I am vegan and proud of it! Healthier than ever! I hope the Cargills and MacMillans who started the whole slaughter house horror industry rots in hell. That is JUSTICE FOR ALL!
this really, really is horrible.. why post this? ;L yes, i do eat meat. it's good, but i can't help it. i don't eat much meat, but yes i eat meat. it still makes me want to cry. poor animals. they trap them up, and what person would WANT to work at a slaughter house? i wouldn't work at one if i was a hobo and i was poor. I WOULD NOT. sick people. why don't every one just start eating soy meat instead? it's the same. we have soy burgers at school.
I don't understand the ethical complaints about eating meat, there is nothing wrong with it if you buy Free Range & Organic the problems are more economical and ecological.
first off 0:08-10 we dont eat polar bears they are indangered and illegal to eat
at 0:30 they do not sell horse meat anywear but that dosent mean they dont taste bad
at 0:36 shure theyres a dog but its giving birth and he was just holding it and that is in china theyre streets arent the cleanest plus any blood probably was from the birth also not all asians eat dog at 0:46 the seal may look cute but they are problems they are over populated we need to keep the bcalance lastly just eat a burger
reminds me of the Holocaust in a weird way. Nature created us humans and made us omnivores, so that we are to eat both vegetables and meat as well. I feel bad for animals for being abused. But we must also contribute to the balance of our ecosystem. people would be able to enjoy their hot wings if there were anti animal cruelty laws so that the animals can at least die peacefully in some way. If you want to be vegan, I respect that. just dont tell others that they are bad for eatin meat dey rnt
I tell you people have eaten meat for thousands of years and back in the 1800s no one was a vegetarian by choice in fact people looked forward to meat they would only cook it on special occasions! And what about animals that eat other animals? there's no difference! try to get a lion to eat tofu! If you choose to not eat meat go for it but DO NOT Try to guilt everyone else into doing the same thing!
There is nothing to indicate that farm animals are capable of self-awareness and nothing to convince me humans can remain healthy without the nutrients in meat
You are one of the most ignorant people, that I have EVER come across. ALL beings love life. GOD created us all, humans & animals alike. I have been a vegetarian for 30 years. And YES Mr. Ass......I have excellent check ups. Why don't you go eat your dog.
hahahahahahaha you fukin hypocrite, calling him ignorant then relating this to "god". you do realize all stories from books arent real right? how many times have you encountered this god? what does he look like? hes not real you faggot
(i'd post fewer comments, but, only allowed 500 characters)
- methane is 15 times worse than CO2 for greenhouse effect!!!
-the brain is made out of protien. . . .also, malnutrition can make one dellusional, such as beleiving eating meat is murder, and evil, so, do urself a favour, eat some delicous nutritous meat, with some vegetables to side, then, do some reserach, and then come back to the world, with some common sense
-if we don't eat them, and come veggies, then, we'll have to use grazing pasture, to grow crops, which means there'll be no food for us, or the cows/other animals. . .so, we'll all be terribly screwed. . .difference is, theres 6 billion of us. . .with guns, vs. not as many of them. . .we'd get the food, what little there'd be, and they would slowly starve. . . .while producing methane!!!
alright. . . .well, way to take the extreme abuse cases, put them in a movie, put on some music, and say its the fault of the ppl who eat meat
-meat, as most ppl with a high school education know, is the MOST efficient source of protein. . .which is also how our brain determines hunger (more amino acids in blood= less hungry)
-most slaughterhouses, are regulated by governments to NOT abuse animals
-if we don't eat them, they'll produce methane. . .and kill the world XD
And have you ever been electrocuted? It FUCKING hurts. You feel that pain constantly and if the voltage is high enough to kill something than it probably would hurt even worse for those few seconds than if yuo were to kill a chicken in shock
I am against animal cruelty but I still hunt not for sport but for food. It is more natural and more in tune with our ancestors. Nothing beats a nice steak on the bbq.
because 'being natural and more in tune with our ancestors' is more important than personal ethics. For that matter, make your own house out of natural materials, worship trees, don't use plumbing, etc. Killing = cruelty, regardless of who does it.
Killing all predators would be ridiculous. Killing to stay alive is one thing, killing when it's not necessary is wrong. In tightly woven 'circles of life' as you say, it is necessary for animals to prey on others. For humans, who have long since been removed from any sort of natural food chain, do not need to kill in order to survive.
It is necessary for me to consume bacteria in order to live.
Yes, it is absolutely necessary to eat. There are very few things a person must do to live, and eating is one of them. 100% of scientists agree. Even breatharians, who claim not to eat, either make excuses to eat or die.
Secondly, how is something food if it isn't eaten? That is ridiculous logic. Prey is, by definition, food. This doesn't mean that animals are prey. They're only prey if you decide to hunt them.
And if we dumped a cow into the wild, it probably would be eaten...by a wolf, a tiger, or some other predator that NEEDS to eat meat to live. Not to mention the fact that some of the animals you eat may have been able to survive had they not been selectively bred and drugged and trained to act as sitting ducks. Wild hogs can survive on their own, but pigs won't because we've stopped them from breeding to survive, and made them breed to be eaten.
