I can't believe how the republican party jumps on every little hiccup on the investments in alternative energies and choose to ignore larger less efficent expenditures like the wall street bailouts 13,000,000,000,000 > 500,000.000. Even in venture capitalism there are failures. but the successful venture more than make up for the failed ones.
Flagship UK carbon capture project 'close to collapse'. Scottish Power expected to pull out of government-promoted scheme to build a £1bn prototype CCS plant at Longannet. A £1bn flagship government project for fighting climate change – the construction of a prototype carbon capture and storage (CCS) project at Longannet in Scotland – is on the verge of collapse, it emerged on Thursday.
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The gov knew it was a failure but was throwing money at a contributor, so solyndras CEO gets away with millions and the company goes under and we lose 500mil in investment.
So many reasons to dislike Obama. He chose the cabinet, he supported a facility with known issues.
But thats no excuse to scrap a whole industry thats actually successful.
As we knew Solyndra was bad, we know solar is growing and improving every year.
@waltermh111 But its still heavy in this improvement time, it needs funding and private business just doesnt cut it.
People would be shocked to know how much gov funding has gotten us this far when private business wouldnt step up because its too focused on what it knows and not what it can learn.
@waltermh111 So your claim is that people with guns, who are in control of the instruments of coercion, have better foresight into what will be an eventual success and what will be a failure? If the gvt were an investment firm, how would you rate their performance? They are losing money left and right, have continuously made losses and racked them up to unsustainable levels. How can you state these individuals have superior insights in business decisions?
@modelmark Yes, businesses that are given the funds to grow their new tech have a better chance of giving us all the options we can choose from than businesses who had to stay small for another decade and/or go bankrupt.
As for its investment rating. Its rated A-
They fund more than you can ever imagine and they help create many of the things you use today and will use tomorrow and help advance our understanding of the world.
As for losing money left and right, so does business.
@waltermh111 SP500 has a positive bottom line, all governments over the world ALL have a minus on their bottom line, and had so for years. They are not playing with their own money and they can coerce their tax cattle to pay for their losses as their disastrous decisions play out. Companies that have such losses are only those companies that have lobbied for a bailout guarantee from the coercers. US gvt has over 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities. It's insane.
@modelmark Your insane if you think a gov should even act like a business.
Businesses go out of business all the time, or the companies have a failing division and just cut it loose and create another failing one, or they push the losses offshore.
Its easy to fake or manipulate a positive bottom line, but it doesnt mean they dont have losses left and right.
Sony has alot of its divisions in the negative subsidised by divisions that are positive, microsoft is similar.
@waltermh111 not SHOULD act, they DO act. There are only people in reality, gvt and business is just a mental construct. Gvt IS a private enterprise.The people in it are after your money, just like people in a business. The only difference is that they SAY they are not after your money and that they have guns, laws, courts, police and army to take your money by force. That they say they are not after your money, but look out for your well being is advertising.To believe advertising is gullible
@g4macdad You can only say about individual people if they are good or bad. If they live by coercion and extortion, they are bad. All people are private people. It can be said that gvt is according to their own rules, funded by extortion and coercion and companies are supposed not to be and operate with voluntary acquired capital, employees and customers.
@g4macdad they are all bad including 'progressive' candidates. I don't vote at all, it just encourages the bastards. Voting is an auction of goods to be stolen and a suggestion box for slaves. It's an idiotic ritual, that will feel sillier and sillier after more change changes nothing and more referenda are completely ignored.
If politicians were interested in what you want, they would leave you alone and look what you did. They force you, they don't care about you.
Very dumb video. It advocates the fascist practice of taxing tax payer dollars and giving it to solar companies because the government already subsidizes oil companies. How about we stop the subsidizing altogether and let the best, cheapest and most environmentally responsible energy solutions win in a free market?
Is that why the "left-wing" slaves violently overthrew the right-wing in France? Because they despised the cheapest and best solutions? WOW!
When a corporation outsources into a country, with ZERO civil rights or liberties because labor is "cheaper," they are advocating THAT form of government over ours. Essentially TREASON to all patriotic Americans.
