Parental advice for ex-Christians - The Atheist Experience #631

[wearethemusicyoumake]

woah im in cartersville ga that fucked my head

[2naruto1]

it made it on youtube

[NBM397]

I hope she's still doing great :)



[AhiruXFakir]

Ha, Jeff.

Matt: We don't have kids.

Jeff: That we know of.

[shabido1]

@AhiruXFakir What video did you watch?!

Jeff said "Neither of us have kids. That we know of."

[Callirgos1]

Philosophically her kid is right. "God is in my heart"

YES! God is in your heart.

And of those 2 things, which one is demonstrably real?

[seeqer66]

Evangelism is the bane of Christianity. I don't think any movement has done more harm to the religion. Exposure to Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christianity, drives more people away from the church than ANY outside influence.

[JOHNINCOLUMBUS]

I'm glad Robin woke up, now she needs to tell her younger children the truth about the invisible man in the sky.

[NormanAngle]

No Father Christmas but Yes to God? :|

[PixelSlayer247]

Why not in the case of the caller with the kids, just not enforce the belief? As in, just stop going to church, or go if they want to, but don't actively encourage it except as a kind of good parenting thing - either they just want to be religious, which should be cool for an Atheist parent who really isn't trying to raise them to be strictly nonreligious...and I imagine eventually they would think themselves out of it and the parents can just encourage them.

[tikifreakazoid]

Gee, the oldest, most mature kid is inclined to atheism and the very young ones still cling to God.

There's a meaning in this and it's painfully obvious.

[prime440]

@tikifreakazoid thats because the young ones accept compassion where the older one becomes defiant and self motivated to adhear to thier own needs disregarding any sense of morality and accountability eg. teenagers

[tikifreakazoid]

@prime440 Bullshit. The teenager is more able to understand the world around him and therefore finds it easier to reject God since God is illogical. To say that teenagers inherently become rebellious and that all children are compassionate is stupid. Being an atheist requires MORE accountability because you know that the only person who can forgive you is the person you did it to. A mindset that a God can forgive you keeps you from showing real regret towards the receiver of whatever you did.

[prime440]

@tikifreakazoid on the contrary athiests require no accountability what so ever because they dont have any moral guide that is spiritually driven. god lays the foundation of what we can do to follow a moral code of conduct . having said that athiests reject any kind of supreme authority. therefore they dont fall under any kind of authority so they think.the only outcome in life for athiest is no hope . only to become nothing more than maggot food. what a sad ending

[tikifreakazoid]

@prime440 I do not reject a supreme authority. Society is the supreme authority. Society, not god, decides what is right and wrong. Your god thinks taking a shit is morally wrong and requires atonement offerings; It's in Leviticus.

Society is what determines justice. Not a god. I can't go kill someone and expect to get away with it just because I'm an atheist. When was the last time God gave testimony in open court? As an all knowing being, I'd say he's IMmoral not to.

[avalsonline2]

@prime440 yes, atheists have no moral guide. that is why you ALWAYS hear about atheists killing people indiscriminately. what a load of bullshit. i have my moral guide. it is called society, personal experience, history.

yes, ending up as maggot food is a sad ending. but as far as evidence is concerned, it is all we have. making up stories of heaven and paradice does not make it otherwise

[tikifreakazoid]

@avalsonline2 I disagree. The best sort of death is one where you just have an endless, dreamless sleep. I'd trade that for a little cloud where you have to be a puritan forever / a burning place full of torture and death / having to go through life AGAIN AND AGAIN / having 72 virgins that run out pretty quickly / being taken away by the Alien Lord Xenu / waiting on a messiah in hell FOREVER / becoming "one with nature" any day.

[avalsonline2]

@tikifreakazoid yeah, i'd like an afterlife with salma hayek and keri russel tending to my every need for eternity. does not mean its gona happen

[prime440]

@tikifreakazoid all oppinions

[tikifreakazoid]

@prime440 Not at all. It's not an opinion that I've never killed anyone and it's not an opinion that I see society as the supreme authority; I have never killed anyone, and I view society as a supreme authority. Those are facts. The fact that Yahweh thinks taking a shit is wrong is also a fact; he must have forgotten that he made it A DIRECT RESULT OF EATING *Massive Sarcasm*. It's also a fact that he's never testified in open court against murderers who would otherwise end up scot-free.

