Air resistance. That's why you won't be able to hover. Not a good idea for fullsize applications. But who cares? You had a good idea and made lots of money. Great!
its simple common sence. the big flat paper tail acts like a huge rudder... which only works in flight. lets see a video of you hovering and and flying in other directions then see how much u dont need a tail rotor...
Better watch my other videos, as you obviously missed the fact that I can really crank around with it in any direction, and even do loops and rolls. I even just made a video of it being launched off my catapult. It works very well for something 20 years ago.
This was 20 years ago and they hadnt been invented yet. Besides, CR blades cannot handle winds like this. It was designed for rc airplane pilots that could fly helis without learning to hover, which most cannot.
I am interested in 3D aerobatics. Without tail rotor it's impossible. Guess our interests are just different :) I don't want just to fly. For that I can use airplane. I want to do some crazy stunts :)
Yep I do plenty of that,but when helicopters had no gyros, and were new on the scene, many of my airplane friends wanted to fly my helicopters and could not and crashed MY helicopters. SO I invented this and they were happy. There was no 3d back then. Come on!
Folks are commenting on what a heli is, the title, & worried about a few words, vs what the video is about and what I successfully invented!
What the Hyperfly is called has nothing to do with the success I had with my invention. Its just a name folks! I can hover it in 5 kt winds seen in my other vid and also flies in 30 kt winds, which most of you would never attempt with any RC. It's too time consuming to answer all who are worried about what it is.
I think the issue is that your video and the title give the impression that the tail rotor is some kind of vestigeal organ that can be removed without paying a price. It would help if you discussed the loss of functionality in removing the tail rotor i.e. the ability to hover, pirouette, do chandelles , any manouever that requires a dead stop in any orienation. and hovering the wind? come on! that is not what people mean when they talk about a machine being able to hover!
I didn't invent it to hover!!! But I can hover it and pirouette & do all the stuff you mentioned, that you say I cant. Why? Because I learned how and never gave up. The title has nothing to do with my success with this invention 25 years ago, which was only 50 years after conventional helicopters came on the scene in the 40's. It is lighter and way less complicated. It flies nice and fast too in no wind. It was a great toy at the time! That was the point in this simple piece of modeling history.
Microflite??? I have given you every opportunity to apologize to us. Unfortunately, your ignorance and arrogance has betrayed you. You don't need us, and we don't need you. Your comments have nothing to do with the design of this particular model. Goodbye.
You may not need any "stinking" tail rotor on your helicopter, but if you wish to use the very thing that makes a helicopter special, i.e. VTOL and hovering, then you do indeed need a tail rotor.
You also missed the point. This machine was not designed to Hover. I got paid well for inventing it to fly forward!! I have plenty of helicopters that have tail rotors. This designed for fun and it worked on only 2 channels, way better than havocs, reflexes and coaxials.
You say I have "missed your point", I wasn't aware you were trying to make a point. I wasn't knocking your design, good for you, it does what YOU intended it to do. I was just saying that IMHO, the most important part of a helicopter is it's ability to hover. Your model is like having a submarine that can only operate on the surface.
It will hover! Dont know what you guys are getting at. The point is, if you have an idea, follow through with it. I did, and got paid for my idea too! I want all to persue their ideas. Forget what it is called, because that is unimportant in the big picture as its now all 20 yr old stuff. See my video, "Will the Hyperfly hover"? And as you see, I can make it do everything, includng hover. It loops too. When the motor is off, theres no torque to worry about, so it auto rotates down fine.
I checked out your "will the Hyperfly hover" and you state that it will hover if there is a 5 knot wind, well I have a 4 ton Kingair that will hover if the wind is 105 knots. I'm not knocking your idea that you followed through with. I don't think you are getting my original point. Ah well, it dosen't matter. Congrats on your models and videos.
Thanks kindly. Our CH 46 helis would hover in less wind that that as I found out in the 33 years I spent in USMC aviation field. It also has no tail rotor. Here is the Websters dictionary description for a Helicopter. It says nothing about tail rotors or vertical take off.
1he·li·cop·ter : an aircraft whose lift is derived from the aerodynamic forces acting on one or more powered rotors turning about substantially vertical axes.
What it boils down to for me is this, the only reason a helicopter was invented, and the only reason helicopters are still manufactured are because they can hover and land/take off vertically. Helicopters cost many times more than a fixed wing aircraft and are very sophisticated and costly to fly due to the much higher maint requirments. The only reason to spend so much more on these is for one reason. Hover and VTOL.
Well again I invented a flying machine that was fun and needed way less parts as you say. IT was revolutionary at the time, featured in Aviation & Space Technology mag, is in use today in other RPVs by the Navy, and on Display at the San Diego aerospace museum. IT was cheaper too, because it only used 2 channels and no complicated costly tail rotor. It was all about making SOMETHING fly, as a model when electric helis were marginal. Sorry it doesnt match or live up to what you think you want.
Maybe some people might actually read the description to the right of the video too before trying to show how "smart" they are.
The dictionary confirms that a helicopter does not need to have a tailrotor to be called a helicopter, and the original helicopter was invented as a STOL, not a VTOL.
CH46 twin rotor Chinnook helis will fly fine without a tail rotor and so does the Russian Ka-50 attack coaxial helicopter.
Names have nothing to do with this video either! Thanks for the comment.
I did read the info to the right. I'm not trying to show how smart I am, I made a comment and you were unable to understand the point I was making, you still don't understand, I'm over it.
At least during the whole string of posts between myself and Nightflyyer, there was no insults or demeaning statements. You are obviuosly not capable of this, I am sorry for you. What has this dumbass done, 20 years in the military maintaining real aircraft, I have been an A & P IA for the last 10 years, I have held a pilots licence for the last 22 years, what about you??
perhaps you read the comment, but did not understand it?????? I told nightflyer that he was RIGHT in answering the guy the way he did. I liked his invention and was challenging the HATERS (not him) to come up with something better. It is really easy to criticize but really hard to actually DO something. Are you kidding me I like that helicopter with no tail rotor.
Look on the bright side, Dave. Out of the 90,000+ people that have watched this video, there's only one asshole who doesn't like the title. That's not a bad track record if you ask me. (You can delete this comment if you'd like. Wouldn't hurt my feelers none.)
Winston, Its pretty clear you have the intelligence of a baseball. Not to mention a foul mouth that needs washing out with soap. Perhaps your family had very close relations with close relations? I think its likely. The title of this thread is an insullt to the original designers of helicopters. Yes you do need a very clean smelling tail rotor for a helicopter to be a helicopter. And Wonston, please keep away from family gatherings eh ;-)
Ohh you're so funny mr microlabrat. So please enlighten us all and tell us what the title should be. If you look up the definition on 'helicopter', it mentions nothing about a tail rotor to stabilize the tail, but rather 'an aircraft without wings that obtains its lift from the rotation of overhead blades'.
Microflite??? I have given you every opportunity to apologize to us. Unfortunately, your ignorance and arrogance has betrayed you. You don't need us, and we don't need you. Your comments have nothing to do with the design of this particular model. Goodbye.
Your negative comments discourage people from trying something new because you argue success! You are also insulting Kyoshos, Hitec's, The Navy, The San Diego Aerospace Museum and my intelligence. The similar RPVs the Navy is using, catapults them off the ship. As long as they're moving,can carry lots of weight,etc. They didn't think this was a bad idea, as lots less parts.
You missed the point. There are needs for everyone, even if it is just for fun!
any standards, its simple, well known aerodynamics.
