Gwen's mass (from “Spider-Man: Marvel Encyclopedia”) is given as 130Ibs. Which converts to 58.76Kg. Tower Height of Brooklyn Bridge is given as 84.2772m
Height of Road is given as 36.2712m (assuming she falls from the top to about road height)
Fall is 48.006m, a=9.8m/s, u=0. Therefore v^2=u^2 +2as gives v=30.67m/s, We've seen from comics that spidey's web has elasticity, assuming he built it to spider specifications, that gives at LEAST a 30% increase in length. This would give (cont'd)
A deceleration of 32.66142m/s/s hence Gwen decelerates at this, which is equal to 3.33G. Skydivers etc experience this force, hence it's safe enough that it wouldn't have killed her. His web could have more elasticity, which would just lessen the force, but assuming that it has the least elasticity of a spider web, the deceleration would not have killed her. Hence, Gwen Stacy should still be alive today. I had to come up with this and present it at University, they said it was all accurate.
Gerry Conway, the writer of that story said in Marvel Masterworks vol 13 that, once and for all, he intended for her neck to have been broken. He said the point was that it was a no win scenario and sometimes bad things happen.
@fightnight909 Gerry Conway, the writer of that story thought it would have much more power if spider-man had inadvertantly caused her death. He wrote about the whole issue in Marvel Masterworks amazing spider-man vol 13. It fit right in with the guilt spidey carries for his uncle's death as well.
What this misses is the point at which the force was applied...namely her leg. So rather than snapping her neck it would actually have torn her leg off.
@Morpheus0000 due to inertia, her head would tend to keep going down while the rest of the body gets pulled up. The neck is weaker than the hips so all the force would keep going to the neck instead of breaking the body at the hips.
Her head doesn't have inertia independent of the whole body. The point at which it breaks would be the weakest point closest to the point of the opposing force. The mechanics are complex, but a simple demonstration will suffice: lie on the floor and get a friend to pull hard and fast and your lower leg (it could be the start of something beautiful): at what joint will you feel the stress? A: the knee, not the neck. If Spidey's web caught her lower leg, watch that knee snap!
@Morpheus0000 mmm, wrong. An 8 year old girl was decapitated in a car accident because her seatbelt kept her torso in place but not her head. real life.
@pinkie919 Reference? Even if this occurred (unlikely) it actually proves the point i made. Only where the body is the point of the retardation would neck injuries occur.
@pinkie919 A nonsensical argument. There are many body parts which can move independently in this respect, e.g.fingers, arms, eyebrows etc. Doesn't follow that they'll detach themselves in this scenario. The point of failure is a combination of the magnitude of the force acting and the relative strength of each point. More stress is placed on the knee joint due to the weight of the entire body as opposed to the neck (just the head). The body rips off at the knee under that sort of force.
@justinxish Gwen was unconscious from the start. She was killed when Spidey's webbing broke her fall and her neck simultaneously, while she was unconscious.
This is funny, if he can teach the Goblin to rethink if the fall killed her or not lol. Wow so Marvel went back after reading his report on Newton's law of gravity published as a solution to Wizard's open question - only to "fix" their mistake of having the Goblin say that it was the fall that killed her. It's fine that the Goblin's wish-washy, I mean he is a psychopath, but Marvel should have known this, they wrote the damn events they should know what happened.
Stop fighting with people because they have different opinions, we know you want to pretend to be superior to others, but you could at least show some courtesy.
P.S. Wind resistance is negligible in most examples and the force would still be immense when the minimal wind resistance is factored in. This guy in the video has a college degree in physics and is a professor, he would understand and research his topics for his book...
P.S.S. The point where the web caught her was near the
The worst thing about this lecture is that he's teaching people something that Mr. Science Major Peter Parker should have known in the first place but something the writer of the book likely didn't know.
I think the same way, but I end up making batman, superman, hulk and sentry fans mad when I say they shouldn't be able to grab black holes, lift planets, and stop antimatter, no one seems to put limits on characters.
This shows how nefarious Green Goblin (Norman Osborne) is. He screws Gwen while she's dating Peter, get's her pregnant, and on top of that tells her kids that Spider Man killed their mother.
Green Goblin should have been in the top 10 for IGN's 100 super villains. oh well their loss for putting Catwoman ahead of the nefarious Green Goblin.
@Truegho I haerd that Stan Lee was forced to kill off an important character, to apparently create more conflict. Why he they chose Gwen, I don't know?
That has to be the funniest physics lecture I've seen, and in particular, the funniest explanation about p.
Man, the Marvel Universe is a convenient but harsh place. When a relationship is going nowhere, nobody has to get dumped for no real fault, instead, I get to be a tragic hero after a super-villain cleans up my life.
gross.. first of all, so maybe they'll have more money, but what the hell, such a nerdy thing to think that all the people that got life (non-nerds), will be homeless miserable people that wish they were nerds..
secondly, even with much more money, most of them are just missing some of the greatest periods of life.. studying instead of having fun.. definitely prefer to enjoy life, as long i have where to sleep and what to eat, and i will.
@ItayROFL You can have fun and be a nerd. I'm not a very happy person, but that's not because I'm a nerd, but because I look at every single statement or action and analyze it and determine how this affects society, the economy, the environment, and other factors, or determine how it would affect those factors if it were on a larger scale.
@ItayROFL Not all non-nerds will be homeless, however the anti-nerds will likely become homeless or in a low class in society. And you said that popular kids have fun while nerds don't. I've been among popular kids once, and I can safely say it is not fun. As a nerd, you can say whatever the hell you want without your friends condemning you, while popular kids can't say certain things without their so-called "friends" scalding them because their statement didn't conform to social norms.