[prime440]

having a faith in a god isnt a trap its a choice, no one is bound in chains and required to believe in christ. no one here ever talks about the good things that come from religion thats why athiests are biased in thier way of thinking.

[joshmonster94]

@prime440

the problem is that, even if it makes you feel better or does good, if it is based on lies, it's bad. if a man cheated on his wife would you tell her and break her heart, or lie and let it keep going?

[mysterymediacorp]

@prime440 it doesn't matter if religion does something good or not, god still doesn't exist either way.

[prime440]

@mysterymediacorp one must ask where did we come from and was there a begining? i chose to believe in intelligent design vs macro evolution .

[mysterymediacorp]

@prime440 you were groomed to believe in intelligent design,it wasn't your choice...but you do have the choice to fall for it or not

[prime440]

@mysterymediacorp lol fall for it ?and what you believe is fact ?

[prime440]

@mysterymediacorp so your willing to believe some scientist who claims things he cant prove.sounds like this so called scientist has theories wich arnt facts rather opinions. but if you chose to believe this individual well thats your choice

[mysterymediacorp]

@prime440 you're right, when it comes to the universe I should take a preacher's word over a trained scientist..lol !

[prime440]

@mysterymediacorp who said anything about a preacher? study gods word on your own and decide for yourself,if you can have confidence in some scientist rather than yourself then youve sold yourself out .

[mysterymediacorp]

@prime440 well, I own 3 different bibles so who ever told you that I haven't studied religion lied to you...and exactly which language was the ' word of god ' written in -English, Arabic or ???

[prime440]

@mysterymediacorp originally the old testament was written in hebrew and the new testament was written in aramaic and greek. the problem with scripture sometimes is that it may be misinterpreted . if u can read josh mcdoowell "the new evidence that demands a verdict"

[tikifreakazoid]

@prime440 (I made another response to your little 'Oppinions' comment, this is on the Misinterpretation one)

The problem is that there are still people who speak and read Hebrew and there are still people who speak and read Greek. Your "IT'S MISINTERPRETED" whine bores me to death because we HAVE DIRECT TRANSLATIONS!

[prime440]

even the two younger kids are smarter than thier parents

[GuacamoleKun]

I think 5 and 6.. you can just tell them "God is make-believe like Santa" and have a conversation about which things are make-believe and which are not, (just so this revelation doesn't leave them wondering what else you've just been "making up"..) and they'll probably get over it pretty quick.

[richwfd2002]

Maybe they could've just stopped going for awhile and made some excuse to the younger kids like, "We're going to be missing church for awhile because of other obligations and if you want to go back before your dad and I are able to, let us know and we can make other arrangements." I'll bet, after a couple of weeks, the kids will have forgotten about it..........

[SaintEianS]

@TheAtheistExperience I have a question. I am a 15 year old atheist, and I was wondering... is it irrational for me to think that there can be some form of afterlife that could in a way, get rid of your councousness to prep for like a next form of being in another dimension or something (Maybe). The other atheists kept saying I was talking about reincarnation, which am not. They'd cal me retarded and al kinds of stuff. Is it strange to beleive that it COULD be possible? You guys rock. ~ Eian.

[jaygee514]

@SaintEianS Your scenario (along with a million others) COULD be possible, but the possibility of something happening is not very useful to us. What is useful is what is PROBABLE. If you investigate a murder, you could pose all kinds of explanations. It's possible the person could have been stabbed by a unicorn in the Matrix and then whisked back by a fairy, but that's not very probable. I'm not the most articulate, but I like the explanation in /watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

[SaintEianS]

@jaygee514 Lol. Ok, so that made me laugh... but that isn't exactly what I meant. What I meant exactly was that we shouldn't assume what happens. In a wayof trying to put t... I guess...

[jaygee514]

@SaintEianS I also like /watch?v=5wV_REEdvxo

[DeathKnight725]

@SaintEianS Like jaygee said it doesn't make you irrational to think that it's possible, because it absolutely is possible. However, if you don't have any good reason to explain why it is probable and yet still believe it, then that's faith. Your scenario is entirely possible and there's no way of knowing, but it's no more probable than you're simply living this life to get rid of your consciousness to prep for being made into a giant muffin that lives outside of time and space.

[voodoocigam]

@SaintEianS Why do you think that? It is fun to come up with crazy hypothesis such as that and I know that at your age it is definitely good to explore different ideas like that. As for rational.. I don't really see how its rational at all to think something like that. Ask yourself "Why do I think this?". What grounds to you have to think such a thing might occur? Just because you think it is cool? Or because you really have experienced some sort of occurrence that makes you think that?

