American cars are shit, through and through. There's nothing you can find in an American car that wasn't built better in a German, Italian, British, etc. The only "heritage" you'll find in American cars are with the Mustang and Corvette and while both have interesting pasts, their new models have nothing on Euros.
@morphene285 Well, I only had a few spots to film from and afterwards I took these two cars out from the rest. There where a lot of cars running around that track this day so it wasn´t supposed to be specifically about R8 and Gallardo. It just happened. :-)
4-4? in any real comparison test the audi wud have won.. who cares about horsepower and weight? what matters is acceleration and the audi wins that one.. despite having less horsepower and more weight. the audi wud have won any kind of race, other than maybe a 3 mile drag race, which the lambo wud win b/c of higher top speed.
Audi is Lambo's parent company. Why would they sell the Gallardo for that much more than the R8 and have the R8 be better? Plus, this video compares the R8 coupe to the Gallardo spyder, which really isn't fair. The R8 is an awesome car, but it's not nearly as good as a Lamborghini.
Wow.. A car video comparing Lamboghini vs Audi. But where is the bewildered flagwaving american fuckwits?? There is always a few shouting about how their holy Corvette ZEE AAR ONE will smoke, rape, kill, destroy anything else... As if there really was a god damn war out there for supremacy in the car world.
@Janusha: :) could be worst. I'm surprised I havent seen people posting negative comments on this video about all american cars. Nah. That never happens. (sarcastically) People never down play american cars on youtube. People never assume just because the car is american branded, that its trash. Once again, In case you didn't know. Im being sacastic. :)
yes I know :) But.. im not going too far when I suggest that perhaps car magazines and TV shows, there are 100s of them around Europe, all collectively bash american cars because they do tend to be kinda crap. In all fairness good american cars can be counted on 1 hand. But what americans dont understand is that we give the exact same treatment to our own cars when they arent good. However in the latest issue of CAR, no US-car was trashed. Because as far as I could tell, none were mentioned.
Im a designer and I can tell you beauty is in the eye of the beholder right down to "whats your favourite color" beyond that, design is what sells the car. Nobody will deny the technology Porsche has but nobody in their right minds can call them beautiful either.
@youlance29 Actually top gear did compare the R8 and R8 smoked ZR1 like what it actually is piece of shit box plastic made car that is falling apart when driven. By the way R8 is the worlds best sports car ever, already choose twice. ZR1 Still the same plastic shit box car ever.
@Janusha Well just shows you how stupid they really are, They only have one car to shout about where as we Europeans appreciate all cars. What makes it more funny there isn't a ZR1 even in this video but they cant help but mention it like its a sex toy maybe they'll shove it up there arse lol
Well... They bring up the holy ZEE AAR ONE in every discussion as an answer to any car Europe builds from a 1.8 litre Lotus to Ferrari Enzo and other hypercars. Because after all... America has nothing else to shout about. And even the ZR1 is completly the same car today as it was last year and the year before. Ferrari has built 430, 16M, 599GTB, FXX, GTO, California and the 458 and the Corvette is still the same old Corvette. America isnt even in the game. Only in their minds.
@Janusha lol i totally agree.. but would i be a pissfuck flagwaving moron american if i said my little chevy impala v6 would kill that gallardo? yes.. yes i think i would be lmao! :P
Certainly SOME frantic flagwavers say such things. Euro supercars are however refreshingly disconcerned with top speeds. I like that. On the topic of american cars vs the world, Id like to say.. America never competed on style, quality or handling and have decided such extravagant feats are for snobbish europeans that cant drive a "mans car" Whereas I think handling is what a car does.. If it isnt built by morons that just didnt care.
@Janusha shit yea a car can have 7 billion horsepower but the car isnt worth a shit if you can only go in a straight line and not kill yourself lol. the impala has great handling in my experience tho. i live in the mountains in KY and you need a car that can handle very well and one with quickness lol. the impala does just fine ;)
I obviously cant imagine for the life of me that this Impala has handling even worthy of a mexican built WV beetle but out of interrest.... What kind of Impala would this be ?
Oh christ.. I looked at it now. This is what represents everything which has gone wrong with american cars. I first see the original Impalas. Stylish and cool. Then the 2003 one which is a throroughly cater-for-all squeeky plastic for the masses deal. Any corner that could possibly be cut to save a dollar, has been cut. This is the kinda crap GM is content with these days. Its shameful. Im sure it goes vaguely in the direction you point it.. but handling. Thats something else.
@Janusha lmao!! yea gm cars give me a migraine! but its been running for 140k miles and she hasnt had 1 major breakdown except that the brakes went out once and the occasional oil and tire change and dent or ding lol if the tires are screwed or its a gravel road i the car will slide a bit and if im going over 75 on sharp curves. but anything lower and she can take them great!
@StuRaz argument? i didnt know we were arguing lol but what i was meaning about the 140k miles is that the car is still GOING! and wow how is not a somewhat quality car to be running after 140k miles of running it as hard as i can? lol thats an argument ;) thanks for your 1 and a half cents lol
@WooZIE997 According to your logic public trains are the finest pieces of engineering. There's no talent in fitting crude parts to a car that just simply work and driving a bad car to be amazed that it's still running after so long is a very poor argument.
@WooZIE997 You said build quality is not how well a car is put together but how far you can drive it. So, using your logic a public train is better built than the likes of a R8 or Lamborghini.
What does my car have to do with how well built cars are? That's like saying Michael Schumacher wouldn't know anything about cars because he drives a Fiat Croma, or Isambard Kingdom Brunell doesn't know anything about construction because his house had a window leak. Pillock.
@Janusha I'm an American and i know the Corvette ZR-1 would get killed by these 2 and most other European cars. It might have the speed at 3.4secs 0-60 and a top speed of 205mph vs Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI Quattro 3.9secs 0-60 and a top speed of 197mph and Gallardo Spyder LP560-4 4secs 0-60 and 201mph but it doesnt have the handling and cornering of most European cars. The Corvette is even faster than the Ferrari 458 Italia (3.4secs 0-60 as well but only 202mph). But again it is would lose in a race.
You feel you need to say you are american as if its incredible that an american can come to this conclusion. Well.. most people that discuss Corvettes and Vipers arent so much talking about cars as they are waving flags for american superiority. Logic and facts arent important to them. If the Corvette shows us anything its that you CAN have the supercar experience without buildquality, styling, handling or technology but exactly because it doesnt have any of that, it cannot be called a supercar.
@Amidat And yet again, I win... No surprise there... $100,000 says you'll reply withnsome more bullshit. "Last word"? More like you ran out of things to say...
@twitchmassacre - didn't run out of things to say.....but don't like wasting time. You sure didn't "win" anything. All you did was state your opinion. Judging by the people who are on this thread who prefer the R8 - I think you are the one in the minority opinion. I also think you are obsessive. Later.... Keep your 100k - I don't gamble. You can buy another car with that.
@Amidat P.S. When I said "it can't beat it around a track" I was referring to the R8 V10 vs the LP560-4. the R8 has yet to post a faster lap time than the Gallardo and also has a lower slalom and skid pad result than both the LP560-4 and LFA.
@Amidat And yes I would rather spend that money on a LP560-4 pr a 458 Italia but the LFA is worth what it's worht. Toyota makes no profit from the car as their carbon fiber production method is very expensive and they don't have a company like Lambo to split costs with. You say that the magazines say that it laps better than the Gallardo? IT CANT BEAT IT AROUND A TRACK, so that is pretty much BULLSHIT. And no the LFA isn't better than the Gallardo, as the Gallardo smashes it from 0-Top Speed.
@ Amidat Now quit making assumptions like "I hate Audi". I most definitely do not hate Audis. I just don't share your opinion about the R8 being the car that you and many other people try to draw it up to be. P.S. The fact that Audi intentionally underperforms their R8s does not make me feel better about my Lambo, the fact that my Lambo IS A LAMBO is what makes me feel better, as I have the highest quality product, build to the highest PERFORMANCE standards, and not just a detuned version of one
@twitchmassacre - you certainly do hate Audi. The same things you complain about the R8 is the same things you try to defend Lambo with against Ferrari. That is hypocritical. I've seen you do the same thing on videos where the Audi S4 beat the BMW 335. You will continue to deny so I'll just leave it alone. I know you love to have the last word so you'll reply again with some other personal opinion of yours. I'm done.
@Amidat You're just mad that Lexus was able to create a performance car which is actually focused on PERFORMING, not on being "comfy". And you still think that because the R8 is midengined it will automatically be better handling? The 599 GTB handles better than the LP640, the SLS AMG and GTR better than the R8, the ZR1 outcorners the Carrera GT, ect. P.S. The LFA is not a stripped down variant like the R8 GT, and still laps better, the GTR Spec V is, and it also performs better than the R8 GT.
@twitchmassacre - For 300+k there are MUCH better ways to spend your money. Is that LFA worth that much more than a Nissan GTR? NO. Worth more than a Ferrari 458? - NO. Worth more than a 911 Turbo? - NO. Worth more than an R8 GT? - NO!! Not mad at Lexus at all. If that car was even 175k - it would be an achievement.....but not 375k. It's not like it's innovative as when the Acura NSX came out. Go ahead and reply with some diatribe....i know you can't resist having the last word.
@Amidat You've said you're done 3 times yet you're not quite done now are you? The LFA is too expensive, yes that's true but the point is that Lexus actually tried to make a good PERFORMANCE car whereas the R8 was a halfhearted attempt. And not innovative? Toyota developed an entirely new way to create the carbon weave for the car, and it ended up being up to par with methods used in aeronautical engineering, it might not be that great of a car, bt let's not kid ourselves, it is GOOD.
@Amidat Now get off the Magazine review bullshit for a second and think about this. WHAT CONTEMPORARY PERFORMANCE CAR CAN THE R8 V10 BEAT IN A STRAIGHT LINE OR AROUND A TRACK? 911 Turbo? No! 458 Italia? Definitely not! LP560-4? Not even! And yet they name it "Performance Car of The Year" while it's performance isn't up to standards with Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, or even Nissan! Please, it's biggest praise comes from it's ease to drive and comfort, do you get what I'm saying by "soft and lazy"?
@twitchmassacre - well actually Motor Trend - Top Gear - EVo - etc. were able to make the R8 lap race tracks better than the Gallardo. It was also called better handling than the Gallardo by many of those same places that you say it doesn't lap well. Where do you get those #'s except through the same magazines you say shouldn't rate the R8 so high. Hypocrisy. If the LFA is so much better than the R8 - then that would mean it's better than the Gallardo you bought. I'm done here....
@twitchmassacre - so what do you think of last month's Motor Trend that picked the R8 V10 (not even the GT) over the Mercedes SLS and the Porsche 911 Turbo (my personal favorite)?? Is Motor Trend delusional also? Or do you think all these magazines that give the Audi R8 these victories conspiring. Btw the R8 was the slowest to 60 out of the three...but they still said it's the best....
