my point, because you have no proof or answers. All I hear is the harsh things they have done to you but I see no facts backing it up. What a waste of time talking to you.

[RobinEdgar]

Thanks for acknowledging that you referred to yourself as a "mere child" is a previous post that has mysteriously "disappeared". I had nothing to do with its disappearance. Funny how you accuse me of resorting to "petty insults" when all I did was acknowledge that you did indeed appear to be a "mere child". Just what point is it that you believe I have not addressed wraithza? I think I have responded quite adequately to all your inane "points". . .

[WRAITHZA]

You pointed my age out in a negative way, as if it makes me unable to understand or comprehend your point of view. I am young yes. But I am no fool. I may not have the life experiences you have, but I have brains to figure out things on my own. You haven't once said EXACTLY what the UU's have done to you, you only call out big words, hoping to make yourself seem intelligent or at least credible, but alas, you do not.

[RobinEdgar]

I don't even know your age wraithza. For all I know you could be a sad pathetic old man or woman. . . *You* referred to yourself as a "mere child" and I simply suggested that you might indeed be a child based upon your childish comments. I have said many times EXACTLY what U*Us have done to me, to say nothing of other people. . . Just Google - "Robin Edgar" and Unitarians. Just Google - Rev. Ray Drennan.

[WRAITHZA]

Childish comments? ORLY?! I doubt a child has my dialect or ability to reason. I am a happy 18 yr old living in Africa, and I KNOW prejudice when I see it. Just get one thing straight, just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me childish. And saying so only makes you look like a total thunder cunt. I googled your keywords but ALAS! STILL NO SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE!! only tour point of view, which by the way i DON'T consider credible

Once again, YOU FAIL AT LIFE

[RobinEdgar]

How can anyone be a "bigot" for doing nothing more than peacefully protesting against the injustices, abuses, and hypocrisy of *any* religious community? The anti-religious intolerance and bigotry that U*Us have perpetrated against me and other people is very well documented. How am I a "bigot" for protesting against it?

[WRAITHZA]

Your videos show no conclusive evidence of intolerance or abuse from their side; only from yours. The way you carry on about your life being endangered, lawsuits, restraining orders and the way you over dramatize everything, I cannot take you seriously; nor can I sympathize for you. Even if they act prejudicially against me, I would handle it like a mature young adult and deal with it. The world is full of injustices; acknowledge it and GET OVER IT.

[RobinEdgar]

I am not overdramatizing anything wraithza. It was the 911 dispatcher who characterized the threats made against me by a U*U as "death threats." I simply reported that fact. I have not launched a single lawsuit against U*Us to date. On the contrary U*Us are guilty of overdramatizing my peaceful public protest, misusing the Canadian Criminal Code in trying to suppress my protest, and seeking restraining orders against me based of spurious claims. You have your facts U*U backwards wraithza. . .

[WRAITHZA]

YOU are guilty of over dramatizing your protest. And what you are doing is harassment, they have every right to call any law enforcement on you.

[RobinEdgar]

My protest is no more overdramatized than any other peaceful public protest. I have slogans on picket signs that expose and denounce U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy and I walk back and forth with them. This is no more "harassment" than any other peaceful protest. The only genuine harassment in these videos is the Totalitarian Unitarian U*U throwing my picket signs into the street. . . I am doing nothing illegal. U*Us have no valid reasonm to call the police almost every time I protest.

[WRAITHZA]

Um yes they do, they have every right.

You're disturbing the peace.

[RobinEdgar]

You are wrong as usual wraithza. I am not disturbing the peace any more than any other peaceful public protestor is disturbing the peace. In fact I am rather more peaceful in my protest activities than some other peaceful protestors. No, the only person disturbing the peace in these videos is the Totalitarian Unitarian who is repeatedly throwing my picket signs into the street. That idiotic act of theft, littering and vandalism is definitely disturbing the peace.

[WRAITHZA]

he didn't steal your sign dumb ass. He discarded it like the trash it is

[RobinEdgar]

The dumb U*U who has the gall to call himself a "Citizens' Police Officer" repeatedly took my picket signs without my permission before littering de Maisonneuve boulevard with them. As may be gleaned from some of the videos, he forcibly grabbed the picket signs out of my hands on occasion. Technically that is theft. I have made no effort to bring any charges against him but I am sure that the real police could charge him with disturbing the peace, if not theft, on the basis of the videos.

[WRAITHZA]

Jesus, you're such a whiny little bitch. There are people on this earth who are inhumanely slaughtered for being different. And there is nothing being done or said for them. Now you want me to take this utter crap seriously. PLEASE, Fuck you and your comfortable first world life, and stop making it seem worse than it actually is you ungrateful shit.

[RobinEdgar]

And yes it is "an immoral thing" for this idiotic U*U vigiante "Citizen's Police Officer" to try to take the law into his own hands by throweing my picket signs into the street. The slogant that says "CHURCH" OF THE IMMORAL MAJORITY refers to other immoral and unethical behaviour on the part of U*Us.

[WRAITHZA]

Oh shut up, you're the real Bigot here.

[WRAITHZA]

I've never seen such petty rot in my entire life. How can you expect your actions not to be met with slight hostility? Are you trying to tell me that what that man did is an immoral thing? What would you do if some one decorated your place of worship with hate signs? I swear the way you carry on with lawsuits and restraining orders. And to think the UU's called you "intelligent", I beg to differ...

[RobinEdgar]

How can U*Us expect their anti-religious intolerance and bigotry not to be met with protest wraithza? There is no "hate" expressed on my picket signs, just legitimate protest against U*U injustices, abuses and outrageous hypocrisy.