You're funny for making fun of people with stronger personal ethics than you, good job. It is necessary for everyone to eat, you have yet to give any redeeming argument to that.
And if we don't farm, we will eat much less meat because it's inconvenient and expensive, so the animal won't die if it has to be farmed. It also will have a chance for survival.
Death by bullet is much, much less painful than what actually happens to livestock.
"Does it matter what animal eats it as long as it gets eaten to that Animal? Does it make any difference to it?"
Either way, a predator will kill. That's one dead animal. If you kill one to eat, that's two dead animals. If you chose not to kill one, then that's only 1 dead animal. The predator won't kill what you don't eat.
you'd have more predators, true, but the additional predators wouldn't outnumber the additional prey. Either way, you don't hunt for all your beef, you pay people to breed them, inject them with steroids and hormones until they grow with tumors and injuries, cram them into tiny cages, unhumanely kill and skin them, etc.
It would be enough predators to keep the balance between predator and prey, much like consumers and livestock.
Thus, Similar Deaths.
Farmers dont use Steroids to grow livestock!
as for Injuries, that happens in the wild MUCH more often.
You kill them 1st with Electricution, which happens in roughly a few seconds at most. When they are dead, they wouldn't give a damn what u do with their corpse.
Unlike predators, who eat the prey while they are alive.
Unless you specifically buy grain-fed or organic beef, your meat has chemicals and steroids. Because of these, theirmeat grows faster than their bodies can support. Chickens, for example, usually have broken legs. There are people whose sole job it is to walk around and cut tumors off of chickens. I've been there and seen it. The hormones ingested by people through meat is also the reason why teens are experiencing puberty at an earlier age than ever before.
And the animals that the predators kill still contribute to the 'circle of life' you mention. There is no reciprocity when humans eat animals. No animals kill and eat you. You die, get your body stored permanently is a casket. The predators at least give back to that cycle. When you raise animals to eat, the cycle stops with you.
Steroids are not banned in most countries are. Most types, maybe, but not all. I promise you, I've talked to farmers personally about that very topic.
"Yeah, in the wild, when they get broken legs..."
That is bullshit logic, and you know it. Not every wild bird has broken legs, and the possibility of that happening still gives you absolutely no right to do it yourself.
The chemicals given to animals cause tumors. That is fact.
Because they are dead. Why do you think that the majority of wild animals have a Very high mortality rate? Most of them are killed by the environments themselves. Those that are lucky get to be eaten by predators.
Also, this is one tiny point of the argument that you are dealing with. In the entirity of our conversation, I have yet to hear one compelling argument as to why it is okay to kill when it's not necessary. As far as your 'it will happen anyway' argument, we both know you're wrong. The animals will at least have a chance to live, life shouldn't be considered property anyway, You'll die eventually. I can kill you?
in state of shock... when they are being clawed up and down, bitten everywhere, then having their skin being ripped apart, only to have sharp long teeth digging into its flesh until 10 minutes later, when the blood loss finally gets the best of it.
RIGHT....
" It FUCKING hurts"
Because its High Voltage, Low Amperage.
If you've ever been electricuted by a high amperage but low voltage, you'd feel nothing more than an involuntary reaction and some ticklish sensation.
Also, this is one tiny point of the argument that you are dealing with. In the entirity of our conversation, I have yet to hear one compelling argument as to why it is okay to kill when it's not necessary. As far as your 'it will happen anyway' argument, we both know you're wrong. The animals will at least have a chance to live, life shouldn't be considered property anyway, You'll die eventually. I can kill you?
If you are threatened by the spider or the wasp, then it's okay to defend yourself. I have no clue how you came to the conclusion that I think that. Plant's aren't sentient beings. They do not feel, they do not think, etc. Also, it's necessary to eat plants to live.
Not all wild animals die. If they do die, it's because a predator needs the food. Humans do not need to eat animals, we can live 100% free of eating meat. Even if they die quickly, they're still dying, & after a rough life.
Spider, Wasps don't pose a threat to you until they are threatened.
What if I feel threatened of the cow? can I kill it?
You think Cows are sentient beings? Put a Mirror infront of a cow, and it'd try to interact with whats in that mirror. This shows lack of self-awareness.
Feelings don't determine Sentient.
And some plants do feel, and can move.
And as far as we can see, Cows, Goats, Pigs, and Chickens have NOT demonstrated any capability to think beyond their natural instincts.
If a family of spiders is on your computer desk, they're probably a threat to you. Same with wasps in your house. If a cow charges at you, feel free to put a bullet in its head. That's common sense.
Grab a dictionary, look up sentient. It means:
'having the power of perception by the senses'
Cows are sentient in that they have senses and can feel. If you stab a cow, the cow feels pain.
I'm familiar with tropism, but all of those reatcions are purely biological. Plants do not have any sort of brains. They do not feel pain. They do not think any more than a virus or bacterium thinks.
"Even if they die quickly, they're still dying, & after a rough life."
first of all, they both live rough lives, in both nature, and in the farm. Except for 1 thing, the Farm allows them to live without fear of predators. Its just that they tend to have a slightly shorter life span.