@Amidat P.S. Re-read my comment: "Lambos have TRADITIONALLY been better road cars". KEYWORD: TRADITIONALLY. The first Lambos were driver friendly cars since they produced their first cars in 1963, not since Audi took over. They ceased to be driver friendly with the introduction of the Countach and the Silouhette in 1974 which was 11 years and MANY CARS later. The original Diablo was very heavy and hard to handle but the SV's handling was superb, and it's performance overshadowed the Ferraris.
@twitchmassacre - ok well if you give the word "traditionally" then I can't argue because I was around to know what the competition was like back then. Well from 1974 then would be the comparion. It is without question that since Audi bought Lambo - they have never been as commercially, financially or critically acclaimed as they are now. Everyone knows that but an Audi hater like you.
@Amidat In the end you need to get over it, don't give me no "AWD & luxury features", those are excuses for the R8 being designed as a pudding soft, lazy sports car which Audi didn't create for excellence, they created to fill a void in the market. As long as Audi and Lambo share the same VW ownership the Audi R8s will never measure to their counterparts from Lambo (LP560-4, LP670-4) Ferrari (458 Italia, and whatever track variant they spawn from it), and sadly even the Nissan GTR and Lexus LFA.
@twitchmassacre - NO ONE who has reviewed the R8 as a "soft, lazy" sports car EXCEPT YOU. The car has been named Best Handling (in competitions that included the Gallardo) by NUMEROUS PROFESSIONAL tests. It has been named World Performance Car TWICE!!! You are a hypcorite because you praised Lambo for being AWD and luxurious a few comments ago. I laid out why the LFA IS NOT a clear winner over the R8 GT. We will see when they are tested against each other.
@Amidat If you don't believe that Lambos have TRADITIONALLY been better road cars than Ferraris then do some research. Seriously, brush up on your history. Investigate the Lambo 350GT and 400GT which were some of the first Lambos ever produced and were produced under Ferruccio's strict guidelines. They were very well received vehicles and were considered superior road cars to Ferrari's current GTs which featured detuned racing engines which weren't as reliable or driver friendly as the Lambo's.
@twitchmassacre - The Countach and Diablo (which came out while they were owned by Chrysler) were inferior to their Ferrari counterparts. They were known for being wild and hard to manage. That was their selling point. The Testarrosa's of the world were considered much better vehicles day to day. The F40 was extreme.. Lambo's didn't start to become "user friendly" until Audi bought them. I wasn't around to read the press when those two first Lambos were produced
I'm talking about how the LFA can lap the Nurburgring in under 7:50, something we have yet to see any Audi sports car do. Considering that the R8 GT wont even come close to the LP670-4 SV's lap time, I think it is safe to say that the LFA outperforms the R8 GT. Like I said, racing success doesn't always translate to the roads. P.S. Who ever said Lambos are mass produced? And what's this about Mazda not being successful in top-tier racing? Does the 787B at the 1991 Le Mans ring any bells to you?
@twitchmassacre - the LFA is 150k more expensive than the R8 GT but does not even have the same amount of luxury features. It is made of carbon fiber but is only 100kilos lighter than the aluminum - and AWD (meaning you can drive it in the wet) R8 GT. The LFA is front engined but you expect it to handle better than the mid-engined R8 GT??? The LFA has about the same power but LESS torque. Forget lap times - let's see head to head comparison. I don't think it will favor the Lexus....
@twitchmassacre - two more things..... The R8 GT will only have 333 copies built which means it will be more exclusive than the 500 produced Lexus LFA. Toyota has spent 10 years developing the LFA and has UNDOUBTEDLY lost money. Audi I'm pretty sure makes money over the life of the entire R8 program....especially considering they can sell it's more expensive cousin which you bought....the Lambo Gallardo for added revenue.
@Amidat What the fuck are you talking about the LFA is front engined?!?!? The LFA is front-mid engined, meaning that the engine's center of mass lies behind the rear of the front axle, so its weight distribution matches that of the R8. And since when does being mid-engined means it will handle better? Cars like the Nissan GTR are front engined and they totally shit on the R8. The LFA laps the Ring in under 7:30, while Audi INTENTIONALLY underperforms for the sake of their market strategy.
@twitchmassacre - goes to show by your use of foul language that you know your argument is wrong. WRONG - the R8 has 56% of its weight going over the rear wheels. Front-mid sounds nice - but think Z4 vs. Boxster....get it?? The GTR handles like a computer game. It's capable without doubt - but it is certainly not "sharp and mechanical feeling" that you are raving the Lambos are. Well glad you know that Audi intentionally underperforms to allow you to feel good about your Lambo.
@Amidat 1- Use of foul language? Oh, I'm sorry I offended you with my dirty mouth, I didn't realize I was speaking to a nun. 2- Critically acclaimed under Audi? Seriously you have just admitted that you know nothing about Lambo before the 80s, Lambo saw commercial success with Audi but never critical acclaim, Audi's first attempt at the Lambo Gallardo resulted in a ghastly car which was shunned upon by the Lambo community, & they have yet to garner more critical acclaim than they did in the 60s.
@Amidat P.S. Don't automatically assume that having racing success always translates to making cars which are great on the roads. Look at Mazda, lots of racing success, shitty road success. Toyota in F1 was a disaster, yet the LFA is a better or at least more serious sportscar than any road car Audi has made inn the. Past and present. Oh and the Veyron's biggest similarity to the Rosemeyer is the W16 engine, but more similarities can be found on the EB110 (Pre-VW) than on the Audi.
@twitchmassacre - ummmm the Lexus LFA outperforms the R8 GT???? I didn't know they were compared head to head.... The only thing it is - is expensive because of it's carbon fiber. The LFA is WAY OVERPRICED for what it can do. What's so great about it?? The R8 GTS is doing much better in racing that the LF-A has been doing.... Mazda isn't successful in "top-tier" racing. The most successful would be Ferrari - Porsche - Audi - BMW.
@twitchmassacre ...meant to say R8 "GT3" is doing quite well on the racing circuit....while the Lexus LFA IS NOT.... And you talk about "silly magazines" rating the R8 so high (as if it is some mass produced car for the masses)... well you make a claim to how great the Lexus LFA is but I'm sure you haven't driven it so you must be relying on those "silly magazines". It's only been compared to the Nissan GTR from what I see and it didn't really outperform it. So what's your point??
@Amidat The Italians YOU know? Ummm... Sorry buddy, but I am Italian. And I didn't say "as good as Ferrari on the road" I said better. That is right, Ferrari's have traditionally been known for being better than Lambos ON THE TRACK, but on the roads Lambo's AWD, more forgiving suspension setups, and higher reliability compared to their Ferrari counterpart have set Lambo as the more suitable road car.
Thelack of a racing program however did contribute to Lambo's financial problems as winning races helps sell vehicles, and they have also missed out the engineering expertise, and innovations that result through racing, but in the end they ensured that they made cars that were as good on the roads as Ferraris are on the track, and under any standards Ferraris are superior on a track, but they are also a pain to live with on the roads. Trust me, I know, my LP560-4 replaced a 360 CS.
@twitchmassacre - you are incorrect. Lambo's are NOT mass-produced so they can sell what they make. They had financial problems because of poor management. Racing costs money it itself. It's payoff is engineering expertice. And WOW - you are the first person who says that Lambo's have traditionally been as good as Ferrari's on the road. This is the FIRST I'm hearing it. I guess you know more than the Italians I know..... hmmmm
@Amidat The lack of a racing program isn't what kept Lambo inferior to Ferrari, inn fact, only a fool would try to state right off the bat that Ferrari is superior to Lambo, because thanks to Ferruccio's no race policy is what allowed them to create cars which were ultimately better on the road, and were also more driver friendly, and this riliability bullshit you try to pull is funny, cars like the Diablo have ultimately been much more reliable than many of Ferrari's cars like the F40 and F50.
@Amidat P.S. What is this about Lambo being "exotic but not reliable"? In comparison to what? A an A4? Perhaps. But when you compare Lambo's reliability to it's true competitor, Ferrari, Lambo has always been the most reliable exotic. Their driving dynamics, and engineering hasn't always match their rivals from Maranello but they have always been the least troublesome and marginally more practical and apt for normal road use.
@twitchmassacre - Lambo's were notoriously unreliable and unlivable compared to Ferrari's and Porsche's. Part of that is their lack of race experience. If you don't know that racing teaching how to make a reliable road-going sportscar I don't know what to say. If you go visit the Lambo factory you will see how "German" it has become.
@Amidat The Audi as usual is the less performance focused variant of a very performance focused Lambo, and it can only be considered the "better buy" if the prospective buyer is looking for that type of car. As for me, I can't say that I am in favor of a "top of the range" sports car that is built to intentionally underperform simply to fill out a niche in the market, but I guess that charging less for them makes up for the fact that they aren't built to perform as well as they could.
@Amidat The R8 GT is a club sportscar which is very different to an LP560-4, so asking me If it's better to buy it over the LP560-4 is like asking if it is better to buy a pair of audiophile grade headphones over a home theater system. They don't serve the same purpose. When compared to it's proper Lambo counterpart the R8 GT is a slower, softer, less serious, less sporty, less capable, cheaper version of the LP570-4 Superleggera, much like the R8 5.2 FSI is for the LP560-4.
@Amidat Can you honestly disagree? The LP570-4 is everything the R8 GT posses as being & so much more. The R8 GT is Audi's so called "serious, track focused road going" sports car, and yet it is barely as serious as the ROAD-focused LP560-4 to which you are trying to compare it to. It seems even the Audi fans need to measure the R8 to it's less competitive siblings to justify it for being intentionally designed to be second best, hence this comparison between an R8 coupe and a Gallardo Spyder.
@twitchmassacre - well I haven't driven either car.....but I have not read one publication foreign or domestic that says the Gallardo is better. In fact - the R8 has won NUMEROUS international awards and accolades - but I don't recall seeing any for the Gallardo. I find it quite intruiging that you insist the R8 is inferior. Are you saying all these journalists have taken pay-offs to falsely report???
@Amidat By acquiring Lambo & building the Gallardo they where able to drive down production costs for their R8 by sharing parts and splitting costs with Lamborghini, and improve their once very weak brand cachet allowing them to be able to sell the R8. Understand that without Lamborghini the little R8 wouldn't have made it passed it's concept stages, and without Audi, Lambo would have simply been absorbed by another one of the many manufacturers who were initially interested in purchasing them.
@twitchmassacre - you repeated what I have been saying. Audi purchased Lambo so it could build a sports car and "spread the costs" (charging higher price for a Lambo). Audi gave Lambo money and expertise to re-tool (the Lambo V12 that went into the Murcielago hadn't been re-designed for a LONG time). Racing cars as Audi (and Porsche, Ferrari, BMW) have been doing - teaches. Lambo were exotic but never reliable. Racing is very stressful and the engineering learned helps with road cars.