We should "subsidize" whatever WE decide to. SCREW the "corporations" that don't take responsibility.
just face it, solyndra was a scam and took money from tax payers under threat of coercion into the coffers of the scammers.
Oil industry pays massive taxes off course, but you have to count income tax on wages of employees, vat taxes on sales, lobbying costs to prevent them from being legislatively plundered.
Yeah, let's funnel $535 million to a campaign donor and call it a failed investment in green energy. Oops. We didn't know it was going to fail. Corruption at it's finest, asswipe.
Texas has the highest level of air pollution (by a wide margin) of the entire USA.
And people still think Perry would make a good President?
Alas, they do.
Why?
Because he quotes the Bible and thinks it's a science book.
Whom does this attract?
Poor people who are too dumb to know that Perry, and most of the other "Bible-based" candidates are walking, talking horrors, and that they, the poor, dumb people, suffer the most from their policies.
@polemius01 Highest level? You mean higher than California. I am sure Texas is high but I remember I visited San Diego and saw Smog levels are part of their weather forecast.
@biguy617 There was a chart in the New York Times, just a few days ago. California is second in general pollution, but, in another chart, is first in ozone.
The story of Solyndra: A corporation that builds solar panels goes out of business because the solar panels of OTHER manufacturers have gotten far cheaper and more efficient. And the Far Right say that because of this all solar power should be defunded. Way to spin success!
@AnnoyedDragon Actually, both solar AND wind provide energy EXACTLY WHEN NEEDED. During the hottest, brightest days, solar runs at peak efficiency, just in time for the surge in use for airconditioners, and during stormy and windy days, you get the wind power running at peak efficiency, right when everybody is staying home.
@dangerouslytalented Sun energy only works during the day, requires huge surface areas, and only works best; if you are lucky enough to live in a country with reliable sunny weather.
The UK is being coated in expensive wind farms, which are ruining the landscape, and they only work a third of the time. Conditions have to be perfect. Too hot, too cold, too windy, not windy enough. They only work during ideal conditions, which makes them useless when energy demands are high in winter and summer.
@AnnoyedDragon Yes, it only works during the daytime, but at night then you can turn on the hydro power or whatever. Solar power does not require tearing mountains apart, does not explode or leak any toxins, and as for wind "ruining the landscape" What the fuck are you talking about? A coalmine or uranium mine will not only ruin the landscape, but leave a gigantic toxic hole in the ground.
@dangerouslytalented Only I wasn't arguing in defence of coal mines, was I? And I'd hardly compare mining uranium deposits to the scale that coal deposits are.
You seem to have a idealistic view of green energy. It's all well and good to say we need to convert to green sources of energy, but actually doing so; and getting a reliable and sufficient energy source is another thing. When perfected, I'd side with fusion over any green technology any day.
@AnnoyedDragon It is not idealistic, but green energy is still in its developmental phase, and when storage becomes more efficient, then things will really take off.
@Pomme843 Different systems are appropriate for different areas. Vegas, for example, is 100% powered by hydro. Sunny areas can be powered by the sun, windy areas powered by wind, areas where the geology permits it can run on geothermal, areas near large lakes and the sea can use tidal (depending on topography) etc... Once those options are exhausted, then fossil fuel comes into its own, but if it is the first option, then all the cleaner and/or cheaper ones are not considered.
part of your explanation is flawed... on stormy windy days they actually shut down wind turbines. So that they don't spin to fast and rip themselves apart.
@hppyhckr I am not talking about storms, I am talking about those days where the wind comes directly and steadily down from the Arctic or the Antarctic, that many cities can get from time to time.
"from time to time" is the problem... It's inconsistent. And when installed in an area that relies mostly on coal power, the emissions actually increase.
You completely ignored my point... Wind energy by way of being inconsistent actually INCREASES the emissions. Also Wind energy is the least efficient method of creating electricity.
Actually, the fossil fuel industry is many times more risky than nuclear fission. Fusion isn't cost-effective unless they can somehow get cold fusion to work - which seems unlikely. Fission works great, though. However, the energy potential of the sun is extremely high. If we could develop panels effective enough to harness it properly, we would never need another source of fuel.