"it's because a predator needs the food. Humans do not need to eat animals"
You can survive on pure IV drips, without hurting any plants or animals. Why don't you?
You are entirely missing the point. Yea, it's a harsh life in the wild. But it's rough because there are predators that need to eat them. That's natural.
For absolutely no reason, you are dragging an animal through a life of unbalanced and chemically modified meals, cramped space, inhibited moviement, etc. It's not necessary at all. That's a fact.
IV drips contain minerals and proteins from plants.
" Plant's aren't sentient beings. They do not feel, they do not think, "
thats the most arrrogant thing i've ever heard from someone who thinks that an animal that gets to be born, fed, while being protected from predators, then quickly killed, lives a harsh life
obviously, i'm to arrogant to see how thats a hard life, but, how can you, in ur wisdom believe that planets don't feel and think?
if you say science, then u sud know that, we dont NEED to eat meat, but it sure is useful
All sensory and mental perception occurs within the brain, which plants don't have. They literally do not have the parts necessary for feeling or thought of any sort. THAT'S FACT!
Yea, meat is convenient and gets us food. It's also useful to me if I kill you and steal everything you own. Convenient and gets me money. Virtually no difference, except for no one will speak up for the former victim.
I didn't say we don't need to eat. That's obvious. We don't, however, need to kill to eat. It's not necessary to eat meat to live. That's a fact. Ask one of millions of people who don't do it. I'm not an omnivore, I only eat plants. It's a choice, and most people (such as yourself) don't care about their crimes enough to overcome laziness and convenience.
We don't need meat. You only say you do because it's an easy way to justify your obscene habits.
"I'm not an omnivore, I only eat plants. It's a choice"
It is NOT a choice, your body is built to be an Omnivore, with tendancy leaning towards Meats. We can digest meats much easier than we do vegetables.
Just because a chicken decides to eat bugs doesn't make it a Carnivore.
We don't NEED meat, but our body craves for them. As far as we know, Livestock don't have clans, countries, or rational thought. They live to breed, then die. We let them do that, but also eat them.
The only reason there is a tendancy to eat meat is because you've eaten meat your entire life. There are people who've never had a single bite of meat, and they're 110% as healthy as you. They vomit if they eat meat. Rational thought, citizenship, etc. are not what it means to be alive. You are no more alive than they are. You live, breed and die.
Listen, your whole 'animals will get eaten anyway' argument is absolutely ridiculous. You continue to say that, though I've defeated your argument several times. Please, come up with something that's valid, or stop commenting.
ask any biologist what'd happen if over 6 billion ppl suddendly stop eating animals, and turn to plants. . . . .good luck justifying all the herbivoures that'll die cuz we used all the grazing land to grow tomoatoes :s
80% of the corn we grow is used for feeding livestock. Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 40,000.
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 250.
Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56.
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16. No way in hell meat is less space-consuming than crops. Sorry, you're just flat-out wrong.
"Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16"
so, a cow, that is a herbivore, and evolved to eat vegetation, uses 4 stomachs, and rechews the food many times to get that result
how efficient will it be for a human to consume only vegetation? considering, as you mentioned, we've been eating mostly meat, especially before we mastered agriculture, and we were nomadic
It actually does make a difference. we need to eat ot sustain our bodies, by gaining nutrients and proteins. If we can get these from other sources such as: SOy, Tofu, beans, various vegetables, vitamins, and otehr dietary supplements, Why would we need to kill some poor helpless animal. Nature has an order and if we don't need meat why eat it?
@MasaneKai Good question, I might also add we don't need extra protein from soy, tofu, beans, and other dietary supplements. We get exactly the right amount from whole fruit & veg and the occasional nuts/seeds. Nature took care of that for us too.
"Those statements are contradictory. It's not natural to mass raise animals and systematically condition them to be mindless, immobile pieces of meat."
It is natural, for we are a creation of nature. Therefore everything we do is natural. It doesn't matter how we call it, Nature is Everything.
A Computer can be programmed to do basic survival tasks, be programmed to breed, be programmed to feel, to move, to make sounds, to communicate. Does that make them Sentient?
"It is natural, for we are a creation of nature. "
I agree with you completely, if u follow the scientific reasoning, we're all part of nature, and us eating animals, is just our place in the food chain
the religous/creationist reasoning would be: God created animals and plants for us to eat, so, . . .lets eat XD
An obese, mentally retarded man can easily get the fittest, most intelligent animal to eat. The way the meat has been so industrialized and institutionalized has completely erased any place we have (or the farm animals have) in any food chain or other natural process/cycle.
you are entirely, entirely not getting what I'm saying. Please, reply to this one statement. Only this.
It is not absolutely necessary to eat meat. It's necessary for ants to eat aphids, necessary for bees to make honey, necessary for some animals to eat meat. It is not, by any stretch of the word, necessary for humans to eat meat. It's just not. Convenient, and that is no just cause. FYI: 90% of plant protein is wasted when you cycle it through livestock.