@Amidat You keep quoting racing as if it has been some kind of right of passage for Audi, yet Audi's racing success has yet to translate into them creating a better road car than Lamborghini, and by using racing as an excuse to pretend Audi is superior to Lamborghini is a ridiculously cheap shot and weak argument seeing as how Ferruccio Lamborghini founded Lamborghini under a strict "no racing" policy as his goal was to create better ROAD cars than their race focused competitors at Ferrari.
@twitch - not racing has ALWAYS kept Lambo cars inferior to Ferrari. Ferrari's racing prowess benefits their road cars as well as Maserati and Alfa Romeo (all owned by Fiat). Audi's desire to build off racing is main reason to buy Lambo - (like Bentley's use a lot from A8/Phaeton). The Audi Rosemeyer concept essentially became the Bugatti Veryon. FSI - dual clutch - Quattro - etc. came about from racing. Audi competing at Lemans (etc.) benefits Lambo. See also BMW and Porsche
@Amidat The praise that the R8 gets is very similar to the praise that the GTR gets. Through journalism the GTR has garnered more praise than superior vehicles like the Enzo or Veyron, but this is because like the R8 it is viewed as a "great car FOR THE MONEY" vehicles in the the Lambo's segment don't usually get that kind of attention as they are much more exclusive and appeal to a MUCH SMALLER audience. Or will you argue that the R8 is better than a 599 based on silly magazine publications?
@Amidat You're still contradicting yourself. First you say that Piech runs it all, an now you say that Porsche Automobil Holdings runs nothing. Porsche Automobil Holdings is owned by the Piech and Porsche families collectively so how are they not "the real Porsche people"? Are they "Santa Claus" or "the fake Porsche people then? Maybe Piech has an evil twin? I don't get you.
@twitchmassacre - no contradicting. Piech owns 13% of Porsche (he is grandson to the namesake). He is also on the VW advisory board. He never liked Wiedking and never wanted him to control the group. After the takeover failed - Wiedking was fired. The CEO upset the most important shareholder....no contradiction at all. A holding company does not control operations btw - it is seperate for a reason. It took risks that almost sank Porsche.
@Amidat A holdings company controls all financial assets to a company. Forget about CEOs and research Porsche Atumobil Holdings, they own Porsche and Volkswagon,they are Piech's company, and they are merging both their subsidiaries (VW and Porsche).
@twitchmassacre - yeah and the holding company gambled and lost. Wiedking was pushed out and Piech and the remaining Porsche descendants gave power to VW.....because Piech is on the VW advisory board. This is going in circles....we'll see how it plays out. Goodbye.
@thizzellewiggle420 what don't I know?? Audi has always been successful at racing and has wanted to build an expensive road car to match (see Avus and Spyder concepts). They bought Lambo and helped them (even Lambo admits that)...they made twin cars and charge more for the Lambo to reap the benefit of the name. People like you and twitch don't get it. You prob don't know that the Audi factory where the R8 is built used to build Porsche 914 and 924. Stay out of what doesn't concern you.
@twitchmassacre - I'm not making anything up....but it's useless arguing with you. I'd like to know your vaunted opinion of the new R8 GT.... I know you'd still choose the Lambo...but from a business standpoint - which is the better buy in your opinion??
@Amidat Ahem ahem WRONG!!!!!! Audi bought Lambo to help themselves, that is what YOU don't understand. When Audi proposed the Avus and Spyder concepts to their board they were written off as "unviable bussiness cases" because Audi could not afford the production costs for such vehicles without giving it a exaggerated price tag which no one would have ever paid for an Audi.
@Amidat This company, Porsche Holdings SE, which owns VW Group & Porsche AG is owned by the Piech and Porsche families, & their goal is to merge both the VW Group & Porsche UNDER Porsche Automobil Holdings (which owns them both) as ONE FINANCIAL ENTITY, meaning that in the end both Porsche AG & VW AG will be one company, call them PorscheWagon if it makes you feel better, but they will be STILL under the control of their parent company Porsche Automobile Holdings because they are SUBSIDIARIES.
@twitchmassacre - no the bigger picture is that the holding company has NOTHING to do with the actually running of the company. It's only on paper. The holding company had to acquiesce to a "merger" with VW and had to beg the government of Quatar to help keep them afloat. The real Porsche people were not happy with the attempted takeover which is why Wiedking was fired. He damaged a decades old relationship with the companies.
@twitchmassacre - Porsche's current chief - Macht has just been announced will be replaced. Macht will be replaced in the role of Chief Executive Officer by Matthias Mueller, currently VW's current chief product planner,. Go check the business publications. You really still think that VW is not taking control over the whole group (regardless of what a prospectus said two years ago)...??
@Amidat Oh, and I could careless if you call me "a fool with money" because at least I'm not an "ignorant in debt" like you. It was my intelligence and success in my business endeavors that got me that Lambo, and it's your stupidity and arrogance that got you those Nikes. Walk along kid.
@twitchmassacre - wow if you still can't see from the press release you sent that the holding company does not and will not run the VW auto group (read "diluted shares"). In a corporate takeover the successful CEO does not get fired....yet Wendelin Wiedeking got fired from Porsche. I'm not sure how you claim to be so successful in business if you don't understand that. You spend too much time on YouTube to be a good boss. Hope to never hear from you again. Bye bye.
@Amidat It seems I'm successful enough in my business to buy a Lambo, that's about all I can say about that. Oh & don't try to talk shit now about CEO's and diluted shares. Porsche owns 51% of those VW shares which is why VW is their SUBSIDIARY, that has been my point from the start of this conversation and you have been trying to ignore that by saying idiotic shit like "Piech runs it". 1- Clearly Piech is not the CEO, 2- Clearly he only owns a minority share 3- Porsche SE is VWs parent company.
@twitchmassacre - I wasn't going to respond but you just irk me too much. IPorsche and VW have ALWAYS been like family and shared parts (later Audi as well). Porsche failed in it's takeover and Weidking - an "outsider" was fired. VW is merging Porsche it into it's operations. Piech is a "family" guy (Porsche grandson) and still has influence. Matter of fact it's because of him Audi went to LeMans and developed the R8....and the reason they bought Lambo.
@Amidat You keep ignoring the bigger picture Amidat. I am very much aware of who Pierch is, his involvement in his many successful acquisitions for the VW Group. For the last time I'll try to explain this to you, there is a company known as Porsche Autmobil Holdings, they are not the same thing as Porsche AG (the carmakers) they are more like an investment group, and they OWN BOTH, Porsche AG (which makes Porsche Automobiles) and Volkswagen AG (which owns VW cars, Bentley, Audi, and Lambo)
@Amidat, This is from Porsche Automobil Holgings' official website:
With the half-yearly financial report for the financial year 2009/10, the Porsche SE presents for the first time its figures as a financial holding company, whose substantial holdings represent the Volkswagen AG and the Porsche Zwischenholding GmbH group.
In case you can't understand what that means, I'll dumb it down to 3rd grade level for you: It means VW & Porsche cars are both represented by Porsche SE, foolish little boy
@twitchmassacre - I told you I'm done arguing with someone as thick as you. There is a thing called influence and if you don't know Piech - you don't know the car industry (especially in Germany). I'm done here. Also if you don't understand "substantial holdings" doesn't mean there in charge - then the finance degree you got isn't worth anything. Go call the headquarters in Germany and ask them who is in charge Porsche or VW. Again - I'm done here.
I wonder how far you got in your little public school if you don't understand that companies with as many shareholders as Porsche and VW are not ran by just 1 individual. Piech cannot pull on any strings because there are non to pull. These companies do what is in the best interest of their share holders to whom they have the responsibility to make profit for. No matter how much influence Piech has, and I know he has a lot, he is bound to the standard regulations that apply to all corporations.
@twitchmassacre go back and follow the trail. It was an aborted corporate takeover and VW let Porsche save face by calling it a merger. That press release states that their shares are "diluted"....but I guess you didn't understand that.
I'm done here. Enjoy the Lamborghini while Audi (and VW) laughs all the way to the bank. I'm sure they thank you for your purchase. LOL - Later!!!
@Amidat, Now for a little lesson in business for undereducated arrogant fools. Ferdinand PIECH (NOT PEICH YOU DUMBASS) only owns 13% of the shares of Porsche AG and also owns shares in Volkswagen AG he however is not a full owner. NO ONE IS. These companies have thousands of shareholders who own a small part of the company and no individual runs it. It is ran by a board of directors with the help of a Chief Executive Officer. NOW YOU KEEP IGNORING THE FACT THAT VW IS A SUBSIDIARY TO PORSCHE SE.
@Amidat The VW AG/Porsche AG merger hasn't happened yet but VW is still a REGISTERED SUBSIDIARY TO PORSCHE SE. Look it up you imbecile. Therefor VW can't buy Porsche unless Porsche sells them back their majority share of VW along with a majority share of Porsche SE. And who are you talking to? Someone with a business degree, & actual first hand experience with these cars, whereas I'm talking to a car-less child.
@twitchmassacre - you are the only fool here. As I stated you don't even know Ferdinand Peich - grandson of Ferry Porsche runs the whole show. He also ran Audi and VW. Porsche CEO was fired and replaced. The new VW CEO Martin Winterkorn (who was promoted there from Audi) runs the show. Get a life. That business degree and first-hand experience you claim didn't do much for you.
@ Amidat Audi was damaged by WWII? You are a complete ignorant. In the 1980s Audi cars were SHIT and they went through a scandal that nearly led them out of business. A little problem called "unintended acceleration" which ended up causing 6 deaths and 700 accidents. Their sales fell from the 70,000s to the 12,000s and big daddy VW had to come save them. I bet you didn't know that it wasn't until the early 90s that Audi first started building true premium cars to compete with BMW and MERC.
@twitchmassacre - again - you don't know much. If you don't know that Auto Union (who was Audi) was building premium luxury cars - along with being huge in racing back in the 1930's you can't call yourself a car historian. I won't even respond to the rest of your false argument. You don't even realize it's Audi that makes the whole VW group profitable.
@Amidat Look kid, in the 1930's there was no such thing as an official premium market. Back in the days of Auto Union there were only cars, and luxury cars, but there were no premium automobile brands yet. Audi was the last one to the party, it wasn't until the early 90s that they reinvented their business model to compete with true premium brands like BMW and Merc, until then Audi was still considered a 3rd class brand in many countries.
@twitchmassacre - the only thing you are right about is that Audi declined in the 80's and 90's. Other than that - you are WAY OFF. If you hate Audi so much then why buy a Lambo - which they own??? You said the R8 is a cheap Lambo. Hahaha. Look at the dash - nav - climate control - etc. in the Gallardo. Those come from the Audi parts bin. The climat control temp screens are from the old A6. You are a rich fool (if you really are rich). What's that they say about a fool and his money????
@Amidat First off, I don't hate Audi. Second of all, I bought the Gallardo because it is an excellent car and it's fun to drive. I had originally bought an R8 5.2 FSI and got tired of waiting around for a car that is designed to be the cheaper and less expensive version of another. Sat Nav and Climate Control? You idiot, the Gallardo has Lambo's own cylinder heads, exhaust and intake manifolds, and a sharper engine mapping which accounts for the LP560-4's extra power output and higher price tag.