So dave is first to prove it in a model when helis were new and not super like today, and you act like "oh well" I could have done that! Kyoshoos like it enough, to buy the idea from him, so how come they didnt just do it themselves? Shame on you again.
what a bunch of wonderfully fans dave has I'm underwhelmed with ur lack of ability to discuss the issues and an apparent inability to keep from personal attacks. I was only reacting to the "No stinkng rotors" title. Stick to the point and explain why a helicopter doesn't need a stinkin tail rotor instead of attacking me. A helicopter without a way to counteract the main rotor torque is not a helicopter. It cant hover which is he main utility of a heli. Jeez stop talking rot guys and focus
Its pretty easy answer, as it doesn't need one to fly!
Also FUN to fly, LOOKs like a heli. Only 2
ch to fly. Cheap to make,those days.
There are no real Electric Helicopters! This is a model. Anybody who can design a new model, these days I commend, not putting down for showing ingenuity.
Airhogs makes notars. Guess you think those are ridiculous too! Russians make a real coaxial helicopter notar, but called a heli. You obviously didnt read Video description or watched the video responses.
oh man sitting back reading all the comments just make me fell like we are in kinder garden why?hey we all love to fly right? well there is always a bully that really don get the point of challenges and don't ever improve his way of life by being different with new brilliant ideas & simple ones like this! thinking out the BOX!!! Come on!!! probably like mention before by Mr Dave, ideas that shoot us out to SPACE!!! WOW!!! thats crazy lets just keep our feet on the ground. Thats witchcraft...
This ones for MR microflighte in Australia Dave is an absolute legend i havent seen a single thing he has shown to be wrong and im sure if you had half a clue ud know that. any way in Australia we have a name for people like microflighte (UR CALLED A WANKER ) keep up the great work dave love all the videos cant wait for the next one
Calm down, Yes I can fly pretty much anything including the hyperfly. I have one. I also have several patents. Even 20 yrs ago removing the tail rotor is not a revolutionary invention by any standards, its simple, well known aerodynamics. I was simply reacting to the title of the video. Yes, you need a stinking tail rotor to fly a heli. Else it flies like an airplane and cannot hover or slow down its forward speed which is he main point of the pain people took to develop helicopters.
@ Microflite, So lets see some videos of you flying just about anything... I can only assume by just about anything, you mean car hubcaps and sticks you throw for you're dog atm.
Shame on you. Im glad there arent a lot of people around like you who have a chip on their shoulder and refuse to give credit where credit is due. It is easy to say now, that this was simple aerodynamics, but I had the forward thinking to try it and make it fly. It is really fun to fly and can do all the things you say it wont, if you learn. It was so good that the Largest manufacturer of models in Japan (Kyosho) decided to manufacture it is even on display in the San Diego aerospace museum.
@ Microflite, so far pal, you are all mouth, no trousers. I've subscribed and learned alot from Nightflyyer, his videos have encouraged me to buy my own heli and learn to fly it. For that I'm very grateful to him, but for you to show such dis-respect at the age of 44, Well, I'd expect that from a pubescent rebellious teenager.
@ Microflite. No one said Dave's invention was revolutionary. But the fact is, he made it work when naysayers like you said it wouldnt. And no one in full scale or in rc has done it like this. Because something flies differently, doesnt make it wrong. Or else why did you buy one? If we didnt like a challenge once in awhile, we'd all be flying planes instead of rotary wing models. Dave has over 170 videos here, how many do you have? Subscribers? A little respect goes a long ways.
micro flight, i feel uncomfertable for you replying in such a bad mannor, the ETRM invention was supurb back in those days, you are a 44 year old man critisizing a 51 year old man's work, which was invented and coppied 30 years ago!
saying his invention "stinks" will not get you no where, i dont see you with any inventions, all us repliers are little biginner inventors, i wish to grow like Mr dave herbert and invent a new type of style helicopter, but just people like u would bring me down.
It isn't ridiculous at all for a rotary-winged aircraft to fly like a plane. The Autogyro is essentially like that and gets its lift from forward motion. Plus there are helicopters that don't use tail rotors such as multi-rotor helis(coaxial-rotors like Kamov KA-50, side-by-side like Kaman H-43 Huskie, etc.)& creative others like MD 500 series "NOTAR", etc., if that is your contention. Any machine that you could get to fly successfully is a great feat! Great on ya' sir Dave!
I feel saddened by your harsh comments on our dear Dave's video. For your information, Mr. Herbert is one of the most trusted and respected experts in the field of R/C flying. He's a kind and talented man who doesn't deserve nasty comments on his wonderful work.
Yes, I totally agree with imsofaman... NightFlyer IS the REAL DEAL!
i think micro flight is wrong saying that the bigest thing is that u enjoy what ure doin and dont let lazy asses like him to make up random excuses about nothing inportent i have only one thing to say and that is "GET A LIFE microflite"
Microflite, you have NO clue how much NightFlyyer has helped our hobby with his hard work and inventions. For a kid to walk in a store and buy the Hyperfly.....that is a future sale for a more complicated machine. NightFlyer has done a lot for our hobby and for you to call him rediculous.....is just ignorance on your part. On your page....I see no videos. Show us all the inventions you have made and send overseas!.....I didnt think so...LOL!!!
I agree with you Imsofaman.Dave has done a lot for the hobby. His night flying article inspired me to get our club to start night flying. I guess some people like the real world to work like a video game and hit the reset button when thing go bad.
He is not advocating that we heli modeler need to give up the tail rotor and no longer built tail rotors. It more an experiment and a new challenge to fly.
Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb many years ago, but I'll bet he didn't invent the fluorescent light bulb. My point is, things evolve. 20 years ago this was a small step for man, and a giant leap for mankind. Just because you think it's ridiculous, or CAN'T FLY IT, doesn't mean it's a ridiculous invention. Please leave your ridiculous comments on somebody's page that doesn't know what they're talking about. Thank you and have a nice day.
Microflite, we all look for fun in different ways, I personally think the challenge of flying without a tail rotor would be cool, that what separates an experienced RC pilot from a beginner who's just learning.
You are being ridiculous. This helicopter can do about anything a normal rc helicopter can do.
If its so ridiculous why did Kyosho manufacture it. At the time it was invented it was solving many problems like the overheating speed controls and lack of gyros.
Come on, Ridiculous? This was 20 years ago and after blowing up real gas model helis in the movies, I found out that I could land it like a plane and my friends could fly it in forward flight, because almost nobody can hover very well. Kyosho did not think it was ridiculous, as it was their number 1 selling model in history, + is being used right now for UAVs in the Military. Maybe you could tell them it is ridiculous too. See my video, will the Hyperfly hover! Thanks for everybody's support.
Microflite,Dave knows what he is doin. If kyosho thought it was ridiculous,then why did they produce it? Because they didn't think it was ridiculous. If dave wasn't around the wouldnt be much of night flying. The reason the hyperfly was invented was to help people who could fly planes but not helis.I would like to tell you to watch what you say and say it to someone who doesn't know what they are talking about instead of Dave who knows way more then you.
Hi dave, I was wondering if I put a pie plate on my heli (eagle 50 V2) would it work still?. I over heated my tail rotor and I just wanted to try this before I went out and bought a new tail rotor.
Yes, it will work. See my video, Hyperfly will it Hover? All you have to do is to know how to fly forward and land like an airplane on asphault. IF you dont know how to fly around with an rc airplane (the heli with the plastic picnic plate flies the same) then you may have trouble. Make sure you hand launch it good into forward flight, and keep the nose down, so you keep moving. If it starts spinning, then just slow the throttle down a bit. Good Luck
i really need help from you:) i got a problem with a small RC mini copter all the blades are spinning well it goes up and down but the problem is it is spinning around like crazy? how do i get control of it? Thanks;)
It depends on the heli. Does it have a tail rotor? Left tail rotor stick means left nose, not the tail, so make sure your going the right way. If it is a havoc, you have to push the trim button down till it stops spinning, (some times 50 times). That has to be done each flight, which is a pain.