"FYI: 90% of plant protein is wasted when you cycle it through livestock. "
i'd like to see some sources, mind you, if that is being used to repair damage to cells, and grow. . .its not wasted per se
"It is not absolutely necessary to eat meat"
can't argue with that, but, ur arguing about the morality of humans, another creature on this planet, eating other animals, and, IMO, it is NOT immoral for us to eat something we have evolved to eat
what is this song called
Mspokemonfan2 1 month ago
@Mspokemonfan2 if yo'u eat meat
aciecargill 1 month ago
@aciecargill thx
Mspokemonfan2 4 weeks ago
@NtoHealth without this the world would literally come to a stand still so before you talk think faggot ass liberal
DontFUckWitUSA 1 month ago
im vegetarian, not because i feel sad for the animals. i just don't like meat :D
THUMBS UP BEETCHES
ArsenalCech09 3 months ago
I am vegan and proud of it! Healthier than ever! I hope the Cargills and MacMillans who started the whole slaughter house horror industry rots in hell. That is JUSTICE FOR ALL!
NtoHealth 4 months ago
For ppl who eat meat watch from farm to fridge.
ariyiasan23 4 months ago
Yummy!!
ReedKing1 6 months ago
this really, really is horrible.. why post this? ;L yes, i do eat meat. it's good, but i can't help it. i don't eat much meat, but yes i eat meat. it still makes me want to cry. poor animals. they trap them up, and what person would WANT to work at a slaughter house? i wouldn't work at one if i was a hobo and i was poor. I WOULD NOT. sick people. why don't every one just start eating soy meat instead? it's the same. we have soy burgers at school.
123gobubbles 6 months ago
i. almost. cryed. i love animals. :(
123gobubbles 6 months ago
gayshit
CeLeTiiCa 7 months ago
I don't understand the ethical complaints about eating meat, there is nothing wrong with it if you buy Free Range & Organic the problems are more economical and ecological.
Sebastianin2010 7 months ago
Why did people look this up only to make fun of vegetarians?
Come on.
imjustsubscribing 10 months ago
first off 0:08-10 we dont eat polar bears they are indangered and illegal to eat
at 0:30 they do not sell horse meat anywear but that dosent mean they dont taste bad
at 0:36 shure theyres a dog but its giving birth and he was just holding it and that is in china theyre streets arent the cleanest plus any blood probably was from the birth also not all asians eat dog at 0:46 the seal may look cute but they are problems they are over populated we need to keep the bcalance lastly just eat a burger
JeffHaney1224 11 months ago
this video made me hungry
OMGUKILLKENNY2 1 year ago
i believe meat was put here to eat, but there is a reason i still am a pescitarian
most slaughterhouses today inject hormones into their meat, which can turn us into freaks
BeakyRed 1 year ago
reminds me of the Holocaust in a weird way. Nature created us humans and made us omnivores, so that we are to eat both vegetables and meat as well. I feel bad for animals for being abused. But we must also contribute to the balance of our ecosystem. people would be able to enjoy their hot wings if there were anti animal cruelty laws so that the animals can at least die peacefully in some way. If you want to be vegan, I respect that. just dont tell others that they are bad for eatin meat dey rnt
MleHagiaSophia 1 year ago
people have a really poor understanding of choice...it's the choices you make that decide your final fate.
kathberry8 1 year ago
fukn food chain hello!!!
Dodgeram591 1 year ago
I tell you people have eaten meat for thousands of years and back in the 1800s no one was a vegetarian by choice in fact people looked forward to meat they would only cook it on special occasions! And what about animals that eat other animals? there's no difference! try to get a lion to eat tofu! If you choose to not eat meat go for it but DO NOT Try to guilt everyone else into doing the same thing!
BKIPRODUCTIONS 1 year ago
I Only eat beef, ORGANIC beef and nothing else in the catigorie of meat.
BeautyIsOnlyLove 2 years ago
There is nothing to indicate that farm animals are capable of self-awareness and nothing to convince me humans can remain healthy without the nutrients in meat
VatoEncantado 2 years ago
You are one of the most ignorant people, that I have EVER come across. ALL beings love life. GOD created us all, humans & animals alike. I have been a vegetarian for 30 years. And YES Mr. Ass......I have excellent check ups. Why don't you go eat your dog.
kimmerscooby1 1 year ago
hahahahahahaha you fukin hypocrite, calling him ignorant then relating this to "god". you do realize all stories from books arent real right? how many times have you encountered this god? what does he look like? hes not real you faggot
nateman8 1 year ago
@kimmerscooby1
There would be nothing wrong with me eating my dog. After he dies naturally I may just do that, its a waste of meat otherwise.
And only beings that are conscious of their own existence can love that existence, and cows/goats/chickens, etc, are not capable of this.
God, whoever that is, may have created us all, but... so what? God created animals that eat other animals, and we are one of those.
VatoEncantado 1 year ago
i eat meat that i kill freshly from the farm.
GoOfY1537 2 years ago 9
@GoOfY1537 you own a farm?
Mai8011 1 year ago
(i'd post fewer comments, but, only allowed 500 characters)
- methane is 15 times worse than CO2 for greenhouse effect!!!