@twitchmassacre - as I said - I'm done here. Yes - exactly the interior pieces can be found in "cheap" (to you) - like an A6. I guess that aluminum body Audi builds for them (and taught them) was cheap to. You think cylinder heads and engine mapping are worth an extra 100K (at least you admit Audi designed the structure of the engine). Again the old saying of "a fool and his money". Just say "I'd rather be seen in a Lambo" and I would respect you. All the other stuff is pure non-sense.
@Amidat 1- I don't rathe be seen in a Lambo, I just rather have my car be fast and not an intentionally slow overpriced Audi. 11.2 seconds to the quarter mile will always be worth the extra $100K. P.S. PORSCHE HOLDINGS OWNS VW. I have provided you with official reputable sources, you have done nothing but provide me with bullshit.
@ Amidat, Now since 2009, Porsche which now owns VolksWagen AG the parent company of the Volkswagen Group plans to merge both subsidiaries, Volkswagen AG and Porsche AG by 2011 which will mean that there will no longer be a VolksWagen AG or a VW Group, it will be renamed Porshce Group and VW, Audi, Lamborghini, and Bentley will thus be direct subsidiaries to Porsche AG. There you go dumbass! P.S. 4 valves per cylinder had never been used by Audi prior to Lambo, they used 5 idiot.
@twitchmassacre - The deal is no merger clown. Porsche almost went bankrupt trying to buy them. No more than the so-called merger between Daimler and Chrysler. If you don't know how Peich pulls the strings you don't know about VW/Porsche. Audi only used 5 valves per cylinder through ONE engine cycle. At that time it was only they and Ferrari attempting to do it. They went BACK to 4 valves because 5 wouldn't fit in the new engine designs. Oh well - look who I'm arguing with.
@ Amidat Oh, by the way, you are TERRIBLY WRONG when you said that Porsche is under the Volkswagen umbrella. Porsche AG is owned by Porsche Automobil Holding SE. The Volkswagen group is also a subsidiary owned by Porsche Automobil Holding SE. It is Volkswagen which is under the Porsche Umbrella.
@twitchmassacre - if you don't understand that Porsche is coming under VW's wing then you don't read any business publications. Porsche tried to take over the group but failed!!! Ferry Porsche's grandson Ferdinand Peich is on the VW supervisory board and he wanted "his family business" back under control. He pulled all the strings. You probably don't even know that Porsche designed the Beetle.
@Amidat Hahahaha, your arrogance is incredible. It's even sad. I bet you're one of those no-car-having, magazine reading, youtube "car critics" who think they know it all. Here is a little history lesson for you dear boy. In 2009 Porsche Automobil Holdings SE acquired a majority stock (increased to 51% from their prior 31% ownership) of Volkswagen AG. Volkswagen AG is now a REGISTERED SUBSIDIARY of Porsche Autmobil Holding SE. Giving Porsche control over the VW Group.
You are aware that by acquiring Lambo, Audi inherited many of their technologies which they now implement in their vehicles. Both firms now use technologies from each other, for example Audi adopted Lamborghini's 4 valve per cylinder set up for the 5.2L V10 whereas Lambo adopted Audi's FSI technology. P.S. Quit talking about racing programs, it was Ferrucio's intention to keep Lamborghini out of racing, and stop acting like Audi saved Lambo, Audi is a as much a salvaged company as Lambo is.
@twitchmassacre - hahaha - "4 valve per cylinder". Everybody had that setup. Name one tech that Audi got from Lambo. E-Gear and THAT'S IT!!! Audi was damaged because of WWII - not because of poor management like Lambo. Again - you are just upset because you paid 100k more for the same car. You are a joker - I won't even argue with you. If you don't know Lambo was saved by Audi it's a waste to debate anything with you.
some of these arguments are comical. Lambo fans should be glad that Audi saved Lambo from extinction....instead they sound resentful. Let's see....who's racing programs are more successful??
@JonnyFaroughi Oh, by the way, if you're going to be a bold and daring little boy and say that what I'm talking about is nonsense then why don't you check out my latest video review of both my M6 and LP560-4 where I include the results for actual TELEMETRY tests performed on the LP560-4 by Road & Track giving a detailed overview of the cars performance from every interval between 0 and 120 MPH. It's right at the end of my video. Maybe it will help you not make a fool out of yourself next time.
@twitchmassacre well then, I'll take this opportunity to apologize and also to give you kudos for decent reviews. I still like the Audi more than the Lambo, but that's probably just because I've always thought Lamborghini is just a tad superfluous with their external designs.
@twitchmassacre and just so you don't draw any conclusions, I'm not some top gear fanboy, frankly I only watch top gear irregularly, and have only done so for a year or so. For such a car enthusiast though, it does raid a question. Why does a car enthusiast such as yourself spend so much time shooting down ignorant fanboys over the internet?
@JonnyFaroughi I'm not trying to shoot anyone down, I'm just sharing what I know. It's just very irritating when people reply with the usual "you're an idiot, you have no idea, do research BS" in the end I'm not trying to sway your opinion, just giving you my two cents worth.
The R8 V10 is much better than the Lambo in my opinion, sure, the Lambo has a slightly lighter curb weight and a bit more torque and horsepower, but the Audi makes that up with its faster acceleration, its cheaper cost and its unbelievable handling. Plus, if you go everywhere in an Audi, people actually respect you. Whereas if you go everywhere in a Lambo, you look like a complete tool and people get bored of it. The Audi has more charm than any other supercar. "A real driver's car" - Top Gear
@JonnyFaroughi Faster acceleration? The R8 is so damn slow off the line compared to the LP560-4. Goes to show, those Top Gear queers really are just a bunch of clowns.
@twitchmassacre go do some research and read some RECORDED statistics mate. It's not exactly multiple seconds faster but it will get to 0-100km/h faster than the lambo. Oh, and did I mention the sound? The roar out of an Audi r8 v10 is biblical. And don't go calling the people out of Top Gear a bunch of clowns. They know their cars, and they know them well, much better than I would assume you do, seeing that you're spitting out this nonsense.
@JonnyFaroughi You are an idiot. I own an LP560-4, I know from first-hand EXPERIENCE it is faster than the R8 V10. The Spyder is obviously slower from 0-100km/h but the coupe will hit 0-100 in 3.2 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 11.2, thats 4 tenths of a second faster than the tested times for the R8 V10. "Biblical" I can see you are just a Top Gear fanboy who has never been in one of these cars himself, thinks Jeremy Clarkson is god, and believes that Top Gear serves a purpose beyond entertainment.
@twitchmassacre - every magazine that I've read also said that the Audi handles better than the Gallardo (maybe not as sharply but more capably). Are you upset that you paid that much for a Lambo (which itself uses a lot of engineering) and it's German parents released a car that performs almost the same...??? You can be mad at Audi - but when you buy a Lambo you still put money in Audi's pocket...
@Amidat What are you talking about being mad? I owned the R8 5.2 FSI before the LP560-4 it is nothing more than a cheaper, detuned, slower LP560-4, and it's noticeable. The Audi doesn't handle better it is simply more comfortable, which is a silly advantage for a car that isn't meant to be driven everyday. Look at the track results, the Lambo is much more capable around the track than the R8, and that is all I care about.
@JonnyFaroughi Too bad the R8 is doomed to be seen as a tools car seeing as how no matter where you look it's right there in your face. Movies, billboard, commercials..I love the r8, it's my dream car but even I'm getting sick of seeing it
@tsukoyomi2021 that's true, even i'm starting to feel that audi is starting to overadvertise and overcompensate with the r8. you're right, it's my dream car too, but it's kind of destined to become a douchebag rich-kids car, unless audi get the message about the car out, then stop, and leave the consumer market to love it, rather than shoving it down their throats and putting it in second-rate, over budgeted hollywood movies, like they've done with the veyron.
@DiabloVT60 Those aren't "official numbers" those are "Manufacturer's Claimed" numbers which are usually conservative. The LP560-4 Coupe will do 0-60 in 3.2, 0-120 in 9.7 and the 1/4 mile in 11.2, which is even faster than the LP640. I uploaded a video of my LP560-4 with a data panel at the end of the video showing the vehicles telemetry results from every interval starting at 0 and ending at the 1/4 mile.
Tack för svenskt.
Mukadez 7 months ago
American cars are shit, through and through. There's nothing you can find in an American car that wasn't built better in a German, Italian, British, etc. The only "heritage" you'll find in American cars are with the Mustang and Corvette and while both have interesting pasts, their new models have nothing on Euros.
Hokeez87 9 months ago 3
sucks!
Anger20008 1 year ago
0 minutes 48 seconds, this son is amazing! !!!!!!!!!!!
goonchu 1 year ago
Still like the lambo better
mrexoticman 1 year ago
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jakebrijill15 1 year ago
@jakebrijill15 No, trabant is better.
retetikker 10 months ago
Why is it always coming out of a corner and accelerating . . . ? ? ?
morphene285 1 year ago 2
@morphene285 Well, I only had a few spots to film from and afterwards I took these two cars out from the rest. There where a lot of cars running around that track this day so it wasn´t supposed to be specifically about R8 and Gallardo. It just happened. :-)
sportbilen 1 year ago
@sportbilen Ah, okay, was just a thought that popped in my head. Those are nice cars, and nice vid. ; )
morphene285 1 year ago
4-4? in any real comparison test the audi wud have won.. who cares about horsepower and weight? what matters is acceleration and the audi wins that one.. despite having less horsepower and more weight. the audi wud have won any kind of race, other than maybe a 3 mile drag race, which the lambo wud win b/c of higher top speed.
GraveDiggerIII 1 year ago
@GraveDiggerIII
Audi is Lambo's parent company. Why would they sell the Gallardo for that much more than the R8 and have the R8 be better? Plus, this video compares the R8 coupe to the Gallardo spyder, which really isn't fair. The R8 is an awesome car, but it's not nearly as good as a Lamborghini.
MikeyAC86 1 year ago
@MikeyAC86 - The characters of the 2 cars are quite different.... the R8 is for "everyday use" - the Lambo is extreme
Amidat 1 month ago
There is no ZR1 in this vid. Howcome there are uneducated dumbasses in every car clip preaching the ZR1 like christians.
PijnigeR 1 year ago
There is a WAR! We will Prevail ZR1 forever.
Champtiste1 1 year ago
fuck zr1 shit lovers
shawnleezam7 1 year ago
One of the best sounding videos ever on YouTube.
VeyronGlen 1 year ago
WTF! u ignorant bastards! i had ten of these.
munkybalanar 1 year ago
both cars fuckin bring it
derfettemoechtegern 1 year ago
id get the coupe then the v1o and roadster
lamboisking 1 year ago
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VicksMyFriend 1 year ago
Audi R8 wins every car, so stfu you that don't like the R8.
henrybarca85 1 year ago
@henrybarca85 so now everyone that sees this can tell that you dont know shit about cars,
dont sweat it kid.
you just prob think that cuz its ''cooler'' right?