@HANK0000 well dahh, that's how they behave with nerds, which are not necessarily their real friends (and for the record, that really is disgusting behavior of them), but their real friends they, most usually, never humiliate for real...
anyway popular kids can be really disgusting to others (though not all of popular kids!), and that's really horrible arrogant behavior, but i still hate that nerds thinks after high school they'll rule the world, and popular kids will be their slaves.
@ItayROFL And being a nerd could be even better if popular kids weren't such dicks to nerds during school. Too bad they suck up to nerds later because they work for them.
Hmm. which basically begs the question, why don't bungie jumpers keep snapping their necks when doing their thing? Same kind of change in momentum, really.
It probably has something to do with the bungy cord stretching, which slows down their descent causing less force or something? Don't quote me, I'm no physics expert
I know nothing about physics, but I presume that Spidey's web could have attached to Gwen's body in a place different from that of the safe bungee cords. I'm sure the point of contact of the cord influences how much whiplash one would experience.
A bungee cord acts upon the bungee jumper's momentum over a longer period of time, first reducing the jumper's acceleration, gradually decelerating until the cord's tension overcomes the force of gravity on the jumper's body and springs the jumper back up.
If the deceleration in bungee jumping occurs within roughly 2 seconds, compared to Spider-Man saving Gwen, four times more time, wouldn't that be four times less force? If following the above parameters...
And I know I'm not much of a Spider-Man fan but I always assumed his webbing had a reasonable amount of elasticity... wouldn't it have enough elasticity to lengthen the time taken to stop Gwen's fall?
(Of course ignoring other factors - I know not exactly how much time and distance Spider-Man had in order to save Gwen, so it may be a moot point if he had ONLY that 1/2 sec and corresponding distance to stop her fall before she went splat. He DID mention he caught her at the last moment...)
The following extract appeared in The Spiders Web, Amazing Spider-man #125, October 1973. In this readers letter section, Marvel explains the reasons for Gwen Stacys death. I hope you appreciate my contribution.
A sampling of the maddening wide spectrum of response to the death of Gwen Stacy in SPIDER-MAN #121. At this point, we feel obliged to take a paragraph or two to explain a few points of contention: (continued)
First, for the many who wrote and complained that the fall alone could not have killed Gwen if she were unconscious (and therefore unable to be scared to death, the usual explanation for a person dying before hitting the ground), it saddens us to have to say that the whiplash effect she underwent when Spideys webbing stopped her so suddenly was, in fact, what killed her.
In short, it was impossible for Peter to save her. He couldnt have swung down in time; the action he did take resulted in her death; if he had done nothing, she still would certainly have perished. There was no way out. Secondly, the why of it all. We gotta be honest and admit that it wasnt Gerrys idea alone. Gerry (Gerry Conway, writer) had been reading over the past few years issues and had come to the conclusion that something was wrong -or, more accurately, missing.
The relationship between Pete and Gwen had been through a lot of inconsequential ups and downs, and unless the two were to be married, there was nowhere else to take it. But marriage seemed wrong, too. Peter just wasnt ready. So Gerry, Roy (Roy Thomas, editor) and Stan (Stan Lee, of course) debated the question long and hardand it turned out that all had reached the same inescapable conclusion.
Gwens death was simply fated to happen. Weve said before that our stories just seem to write themselves, that we often dont have any control over them. This was such a case. Events had shaped themselves in such a way that the only logical resolution was tragedy. Only the inscrutable, inexorable workings of circumstances are culpable this time. And no one regrets it more than we. It was a hard, hard story to write. Nuff said!
Okay so i wrote a comment that was totally off, deleted it. They actually bring up the Ramos comic where goblin reveals his side of what happened and it wasn't what i thought it was.
If people want science, they read Nature. If they want pseudoscience, they read government reports. If they want to suspend disbelief for the sheer enjoyment of it, they read comic books.
No, I don't. I certainly wouldn't have enoyed being told as a kid that Superman never could have done this or that because of such and such a reason. Any kid knows Superman isn't real. Comic books are meant to stimulate creativity and imagination, not to be used as tools to project reality.
Now, I'm all for comics being used in applied methods of teaching, but it would be more effective if a comic series designed for that purpose was used.
You must have totally misunderstood what he was doing from this statement "told as a kid that Superman never could have done this or that because of such and such a reason".
Early in the video he says he suspends rules of physics on the hero for the purpose of creating problems to solve. They act as variable X which necessarily has to behave in a certain way for the scene to look the way it did if the hero is the only object with suspended rules or properties.
The problem needed to be solved is the question as to why anything in comic books needs to be outlined and explained by science. Some things are just not in need of such scrutiny.
For this example, I understand the conservation of momentum, and have since I studied physics in school, but this understanding doesn't enhance or negate my enjoyment of comic books. It's a non-issue.
Its good for Superman and kids if it is explained why Superman is impossible. If Superman could be totally explained by fact, then he wouldn't be super.
You're misunderstanding me. The maths behind how much force superman would have to exert to go X distance if he is M mass doesn't demystify the source of his powers at all.
It is merely a playful framework for setting up problems which are traditionally filled with ball bearings and string and ramps and such.
hahaha that was soo fucking funny but veryy informational.. I enjoy understanding how science is applied to superheroes or just plain people with powers
umm guess what... they do get it right sometimes.... there was a comic about Superman I think or some super hero who where they introduced this evil master plan to blow up some shit.... by splitting the atom!! and from there some people working for the government asked the guy to not publish that because at the time they were actually testing the splitting of the atom under a top secret category. So, that guy is really hella creatively intelligent or he had this wild imagination.. yep
Regarding the atom, it was split by Otto Hahn on December 17, 1938. Superman was introduced in Action Comics 1 in June of '38. I don't recall any Superman story involving splitting the atom between June and December '38 (I'll read them all again though), so I'm sure which story you're referring to.
well Im uncertain of which superhero it was because I do not read comics since Im practically just pasted on the computer.... darn dreaded beautiful computer filled with the vast information of the world and its lies!!.... so yeah... so dont take my word.. it was something on television that I watched a long time ago when I used to watch television...
well its okay if you do not change your opinion... I don't really care... its just what I get interested in... I dont read the comics.
or they may have actually removed it... that may be the case because of that incident... haha I forgot that I had talked about that. but yeah... idk what show I watched that said something like that.