@smaakjeks I don't know what makes you say that, given that a fusion plant hasn't even been developed yet; anywhere. It's a new technology, it's still work in progress, so to say it isn't cost effective is a bit premature.
The first fusion plant is being built in the UK, and it is just a prototype, they don't even know if it will work yet. But perfecting the technology is desirable, because it is much safer than fission.
"I don't know what makes you say that, given that a fusion plant hasn't even been developed yet; anywhere."
Fusion plant is different from experiments with fusion (e.g. Joint European Torus). Experiments with fusion thus far have not yielded a higher output of energy compared to input. From what I could find after a quick google, it seems physicists are optimistic about future prototypes, like the ITER and DEMO. Neither of which are currently under construction in the UK.
@smaakjeks The worlds first fusion plant is under construction in the UK. Now, whether it will actually work we will have to wait and see, but I am far more optimistic about this technology than the green options.
Not everyone can build a solar farm, or a hydroelectric dam. Nuclear power works day and night, regardless of the exterior conditions. That's the sort of reliability we need. The potential of fusion is just going to make it safer.
"The worlds first fusion plant is under construction in the UK."
Yeah, you said so already. How about a name of the plant, if you're so sure it's being built? How about responding to the points in my comment instead of repeating your previous one?
"Not everyone can build a solar farm, or a hydroelectric dam. Nuclear power works day and night (...)"
Agreed, not everyone can use solar/wind etc. power, but not because of variation in power output. Batteries exist, you know.
@smaakjeks It takes you 5 seconds to stick "UK fusion plant" into Google. Honestly, there is no point in being so rude.
Tell me, where in the UK do you build a solar plant, given the UK erratic and unpredictable weather? We had a cool and cloudy summer, and only a few days of sun this week. We already have hydro power stations, and their energy is inefficient. We're coating the coast in wind farms, and they are expensive and highly inefficient, drawing complaints from locals and visitors.
"It takes you 5 seconds to stick "UK fusion plant" into Google. Honestly, there is no point in being so rude."
Ignoring my comment and making me search up the nameless plant you have in mind is rude. I found JET, but I've already explained that JET had a lower output than input so far. I found plans for an actual plant in the UK, but nothing currently being built.
Did I say that the UK was a place where solar/wind power was best? No, I didn't.
@smaakjeks It's one thing to be pro green technology, it's another to impose your mentality on others; regardless of the circumstances of their country. It's just not practical.
"It's one thing to be pro green technology, it's another to impose your mentality on others"
You don't know anything about my mentality, because I haven't said anything about what should and should not be built when and where. I am, in fact, in favour of nuclear power. So, please don't read between the lines to find subtext that doesn't exist.
@smaakjeks Given your aggression against mining and repeated defence of green technology, you give off the impression that you are a greenite. Someone who is irrationally in defence of green technology. If that wasn't your intent, it's still the impression I got. Swearing when I dared suggest people have a problem with wind farms appearance didn't help either.
Regardless, points have been made, no point in dragging this on.
"Given your aggression against mining and repeated defence of green technology (...)"
Hm. I think you are confusing me with that other person you've been discussing with - dangerouslytalented. I haven't sworn at you, for one thing. If that's what happened, no worries. I've made the same mistake myself a few times in the past. Anyway, I learned that fusion power is closer to being real than I thought, so that's something I got out of this. So, thanks for that bit of uplifting news.
All the commercial media jumping on this, not to mention the politicians... which I just did... are heavy on the headlines: "Obama favorite gets Loan guarantee... Goes belly-up." - or whatever... but down in the details of the story... HEY... no story... no details... no nothing of how or why it went from Point A to Point B. So... if the White House is silent... and the 24/7 loud, louder, loudest right-wing noise machine is eeeeven quieter... What happened?
I can't believe how the republican party jumps on every little hiccup on the investments in alternative energies and choose to ignore larger less efficent expenditures like the wall street bailouts 13,000,000,000,000 > 500,000.000. Even in venture capitalism there are failures. but the successful venture more than make up for the failed ones.
cyborganic99 2 weeks ago
Man this is spot-on. The fact that the people who make up our government don't know things like this frightens me.