MrEcks998 1 year ago
@MrEcks998 No, because it's faster than any other car.
henrybarca85 1 year ago
@henrybarca85 lmao dude, can't you read, the lambo is faster top speed..
geez.
MrEcks998 1 year ago
the thing i love with these too, is that they are like sisters:
The Lambo is the older, rocker one that is more exciting and stays up doing drugs and some one else.
The Audi is the younger one thats more responsible, goes to a club but leaves at 10 to get to bed for work tomorrow.
daltonklinkenberg 1 year ago
to me..-> lamborghini is a heart and audi r8 is a breath
orbitaledy 1 year ago
What a dick driving the Lambo... Killing the limitter.
kedluben 1 year ago
Wow.. A car video comparing Lamboghini vs Audi. But where is the bewildered flagwaving american fuckwits?? There is always a few shouting about how their holy Corvette ZEE AAR ONE will smoke, rape, kill, destroy anything else... As if there really was a god damn war out there for supremacy in the car world.
Janusha 1 year ago 11
@Janusha: :) could be worst. I'm surprised I havent seen people posting negative comments on this video about all american cars. Nah. That never happens. (sarcastically) People never down play american cars on youtube. People never assume just because the car is american branded, that its trash. Once again, In case you didn't know. Im being sacastic. :)
branden1979 1 year ago
yes I know :) But.. im not going too far when I suggest that perhaps car magazines and TV shows, there are 100s of them around Europe, all collectively bash american cars because they do tend to be kinda crap. In all fairness good american cars can be counted on 1 hand. But what americans dont understand is that we give the exact same treatment to our own cars when they arent good. However in the latest issue of CAR, no US-car was trashed. Because as far as I could tell, none were mentioned.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha Nothing beats a Porsche though!
Jamzkangster 1 year ago
Im sure they are good. but they are too ugly for me.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha Eh....beauty is in the eye of the beholder i guess.
I think Porsche has one of the best styles...Better than Audi and WAYYYYYY BETTER THAN NISSAN GTR or Skyline.
Jamzkangster 1 year ago
@Jamzkangster not even Audi is way more beautiful than a Porsche ur right with the Nissan thou
GR8F3 1 year ago
@GR8F3 Audi is beautiful car....I only like the R8 and RS4......
I love Porsche 911, Gt2, Carrera GT, Cayman, and Carrera 911.
Jamzkangster 1 year ago
@Jamzkangster the only Porsche i like is the Carrera GT, GT3 RS and Cayman is okay
GR8F3 1 year ago
Im a designer and I can tell you beauty is in the eye of the beholder right down to "whats your favourite color" beyond that, design is what sells the car. Nobody will deny the technology Porsche has but nobody in their right minds can call them beautiful either.
Janusha 1 year ago
ZR1 SMOKES both of these easily! WOW!
youlance29 1 year ago
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ALWAYS REMEMBER IT'S A SMOKER IT SMOKES. ITS A GM SMOKING SMOKE SMOKE GM. FREEDOM GM CHEVY I MEAN SMOKING. SMOKE SMOKING MORE ALWAYS GM SMOKE
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VicksMyFriend 1 year ago
@youlance29 Actually top gear did compare the R8 and R8 smoked ZR1 like what it actually is piece of shit box plastic made car that is falling apart when driven. By the way R8 is the worlds best sports car ever, already choose twice. ZR1 Still the same plastic shit box car ever.
TheMegaCONARTIST 1 year ago
@Janusha wow
MrEcks998 1 year ago
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@Janusha There is a WAR! We will Prevail ZR1 forever.
Champtiste1 1 year ago
@Janusha Well just shows you how stupid they really are, They only have one car to shout about where as we Europeans appreciate all cars. What makes it more funny there isn't a ZR1 even in this video but they cant help but mention it like its a sex toy maybe they'll shove it up there arse lol
masonizere 1 year ago
Well... They bring up the holy ZEE AAR ONE in every discussion as an answer to any car Europe builds from a 1.8 litre Lotus to Ferrari Enzo and other hypercars. Because after all... America has nothing else to shout about. And even the ZR1 is completly the same car today as it was last year and the year before. Ferrari has built 430, 16M, 599GTB, FXX, GTO, California and the 458 and the Corvette is still the same old Corvette. America isnt even in the game. Only in their minds.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha lol i totally agree.. but would i be a pissfuck flagwaving moron american if i said my little chevy impala v6 would kill that gallardo? yes.. yes i think i would be lmao! :P
WooZIE997 1 year ago
Certainly SOME frantic flagwavers say such things. Euro supercars are however refreshingly disconcerned with top speeds. I like that. On the topic of american cars vs the world, Id like to say.. America never competed on style, quality or handling and have decided such extravagant feats are for snobbish europeans that cant drive a "mans car" Whereas I think handling is what a car does.. If it isnt built by morons that just didnt care.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha shit yea a car can have 7 billion horsepower but the car isnt worth a shit if you can only go in a straight line and not kill yourself lol. the impala has great handling in my experience tho. i live in the mountains in KY and you need a car that can handle very well and one with quickness lol. the impala does just fine ;)
WooZIE997 1 year ago
I obviously cant imagine for the life of me that this Impala has handling even worthy of a mexican built WV beetle but out of interrest.... What kind of Impala would this be ?
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha lol its a 2003 impala LS v6. she handles great lol ive gotten out of alot of sticky situations where speed would get you nowhere ;)
WooZIE997 1 year ago
Oh christ.. I looked at it now. This is what represents everything which has gone wrong with american cars. I first see the original Impalas. Stylish and cool. Then the 2003 one which is a throroughly cater-for-all squeeky plastic for the masses deal. Any corner that could possibly be cut to save a dollar, has been cut. This is the kinda crap GM is content with these days. Its shameful. Im sure it goes vaguely in the direction you point it.. but handling. Thats something else.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha lmao!! yea gm cars give me a migraine! but its been running for 140k miles and she hasnt had 1 major breakdown except that the brakes went out once and the occasional oil and tire change and dent or ding lol if the tires are screwed or its a gravel road i the car will slide a bit and if im going over 75 on sharp curves. but anything lower and she can take them great!
WooZIE997 1 year ago
@WooZIE997 That's a poor argument because you shouldn't need to drive a car over 140k miles to see any signs of quality.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz argument? i didnt know we were arguing lol but what i was meaning about the 140k miles is that the car is still GOING! and wow how is not a somewhat quality car to be running after 140k miles of running it as hard as i can? lol thats an argument ;) thanks for your 1 and a half cents lol
WooZIE997 1 year ago
@WooZIE997 According to your logic public trains are the finest pieces of engineering. There's no talent in fitting crude parts to a car that just simply work and driving a bad car to be amazed that it's still running after so long is a very poor argument.
StuRaz 1 year ago
@StuRaz funny lol i dont think i said anything about a train lol. what kind of wonderful car do you drive?
WooZIE997 1 year ago
@WooZIE997 You said build quality is not how well a car is put together but how far you can drive it. So, using your logic a public train is better built than the likes of a R8 or Lamborghini.
What does my car have to do with how well built cars are? That's like saying Michael Schumacher wouldn't know anything about cars because he drives a Fiat Croma, or Isambard Kingdom Brunell doesn't know anything about construction because his house had a window leak. Pillock.
StuRaz 1 year ago 2
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youlance29 1 year ago
@youlance29 NO
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T67GS300 1 year ago
@youlance29 but can't keep up with r8 on corners,
jakebrijill15 1 year ago
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@Janusha You need some help with your obsession, my friend.
brin3535 1 year ago
@Janusha Hey punk, why don't you go fuck yourself? You stereotyping ignorant puke. You're a disgrace to your nation and your flag.
8s8lw8d 1 year ago
@Janusha I'm an American and i know the Corvette ZR-1 would get killed by these 2 and most other European cars. It might have the speed at 3.4secs 0-60 and a top speed of 205mph vs Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI Quattro 3.9secs 0-60 and a top speed of 197mph and Gallardo Spyder LP560-4 4secs 0-60 and 201mph but it doesnt have the handling and cornering of most European cars. The Corvette is even faster than the Ferrari 458 Italia (3.4secs 0-60 as well but only 202mph). But again it is would lose in a race.
wake0321 11 months ago
You feel you need to say you are american as if its incredible that an american can come to this conclusion. Well.. most people that discuss Corvettes and Vipers arent so much talking about cars as they are waving flags for american superiority. Logic and facts arent important to them. If the Corvette shows us anything its that you CAN have the supercar experience without buildquality, styling, handling or technology but exactly because it doesnt have any of that, it cannot be called a supercar.
Janusha 11 months ago
that test was kinda bull. shoulda had a lamborghini lp560-4 coupe instead of the conv
MichaelLeChau 1 year ago 10
@Amidat And yet again, I win... No surprise there... $100,000 says you'll reply withnsome more bullshit. "Last word"? More like you ran out of things to say...
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - didn't run out of things to say.....but don't like wasting time. You sure didn't "win" anything. All you did was state your opinion. Judging by the people who are on this thread who prefer the R8 - I think you are the one in the minority opinion. I also think you are obsessive. Later.... Keep your 100k - I don't gamble. You can buy another car with that.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat P.S. When I said "it can't beat it around a track" I was referring to the R8 V10 vs the LP560-4. the R8 has yet to post a faster lap time than the Gallardo and also has a lower slalom and skid pad result than both the LP560-4 and LFA.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - i knew you couldn't resist to have the last word.... nothing left to say. The arguments have already been made.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat And yes I would rather spend that money on a LP560-4 pr a 458 Italia but the LFA is worth what it's worht. Toyota makes no profit from the car as their carbon fiber production method is very expensive and they don't have a company like Lambo to split costs with. You say that the magazines say that it laps better than the Gallardo? IT CANT BEAT IT AROUND A TRACK, so that is pretty much BULLSHIT. And no the LFA isn't better than the Gallardo, as the Gallardo smashes it from 0-Top Speed.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@ Amidat Now quit making assumptions like "I hate Audi". I most definitely do not hate Audis. I just don't share your opinion about the R8 being the car that you and many other people try to draw it up to be. P.S. The fact that Audi intentionally underperforms their R8s does not make me feel better about my Lambo, the fact that my Lambo IS A LAMBO is what makes me feel better, as I have the highest quality product, build to the highest PERFORMANCE standards, and not just a detuned version of one
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - you certainly do hate Audi. The same things you complain about the R8 is the same things you try to defend Lambo with against Ferrari. That is hypocritical. I've seen you do the same thing on videos where the Audi S4 beat the BMW 335. You will continue to deny so I'll just leave it alone. I know you love to have the last word so you'll reply again with some other personal opinion of yours. I'm done.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat You're just mad that Lexus was able to create a performance car which is actually focused on PERFORMING, not on being "comfy". And you still think that because the R8 is midengined it will automatically be better handling? The 599 GTB handles better than the LP640, the SLS AMG and GTR better than the R8, the ZR1 outcorners the Carrera GT, ect. P.S. The LFA is not a stripped down variant like the R8 GT, and still laps better, the GTR Spec V is, and it also performs better than the R8 GT.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - For 300+k there are MUCH better ways to spend your money. Is that LFA worth that much more than a Nissan GTR? NO. Worth more than a Ferrari 458? - NO. Worth more than a 911 Turbo? - NO. Worth more than an R8 GT? - NO!! Not mad at Lexus at all. If that car was even 175k - it would be an achievement.....but not 375k. It's not like it's innovative as when the Acura NSX came out. Go ahead and reply with some diatribe....i know you can't resist having the last word.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat You've said you're done 3 times yet you're not quite done now are you? The LFA is too expensive, yes that's true but the point is that Lexus actually tried to make a good PERFORMANCE car whereas the R8 was a halfhearted attempt. And not innovative? Toyota developed an entirely new way to create the carbon weave for the car, and it ended up being up to par with methods used in aeronautical engineering, it might not be that great of a car, bt let's not kid ourselves, it is GOOD.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@Amidat Now get off the Magazine review bullshit for a second and think about this. WHAT CONTEMPORARY PERFORMANCE CAR CAN THE R8 V10 BEAT IN A STRAIGHT LINE OR AROUND A TRACK? 911 Turbo? No! 458 Italia? Definitely not! LP560-4? Not even! And yet they name it "Performance Car of The Year" while it's performance isn't up to standards with Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, or even Nissan! Please, it's biggest praise comes from it's ease to drive and comfort, do you get what I'm saying by "soft and lazy"?