Yes, I saw Watchmen. It was horrible. You've read Watchmen, right? It's excellent.
I'll watch The Science of Watchmen on your recommedation, but it's likely not to change my opinion on Kakalios or his ridiculous take on comic book fiction.
Actually, it is the weight of her head, and not her body, that produces the force that supposedly killed her. That means either her neck is very weak or her head is very heavy.
Another point to note is that spiderman's web is not a stiff element, it has some modulus of elasticity (E), which should not have an immediately jerky reaction to sudden tensile force, but rather an elastic reaction to the applied tension.
He didn't catch her IN a web. He used his web to stick to her. That would mean there would be a sudden stop because of how fast she is falling down.
He would've had to use a lot of force to make sure that he doesn't fall with her. Meaning, two forces are working against her. While she was caught by Spidey, he would've had to pull her back up. And that's what would've made her snap her neck.
If anything shoulg have broke, it would have been her ankles, since that was the weakest joint supporting her body weight. The only thing her neck supports is her head, which isn't heavy enough to cause her neck to snap.
And by the way, whooever put a thumbdown on my first comment doesn't know a thing about human body mechanics.
I would say that heads are heavy enough to snap necks. Such in the cases of car accidents. Rear ended car accidents. I would agree that, in cases of car accidents, it would not mean an automatic death to the victim. However, the neck can still be broken.
Now car accidents are a different story. In that case, the force on the neck is perpendicular, so the neck is a cantilevered component, which is a more vulnerable position. The neck is stronger if the force acting upon it is in the same direction.
lol's to be honest she had 95% chance of survival given that with the odds of whiplash and the fall her death was iminent the only way she coulda survived is if spidey somehow master the ability of lightspeed and caught her himself.
I don't believe hes putting the elasticity of Spiderman's web into the equation.. he's making the assumption that Spiderman would ave been grounded in one spot and not be affected at the point the web had caught Gwen Stacey.. each time he springs a web Spiderman is brought back up again not due to the swinging motion of the web alone but also the flex in the web too..the time entered into this equation is wrong. it should be over 2 seconds atleast :D
I never said anything about his jokes, but getting the basics wrong is not a joke, especially for a university professor. Why is my comment poor? Am I wrong?
maybe he should also reference the 90's period of spiderman, where it was the clone parts and ben reilly (peter's clone that actually lived and had no deformity), saves some random girl who falls from the same bridge and he mentions how he was wrong when he had attempted to saved save gwen stacy, and in fact uses an arc to successfully divert the girls mass back upward, how correct this is, idk, I was very spacey in my physics course, but he should still reference it
omg...this guy is awesome....i would of never understood that if some smart ass know it all would of explaned it too me...not just the superhero situation but his way of explaning his theory has now educated me for 5 mins...i learned at least 3 things from that video in a space of 5 mins....how is that possible when i go through 1-2 hour lectures at uni and don't get squat !
For the record, anyone who can read your words, mateo88990, already has a life. Some prefer to utilize a small portion of their lives annoying others. You can of course do what you want, but don't expect the rest of us to take you very seriously if you're going to go around telling people to get something they obviously already have.
that's what parker gets for studying chemistry instead of physics.
you think he'd have known about conservation of momentum, though. maybe he was planning on breaking up with her anyway and just decided that "accidentally" killing her would be easier.
newtonian physics is a joke, newton thought gravity traveled through spacetime instantly, what an idoit. I wish I was alive back then to explain why he was wrong.
I always had this doubt... did the fall kill Gwen? or was it the web? If this is true, that the web killed Gwen, her death is even more tragic... because Spider-Man killed her when he was in fact trying to save her... but maybe if Peter wouldn't try to catch her with his web, she would have died anyway... At least he tried.
On discovery channel there was a show about spiderman and whether it was possible and they mentioned how spiderman tried to catch Gwen Stacey with his web but the force of stopping snapped her neck. I'm pretty sure this was said by the guy who wrote the comics, so now you know.
Wow, that was awesome, physics and superheros, what a great combination! xD That Teacher or Proffesseur seems like a laugh too...Or Doctor? Dr. Jim Kakalios, yeah xD
Gwen's mass (from “Spider-Man: Marvel Encyclopedia”) is given as 130Ibs. Which converts to 58.76Kg. Tower Height of Brooklyn Bridge is given as 84.2772m
Height of Road is given as 36.2712m (assuming she falls from the top to about road height)
Fall is 48.006m, a=9.8m/s, u=0. Therefore v^2=u^2 +2as gives v=30.67m/s, We've seen from comics that spidey's web has elasticity, assuming he built it to spider specifications, that gives at LEAST a 30% increase in length. This would give (cont'd)
MysterExperience 1 month ago
A deceleration of 32.66142m/s/s hence Gwen decelerates at this, which is equal to 3.33G. Skydivers etc experience this force, hence it's safe enough that it wouldn't have killed her. His web could have more elasticity, which would just lessen the force, but assuming that it has the least elasticity of a spider web, the deceleration would not have killed her. Hence, Gwen Stacy should still be alive today. I had to come up with this and present it at University, they said it was all accurate.