LiberalJerseyman 3 months ago
@LiberalJerseyman its not about how are government doesn't know, its lobbyist pay them not to think for themselves
stormweaver82 2 months ago
Not voting at all, is exactly the purpose of ridiculous GOP propaganda. You lose, they win.
g4macdad 4 months ago
Flagship UK carbon capture project 'close to collapse'. Scottish Power expected to pull out of government-promoted scheme to build a £1bn prototype CCS plant at Longannet. A £1bn flagship government project for fighting climate change – the construction of a prototype carbon capture and storage (CCS) project at Longannet in Scotland – is on the verge of collapse, it emerged on Thursday.
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modelmark 5 months ago
olyndra was an embarassment.
The gov knew it was a failure but was throwing money at a contributor, so solyndras CEO gets away with millions and the company goes under and we lose 500mil in investment.
So many reasons to dislike Obama. He chose the cabinet, he supported a facility with known issues.
But thats no excuse to scrap a whole industry thats actually successful.
As we knew Solyndra was bad, we know solar is growing and improving every year.
waltermh111 5 months ago in playlist More videos from markfiore
@waltermh111 But its still heavy in this improvement time, it needs funding and private business just doesnt cut it.
People would be shocked to know how much gov funding has gotten us this far when private business wouldnt step up because its too focused on what it knows and not what it can learn.
waltermh111 5 months ago in playlist More videos from markfiore
@waltermh111 So your claim is that people with guns, who are in control of the instruments of coercion, have better foresight into what will be an eventual success and what will be a failure? If the gvt were an investment firm, how would you rate their performance? They are losing money left and right, have continuously made losses and racked them up to unsustainable levels. How can you state these individuals have superior insights in business decisions?
modelmark 5 months ago
@modelmark Yes, businesses that are given the funds to grow their new tech have a better chance of giving us all the options we can choose from than businesses who had to stay small for another decade and/or go bankrupt.
As for its investment rating. Its rated A-
They fund more than you can ever imagine and they help create many of the things you use today and will use tomorrow and help advance our understanding of the world.
As for losing money left and right, so does business.
waltermh111 5 months ago
@waltermh111 SP500 has a positive bottom line, all governments over the world ALL have a minus on their bottom line, and had so for years. They are not playing with their own money and they can coerce their tax cattle to pay for their losses as their disastrous decisions play out. Companies that have such losses are only those companies that have lobbied for a bailout guarantee from the coercers. US gvt has over 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities. It's insane.
modelmark 5 months ago
@modelmark Your insane if you think a gov should even act like a business.
Businesses go out of business all the time, or the companies have a failing division and just cut it loose and create another failing one, or they push the losses offshore.
Its easy to fake or manipulate a positive bottom line, but it doesnt mean they dont have losses left and right.
Sony has alot of its divisions in the negative subsidised by divisions that are positive, microsoft is similar.
waltermh111 5 months ago
@waltermh111 not SHOULD act, they DO act. There are only people in reality, gvt and business is just a mental construct. Gvt IS a private enterprise.The people in it are after your money, just like people in a business. The only difference is that they SAY they are not after your money and that they have guns, laws, courts, police and army to take your money by force. That they say they are not after your money, but look out for your well being is advertising.To believe advertising is gullible
modelmark 5 months ago
@modelmark
Then you are saying private industry is bad?
g4macdad 5 months ago
@g4macdad You can only say about individual people if they are good or bad. If they live by coercion and extortion, they are bad. All people are private people. It can be said that gvt is according to their own rules, funded by extortion and coercion and companies are supposed not to be and operate with voluntary acquired capital, employees and customers.
modelmark 5 months ago
@modelmark
You should not speak so harshly about the GOP. They are not ALL bad; just 90% of them.
That is why I typically vote for the most progressive candidates.
g4macdad 5 months ago
@g4macdad they are all bad including 'progressive' candidates. I don't vote at all, it just encourages the bastards. Voting is an auction of goods to be stolen and a suggestion box for slaves. It's an idiotic ritual, that will feel sillier and sillier after more change changes nothing and more referenda are completely ignored.