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - well actually Motor Trend - Top Gear - EVo - etc. were able to make the R8 lap race tracks better than the Gallardo. It was also called better handling than the Gallardo by many of those same places that you say it doesn't lap well. Where do you get those #'s except through the same magazines you say shouldn't rate the R8 so high. Hypocrisy. If the LFA is so much better than the R8 - then that would mean it's better than the Gallardo you bought. I'm done here....
Amidat 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - so what do you think of last month's Motor Trend that picked the R8 V10 (not even the GT) over the Mercedes SLS and the Porsche 911 Turbo (my personal favorite)?? Is Motor Trend delusional also? Or do you think all these magazines that give the Audi R8 these victories conspiring. Btw the R8 was the slowest to 60 out of the three...but they still said it's the best....
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat P.S. Re-read my comment: "Lambos have TRADITIONALLY been better road cars". KEYWORD: TRADITIONALLY. The first Lambos were driver friendly cars since they produced their first cars in 1963, not since Audi took over. They ceased to be driver friendly with the introduction of the Countach and the Silouhette in 1974 which was 11 years and MANY CARS later. The original Diablo was very heavy and hard to handle but the SV's handling was superb, and it's performance overshadowed the Ferraris.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - ok well if you give the word "traditionally" then I can't argue because I was around to know what the competition was like back then. Well from 1974 then would be the comparion. It is without question that since Audi bought Lambo - they have never been as commercially, financially or critically acclaimed as they are now. Everyone knows that but an Audi hater like you.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat In the end you need to get over it, don't give me no "AWD & luxury features", those are excuses for the R8 being designed as a pudding soft, lazy sports car which Audi didn't create for excellence, they created to fill a void in the market. As long as Audi and Lambo share the same VW ownership the Audi R8s will never measure to their counterparts from Lambo (LP560-4, LP670-4) Ferrari (458 Italia, and whatever track variant they spawn from it), and sadly even the Nissan GTR and Lexus LFA.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - NO ONE who has reviewed the R8 as a "soft, lazy" sports car EXCEPT YOU. The car has been named Best Handling (in competitions that included the Gallardo) by NUMEROUS PROFESSIONAL tests. It has been named World Performance Car TWICE!!! You are a hypcorite because you praised Lambo for being AWD and luxurious a few comments ago. I laid out why the LFA IS NOT a clear winner over the R8 GT. We will see when they are tested against each other.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat If you don't believe that Lambos have TRADITIONALLY been better road cars than Ferraris then do some research. Seriously, brush up on your history. Investigate the Lambo 350GT and 400GT which were some of the first Lambos ever produced and were produced under Ferruccio's strict guidelines. They were very well received vehicles and were considered superior road cars to Ferrari's current GTs which featured detuned racing engines which weren't as reliable or driver friendly as the Lambo's.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - The Countach and Diablo (which came out while they were owned by Chrysler) were inferior to their Ferrari counterparts. They were known for being wild and hard to manage. That was their selling point. The Testarrosa's of the world were considered much better vehicles day to day. The F40 was extreme.. Lambo's didn't start to become "user friendly" until Audi bought them. I wasn't around to read the press when those two first Lambos were produced
Amidat 1 year ago
I'm talking about how the LFA can lap the Nurburgring in under 7:50, something we have yet to see any Audi sports car do. Considering that the R8 GT wont even come close to the LP670-4 SV's lap time, I think it is safe to say that the LFA outperforms the R8 GT. Like I said, racing success doesn't always translate to the roads. P.S. Who ever said Lambos are mass produced? And what's this about Mazda not being successful in top-tier racing? Does the 787B at the 1991 Le Mans ring any bells to you?
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - the LFA is 150k more expensive than the R8 GT but does not even have the same amount of luxury features. It is made of carbon fiber but is only 100kilos lighter than the aluminum - and AWD (meaning you can drive it in the wet) R8 GT. The LFA is front engined but you expect it to handle better than the mid-engined R8 GT??? The LFA has about the same power but LESS torque. Forget lap times - let's see head to head comparison. I don't think it will favor the Lexus....
Amidat 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - two more things..... The R8 GT will only have 333 copies built which means it will be more exclusive than the 500 produced Lexus LFA. Toyota has spent 10 years developing the LFA and has UNDOUBTEDLY lost money. Audi I'm pretty sure makes money over the life of the entire R8 program....especially considering they can sell it's more expensive cousin which you bought....the Lambo Gallardo for added revenue.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat What the fuck are you talking about the LFA is front engined?!?!? The LFA is front-mid engined, meaning that the engine's center of mass lies behind the rear of the front axle, so its weight distribution matches that of the R8. And since when does being mid-engined means it will handle better? Cars like the Nissan GTR are front engined and they totally shit on the R8. The LFA laps the Ring in under 7:30, while Audi INTENTIONALLY underperforms for the sake of their market strategy.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - goes to show by your use of foul language that you know your argument is wrong. WRONG - the R8 has 56% of its weight going over the rear wheels. Front-mid sounds nice - but think Z4 vs. Boxster....get it?? The GTR handles like a computer game. It's capable without doubt - but it is certainly not "sharp and mechanical feeling" that you are raving the Lambos are. Well glad you know that Audi intentionally underperforms to allow you to feel good about your Lambo.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat 1- Use of foul language? Oh, I'm sorry I offended you with my dirty mouth, I didn't realize I was speaking to a nun. 2- Critically acclaimed under Audi? Seriously you have just admitted that you know nothing about Lambo before the 80s, Lambo saw commercial success with Audi but never critical acclaim, Audi's first attempt at the Lambo Gallardo resulted in a ghastly car which was shunned upon by the Lambo community, & they have yet to garner more critical acclaim than they did in the 60s.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@Amidat P.S. Don't automatically assume that having racing success always translates to making cars which are great on the roads. Look at Mazda, lots of racing success, shitty road success. Toyota in F1 was a disaster, yet the LFA is a better or at least more serious sportscar than any road car Audi has made inn the. Past and present. Oh and the Veyron's biggest similarity to the Rosemeyer is the W16 engine, but more similarities can be found on the EB110 (Pre-VW) than on the Audi.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - ummmm the Lexus LFA outperforms the R8 GT???? I didn't know they were compared head to head.... The only thing it is - is expensive because of it's carbon fiber. The LFA is WAY OVERPRICED for what it can do. What's so great about it?? The R8 GTS is doing much better in racing that the LF-A has been doing.... Mazda isn't successful in "top-tier" racing. The most successful would be Ferrari - Porsche - Audi - BMW.
Amidat 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre ...meant to say R8 "GT3" is doing quite well on the racing circuit....while the Lexus LFA IS NOT.... And you talk about "silly magazines" rating the R8 so high (as if it is some mass produced car for the masses)... well you make a claim to how great the Lexus LFA is but I'm sure you haven't driven it so you must be relying on those "silly magazines". It's only been compared to the Nissan GTR from what I see and it didn't really outperform it. So what's your point??
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat The Italians YOU know? Ummm... Sorry buddy, but I am Italian. And I didn't say "as good as Ferrari on the road" I said better. That is right, Ferrari's have traditionally been known for being better than Lambos ON THE TRACK, but on the roads Lambo's AWD, more forgiving suspension setups, and higher reliability compared to their Ferrari counterpart have set Lambo as the more suitable road car.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
Thelack of a racing program however did contribute to Lambo's financial problems as winning races helps sell vehicles, and they have also missed out the engineering expertise, and innovations that result through racing, but in the end they ensured that they made cars that were as good on the roads as Ferraris are on the track, and under any standards Ferraris are superior on a track, but they are also a pain to live with on the roads. Trust me, I know, my LP560-4 replaced a 360 CS.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - you are incorrect. Lambo's are NOT mass-produced so they can sell what they make. They had financial problems because of poor management. Racing costs money it itself. It's payoff is engineering expertice. And WOW - you are the first person who says that Lambo's have traditionally been as good as Ferrari's on the road. This is the FIRST I'm hearing it. I guess you know more than the Italians I know..... hmmmm
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat The lack of a racing program isn't what kept Lambo inferior to Ferrari, inn fact, only a fool would try to state right off the bat that Ferrari is superior to Lambo, because thanks to Ferruccio's no race policy is what allowed them to create cars which were ultimately better on the road, and were also more driver friendly, and this riliability bullshit you try to pull is funny, cars like the Diablo have ultimately been much more reliable than many of Ferrari's cars like the F40 and F50.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@Amidat P.S. What is this about Lambo being "exotic but not reliable"? In comparison to what? A an A4? Perhaps. But when you compare Lambo's reliability to it's true competitor, Ferrari, Lambo has always been the most reliable exotic. Their driving dynamics, and engineering hasn't always match their rivals from Maranello but they have always been the least troublesome and marginally more practical and apt for normal road use.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - Lambo's were notoriously unreliable and unlivable compared to Ferrari's and Porsche's. Part of that is their lack of race experience. If you don't know that racing teaching how to make a reliable road-going sportscar I don't know what to say. If you go visit the Lambo factory you will see how "German" it has become.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat The Audi as usual is the less performance focused variant of a very performance focused Lambo, and it can only be considered the "better buy" if the prospective buyer is looking for that type of car. As for me, I can't say that I am in favor of a "top of the range" sports car that is built to intentionally underperform simply to fill out a niche in the market, but I guess that charging less for them makes up for the fact that they aren't built to perform as well as they could.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@Amidat The R8 GT is a club sportscar which is very different to an LP560-4, so asking me If it's better to buy it over the LP560-4 is like asking if it is better to buy a pair of audiophile grade headphones over a home theater system. They don't serve the same purpose. When compared to it's proper Lambo counterpart the R8 GT is a slower, softer, less serious, less sporty, less capable, cheaper version of the LP570-4 Superleggera, much like the R8 5.2 FSI is for the LP560-4.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - yeah I thought you'd say the R8 GT didn't measure up to the Gallardo. Not suprised.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat Can you honestly disagree? The LP570-4 is everything the R8 GT posses as being & so much more. The R8 GT is Audi's so called "serious, track focused road going" sports car, and yet it is barely as serious as the ROAD-focused LP560-4 to which you are trying to compare it to. It seems even the Audi fans need to measure the R8 to it's less competitive siblings to justify it for being intentionally designed to be second best, hence this comparison between an R8 coupe and a Gallardo Spyder.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - well I haven't driven either car.....but I have not read one publication foreign or domestic that says the Gallardo is better. In fact - the R8 has won NUMEROUS international awards and accolades - but I don't recall seeing any for the Gallardo. I find it quite intruiging that you insist the R8 is inferior. Are you saying all these journalists have taken pay-offs to falsely report???
