dan choi is awesome i knew him from 4th grade through high schoo! hes proably the most famnous person from my hs class. he sure stands up for what he beleaves he. rather you agree or disagree with him. hes a great guy.
I just got an email saying that Daniel Choi is facing 6 months in prison or a $5,000 for a protest outside the White House several months ago. I just hope Daniel Choi now understands and realizes that during his time in Iraq and Afghanistan that he was fighting for our freedoms in the wrong FUCKING country.
Although I would of course applaud any jail time for Daniel Choi, there is basically no hope of this, He has become a rock star of the degenerate community and as such will avoid serious punishment during this hellbound administration.
The joy of religion, the focus on the Hereafter instead of the Here, does provide some solace in that all of the secular confusion just disappears in the presence of God, who has already ruled on gays and gay marriage and LGBT and so forth.
But then, in fourteen months and four days we have the election, and in sixteen months and nineteen days we have the inauguration, and if God will permit us to cast off the Obamanation we hopefully will have a good chance to shrug off the glue-sniffers, the wingnuts, and these horrible things will come to an end.
Of course, this much is not certain either. Help us, O God.
You just made our entire society worthless. You have just ruled out 90 percent of voters. And explain what morally straight means, but 90% of voters are not well educated. So what are you arguing now?
Don't get me wrong -- those elementary and junior high school test scores are lousy, but the college students are the best in the world and there are an awful lot of them.
But you don't have to be a scientific person, or a genius, or have a Master's degree in English Literature to be a good voter. It takes the Marxist schools or universities months or years to indoctrinate our kids, but usually a few years working in the private sector fixes that.
American voters have an extra responsibility because America has been given so much power.
Post-WWI Germany was a wreck. Its economy was in the dumper, they had buried so many dead, and yet the rest of Europe wanted reparations. Even though the Kaiser was gone, civilian government restored, and in just a few years the economy returned, the people were wanting in morals. Never was the ordinary German more fixated on corruption and debauchery.
In order to understand Germany in the 1930s, one must examine German society in the 1920s. They were corrupt, they were angry, they wanted a scapegoat, and when Hitler proffered Jews and Poles and Czechs, why, they were content to believe. It didn't bother them when the little man with the Charlie Chaplin mustache sidestepped civilian law and seized power. The Reichstag moment was a time when nobody was watching the watchers. And very soon after that it became too late.
Americans are so entrenched in the world that if we permit a Hitler, or a Tojo, or an Obama to seize power and set the wrecking ball in motion, nobody could stop it. We are close to that today.
The common student needs to understand the machinations not only of the republic for which they stand -- but also of the little dictator; what he wants, how he achieves it, how he keeps operating.
Before he was elected to office, Adolf Hitler wasn't a general. He was just a community organizer.
I'm not asking for anything that I shouldn't have already. And as far as I'm concerned, all of you nay-sayers can eat your own hearts out. The repeal on DADT is on its deathbed, and we won, rightly so. So any one who has a problem with it, wright to your senator, those of you that know how, and then quit your jobs and move to the middle east, or Africa, you will find like-minded comrades there.
Us gays that are demanding rights aren't the ones that are having hundreds of sexual partners a year. Every minority has that small group of people that gives the whole minority a bad name. Here in Denver we have a large group of Hispanic people. Not all of them are bad people. The people who come here legally, get jobs and support their families are welcome, but the few that come here and get on welfare and suck resources are bad. The bad ones ruin what the legal ones are trying to accomplish.
"Us gays that are demanding rights aren't the ones that are having hundreds of sexual partners a year. "
An immaterial point. "In for a penny, in for a pound," is the rubric here. Assigning group rights here and there is a social tinkering that is a dangerous power for government to have. At the core of American values is its innate ability to improve because the people correct the government. In order to do this, the people must be morally straight and well-educated.
Government entry into education has all but guaranteed mediocre teachers, and union debauchery has helped change American test scores into the scourge of the First World. We spend the most, and we get the least.
In every possible way, the youth in the USA are being sexually exploited and force-fed toxic messages about social order. Teenagers listen to gangsta rap,,, are we surprised when they begin to take some of those messages to heart? Universities are dens of Marxists and mullahs.
Are we surprised with huge "demonstrations" against the war in Iraq or against Israel, which have tens of thousands of students and Commie-led student groups -- and virtually no one else?
But once again, I digress.
We dished up "civil rights" as a means to atone for slavery, and for a set of further wrongs done by Democrats called Jim Crow laws.
Now, of course, Hispanics want special group rights. We don't owe Mexicans a dime, but... politicians start handing out the candy...
... and they don't know when to stop, because group rights are like candy. Sugary sweet, but not particularly good for you.
There are always idiot brigades out there screaming human rights this, and animal rights that, and Gandhi done hit me with a wiffle-ball bat. These are the agitators, and they agitate because it works. We should pay them no attention.
We know what rights are. Our rights came from God. We can't improve rights by papering them over and making stupid litle compacts.
I'm serious. We were born into this world, endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are among those rights. Property rights, I would argue, are in that list.
God did not endow you with the right to sodomy. Pumping butts, fisting cracks, oh geez, what in the world gave you the idea that something holy should be corrupted like that?
Good laws are simple. Everyone can understand them. People can essentially agree to be bound by them, because that's what laws do -- they bind us. You can spot a bad law a mile away because it's huge and convoulted. This "Obamacare" thing -- terrible law. I understand it takes three pages just to say "Louisiana."
Our constitution is nice and tight, with 27 amendments. Mexico's constitution has 136 articles. It's a real doozy; you should take a look.
You can't 'deserve' your rights. You can't work hard all day, every day to 'earn' your rights. You have them and they are inviolable -- or you don't, and never did.
There is no sense in pleading for the cause of gay rights saying that you should have them because you're only moderately gay (say, 10 sex partners/year instead of 100). Gay rights, if conferred, would apply to the most extreme case.
God didn't create gay rights, so they are worthless.
@jessemckay the people who tried to get out were weak minded individuals, who wanted to break a commitment that they signed up for. As for Klinger in M*A*S*H, hey was trying to get out as INSANE, the episode where they had him checked out by a shrink he told them he was not gay. Get your facts right before you use them as an example. As for us "tribes" asking to be accommodated, as any memner of a minority will tell you, these are basic HUMAN rights.
My comment was: "... quite a few men have put on dresses to avoid fighting in war," and I cited TV's M*A*S*H and the character Klinger as an example, albeit a fictional stereotype and a contrived one at that (in later seasons, after the departure of Walter "Radar" O'Reilly, Klinger replaced O'Reilly as clerk, straightened out, made Sergeant, and at the show's finale marries a beautiful Korean girl named Soon-Lee portrayed by Rosalind Chao.)
I stand by my reporting of then-Corporal Klinger and his motives; I believe that I used the example correctly and in context; and I also personally feel that the comment was worthy of note -- though you are free to disagree on that point; you might find it trivial; but, thus far, though I suspect thousands of people have used the "gay" dodge to leave the military for convenience, the US news media has not put a face on this phenomena.
Plus, the correct citation was "demand", not "ask," to be accommodated.
I find it insulting and racist to conflate gay rights with civil rights. We humbled a race of people by tolerating the condition of slavery on our shores for 87 years. We compounded the fault by only allowing black slavery, and by concentrating it in the South. The North was subsidized and became industrial and even today has higher wages.
The federal government should have banned slavery and should have bought out every slaveholder in America at the founding of the nation. It was the only morally straight thing to do, and our Founding Fathers kicked the can down the road instead of addressing the problem.
The problem only got worse and worse, as Congress kept making compromise after weird compromise deciding which new states could be "slave" and which could be "free", and the Civil War brought us to the brink of collapse.
Slavery was America's birth defect. Even after 150 years, remnants of slavery (quotas, positive discrimination, racial politics, lawsuits, etc.) remind us that all is not well.
By the way, I am gay, and joining the Air Force, and what I want is the RIGHT to not have to lie about who I am. I don't want to wear a dress to fight a war, I just demand to be allowed to be who I am, and serve my country. At the same time, I am fighting for your RIGHT to be a homophobic bigot.
Until fairly recently, quite a few men have put on dresses to avoid fighting in war (e.g.., Klinger in TV's M*A*S*H). It has been suggested that many of the 14,000+ expelled from the Armed Forces "for being gay" since 1993 were really just tired of their hitch and took advantage of an easy way out.
It's disappointing to say the least that smaller and smaller groups of people (tribes, if you would) demand that the world change to accommodate them in greater and greater ways.
I really don't understand why so many people are homophobic. I'm an American, a supposedly free country, where I can live a semi happy life. The only reason I can't live a totally happy life is because of a few homophobic people who are usually just ignorant pricks. You people (meaning the ignorant homophobic) just want someone to hate. First it was black people(which a lot of you still seem to hate, even though the worst of them are still superior to you in every way.)
First, the word homophobic was coined by a 1970s author describing the guilt or self-loathing or worries straight people have about their own pseudo-gay proclivities. The word does not belong to gays. I think we should take it back.
Second, you attack America's freedom when you declare that we don't have any, and that's a poor position for any soldier to take. This is a fantastic, amazing country, and if you don't think it's special, maybe you won't be willing to die for it.
Third, the tirade against Americans as being pro-slave is ignorant. Tisquantum (aka "Squanto") was probably the first person in the Americas enslaved by a white man, and he was not black. The first documented state--sanctioned slaveholder in America was a black man named Anthony Johnson.
Fourth, preconceived notions about race, ethnicity, national origin were certainly indigenous to the Old World and the New Testament idea promulgated in the Declaration of Independence clearly states that "all men are created equal, and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights". That's the immortal declaration, and in time, all of these notions about Jews, Scotsmen, Dutchmen, Irishmen, Finns, Norwegians, Frenchmen, Indians, and Africans became settled.
This dude is a total FAKE! ...Fucker got kicked because he insulted the President of the United States of America over the radio a national syndicated one at that, not because he's been gay.
I'm in the Army & if anybody thinks we are goin to take orders from a sick queer like this, well you better think again. 2012 isn't that far away & the great African witch doctor in the White House will have the voters & he can't win with blacks & queers only!
Dan..I just watched you on Msnbc tonight and Im sorry me to hear you put down President Obama the way you did tonight! You say that you will not help him get re-elected. Well if you think you have problems now...you just sit back and allow the Republicans to take over.. not only will you NOT get to have the equality that you are fighting for...they will repeal DADT! You try pulling this country out of the shit hole that it's in right now and have the other side fighting against you too!
I definitely do not support Dan Choi's activist actions; I see him as petty, self-minded, and an opportunist. I disagree with your attitude toward Republicans and the nation.
If you think that Dan Choi's floundering about and braggadoccio about "not helping Obama get re-elected" is playing right into the hands of your so-called conservative opposition, well...
,,, my reasoned opinion is that you are correct on that point.
Choi has been blathering about gay-rights this and gay-marriage that. Well, it's on now.
Your side is going to have to win every election cycle from now until the end of time, because if you miss just one of them, the opposition is going to roll back everything you think you won in the biggest repeal you have ever seen in your lifetime. They are going to hit like a tidal wave. You'll wake up every day, turn on the tube or the YouTube and you'll say what-the-bleep happened.