-the brain is made out of protien. . . .also, malnutrition can make one dellusional, such as beleiving eating meat is murder, and evil, so, do urself a favour, eat some delicous nutritous meat, with some vegetables to side, then, do some reserach, and then come back to the world, with some common sense
replicator666 2 years ago
-if we don't eat them, and come veggies, then, we'll have to use grazing pasture, to grow crops, which means there'll be no food for us, or the cows/other animals. . .so, we'll all be terribly screwed. . .difference is, theres 6 billion of us. . .with guns, vs. not as many of them. . .we'd get the food, what little there'd be, and they would slowly starve. . . .while producing methane!!!
replicator666 2 years ago
alright. . . .well, way to take the extreme abuse cases, put them in a movie, put on some music, and say its the fault of the ppl who eat meat
-meat, as most ppl with a high school education know, is the MOST efficient source of protein. . .which is also how our brain determines hunger (more amino acids in blood= less hungry)
-most slaughterhouses, are regulated by governments to NOT abuse animals
-if we don't eat them, they'll produce methane. . .and kill the world XD
replicator666 2 years ago
And have you ever been electrocuted? It FUCKING hurts. You feel that pain constantly and if the voltage is high enough to kill something than it probably would hurt even worse for those few seconds than if yuo were to kill a chicken in shock
MasaneKai 2 years ago
I am against animal cruelty but I still hunt not for sport but for food. It is more natural and more in tune with our ancestors. Nothing beats a nice steak on the bbq.
Maxobillion 2 years ago
because 'being natural and more in tune with our ancestors' is more important than personal ethics. For that matter, make your own house out of natural materials, worship trees, don't use plumbing, etc. Killing = cruelty, regardless of who does it.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
Good Deal Simon!
MasaneKai 2 years ago
Then kill all predators in the world, in fact, kill yourself for you are killing billions and trillions of bacteria on a day to day basis.
Killing for food is natural, it is the circle of life. We are omnivores, and there is nothing wrong in killing prey.
cr9527 2 years ago
Killing all predators would be ridiculous. Killing to stay alive is one thing, killing when it's not necessary is wrong. In tightly woven 'circles of life' as you say, it is necessary for animals to prey on others. For humans, who have long since been removed from any sort of natural food chain, do not need to kill in order to survive.
It is necessary for me to consume bacteria in order to live.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"It is necessary for me to consume bacteria in order to live. "
Nope, In order to live, one doesn't even need to eat.
" Killing to stay alive is one thing, killing when it's not necessary is wrong"
Again, no. Prey are food, and whether or not we eat them, they will always be food.
cr9527 2 years ago
Yes, it is absolutely necessary to eat. There are very few things a person must do to live, and eating is one of them. 100% of scientists agree. Even breatharians, who claim not to eat, either make excuses to eat or die.
Secondly, how is something food if it isn't eaten? That is ridiculous logic. Prey is, by definition, food. This doesn't mean that animals are prey. They're only prey if you decide to hunt them.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
Veggies don't need to eat, they just live with a needle stuck up their ***
"how is something food if it isn't eaten"
If you dont eat say the cow, it will eventually be eaten by something.
Prey/Livestock are prey because they simply Cannot survive against a hungry predator.
If we just dump the cows into the wild, they will be eaten, one way or the other.
cr9527 2 years ago
No clue what you mean in that first sentence.
And if we dumped a cow into the wild, it probably would be eaten...by a wolf, a tiger, or some other predator that NEEDS to eat meat to live. Not to mention the fact that some of the animals you eat may have been able to survive had they not been selectively bred and drugged and trained to act as sitting ducks. Wild hogs can survive on their own, but pigs won't because we've stopped them from breeding to survive, and made them breed to be eaten.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
People who are braindead, vegetative state. I mock Vegetarians by putting them as the same word, Veggies.
"some other predator that NEEDS to eat meat to live"
Does it matter what animal eats it as long as it gets eaten to that Animal? Does it make any difference to it?
"they not been selectively bred and drugged and trained to act as sitting ducks"
Does it matter if we hunt it or just farm it? Either way will cause a similar deaths. Except, death by a bullet is more painful.
cr9527 2 years ago
You're funny for making fun of people with stronger personal ethics than you, good job. It is necessary for everyone to eat, you have yet to give any redeeming argument to that.
And if we don't farm, we will eat much less meat because it's inconvenient and expensive, so the animal won't die if it has to be farmed. It also will have a chance for survival.
Death by bullet is much, much less painful than what actually happens to livestock.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"Does it matter what animal eats it as long as it gets eaten to that Animal? Does it make any difference to it?"
Either way, a predator will kill. That's one dead animal. If you kill one to eat, that's two dead animals. If you chose not to kill one, then that's only 1 dead animal. The predator won't kill what you don't eat.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
but when you have more prey, there'd be more predators, thus more dead prey.
cr9527 2 years ago
you'd have more predators, true, but the additional predators wouldn't outnumber the additional prey. Either way, you don't hunt for all your beef, you pay people to breed them, inject them with steroids and hormones until they grow with tumors and injuries, cram them into tiny cages, unhumanely kill and skin them, etc.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
It would be enough predators to keep the balance between predator and prey, much like consumers and livestock.
Thus, Similar Deaths.
Farmers dont use Steroids to grow livestock!
as for Injuries, that happens in the wild MUCH more often.