If politicians were interested in what you want, they would leave you alone and look what you did. They force you, they don't care about you.
modelmark 5 months ago
Very dumb video. It advocates the fascist practice of taxing tax payer dollars and giving it to solar companies because the government already subsidizes oil companies. How about we stop the subsidizing altogether and let the best, cheapest and most environmentally responsible energy solutions win in a free market?
canaanav 5 months ago
@canaanav
Is that why the "left-wing" slaves violently overthrew the right-wing in France? Because they despised the cheapest and best solutions? WOW!
When a corporation outsources into a country, with ZERO civil rights or liberties because labor is "cheaper," they are advocating THAT form of government over ours. Essentially TREASON to all patriotic Americans.
We should "subsidize" whatever WE decide to. SCREW the "corporations" that don't take responsibility.
g4macdad 5 months ago
@g4macdad Put the computer away. You're not even talking about the same issue. You're being an idiot and making no point.
canaanav 5 months ago
effing brilliant
beerandbanjo 5 months ago
just face it, solyndra was a scam and took money from tax payers under threat of coercion into the coffers of the scammers.
Oil industry pays massive taxes off course, but you have to count income tax on wages of employees, vat taxes on sales, lobbying costs to prevent them from being legislatively plundered.
modelmark 5 months ago
@modelmark it's all illogical nonsense like so often. But the cartoon and drawing quality is quiet good. You have to give him that.
modelmark 5 months ago
A failing solar company lobbies for stimulus money, and its okay because big oil receives federal subsidies? So two wrongs make a right?
I don’t like oil subsidies either, but then again, I don’t like subsidies period, especially when they’re wrapped up in a “stimulus package.”
BlameTheFirst 5 months ago
Yeah, let's funnel $535 million to a campaign donor and call it a failed investment in green energy. Oops. We didn't know it was going to fail. Corruption at it's finest, asswipe.
666sigma 5 months ago
Texas has the highest level of air pollution (by a wide margin) of the entire USA.
And people still think Perry would make a good President?
Alas, they do.
Why?
Because he quotes the Bible and thinks it's a science book.
Whom does this attract?
Poor people who are too dumb to know that Perry, and most of the other "Bible-based" candidates are walking, talking horrors, and that they, the poor, dumb people, suffer the most from their policies.
polemius01 5 months ago
@polemius01 Highest level? You mean higher than California. I am sure Texas is high but I remember I visited San Diego and saw Smog levels are part of their weather forecast.
biguy617 5 months ago
@biguy617 There was a chart in the New York Times, just a few days ago. California is second in general pollution, but, in another chart, is first in ozone.
polemius01 5 months ago
Simpsons did it.
petehjr1 5 months ago
Simpsons did it!
aestevalis0 5 months ago
Inconvenient Facts
1. China is now building two coal fired power plants every week.
source_ BBC Business
2. Eleven new coal-plants were commissioned in 2010 India. -
source_ Wikipedia,org-wiki-Coal
3.China produced about 1.8 gigawatts of solar panels of which 98 percent of the panels it produces are exported abroad
source_EnergyTribune 2010.
4. China's cost to produce a 500-MW wafer module $1.27 - US cost to produce a 150-MW wafer module $1.77
source_Greentechmedia 2010
miamistorm 5 months ago
The story of Solyndra: A corporation that builds solar panels goes out of business because the solar panels of OTHER manufacturers have gotten far cheaper and more efficient. And the Far Right say that because of this all solar power should be defunded. Way to spin success!
dangerouslytalented 5 months ago 23
Sun and wind energy are unreliable and inefficient. We should be focusing on advancing new applications of nuclear technology; such as fusion.
Works day and night, hot or cold, windy or calm. Without the same risks posed by fission.