MysterExperience 1 month ago
wow nerd humor is the best. iun the rare case i understand it...
alanschapira 2 months ago
The Death of Gwen Stacy ended the Silver Age of Comics....
xlHawkeyelx 2 months ago
If I had learned physics using examples with super heroes I would have done so much better in that course.
burningfate913 2 months ago
Aww imagine how Peter felt when she dies
missgigglepuff11 2 months ago
I don't know what he said but this made alot of sense.
MortalInKombat 3 months ago
I wish there was a class in college just on superhero physics.
dementis93 3 months ago
Gerry Conway, the writer of that story said in Marvel Masterworks vol 13 that, once and for all, he intended for her neck to have been broken. He said the point was that it was a no win scenario and sometimes bad things happen.
thugie1 5 months ago
They make it complicated. A simple she fell to the ground and dies would of made more sense.
fightnight909 6 months ago
@fightnight909 Gerry Conway, the writer of that story thought it would have much more power if spider-man had inadvertantly caused her death. He wrote about the whole issue in Marvel Masterworks amazing spider-man vol 13. It fit right in with the guilt spidey carries for his uncle's death as well.
thugie1 5 months ago
The death of Gwen Stacy was sad-until it turned out she was a delusional cheating slut. Now-eeh.
corbinmichael123 7 months ago
It'll add to the storyline if they have Gwen Stacey killed in the new Spider-Man reboot, The Amazing Spider-Man.
ThatMovieGuy77 7 months ago 2
gwen stacy is dead! that's it!
jinrex015 8 months ago
Because of this I am going to take Physics next year in my school.
emolookalikebutsk8s 9 months ago
the snap in the picture was there for a reason. if the fall did kill her and not the webbing, why would you put a snap in there?
psyckojoe 10 months ago
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Morpheus0000 11 months ago
I love nerd humor...
Bacillus4 1 year ago
nerds are the shit...
buakawkaoklai 1 year ago
I wish he was my teacher..
GeekStar3 1 year ago
What this misses is the point at which the force was applied...namely her leg. So rather than snapping her neck it would actually have torn her leg off.
Morpheus0000 1 year ago
@Morpheus0000 due to inertia, her head would tend to keep going down while the rest of the body gets pulled up. The neck is weaker than the hips so all the force would keep going to the neck instead of breaking the body at the hips.
romeomontague052594 1 year ago
@romeomontague052594
Her head doesn't have inertia independent of the whole body. The point at which it breaks would be the weakest point closest to the point of the opposing force. The mechanics are complex, but a simple demonstration will suffice: lie on the floor and get a friend to pull hard and fast and your lower leg (it could be the start of something beautiful): at what joint will you feel the stress? A: the knee, not the neck. If Spidey's web caught her lower leg, watch that knee snap!
Morpheus0000 1 year ago
@Morpheus0000 touche. :D
romeomontague052594 1 year ago
@Morpheus0000 mmm, wrong. An 8 year old girl was decapitated in a car accident because her seatbelt kept her torso in place but not her head. real life.
pinkie919 11 months ago
@pinkie919 Reference? Even if this occurred (unlikely) it actually proves the point i made. Only where the body is the point of the retardation would neck injuries occur.
Morpheus0000 11 months ago
@Morpheus0000 If you can move your head independently of the whole body, then it has inertia dependent of the whole body.
pinkie919 11 months ago
@pinkie919 A nonsensical argument. There are many body parts which can move independently in this respect, e.g.fingers, arms, eyebrows etc. Doesn't follow that they'll detach themselves in this scenario. The point of failure is a combination of the magnitude of the force acting and the relative strength of each point. More stress is placed on the knee joint due to the weight of the entire body as opposed to the neck (just the head). The body rips off at the knee under that sort of force.
Morpheus0000 11 months ago
just proving it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop
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i wish are orgo prof could be like this....
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porscheghcje 1 year ago
@justinxish Gwen was unconscious from the start. She was killed when Spidey's webbing broke her fall and her neck simultaneously, while she was unconscious.
viperpulse 1 year ago
This is funny, if he can teach the Goblin to rethink if the fall killed her or not lol. Wow so Marvel went back after reading his report on Newton's law of gravity published as a solution to Wizard's open question - only to "fix" their mistake of having the Goblin say that it was the fall that killed her. It's fine that the Goblin's wish-washy, I mean he is a psychopath, but Marvel should have known this, they wrote the damn events they should know what happened.
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jluc1969 1 year ago
i think gwen was dead from the start
justinxish 1 year ago
Awesome video!
ShadesAtKnight 1 year ago
@itayROFL
Stop fighting with people because they have different opinions, we know you want to pretend to be superior to others, but you could at least show some courtesy.
P.S. Wind resistance is negligible in most examples and the force would still be immense when the minimal wind resistance is factored in. This guy in the video has a college degree in physics and is a professor, he would understand and research his topics for his book...
P.S.S. The point where the web caught her was near the
Kai22015 1 year ago
The worst thing about this lecture is that he's teaching people something that Mr. Science Major Peter Parker should have known in the first place but something the writer of the book likely didn't know.
Carperius 1 year ago
Well spider man tought from that and saved Sarah from same fate
ChidoriLT1993 1 year ago
So you cant die by fright then ? add that to your equation
delboy3k1 1 year ago
I think the same way, but I end up making batman, superman, hulk and sentry fans mad when I say they shouldn't be able to grab black holes, lift planets, and stop antimatter, no one seems to put limits on characters.