Hello, I also wanted to ask you another question. I just watched ur Honeybee CCPM setup video. I have an Eagle 50 from Exceed and I want it to hover like the big ones do, i.e. smooth altitude change (Up and down). Just like the gas powered heli's. Basically i am wondering if the trim can be fined tuned ?
Hello, I am a newbie to RC helicopters and therefore do not know much about control circuits these aircrafts are equipped with. However I was very excited to see a video of you concept, as I was not aware that these kind of RC helicopters were available. I was wondering if you have looked into a locking tail rotor design which would lock in the vertical position and flatten out the pitch to act as a vertical tail in forward flight (perhaps its precceeded on the tail boom by a fixed wane)
Hi and thanks for the comment. I have a small helicopter that has a flat rotor on the back, but it cannot provide enough power to make it fly reliably in forward flight or to be able to stop it once it gets going. Steerable rotor heads (cyclic pitch) is way more efficient, so that is the norm, even on big helis. Good thinking, though and keep it up.
Hello, thank you for the reply. I was not talking about getting rid of the cyclic pitch input. I was merely referring to the use of a locking tail rotor, which operates when in hover and shuts off in Fwd flight and operaters like ur frisbee (essentially a vane). This way the power consumption is reduced by at least 25% or more for the total flight time. To help the tail rotor act as a van in fwd flight a fixed vane could preceed it on the tail boom. Pls let me know what you think.
That might work, but would require an extra servo and weight. This will fly a good 15 minutes on a charge. You still need the plate as a weather vane, as the prop locked would not be enough. It might look like the ROBOCOPTER TAIL, if I read you right. See my video on that one. Good thinking though, but just for flying around like this, I dont feel it needs to be that complicated. Maybe you could make one and try it. Make a video.
Hey Thanks, I will definetly try it, I am currently finishing up my graduate studies in rotorcraft engineering this august, but I will try to pick this hobby up again.
I have answered this a hundred times, I think, in the below comments, so here it is again. Yes is the answer, if you know how. All the later Hyperflys were fitted with speed controls, so parking it in a hover in a 5 knot or higher head wind was easy. It is a big weather vane, so the hover is as good as any other heli as I proved in show after show when we were introducing them years ago.
Thanks kindly. Hope you get involved. And when someone says it can't be done, do as I do and try anyway. Sometimes it works. People who say they don't work or blame the manufacturer when they crash are very shallow, because RC modeling takes some hand and eye coordination, but most importantly, knowing EXACTLY how and why something flies, before trying it themselves. People give themselves too much credit when it comes to RC and feel they could never crash cause they're good at computer games.
can you plz send me one of those small helicopters :( i always wanted one but i live in a small country that has nothing but stupid hotweel cars ub their toy stors
You look/sound familiar. Thinking we've met at one time. I own two Hyperflys, one was purchased a bunch of years ago when I repped for Kyosho/Great Planes. Didn't care for the whisker switch idea as it meant the landings were either forced down or unpredictable in location. A Kalt Whisper ESC was dropped in and made flying the 'Fly lots of fun. Could even ROG successfully once in a while. Please check my vids. Thanks!
Yes, I like the speed controls in mine too. Much more enjoyable, but Kyosho didnt want to spend the extra money as speed controls were expensive in those days, besides they liked my whisker. It took practice. I may have met you, because as the inventor,I went to a show in Las Vegas to demo it with Don Anderson and Dave Sproul. Maybe I met you there. Ill check your vids.
It is basically a weathervane. As long as the wind is blowing, it will hover (with a speed control on the motor) or fly forward and the tail will stay behind. When you shut the motor down, there is no torque, so it auto rotates. It was real easy to do lazy "s" turns in front of you, facing the wind.
Any chance you have dealt with RC helis that have the main rotor AND means of forward thrust( I forgot the type of real heli this is but it uses a jet turbine) w/o a tail rotor and the thrust gives directional. I worded that confusingly:A main rotor for up and down. And a prop/EDF for forward/backward/spin left and right
All my present helicopters are as you describe. See my latest flights and videos (even with cameras on board) of the Blade 400 heli. I have many helicopter videos in the helicopter group on my channel, so check some out.
Like I said, it does fine at hovering in a 5 Knot wind. It was not designed for hovering as most people cant hover one with a tail rotor. THis is for people who just wanted to fly....and 20 years ago, this was the best game in town, especially with Kyosho buying the rights and manufactureing it making it there most sold model in history.
I must be one of the 4%... never flown a real one, but with a lot of practice in RealFlight simulator I could mow the grass with a heli inverted. It was a lot of fun!
It may not be any of my bussiness but did you make a lot of money off of the hyperfly or are you just the mechanical genius I know you are and used that to your advantage to get a job like an engineer?
I made my fair share...for just trying something out of the ordinary and it worked. Things that people say won't work on paper, actually might. I was never afraid to try any of my wild ideas. In this case, it paid off.
that is very interesting. I will try that the next time I am at a picnic and i break my tail rotor on my helicopter. Also, before I was experimenting with the cheap 2 channel helicopter. It was a 2 channel Dragonfly helicopter. I was wondering, if the next time I encounter one of those heli's will it work on that heli? I tried to fix it for someone, but the heli doesn't have a trim and it just spins out of control during flight...
Thanks, yep, but you have to handlaunch it into forward flight and make a nice smooth sliding scraping landing like an airplane, but at least you may get some more flight out of it.
I never flew helis but I had a friend that dropped a bunch of money into one and never got off the ground.. I think i could have but I didn't want to risk wrecking his.
Thanks. Get a good RC simulator for the computer first to learn the controls, then go spend the bucks on a heli. Study my 9 heli tips, and remember crashing is a very important part of the learning curve. We all crash.
Actually I dropped 4000 in my whole airplane collection and have never wrecked one. I've never ever wrecked a car And I have a bunch of thoughs too(real ones not RC). All the old farts at the field used to get pissed off because I flying RC came natural to me. I used to flare my landings inches of the ground i was good. :)
Great. Helis are much different animals all toghether. Only 4% of the whole population who try to fly them actually can, including real pilots and good RC airplane pilots like you say you are.
I spent more that $4000 on Hospital bills just from the 4 broken bones in my right foot from a RC gas helicopter 30 years ago. But I never gave up but certainly gained respect for them.
And of course, learning to fly helis really good give nice bragging rights. Stay tuned for my next Blade 400 video.
this is pretty neat, i have an old FP heli like the one u used but I blew the tail rotor! Putting a round piece of card board would do the same thing?
Let me get it right, you always have to fly like a plane?
Yep, it will work. Wide open, hand launch it hard into forward flight and keep flying around till you want to land, but keep your speed up and come in like an airplane, scraping and sliding. I tried it with an old Broken Saber FP at first, because of the same reason...no tail. Well it worked and I became pretty good at it, thus saving the heli for a few more flights that would never of happened.
this is very cool and interesting! does this mean i can take a honey bee, take the tail motor and rotor out, and put a pie plate on it and it will fly? will it be able to vertical land, or land like a airplane? you made a very coll invention, and it definetly makes me want to do something like that. one question, have you ever built a helicopter out of whatever you had? if you did, can you tell me how? i would really be interested in building one myself.