@WildManChris2000 We assume your use of the pejorative invective is intended to inflame the passions of gay people to make them irrationally embrace the idea of becoming professional trained killers for ExxonMobil, etc. Noted.
its so childish to pay attention to someones sexual orientation, men f women in the ass and then critisize men for doing it to men and women too critisize men for liking it,
its retarded. The bible is a lie, its comes from towel heads and deserves to die with Osama bin ladin.
@gyreenedoc Straight people tell everybody they are straight all the time. They speak openly of their sexual partners or the sexual partners they would like to have. You have a problem with gay people doing the same, you ignorant slut.
@gyreenedoc You just told him you want gay people to shut up about being gay, and be like you think straight people are and not reveal their sexual orientation. He very carefully explained how straight people are continually revealing their sexual orientation by talking about their partners, families, sexual desires, etc. You don't think gay people should be allowed to do the same. Noted.
I am not aware of "straight-dar," nor do I believe there is such a phrase in the "straight community," if there is one of those.
In a recent survey of gay men, one question asked, "How many sex partners have you had in the past year?"
The median response given was twenty. Some were over one hundred.
We can't know who is lying, who is telling the truth, or who is exaggerating. We can't control what love is or does... or approve of couplings disguised as relationships.
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They are all the same person. They all post on the same videos, click the "like" button on their comments, have disabled their channels, flag as spam those who disagree with his trollish ways.
Thats incredible beacause just today he came to our school and i met him. He signed my book and my hand. he is realllly sweet and i have alot of respect for standing up for not only him but others, and being gay shouldnt affect others beacause its doin them no harm. MUCH LOVE DAN CHOI MUCH LOVE! hope to meet u again
@Mrssweety428 Did he give you a cookie too? Do you know that his business is killing little kids like in your school if they happen to live in the wrong country?
Such a tiny, anomalous, exceptional minority of gays have any desire to join the military, yet somehow mainstream media millionaire talking head shills keep hammering away that this is at the forefront of the gay community's concerns. Who owns the media pushing this lie? Defense contractor GE, which owns NBC and pays Rachel Maddow's salary for one.
Anybody like Rachel Maddow taking millions from NBC/GE immediately loses credibility. GE profits from Pentagon government defense contracts. Out lesbian Rachel Maddow takes millions from GE to tell gays they want to serve openly in the military, using GE's weapons to kill little brown people so ExxonMobil can steal their country's oil. Maddow has sold her soul. Makeup on a butch lesbian looks ridiculous. Maddow is one confused hot mess who like Obama is paid to glibly spread disinformation.
@zooooooperdooooooper Hollywood and US media in general are full of gays who take the money to spread disinformation propaganda. Maddow is no different.
"Anybody like Rachel Maddow taking millions from NBC/GE immediately loses credibility. GE profits from Pentagon government defense contracts. Out lesbian Rachel Maddow takes millions from GE to tell gays they want to serve openly in the military, using GE's weapons to kill little brown people so ExxonMobil can steal their country's oil."
Bill Hicks: "Gays want to be in the military. Here's how I feel about it, alright? ANYONE... DUMB enough to want to be in the military, should be allowed in. End of fuckin' story. That should be the only requirement. I don't care how many push-ups you can do, put on a helmet, go wait in that fox-hole, we'll tell you when we need you to kill somebody."
@taylorcurtishamilton Great line. Hicks was wrong about one thing though -- "gays" (implying most gays) do not want to be in the military. Most gays are too smart, too progressive, too humanitarian for that. It's only self-appointed "gay" organizations and "gay" spokespersons pushing gays in the military and gay marriage. There is no gay community holding gay organizations or gay spokespeople accountable for their actions. Maddow is paid millions by gay-hostile G.E./NBC. Not credible.
@funboy7979 I have met many "representatives" of "gay" organizations over the years. They are never part of what you know as your gay community, never know anybody you know, never indicate they want to get to know you, never represent anything you or your friends feel or believe. Yet they presume to tell the world what you and all other gay people want. I don't know any gay people who want to get married or kill for the military. "Gay spokespeople" say gays want to be government pawns.
Maddow not just pushes the lie that the average gay wants gay marriage to be licensed and monitored by state governments, but also registered with the IRS, the enforcement arm of the "Federal Reserve" organized crime syndicate. Maddow's job is to get gays/lesbians to believe they are fighting valiantly to be included in the herd of sheep being led to slaughter comprising the general straight population. Or did you think G.E. pays an individual millions to express whatever pops into her head?
Rachel Maddow is paid millions by G.E. to make the illusion of the Republican-Democrat democracy charade seem plausible to upscale educated gays and lesbians and gay-friendly young professionals. She also reinforces the lie put forth by highly-paid professional "gay rights advocacy" organizations that the issues uppermost in the mind of the average gay person are the right to be out while killing for ExxonMobil & having gay marriage licensed & monitored by state governments. G.E. blood money.
Once this "struggle for gays in the military" is "won" by the "gay community," a re-instituted draft will not exclude gay people. There is no gay community, only a number of organizations claiming to be lobbying for gay rights, who target people on gay mailing lists for donations, who tell gay people that goons like the Clintons are their friends, but mostly it comes down to hired guns screaming for gay marriage and gays in the military, two issues mostly benefiting a tiny minority of lesbians.
Wow, apparently YOU aren't very smart there zoo...perdoo...per, he's fluent in Arabic, and a lieutenant. what do you do for a living? flip burgers in McDonalds? The point of this is, I want to serve MY country, and I want to fight FOR my right to believe what I believe, and love who I love. Legally, all we need to have a "legal" war, is the president to say "we are at war"
@dynem216 So clever, accusing anyone who disagrees with you on the internet of having a minimum wage job. And original. Never heard that before. Did you just make that up?
@dynem216 Millions of children in India are fluent in half a dozen languages. European children three or four languages. If a reasonably intelligent young person is drilled all day for months in a language immersion program such as provided in the military they would have to be intensely dysfunctional not to emerge from it with something like fluency in the language studied. The UN is full of polyglots lacking critical thinking skills and a moral compass. What's your point?
@zooooooperdooooooper Most kids flipping burgers at MacDonald's in NYC are bilingual. Many trilingual. You are arguing with somebody who grew up at the end of a dirt road who's impressed when some tool on NPR mispronounces *raison d'etre.* It does not matter how many languages a trained killer can spout, he is still selling his soul -- slaughtering little kids and their families for college money, cheap mortgages & health insurance, in the service of war criminal billionaires ...
4. You profess to love the country, but in some ways the values, the morals, and the ethos are at odds with the way you choose to live your life. Millions of people came here with strange languages and customs, and they had to choose between living as tribes, kept apart from the others, or putting all that aside and saying, I want to be American and live as Americans live; or painfully altering America somehow to fit their ideals. You can deal with this, or you can deal with that.
Dan Choi is a fucking moron, why does he fight and insist on risking his life for a country that would love to see a bullet in his brain. An gay man, and a gay ASIAN man no less. This guy is practically everything america despises, ridicules, and scorns. Yet he still insist on joining the military to advance America's mercantilistic agenda. A true white man's bitch...amazing
People who disagree with the war can't get out of the military, but if you agree and want to go, but say you are gay, then you are kicked out...anyone else find this a little odd.
Wait until they re-institute the draft. It could happen s overnight you know. Gays won't get a deferment, nor will emo str8 boys be able to get out of it by pretending to be gay. This shit has unintended consequences. I do not know one gay person who cares about serving in the military. It's an issue pushed by corporate millionaire shills like Maddow and other babbling lens lice purporting to represent the mythical gay "community."
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@zooooooperdooooooper Hi nice to meet you, I'm a lesbian and I care very much if I am allowed to serve in the military or not. There hun you have meet one gay person that care if they can serve in the military. By the way its not the military that is evil, its the people ordering them to fight. Please remember there is a difference between a solider that is sacrificing for the country and the politician that sends them to war, get angry at the right people please.
@fireflygirl246 No, I actually have not now met "one gay person that care (sic) if they (sic) can serve in the military." I have only read the anonymous retyping of cliche propaganda. That's different. If what you write is true, then you have a steady position in a community where you can hook up like crazy and get great benefits in exchange for slaughtering little brown people on behalf of mega-corporations who want to rape their country. Congratulations. Feel like a man now?
@zooperdoper no actually I feel like a woman, but thank you for asking. first my military dose not go all around the world killing brown people, up until you yanks dragged us into Afghanistan we primarily were sent in to protect those brown people, look up Canadian peacekeepers. I also find it so funny that people make judgments about people in the military with out knowing anything about it, I'm sure True Duty Horror are just words to you, they mean more to me, you ignorant fuck.
@fireflygirl246 Whoop-dee-do. Legally openly gay in the US military means butch lesbians can flex their muscles and murder kids in Afghanistan without fear of losing their steady paychecks, room & board, excellent benefits, and pensions. The same for butch queens. The US all-volunteer army can recruit more cannon fodder and trained killers. When the draft is re-instituted, women & fem gays will not be exempt. Princesses and queens will be forced to join the pagan ritual blood sacrifice.
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@funboy7979 The draft will never be re-instated. it would take a vote BY THE PEOPLE. and stop arguing out of both sides of your mouth. People don't want to join the Military to kill "kids" as you say. they do it to make sure you have the right to open your ignorent little mouth and spout off ignorant little half ideas.
@dynem216 Rah rah and wave the flag, Sparky. You're just your own little parade aren't you? Turning the draft on or off was never put to a vote, and there's no provision in place that it ever will be. Haven't you learned that since 911 things can change overnight with a glib speech to justify it all? Gays in the military are such a tiny minority of gays. Most gay people are too smart, humanitarian, politically savvy, etc. to want to slaughter innocents for ExxonMobil & the Carlyle Group.
@dynem216 Lies. The draft was never voted on by the people and there is no law that says it ever will be. Two questions for you: a) how much do your masters pay you to retype this disinformation over and over and, b) what do their withered old peens taste like?
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Between these two Over the Top Queers and Queens " GAYS " Anonomuous or how ever you want to portray these two Fuc*in Weirdo's, I think I want to Puke in the Street. Choi is so FULL BLOWN GAY LIKE MADDOW ...and if nobody couldn't see this you must be a Damn Stevie Wonder with Ear Plugs. Shit is this a Freak Show or What?
I have zero respect for Dan Choi. The US has conducted no legal wars for generations. If you are too stupid to understand that then you are a child. If you do understand that and pursue a military career anyway you deserve whatever you get. Dan Choi strikes me as a shameless opportunist and pawn for somebody else's ugly agenda. He surely is not the brightest bulb. He's just another pretty face -- oops, guess not even that.
For about 100 years, the USA has been a sort of 11th Commandment - "Thou Shalt Not Get Away With It."
Germany wanted Europe. We intervened. When Part II opened, Germany wanted Europe and Japan wanted China. Once Korea was free from Japan, China wanted a friendly puppet-type regime there. We denied them the South. Then China wanted a friendly regime in Vietnam, and we held them off for 10 years.
Various US foreign policies have used words like engagement, containment, diplomacy, arms treaties, detente, SALT, and START. We have supported friends and opposed foes. Blood has been shed, dictators deposed, free elections held. It's been rocky.
I think it is pretentious to singularly opine that America is guilty without acknowledging that America signs treaties and keeps them, while the other signatories break them continually. The USSR, China, NKorea, Iraq have all broken treaties.