Med8tr0n 1 year ago
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Med8tr0n 1 year ago
holy cow
she is 50 Kg in mass
fat woman
KingOTyrants 1 year ago
i swear he's alone, and just added the laughes...
and ALL his calculations are really stupid
first neglecting the air drag in these speeds is really changing the situation,
secondly, it might take much much much more than half a second to stop her... the web are really elastic.... it might take about even 3 seconds.
ItayROFL 1 year ago
Physics of superheroes? Man, the desperate lengths teachers will go through to get their lazy-ass students to pay attention...
LordBifford 1 year ago
Lol!! :)
B1w123 1 year ago
good example better way to learn, i got it
SKiLLzGB 1 year ago
The guy is funny, and cool. Next they should have a philosopher explain the philosophy of super villains, and what makes them unique.
Nightavenger2 1 year ago
This shows how nefarious Green Goblin (Norman Osborne) is. He screws Gwen while she's dating Peter, get's her pregnant, and on top of that tells her kids that Spider Man killed their mother.
Green Goblin should have been in the top 10 for IGN's 100 super villains. oh well their loss for putting Catwoman ahead of the nefarious Green Goblin.
Nightavenger2 1 year ago
I would totally take his class.
Marsh388 1 year ago
Without a doubt, the SADDEST chapter in comic book. Gwen was such a beautiful girl. Why did they have to kill her?
Truegho 2 years ago 2
@Truegho I haerd that Stan Lee was forced to kill off an important character, to apparently create more conflict. Why he they chose Gwen, I don't know?
Vanoc93 1 year ago
Same reason he wrote Striperella, he hates women?
Perhaps?
murrangurk 1 year ago
It was done to show a end to the Silver Age, and to show how satanic Green Goblin (Norman Osborne) is.
To take away a lover intentionally is to strike at the herart of the warrior that is very hard to take.
Nightavenger2 1 year ago
this guy needs to do a Chemistry of Super Heroes
wolgreth 2 years ago 5
@wolgreth
The general public might understand physic in a superficial fashion.
But most will probably struggle with chem:
* I've ran into people who can't tell the difference between a molecule and an atom.
* I Imagine trying to explain the concept of a mole to people who are difficient in basic math.
fc007 2 years ago
Thats funny because I actually do very well in school. And i use my time for more productive activities rather than analyzing a comic book.
ahatael 2 years ago
That has to be the funniest physics lecture I've seen, and in particular, the funniest explanation about p.
Man, the Marvel Universe is a convenient but harsh place. When a relationship is going nowhere, nobody has to get dumped for no real fault, instead, I get to be a tragic hero after a super-villain cleans up my life.
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NERD
ahatael 2 years ago
Nerds make 10 times more money than you ever will, ahatael. When you are a homeless highschool dropout, you will wish you were a nerd.
HANK0000 2 years ago 37
@HANK0000 oh i hate so much this crap
gross.. first of all, so maybe they'll have more money, but what the hell, such a nerdy thing to think that all the people that got life (non-nerds), will be homeless miserable people that wish they were nerds..
secondly, even with much more money, most of them are just missing some of the greatest periods of life.. studying instead of having fun.. definitely prefer to enjoy life, as long i have where to sleep and what to eat, and i will.
ItayROFL 1 year ago
@ItayROFL You can have fun and be a nerd. I'm not a very happy person, but that's not because I'm a nerd, but because I look at every single statement or action and analyze it and determine how this affects society, the economy, the environment, and other factors, or determine how it would affect those factors if it were on a larger scale.
HANK0000 1 year ago
@ItayROFL Not all non-nerds will be homeless, however the anti-nerds will likely become homeless or in a low class in society. And you said that popular kids have fun while nerds don't. I've been among popular kids once, and I can safely say it is not fun. As a nerd, you can say whatever the hell you want without your friends condemning you, while popular kids can't say certain things without their so-called "friends" scalding them because their statement didn't conform to social norms.
HANK0000 1 year ago
@HANK0000 well dahh, that's how they behave with nerds, which are not necessarily their real friends (and for the record, that really is disgusting behavior of them), but their real friends they, most usually, never humiliate for real...
anyway popular kids can be really disgusting to others (though not all of popular kids!), and that's really horrible arrogant behavior, but i still hate that nerds thinks after high school they'll rule the world, and popular kids will be their slaves.
ItayROFL 1 year ago
@ItayROFL You must really be a miserable, lonely person to use youtube to pontificate your opinions to people who just don't care.
vladpiranha 1 year ago
@vladpiranha
speaking of talking to people who don't care
ItayROFL 1 year ago
@ItayROFL Get back under your bridge, troll!
vladpiranha 1 year ago
@ItayROFL And being a nerd could be even better if popular kids weren't such dicks to nerds during school. Too bad they suck up to nerds later because they work for them.
HANK0000 1 year ago
@HANK0000 Nerds made Microsoft.
frballz 1 year ago
@ahatael fuck you
thomassu1697 1 year ago
Hmm. which basically begs the question, why don't bungie jumpers keep snapping their necks when doing their thing? Same kind of change in momentum, really.
VulpisFoxfire 2 years ago
It probably has something to do with the bungy cord stretching, which slows down their descent causing less force or something? Don't quote me, I'm no physics expert
KiddSketch 2 years ago
I know nothing about physics, but I presume that Spidey's web could have attached to Gwen's body in a place different from that of the safe bungee cords. I'm sure the point of contact of the cord influences how much whiplash one would experience.
biglmac 2 years ago
A bungee cord acts upon the bungee jumper's momentum over a longer period of time, first reducing the jumper's acceleration, gradually decelerating until the cord's tension overcomes the force of gravity on the jumper's body and springs the jumper back up.