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat By acquiring Lambo & building the Gallardo they where able to drive down production costs for their R8 by sharing parts and splitting costs with Lamborghini, and improve their once very weak brand cachet allowing them to be able to sell the R8. Understand that without Lamborghini the little R8 wouldn't have made it passed it's concept stages, and without Audi, Lambo would have simply been absorbed by another one of the many manufacturers who were initially interested in purchasing them.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - you repeated what I have been saying. Audi purchased Lambo so it could build a sports car and "spread the costs" (charging higher price for a Lambo). Audi gave Lambo money and expertise to re-tool (the Lambo V12 that went into the Murcielago hadn't been re-designed for a LONG time). Racing cars as Audi (and Porsche, Ferrari, BMW) have been doing - teaches. Lambo were exotic but never reliable. Racing is very stressful and the engineering learned helps with road cars.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat You keep quoting racing as if it has been some kind of right of passage for Audi, yet Audi's racing success has yet to translate into them creating a better road car than Lamborghini, and by using racing as an excuse to pretend Audi is superior to Lamborghini is a ridiculously cheap shot and weak argument seeing as how Ferruccio Lamborghini founded Lamborghini under a strict "no racing" policy as his goal was to create better ROAD cars than their race focused competitors at Ferrari.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitch - not racing has ALWAYS kept Lambo cars inferior to Ferrari. Ferrari's racing prowess benefits their road cars as well as Maserati and Alfa Romeo (all owned by Fiat). Audi's desire to build off racing is main reason to buy Lambo - (like Bentley's use a lot from A8/Phaeton). The Audi Rosemeyer concept essentially became the Bugatti Veryon. FSI - dual clutch - Quattro - etc. came about from racing. Audi competing at Lemans (etc.) benefits Lambo. See also BMW and Porsche
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat The praise that the R8 gets is very similar to the praise that the GTR gets. Through journalism the GTR has garnered more praise than superior vehicles like the Enzo or Veyron, but this is because like the R8 it is viewed as a "great car FOR THE MONEY" vehicles in the the Lambo's segment don't usually get that kind of attention as they are much more exclusive and appeal to a MUCH SMALLER audience. Or will you argue that the R8 is better than a 599 based on silly magazine publications?
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
I love both. The two cars are related. I love both. :D
Idi257 1 year ago
@Amidat You're still contradicting yourself. First you say that Piech runs it all, an now you say that Porsche Automobil Holdings runs nothing. Porsche Automobil Holdings is owned by the Piech and Porsche families collectively so how are they not "the real Porsche people"? Are they "Santa Claus" or "the fake Porsche people then? Maybe Piech has an evil twin? I don't get you.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - no contradicting. Piech owns 13% of Porsche (he is grandson to the namesake). He is also on the VW advisory board. He never liked Wiedking and never wanted him to control the group. After the takeover failed - Wiedking was fired. The CEO upset the most important shareholder....no contradiction at all. A holding company does not control operations btw - it is seperate for a reason. It took risks that almost sank Porsche.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat A holdings company controls all financial assets to a company. Forget about CEOs and research Porsche Atumobil Holdings, they own Porsche and Volkswagon,they are Piech's company, and they are merging both their subsidiaries (VW and Porsche).
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - yeah and the holding company gambled and lost. Wiedking was pushed out and Piech and the remaining Porsche descendants gave power to VW.....because Piech is on the VW advisory board. This is going in circles....we'll see how it plays out. Goodbye.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat You're making up a lot of shit. VW is a SUBSIDIARY to Porsche Automobil Holdings. End of story.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre your right. amidat is a piece of shit who knows nothing
thizzellewiggle420 1 year ago
@thizzellewiggle420 what don't I know?? Audi has always been successful at racing and has wanted to build an expensive road car to match (see Avus and Spyder concepts). They bought Lambo and helped them (even Lambo admits that)...they made twin cars and charge more for the Lambo to reap the benefit of the name. People like you and twitch don't get it. You prob don't know that the Audi factory where the R8 is built used to build Porsche 914 and 924. Stay out of what doesn't concern you.
Amidat 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - I'm not making anything up....but it's useless arguing with you. I'd like to know your vaunted opinion of the new R8 GT.... I know you'd still choose the Lambo...but from a business standpoint - which is the better buy in your opinion??
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat Ahem ahem WRONG!!!!!! Audi bought Lambo to help themselves, that is what YOU don't understand. When Audi proposed the Avus and Spyder concepts to their board they were written off as "unviable bussiness cases" because Audi could not afford the production costs for such vehicles without giving it a exaggerated price tag which no one would have ever paid for an Audi.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@Amidat This company, Porsche Holdings SE, which owns VW Group & Porsche AG is owned by the Piech and Porsche families, & their goal is to merge both the VW Group & Porsche UNDER Porsche Automobil Holdings (which owns them both) as ONE FINANCIAL ENTITY, meaning that in the end both Porsche AG & VW AG will be one company, call them PorscheWagon if it makes you feel better, but they will be STILL under the control of their parent company Porsche Automobile Holdings because they are SUBSIDIARIES.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - no the bigger picture is that the holding company has NOTHING to do with the actually running of the company. It's only on paper. The holding company had to acquiesce to a "merger" with VW and had to beg the government of Quatar to help keep them afloat. The real Porsche people were not happy with the attempted takeover which is why Wiedking was fired. He damaged a decades old relationship with the companies.
Amidat 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - Porsche's current chief - Macht has just been announced will be replaced. Macht will be replaced in the role of Chief Executive Officer by Matthias Mueller, currently VW's current chief product planner,. Go check the business publications. You really still think that VW is not taking control over the whole group (regardless of what a prospectus said two years ago)...??
Amidat 1 year ago
AUDI R8 the best car!!!
redlinerumble3 1 year ago
@Amidat Oh, and I could careless if you call me "a fool with money" because at least I'm not an "ignorant in debt" like you. It was my intelligence and success in my business endeavors that got me that Lambo, and it's your stupidity and arrogance that got you those Nikes. Walk along kid.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - wow if you still can't see from the press release you sent that the holding company does not and will not run the VW auto group (read "diluted shares"). In a corporate takeover the successful CEO does not get fired....yet Wendelin Wiedeking got fired from Porsche. I'm not sure how you claim to be so successful in business if you don't understand that. You spend too much time on YouTube to be a good boss. Hope to never hear from you again. Bye bye.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat It seems I'm successful enough in my business to buy a Lambo, that's about all I can say about that. Oh & don't try to talk shit now about CEO's and diluted shares. Porsche owns 51% of those VW shares which is why VW is their SUBSIDIARY, that has been my point from the start of this conversation and you have been trying to ignore that by saying idiotic shit like "Piech runs it". 1- Clearly Piech is not the CEO, 2- Clearly he only owns a minority share 3- Porsche SE is VWs parent company.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - I wasn't going to respond but you just irk me too much. IPorsche and VW have ALWAYS been like family and shared parts (later Audi as well). Porsche failed in it's takeover and Weidking - an "outsider" was fired. VW is merging Porsche it into it's operations. Piech is a "family" guy (Porsche grandson) and still has influence. Matter of fact it's because of him Audi went to LeMans and developed the R8....and the reason they bought Lambo.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat You keep ignoring the bigger picture Amidat. I am very much aware of who Pierch is, his involvement in his many successful acquisitions for the VW Group. For the last time I'll try to explain this to you, there is a company known as Porsche Autmobil Holdings, they are not the same thing as Porsche AG (the carmakers) they are more like an investment group, and they OWN BOTH, Porsche AG (which makes Porsche Automobiles) and Volkswagen AG (which owns VW cars, Bentley, Audi, and Lambo)
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@Amidat, This is from Porsche Automobil Holgings' official website:
With the half-yearly financial report for the financial year 2009/10, the Porsche SE presents for the first time its figures as a financial holding company, whose substantial holdings represent the Volkswagen AG and the Porsche Zwischenholding GmbH group.
In case you can't understand what that means, I'll dumb it down to 3rd grade level for you: It means VW & Porsche cars are both represented by Porsche SE, foolish little boy
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - I told you I'm done arguing with someone as thick as you. There is a thing called influence and if you don't know Piech - you don't know the car industry (especially in Germany). I'm done here. Also if you don't understand "substantial holdings" doesn't mean there in charge - then the finance degree you got isn't worth anything. Go call the headquarters in Germany and ask them who is in charge Porsche or VW. Again - I'm done here.
Amidat 1 year ago
I wonder how far you got in your little public school if you don't understand that companies with as many shareholders as Porsche and VW are not ran by just 1 individual. Piech cannot pull on any strings because there are non to pull. These companies do what is in the best interest of their share holders to whom they have the responsibility to make profit for. No matter how much influence Piech has, and I know he has a lot, he is bound to the standard regulations that apply to all corporations.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
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Amidat 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre go back and follow the trail. It was an aborted corporate takeover and VW let Porsche save face by calling it a merger. That press release states that their shares are "diluted"....but I guess you didn't understand that.
I'm done here. Enjoy the Lamborghini while Audi (and VW) laughs all the way to the bank. I'm sure they thank you for your purchase. LOL - Later!!!
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat, Now for a little lesson in business for undereducated arrogant fools. Ferdinand PIECH (NOT PEICH YOU DUMBASS) only owns 13% of the shares of Porsche AG and also owns shares in Volkswagen AG he however is not a full owner. NO ONE IS. These companies have thousands of shareholders who own a small part of the company and no individual runs it. It is ran by a board of directors with the help of a Chief Executive Officer. NOW YOU KEEP IGNORING THE FACT THAT VW IS A SUBSIDIARY TO PORSCHE SE.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
oh sorry - Ferdinand Piech is the grandson of Ferdinand Porsche - not Ferry Porsche.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat The VW AG/Porsche AG merger hasn't happened yet but VW is still a REGISTERED SUBSIDIARY TO PORSCHE SE. Look it up you imbecile. Therefor VW can't buy Porsche unless Porsche sells them back their majority share of VW along with a majority share of Porsche SE. And who are you talking to? Someone with a business degree, & actual first hand experience with these cars, whereas I'm talking to a car-less child.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - you are the only fool here. As I stated you don't even know Ferdinand Peich - grandson of Ferry Porsche runs the whole show. He also ran Audi and VW. Porsche CEO was fired and replaced. The new VW CEO Martin Winterkorn (who was promoted there from Audi) runs the show. Get a life. That business degree and first-hand experience you claim didn't do much for you.