IMHO the clearest violation of logic is the presumption that all of the invisible political boundaries on the world's maps are in some way sacrosanct, that is, where the USA is concerned. (Remember what I said about Iceland.) Iraq can steal Kuwait, bomb Israel, and move against Saudi Arabia, but how dare the USA want to do anything about it? ("OMG! Blood for oil!") And how many nuclear treaties and armistice agreements does Kim Jong-Il have to break before serious actions are taken?
Furthermore, the question of "illegal" begs the question of jurisdiction. What body exercises jurisdiction over the United States? There is no United Federation of Planets, no Galactic Empire, no Earth Council.
The UN, which has done a very good job of giving American tax dollars to poor countries, and a lousy job of pretty much everything else, does not have veto over the USA, and the USA does have veto power at the UN.
Our colonial ancestors fought the Crown, and we have to accept the Hague? Not!
I am not a citizen of the world. I am a citizen of the United States of America, and I have no loyalty, fealty, or responsibility to Ban Ki-moon. The USSR broke SALT I, SALT II, and Russia has broken START; and as for China, it has broken everything from Non-Nuclear Proliferation Treaty all the way down to international fishing.
Always the glaring disconnect on this issue: America's wars are illegal, imperialistic, for oil, genocidal ... but gays supposed righteous fight to become trained killers in the service of war criminal politicians is always celebrated. Rachel Maddow does not speak for gays and lesbians. Dan Choi does not speak for gays and lesbians. Self-appointed gay groups do not speak for gays and lesbians. Mainstream media commentators job is to prop up with babble the illusion of democracy.
@funboy7979 Can't tackle all iisues at once, idealism sometimes must bend, if hopefully, temporarily, to meet the exigencies of politics (reality). I am a *realist*, and support this repeal movement, despite my abhorrence of all forms of war. Your point is well-taken, but pls show me what you would do differently. Construct, not only deconstruct, please try it and see, then respond by post.
@gabsylv Your condescension is noted. As is your profoundly schizophrenic moral compass. I suggest you throw away your tv and have a single, clear, original, common sense thought once in a while.
@funboy7979 Movements have to learn to crawl before they can run. Some just dream of running (politics) perfectly and criticize others who do it. Armschair theorists. So easy to be consistent and morally spotless when all you do is moan and criticize those who get their hands dirty while you keep yours in your intellectual Palmolive. No politics here, folks, just empty discourse! Condescension, or in fact, any energy, is wasted here. Meanwhile, we march on and do your work for you.
@gabsylv What are you babbling about, Sparky? Your comment is nothing but a laundry list of bromides, and tag you as captain of some weird pep club. Becoming a trained killer in the service of genocidal maniacs is hardly an admirable aspiration, nor an acceptable stepping stone until something better comes along. Two tip-offs that you are a propaganda drone shill: addressing your imagined audience as "folks," and excoriating commentators for doing what is expected of them -- commenting.
Wars are fought "for oil?" Wars have been fought for land, for gold and treasure, for slavery, for retribution, or as the last mad act of a despot. We know that oil is used for energy, energy is necessary for economy, we have the largest economy, and the market is fixed by cartel bullies who have created an artificial shortage of oil for about 10 years now following almost 20 years of oil glut.
If you live long enough, experts are saying that you'll witness food wars and water wars in various parts of the world. The rise of Islam has brought back the 21st century version of holy wars; and of course there is the modern terrorist who can act with state-like destruction at discount prices.
So yes, I would rather fight a war for two-dollar gasoline than to eradicate my heretic Sunni neighbors, or against Saddam Hussein's conquest of tiny Kuwait which exemplified use of oil for blood.
@jessemckay Wherever the US military is threatening and killing, there you have empire. Wherever a US corporation is stealing mineral wealth or exploiting labor, there you have empire. Wherever the US has propped up a puppet regime, there you have empire. Good lord, you are as stupid as you are arrogant, aren't you?
The creaky notion that the USA should sit idly by while bad guys do bad things -- not because it can't, mind you, but ~because~ it can -- requires IMHO very much more defense than you have given it.
Perhaps you can set us all straight and explain on what basis you consider the USA to be an empire. Then, please proceed and defend the statements about threatening and killing, stealing mineral wealth and exploiting labor, and propping up puppet regimes.
@jessemckay Just exactly who are the "bad guys?" George Bush's famous "evil doers?" You are a propagandist for jingoism. You must be one who believes America is always right because we have "God on our side?" Or are you one who likes to chant "USA! USA!" because you think global politics is a football game with winner take all? On the topic of the video: it is no victory to win the right to slaughter babies so the rich can get richer.
@funboy7979 You see it in the comments about any video about trending political ideas. But I would take it one step further than calling her a propagandist -- I would call her a hack propagandist, as her use of beginner persuasion techniques is so obvious.
I agree that Dan Choi is not inspiring -- he appears confused and self-regarding, more selfish opportunist than idealist. No rational person would fight for the right to become a trained murderer.
If you would care to posit that "America's the global bad guy," and "none of the other global players has a malevolent thought in their national heads," then what a discussion we could have! And how close you are to saying something like that!
But I've identified the "bad guys" of the 20th century -- countries we had to oppose in a military way -- Germany, Japan, the USSR, China, Iraq, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, and more.
@jessemckay Why do you make up quotes that nobody said and then debate them with yourself? Why do you fill this comment section with long boring writing samples from your creative writing class? Why do you get really assiduous about this social vandalism when anybody suggests that fighting for equal acceptance in the military is the furthest thing from the minds of most gays and lesbians? Why do you want to stop anybody calling out Maddow for her gross inconsistency on this topic?
You're suggesting that I am debating myself and you ask you me why.
I ask you the same question.
No, really.
You're certainly welcome to call me out on any of my misstatements or odd arguments and I'm sure there are quite a few. But for all of my flawed, human mistakes, there's only one of me.
@jessemckay Propagandist. You don't express an opinion -- you seek to manipulate the group opinion of the general audience here. Hence your reference to yourself in the first person plural as in phrases like "perhaps you can set us all straight," and addressing readers directly in the second person as "folks." This is a rhetorical technique long used by rabble-rousers and demagogues. Plus the fact that you are drowning out any other comments here with your endless off-topic ramblings.
Oh, so now I'm a "propagandist?" I'll add that to the name-calling stack. And how do I accomplish this -- through personal pronouns? By skillfully and deviously alternating between grammatical persons? At what point does this become ,in any sense, wrong?
The Reader can and should judge my comments on merits. Perhaps I am not researching as well as I should. That's a fair criticism if it can be substantiated.
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But my comments are what they are. If I wanted to manipulate them, as you say, I suppose that I could create a dozen other monikers, and thusly vote up (or reply in concurrence with) my own comments and vote down (or reply in disagreement with) others.
Now that, by any fair standard, is "manipulation" at least and arguably propagandizing. But I live in a land governed by a community organizer who studied Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals." So some people do these things.
@jessemckay Can you actually go and count how many comments that you posted and then tell me? I want to know. I think that you are finally getting to the minds of those that are Gay, and I just wanted to know how many posts that It takes to get to change the minds of people who are actually Gay or not against Gay individuals. Lol. Thanks.
But my comments are what they are. If I wanted to manipulate them, as you say, I suppose that I could create a dozen other monikers, and thusly vote up (or reply in concurrence with) my own comments and vote down (or reply in disagreement with) others.
Now that, by any fair standard, is "manipulation" at least and arguably propagandizing. But I live in a land governed by a community organizer who studied Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals." So some people do these things.
Oh, so now I'm a "propagandist?" I'll add that to the name-calling stack. And how do I accomplish this -- through personal pronouns? By skillfully and deviously alternating between grammatical persons? At what point does this become ,in any sense, wrong?
The Reader can and should judge my comments on merits. Perhaps I am not researching as well as I should. That's a fair criticism if it can be substantiated.
These firings are like what was going on in the South oh so many years ago. Our kids, or grandkids, will look back at this and it will be a bit difficult for them to truly understand. Yes, there were people who really believed that basic human rights depended on sexual orientation.
Even today it is hard for me to understand how people can believe that they have the right to impose their beliefs on others. Over 12,000 solders lost because they were gay? How sad.
In the same time period, how many soldiers and sailors were expelled because they were pregnant? About 40,000, though I cannot learn precisely how many because there is no political action committee for pregnant GIs.
There is no pregnant-GI mafia cutting deals and making payoffs in the back rooms of Washington DC. There are no Rachel Maddow types critiquing the wisdom of the Congress or the Pentagon. In short, gays are advancing because like Obama, they don't care how.
If Hindsight Is "20/20," What Is Foresight... "60 Minutes?"
I think it's fine rhetoric to boil the whole DADT controversy down to a 1960s civil rights moment, a black-and-white-drinking-fountain moment, a Selma March moment, but so far as logic is concerned the metaphor doesn't take.
Shown retrospectively as a fifty-years-forward flashback, I suspect that this is one of the moments people began to realize that the whole USA brand had become a bit overblown.
In the world of 2061, all of the federal debt of the United States of America has long been retired, not because it was easy to do so, but because it became an absolute necessity to do so. Governments can no longer print paper money in good faith. The gov't has spun off Social Security and Medicare into huge private enterprises which are strictly voluntary. Costs and benefits have been contained, but retirement age is now 75.
The permanent Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard are volunteer services, but military service in the Reserves is mandatory for able-bodied persons aged 18 to 30. The population is now 850 million, and the USA has 65 states and possessions including former Canada and the northern tier of Mexico which is now called the Sombrero.
Europe, the Middle East, and Japan still have US military bases because they pay for them. China and Russia are free nations.
Korea is reunified. Iran was lost in World War III and is still officially abandoned - a blank spot on the map. Iraq still exists; it's hot, it's not particularly wealthy, and the oil ran out 10 years ago. The wealthier nations in the Middle East are declining. Oil is no longer providing a significant income because the people who want it can't pay enough. The USA and 50 other nations have shifted to nuclear fusion and shale oil, so our cars, trucks and trains are almost all electric now.
Americans paid their government debt, and they enjoy a high but not incredibly high standard of living. Health costs have peaked because the gov't is out of the game; same as the postal service, same as Social Security. But the federal gov't plays a very large role.
So -- to be American is to have two jobs; the one you work at, and the one that works at you (meaning the military). For a lot of people, the war is just another cubicle job.
At the front they run the tanks, and way back at the back they run the buildings.
There are no civil rights as they were once known. If you're black, if you're a woman, if you're Asian, if you're a green monster from Mars (j/k, there's no Martians) nobody cares and more importantly nobody cares that anybody cares. Nobody gets special treatment because it's stupid -- not because it's racist or sexist or what-not. There's no room for stupid because no matter your job, there's a worse one.
When you get reserved at 18, you get a computer chip implanted. They know where you are, where you were, where you go, what you do. So you don't get into trouble, or if you're stupid, you do get into trouble. The military finds out very quickly who is stupid. So -- if you're smart you work, if you're stupid you work and work and work.
Every country that has gays in the military has troubles with them, and they start with the troublemaker.
They tell you up front, you may be gay, that's okay, but for twelve years you are straight gay. You don't screw, you don't get screwed, The traveling military is going places you don't want to go, and if you screw around you will get the worst, most menial cleaning jobs. In some countries you'll shoot at people; in some countries you'll hand out food; and in some countries you'll do anything and I mean you'll deliver the mail, build roads, or work as a doctor. No, really, a doctor.