You kill them 1st with Electricution, which happens in roughly a few seconds at most. When they are dead, they wouldn't give a damn what u do with their corpse.
Unlike predators, who eat the prey while they are alive.
cr9527 2 years ago
Unless you specifically buy grain-fed or organic beef, your meat has chemicals and steroids. Because of these, theirmeat grows faster than their bodies can support. Chickens, for example, usually have broken legs. There are people whose sole job it is to walk around and cut tumors off of chickens. I've been there and seen it. The hormones ingested by people through meat is also the reason why teens are experiencing puberty at an earlier age than ever before.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
And the animals that the predators kill still contribute to the 'circle of life' you mention. There is no reciprocity when humans eat animals. No animals kill and eat you. You die, get your body stored permanently is a casket. The predators at least give back to that cycle. When you raise animals to eat, the cycle stops with you.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
Also, a Casket isn't permanently sealed. Most corpses still indeed get decomposed by worms and whatnot.
cr9527 2 years ago
seriously, you are mad. Steroids is Banned in most countries.
"The predators at least give back to that cycle"
Fecal Matter. Humans do produce waste materials you know.
"Chickens, for example, usually have broken legs"
Yeah, in the wild, when they get broken legs, wings, Anything, or bit by a snake, covered in ticks, it will die a Slow, and Painful death.
And no, induced hormones do not cause Tumors. Ionizing Radiation, genetic manipulation, and natural causes do.
cr9527 2 years ago
Steroids are not banned in most countries are. Most types, maybe, but not all. I promise you, I've talked to farmers personally about that very topic.
"Yeah, in the wild, when they get broken legs..."
That is bullshit logic, and you know it. Not every wild bird has broken legs, and the possibility of that happening still gives you absolutely no right to do it yourself.
The chemicals given to animals cause tumors. That is fact.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"Not every wild bird has broken legs"
Because they are dead. Why do you think that the majority of wild animals have a Very high mortality rate? Most of them are killed by the environments themselves. Those that are lucky get to be eaten by predators.
cr9527 2 years ago
...... You sound so stupid, it'd be best to just stop fighting.
MasaneKai 2 years ago
"The chemicals given to animals cause tumors"
And by Which Mechanism do chemicals create Tumors?
Tumors are created either by genetics, or having their DNA being zapped to shitless by Ionizing Radiation.
While Chemical Mutagens to exist, they are toxic to humans, enough so that they are never allowed to be in our food system.
Hormones, Steroids are NOT mutagens.
cr9527 2 years ago
Many chemicals > carcinogens.
Carcinogens > cancer.
Cancer > tumors.
Also, this is one tiny point of the argument that you are dealing with. In the entirity of our conversation, I have yet to hear one compelling argument as to why it is okay to kill when it's not necessary. As far as your 'it will happen anyway' argument, we both know you're wrong. The animals will at least have a chance to live, life shouldn't be considered property anyway, You'll die eventually. I can kill you?
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"Many chemicals > carcinogens."
What??? Are you mad?
cr9527 2 years ago
I believe most animals go into a state of shock, in which the pain is delayed.
MasaneKai 2 years ago
in state of shock... when they are being clawed up and down, bitten everywhere, then having their skin being ripped apart, only to have sharp long teeth digging into its flesh until 10 minutes later, when the blood loss finally gets the best of it.
RIGHT....
" It FUCKING hurts"
Because its High Voltage, Low Amperage.
If you've ever been electricuted by a high amperage but low voltage, you'd feel nothing more than an involuntary reaction and some ticklish sensation.
cr9527 2 years ago
I still haven't heard a response to:
Also, this is one tiny point of the argument that you are dealing with. In the entirity of our conversation, I have yet to hear one compelling argument as to why it is okay to kill when it's not necessary. As far as your 'it will happen anyway' argument, we both know you're wrong. The animals will at least have a chance to live, life shouldn't be considered property anyway, You'll die eventually. I can kill you?
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"I have yet to hear one compelling argument as to why it is okay to kill when it's not necessary."
is it ok to squish a spider that has decided to set up a next of thousands of other spiders under your desk?
Or a wasp that set up a hive in your ceiling?
Or how about a Plant that you decide to eat?
Here is a fact. If we don't kill the livestock, they will just die a MUCH more painful and slower deaths.
Electrecution and dying in a few miliseconds beats being eaten alive.
cr9527 2 years ago
If you are threatened by the spider or the wasp, then it's okay to defend yourself. I have no clue how you came to the conclusion that I think that. Plant's aren't sentient beings. They do not feel, they do not think, etc. Also, it's necessary to eat plants to live.
Not all wild animals die. If they do die, it's because a predator needs the food. Humans do not need to eat animals, we can live 100% free of eating meat. Even if they die quickly, they're still dying, & after a rough life.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
Spider, Wasps don't pose a threat to you until they are threatened.
What if I feel threatened of the cow? can I kill it?
You think Cows are sentient beings? Put a Mirror infront of a cow, and it'd try to interact with whats in that mirror. This shows lack of self-awareness.
Feelings don't determine Sentient.
And some plants do feel, and can move.