Hi and thanks. Well the HB is similar to this. Any ETRM heli can be used. The only thing is that like in the video, you have to hand launch it into forward flight and land it like an airplane, moving forward. But if the wind is blowing pretty hard, it will hover, if you have a speed control. I built one out of plywood and stuff years ago, but believe me, you probably dont have the kind of stuff, like rotor blades or swashplates lying around to use. See my other vids for more on the Hyperfly.
That brings back a memory... In the mid 90's I saw a Kyosho hyperfly apache in a magazine and really wanted it! I saved up my pocket money and offered to put towards the apache as my birthday present. Then the chap in the modelshop said not to bother as it wasn't real helicopter? Perhaps not, but it was a great (and cheaper) way for a 12yr old to get enthused about the hobby. It's a shame I let that put me off, it looks a lot of fun! Thankyou for making the hobby accessable.
Thanks kindly for the comments. People who dont understand technology, always put down new ideas. But it still became the Number 1 selling model in Kyoshos history, because it was a flying model. It sure looked like a real heli in the air and at the time helis were new and everybody was craving, but only
4 % of people who try to learn rc helis ever do. It is difficult, no matter what. See my Blade 400 video for a more modern approach. Thanks for your support too.
I'm sure you've done some good for the industry and I know you've been around for some time, however I just can't see the benefit in trading off that much utility for a marginal increase in power efficiency.
Thanks. Back 23 years ago, it was to prove it could be done. My design is now being used as a military rpv. Forward flight is just the same, in fact no real difference, and because it does not rob any power to run the tail with a belt or a motor, it is fairly efficient. Not many people could hover helis in my group, so I designed something that model airplane people could fly around like an airplane in forward flight. I am quite aware of heli designs. See my Video on my latest Blade 5th flight.
1) Good modern RC Helis don't use a separate motor on the tail rotor. Only the cheaper ones do (Honeybee, Blade CP, etc). The reason is because you get much quicker response using collective on the tail and constant torque. Those little motors can't switch directions nearly fast enough to hold a solid heading much less handle hard 3D flight.
2) Many new belt and shaft drive systems for providing power to the tail rotor work very well. The old rubber-band looking belts are not used anymore.
4) Your design makes the heli more sensitive to wind.
5) What percentage of power is saved? I'd be curious to see a test where you fly the original honeybee and your modified one at the same speed for the same amount of time and then compared how much charge was left in the pack. My guess is that it's somewhat marginal.
Most of the time we do have wind, if you have seen any of my other 150 + videos on model helicopters from the beginnings to now.
I even used to slope soar the Hyperfly at the "Strands" in Dana Point California. Hardly used any battery! I proved all my ideas with pictures and videos, because there are always skeptics. My Hyperfly is on display in the San Diego Aerospace museum, was featured in Aviation Weekly, and was the #1 selling model in Kyosho's history. Lots of people liked it.
Come on! This heli is about a history lesson when helis were just coming of age! We all start somewhere, but in my case, I always proved my ideas to work or not. This worked, no matter how much you try to punch holes in it. I have other related videos on the subjects, you might want to check them out, before unloading.
I know the subject well, as I am also known as the inventor of the modern ETRM helicopter. (Oh, Electric Tail Rotor Motor). (see the vids.)
Right now, about 16....but over the years? Hah ha, way too many, as crashing is the accepted part of the learning curve and quite a few are now History!
Sorry, it is well published my work on etrms. The etrm was perfected by ALEXANDER VAN ROSTYENE IN BELGIUM and sold to Ikarus. (Picollo)
SHAME ON YOU.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
nice chopper :) and great control
aerovid 2 years ago
Thanks kindly.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
Wow if anyones in need of an essay on RC helicopters, there's one in the description :)
Teales 2 years ago 14
Thanks. It is for all those who think they know more than Webster. LOL
NightFlyyer 2 years ago 5
I am your fan!
marcolavalle 2 years ago 2
Your very kind.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
Air resistance. That's why you won't be able to hover. Not a good idea for fullsize applications. But who cares? You had a good idea and made lots of money. Great!
transdrole 2 years ago
It does hover very nicely, even in heavy winds if you learn how to fly, just like any thing, you have to learn the quirks.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
its simple common sence. the big flat paper tail acts like a huge rudder... which only works in flight. lets see a video of you hovering and and flying in other directions then see how much u dont need a tail rotor...
kdnjwest 2 years ago
Better watch my other videos, as you obviously missed the fact that I can really crank around with it in any direction, and even do loops and rolls. I even just made a video of it being launched off my catapult. It works very well for something 20 years ago.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
Wouldnt you lose hovering ability?
brianonymous 2 years ago
IT wasnt designed to hover, just fly, but will in a slight breeze if you learn how.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
I get it, I read your comments:)
808wiz 2 years ago
Sorry, without a tail rotor, you will never be able to preform 3D tricks as I do.
Your smile is really big, so it must be super fun though:)- it flies like a gyrocopter, yes?
808wiz 2 years ago
It will loop and roll. Thanks. Gyrocopters wont.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
just thinking, you just removed the tail rotor on a stock heli, and mounted a round piece of plastic and then you dont have to control yaw/rudder?
merc133 2 years ago
Yes
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
Great job! do you think that the real helicopter pilots know about this and in case of emergencies try to land it like a plane?
irusev 2 years ago
It wont work on a real helicopter, as there is no big surface back there, but the MD 500 Notar is the next best thing.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
good work man, without people like you things don't improve....
aidan517 2 years ago 20
Thanks very kindly. You never know unless you try...and I like to try.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
hey dave i know you must have like 50 ESKY flight simulaters can i have one il pay you for shipping pretty please :(
RcUniverseGuy 2 years ago
Why not just have 2 counter-rotating blades?
BiccusD 2 years ago
This was 20 years ago and they hadnt been invented yet. Besides, CR blades cannot handle winds like this. It was designed for rc airplane pilots that could fly helis without learning to hover, which most cannot.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
NightFlyyer,
I am interested in 3D aerobatics. Without tail rotor it's impossible. Guess our interests are just different :) I don't want just to fly. For that I can use airplane. I want to do some crazy stunts :)
syeager9 2 years ago
Yep I do plenty of that,but when helicopters had no gyros, and were new on the scene, many of my airplane friends wanted to fly my helicopters and could not and crashed MY helicopters. SO I invented this and they were happy. There was no 3d back then. Come on!
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
I understand need for that, but I fly heli only because of the challenges of its control. I got bored with airplanes.
syeager9 2 years ago
PS, I must have missed your 3d helicopter videos. Was hoping to see how you do.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
wow, so ehh.. you really invented the eletric tail rotor?!
kattejuice 2 years ago
I was First ever to be published worldwide with it, until someone else can prove otherwise.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
Again, I designed this to fly, not hover!
Folks are commenting on what a heli is, the title, & worried about a few words, vs what the video is about and what I successfully invented!