[SaintEianS]

@voodoocigam Call me crazy, but I guess I just have a big imagination. I can't explain it, and I have accepted that i can't. I have accepted that others will not or may not think the same as me, and I don't think higher of myself, or lower of anybody else for it. It's like a thought beyond the known universe. I don't know, I'm just a bit wacky... :P

P.S. can people please stop responding to me now? I'm awaiting some very important messages in my inbox, and I don't want to get my hopes up.

[ArcaneLogic]

Childhood is a time for fantasy, it's healthy. Expose them to all kinds of fantasies - dragons, fairies, Santa, God, Zeus (there's a ton of great Greek myths!), Thor, etc. Present it all and as they grow up they will have a fairly good BS meter. There's a reason religious people get worked up about Harry Potter and stuff - it's cuz they don't want kids to learn the difference between fantasy and reality.

[ctypro96706]

I remember watching Jesus Camp thinking I wonder what the Jesus Camp people's backlash will be because it makes them look so bat-shit crazy. After hearing this woman and Matt talk about how a lot of fundamental Christians would think this kind of camp is okay, I don't know where our humanity is, it's really sad.

[jgordon707]

Man. those Morman Boy scouts are sooo annoying.

[MastermindX]

Come on Jesus Camp is a fun, entertaining movie. Hahaha, remember the part where the fat woman goes all "Harry Potter is the DEVIL!!!!!! GRRRRRR!!!!! HE MUST BE PUT TO DEATH!!!!!"

[FortuneInLies]

Creationist morons >.< some people just don't WANT to learn!

[ellimist6]

i would never tell my kids(if i have some) that nething like santa exist, theres no point in lieing to them. when they r old enough i will teach them about religion and science and all that but i see its stupid to tell ur kids that santa or nething of the sort exist.

[sosbarbie]

man ,i love Matt he is so intelligent

[Redbeardian]

Oh wow ... I had no idea there were people who thought that the 'jesus camp' vids are 'good' and not insane and creepy.... I actually didn't understand while watching it why the people in it allowed themselves to be filmed ... I kind of thought it was a hidden camera. I think I'm slightly more afraid now. Dangit ........

[PageofLegend]

hmm, a five and a six year old, I say just flat out stop mentioning god at all, and they will eventually forget it probably

[Noahboah234]

But its so much more convenient here :(...Anyway, When are you going to meet Richard Dawkins!!!!

[quezcatol]

I'm atheist, never ever talked religion with my parents nor they with me. I was 7 or so when I realised that there probably is no God, since I was taught viking religion in school at that age,while visiting church preaching during some holiday with school. because if there is morer then one religion, not all can be true, and this (christianity) sound just as weird as the viking one.

[TheAtheistExperience]

@bobobobobo73

Stop spouting your creationist nonsense, because capitals and exclamation marks don't make you right. You obviously don't know what you are talking about, so you are only making a fool of yourself here.

Your straw man arguments have already been dubunked so many times that I am not even going to waste my time on that anymore. If you really wanted to know those things, you already could have looked them up yourself.

[bobobobobo73]

@TheAtheistExperience Science has also debuked the chance theory and the evolution theory and the big bang theory! the chance theory is NOT at all possible! and evolution contradicts science! and the big bang theory was an explosion of light, it didnt create all in existance. and watch a vid called (proving the existance of god-indisputable-scientific-lo­gical) watch it! Please! if you dont accept the vid than please dont talk to me again!

[sickofgod69]

@bobobobobo73 lol.. "If you don't accept the vid than please dont talk to me again!" ... What an absurd little monkey you are.

[AtheistEvolution]

@bobobobobo73 Evolution is both fact AND theory, and it is clear that you don't know what "theory" means.

It is the highest form of science and is not "just" anything.

It is a theory just like gravity is a theory, or electricity, or quantum theory.

Come on. Read a book before you make such foolish statements.

[AtheistEvolution]

@bobobobobo73 Says GOD? He talks to you?

You MIGHT need help.  That is called Schizophrenia.

peace

[captwasabi]

@bobobobobo73 Here's another clueless person talking about that which they do not know. You do not realize that in Science a Theory is the accepted, and more often then not, PROVEN, explanation for why something happens. As for god not being wishy washy, do you believe that children who disrespect their parents should be stoned? It's says that in the bible. And where did you get the notion that the earths size is what allowed life? What backwater religious school did you go to?