And as far as we can see, Cows, Goats, Pigs, and Chickens have NOT demonstrated any capability to think beyond their natural instincts.
cr9527 2 years ago
If a family of spiders is on your computer desk, they're probably a threat to you. Same with wasps in your house. If a cow charges at you, feel free to put a bullet in its head. That's common sense.
Grab a dictionary, look up sentient. It means:
'having the power of perception by the senses'
Cows are sentient in that they have senses and can feel. If you stab a cow, the cow feels pain.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"Grab a dictionary, look up sentient. It means:
'having the power of perception by the senses'"
plants grow better if you talk to them/give them music to listen too, thus indicating that they can hear, which is a sense. . . .
(look it up, there've been several studies)
so, ur also eating sentient things, also, they can sense light, much like our eyes, direction of gravity, some even respond to touch
replicator666 2 years ago
I'm familiar with tropism, but all of those reatcions are purely biological. Plants do not have any sort of brains. They do not feel pain. They do not think any more than a virus or bacterium thinks.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"Even if they die quickly, they're still dying, & after a rough life."
first of all, they both live rough lives, in both nature, and in the farm. Except for 1 thing, the Farm allows them to live without fear of predators. Its just that they tend to have a slightly shorter life span.
"it's because a predator needs the food. Humans do not need to eat animals"
You can survive on pure IV drips, without hurting any plants or animals. Why don't you?
Until Cows form a tribe, They are Meat.
cr9527 2 years ago
You are entirely missing the point. Yea, it's a harsh life in the wild. But it's rough because there are predators that need to eat them. That's natural.
For absolutely no reason, you are dragging an animal through a life of unbalanced and chemically modified meals, cramped space, inhibited moviement, etc. It's not necessary at all. That's a fact.
IV drips contain minerals and proteins from plants.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
" Plant's aren't sentient beings. They do not feel, they do not think, "
thats the most arrrogant thing i've ever heard from someone who thinks that an animal that gets to be born, fed, while being protected from predators, then quickly killed, lives a harsh life
obviously, i'm to arrogant to see how thats a hard life, but, how can you, in ur wisdom believe that planets don't feel and think?
if you say science, then u sud know that, we dont NEED to eat meat, but it sure is useful
replicator666 2 years ago
All sensory and mental perception occurs within the brain, which plants don't have. They literally do not have the parts necessary for feeling or thought of any sort. THAT'S FACT!
Yea, meat is convenient and gets us food. It's also useful to me if I kill you and steal everything you own. Convenient and gets me money. Virtually no difference, except for no one will speak up for the former victim.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"why it is okay to kill when it's not necessary"
well. . . .we need to eat, animals provide us with meat, to EAT, thus, neccasary
and please, don't tell me we're not omnivoure's, becuz, we are, as such, we need meat, and vegetables/fruits
replicator666 2 years ago
I didn't say we don't need to eat. That's obvious. We don't, however, need to kill to eat. It's not necessary to eat meat to live. That's a fact. Ask one of millions of people who don't do it. I'm not an omnivore, I only eat plants. It's a choice, and most people (such as yourself) don't care about their crimes enough to overcome laziness and convenience.
We don't need meat. You only say you do because it's an easy way to justify your obscene habits.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"I'm not an omnivore, I only eat plants. It's a choice"
It is NOT a choice, your body is built to be an Omnivore, with tendancy leaning towards Meats. We can digest meats much easier than we do vegetables.
Just because a chicken decides to eat bugs doesn't make it a Carnivore.
We don't NEED meat, but our body craves for them. As far as we know, Livestock don't have clans, countries, or rational thought. They live to breed, then die. We let them do that, but also eat them.
cr9527 2 years ago
The only reason there is a tendancy to eat meat is because you've eaten meat your entire life. There are people who've never had a single bite of meat, and they're 110% as healthy as you. They vomit if they eat meat. Rational thought, citizenship, etc. are not what it means to be alive. You are no more alive than they are. You live, breed and die.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"90% of plant protein is wasted when you cycle it through livestock"
And what contributions do other predators have?
cr9527 2 years ago
Listen, your whole 'animals will get eaten anyway' argument is absolutely ridiculous. You continue to say that, though I've defeated your argument several times. Please, come up with something that's valid, or stop commenting.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
ask any biologist what'd happen if over 6 billion ppl suddendly stop eating animals, and turn to plants. . . . .good luck justifying all the herbivoures that'll die cuz we used all the grazing land to grow tomoatoes :s
replicator666 2 years ago
80% of the corn we grow is used for feeding livestock. Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 40,000.
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 250.
Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56.
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16. No way in hell meat is less space-consuming than crops. Sorry, you're just flat-out wrong.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16"
so, a cow, that is a herbivore, and evolved to eat vegetation, uses 4 stomachs, and rechews the food many times to get that result
how efficient will it be for a human to consume only vegetation? considering, as you mentioned, we've been eating mostly meat, especially before we mastered agriculture, and we were nomadic
replicator666 2 years ago
90% of the proteins cows eat are used by the cows, so we immediately only get 10% of our crop yield by having meat.