"One difference between today and fifty years ago is, education. You get two weeks off in the summer; that's it. When you're 15 you take the college test, and if you pass, you can go to college, and if you fail, you can go to hell. You don't 'drop out.' There are no jobs you can want if you can't get into college."
"Since the war, the mass hunger is over. 'Everyone works, everyone eats' is the plan now. There are no unions, very few lawyers, and government workers don't make more money than average Joes."
Sheila is 70,
"We always thought that electric would be cheaper than gas used to be, We thought the prices would go back down, but they never did. Don't get me wrong, I don't miss gasoline. I miss the low prices."
"I said, 'African-American? What? No, no. My family is American. We belong here. There's nothing African about me.' Nobody has ever treated me differently because of what I look like. Or anybody I know. I have dark skin. I'm black. [Laughs,] Open your damn eyes!"
Mark is 32.
"I got reserved in '47. Yes, I'm gay. I decided to go full Army, and you know, it worked for me. Knowing that they know... everything... made it easier for me to keep the discipline."
"What the people and the government had to know was that the Qu'ran and the Islam were our truth and our beliefs and Allah our God -- but no religion has a place in justifying harm, or cruelty, or death to others."
"It's hard for me to deal considering everyone I know has been lo-jacked by the gov't. I mean, they know where you are all the time and it goes back to the second you got the implant. They say you can shut it off when your time is up but do they? How do we know?
"Yes, my son got the chip the day he was born. Of course. We're not gonna take a chance on losing him. I know it's a damned double standard."
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Martin is 46.
"The generation before me had real freedom, low taxes, opportunity, cheap energy, peace, and they spent up a trainload of debt. My generation gave up freedoms, suffered high taxes, less opportunity, expensive energy, a horrible war, and repaid all of that debt. Today the taxes are low again, the opportunity is back, the world is more peaceful, and the debt is gone. That's four out of six. My children are living my dreams for me."
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Tom, 70.
"Thomas Jefferson never had a phone bill, never had a credit card, never qualified for Social Security, never paid an energy tax, and the government has not one record of his fingerprints, voiceprint, or DNA. He left office and instead of America giving him a house, he gave America his house. I don't care how low taxes are. This fascist crap makes me sick. And I can't run to Canada because there is no Canada. Whatever this is, it most certainly is not the USA."
"The generation before me had real freedom, low taxes, opportunity, cheap energy, peace, and they spent up a trainload of debt. My generation gave up freedoms, suffered high taxes, less opportunity, expensive energy, a horrible war, and repaid all of that debt. Today the taxes are low again, the opportunity is back, the world is more peaceful, and the debt is gone. That's four out of six. My children are living my dreams for me."
"Thomas Jefferson never had a phone bill, never had a credit card, never qualified for Social Security, never paid an energy tax, and the government has not one record of his fingerprints, voiceprint, or DNA. He left office and instead of America giving him a house, he gave America his house. I don't care how low taxes are. This fascist crap makes me sick. And I can't run to Canada because there is no Canada. Whatever this is, it most certainly is not the USA."
After watching a 10-minute love letter from Rachel Maddow to ousted former Lieutenant Dan Choi, dozens of viewers chimed in, with comments that were generally (1) mini-affirmations or attacks utilitizing words like "rock" or "suck," (2) trite observations that betray a lack of understanding of the subject matter, (3) ad hominem attacks on other commenters, or (4) arguments that lapse into contradiction for want of sense.
Should I abandon the conversation here and now, believing that (1) nobody will read it or gain insight from it, or (2) it is stale and Congress has acted to repeal DADT anyway, or (3) the pretend consensus disagrees with my arguments, or (3) because I have already posted so much?
Dear Reader has been very kind, I will admit, considering that the "Courage Campaign" moniker posting the video is the opposition, and they are not well-known for tolerance in this matter.
I believe the opposition would like to paint with a broad brush here, suggest that all conservatives, all Christians, all heterosexual advocates are as small-minded as the Rev. Phelps who is probably waving a sign that says "GOD HATES FAGS" in front of the newly-constructed GI Bathhouse in Washington DC.
Well, we are not the same. We have values and principles and opinions and we should be heard, so for now I remain.
Visitors to this page have read my opinions - even though I am not a fan of Dan Choi, who in my estimation should be sitting in a jail cell right now ( ~process~ , remember? ) and similar "news" videos posted to YouTube are in fact fan pages and they will not accept my point of view.
Other YouTube sites are all too willing to accept my verbose opinion because - get this - YouTube, the content owner and the site owner have a business arrangement to make the site owner money from it.
EVEN SO, the site owner *personally* responded negatively to every single post I made, ranging from boos and hisses to catcalls. My sentiments here are the same as there: patient, full of fact, disciplined, polite, never ad hominem, unafraid of verse and humor.
If you read everything I write here, I guarantee that you will learn something new and useful. "Rachel rocks," or "Choi sucks," is third-grade invective and it's unworthy. It's a waste of your time. And this process has helped me.
What "rocks," in the final analysis? Understanding and expressing your point of view; building an argument from coherent points and calling your opponent on his missteps when appropriate; checking your emotion; drawing comparisons in culture, science and literature when it is helpful; holding leaders, opinionmakers, and the scientific community responsible for their actions; leading the fight; not going gentle into that good night.
In 1998 documents were released by Cornell University from the Nuremberg Trials [...] that revealed Nazi plans to eliminate Christianity entirely. The documents cover the Nuremberg trials of leading Nazis and demonstrate the deliberate genocide of Jews during the Holocaust, in which some six million Jews were killed.
" One senior member of the U.S. prosecution team, General William Donovan, as part of his work on documenting Nazi war crimes, compiled large amounts of documentation that the Nazis persecuted Christian Churches."
Their "victory" is hardly a victory for anyone; it is an immensely short-sighted piece of social engineering forced upon us by a lame-duck Congress on a stealth weekend vote just before Christmas.
Everyone who is celebrating this act should shudder at the process error Congress committed to do it. This is not transparency; this is not change. Obama has become Herod Antipas, and he now delivers the head of John the Baptist on a plate.
Readers: Be on notice that the US Senate is considering a number of bills during the outgoing ("lame duck") session which have a far-better chance for passage now than predicted in the 112th Congress.
Among those is S.4023, a repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell," which unfortunately is not a repeal of the 1993 Clinton defense directive restricting the military from asking and appealing to gays not to tell, but which is functionally a delayed-action repeal of 10 USC 654 which codifies our views.
S.4023 establishes a pathway to deletion of the "findings" codified in 10 USC 654, once 60 days have passed and some papework has been worked; It posits the sense that it cannot be used as a defense of gay marriage, to confer benefits to gay partners, as a defense in ongoing trials, but of course we should expect all of these things.
Tail-lights, not headlights, are being used to illuminate the halls of Congress as Democrats will be packing and leaving in the House, and I am seeing red.
Kimchi
danballair 1 week ago
The us military has a good ole boy system that ruins people lives over lies and bullshit.
veeseee128 1 month ago
what is it chaptered under,.. personality disorder?
veeseee128 1 month ago
You sign up knowing the law and agreed with it ,
ekjohndeer 1 month ago
@ekjohndeer he enlisted with the oath to defend and support Constitution.
DavidDayPraise 1 month ago
dan choi is awesome i knew him from 4th grade through high schoo! hes proably the most famnous person from my hs class. he sure stands up for what he beleaves he. rather you agree or disagree with him. hes a great guy.
movieman104 4 months ago 8
what's the connection of being gay or lesbian with their service? stupid government! go choi! i salute you
olpe79 4 months ago
straight people should be kicked out of the military for being straight.
mosstick 4 months ago
I just got an email saying that Daniel Choi is facing 6 months in prison or a $5,000 for a protest outside the White House several months ago. I just hope Daniel Choi now understands and realizes that during his time in Iraq and Afghanistan that he was fighting for our freedoms in the wrong FUCKING country.
biorgymd 4 months ago
@biorgymd
Although I would of course applaud any jail time for Daniel Choi, there is basically no hope of this, He has become a rock star of the degenerate community and as such will avoid serious punishment during this hellbound administration.
The joy of religion, the focus on the Hereafter instead of the Here, does provide some solace in that all of the secular confusion just disappears in the presence of God, who has already ruled on gays and gay marriage and LGBT and so forth.
jessemckay 4 months ago
But then, in fourteen months and four days we have the election, and in sixteen months and nineteen days we have the inauguration, and if God will permit us to cast off the Obamanation we hopefully will have a good chance to shrug off the glue-sniffers, the wingnuts, and these horrible things will come to an end.
Of course, this much is not certain either. Help us, O God.
jessemckay 4 months ago
can't stand either fag
chati16 5 months ago
You just made our entire society worthless. You have just ruled out 90 percent of voters. And explain what morally straight means, but 90% of voters are not well educated. So what are you arguing now?
dynem216 6 months ago
@dynem216
Don't get me wrong -- those elementary and junior high school test scores are lousy, but the college students are the best in the world and there are an awful lot of them.
But you don't have to be a scientific person, or a genius, or have a Master's degree in English Literature to be a good voter. It takes the Marxist schools or universities months or years to indoctrinate our kids, but usually a few years working in the private sector fixes that.
jessemckay 5 months ago
American voters have an extra responsibility because America has been given so much power.
Post-WWI Germany was a wreck. Its economy was in the dumper, they had buried so many dead, and yet the rest of Europe wanted reparations. Even though the Kaiser was gone, civilian government restored, and in just a few years the economy returned, the people were wanting in morals. Never was the ordinary German more fixated on corruption and debauchery.
jessemckay 5 months ago
In order to understand Germany in the 1930s, one must examine German society in the 1920s. They were corrupt, they were angry, they wanted a scapegoat, and when Hitler proffered Jews and Poles and Czechs, why, they were content to believe. It didn't bother them when the little man with the Charlie Chaplin mustache sidestepped civilian law and seized power. The Reichstag moment was a time when nobody was watching the watchers. And very soon after that it became too late.
jessemckay 5 months ago
Americans are so entrenched in the world that if we permit a Hitler, or a Tojo, or an Obama to seize power and set the wrecking ball in motion, nobody could stop it. We are close to that today.
The common student needs to understand the machinations not only of the republic for which they stand -- but also of the little dictator; what he wants, how he achieves it, how he keeps operating.
Before he was elected to office, Adolf Hitler wasn't a general. He was just a community organizer.
jessemckay 5 months ago
I'm not asking for anything that I shouldn't have already. And as far as I'm concerned, all of you nay-sayers can eat your own hearts out. The repeal on DADT is on its deathbed, and we won, rightly so. So any one who has a problem with it, wright to your senator, those of you that know how, and then quit your jobs and move to the middle east, or Africa, you will find like-minded comrades there.
dynem216 6 months ago
Us gays that are demanding rights aren't the ones that are having hundreds of sexual partners a year. Every minority has that small group of people that gives the whole minority a bad name. Here in Denver we have a large group of Hispanic people. Not all of them are bad people. The people who come here legally, get jobs and support their families are welcome, but the few that come here and get on welfare and suck resources are bad. The bad ones ruin what the legal ones are trying to accomplish.
dynem216 6 months ago
@dynem216
"Us gays that are demanding rights aren't the ones that are having hundreds of sexual partners a year. "
An immaterial point. "In for a penny, in for a pound," is the rubric here. Assigning group rights here and there is a social tinkering that is a dangerous power for government to have. At the core of American values is its innate ability to improve because the people correct the government. In order to do this, the people must be morally straight and well-educated.
jessemckay 6 months ago
Government entry into education has all but guaranteed mediocre teachers, and union debauchery has helped change American test scores into the scourge of the First World. We spend the most, and we get the least.