If the deceleration in bungee jumping occurs within roughly 2 seconds, compared to Spider-Man saving Gwen, four times more time, wouldn't that be four times less force? If following the above parameters...
only ~275 lbs of force?
superfreshmint 2 years ago
And I know I'm not much of a Spider-Man fan but I always assumed his webbing had a reasonable amount of elasticity... wouldn't it have enough elasticity to lengthen the time taken to stop Gwen's fall?
(Of course ignoring other factors - I know not exactly how much time and distance Spider-Man had in order to save Gwen, so it may be a moot point if he had ONLY that 1/2 sec and corresponding distance to stop her fall before she went splat. He DID mention he caught her at the last moment...)
superfreshmint 2 years ago
@VulpisFoxfire +1 because it much more than 0.5s (as with spidey's web)
anyway: the guy is wrong though out all the video.
ItayROFL 1 year ago
The following extract appeared in The Spiders Web, Amazing Spider-man #125, October 1973. In this readers letter section, Marvel explains the reasons for Gwen Stacys death. I hope you appreciate my contribution.
A sampling of the maddening wide spectrum of response to the death of Gwen Stacy in SPIDER-MAN #121. At this point, we feel obliged to take a paragraph or two to explain a few points of contention: (continued)
rjohnm1 2 years ago
First, for the many who wrote and complained that the fall alone could not have killed Gwen if she were unconscious (and therefore unable to be scared to death, the usual explanation for a person dying before hitting the ground), it saddens us to have to say that the whiplash effect she underwent when Spideys webbing stopped her so suddenly was, in fact, what killed her.
rjohnm1 2 years ago
In short, it was impossible for Peter to save her. He couldnt have swung down in time; the action he did take resulted in her death; if he had done nothing, she still would certainly have perished. There was no way out. Secondly, the why of it all. We gotta be honest and admit that it wasnt Gerrys idea alone. Gerry (Gerry Conway, writer) had been reading over the past few years issues and had come to the conclusion that something was wrong -or, more accurately, missing.
rjohnm1 2 years ago
The relationship between Pete and Gwen had been through a lot of inconsequential ups and downs, and unless the two were to be married, there was nowhere else to take it. But marriage seemed wrong, too. Peter just wasnt ready. So Gerry, Roy (Roy Thomas, editor) and Stan (Stan Lee, of course) debated the question long and hardand it turned out that all had reached the same inescapable conclusion.
rjohnm1 2 years ago
Gwens death was simply fated to happen. Weve said before that our stories just seem to write themselves, that we often dont have any control over them. This was such a case. Events had shaped themselves in such a way that the only logical resolution was tragedy. Only the inscrutable, inexorable workings of circumstances are culpable this time. And no one regrets it more than we. It was a hard, hard story to write. Nuff said!
rjohnm1 2 years ago
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rjohnm1 2 years ago
Okay so i wrote a comment that was totally off, deleted it. They actually bring up the Ramos comic where goblin reveals his side of what happened and it wasn't what i thought it was.
Anyways, a pretty good "lesson"
spiderweb20 2 years ago
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spiderweb20 2 years ago
Gwen Stacey? wtf happend to Mary-jane?
YellowStyx 2 years ago
Gwen Stacy was before MJ, Peter's 1st girlfriend.
impactred520 2 years ago
I did kinda figure that out but I still hadn't heard of it. Was Gwen the name of the blonde one in the 3rd movie?
YellowStyx 2 years ago
The guy below you just said Gwen Stacy was peters first girlfriend
Hazard590 2 years ago
He replied to me. Think before you post :/
YellowStyx 2 years ago
Yea, they kinda threw Gwen into the 3rd movie because lots of fans, myself included, wanted Gwen in a movie. Just wiki her if you wanna know more.
impactred520 2 years ago
You magnificent bastard! I read your book!!
It was a good book, Great way to introduce physics.
candlehawk 2 years ago
News Radio?
hanoc101 2 years ago
What?
candlehawk 2 years ago
Sorry. I was watching a Newradio ep on Youtube and a character said "You magnificent bastard! I read your book!" to another. nevermind
hanoc101 2 years ago
lol thats awesome
mfigzz 2 years ago
The last joke was hilarious :D
alptunabeksac 2 years ago
wtf.......
thegoodtwin000 2 years ago
If people want science, they read Nature. If they want pseudoscience, they read government reports. If they want to suspend disbelief for the sheer enjoyment of it, they read comic books.
I don't understand the appeal of Jim Kakalios.
TampaRed 2 years ago
I'm thinking of it more like an applied teaching method. Don't you think this method may be effective with teaching children perhaps?
spleenblender 2 years ago
No, I don't. I certainly wouldn't have enoyed being told as a kid that Superman never could have done this or that because of such and such a reason. Any kid knows Superman isn't real. Comic books are meant to stimulate creativity and imagination, not to be used as tools to project reality.
Now, I'm all for comics being used in applied methods of teaching, but it would be more effective if a comic series designed for that purpose was used.
TampaRed 2 years ago
You must have totally misunderstood what he was doing from this statement "told as a kid that Superman never could have done this or that because of such and such a reason".
Early in the video he says he suspends rules of physics on the hero for the purpose of creating problems to solve. They act as variable X which necessarily has to behave in a certain way for the scene to look the way it did if the hero is the only object with suspended rules or properties.
spleenblender 2 years ago
The problem needed to be solved is the question as to why anything in comic books needs to be outlined and explained by science. Some things are just not in need of such scrutiny.
For this example, I understand the conservation of momentum, and have since I studied physics in school, but this understanding doesn't enhance or negate my enjoyment of comic books. It's a non-issue.