AnnoyedDragon 5 months ago
@AnnoyedDragon Actually, both solar AND wind provide energy EXACTLY WHEN NEEDED. During the hottest, brightest days, solar runs at peak efficiency, just in time for the surge in use for airconditioners, and during stormy and windy days, you get the wind power running at peak efficiency, right when everybody is staying home.
dangerouslytalented 5 months ago 10
@dangerouslytalented Sun energy only works during the day, requires huge surface areas, and only works best; if you are lucky enough to live in a country with reliable sunny weather.
The UK is being coated in expensive wind farms, which are ruining the landscape, and they only work a third of the time. Conditions have to be perfect. Too hot, too cold, too windy, not windy enough. They only work during ideal conditions, which makes them useless when energy demands are high in winter and summer.
AnnoyedDragon 5 months ago
@AnnoyedDragon Yes, it only works during the daytime, but at night then you can turn on the hydro power or whatever. Solar power does not require tearing mountains apart, does not explode or leak any toxins, and as for wind "ruining the landscape" What the fuck are you talking about? A coalmine or uranium mine will not only ruin the landscape, but leave a gigantic toxic hole in the ground.
dangerouslytalented 5 months ago
@dangerouslytalented Only I wasn't arguing in defence of coal mines, was I? And I'd hardly compare mining uranium deposits to the scale that coal deposits are.
You seem to have a idealistic view of green energy. It's all well and good to say we need to convert to green sources of energy, but actually doing so; and getting a reliable and sufficient energy source is another thing. When perfected, I'd side with fusion over any green technology any day.
AnnoyedDragon 5 months ago
@AnnoyedDragon It is not idealistic, but green energy is still in its developmental phase, and when storage becomes more efficient, then things will really take off.
dangerouslytalented 5 months ago
@dangerouslytalented What if you live in friggin Norway? Wind power will hardly suffice here.
Pomme843 5 months ago
@Pomme843 Different systems are appropriate for different areas. Vegas, for example, is 100% powered by hydro. Sunny areas can be powered by the sun, windy areas powered by wind, areas where the geology permits it can run on geothermal, areas near large lakes and the sea can use tidal (depending on topography) etc... Once those options are exhausted, then fossil fuel comes into its own, but if it is the first option, then all the cleaner and/or cheaper ones are not considered.
dangerouslytalented 5 months ago
@dangerouslytalented
Acutally wind turbinse are most effecient at night...
hppyhckr 5 months ago
@hppyhckr ... which makes up for the sun not shining then.
dangerouslytalented 5 months ago
@dangerouslytalented
part of your explanation is flawed... on stormy windy days they actually shut down wind turbines. So that they don't spin to fast and rip themselves apart.
hppyhckr 5 months ago
@hppyhckr I am not talking about storms, I am talking about those days where the wind comes directly and steadily down from the Arctic or the Antarctic, that many cities can get from time to time.
dangerouslytalented 5 months ago
@dangerouslytalented
"from time to time" is the problem... It's inconsistent. And when installed in an area that relies mostly on coal power, the emissions actually increase.
hppyhckr 5 months ago
@hppyhckr But the times when it is coldest, when those Arctic winds whip up, THAT is EXACTLY when that electricity is needed most.
dangerouslytalented 5 months ago
@dangerouslytalented
You completely ignored my point... Wind energy by way of being inconsistent actually INCREASES the emissions. Also Wind energy is the least efficient method of creating electricity.
hppyhckr 5 months ago
@AnnoyedDragon
Actually, the fossil fuel industry is many times more risky than nuclear fission. Fusion isn't cost-effective unless they can somehow get cold fusion to work - which seems unlikely. Fission works great, though. However, the energy potential of the sun is extremely high. If we could develop panels effective enough to harness it properly, we would never need another source of fuel.
smaakjeks 5 months ago
@smaakjeks I don't know what makes you say that, given that a fusion plant hasn't even been developed yet; anywhere. It's a new technology, it's still work in progress, so to say it isn't cost effective is a bit premature.
The first fusion plant is being built in the UK, and it is just a prototype, they don't even know if it will work yet. But perfecting the technology is desirable, because it is much safer than fission.
AnnoyedDragon 5 months ago
@AnnoyedDragon
"I don't know what makes you say that, given that a fusion plant hasn't even been developed yet; anywhere."