[HaveFaithInScience]

@bobobobobo73 Evolution is fact. It is also a theory. So is gravity. Your comment shows nothing but ignorance to the concept of both theories, facts, and evolution as a whole. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself before making yourself look stupid in comments like this.

I mean, come on, do you realize how big the universe actually is? And you say the odds of an earth-like life bearing planet is unlikely? Please! It is a guarantee!

[bobobobobo73]

People sound and look dumb when they say they dont think theres a God! It looks like they dont believe it themselves, or that they are thinking...wow, I sound dumb right now!

[darthsasuke554]

and this video went to youtube...matt is a prophet!

[patrickledford420]

2012 rocked but jesus camp will never be surpassed by anything other than another religious movie

[jmdnarri]

In my experience, MOST Christians are moderates who would sooner turn away from one particular church or every church all togther (but not stop believing) than participate in such things as Jesus Camp. And they would say "That is not how God wants us to be"

But I could be wrong....

This is coming from an Atheist living in the Bible Belt

[patrickledford420]

its bad when christians indocrinate so much even they cant stop there own child from beleiving

[TwentyYearDenial]

It's vital to recognize that children are going to have more difficulty with the realization of death, and the means through which we exist. I don't blame parents for having trouble. It's like breaking the news about Santa Claus, but on a much more extreme level.

[Shaunthesushi]

@patrickledford420

why dont we turn the case and see on the christian side, atheist parents are so anti-religion that they would choke their kids to death if they even go to church.

[per50n]

Except for the fact that what you are saying is basically a lie. Most atheist parents are very secular, meaning that they accept any belief.

Atheist parents are often against teaching religion, but, unlike many christians, have the common sense to see that letting children figure things out on their own is the best way to go.

Even Christopher Hitchens once said that he would have no problem with his children being theists.

[Shaunthesushi]

are you going to let your kids belief in god?

[per50n]

Well if/when I have children, it will be their choice. Hopefully they'll be intelligent enough to figure out that religion is a load of crap, that's what happened to me as a kid (no pressure either way).

To quote Hemingway:

'All thinking men are atheists'

Teaching someone to think and learn on their own is much better than force feeding them facts.

[Shaunthesushi]

i will see...your motive is already one sided

[per50n]

No, it really isn't, you are just being dishonest.

I just said I will let them believe it if they want to.

Of course I would prefer them not to be gullible enough to believe something as obviously false as religion.

Properly educated people chose atheism on their own, it is the only conclusion someone unafraid to think critically about all of their own beliefs can reach.

[Shaunthesushi]

@per50n

i am being dishonest?wth?

[per50n]

Yes, you are trying to twist people's words to fit the point you are trying to make, that is dishonest.

[IAMJESUSmovie]

Jeus Christ has returned. I AM.

[soulinite]

How do you know you are just schizophrenic?

[patrickledford420]

@IAMJESUSmovie r u serious

[pakko57]

I Just watched Jesus camp, and it's crazy!!! these people are crazy. I mean, that lady is modeling her teaching on islam fundamentalism, the cause of 9/11. are they serious?

[Cissy20]

@pakko57 Make no mistake - if this was a muslim camp, training their children, christians would be apoplectic. It is no less terrorism training because it is christians. It is no less child abuse because it is christians. It no less reprehensible because it is christians.

[pakko57]

I totally agree with you on that. This staff scares me, specially about the future of this country. I mean, are we gonna turn into freaking terrorist doing the will of christ. i hope not.

[Cissy20]

@pakko57 To my knowledge ALL religions have domination or destruction at their core. "Believe or die" is at the core. Jesus Camp is not unusual, it is a common tactic for fundamentalist Christians. Their goal is to turn the US into a theocracy. Then they will fight amongst their over 38,000 different sects of Christianity as to which is the "true" sect.

This must not be allowed. Everyone must speak up against this. They term this a war - it is, for freedom for all.

[jwlbailey]

@Cissy20 Nicely put Cissy.

[l337pwnage]

Poe's law, rofl.  :)

[friendlydiplomat]

I think the mind that says, "There exists no creator; this amazing universe we live in just made itself into existence," is an irrational and insane mind. It is absolutely beyond me why anyone can claim to be an atheist. Infact, I genuinely believe there are NO honest atheists. They are all living a lie and deep, deep down they definately know it.