[WRAITHZA]

Anti-Religious Bigotry? Of course! And how are you are not doing the same with your signs of religious intolerance? Don't tell me your slogans are not intended to slander the UU's; because that would be a lie! I'm sorry but what ever harsh treatment the UU's have bestowed upon you, still doesn't justify your actions. Holding onto this petty resentment is making you look foolish.

Next time, please don't contradict yourself so hopelessly.

[RobinEdgar]

Not one of my picket sign slogans slanders Unitarian*Universalists aka U*Us. Every single one of them is well founded in well documented fact. On the contrary I am protesting against U*U slander against me which is in fact anti-religious bigotry.

[RobinEdgar]

My "actions" consist almost entirely of writing perfectly legitimate letters of grievance, peaceful public protest against well documented U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy, and posting commentary on the internet. Those "actions" a very well justified by U*U "harsh treatment" of me and other people.

[jimmyphack]

Yeah i love to see people saying you were harassing him that man should be charged i dont know what you were there for but i do know hes an asshole.

[RobinEdgar]

I gave some consideration to reporting the self-professed "Citizen's Police Officer" to the real police but I am not quite sure what he could actually realistically be charged with other than the obvious vandalism of my picket signs. In the past I did charge a U*U lawyer who stole my picket signs and technically assaulted me with both theft and assault. He copped a plea and was subjected to "non-judicial treatment" for his criminal acts.

[jimmyphack]

Well im sure causing a civil disturbance or something if someone had of swerved at them signs could of had an accident if that had happend then he would have been charged for a man of his age he should be concerned about people getting hurt by a stupid old man throwing stuff in the road.

[RobinEdgar]

I certainly agree with that Jimmy, and I even mention the possibility that this self-professed "Citizen's Police Officer" might have been hoping that I might get hit by a bus or something in trying to retrieve my picket signs that he repeatedly threw into the street. That would be hard to prove in criminal court. Disturbing the peace and litteringh might apply here though. . .

[CJamesN]

can you please explain to me how UU's are bigots or immoral?

[RobinEdgar]

Yes CJamesN I can explain how some U*Us are anti-religious bigots and/or behave in an immoral manner but space for comments is limited here. For now I would suggest running a Google search on - "Robin Edgar" and Unitarian bigotry. Also try - "Robin Edgar" and immoral Unitarians. Run the searches in Google Groups as well.

[CJamesN]

Alright i did some reading so apparently you were rejected by one congregation and because of that you have spend a decade acting like a petulant child and attacking one of the most accepting and helpful religions in the world whose whole purpose is social justice? I think you really need to re-consider your purpose in life because attacking something that has helped so many people will not get you anywhere or gain you supporters who are intelligent people.

[RobinEdgar]

I guess you didn`t do quite enough reading CJamesN. Most people will agree that the person best described as "acting like a petulant child" is the Totalitarian Unitarian in this video. I have been peacefully protesting against very real U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy, including but not limited to anti-religious intolerance and bigotry and clergy misconduct for close to a decade now precisely because U*Us have denied, ignored, and minimized my serious grievances like petulant children. . .

[FreePlay]

Your own fucking father's last words to you were about how you should stop kicking people in the balls, and you don't think you're acting like a petulant child?! LMFAO! Imbecile!

[RobinEdgar]

Ya me and your very good friend P. Z. Myers. . . When U*Us give me a good reason to stop protesting I will, but as long as they verbally kick me and other people in the balls in various ways, or otherwise cause me and other people harm, they can expect me to kick right back. If they don't want their outrageously hypocritical U*Us being verbally "kicked" they can start practicing what they preach about justice, equity and compassion in human relations and other claimed U*U principles and ideals.

[FreePlay]

You're a goddamn child.

[RobinEdgar]

Oh dear. What an insult. I'm a child and a goddamn one at that. I dare say that I know lots of children who are a lot smarter and behave better than a good number of the "aging and dwindling" Unitarian U*Us I know, some of whom are no doubt experiencing their second childhood by now. . .

Try again FreePlay. Your insult did not insult. . .

In fact, in light of the intelligent, imaginative and creative children I have the privilege to know I will take it as a compliment.

In other words GFY

[nagoyago]

You are a monkey...and the old man has you on his leash...the leash of intolerance, ignorance, judgmental bigotary...the old man is a hero! You are a monkey. And monkey's don't learn. Keep up the show - I enjoy laughing at fools.

[RobinEdgar]

We are all monkeys nagoyago. And I don't deny a certain amount of monkeying around with intolerant, ignorant, and judgmental U*U bigots at all. The old man may be a hero in his own mind, and perhaps in the minds of a few like-minded monkeys, but most people will agree that he is a foolish Totalitarian Unitarian. Anyway I am glad you got a few chuckles out of this video. It is supposed to be somewhat humourous.

[fireflies333]

You walk around harassing old men?

"Try and get a restraining order against him."??

You are harassing some elderly old man.

Seek therapy.

[RobinEdgar]

In think that if anyone should get their head checked about that alleged harassment it should be you. It is obvious from the videos that the "old man" is harassing me by repeatedly throwing my picket signs into the street. N'est-ce pas?

[RobinEdgar]

Really oh so Unitarian Marc? Please come back here and explain just why I am an "asshole" for peacefully protesting against U*U anti-religous intolerance and bigotry, U*U clergy misconduct, and some other U*U injustices and abuses. Please also explain why you apparently believe that those people who peacefully protest against U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy deserve being physically assaulted by U*Us.

[RobinEdgar]

Apparently Unitarian Marc is at a complete loss for words. . . Not surprising really considering that his foot is very firmly planted in his mouth in yet another case of U*U foot-in-mouth disease. . .

[UnitarianMarc]

What an asshole. You're lucky you didn't get your ass beaten. Persons of any faith would  have done that.