What the Hyperfly is called has nothing to do with the success I had with my invention. Its just a name folks! I can hover it in 5 kt winds seen in my other vid and also flies in 30 kt winds, which most of you would never attempt with any RC. It's too time consuming to answer all who are worried about what it is.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
wtless 3 years ago
I didn't invent it to hover!!! But I can hover it and pirouette & do all the stuff you mentioned, that you say I cant. Why? Because I learned how and never gave up. The title has nothing to do with my success with this invention 25 years ago, which was only 50 years after conventional helicopters came on the scene in the 40's. It is lighter and way less complicated. It flies nice and fast too in no wind. It was a great toy at the time! That was the point in this simple piece of modeling history.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Wow awesome invention, keep them coming! It reminds me of that contraption that leonardo DaVinci did without a tail rotor, but this one works?! lol.
jaysadie 3 years ago
Thanks very much. I am glad you approve.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Microflite??? I have given you every opportunity to apologize to us. Unfortunately, your ignorance and arrogance has betrayed you. You don't need us, and we don't need you. Your comments have nothing to do with the design of this particular model. Goodbye.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
You may not need any "stinking" tail rotor on your helicopter, but if you wish to use the very thing that makes a helicopter special, i.e. VTOL and hovering, then you do indeed need a tail rotor.
unapro3 3 years ago
You also missed the point. This machine was not designed to Hover. I got paid well for inventing it to fly forward!! I have plenty of helicopters that have tail rotors. This designed for fun and it worked on only 2 channels, way better than havocs, reflexes and coaxials.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
You say I have "missed your point", I wasn't aware you were trying to make a point. I wasn't knocking your design, good for you, it does what YOU intended it to do. I was just saying that IMHO, the most important part of a helicopter is it's ability to hover. Your model is like having a submarine that can only operate on the surface.
unapro3 3 years ago 2
It will hover! Dont know what you guys are getting at. The point is, if you have an idea, follow through with it. I did, and got paid for my idea too! I want all to persue their ideas. Forget what it is called, because that is unimportant in the big picture as its now all 20 yr old stuff. See my video, "Will the Hyperfly hover"? And as you see, I can make it do everything, includng hover. It loops too. When the motor is off, theres no torque to worry about, so it auto rotates down fine.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
I checked out your "will the Hyperfly hover" and you state that it will hover if there is a 5 knot wind, well I have a 4 ton Kingair that will hover if the wind is 105 knots. I'm not knocking your idea that you followed through with. I don't think you are getting my original point. Ah well, it dosen't matter. Congrats on your models and videos.
unapro3 3 years ago
Thanks kindly. Our CH 46 helis would hover in less wind that that as I found out in the 33 years I spent in USMC aviation field. It also has no tail rotor. Here is the Websters dictionary description for a Helicopter. It says nothing about tail rotors or vertical take off.
1he·li·cop·ter : an aircraft whose lift is derived from the aerodynamic forces acting on one or more powered rotors turning about substantially vertical axes.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
What it boils down to for me is this, the only reason a helicopter was invented, and the only reason helicopters are still manufactured are because they can hover and land/take off vertically. Helicopters cost many times more than a fixed wing aircraft and are very sophisticated and costly to fly due to the much higher maint requirments. The only reason to spend so much more on these is for one reason. Hover and VTOL.
unapro3 3 years ago
Well again I invented a flying machine that was fun and needed way less parts as you say. IT was revolutionary at the time, featured in Aviation & Space Technology mag, is in use today in other RPVs by the Navy, and on Display at the San Diego aerospace museum. IT was cheaper too, because it only used 2 channels and no complicated costly tail rotor. It was all about making SOMETHING fly, as a model when electric helis were marginal. Sorry it doesnt match or live up to what you think you want.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
well said nightflyyer, what has that dumbass done???? Crap! that's what .. so STFU
corduroy99 3 years ago
Maybe some people might actually read the description to the right of the video too before trying to show how "smart" they are.
The dictionary confirms that a helicopter does not need to have a tailrotor to be called a helicopter, and the original helicopter was invented as a STOL, not a VTOL.
CH46 twin rotor Chinnook helis will fly fine without a tail rotor and so does the Russian Ka-50 attack coaxial helicopter.
Names have nothing to do with this video either! Thanks for the comment.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
I did read the info to the right. I'm not trying to show how smart I am, I made a comment and you were unable to understand the point I was making, you still don't understand, I'm over it.
unapro3 3 years ago
At least during the whole string of posts between myself and Nightflyyer, there was no insults or demeaning statements. You are obviuosly not capable of this, I am sorry for you. What has this dumbass done, 20 years in the military maintaining real aircraft, I have been an A & P IA for the last 10 years, I have held a pilots licence for the last 22 years, what about you??
unapro3 3 years ago
perhaps you read the comment, but did not understand it?????? I told nightflyer that he was RIGHT in answering the guy the way he did. I liked his invention and was challenging the HATERS (not him) to come up with something better. It is really easy to criticize but really hard to actually DO something. Are you kidding me I like that helicopter with no tail rotor.
corduroy99 3 years ago 9
Look on the bright side, Dave. Out of the 90,000+ people that have watched this video, there's only one asshole who doesn't like the title. That's not a bad track record if you ask me. (You can delete this comment if you'd like. Wouldn't hurt my feelers none.)
Winston51249 3 years ago 3
microflite 3 years ago
Ohh you're so funny mr microlabrat. So please enlighten us all and tell us what the title should be. If you look up the definition on 'helicopter', it mentions nothing about a tail rotor to stabilize the tail, but rather 'an aircraft without wings that obtains its lift from the rotation of overhead blades'.
Winston51249 3 years ago
Microflite??? I have given you every opportunity to apologize to us. Unfortunately, your ignorance and arrogance has betrayed you. You don't need us, and we don't need you. Your comments have nothing to do with the design of this particular model. Goodbye.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
and oh ya. dave dude, no disrespect meant
at all, Wasnt commenting on you but on
the title of ur video..something the
cretins on this thread dont seem to get.
microflite 3 years ago
I think you do.
And the fact that I don't need a tail rotor doesn't mean YOU do!
And you obviously missed the "fun" point too. It was fun to fly and still is fun, if you know how.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
oh ya. hovering in the wind doesnt count.
Cant depend on a wind always.
and again, I didnt claim I could do anything.
Just that the title doesnt make any sense.
if it doesnt have a way to counteract
the main rotor torque, it aint a helicopter
microflite 3 years ago
I didn't make this machine to hover!
Your negative comments discourage people from trying something new because you argue success! You are also insulting Kyoshos, Hitec's, The Navy, The San Diego Aerospace Museum and my intelligence. The similar RPVs the Navy is using, catapults them off the ship. As long as they're moving,can carry lots of weight,etc. They didn't think this was a bad idea, as lots less parts.
You missed the point. There are needs for everyone, even if it is just for fun!
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
and to EyeLouis,
You idiot! I did not say I could do it
"after the fact". Can u read? If so go read
my original comment
microflite 3 years ago
Your very disrespectful. You (@microflite) said:
"Even 20 yrs ago removing the tail
rotor is not a revolutionary invention by
any standards, its simple, well known aerodynamics.
So dave is first to prove it in a model when helis were new and not super like today, and you act like "oh well" I could have done that! Kyoshoos like it enough, to buy the idea from him, so how come they didnt just do it themselves? Shame on you again.
EyeLouis 3 years ago
Yes I agree, I wish I had used a better
choice of words but I find the title
very misleading.
microflite 3 years ago
microflite 3 years ago
Its pretty easy answer, as it doesn't need one to fly!
Also FUN to fly, LOOKs like a heli. Only 2
ch to fly. Cheap to make,those days.
There are no real Electric Helicopters! This is a model. Anybody who can design a new model, these days I commend, not putting down for showing ingenuity.