TampaRed 2 years ago
But for those that haven't gone through the process of learning such things, this may be an easier way to make kids remember I still think.
spleenblender 2 years ago
Fair enough. I can appreciate that, but I'm uncertain how well it would fear with comic book fans. Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
TampaRed 2 years ago
Its good for Superman and kids if it is explained why Superman is impossible. If Superman could be totally explained by fact, then he wouldn't be super.
Zerothis 2 years ago
You're misunderstanding me. The maths behind how much force superman would have to exert to go X distance if he is M mass doesn't demystify the source of his powers at all.
It is merely a playful framework for setting up problems which are traditionally filled with ball bearings and string and ramps and such.
spleenblender 2 years ago
hahaha that was soo fucking funny but veryy informational.. I enjoy understanding how science is applied to superheroes or just plain people with powers
JohnyEmpathy 2 years ago
Why? Why would anyone enjoy that? It's fiction, and it's not supposed to be scientific.
TampaRed 2 years ago
umm guess what... they do get it right sometimes.... there was a comic about Superman I think or some super hero who where they introduced this evil master plan to blow up some shit.... by splitting the atom!! and from there some people working for the government asked the guy to not publish that because at the time they were actually testing the splitting of the atom under a top secret category. So, that guy is really hella creatively intelligent or he had this wild imagination.. yep
JohnyEmpathy 2 years ago
You're missing my point.
Regarding the atom, it was split by Otto Hahn on December 17, 1938. Superman was introduced in Action Comics 1 in June of '38. I don't recall any Superman story involving splitting the atom between June and December '38 (I'll read them all again though), so I'm sure which story you're referring to.
TampaRed 2 years ago
well Im uncertain of which superhero it was because I do not read comics since Im practically just pasted on the computer.... darn dreaded beautiful computer filled with the vast information of the world and its lies!!.... so yeah... so dont take my word.. it was something on television that I watched a long time ago when I used to watch television...
well its okay if you do not change your opinion... I don't really care... its just what I get interested in... I dont read the comics.
JohnyEmpathy 2 years ago
or they may have actually removed it... that may be the case because of that incident... haha I forgot that I had talked about that. but yeah... idk what show I watched that said something like that.
JohnyEmpathy 2 years ago
You watched Watchmen right?
well you should.. fucking hella BADASS and bloody gorey....
well I would recommend for you to watch something called: The Science of Watchmen
really great.
JohnyEmpathy 2 years ago
Yes, I saw Watchmen. It was horrible. You've read Watchmen, right? It's excellent.
I'll watch The Science of Watchmen on your recommedation, but it's likely not to change my opinion on Kakalios or his ridiculous take on comic book fiction.
TampaRed 2 years ago
Wouldn't her foot have simply slipped out of her boot, and she then would have continued her fall?
TickleTherapy 2 years ago
Actually, it is the weight of her head, and not her body, that produces the force that supposedly killed her. That means either her neck is very weak or her head is very heavy.
Another point to note is that spiderman's web is not a stiff element, it has some modulus of elasticity (E), which should not have an immediately jerky reaction to sudden tensile force, but rather an elastic reaction to the applied tension.
IMO.
shazam679 2 years ago
He didn't catch her IN a web. He used his web to stick to her. That would mean there would be a sudden stop because of how fast she is falling down.
He would've had to use a lot of force to make sure that he doesn't fall with her. Meaning, two forces are working against her. While she was caught by Spidey, he would've had to pull her back up. And that's what would've made her snap her neck.
flashlightbrown 2 years ago
If anything shoulg have broke, it would have been her ankles, since that was the weakest joint supporting her body weight. The only thing her neck supports is her head, which isn't heavy enough to cause her neck to snap.
And by the way, whooever put a thumbdown on my first comment doesn't know a thing about human body mechanics.
shazam679 2 years ago
I would say that heads are heavy enough to snap necks. Such in the cases of car accidents. Rear ended car accidents. I would agree that, in cases of car accidents, it would not mean an automatic death to the victim. However, the neck can still be broken.
flashlightbrown 2 years ago
Now car accidents are a different story. In that case, the force on the neck is perpendicular, so the neck is a cantilevered component, which is a more vulnerable position. The neck is stronger if the force acting upon it is in the same direction.
Its all about structural mechanics, man.
shazam679 2 years ago
To be able to be the one who teaches green goblin something, must be quite an honor!
manc84 2 years ago
This is great stuff. Good job.
TaurusCanser 2 years ago
lol's to be honest she had 95% chance of survival given that with the odds of whiplash and the fall her death was iminent the only way she coulda survived is if spidey somehow master the ability of lightspeed and caught her himself.
gamerlegend 2 years ago
Parker admits that he killed her that way in Universe X
...but then again..that's a alternate reality's future....stupid alternate realities!
Venomex 2 years ago
what a nice professor!!!!
so cool!
sascorp 2 years ago
I don't believe hes putting the elasticity of Spiderman's web into the equation.. he's making the assumption that Spiderman would ave been grounded in one spot and not be affected at the point the web had caught Gwen Stacey.. each time he springs a web Spiderman is brought back up again not due to the swinging motion of the web alone but also the flex in the web too..the time entered into this equation is wrong. it should be over 2 seconds atleast :D
keethth 2 years ago 2
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P comes from impulse aka change in momentum. OMG is this asshole actualy a physicist?
kmnwolfman 2 years ago
yes...one who makes jokes
RemusLupo 2 years ago
I never said anything about his jokes, but getting the basics wrong is not a joke, especially for a university professor. Why is my comment poor? Am I wrong?
kmnwolfman 2 years ago
i didnt do it but ya...he knows where it comes from...hes just lightening the mood thats what i meant.