[NearVSMello]

Projection is fascinating.

[friendlydiplomat]

I have no idea what this means.

[NearVSMello]

Projection - A type of self-denial where one when takes their own short comings and "projects" them on someone or something else.

[NearVSMello]

In other words it is you who believe the universe came from nothing or to be fair that a magic man poofed it into existence. It is your mind that is irrational and abnormal. And it is you who deep down is in a state of denial about your bullshit.

[friendlydiplomat]

I never said I believe the universe came out of NOTHING and I never said anything about some 'magic man' Again, what are you talking about?

[NearVSMello]

You keep telling yourself that.

[tyrone9009]

@friendlydiplomat well what do you believe then?

[tyrone9009]

@friendlydiplomat

no one says that the universe made itself. We just say we don't know where everything came from. What is so hard to believe about that. We don't know. I know those are hard words for the religious to swallow.

[CHamlin86]

Exactly! "I don't know" is just... completely unacceptable to religious people. Makes no sense.

[Roan7995]

That's so friendly and diplomatic of you. :D

[tyrone9009]

@friendlydiplomat

you are being very biased. The only lie I lived was claiming I knew how everything happened. I opened my mind and admitted I could be wrong. Turns out I most likely was and now there is a whole world of knowledge out there.

[flake452]

Beat god out of them.

[gcrusader92]

Yup. Atheists are full of crap. Literally.

[jpkallas]

If you gave a fundamentalist an enema, you could fill up a swimming pool.

[Khayd4126]

I think the amount is closer to: pi*fundie = Olympic size pool full.

[Ilikejpgs]

This would be the same swimming pool that the planet saturn would be but a beach ball on it.

[johnnythrust55]

I guess you're right. everyone is full of crap literally, until we take a shit. then we just fill up again.

[ChrisfromSMD]

Stop flooding youtube with your stupid atheist shit that doesn't help the world out at all. Start praying to God almighty to help your ungrateful ass get through the tribulation which is VERY soon to come. Without the help of God, no one will be left alive. Need proof God exists? Look up "divine proportion" -Peace

[AtheistEvolution]

No one gets out of this life alive. That is a fact.

I have no need to be "grateful" to any being whose existence is totally unsubstantiated by evidence or reason. THe time of tribulation was supposed to be almost 2000 years ago. That is when he said he would return. Why do you think it is so soon all of a sudden? What do ratios and proportions and how we see beauty in it have to do with god?

We will stop flooding the net with reason when you stop flooding it with religion.

Peace

[bobobobobo73]

@AtheistEvolution actually your wrong! watch (scientifical evidence god exists) it explains why your wrong! watch all 6 parts! everything has a creator! look around in your room or watever room ur in, i bet u cant find 1 thing that wasnt made or created!? ok, so the earth isnt any different! the earth didnt just pop up out of no where! and then people and animals and then plants and so on and so forth!! THINK ABOUT IT...PLEASE

[AtheistEvolution]

@bobobobobo73 Everything in my room was made by man. Not by nature. You can't compare things that WE make with natural things and then assume that its a being who creates everything. Even if we go with your thinking, it begs the question, if everything needs a creator,then who created god?

Scientists HAVE been thinking about it forever, and as far as where all the animals and plants came from. The diversity came from a process. It is called evolution.

DON'T think about it. Learn about it.

[bobobobobo73]

@AtheistEvolution YOU CANT COMPARE THINGS MADE BY MAN AND NATURE TO GOD, A SUPERNATURAL BEING! LOOK AT THE PROOF! TYPE IN (SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE GOD EXISTS! DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT EVERYTHING WAS JUST NOTHINGNESS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN (THERE WAS) ?

[AtheistEvolution]

@bobobobobo73 YOU compared the two, I was only responding. "look around in your room or watever room ur in, i bet u cant find 1 thing that wasnt made or created!? ok, so the earth isnt any different!"

Those are your words.

As for scientific evidence, it isn't evidence to ask a question like you do. Asking did we just pop out of nothing?

No we didn't, no one says that we did. BUT you are asking us to believe that your god did. If everything needs a creator, who created your god?

[AtheistEvolution]

@bobobobobo73 unsupported claim. How do you know he has no beginning and no end?

Second, Things work so well because of the universe that they developed in. If it didn't work, it wouldn't have been successful in developing.