In every possible way, the youth in the USA are being sexually exploited and force-fed toxic messages about social order. Teenagers listen to gangsta rap,,, are we surprised when they begin to take some of those messages to heart? Universities are dens of Marxists and mullahs.
jessemckay 6 months ago
Are we surprised with huge "demonstrations" against the war in Iraq or against Israel, which have tens of thousands of students and Commie-led student groups -- and virtually no one else?
But once again, I digress.
We dished up "civil rights" as a means to atone for slavery, and for a set of further wrongs done by Democrats called Jim Crow laws.
Now, of course, Hispanics want special group rights. We don't owe Mexicans a dime, but... politicians start handing out the candy...
jessemckay 6 months ago
... and they don't know when to stop, because group rights are like candy. Sugary sweet, but not particularly good for you.
There are always idiot brigades out there screaming human rights this, and animal rights that, and Gandhi done hit me with a wiffle-ball bat. These are the agitators, and they agitate because it works. We should pay them no attention.
We know what rights are. Our rights came from God. We can't improve rights by papering them over and making stupid litle compacts.
jessemckay 6 months ago
I'm serious. We were born into this world, endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are among those rights. Property rights, I would argue, are in that list.
God did not endow you with the right to sodomy. Pumping butts, fisting cracks, oh geez, what in the world gave you the idea that something holy should be corrupted like that?
jessemckay 6 months ago
Good laws are simple. Everyone can understand them. People can essentially agree to be bound by them, because that's what laws do -- they bind us. You can spot a bad law a mile away because it's huge and convoulted. This "Obamacare" thing -- terrible law. I understand it takes three pages just to say "Louisiana."
Our constitution is nice and tight, with 27 amendments. Mexico's constitution has 136 articles. It's a real doozy; you should take a look.
jessemckay 6 months ago
"In for a penny, in for a pound."
You can't 'deserve' your rights. You can't work hard all day, every day to 'earn' your rights. You have them and they are inviolable -- or you don't, and never did.
There is no sense in pleading for the cause of gay rights saying that you should have them because you're only moderately gay (say, 10 sex partners/year instead of 100). Gay rights, if conferred, would apply to the most extreme case.
God didn't create gay rights, so they are worthless.
jessemckay 6 months ago
@jessemckay the people who tried to get out were weak minded individuals, who wanted to break a commitment that they signed up for. As for Klinger in M*A*S*H, hey was trying to get out as INSANE, the episode where they had him checked out by a shrink he told them he was not gay. Get your facts right before you use them as an example. As for us "tribes" asking to be accommodated, as any memner of a minority will tell you, these are basic HUMAN rights.
dynem216 6 months ago
@dynem216
My comment was: "... quite a few men have put on dresses to avoid fighting in war," and I cited TV's M*A*S*H and the character Klinger as an example, albeit a fictional stereotype and a contrived one at that (in later seasons, after the departure of Walter "Radar" O'Reilly, Klinger replaced O'Reilly as clerk, straightened out, made Sergeant, and at the show's finale marries a beautiful Korean girl named Soon-Lee portrayed by Rosalind Chao.)
jessemckay 6 months ago
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jessemckay 6 months ago
I stand by my reporting of then-Corporal Klinger and his motives; I believe that I used the example correctly and in context; and I also personally feel that the comment was worthy of note -- though you are free to disagree on that point; you might find it trivial; but, thus far, though I suspect thousands of people have used the "gay" dodge to leave the military for convenience, the US news media has not put a face on this phenomena.
jessemckay 6 months ago
@dynem216
Plus, the correct citation was "demand", not "ask," to be accommodated.
I find it insulting and racist to conflate gay rights with civil rights. We humbled a race of people by tolerating the condition of slavery on our shores for 87 years. We compounded the fault by only allowing black slavery, and by concentrating it in the South. The North was subsidized and became industrial and even today has higher wages.
jessemckay 6 months ago
The federal government should have banned slavery and should have bought out every slaveholder in America at the founding of the nation. It was the only morally straight thing to do, and our Founding Fathers kicked the can down the road instead of addressing the problem.
The problem only got worse and worse, as Congress kept making compromise after weird compromise deciding which new states could be "slave" and which could be "free", and the Civil War brought us to the brink of collapse.
jessemckay 6 months ago
Slavery was America's birth defect. Even after 150 years, remnants of slavery (quotas, positive discrimination, racial politics, lawsuits, etc.) remind us that all is not well.
But sodomy and slavery are not the same.
jessemckay 6 months ago
By the way, I am gay, and joining the Air Force, and what I want is the RIGHT to not have to lie about who I am. I don't want to wear a dress to fight a war, I just demand to be allowed to be who I am, and serve my country. At the same time, I am fighting for your RIGHT to be a homophobic bigot.
dynem216 6 months ago
@dynem216
Until fairly recently, quite a few men have put on dresses to avoid fighting in war (e.g.., Klinger in TV's M*A*S*H). It has been suggested that many of the 14,000+ expelled from the Armed Forces "for being gay" since 1993 were really just tired of their hitch and took advantage of an easy way out.
It's disappointing to say the least that smaller and smaller groups of people (tribes, if you would) demand that the world change to accommodate them in greater and greater ways.
jessemckay 6 months ago
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jessemckay 6 months ago
I really don't understand why so many people are homophobic. I'm an American, a supposedly free country, where I can live a semi happy life. The only reason I can't live a totally happy life is because of a few homophobic people who are usually just ignorant pricks. You people (meaning the ignorant homophobic) just want someone to hate. First it was black people(which a lot of you still seem to hate, even though the worst of them are still superior to you in every way.)
dynem216 6 months ago
@dynem216
First, the word homophobic was coined by a 1970s author describing the guilt or self-loathing or worries straight people have about their own pseudo-gay proclivities. The word does not belong to gays. I think we should take it back.
Second, you attack America's freedom when you declare that we don't have any, and that's a poor position for any soldier to take. This is a fantastic, amazing country, and if you don't think it's special, maybe you won't be willing to die for it.
jessemckay 5 months ago
Third, the tirade against Americans as being pro-slave is ignorant. Tisquantum (aka "Squanto") was probably the first person in the Americas enslaved by a white man, and he was not black. The first documented state--sanctioned slaveholder in America was a black man named Anthony Johnson.
jessemckay 5 months ago
Fourth, preconceived notions about race, ethnicity, national origin were certainly indigenous to the Old World and the New Testament idea promulgated in the Declaration of Independence clearly states that "all men are created equal, and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights". That's the immortal declaration, and in time, all of these notions about Jews, Scotsmen, Dutchmen, Irishmen, Finns, Norwegians, Frenchmen, Indians, and Africans became settled.
jessemckay 5 months ago
This dude is a total FAKE! ...Fucker got kicked because he insulted the President of the United States of America over the radio a national syndicated one at that, not because he's been gay.
Sileni 6 months ago
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415jln 7 months ago
I'm in the Army & if anybody thinks we are goin to take orders from a sick queer like this, well you better think again. 2012 isn't that far away & the great African witch doctor in the White House will have the voters & he can't win with blacks & queers only!
g55coffia 7 months ago
Dan..I just watched you on Msnbc tonight and Im sorry me to hear you put down President Obama the way you did tonight! You say that you will not help him get re-elected. Well if you think you have problems now...you just sit back and allow the Republicans to take over.. not only will you NOT get to have the equality that you are fighting for...they will repeal DADT! You try pulling this country out of the shit hole that it's in right now and have the other side fighting against you too!
MzzVal 7 months ago
@MzzVal
I definitely do not support Dan Choi's activist actions; I see him as petty, self-minded, and an opportunist. I disagree with your attitude toward Republicans and the nation.
If you think that Dan Choi's floundering about and braggadoccio about "not helping Obama get re-elected" is playing right into the hands of your so-called conservative opposition, well...
,,, my reasoned opinion is that you are correct on that point.
jessemckay 6 months ago
Choi has been blathering about gay-rights this and gay-marriage that. Well, it's on now.
Your side is going to have to win every election cycle from now until the end of time, because if you miss just one of them, the opposition is going to roll back everything you think you won in the biggest repeal you have ever seen in your lifetime. They are going to hit like a tidal wave. You'll wake up every day, turn on the tube or the YouTube and you'll say what-the-bleep happened.
Like we do now.
jessemckay 6 months ago
so gay
acct445 7 months ago
Obama, that goddamn goddamn faggot sympathizer!
WildManChris2000 8 months ago
@WildManChris2000 We assume your use of the pejorative invective is intended to inflame the passions of gay people to make them irrationally embrace the idea of becoming professional trained killers for ExxonMobil, etc. Noted.
zooooooperdooooooper 7 months ago
its so childish to pay attention to someones sexual orientation, men f women in the ass and then critisize men for doing it to men and women too critisize men for liking it,
its retarded. The bible is a lie, its comes from towel heads and deserves to die with Osama bin ladin.
tomebaden 8 months ago 3
kill charlie !
00camaro71 8 months ago
not saying anuything about one's sexual orientation is not lying......
do heterosexuals stick out their hands and "hi.... i am john (jack, bob or whatever,
and i am heterosexual? why is it so important for some, not all gay people that everyone within 300 mile radius must know they are gay?
gyreenedoc 8 months ago
@gyreenedoc Straight people tell everybody they are straight all the time. They speak openly of their sexual partners or the sexual partners they would like to have. You have a problem with gay people doing the same, you ignorant slut.
funboy7979 8 months ago
@funboy7979 no you moron, i have no problem with gays. you seem to....
i am, os my handle says I served as a combat medic with the USMC (did you ever hear
marines sometimes referred as gyreens?) i am a man, bottom boy.
gyreenedoc 8 months ago
@gyreenedoc You just told him you want gay people to shut up about being gay, and be like you think straight people are and not reveal their sexual orientation. He very carefully explained how straight people are continually revealing their sexual orientation by talking about their partners, families, sexual desires, etc. You don't think gay people should be allowed to do the same. Noted.
zooooooperdooooooper 7 months ago
@zooooooperdooooooper are you saying EVERY heterosexual talk about..........?? that is idiotic. i don't know
which planet you live but........ my sexual behavior or orientation are no ones' business-- period!
if you want to advertise you are gay... it is your business but....... there are tons of people who has some
sorts of problem with homosexuality. so they will discriminate, call you names etc. as long as you understand that point.... go right ahead.
gyreenedoc 7 months ago
@gyreenedoc
I am not aware of "straight-dar," nor do I believe there is such a phrase in the "straight community," if there is one of those.
In a recent survey of gay men, one question asked, "How many sex partners have you had in the past year?"
The median response given was twenty. Some were over one hundred.