Amidat 1 year ago
@ Amidat Audi was damaged by WWII? You are a complete ignorant. In the 1980s Audi cars were SHIT and they went through a scandal that nearly led them out of business. A little problem called "unintended acceleration" which ended up causing 6 deaths and 700 accidents. Their sales fell from the 70,000s to the 12,000s and big daddy VW had to come save them. I bet you didn't know that it wasn't until the early 90s that Audi first started building true premium cars to compete with BMW and MERC.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - again - you don't know much. If you don't know that Auto Union (who was Audi) was building premium luxury cars - along with being huge in racing back in the 1930's you can't call yourself a car historian. I won't even respond to the rest of your false argument. You don't even realize it's Audi that makes the whole VW group profitable.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat Look kid, in the 1930's there was no such thing as an official premium market. Back in the days of Auto Union there were only cars, and luxury cars, but there were no premium automobile brands yet. Audi was the last one to the party, it wasn't until the early 90s that they reinvented their business model to compete with true premium brands like BMW and Merc, until then Audi was still considered a 3rd class brand in many countries.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - the only thing you are right about is that Audi declined in the 80's and 90's. Other than that - you are WAY OFF. If you hate Audi so much then why buy a Lambo - which they own??? You said the R8 is a cheap Lambo. Hahaha. Look at the dash - nav - climate control - etc. in the Gallardo. Those come from the Audi parts bin. The climat control temp screens are from the old A6. You are a rich fool (if you really are rich). What's that they say about a fool and his money????
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat First off, I don't hate Audi. Second of all, I bought the Gallardo because it is an excellent car and it's fun to drive. I had originally bought an R8 5.2 FSI and got tired of waiting around for a car that is designed to be the cheaper and less expensive version of another. Sat Nav and Climate Control? You idiot, the Gallardo has Lambo's own cylinder heads, exhaust and intake manifolds, and a sharper engine mapping which accounts for the LP560-4's extra power output and higher price tag.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - as I said - I'm done here. Yes - exactly the interior pieces can be found in "cheap" (to you) - like an A6. I guess that aluminum body Audi builds for them (and taught them) was cheap to. You think cylinder heads and engine mapping are worth an extra 100K (at least you admit Audi designed the structure of the engine). Again the old saying of "a fool and his money". Just say "I'd rather be seen in a Lambo" and I would respect you. All the other stuff is pure non-sense.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat 1- I don't rathe be seen in a Lambo, I just rather have my car be fast and not an intentionally slow overpriced Audi. 11.2 seconds to the quarter mile will always be worth the extra $100K. P.S. PORSCHE HOLDINGS OWNS VW. I have provided you with official reputable sources, you have done nothing but provide me with bullshit.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@ Amidat, Now since 2009, Porsche which now owns VolksWagen AG the parent company of the Volkswagen Group plans to merge both subsidiaries, Volkswagen AG and Porsche AG by 2011 which will mean that there will no longer be a VolksWagen AG or a VW Group, it will be renamed Porshce Group and VW, Audi, Lamborghini, and Bentley will thus be direct subsidiaries to Porsche AG. There you go dumbass! P.S. 4 valves per cylinder had never been used by Audi prior to Lambo, they used 5 idiot.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - The deal is no merger clown. Porsche almost went bankrupt trying to buy them. No more than the so-called merger between Daimler and Chrysler. If you don't know how Peich pulls the strings you don't know about VW/Porsche. Audi only used 5 valves per cylinder through ONE engine cycle. At that time it was only they and Ferrari attempting to do it. They went BACK to 4 valves because 5 wouldn't fit in the new engine designs. Oh well - look who I'm arguing with.
Amidat 1 year ago
@ Amidat Oh, by the way, you are TERRIBLY WRONG when you said that Porsche is under the Volkswagen umbrella. Porsche AG is owned by Porsche Automobil Holding SE. The Volkswagen group is also a subsidiary owned by Porsche Automobil Holding SE. It is Volkswagen which is under the Porsche Umbrella.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - if you don't understand that Porsche is coming under VW's wing then you don't read any business publications. Porsche tried to take over the group but failed!!! Ferry Porsche's grandson Ferdinand Peich is on the VW supervisory board and he wanted "his family business" back under control. He pulled all the strings. You probably don't even know that Porsche designed the Beetle.
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat Hahahaha, your arrogance is incredible. It's even sad. I bet you're one of those no-car-having, magazine reading, youtube "car critics" who think they know it all. Here is a little history lesson for you dear boy. In 2009 Porsche Automobil Holdings SE acquired a majority stock (increased to 51% from their prior 31% ownership) of Volkswagen AG. Volkswagen AG is now a REGISTERED SUBSIDIARY of Porsche Autmobil Holding SE. Giving Porsche control over the VW Group.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
You are aware that by acquiring Lambo, Audi inherited many of their technologies which they now implement in their vehicles. Both firms now use technologies from each other, for example Audi adopted Lamborghini's 4 valve per cylinder set up for the 5.2L V10 whereas Lambo adopted Audi's FSI technology. P.S. Quit talking about racing programs, it was Ferrucio's intention to keep Lamborghini out of racing, and stop acting like Audi saved Lambo, Audi is a as much a salvaged company as Lambo is.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - hahaha - "4 valve per cylinder". Everybody had that setup. Name one tech that Audi got from Lambo. E-Gear and THAT'S IT!!! Audi was damaged because of WWII - not because of poor management like Lambo. Again - you are just upset because you paid 100k more for the same car. You are a joker - I won't even argue with you. If you don't know Lambo was saved by Audi it's a waste to debate anything with you.
Amidat 1 year ago
some of these arguments are comical. Lambo fans should be glad that Audi saved Lambo from extinction....instead they sound resentful. Let's see....who's racing programs are more successful??
Amidat 1 year ago
@JonnyFaroughi Oh, by the way, if you're going to be a bold and daring little boy and say that what I'm talking about is nonsense then why don't you check out my latest video review of both my M6 and LP560-4 where I include the results for actual TELEMETRY tests performed on the LP560-4 by Road & Track giving a detailed overview of the cars performance from every interval between 0 and 120 MPH. It's right at the end of my video. Maybe it will help you not make a fool out of yourself next time.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre well then, I'll take this opportunity to apologize and also to give you kudos for decent reviews. I still like the Audi more than the Lambo, but that's probably just because I've always thought Lamborghini is just a tad superfluous with their external designs.
JonnyFaroughi 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre and just so you don't draw any conclusions, I'm not some top gear fanboy, frankly I only watch top gear irregularly, and have only done so for a year or so. For such a car enthusiast though, it does raid a question. Why does a car enthusiast such as yourself spend so much time shooting down ignorant fanboys over the internet?
JonnyFaroughi 1 year ago
@JonnyFaroughi I'm not trying to shoot anyone down, I'm just sharing what I know. It's just very irritating when people reply with the usual "you're an idiot, you have no idea, do research BS" in the end I'm not trying to sway your opinion, just giving you my two cents worth.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
The R8 V10 is much better than the Lambo in my opinion, sure, the Lambo has a slightly lighter curb weight and a bit more torque and horsepower, but the Audi makes that up with its faster acceleration, its cheaper cost and its unbelievable handling. Plus, if you go everywhere in an Audi, people actually respect you. Whereas if you go everywhere in a Lambo, you look like a complete tool and people get bored of it. The Audi has more charm than any other supercar. "A real driver's car" - Top Gear
JonnyFaroughi 1 year ago 6
@JonnyFaroughi Faster acceleration? The R8 is so damn slow off the line compared to the LP560-4. Goes to show, those Top Gear queers really are just a bunch of clowns.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre go do some research and read some RECORDED statistics mate. It's not exactly multiple seconds faster but it will get to 0-100km/h faster than the lambo. Oh, and did I mention the sound? The roar out of an Audi r8 v10 is biblical. And don't go calling the people out of Top Gear a bunch of clowns. They know their cars, and they know them well, much better than I would assume you do, seeing that you're spitting out this nonsense.
JonnyFaroughi 1 year ago
@JonnyFaroughi You are an idiot. I own an LP560-4, I know from first-hand EXPERIENCE it is faster than the R8 V10. The Spyder is obviously slower from 0-100km/h but the coupe will hit 0-100 in 3.2 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 11.2, thats 4 tenths of a second faster than the tested times for the R8 V10. "Biblical" I can see you are just a Top Gear fanboy who has never been in one of these cars himself, thinks Jeremy Clarkson is god, and believes that Top Gear serves a purpose beyond entertainment.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@twitchmassacre - every magazine that I've read also said that the Audi handles better than the Gallardo (maybe not as sharply but more capably). Are you upset that you paid that much for a Lambo (which itself uses a lot of engineering) and it's German parents released a car that performs almost the same...??? You can be mad at Audi - but when you buy a Lambo you still put money in Audi's pocket...
Amidat 1 year ago
@Amidat What are you talking about being mad? I owned the R8 5.2 FSI before the LP560-4 it is nothing more than a cheaper, detuned, slower LP560-4, and it's noticeable. The Audi doesn't handle better it is simply more comfortable, which is a silly advantage for a car that isn't meant to be driven everyday. Look at the track results, the Lambo is much more capable around the track than the R8, and that is all I care about.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago
@JonnyFaroughi Too bad the R8 is doomed to be seen as a tools car seeing as how no matter where you look it's right there in your face. Movies, billboard, commercials..I love the r8, it's my dream car but even I'm getting sick of seeing it
tsukoyomi2021 1 year ago
@tsukoyomi2021 that's true, even i'm starting to feel that audi is starting to overadvertise and overcompensate with the r8. you're right, it's my dream car too, but it's kind of destined to become a douchebag rich-kids car, unless audi get the message about the car out, then stop, and leave the consumer market to love it, rather than shoving it down their throats and putting it in second-rate, over budgeted hollywood movies, like they've done with the veyron.
JonnyFaroughi 1 year ago
@JonnyFaroughi *like bugatti have done with the veyron
JonnyFaroughi 1 year ago
DiabloVT60 1 year ago
@DiabloVT60 Those aren't "official numbers" those are "Manufacturer's Claimed" numbers which are usually conservative. The LP560-4 Coupe will do 0-60 in 3.2, 0-120 in 9.7 and the 1/4 mile in 11.2, which is even faster than the LP640. I uploaded a video of my LP560-4 with a data panel at the end of the video showing the vehicles telemetry results from every interval starting at 0 and ending at the 1/4 mile.
twitchmassacre 1 year ago