Third, IF there was a god ANYTHING would look like it worked well. He could make it so that the earth rotated 3 feet from the sun and had us breathing acid and it would seem fine tuned. So that is a false argument

Fourth, Having questions doesn't mean "God did it"

[spikeman23]

@bobobobobo73 Double palm to the face.... You do realize that the earth wasn't always as it is now right?

[sickofgod69]

@bobobobobo73 Your analysis is the same crap that Hovind Spouts, BTW, is he still in jail??? You don't seem to know much about science or how the earth progressed to a point where man could evolve and exist. If the things work so perfect as you suggest, then why has over 98% of everything that ever lived on this planet gone flat out extinct??? Your silly baby jesus blood cult religion will become post script within a few hundred years, the truth is out there and it isn't the baby jesus myth.

[Atheist603]

@bobobobobo73 well, where did god come from? he didn't just pop up like that lol did he evolve? was he born, was he created and who created his creator? and if you say god has no beginning or the end, you can say the same thing about the universe it has no beggining or and end. and as far as I can see there is no god in the universe making things work

[Jqui4]

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[SpiritLedOne]

Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked.

Psalm 1

[AtheistEvolution]

I would agree with that, if you changed the last word to the gullible, or the foolish, or those with unsupported beliefs.

Peace

[KillCount666]

"We're online"

"..."

xD

[motile2]

Matt Dillahunty = Legend

[Dwaithy]

Matt has a "sexy head" xDD

[xxxFaustusxxx]

I think Jesus Camp would frighten most "moderate/casual" Christians

[DSAhmed]

"Deliver Us From Evil" is also available at Blockbuster, if you can make it there before they go out of business.

[Katalyzt]

★★★★★

[coladict]

The "sexy head" note is really important :D

[mrselfrog]

YAY! I made it on Youtube!!!!

[SunnyStorm21]

I was just wondering how much money the parents have to fork over to those religious camps.... Does anyone know?

[DeadlyChinchilla]

The answer for the younger kids is to just stop with the religious stuff. They're still young, they'll adapt to it. Yes, be honest, but they're too young to really get the big issue surrounding the parents 'conversion'.

Answer questions simply and honestly, then ask them if they want some ice cream. ^_^

[216trixie]

Jesus Camp was real for me. As a former believer, I was there.

[AndreaZ64]

Robin is very lucky that she and her husband were able to make the transition to freedom of superstition together. Many marriages get wrecked because the partner is still trapped in faith based superstition.

[DeadlyChinchilla]

Very true, when one partner leaves a faith and the other doesn't.

But for others... like mine... leaving our faith made us stronger together. My significant other was never *that* into it, but we grew into atheism together. Kind of a nice way to do it, we had that bit of support. Especially important on my side, since my family is still *very* Christian, almost fundamentalist.

[Sconz32]

Has Matt lost weight? He's looking good, no homo.

[zoxovox]

To the caller if your interested in rational discussions about science and debunking quackery but specifically a few shows discuss parenting and atheism visit --- theskepticsguide to the universe. I listened to the first year a couple of years ago and remember some discussions on parenting, etc. Just google the name to find their homepage. Utube doesn't allow links...

[TheAndyLoraProgram]

I haven't seen Jesus Camp. I too heard it was creepy. By the way, 2012 was one of the worse movies ever. I think it was definitely religious inspired, but it was just so unrealistic and corny.

[jazzx251]

Watch Jesus Camp - and be amazed.

The horror of mass brainwashing of kids is laid bare for all to see.

No voiceovers pouring scorn on it, just the footage itself will turn any sane stomach.

You want to see corny? How's about some of the crap these flocks of kids are forced to lap up?

[TheAndyLoraProgram]

Yeah, I saw Jesus Camp like 2 days about (finally). I'm surprised I got through it. It was definitely horrifying.

I think the scariest part about it is that this shit is actually real. I think it should be illegal for kids to be forced into Religion at such a young age.

[jazzx251]

Pleased you saw it.

That particularly movie has a happy ending.

That Jesus Camp was shut down after the film aired. But there must be many more out there.

Disturbingly, most Jesus Camps exist in the home 24/7.

For me Becky Fisher is right up there with Fred Phelps, Michael Myers, Jason and Freddie.

[TheAndyLoraProgram]

Wow! Thank goodness they shut that brainwashing camp down!

Thanks for the info! I would of never known :)

[Ilikejpgs]

I saw that video on you tube. It was horrible. Child abuse is what I would call it.