We can't know who is lying, who is telling the truth, or who is exaggerating. We can't control what love is or does... or approve of couplings disguised as relationships.
jessemckay 7 months ago
@jessemckay what is "straight-dar"?
gyreenedoc 7 months ago
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415jln 9 months ago
LT. DAN!!! YOU HAVE NO LEGS.
eXpLiiiSiT 9 months ago
Thats incredible beacause just today he came to our school and i met him. He signed my book and my hand. he is realllly sweet and i have alot of respect for standing up for not only him but others, and being gay shouldnt affect others beacause its doin them no harm. MUCH LOVE DAN CHOI MUCH LOVE! hope to meet u again
Mrssweety428 9 months ago
@Mrssweety428 Did he give you a cookie too? Do you know that his business is killing little kids like in your school if they happen to live in the wrong country?
funboy7979 9 months ago 9
@funboy7979 no? but he waas really nice and friendly. I LOVE GAYY PEople!
Mrssweety428 9 months ago
Such a tiny, anomalous, exceptional minority of gays have any desire to join the military, yet somehow mainstream media millionaire talking head shills keep hammering away that this is at the forefront of the gay community's concerns. Who owns the media pushing this lie? Defense contractor GE, which owns NBC and pays Rachel Maddow's salary for one.
zooooooperdooooooper 9 months ago 5
Anybody like Rachel Maddow taking millions from NBC/GE immediately loses credibility. GE profits from Pentagon government defense contracts. Out lesbian Rachel Maddow takes millions from GE to tell gays they want to serve openly in the military, using GE's weapons to kill little brown people so ExxonMobil can steal their country's oil. Maddow has sold her soul. Makeup on a butch lesbian looks ridiculous. Maddow is one confused hot mess who like Obama is paid to glibly spread disinformation.
zooooooperdooooooper 9 months ago 10
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@zooooooperdooooooper Hollywood and US media in general are full of gays who take the money to spread disinformation propaganda. Maddow is no different.
"Anybody like Rachel Maddow taking millions from NBC/GE immediately loses credibility. GE profits from Pentagon government defense contracts. Out lesbian Rachel Maddow takes millions from GE to tell gays they want to serve openly in the military, using GE's weapons to kill little brown people so ExxonMobil can steal their country's oil."
funboy7979 8 months ago
Bill Hicks: "Gays want to be in the military. Here's how I feel about it, alright? ANYONE... DUMB enough to want to be in the military, should be allowed in. End of fuckin' story. That should be the only requirement. I don't care how many push-ups you can do, put on a helmet, go wait in that fox-hole, we'll tell you when we need you to kill somebody."
taylorcurtishamilton 9 months ago 7
@taylorcurtishamilton Great line. Hicks was wrong about one thing though -- "gays" (implying most gays) do not want to be in the military. Most gays are too smart, too progressive, too humanitarian for that. It's only self-appointed "gay" organizations and "gay" spokespersons pushing gays in the military and gay marriage. There is no gay community holding gay organizations or gay spokespeople accountable for their actions. Maddow is paid millions by gay-hostile G.E./NBC. Not credible.
funboy7979 9 months ago 9
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zooooooperdooooooper 9 months ago
@funboy7979 I have met many "representatives" of "gay" organizations over the years. They are never part of what you know as your gay community, never know anybody you know, never indicate they want to get to know you, never represent anything you or your friends feel or believe. Yet they presume to tell the world what you and all other gay people want. I don't know any gay people who want to get married or kill for the military. "Gay spokespeople" say gays want to be government pawns.
zooooooperdooooooper 9 months ago 9
Maddow not just pushes the lie that the average gay wants gay marriage to be licensed and monitored by state governments, but also registered with the IRS, the enforcement arm of the "Federal Reserve" organized crime syndicate. Maddow's job is to get gays/lesbians to believe they are fighting valiantly to be included in the herd of sheep being led to slaughter comprising the general straight population. Or did you think G.E. pays an individual millions to express whatever pops into her head?
walterglanz 9 months ago 7
Rachel Maddow is paid millions by G.E. to make the illusion of the Republican-Democrat democracy charade seem plausible to upscale educated gays and lesbians and gay-friendly young professionals. She also reinforces the lie put forth by highly-paid professional "gay rights advocacy" organizations that the issues uppermost in the mind of the average gay person are the right to be out while killing for ExxonMobil & having gay marriage licensed & monitored by state governments. G.E. blood money.
walterglanz 9 months ago 7
Once this "struggle for gays in the military" is "won" by the "gay community," a re-instituted draft will not exclude gay people. There is no gay community, only a number of organizations claiming to be lobbying for gay rights, who target people on gay mailing lists for donations, who tell gay people that goons like the Clintons are their friends, but mostly it comes down to hired guns screaming for gay marriage and gays in the military, two issues mostly benefiting a tiny minority of lesbians.
zooooooperdooooooper 10 months ago 15
Obama makes genocidal war for empire, like everything else he orders, so palatable and reasonable. He's more pernicious than Bush.
zooooooperdooooooper 10 months ago 11
Wow, apparently YOU aren't very smart there zoo...perdoo...per, he's fluent in Arabic, and a lieutenant. what do you do for a living? flip burgers in McDonalds? The point of this is, I want to serve MY country, and I want to fight FOR my right to believe what I believe, and love who I love. Legally, all we need to have a "legal" war, is the president to say "we are at war"
dynem216 10 months ago
@dynem216 So clever, accusing anyone who disagrees with you on the internet of having a minimum wage job. And original. Never heard that before. Did you just make that up?
funboy7979 10 months ago 11
@dynem216 Millions of children in India are fluent in half a dozen languages. European children three or four languages. If a reasonably intelligent young person is drilled all day for months in a language immersion program such as provided in the military they would have to be intensely dysfunctional not to emerge from it with something like fluency in the language studied. The UN is full of polyglots lacking critical thinking skills and a moral compass. What's your point?
zooooooperdooooooper 10 months ago 14
@zooooooperdooooooper Most kids flipping burgers at MacDonald's in NYC are bilingual. Many trilingual. You are arguing with somebody who grew up at the end of a dirt road who's impressed when some tool on NPR mispronounces *raison d'etre.* It does not matter how many languages a trained killer can spout, he is still selling his soul -- slaughtering little kids and their families for college money, cheap mortgages & health insurance, in the service of war criminal billionaires ...
walterglanz 10 months ago 16
@dynem216
1. The US Constitution declares in Article I, Section VIII, that only Congress shall have the power to declare war.
2. Dan Choi has demonstrated unfitness for service on many occasions and the US military has formally and permanently decided this.
3. My guess is, he'll be trolling the mosques hawking his book about how he [bleeped] the Army. It reads better in the original Arabic.
jessemckay 6 months ago
4. You profess to love the country, but in some ways the values, the morals, and the ethos are at odds with the way you choose to live your life. Millions of people came here with strange languages and customs, and they had to choose between living as tribes, kept apart from the others, or putting all that aside and saying, I want to be American and live as Americans live; or painfully altering America somehow to fit their ideals. You can deal with this, or you can deal with that.
jessemckay 6 months ago
Dan Choi is a fucking moron, why does he fight and insist on risking his life for a country that would love to see a bullet in his brain. An gay man, and a gay ASIAN man no less. This guy is practically everything america despises, ridicules, and scorns. Yet he still insist on joining the military to advance America's mercantilistic agenda. A true white man's bitch...amazing
takadi 10 months ago
gay charlie
00camaro71 10 months ago
People who disagree with the war can't get out of the military, but if you agree and want to go, but say you are gay, then you are kicked out...anyone else find this a little odd.
GumboWatches 10 months ago
Wait until they re-institute the draft. It could happen s overnight you know. Gays won't get a deferment, nor will emo str8 boys be able to get out of it by pretending to be gay. This shit has unintended consequences. I do not know one gay person who cares about serving in the military. It's an issue pushed by corporate millionaire shills like Maddow and other babbling lens lice purporting to represent the mythical gay "community."
zooooooperdooooooper 11 months ago 18
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@zooooooperdooooooper Hi nice to meet you, I'm a lesbian and I care very much if I am allowed to serve in the military or not. There hun you have meet one gay person that care if they can serve in the military. By the way its not the military that is evil, its the people ordering them to fight. Please remember there is a difference between a solider that is sacrificing for the country and the politician that sends them to war, get angry at the right people please.
fireflygirl246 11 months ago
@fireflygirl246 No, I actually have not now met "one gay person that care (sic) if they (sic) can serve in the military." I have only read the anonymous retyping of cliche propaganda. That's different. If what you write is true, then you have a steady position in a community where you can hook up like crazy and get great benefits in exchange for slaughtering little brown people on behalf of mega-corporations who want to rape their country. Congratulations. Feel like a man now?
zooooooperdooooooper 10 months ago 12
@zooperdoper no actually I feel like a woman, but thank you for asking. first my military dose not go all around the world killing brown people, up until you yanks dragged us into Afghanistan we primarily were sent in to protect those brown people, look up Canadian peacekeepers. I also find it so funny that people make judgments about people in the military with out knowing anything about it, I'm sure True Duty Horror are just words to you, they mean more to me, you ignorant fuck.
fireflygirl246 10 months ago
@fireflygirl246 Whoop-dee-do. Legally openly gay in the US military means butch lesbians can flex their muscles and murder kids in Afghanistan without fear of losing their steady paychecks, room & board, excellent benefits, and pensions. The same for butch queens. The US all-volunteer army can recruit more cannon fodder and trained killers. When the draft is re-instituted, women & fem gays will not be exempt. Princesses and queens will be forced to join the pagan ritual blood sacrifice.
funboy7979 10 months ago 12
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@funboy7979 The draft will never be re-instated. it would take a vote BY THE PEOPLE. and stop arguing out of both sides of your mouth. People don't want to join the Military to kill "kids" as you say. they do it to make sure you have the right to open your ignorent little mouth and spout off ignorant little half ideas.
dynem216 10 months ago
@dynem216 Rah rah and wave the flag, Sparky. You're just your own little parade aren't you? Turning the draft on or off was never put to a vote, and there's no provision in place that it ever will be. Haven't you learned that since 911 things can change overnight with a glib speech to justify it all? Gays in the military are such a tiny minority of gays. Most gay people are too smart, humanitarian, politically savvy, etc. to want to slaughter innocents for ExxonMobil & the Carlyle Group.
funboy7979 10 months ago 11
@dynem216 Lies. The draft was never voted on by the people and there is no law that says it ever will be. Two questions for you: a) how much do your masters pay you to retype this disinformation over and over and, b) what do their withered old peens taste like?
zooooooperdooooooper 10 months ago 12
@fireflygirl246 Keep on killing little kids. Live the dream.
zooooooperdooooooper 10 months ago 2
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Between these two Over the Top Queers and Queens " GAYS " Anonomuous or how ever you want to portray these two Fuc*in Weirdo's, I think I want to Puke in the Street. Choi is so FULL BLOWN GAY LIKE MADDOW ...and if nobody couldn't see this you must be a Damn Stevie Wonder with Ear Plugs. Shit is this a Freak Show or What?
BabylonsKing 1 year ago
@BabylonsKing A gay man tells an openly gay lesbian that he is gay, and you notice that they are both gay? My, my you are a perceptive one.
funboy7979 1 year ago 21
I have zero respect for Dan Choi. The US has conducted no legal wars for generations. If you are too stupid to understand that then you are a child. If you do understand that and pursue a military career anyway you deserve whatever you get. Dan Choi strikes me as a shameless opportunist and pawn for somebody else's ugly agenda. He surely is not the brightest bulb. He's just another pretty face -- oops, guess not even that.
zooooooperdooooooper 1 year ago 41
@zooooooperdooooooper
I take issue with the "legal war" descriptor.