If Americans stopped eating meat, we could save 100 million people from starvation and keep them on a sustainable diet. That is fact.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
specifically, what are you talking about? chickens, for one, have their heads removed, with a blade, can't feel pain with that
and, religious methods such as koshur or halal are quite strick in not abusing the animal, and minimizing its pain
as i've said b4, u can't use a few isolated extreme cases to symbolize the masses
replicator666 2 years ago
It actually does make a difference. we need to eat ot sustain our bodies, by gaining nutrients and proteins. If we can get these from other sources such as: SOy, Tofu, beans, various vegetables, vitamins, and otehr dietary supplements, Why would we need to kill some poor helpless animal. Nature has an order and if we don't need meat why eat it?
MasaneKai 2 years ago 3
Thank you, I hate when people claim that meat is necessary for protein.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"Why would we need to kill some poor helpless animal"
Because we are evolved into Omnivores.
cr9527 2 years ago
"Nature has an order "
. . . .ya, that order is, we are omnivores, we eat meat and vegetables/fruits, among other thing
infact, we can't even digest cellulose, which is what most of plant matter is. . . .we just aren't designed to live off of a mainly plant diet
replicator666 2 years ago
@MasaneKai indeed nature does have an order. . . . . .
Sun -> Plants -> Herbivores/Omnivores -> Carnivores/Omnivores
guess where we fit in?
(i'll give you a hint, nature says its all cool if we eat meat)
replicator666 6 months ago
@MasaneKai Good question, I might also add we don't need extra protein from soy, tofu, beans, and other dietary supplements. We get exactly the right amount from whole fruit & veg and the occasional nuts/seeds. Nature took care of that for us too.
0slam 4 months ago
"They're only prey if you decide to hunt them. "
wow, someone's on a high horse!
when did humans become this great race that all things revolve around?
also, prey is something that is hunted to be eaten. . . .we essentially grow the cattle, and other animals, to BE eaten, much like crops on a farm
doesn't seem like prey to me
replicator666 2 years ago
'nature has an order'
'we essentially grow...animals, to BE eaten, much like crops'
Those statements are contradictory. It's not natural to mass raise animals and systematically condition them to be mindless, immobile pieces of meat.
'when did humans become this great race that all things revolve around?'
' . . .we essentially grow the cattle, and other animals, to BE eaten, much like crops on a farm'
You are making a fool of yourself, completely.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"Those statements are contradictory. It's not natural to mass raise animals and systematically condition them to be mindless, immobile pieces of meat."
It is natural, for we are a creation of nature. Therefore everything we do is natural. It doesn't matter how we call it, Nature is Everything.
A Computer can be programmed to do basic survival tasks, be programmed to breed, be programmed to feel, to move, to make sounds, to communicate. Does that make them Sentient?
cr9527 2 years ago
"It is natural, for we are a creation of nature. "
I agree with you completely, if u follow the scientific reasoning, we're all part of nature, and us eating animals, is just our place in the food chain
the religous/creationist reasoning would be: God created animals and plants for us to eat, so, . . .lets eat XD
replicator666 2 years ago
An obese, mentally retarded man can easily get the fittest, most intelligent animal to eat. The way the meat has been so industrialized and institutionalized has completely erased any place we have (or the farm animals have) in any food chain or other natural process/cycle.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
" erased any place we have (or the farm animals have) in any food chain or other natural process/cycle. "
ah. . . . .ya, wow
have you ever heard of dairy ants? they basicly farm aphids like cattle, but, does that mean that the food chain isn't there? i think not!
honey bees have industrialized the creation of honey, yet, thats part of the food chain of bears, humans, etc.
just because humans have an edge in the ecosystem, doesn't mean we're above the ecosystem
replicator666 2 years ago
you are entirely, entirely not getting what I'm saying. Please, reply to this one statement. Only this.
It is not absolutely necessary to eat meat. It's necessary for ants to eat aphids, necessary for bees to make honey, necessary for some animals to eat meat. It is not, by any stretch of the word, necessary for humans to eat meat. It's just not. Convenient, and that is no just cause. FYI: 90% of plant protein is wasted when you cycle it through livestock.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
"FYI: 90% of plant protein is wasted when you cycle it through livestock. "
i'd like to see some sources, mind you, if that is being used to repair damage to cells, and grow. . .its not wasted per se
"It is not absolutely necessary to eat meat"
can't argue with that, but, ur arguing about the morality of humans, another creature on this planet, eating other animals, and, IMO, it is NOT immoral for us to eat something we have evolved to eat
replicator666 2 years ago
a computer can be programmed to detect, that is all. There is no agony involved, no horror, no torture.
ScuzbaII 2 years ago
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TheUnsilenced 2 years ago
I like the singing on this one the best. You sound pretty happy!!!! : ). Becareful of the too many carbos however. Sorry you know that!
Artcarnie 3 years ago
yumm.... steak...
Beliserius1 3 years ago
Morons piss me off
MoronsPissMeOff 3 years ago
you know how to spell your name, grats!
Beliserius1 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
You're a fucking idiot
MasaneKai 2 years ago
next, he can learn teh alphabets!
replicator666 2 years ago
next you can learn the alphabet the h goes before the e dumb ass
yourockmysox1994 2 years ago