[MagnusIan]

Atheists in Cartersville, GA? That's gotta be rare.

*cue banjo music* jk

[NeverEnoughBall]

that was honestly the scariest movie i have ever seen... and it was a documentary. like wtf... terrifying.

[jpc08109]

I know my parents are pissed that they spent thousands of dollars on a catholic school education for me only to find out that I'd become an atheist, they are on their knees praying the rosary for god to convert me back, I guess gods not listening to them

[sgthunter09]

lol that is awesome...

[gorilla199uncensored]

Was their much time wasted on relgiion their? here religion is an optional extra if the religious schoools even teach it

[Lpoolboy]

I went to a Roman Catholic primary school and high school here in England, and most of the kids were probably atheist. I considered myself Roman Catholic whilst there but have since become an ardent atheist.

These schools can only do so much. If a person exposes themselves to good information, it'll win out in the end. This is why I'm so glad I found all the resources on youtube, like this show and Thunderf00t and the like.

[yashatono]

well, he supposedly answers with "yes" "no" or "later."

i think believers leave out his most frequent answer "aww, for fuck sake!"

[1029blue]

@jpc08109

Yeah, my parents still don't get that I'm an atheist despite all their efforts to make me a strong believer. They sort of succeeded, since I actually was a radical Christian until I reached my teens. My Mom always keeps telling me how she promised to God that she was going to raise me a Christian when I was baptized. Well, that was exactly what she did. She just didn't succeed. In a way, I feel sorry for her feeling obliged to be obedient to an imaginary being...

[DeadlyChinchilla]

While I get the complexities between you and your parents, be thankful for the Catholic school education. Those are actually some of the best/most efficient schools in the US right now, because Catholics for the most part don't fight against science and such.

But yeah, for strict Catholic parents, that could be quite a blow.

[mambuduomally]

i've actually been impressed with the way the vatican has embraced science in recent years, so much so they now want to be the 1st to discover things, probably to try relate it to god, but they don't stifle knowledge anymore

[Alisterwolf66]

I think that may be overly optimistic to say - remember, they still stand behind not using contraceptives! Some of their recent actions are a bit reminiscent of what YECs do - define science as it applies to their book, not what it really is.

Perhaps I'm wrong, though. I certainly hope I am.

[DeadlyChinchilla]

I realize there is still a ways to go in some regards, but overall is more what I meant.  I think people believe I meant they "like" all science now, but no, I meant they "teach" science accurately, for the most part, now. Jpc mentioned they don't approve of stem cell research, they still say "no" to contraceptives... but they do teach kids about these things in Catholic schools.

My significant other grew up in a Catholic school, so thats where I get my info.

[DeadlyChinchilla]

No more days of giving great scientific minds house arrest for the rest of their lives. Too many Galileo's in their closet, I'd wager. No church can survive for too long if they deny real world studies, nowadays. Thats part of the reason Christian evangelism is throwing fits lately, because of the backlash against it for trying to pervert US science (ID in schools, for example).

[jpc08109]

they don't fight against science and such? are kidding me, do you think they are for stem cell research? and actually I have nightmares about my catholic education experience, Nuns slamming books over my head for nodding off in class, being slapped across my face for doing nothing by a nun and then going home with tears in my eyes and my parents were totally cool with it, that was back in the 70's so maybe it might be different now, but back then I hated going to school

[DeadlyChinchilla]

I didn't say "Catholic schools are the best! Every kid needs beaten by a nun!" Of course not. I said they had some of the "most efficient schools in the US." Which is to say, the kids coming out of Catholic schools are better educated. I said nothing about nuns slamming books. And yes, it is a little different now from the 70's, though talk of ruler whippings still abound.

I also didn't say "they support all science." The issue is that they still teach kids what stem cell research is.

[hellomoto170]

haha i sort of feel bad laughing, but then i dont...

[Pazako]

Ditto at 7:25

Found Jesus Camp listed as a horror movie, kinda true for atheists, its sad and sickening.

[jazzx251]

haha - it IS a horror movie.

Bizarrely, the way it's shot, "Alien" could be a documentary!

[slipram1]

at least if hell exists it will be filled with smart people. like richard dawkins and myself. and of coarse these guys. so... see you in hell! i mean that in a good way.

[PlainsofWar]

Atheism FTW!

[JakeBartlam]

@PlainsofWar YESS!!!!!!