For about 100 years, the USA has been a sort of 11th Commandment - "Thou Shalt Not Get Away With It."
Germany wanted Europe. We intervened. When Part II opened, Germany wanted Europe and Japan wanted China. Once Korea was free from Japan, China wanted a friendly puppet-type regime there. We denied them the South. Then China wanted a friendly regime in Vietnam, and we held them off for 10 years.
jessemckay 1 year ago
Various US foreign policies have used words like engagement, containment, diplomacy, arms treaties, detente, SALT, and START. We have supported friends and opposed foes. Blood has been shed, dictators deposed, free elections held. It's been rocky.
I think it is pretentious to singularly opine that America is guilty without acknowledging that America signs treaties and keeps them, while the other signatories break them continually. The USSR, China, NKorea, Iraq have all broken treaties.
jessemckay 1 year ago
IMHO the clearest violation of logic is the presumption that all of the invisible political boundaries on the world's maps are in some way sacrosanct, that is, where the USA is concerned. (Remember what I said about Iceland.) Iraq can steal Kuwait, bomb Israel, and move against Saudi Arabia, but how dare the USA want to do anything about it? ("OMG! Blood for oil!") And how many nuclear treaties and armistice agreements does Kim Jong-Il have to break before serious actions are taken?
jessemckay 1 year ago
@jessemckay Oh, Gloria, don't be so naive.
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jessemckay 1 year ago
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Furthermore, the question of "illegal" begs the question of jurisdiction. What body exercises jurisdiction over the United States? There is no United Federation of Planets, no Galactic Empire, no Earth Council.
The UN, which has done a very good job of giving American tax dollars to poor countries, and a lousy job of pretty much everything else, does not have veto over the USA, and the USA does have veto power at the UN.
jessemckay 1 year ago
Our colonial ancestors fought the Crown, and we have to accept the Hague? Not!
I am not a citizen of the world. I am a citizen of the United States of America, and I have no loyalty, fealty, or responsibility to Ban Ki-moon. The USSR broke SALT I, SALT II, and Russia has broken START; and as for China, it has broken everything from Non-Nuclear Proliferation Treaty all the way down to international fishing.
jessemckay 1 year ago
@zooooooperdooooooper very well written and I totally agree.
Jamzkangster 8 months ago
@zooooooperdooooooper excuse me, i would totally do dan choi
TheDESTROLYS 8 months ago
@TheDESTROLYS Ew.
zooooooperdooooooper 7 months ago
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zooooooperdooooooper 1 year ago
Always the glaring disconnect on this issue: America's wars are illegal, imperialistic, for oil, genocidal ... but gays supposed righteous fight to become trained killers in the service of war criminal politicians is always celebrated. Rachel Maddow does not speak for gays and lesbians. Dan Choi does not speak for gays and lesbians. Self-appointed gay groups do not speak for gays and lesbians. Mainstream media commentators job is to prop up with babble the illusion of democracy.
funboy7979 1 year ago 64
@funboy7979 Can't tackle all iisues at once, idealism sometimes must bend, if hopefully, temporarily, to meet the exigencies of politics (reality). I am a *realist*, and support this repeal movement, despite my abhorrence of all forms of war. Your point is well-taken, but pls show me what you would do differently. Construct, not only deconstruct, please try it and see, then respond by post.
gabsylv 1 year ago
@gabsylv Your condescension is noted. As is your profoundly schizophrenic moral compass. I suggest you throw away your tv and have a single, clear, original, common sense thought once in a while.
funboy7979 1 year ago 4
@funboy7979 Movements have to learn to crawl before they can run. Some just dream of running (politics) perfectly and criticize others who do it. Armschair theorists. So easy to be consistent and morally spotless when all you do is moan and criticize those who get their hands dirty while you keep yours in your intellectual Palmolive. No politics here, folks, just empty discourse! Condescension, or in fact, any energy, is wasted here. Meanwhile, we march on and do your work for you.
gabsylv 1 year ago
@gabsylv March on, lemming, march on ...
funboy7979 1 year ago 4
@gabsylv What are you babbling about, Sparky? Your comment is nothing but a laundry list of bromides, and tag you as captain of some weird pep club. Becoming a trained killer in the service of genocidal maniacs is hardly an admirable aspiration, nor an acceptable stepping stone until something better comes along. Two tip-offs that you are a propaganda drone shill: addressing your imagined audience as "folks," and excoriating commentators for doing what is expected of them -- commenting.
bc9021010001 1 year ago 5
@funboy7979
The USA is imperialistic? Where are the colonies?
Wars are fought "for oil?" Wars have been fought for land, for gold and treasure, for slavery, for retribution, or as the last mad act of a despot. We know that oil is used for energy, energy is necessary for economy, we have the largest economy, and the market is fixed by cartel bullies who have created an artificial shortage of oil for about 10 years now following almost 20 years of oil glut.
jessemckay 1 year ago
If you live long enough, experts are saying that you'll witness food wars and water wars in various parts of the world. The rise of Islam has brought back the 21st century version of holy wars; and of course there is the modern terrorist who can act with state-like destruction at discount prices.
So yes, I would rather fight a war for two-dollar gasoline than to eradicate my heretic Sunni neighbors, or against Saddam Hussein's conquest of tiny Kuwait which exemplified use of oil for blood.
jessemckay 1 year ago
@jessemckay Wherever the US military is threatening and killing, there you have empire. Wherever a US corporation is stealing mineral wealth or exploiting labor, there you have empire. Wherever the US has propped up a puppet regime, there you have empire. Good lord, you are as stupid as you are arrogant, aren't you?
funboy7979 1 year ago 5
@funboy7979
The creaky notion that the USA should sit idly by while bad guys do bad things -- not because it can't, mind you, but ~because~ it can -- requires IMHO very much more defense than you have given it.
Perhaps you can set us all straight and explain on what basis you consider the USA to be an empire. Then, please proceed and defend the statements about threatening and killing, stealing mineral wealth and exploiting labor, and propping up puppet regimes.
jessemckay 1 year ago
@jessemckay Just exactly who are the "bad guys?" George Bush's famous "evil doers?" You are a propagandist for jingoism. You must be one who believes America is always right because we have "God on our side?" Or are you one who likes to chant "USA! USA!" because you think global politics is a football game with winner take all? On the topic of the video: it is no victory to win the right to slaughter babies so the rich can get richer.
funboy7979 1 year ago 11
@funboy7979 You see it in the comments about any video about trending political ideas. But I would take it one step further than calling her a propagandist -- I would call her a hack propagandist, as her use of beginner persuasion techniques is so obvious.
I agree that Dan Choi is not inspiring -- he appears confused and self-regarding, more selfish opportunist than idealist. No rational person would fight for the right to become a trained murderer.
bjocelot 1 year ago 9
@funboy7979
"Just exactly who are the 'bad guys?' "
If you would care to posit that "America's the global bad guy," and "none of the other global players has a malevolent thought in their national heads," then what a discussion we could have! And how close you are to saying something like that!
But I've identified the "bad guys" of the 20th century -- countries we had to oppose in a military way -- Germany, Japan, the USSR, China, Iraq, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, and more.
jessemckay 1 year ago
@jessemckay Who are the "bad guys" now, Sparky? In your expert opinion, that is.
funboy7979 1 year ago 16
@jessemckay Why do you make up quotes that nobody said and then debate them with yourself? Why do you fill this comment section with long boring writing samples from your creative writing class? Why do you get really assiduous about this social vandalism when anybody suggests that fighting for equal acceptance in the military is the furthest thing from the minds of most gays and lesbians? Why do you want to stop anybody calling out Maddow for her gross inconsistency on this topic?
zooooooperdooooooper 1 year ago 24
@zooooooperdooooooper
You're suggesting that I am debating myself and you ask you me why.
I ask you the same question.
No, really.
You're certainly welcome to call me out on any of my misstatements or odd arguments and I'm sure there are quite a few. But for all of my flawed, human mistakes, there's only one of me.
How many of you are there?
jessemckay 6 months ago
@zooooooperdooooooper
"[D]ebate... with yourself?"
Funny you should mention that.
Just how many of you are there...?
jessemckay 4 months ago
@jessemckay Propagandist. You don't express an opinion -- you seek to manipulate the group opinion of the general audience here. Hence your reference to yourself in the first person plural as in phrases like "perhaps you can set us all straight," and addressing readers directly in the second person as "folks." This is a rhetorical technique long used by rabble-rousers and demagogues. Plus the fact that you are drowning out any other comments here with your endless off-topic ramblings.
funboy7979 1 year ago 10
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@funboy7979
Oh, so now I'm a "propagandist?" I'll add that to the name-calling stack. And how do I accomplish this -- through personal pronouns? By skillfully and deviously alternating between grammatical persons? At what point does this become ,in any sense, wrong?
The Reader can and should judge my comments on merits. Perhaps I am not researching as well as I should. That's a fair criticism if it can be substantiated.
jessemckay 1 year ago
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But my comments are what they are. If I wanted to manipulate them, as you say, I suppose that I could create a dozen other monikers, and thusly vote up (or reply in concurrence with) my own comments and vote down (or reply in disagreement with) others.
Now that, by any fair standard, is "manipulation" at least and arguably propagandizing. But I live in a land governed by a community organizer who studied Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals." So some people do these things.
(I wonder who?)
jessemckay 1 year ago
@jessemckay Can you actually go and count how many comments that you posted and then tell me? I want to know. I think that you are finally getting to the minds of those that are Gay, and I just wanted to know how many posts that It takes to get to change the minds of people who are actually Gay or not against Gay individuals. Lol. Thanks.
jinwanc 11 months ago
But my comments are what they are. If I wanted to manipulate them, as you say, I suppose that I could create a dozen other monikers, and thusly vote up (or reply in concurrence with) my own comments and vote down (or reply in disagreement with) others.
Now that, by any fair standard, is "manipulation" at least and arguably propagandizing. But I live in a land governed by a community organizer who studied Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals." So some people do these things.
(I wonder who?)
jessemckay 6 months ago
@jessemckay Thank you for the Fox News O'Reilly/Hannity/Limbaugh/Coulter version of world politics. What a valuable service you are performing.
funboy7979 1 year ago 14
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Oh, so now I'm a "propagandist?" I'll add that to the name-calling stack. And how do I accomplish this -- through personal pronouns? By skillfully and deviously alternating between grammatical persons? At what point does this become ,in any sense, wrong?
The Reader can and should judge my comments on merits. Perhaps I am not researching as well as I should. That's a fair criticism if it can be substantiated.
jessemckay 6 months ago
@funboy7979 well spoken...
thereisacockinthesky 1 year ago
These firings are like what was going on in the South oh so many years ago. Our kids, or grandkids, will look back at this and it will be a bit difficult for them to truly understand. Yes, there were people who really believed that basic human rights depended on sexual orientation.
Even today it is hard for me to understand how people can believe that they have the right to impose their beliefs on others. Over 12,000 solders lost because they were gay? How sad.
charlie1der 1 year ago
@charlie1der
In the same time period, how many soldiers and sailors were expelled because they were pregnant? About 40,000, though I cannot learn precisely how many because there is no political action committee for pregnant GIs.