Airhogs makes notars. Guess you think those are ridiculous too! Russians make a real coaxial helicopter notar, but called a heli. You obviously didnt read Video description or watched the video responses.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
oh man sitting back reading all the comments just make me fell like we are in kinder garden why?hey we all love to fly right? well there is always a bully that really don get the point of challenges and don't ever improve his way of life by being different with new brilliant ideas & simple ones like this! thinking out the BOX!!! Come on!!! probably like mention before by Mr Dave, ideas that shoot us out to SPACE!!! WOW!!! thats crazy lets just keep our feet on the ground. Thats witchcraft...
rifted 3 years ago 2
ya, really
SethstonFlyer 3 years ago
Micro flight is such a jerk
SethstonFlyer 3 years ago
This ones for MR microflighte in Australia Dave is an absolute legend i havent seen a single thing he has shown to be wrong and im sure if you had half a clue ud know that. any way in Australia we have a name for people like microflighte (UR CALLED A WANKER ) keep up the great work dave love all the videos cant wait for the next one
crakdaussie 3 years ago
microflite 3 years ago
@ Microflite, So lets see some videos of you flying just about anything... I can only assume by just about anything, you mean car hubcaps and sticks you throw for you're dog atm.
locouk 3 years ago
Shame on you. Im glad there arent a lot of people around like you who have a chip on their shoulder and refuse to give credit where credit is due. It is easy to say now, that this was simple aerodynamics, but I had the forward thinking to try it and make it fly. It is really fun to fly and can do all the things you say it wont, if you learn. It was so good that the Largest manufacturer of models in Japan (Kyosho) decided to manufacture it is even on display in the San Diego aerospace museum.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
@ Microflite, so far pal, you are all mouth, no trousers. I've subscribed and learned alot from Nightflyyer, his videos have encouraged me to buy my own heli and learn to fly it. For that I'm very grateful to him, but for you to show such dis-respect at the age of 44, Well, I'd expect that from a pubescent rebellious teenager.
locouk 3 years ago 3
No, you can do a nose in hover at the wind, and what the heck saying that dave is wrong man?
SethstonFlyer 3 years ago
@microflite (Above/below)
SethstonFlyer 3 years ago
OMG! Mircroflite has several patents. Oh then he must be right. I guess Im not as smart as MF because I only have one patent.
Yea right..... MF please stop feeding us your crap about needing a tail rotor. You go do your hobby and will go do ours.
captainjack63 3 years ago
@ Microflite. No one said Dave's invention was revolutionary. But the fact is, he made it work when naysayers like you said it wouldnt. And no one in full scale or in rc has done it like this. Because something flies differently, doesnt make it wrong. Or else why did you buy one? If we didnt like a challenge once in awhile, we'd all be flying planes instead of rotary wing models. Dave has over 170 videos here, how many do you have? Subscribers? A little respect goes a long ways.
Partok81 3 years ago 2
It is easy to say YOU could do something like Dave did, AFTER THE FACT!
Heck I could say I could have invented the Frisbee too after seeing how simple they are, but I never thought of it.
Shame on you microflite and hats off to you Dave.
EyeLouis 3 years ago
micro flight, i feel uncomfertable for you replying in such a bad mannor, the ETRM invention was supurb back in those days, you are a 44 year old man critisizing a 51 year old man's work, which was invented and coppied 30 years ago!
saying his invention "stinks" will not get you no where, i dont see you with any inventions, all us repliers are little biginner inventors, i wish to grow like Mr dave herbert and invent a new type of style helicopter, but just people like u would bring me down.
14cyproit14 3 years ago 2
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
It isn't ridiculous at all for a rotary-winged aircraft to fly like a plane. The Autogyro is essentially like that and gets its lift from forward motion. Plus there are helicopters that don't use tail rotors such as multi-rotor helis(coaxial-rotors like Kamov KA-50, side-by-side like Kaman H-43 Huskie, etc.)& creative others like MD 500 series "NOTAR", etc., if that is your contention. Any machine that you could get to fly successfully is a great feat! Great on ya' sir Dave!
delta4s 3 years ago 2
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
and microflite, he never told us to abandon tail rotors he was merely sharing and informing us of is idea.
forrest225 3 years ago 2
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Microflite,
Greetings of love and peace, my friend!
I feel saddened by your harsh comments on our dear Dave's video. For your information, Mr. Herbert is one of the most trusted and respected experts in the field of R/C flying. He's a kind and talented man who doesn't deserve nasty comments on his wonderful work.
Yes, I totally agree with imsofaman... NightFlyer IS the REAL DEAL!
MORE POWER TO YOU, DAVE!!!
tonypalis 3 years ago
Thanks Tony.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
i think micro flight is wrong saying that the bigest thing is that u enjoy what ure doin and dont let lazy asses like him to make up random excuses about nothing inportent i have only one thing to say and that is "GET A LIFE microflite"
i bet u cant do any better.
jambuttymegasize 3 years ago
Thanks
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Thats kinda ridiculous. you can only fly a
helicopter like an airplane without a tail
rotor. Why not get a plane? The reason we
fly helis is to hover, do dead stops,
pirouettes, 3d etc. It makes very little
sense to give up the tail rotor.
microflite 3 years ago
Not really, not all this technology existed back then. Let's see your skills flying a heli with no gyro.
the reason "we" fly anything is to have fun.
Sad part is you probably don't have the skills to fly a Hyperfly.
team222badbrad 3 years ago 2
Microflite, you have NO clue how much NightFlyyer has helped our hobby with his hard work and inventions. For a kid to walk in a store and buy the Hyperfly.....that is a future sale for a more complicated machine. NightFlyer has done a lot for our hobby and for you to call him rediculous.....is just ignorance on your part. On your page....I see no videos. Show us all the inventions you have made and send overseas!.....I didnt think so...LOL!!!
NightFlyyer is the REAL DEAL.....
imsofaman 3 years ago
I agree with you Imsofaman.Dave has done a lot for the hobby. His night flying article inspired me to get our club to start night flying. I guess some people like the real world to work like a video game and hit the reset button when thing go bad.
captainjack63 3 years ago
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
He is not advocating that we heli modeler need to give up the tail rotor and no longer built tail rotors. It more an experiment and a new challenge to fly.
captainjack63 3 years ago
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb many years ago, but I'll bet he didn't invent the fluorescent light bulb. My point is, things evolve. 20 years ago this was a small step for man, and a giant leap for mankind. Just because you think it's ridiculous, or CAN'T FLY IT, doesn't mean it's a ridiculous invention. Please leave your ridiculous comments on somebody's page that doesn't know what they're talking about. Thank you and have a nice day.
Winston51249 3 years ago 3
Thanks Jeff.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Microflite, we all look for fun in different ways, I personally think the challenge of flying without a tail rotor would be cool, that what separates an experienced RC pilot from a beginner who's just learning.
djemil5 3 years ago 2
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
You are being ridiculous. This helicopter can do about anything a normal rc helicopter can do.