RemusLupo 2 years ago
the letter P which stands for...momentum lol
babaoreilly15 2 years ago
maybe he should also reference the 90's period of spiderman, where it was the clone parts and ben reilly (peter's clone that actually lived and had no deformity), saves some random girl who falls from the same bridge and he mentions how he was wrong when he had attempted to saved save gwen stacy, and in fact uses an arc to successfully divert the girls mass back upward, how correct this is, idk, I was very spacey in my physics course, but he should still reference it
TheJazzman44 2 years ago
wow, you just have to try to ruin everything eh
blakrising 2 years ago
U of M for the win.
Barnmol 2 years ago
This guy is amazing... My physics teacher in high school had us read this book as we were getting in his class...
Cyrathil 2 years ago
He's rlly a nerd. But daim he's a good teacher!
I wish my professors were more like him...
TakesTwoToTango 2 years ago 5
omg...this guy is awesome....i would of never understood that if some smart ass know it all would of explaned it too me...not just the superhero situation but his way of explaning his theory has now educated me for 5 mins...i learned at least 3 things from that video in a space of 5 mins....how is that possible when i go through 1-2 hour lectures at uni and don't get squat !
supernerd1 2 years ago 3
He reminds me of Buster from Arrested Development.
rylanspenrath 2 years ago
his voice? yeah! totally..
ObtrusiveDave 2 years ago
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get a life pussy
mateo88990 2 years ago
mateo88990: "get a life pussy"
For the record, anyone who can read your words, mateo88990, already has a life. Some prefer to utilize a small portion of their lives annoying others. You can of course do what you want, but don't expect the rest of us to take you very seriously if you're going to go around telling people to get something they obviously already have.
Also, we're not all cat lovers. *smirk*
ZachsMind 2 years ago 6
that's what parker gets for studying chemistry instead of physics.
you think he'd have known about conservation of momentum, though. maybe he was planning on breaking up with her anyway and just decided that "accidentally" killing her would be easier.
yetidetective 3 years ago 2
hahahaha, i hope your girlfriend doesnt see that...
insnsam45 2 years ago
spidermans web is stretchy so it should have stretched and slowed her velocity abit like a bungie rope remember its rubber!
duncanblitz 3 years ago
all these troubles we caused by figuring out how she really died, we could just ask the writer hehe
kelotz07 3 years ago
Oh My God! Phyics is beautiful!
I honestly don't give a crap about Gwen Stacy, this is cool.
MarlonOwnsYourCake 3 years ago 2
so the webbing killed her
badboygbd 3 years ago
I just bought this guy's book, it's really good, (& Im horrid at both math & science!).
zer0luv 3 years ago 2
arent most of us lol! I wanted to be a physist yet, It seems my high school physics was nothing compared to whats in college lol!
RockyBalboa211 3 years ago
cuz newtonian physics is a joke.
amsd1231 2 years ago
I hated my high school physic's department!! The guy teaching us was a pastor for a couple of years, I mean really....
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
My old high school's physics department was amazing. The head of department was an avid weed fan and quite insane.
He used to go nuts with the white board cleaner in poorly ventilated rooms cz he liked the fumes.
Those lessons were fun.
mattandguitar 2 years ago
Who doesnt like the fumes lol!
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago
newtonian physics is a joke, newton thought gravity traveled through spacetime instantly, what an idoit. I wish I was alive back then to explain why he was wrong.
controlp41 2 years ago
ehm thing is he was sort of a pioneer in the whole physics and gravity thing, didnt have a textbook to work out of like you my friend
himrawkz 2 years ago
ok smart ass, SO what chemicals bond with oxygen? I want web shooters damn it!:)
vlunney 3 years ago
I always had this doubt... did the fall kill Gwen? or was it the web? If this is true, that the web killed Gwen, her death is even more tragic... because Spider-Man killed her when he was in fact trying to save her... but maybe if Peter wouldn't try to catch her with his web, she would have died anyway... At least he tried.
maverickslb80 3 years ago
On discovery channel there was a show about spiderman and whether it was possible and they mentioned how spiderman tried to catch Gwen Stacey with his web but the force of stopping snapped her neck. I'm pretty sure this was said by the guy who wrote the comics, so now you know.
tordack 3 years ago
yes... what makes it even more tragic...
maverickslb80 3 years ago
Dear me...a scientist with a sense of humor!
Awesome.
Alabame 3 years ago 4
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I'm pretty sure i'm the only one who dosen't care about gwen's death.
gohanRULEZ 3 years ago
So says the guy with "Gohan" on his name. Some of us are interested, so piss off.
DiscoSamurai 3 years ago 6
I was interested,but i didn't care because she ALWAYS dies in every spiderman seiers.
gohanRULEZ 3 years ago
expect on the 1994 serie and the spdier-man 3 movie
eagc7 3 years ago
Hmm true,but i was talking about the comic series.
gohanRULEZ 3 years ago
Wow, that was awesome, physics and superheros, what a great combination! xD That Teacher or Proffesseur seems like a laugh too...Or Doctor? Dr. Jim Kakalios, yeah xD
funkmetal13 3 years ago
If you like this,you might want to check out a related clip on Youtube called,"The Big Bang Theory - Talk Nerdy to Me: About Superman".
apk1215 3 years ago
its just comics!!!!!!!!!!
eagle2307 3 years ago
this is so effin' cool.
man i'm such a loser.
geofree1984 3 years ago 6
can i have these video of "Physics of Superheroes"?
please...tell me something...i need it cause i have to speack about them in my exam..
thank u..
ele
elegiraffina 3 years ago
they have a book at any chapters store you can get
jamesfrancis5 3 years ago
isnt it in spiderman 1 greengoblin lures him there ? but its mary jane instead?
MagiskaEmil93 3 years ago
The scene with MJ was based on that comic, "The night when Gwen Stacy died"
Luthce 3 years ago