There is no pregnant-GI mafia cutting deals and making payoffs in the back rooms of Washington DC. There are no Rachel Maddow types critiquing the wisdom of the Congress or the Pentagon. In short, gays are advancing because like Obama, they don't care how.
jessemckay 1 year ago
If Hindsight Is "20/20," What Is Foresight... "60 Minutes?"
I think it's fine rhetoric to boil the whole DADT controversy down to a 1960s civil rights moment, a black-and-white-drinking-fountain moment, a Selma March moment, but so far as logic is concerned the metaphor doesn't take.
Shown retrospectively as a fifty-years-forward flashback, I suspect that this is one of the moments people began to realize that the whole USA brand had become a bit overblown.
jessemckay 1 year ago
I'll try to be positive.
In the world of 2061, all of the federal debt of the United States of America has long been retired, not because it was easy to do so, but because it became an absolute necessity to do so. Governments can no longer print paper money in good faith. The gov't has spun off Social Security and Medicare into huge private enterprises which are strictly voluntary. Costs and benefits have been contained, but retirement age is now 75.
jessemckay 1 year ago
The permanent Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard are volunteer services, but military service in the Reserves is mandatory for able-bodied persons aged 18 to 30. The population is now 850 million, and the USA has 65 states and possessions including former Canada and the northern tier of Mexico which is now called the Sombrero.
Europe, the Middle East, and Japan still have US military bases because they pay for them. China and Russia are free nations.
jessemckay 1 year ago
Korea is reunified. Iran was lost in World War III and is still officially abandoned - a blank spot on the map. Iraq still exists; it's hot, it's not particularly wealthy, and the oil ran out 10 years ago. The wealthier nations in the Middle East are declining. Oil is no longer providing a significant income because the people who want it can't pay enough. The USA and 50 other nations have shifted to nuclear fusion and shale oil, so our cars, trucks and trains are almost all electric now.
jessemckay 1 year ago
Americans paid their government debt, and they enjoy a high but not incredibly high standard of living. Health costs have peaked because the gov't is out of the game; same as the postal service, same as Social Security. But the federal gov't plays a very large role.
So -- to be American is to have two jobs; the one you work at, and the one that works at you (meaning the military). For a lot of people, the war is just another cubicle job.
jessemckay 1 year ago
At the front they run the tanks, and way back at the back they run the buildings.
There are no civil rights as they were once known. If you're black, if you're a woman, if you're Asian, if you're a green monster from Mars (j/k, there's no Martians) nobody cares and more importantly nobody cares that anybody cares. Nobody gets special treatment because it's stupid -- not because it's racist or sexist or what-not. There's no room for stupid because no matter your job, there's a worse one.
jessemckay 1 year ago
When you get reserved at 18, you get a computer chip implanted. They know where you are, where you were, where you go, what you do. So you don't get into trouble, or if you're stupid, you do get into trouble. The military finds out very quickly who is stupid. So -- if you're smart you work, if you're stupid you work and work and work.
Every country that has gays in the military has troubles with them, and they start with the troublemaker.
jessemckay 1 year ago
They tell you up front, you may be gay, that's okay, but for twelve years you are straight gay. You don't screw, you don't get screwed, The traveling military is going places you don't want to go, and if you screw around you will get the worst, most menial cleaning jobs. In some countries you'll shoot at people; in some countries you'll hand out food; and in some countries you'll do anything and I mean you'll deliver the mail, build roads, or work as a doctor. No, really, a doctor.
jessemckay 1 year ago
John is 19.
"One difference between today and fifty years ago is, education. You get two weeks off in the summer; that's it. When you're 15 you take the college test, and if you pass, you can go to college, and if you fail, you can go to hell. You don't 'drop out.' There are no jobs you can want if you can't get into college."
jessemckay 1 year ago
Hank is 44.
"Since the war, the mass hunger is over. 'Everyone works, everyone eats' is the plan now. There are no unions, very few lawyers, and government workers don't make more money than average Joes."
Sheila is 70,
"We always thought that electric would be cheaper than gas used to be, We thought the prices would go back down, but they never did. Don't get me wrong, I don't miss gasoline. I miss the low prices."
jessemckay 1 year ago
Kimlee is 65.
"I said, 'African-American? What? No, no. My family is American. We belong here. There's nothing African about me.' Nobody has ever treated me differently because of what I look like. Or anybody I know. I have dark skin. I'm black. [Laughs,] Open your damn eyes!"
Mark is 32.
"I got reserved in '47. Yes, I'm gay. I decided to go full Army, and you know, it worked for me. Knowing that they know... everything... made it easier for me to keep the discipline."
jessemckay 1 year ago
Ahmed is 55.
"What the people and the government had to know was that the Qu'ran and the Islam were our truth and our beliefs and Allah our God -- but no religion has a place in justifying harm, or cruelty, or death to others."
jessemckay 1 year ago
Tony is 35.
"It's hard for me to deal considering everyone I know has been lo-jacked by the gov't. I mean, they know where you are all the time and it goes back to the second you got the implant. They say you can shut it off when your time is up but do they? How do we know?
"Yes, my son got the chip the day he was born. Of course. We're not gonna take a chance on losing him. I know it's a damned double standard."
jessemckay 1 year ago
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Martin is 46.
"The generation before me had real freedom, low taxes, opportunity, cheap energy, peace, and they spent up a trainload of debt. My generation gave up freedoms, suffered high taxes, less opportunity, expensive energy, a horrible war, and repaid all of that debt. Today the taxes are low again, the opportunity is back, the world is more peaceful, and the debt is gone. That's four out of six. My children are living my dreams for me."
jessemckay 1 year ago
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Tom, 70.
"Thomas Jefferson never had a phone bill, never had a credit card, never qualified for Social Security, never paid an energy tax, and the government has not one record of his fingerprints, voiceprint, or DNA. He left office and instead of America giving him a house, he gave America his house. I don't care how low taxes are. This fascist crap makes me sick. And I can't run to Canada because there is no Canada. Whatever this is, it most certainly is not the USA."
jessemckay 1 year ago
Martin is 46.
"The generation before me had real freedom, low taxes, opportunity, cheap energy, peace, and they spent up a trainload of debt. My generation gave up freedoms, suffered high taxes, less opportunity, expensive energy, a horrible war, and repaid all of that debt. Today the taxes are low again, the opportunity is back, the world is more peaceful, and the debt is gone. That's four out of six. My children are living my dreams for me."
jessemckay 6 months ago
Tom, 70.
"Thomas Jefferson never had a phone bill, never had a credit card, never qualified for Social Security, never paid an energy tax, and the government has not one record of his fingerprints, voiceprint, or DNA. He left office and instead of America giving him a house, he gave America his house. I don't care how low taxes are. This fascist crap makes me sick. And I can't run to Canada because there is no Canada. Whatever this is, it most certainly is not the USA."
jessemckay 6 months ago
Dude how many posts have you posted jessemckay? Just asking.
jinwanc 1 year ago
@jinwanc
Thanks for asking.
After watching a 10-minute love letter from Rachel Maddow to ousted former Lieutenant Dan Choi, dozens of viewers chimed in, with comments that were generally (1) mini-affirmations or attacks utilitizing words like "rock" or "suck," (2) trite observations that betray a lack of understanding of the subject matter, (3) ad hominem attacks on other commenters, or (4) arguments that lapse into contradiction for want of sense.
jessemckay 1 year ago
Should I abandon the conversation here and now, believing that (1) nobody will read it or gain insight from it, or (2) it is stale and Congress has acted to repeal DADT anyway, or (3) the pretend consensus disagrees with my arguments, or (3) because I have already posted so much?
Dear Reader has been very kind, I will admit, considering that the "Courage Campaign" moniker posting the video is the opposition, and they are not well-known for tolerance in this matter.
jessemckay 1 year ago
I believe the opposition would like to paint with a broad brush here, suggest that all conservatives, all Christians, all heterosexual advocates are as small-minded as the Rev. Phelps who is probably waving a sign that says "GOD HATES FAGS" in front of the newly-constructed GI Bathhouse in Washington DC.
Well, we are not the same. We have values and principles and opinions and we should be heard, so for now I remain.
jessemckay 1 year ago
Visitors to this page have read my opinions - even though I am not a fan of Dan Choi, who in my estimation should be sitting in a jail cell right now ( ~process~ , remember? ) and similar "news" videos posted to YouTube are in fact fan pages and they will not accept my point of view.
Other YouTube sites are all too willing to accept my verbose opinion because - get this - YouTube, the content owner and the site owner have a business arrangement to make the site owner money from it.
jessemckay 1 year ago
EVEN SO, the site owner *personally* responded negatively to every single post I made, ranging from boos and hisses to catcalls. My sentiments here are the same as there: patient, full of fact, disciplined, polite, never ad hominem, unafraid of verse and humor.
If you read everything I write here, I guarantee that you will learn something new and useful. "Rachel rocks," or "Choi sucks," is third-grade invective and it's unworthy. It's a waste of your time. And this process has helped me.
jessemckay 1 year ago
What "rocks," in the final analysis? Understanding and expressing your point of view; building an argument from coherent points and calling your opponent on his missteps when appropriate; checking your emotion; drawing comparisons in culture, science and literature when it is helpful; holding leaders, opinionmakers, and the scientific community responsible for their actions; leading the fight; not going gentle into that good night.
jessemckay 1 year ago
In 1998 documents were released by Cornell University from the Nuremberg Trials [...] that revealed Nazi plans to eliminate Christianity entirely. The documents cover the Nuremberg trials of leading Nazis and demonstrate the deliberate genocide of Jews during the Holocaust, in which some six million Jews were killed.
jessemckay 1 year ago
" One senior member of the U.S. prosecution team, General William Donovan, as part of his work on documenting Nazi war crimes, compiled large amounts of documentation that the Nazis persecuted Christian Churches."
jessemckay 1 year ago
The die is cast, and today we are defeated.
Their "victory" is hardly a victory for anyone; it is an immensely short-sighted piece of social engineering forced upon us by a lame-duck Congress on a stealth weekend vote just before Christmas.
Everyone who is celebrating this act should shudder at the process error Congress committed to do it. This is not transparency; this is not change. Obama has become Herod Antipas, and he now delivers the head of John the Baptist on a plate.
jessemckay 1 year ago
1:29...DAMN. She was only a 2nd Lt! she JUST got in! That sucks!
Ruthlyn 1 year ago
Readers: Be on notice that the US Senate is considering a number of bills during the outgoing ("lame duck") session which have a far-better chance for passage now than predicted in the 112th Congress.
Among those is S.4023, a repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell," which unfortunately is not a repeal of the 1993 Clinton defense directive restricting the military from asking and appealing to gays not to tell, but which is functionally a delayed-action repeal of 10 USC 654 which codifies our views.
jessemckay 1 year ago
S.4023 establishes a pathway to deletion of the "findings" codified in 10 USC 654, once 60 days have passed and some papework has been worked; It posits the sense that it cannot be used as a defense of gay marriage, to confer benefits to gay partners, as a defense in ongoing trials, but of course we should expect all of these things.
Tail-lights, not headlights, are being used to illuminate the halls of Congress as Democrats will be packing and leaving in the House, and I am seeing red.