Fusion plant is different from experiments with fusion (e.g. Joint European Torus). Experiments with fusion thus far have not yielded a higher output of energy compared to input. From what I could find after a quick google, it seems physicists are optimistic about future prototypes, like the ITER and DEMO. Neither of which are currently under construction in the UK.
smaakjeks 5 months ago
@smaakjeks The worlds first fusion plant is under construction in the UK. Now, whether it will actually work we will have to wait and see, but I am far more optimistic about this technology than the green options.
Not everyone can build a solar farm, or a hydroelectric dam. Nuclear power works day and night, regardless of the exterior conditions. That's the sort of reliability we need. The potential of fusion is just going to make it safer.
AnnoyedDragon 5 months ago
@AnnoyedDragon
"The worlds first fusion plant is under construction in the UK."
Yeah, you said so already. How about a name of the plant, if you're so sure it's being built? How about responding to the points in my comment instead of repeating your previous one?
"Not everyone can build a solar farm, or a hydroelectric dam. Nuclear power works day and night (...)"
Agreed, not everyone can use solar/wind etc. power, but not because of variation in power output. Batteries exist, you know.
smaakjeks 5 months ago
@smaakjeks It takes you 5 seconds to stick "UK fusion plant" into Google. Honestly, there is no point in being so rude.
Tell me, where in the UK do you build a solar plant, given the UK erratic and unpredictable weather? We had a cool and cloudy summer, and only a few days of sun this week. We already have hydro power stations, and their energy is inefficient. We're coating the coast in wind farms, and they are expensive and highly inefficient, drawing complaints from locals and visitors.
AnnoyedDragon 5 months ago
@AnnoyedDragon
"It takes you 5 seconds to stick "UK fusion plant" into Google. Honestly, there is no point in being so rude."
Ignoring my comment and making me search up the nameless plant you have in mind is rude. I found JET, but I've already explained that JET had a lower output than input so far. I found plans for an actual plant in the UK, but nothing currently being built.
Did I say that the UK was a place where solar/wind power was best? No, I didn't.
smaakjeks 5 months ago
@smaakjeks It's one thing to be pro green technology, it's another to impose your mentality on others; regardless of the circumstances of their country. It's just not practical.
AnnoyedDragon 5 months ago
@AnnoyedDragon
"It's one thing to be pro green technology, it's another to impose your mentality on others"
You don't know anything about my mentality, because I haven't said anything about what should and should not be built when and where. I am, in fact, in favour of nuclear power. So, please don't read between the lines to find subtext that doesn't exist.
smaakjeks 5 months ago
@smaakjeks Given your aggression against mining and repeated defence of green technology, you give off the impression that you are a greenite. Someone who is irrationally in defence of green technology. If that wasn't your intent, it's still the impression I got. Swearing when I dared suggest people have a problem with wind farms appearance didn't help either.
Regardless, points have been made, no point in dragging this on.
AnnoyedDragon 5 months ago
@AnnoyedDragon
"Given your aggression against mining and repeated defence of green technology (...)"
Hm. I think you are confusing me with that other person you've been discussing with - dangerouslytalented. I haven't sworn at you, for one thing. If that's what happened, no worries. I've made the same mistake myself a few times in the past. Anyway, I learned that fusion power is closer to being real than I thought, so that's something I got out of this. So, thanks for that bit of uplifting news.
smaakjeks 5 months ago
but america can afford to go to war for oil's interest XD.
aetherealworlds 5 months ago
All the commercial media jumping on this, not to mention the politicians... which I just did... are heavy on the headlines: "Obama favorite gets Loan guarantee... Goes belly-up." - or whatever... but down in the details of the story... HEY... no story... no details... no nothing of how or why it went from Point A to Point B. So... if the White House is silent... and the 24/7 loud, louder, loudest right-wing noise machine is eeeeven quieter... What happened?
voyeurdug 5 months ago
That's it.
I'm saving up for a hybrid.
GarlicPudding 5 months ago
load of crap. Solyndra should be a warning against the govt misutilization of resources. instead neo-liberals spend their time on strawman arguments.
sparshparimoo 5 months ago