If its so ridiculous why did Kyosho manufacture it. At the time it was invented it was solving many problems like the overheating speed controls and lack of gyros.
forrest225 3 years ago 2
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Come on, Ridiculous? This was 20 years ago and after blowing up real gas model helis in the movies, I found out that I could land it like a plane and my friends could fly it in forward flight, because almost nobody can hover very well. Kyosho did not think it was ridiculous, as it was their number 1 selling model in history, + is being used right now for UAVs in the Military. Maybe you could tell them it is ridiculous too. See my video, will the Hyperfly hover! Thanks for everybody's support.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Microflite,Dave knows what he is doin. If kyosho thought it was ridiculous,then why did they produce it? Because they didn't think it was ridiculous. If dave wasn't around the wouldnt be much of night flying. The reason the hyperfly was invented was to help people who could fly planes but not helis.I would like to tell you to watch what you say and say it to someone who doesn't know what they are talking about instead of Dave who knows way more then you.
helicopterkid1996 3 years ago 2
Hi dave, I was wondering if I put a pie plate on my heli (eagle 50 V2) would it work still?. I over heated my tail rotor and I just wanted to try this before I went out and bought a new tail rotor.
magicuke 3 years ago
Yes, it will work. See my video, Hyperfly will it Hover? All you have to do is to know how to fly forward and land like an airplane on asphault. IF you dont know how to fly around with an rc airplane (the heli with the plastic picnic plate flies the same) then you may have trouble. Make sure you hand launch it good into forward flight, and keep the nose down, so you keep moving. If it starts spinning, then just slow the throttle down a bit. Good Luck
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
i really need help from you:) i got a problem with a small RC mini copter all the blades are spinning well it goes up and down but the problem is it is spinning around like crazy? how do i get control of it? Thanks;)
Marig00o 3 years ago
It depends on the heli. Does it have a tail rotor? Left tail rotor stick means left nose, not the tail, so make sure your going the right way. If it is a havoc, you have to push the trim button down till it stops spinning, (some times 50 times). That has to be done each flight, which is a pain.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Ohh okay:) cus i trimmed it one time and i tought i was enough well thanks;)
Marig00o 3 years ago
Hello, I also wanted to ask you another question. I just watched ur Honeybee CCPM setup video. I have an Eagle 50 from Exceed and I want it to hover like the big ones do, i.e. smooth altitude change (Up and down). Just like the gas powered heli's. Basically i am wondering if the trim can be fined tuned ?
mistrymp 3 years ago
Trims can be fine tuned from the trim levers on the transmitter especially on computer radios.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Hello, I am a newbie to RC helicopters and therefore do not know much about control circuits these aircrafts are equipped with. However I was very excited to see a video of you concept, as I was not aware that these kind of RC helicopters were available. I was wondering if you have looked into a locking tail rotor design which would lock in the vertical position and flatten out the pitch to act as a vertical tail in forward flight (perhaps its precceeded on the tail boom by a fixed wane)
mistrymp 3 years ago
Hi and thanks for the comment. I have a small helicopter that has a flat rotor on the back, but it cannot provide enough power to make it fly reliably in forward flight or to be able to stop it once it gets going. Steerable rotor heads (cyclic pitch) is way more efficient, so that is the norm, even on big helis. Good thinking, though and keep it up.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Hello, thank you for the reply. I was not talking about getting rid of the cyclic pitch input. I was merely referring to the use of a locking tail rotor, which operates when in hover and shuts off in Fwd flight and operaters like ur frisbee (essentially a vane). This way the power consumption is reduced by at least 25% or more for the total flight time. To help the tail rotor act as a van in fwd flight a fixed vane could preceed it on the tail boom. Pls let me know what you think.
mistrymp 3 years ago
That might work, but would require an extra servo and weight. This will fly a good 15 minutes on a charge. You still need the plate as a weather vane, as the prop locked would not be enough. It might look like the ROBOCOPTER TAIL, if I read you right. See my video on that one. Good thinking though, but just for flying around like this, I dont feel it needs to be that complicated. Maybe you could make one and try it. Make a video.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Hey Thanks, I will definetly try it, I am currently finishing up my graduate studies in rotorcraft engineering this august, but I will try to pick this hobby up again.
mistrymp 3 years ago
Thanks for the response and happy flying!
etorrestube 3 years ago
Your welcome. 'm going to make a video of it hovering soon. Stay tuned.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
HMMM; It´s pretty interesting... but can your choppers hover?
etorrestube 3 years ago
I have answered this a hundred times, I think, in the below comments, so here it is again. Yes is the answer, if you know how. All the later Hyperflys were fitted with speed controls, so parking it in a hover in a 5 knot or higher head wind was easy. It is a big weather vane, so the hover is as good as any other heli as I proved in show after show when we were introducing them years ago.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
lot of stinking "snakes" in the grass...were you compensated for your idea?
XRayCam 3 years ago
Yes, thanks to Aki Suzuki (Kyosho CEO) and Chun Park (Hitec CEO).
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
i like ur hobby :D i like flying stuf and stuff that moves to so yeh and i like ur vids :D
strpoop 3 years ago
Thanks kindly. Hope you get involved. And when someone says it can't be done, do as I do and try anyway. Sometimes it works. People who say they don't work or blame the manufacturer when they crash are very shallow, because RC modeling takes some hand and eye coordination, but most importantly, knowing EXACTLY how and why something flies, before trying it themselves. People give themselves too much credit when it comes to RC and feel they could never crash cause they're good at computer games.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
was your idea patented my friend before kyosho implemented it?
maydayfire 3 years ago
No. I sold the idea to Kyosho, and they patented it.
They were very gracious and reputable and did not steal my idea, like what happened with my etrm invention, now on many helis.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
can you plz send me one of those small helicopters :( i always wanted one but i live in a small country that has nothing but stupid hotweel cars ub their toy stors
RussianNote 3 years ago
I don't sell them. You should be able to order them on line, however. Try searching
hobbyshopguide for your country.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
lol thats the whole point lol i dont HAVE any in my stupid country ...GOD DAM IT :((((
RussianNote 3 years ago
he meant order online
RacerLamboMurcie18 3 years ago
chill dude. search for an online store that ships internationally.
no need to curse either
forrest225 3 years ago
Hi,
You look/sound familiar. Thinking we've met at one time. I own two Hyperflys, one was purchased a bunch of years ago when I repped for Kyosho/Great Planes. Didn't care for the whisker switch idea as it meant the landings were either forced down or unpredictable in location. A Kalt Whisper ESC was dropped in and made flying the 'Fly lots of fun. Could even ROG successfully once in a while. Please check my vids. Thanks!
StormyMaxPerry 3 years ago
Yes, I like the speed controls in mine too. Much more enjoyable, but Kyosho didnt want to spend the extra money as speed controls were expensive in those days, besides they liked my whisker. It took practice. I may have met you, because as the inventor,I went to a show in Las Vegas to demo it with Don Anderson and Dave Sproul. Maybe I met you there. Ill check your vids.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Two questions: Whats stopping the motors torque? And giving you spin-tail?
- Four_Channel Heli Pilot
ThaFox26 3 years ago
It is basically a weathervane. As long as the wind is blowing, it will hover (with a speed control on the motor) or fly forward and the tail will stay behind. When you shut the motor down, there is no torque, so it auto rotates. It was real easy to do lazy "s" turns in front of you, facing the wind.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
OK. Makes sense now and amazing job on all your videos.
ThaFox26 3 years ago
Thanks kindly.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Any chance you have dealt with RC helis that have the main rotor AND means of forward thrust( I forgot the type of real heli this is but it uses a jet turbine) w/o a tail rotor and the thrust gives directional. I worded that confusingly:A main rotor for up and down. And a prop/EDF for forward/backward/spin left and right
ThaFox26 3 years ago
All my present helicopters are as you describe. See my latest flights and videos (even with cameras on board) of the Blade 400 heli. I have many helicopter videos in the helicopter group on my channel, so check some out.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
OK I will, Thank you.
ThaFox26 3 years ago
So essentially your making an autogyro? Its really cool. Thanks for the great videos Dave!
LilPiperProductions 3 years ago
Ha ha. Sort of like that, except the rotor blades are not powered on an autogyro and this is. It is more like a flying weathervane!
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Funny has heck! but sheer Seventies Genius lol.
sure miss those days!
BigRickSharpe 3 years ago
Thanks very kindly...
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Try hovering without a tailrotor.
youtooobie 3 years ago 2
Like I said, it does fine at hovering in a 5 Knot wind. It was not designed for hovering as most people cant hover one with a tail rotor. THis is for people who just wanted to fly....and 20 years ago, this was the best game in town, especially with Kyosho buying the rights and manufactureing it making it there most sold model in history.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
cycling magician,did u put a pie plate on
the dragonfly heli?
Pacfan98 3 years ago
I must be one of the 4%... never flown a real one, but with a lot of practice in RealFlight simulator I could mow the grass with a heli inverted. It was a lot of fun!
tjwright 3 years ago
Great, Put up a video.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
I have a super cub and i'm saving up to get a blade cx2. I have 70 I think.
cokeyourcola 3 years ago
holy shit u have the most awesome "toys"
liamurphy62 3 years ago
Ha ha. Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
It may not be any of my bussiness but did you make a lot of money off of the hyperfly or are you just the mechanical genius I know you are and used that to your advantage to get a job like an engineer?
cokeyourcola 3 years ago
I made my fair share...for just trying something out of the ordinary and it worked. Things that people say won't work on paper, actually might. I was never afraid to try any of my wild ideas. In this case, it paid off.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
that is very interesting. I will try that the next time I am at a picnic and i break my tail rotor on my helicopter. Also, before I was experimenting with the cheap 2 channel helicopter. It was a 2 channel Dragonfly helicopter. I was wondering, if the next time I encounter one of those heli's will it work on that heli? I tried to fix it for someone, but the heli doesn't have a trim and it just spins out of control during flight...
CyclingMagician 3 years ago
Thanks, yep, but you have to handlaunch it into forward flight and make a nice smooth sliding scraping landing like an airplane, but at least you may get some more flight out of it.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
that's pretty cool.
I never flew helis but I had a friend that dropped a bunch of money into one and never got off the ground.. I think i could have but I didn't want to risk wrecking his.
Cthrilla 3 years ago
Thanks. Get a good RC simulator for the computer first to learn the controls, then go spend the bucks on a heli. Study my 9 heli tips, and remember crashing is a very important part of the learning curve. We all crash.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Actually I dropped 4000 in my whole airplane collection and have never wrecked one. I've never ever wrecked a car And I have a bunch of thoughs too(real ones not RC). All the old farts at the field used to get pissed off because I flying RC came natural to me. I used to flare my landings inches of the ground i was good. :)
I had 7 planes. sold them all to race cars.
Cthrilla 3 years ago
Great. Helis are much different animals all toghether. Only 4% of the whole population who try to fly them actually can, including real pilots and good RC airplane pilots like you say you are.
I spent more that $4000 on Hospital bills just from the 4 broken bones in my right foot from a RC gas helicopter 30 years ago. But I never gave up but certainly gained respect for them.
And of course, learning to fly helis really good give nice bragging rights. Stay tuned for my next Blade 400 video.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
this is pretty neat, i have an old FP heli like the one u used but I blew the tail rotor! Putting a round piece of card board would do the same thing?
Let me get it right, you always have to fly like a plane?
Cool
jasondf 3 years ago
Yep, it will work. Wide open, hand launch it hard into forward flight and keep flying around till you want to land, but keep your speed up and come in like an airplane, scraping and sliding. I tried it with an old Broken Saber FP at first, because of the same reason...no tail. Well it worked and I became pretty good at it, thus saving the heli for a few more flights that would never of happened.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
this is very cool and interesting! does this mean i can take a honey bee, take the tail motor and rotor out, and put a pie plate on it and it will fly? will it be able to vertical land, or land like a airplane? you made a very coll invention, and it definetly makes me want to do something like that. one question, have you ever built a helicopter out of whatever you had? if you did, can you tell me how? i would really be interested in building one myself.
jamiekenta 3 years ago
Hi and thanks. Well the HB is similar to this. Any ETRM heli can be used. The only thing is that like in the video, you have to hand launch it into forward flight and land it like an airplane, moving forward. But if the wind is blowing pretty hard, it will hover, if you have a speed control. I built one out of plywood and stuff years ago, but believe me, you probably dont have the kind of stuff, like rotor blades or swashplates lying around to use. See my other vids for more on the Hyperfly.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
That brings back a memory... In the mid 90's I saw a Kyosho hyperfly apache in a magazine and really wanted it! I saved up my pocket money and offered to put towards the apache as my birthday present. Then the chap in the modelshop said not to bother as it wasn't real helicopter? Perhaps not, but it was a great (and cheaper) way for a 12yr old to get enthused about the hobby. It's a shame I let that put me off, it looks a lot of fun! Thankyou for making the hobby accessable.
speed0torque 3 years ago
Thanks kindly for the comments. People who dont understand technology, always put down new ideas. But it still became the Number 1 selling model in Kyoshos history, because it was a flying model. It sure looked like a real heli in the air and at the time helis were new and everybody was craving, but only
4 % of people who try to learn rc helis ever do. It is difficult, no matter what. See my Blade 400 video for a more modern approach. Thanks for your support too.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
I'm sure you've done some good for the industry and I know you've been around for some time, however I just can't see the benefit in trading off that much utility for a marginal increase in power efficiency.
I did enjoy your gallery of old helis, though.
rbgrn4real 3 years ago
Thanks. Back 23 years ago, it was to prove it could be done. My design is now being used as a military rpv. Forward flight is just the same, in fact no real difference, and because it does not rob any power to run the tail with a belt or a motor, it is fairly efficient. Not many people could hover helis in my group, so I designed something that model airplane people could fly around like an airplane in forward flight. I am quite aware of heli designs. See my Video on my latest Blade 5th flight.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
1) Good modern RC Helis don't use a separate motor on the tail rotor. Only the cheaper ones do (Honeybee, Blade CP, etc). The reason is because you get much quicker response using collective on the tail and constant torque. Those little motors can't switch directions nearly fast enough to hold a solid heading much less handle hard 3D flight.
2) Many new belt and shaft drive systems for providing power to the tail rotor work very well. The old rubber-band looking belts are not used anymore.
rbgrn4real 3 years ago
3) Your design can not hover.
4) Your design makes the heli more sensitive to wind.
5) What percentage of power is saved? I'd be curious to see a test where you fly the original honeybee and your modified one at the same speed for the same amount of time and then compared how much charge was left in the pack. My guess is that it's somewhat marginal.
rbgrn4real 3 years ago
The Hyperfly with a Speed control, easily hovered in any 5 knot or higher winds and hundreds of people have watched me do it.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
that's good if you've always got a 5 knot wind, I guess.
rbgrn4real 3 years ago
Most of the time we do have wind, if you have seen any of my other 150 + videos on model helicopters from the beginnings to now.
I even used to slope soar the Hyperfly at the "Strands" in Dana Point California. Hardly used any battery! I proved all my ideas with pictures and videos, because there are always skeptics. My Hyperfly is on display in the San Diego Aerospace museum, was featured in Aviation Weekly, and was the #1 selling model in Kyosho's history. Lots of people liked it.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Come on! This heli is about a history lesson when helis were just coming of age! We all start somewhere, but in my case, I always proved my ideas to work or not. This worked, no matter how much you try to punch holes in it. I have other related videos on the subjects, you might want to check them out, before unloading.
I know the subject well, as I am also known as the inventor of the modern ETRM helicopter. (Oh, Electric Tail Rotor Motor). (see the vids.)
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
ya i got a really nice Heli it was like 200 bucks im trying to get rid of it works fine needs a landing rail thing let me know if u want it
SimplyAfro 3 years ago
Well I have a few already, but what is your deal?
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
How many Helicopters has you?
InfernoMP75 3 years ago
Right now, about 16....but over the years? Hah ha, way too many, as crashing is the accepted part of the learning curve and quite a few are now History!
NightFlyyer 3 years ago